[LUTE] Re: Hippolyte et Aricie
Try 'Hippolyte et Aricie' by Bernier (1664 - 1734). I don't have a score but the date and country seem abour right I also recall one of Cavalli's operas has the character but can't remember which! Martyn --- On Mon, 30/3/09, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Hippolyte et Aricie To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 30 March, 2009, 5:01 PM Does anyone know if there is/was an earlier version of Hippolyte et Aricie i.e. before Rameau's opera with this title? Either as an opera or ballet? The large French ms. of baroque guitar music F:PnMs.Res.F844 includes a piece on p.263 with the title Entree dAricie. Curiously this seems to be the same as the piece in the Princess Anne book with the title Doritye. It can't be by Rameau because the manuscript is earlier. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Hippolyte et Aricie
Many thanks - that is another possibility. I wonder whether the score is even available. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: [2]Lutelist ; [3]Monica Hall Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Hippolyte et Aricie Try 'Hippolyte et Aricie' by Bernier (1664 - 1734). I don't have a score but the date and country seem abour right I also recall one of Cavalli's operas has the character but can't remember which! Martyn --- On Mon, 30/3/09, Monica Hall [4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall [5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Hippolyte et Aricie To: Lutelist [6]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 30 March, 2009, 5:01 PM Does anyone know if there is/was an earlier version of Hippolyte et Aricie i.e. before Rameau's opera with this title? Either as an opera or ballet? The large French ms. of baroque guitar music F:PnMs.Res.F844 includes a piece on p.263 with the title Entree dAricie. Curiously this seems to be the same as the piece in the Princess Anne book with the title Doritye. It can't be by Rameau because the manuscript is earlier. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 4. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 5. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Hippolyte et Aricie
Dunno about that, but I see there's a CD with Bernier Canatas, one 'Hippolyte et Aricie' for sop, violin, basso which may, or may not, be a praphrase from the opera MH --- On Tue, 31/3/09, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Re: Hippolyte et Aricie To: hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009, 12:44 PM Many thanks - that is another possibility. I wonder whether the score is even available. Monica - Original Message - From: [1][1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: [2]Lutelist ; [3]Monica Hall Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Hippolyte et Aricie Try 'Hippolyte et Aricie' by Bernier (1664 - 1734). I don't have a score but the date and country seem abour right I also recall one of Cavalli's operas has the character but can't remember which! Martyn --- On Mon, 30/3/09, Monica Hall [4][2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall [5][3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Hippolyte et Aricie To: Lutelist [6][4]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 30 March, 2009, 5:01 PM Does anyone know if there is/was an earlier version of Hippolyte et Aricie i.e. before Rameau's opera with this title? Either as an opera or ballet? The large French ms. of baroque guitar music F:PnMs.Res.F844 includes a piece on p.263 with the title Entree dAricie. Curiously this seems to be the same as the piece in the Princess Anne book with the title Doritye. It can't be by Rameau because the manuscript is earlier. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[6]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:[7]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:[8]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 4. mailto:[9]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 5. mailto:[10]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 6. mailto:[11]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 4. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 7. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 9. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 10. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 11. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Hippolyte et Aricie
