[LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness
Dictionary.com confirms gynocentric. But what does it have to do with lutes? Gynocentricism seems unikely in the period when lutes were popular. On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 7:24 PM, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: On Jul 2, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Monica Hall wrote: > If there is such a word it should be gynAEcentric. > > cf. gynaecology, gynaeceum etc > > Ms. Cusick knowledge of Greek is evidently somewhat lacking. Perhaps she was writing in English. To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness
I find lutes to be decidedly gynomorphic. RT - Original Message - From: "David Smith" To: "Lutelist" Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 8:38 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness Dictionary.com confirms gynocentric. But what does it have to do with lutes? Gynocentricism seems unikely in the period when lutes were popular. On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 7:24 PM, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: On Jul 2, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Monica Hall wrote: > If there is such a word it should be gynAEcentric. > > cf. gynaecology, gynaeceum etc > > Ms. Cusick knowledge of Greek is evidently somewhat lacking. Perhaps she was writing in English. To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness
Well, maybe not as gynomorphic as a French horn. RT From: "Ed Durbrow" In a pregnant state? I find guitars more of a feminine shape. On Jul 3, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: I find lutes to be decidedly gynomorphic. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness
- Original Message - From: "howard posner" To: "Lutelist" Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 12:24 AM Subject: [LUTE] Gynocentricityness On Jul 2, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Monica Hall wrote: If there is such a word it should be gynAEcentric. cf. gynaecology, gynaeceum etc Ms. Cusick knowledge of Greek is evidently somewhat lacking. Perhaps she was writing in English. Or American? Do you refer to Gynocology in the States? Monica To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness
GynEcology. British AE is generally American E. On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Monica Hall <[1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: - Original Message - From: "howard posner" <[2]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> To: "Lutelist" <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 12:24 AM Subject: [LUTE] Gynocentricityness On Jul 2, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Monica Hall wrote: If there is such a word it should be gynAEcentric. cf. gynaecology, gynaeceum etc Ms. Cusick knowledge of Greek is evidently somewhat lacking. Perhaps she was writing in English. Or American? Do you refer to Gynocology in the States? Monica To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 2. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness
On Jul 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, Monica Hall wrote: > Or American? Do you refer to Gynocology in the States? I rarely refer to gynecology, regardless of what state I'm in, and I would definitely avoid the word in Utah, especially on a Sunday. I sometimes refer to "my wife's OB guy." You might be interested to know that the The Random House Dictionary of the English Language, Unabridged Edition (1968) p. 632, defines "gyno-" as "a learned borrowing from Greek meaning 'female,' 'woman,' used in the formation of compound words [e.g.] gynophore." So it appears you're just insufficiently learned, just like the rest of us. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness
You might be interested to know that the The Random House Dictionary of the English Language, Unabridged Edition (1968) p. 632, defines "gyno-" as "a learned borrowing from Greek meaning 'female,' 'woman,' used in the formation of compound words [e.g.] gynophore." Which is American. I checked the Complete Oxford Dictionary on-line and all the sources it quotes seem to be American including the earliest usage. Well - we all know Americans spell things in a funny way.. So it appears you're just insufficiently learned, just like the rest of us. Maybe. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness
On Jul 3, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Monica Hall wrote: > Which is American. I checked the Complete Oxford Dictionary on-line and all > the sources it quotes seem to be American You seem to imply that if they're American, they don't count... > Well - we all know Americans spell things in a funny way.. Well, we often spell without regard to how spelling is done by residents of small islands in the Irish Sea. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness
Hi, Monica and all, It's gynEcology here. Or "GYN", pronounced "Gee-why-en". Best, Chris. On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Monica Hall <[1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: - Original Message - From: "howard posner" <[2]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> To: "Lutelist" <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 12:24 AM Subject: [LUTE] Gynocentricityness On Jul 2, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Monica Hall wrote: If there is such a word it should be gynAEcentric. cf. gynaecology, gynaeceum etc Ms. Cusick knowledge of Greek is evidently somewhat lacking. Perhaps she was writing in English. Or American? Do you refer to Gynocology in the States? Monica To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 2. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness
On Jul 3, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Karen Hore wrote: > In mild defence of the inhabitants of that collection of islands with toes in > the North and Irish Seas, the Atlantic Ocean, and that much quarrelled over > stretch of water La Manche/The English Channel. Their venerable > lexicographical institution, The Oxford English Dictionary (the Shorter > version, hardback, two hefty volumes, with notable extra functions such as > door stops and impertinent knuckle crushers) has both: > > 'gynaeco' and 'gyno' with the same meaning (in the sense of women). I refrained from mentioning the sources that call "gyne" or "gynae" corruptions of "gynaeco." Didn't want to seem like one of those hellenolinguamaniacs. > So, as is often the case, there's more than one way to get to the same > meaning. You just have to decide which one you can handle in terms of > spelling, take your pick. > > American or British spellings both count, as long as they are used > consistently (saves confusing people). Some American spelling predate the > Great Spelling Standardisation (my capitalisation) of the Nineteenth Century, > when many quite eccentric decisions were made, but we (of the UK persuasion) > often love them because they're quite bonkers - though it must be even more > hellish for non-native speakers/spellers than it is for some natives. > > This from one hailing from a very big island swanning about in a selection of > oceans and seas. And how are things in Greenland? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness
That makes sense - presumably you don't like dipthongs in the States. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]Christopher Stetson To: [2]Monica Hall Cc: [3]Lutelist Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness Hi, Monica and all, It's gynEcology here. Or "GYN", pronounced "Gee-why-en". Best, Chris. On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Monica Hall <[4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: - Original Message - From: "howard posner" <[5]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> To: "Lutelist" <[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 12:24 AM Subject: [LUTE] Gynocentricityness On Jul 2, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Monica Hall wrote: If there is such a word it should be gynAEcentric. cf. gynaecology, gynaeceum etc Ms. Cusick knowledge of Greek is evidently somewhat lacking. Perhaps she was writing in English. Or American? Do you refer to Gynocology in the States? Monica To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 5. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness
> -Original Message- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of Monica Hall > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 11:14 AM > To: howard posner > Cc: Lutelist > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness > > > You might be interested to know that the The Random House Dictionary of > > the English Language, Unabridged Edition (1968) p. 632, defines "gyno-" > as > > "a learned borrowing from Greek meaning 'female,' 'woman,' used in the > > formation of compound words [e.g.] gynophore." > > Which is American. I checked the Complete Oxford Dictionary on-line and > all the sources it quotes seem to be American including the earliest > usage. > Well - we all know Americans spell things in a funny way.. > > So it appears you're just insufficiently learned, just like the rest of > us. > > Maybe. > > Monica Me too, but at least I'm easily humored (or is that humoured?). Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness
Erm, did somebody mention already that gyne in Greek is neither a-declension nor o-declension? It's gyné, gynaikós, gynaikí, gynaika, and in compounds it's gynaiko- like in gynecologist, gynecology, gynecological, and gynecotropism. Gynoecium (generic term for all kinds of sporophyll) is derived from Latin gynaeceum, which is derived from Greek gynaikeion. >From a graecist's perspective, gynocentrism is a wrongly built word and should be replaced by gynecocentrism. The latter is the case at least in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynecocentrism#Terminology My two cents. Mathias > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im > Auftrag von Eugene C. Braig IV > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011 18:28 > An: 'Monica Hall'; 'howard posner' > Cc: 'Lutelist' > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness > > > -Original Message- > > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > > Behalf Of Monica Hall > > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 11:14 AM > > To: howard posner > > Cc: Lutelist > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness > > > > > You might be interested to know that the The Random House Dictionary > > > of the English Language, Unabridged Edition (1968) p. 632, defines "gyno-" > > as > > > "a learned borrowing from Greek meaning 'female,' 'woman,' used in > > > the formation of compound words [e.g.] gynophore." > > > > Which is American. I checked the Complete Oxford Dictionary on-line and > > all the sources it quotes seem to be American including the earliest > > usage. > > Well - we all know Americans spell things in a funny way.. > > > > So it appears you're just insufficiently learned, just like the rest > > of us. > > > > Maybe. > > > > Monica > > > Me too, but at least I'm easily humored (or is that humoured?). > > Eugene > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness
- Original Message - From: "Mathias Roesel" To: "'Lutelist'" Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 6:25 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness Erm, did somebody mention already that gyne in Greek is neither a-declension nor o-declension? It's gyné, gynaikós, gynaikí, gynaika, and in compounds it's gynaiko- like in gynecologist, gynecology, gynecological, and gynecotropism. Gynoecium (generic term for all kinds of sporophyll) is derived from Latin gynaeceum, which is derived from Greek gynaikeion. From a graecist's perspective, gynocentrism is a wrongly built word and should be replaced by gynecocentrism. The latter is the case at least in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynecocentrism#Terminology My two cents. Mathias Thanks for that. It seems I was half right. MOnica -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Eugene C. Braig IV Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011 18:28 An: 'Monica Hall'; 'howard posner' Cc: 'Lutelist' Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness > -Original Message- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of Monica Hall > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 11:14 AM > To: howard posner > Cc: Lutelist > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness > > > You might be interested to know that the The Random House Dictionary > > of the English Language, Unabridged Edition (1968) p. 632, defines "gyno-" > as > > "a learned borrowing from Greek meaning 'female,' 'woman,' used in > > the formation of compound words [e.g.] gynophore." > > Which is American. I checked the Complete Oxford Dictionary on-line and > all the sources it quotes seem to be American including the earliest > usage. > Well - we all know Americans spell things in a funny way.. > > So it appears you're just insufficiently learned, just like the rest > of us. > > Maybe. > > Monica Me too, but at least I'm easily humored (or is that humoured?). Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