Monica, You'll find a complete desription of the book which contains the Hipolyte et Aricie cantata by Bernier at the following address : http://philidor.cmbv.fr/jlbweb/jlbWeb?html=cmbv/noticeref_direct=5668ancre=A0_2base=weboeu It comes from the Centre de Musique Baroque de Versailles and you will find the exact shelf number for the copy in th Bibliothèque Nationale. Photocopies or microfilms or cd roms can be ordered online from the latter. Best, Jean-Marie == En réponse au message du 2009-03-31, 13:45:33 == Many thanks - that is another possibility. I wonder whether the score is even available. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: [2]Lutelist ; [3]Monica Hall Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Hippolyte et Aricie Try 'Hippolyte et Aricie' by Bernier (1664 - 1734). I don't have a score but the date and country seem abour right I also recall one of Cavalli's operas has the character but can't remember which! Martyn --- On Mon, 30/3/09, Monica Hall [4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall [5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Hippolyte et Aricie To: Lutelist [6]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 30 March, 2009, 5:01 PM Does anyone know if there is/was an earlier version of Hippolyte et Aricie i.e. before Rameau's opera with this title? Either as an opera or ballet? The large French ms. of baroque guitar music F:PnMs.Res.F844 includes a piece on p.263 with the title Entree dAricie. Curiously this seems to be the same as the piece in the Princess Anne book with the title Doritye. It can't be by Rameau because the manuscript is earlier. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 4. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 5. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr http://poirierjm.free.fr N ¶è®ß¶¬+-±ç¥Ëbú+«b¢vÛiÿü0ÁË j»f¢ëayÛ¿Á·?ë^iÙ¢ø§uìa¶i
[LUTE] Re: Hippolyte et Aricie
..funny, I was reading about Rameau's HA only a couple of weeks ago... BTW, I found and bought (not cheap, but worth the money) a wonderful DICTIONNAIRE DE LA MUSIQUE EN FRANCE AUX XVIIe ET XVIIIe SIÈCLES, Ed. M. Benoit (Fayard, 1992). 800+ pages full of information. Manolo El 31/03/2009, a las 10:04, hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk escribió: Try 'Hippolyte et Aricie' by Bernier (1664 - 1734). I don't have a score but the date and country seem abour right I also recall one of Cavalli's operas has the character but can't remember which! Martyn --- On Mon, 30/3/09, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Hippolyte et Aricie To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 30 March, 2009, 5:01 PM Does anyone know if there is/was an earlier version of Hippolyte et Aricie i.e. before Rameau's opera with this title? Either as an opera or ballet? The large French ms. of baroque guitar music F:PnMs.Res.F844 includes a piece on p.263 with the title Entree dAricie. Curiously this seems to be the same as the piece in the Princess Anne book with the title Doritye. It can't be by Rameau because the manuscript is earlier. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Hippolyte et Aricie
It seems there's a bug with the link I gave before. Try this one : http://philidor.cmbv.fr/catalogue/recueil-bernier-1#A0_2 and click on the icon on the right of this line (3rd line from the top) NsB.recueil.06 - CANTATES FRANÇAISES, III. Then you'll have the complete notice about this 3rd book of cantatas by Bernier. Best wishes, Jean-Marie == En réponse au message du 2009-03-31, 16:05:02 == Monica, You'll find a complete desription of the book which contains the Hipolyte et Aricie cantata by Bernier at the following address : http://philidor.cmbv.fr/jlbweb/jlbWeb?html=cmbv/noticeref_direct=5668ancre=A0_2base=weboeu It comes from the Centre de Musique Baroque de Versailles and you will find the exact shelf number for the copy in th Bibliothèque Nationale. Photocopies or microfilms or cd roms can be ordered online from the latter. Best, Jean-Marie == En réponse au message du 2009-03-31, 13:45:33 == Many thanks - that is another possibility. I wonder whether the score is even available. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: [2]Lutelist ; [3]Monica Hall Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Hippolyte et Aricie Try 'Hippolyte et Aricie' by Bernier (1664 - 1734). I don't have a score but the date and country seem abour right I also recall one of Cavalli's operas has the character but can't remember which! Martyn --- On Mon, 30/3/09, Monica Hall [4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall [5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Hippolyte et Aricie To: Lutelist [6]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 30 March, 2009, 5:01 PM Does anyone know if there is/was an earlier version of Hippolyte et Aricie i.e. before Rameau's opera with this title? Either as an opera or ballet? The large French ms. of baroque guitar music F:PnMs.Res.F844 includes a piece on p.263 with the title Entree dAricie. Curiously this seems to be the same as the piece in the Princess Anne book with the title Doritye. It can't be by Rameau because the manuscript is earlier. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 4. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 5. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr http://poirierjm.free.fr N ¶è®ß¶¬+-±ç¥Ëbú+«b¢vÛiÿü0ÁË j»f¢ëayÛ¿Á·?ë^iÙ¢ø§uìa¶i@ jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr http://poirierjm.free.fr N ¶è®ß¶¬+-±ç¥Ëbú+«b¢vÛiÿü0ÁË j»f¢ëayÛ¿Á·?ë^iÙ¢ø§uìa¶i
[LUTE] Re: Hippolyte et Aricie
Many thanks for all the references. I have a lot of checking to do now. Monica - Original Message - From: Jean-Marie Poirier jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr To: Lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:24 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Hippolyte et Aricie It seems there's a bug with the link I gave before. Try this one : http://philidor.cmbv.fr/catalogue/recueil-bernier-1#A0_2 and click on the icon on the right of this line (3rd line from the top) NsB.recueil.06 - CANTATES FRANÇAISES, III. Then you'll have the complete notice about this 3rd book of cantatas by Bernier. Best wishes, Jean-Marie == En réponse au message du 2009-03-31, 16:05:02 == Monica, You'll find a complete desription of the book which contains the Hipolyte et Aricie cantata by Bernier at the following address : http://philidor.cmbv.fr/jlbweb/jlbWeb?html=cmbv/noticeref_direct=5668ancre=A0_2base=weboeu It comes from the Centre de Musique Baroque de Versailles and you will find the exact shelf number for the copy in th Bibliothèque Nationale. Photocopies or microfilms or cd roms can be ordered online from the latter. Best, Jean-Marie == En réponse au message du 2009-03-31, 13:45:33 == Many thanks - that is another possibility. I wonder whether the score is even available. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: [2]Lutelist ; [3]Monica Hall Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Hippolyte et Aricie Try 'Hippolyte et Aricie' by Bernier (1664 - 1734). I don't have a score but the date and country seem abour right I also recall one of Cavalli's operas has the character but can't remember which! Martyn --- On Mon, 30/3/09, Monica Hall [4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall [5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Hippolyte et Aricie To: Lutelist [6]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 30 March, 2009, 5:01 PM Does anyone know if there is/was an earlier version of Hippolyte et Aricie i.e. before Rameau's opera with this title? Either as an opera or ballet? The large French ms. of baroque guitar music F:PnMs.Res.F844 includes a piece on p.263 with the title Entree dAricie. Curiously this seems to be the same as the piece in the Princess Anne book with the title Doritye. It can't be by Rameau because the manuscript is earlier. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 4. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 5. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr http://poirierjm.free.fr N^ ¶?è®?߶¬-+-±ç¥SËbú+T«b¢v?Ûiÿü0ÁË j»f¢ëayÛ¿Á·?-ë^iÙ¢Yø§uìa¶i@ jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr http://poirierjm.free.fr N^ ¶?è®?߶¬-+-±ç¥SËbú+T«b¢v?Ûiÿü0ÁË j»f¢ëayÛ¿Á·?-ë^iÙ¢Yø§uìa
[LUTE] Re: Hippolyte et Aricie
On Mar 30, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Monica Hall wrote: Does anyone know if there is/was an earlier version of Hippolyte et Aricie i.e. before Rameau's opera with this title? Either as an opera or ballet? The large French ms. of baroque guitar music F:PnMs.Res.F844 includes a piece on p.263 with the title Entree dAricie. Aricia might make an entrance in an opera with another title, such as Phaedra or Theseus -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Hippolyte et Aricie
Thanks - Howard. So it could be Lully's Theseus. Must check that. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]howard posner To: [2]Monica Hall Cc: [3]Lutelist Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 5:33 PM Subject: Re: Hippolyte et Aricie On Mar 30, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Monica Hall wrote: Does anyone know if there is/was an earlier version of Hippolyte et Aricie i.e. before Rameau's opera with this title? Either as an opera or ballet? The large French ms. of baroque guitar music F:PnMs.Res.F844 includes a piece on p.263 with the title Entree dAricie. Aricia might make an entrance in an opera with another title, such as Phaedra or Theseus -- References 1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
