[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-22 Thread Peter Martin
   De minimis non curat lex .. surely the case here.

   P
   On 21 October 2010 12:30, Guitar & Lute
   <[1]guitarandl...@earthlink.net> wrote:

 Hi Tom,
 Just to help you out here since apparantly you have your idea of
 what
 copyright law is, here is a link and a quote from the US copyright
 office.
 "What is copyright infringement?
 As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a
 copyrighted
 work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or
 made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright
 owner."
 See it yourself,
 [2]http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-definitions.html
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[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-22 Thread tom
> For the record, the money is that ASCAP and the other agencies 
> collects is also for airplay on the radio, and they both have 
> different ways of the checking what is being played.  
> The money is then distributed to the composers of the music, minus
> operating fees of course. If you are a composer and register, you
> receive money for your work
> Allan
  Yes.  IF you are on a major label.  If you're not, the onus is on you to 
prove 
somehow that your music is being played somewhere.  All of my material is 
licensed through BMI, but since 1994 I have never seen a cent in royalries.
Plus, I don't think the money restaurants pay covers airplay on radio or 
television.  Those media pay their own share of fees and must turn in lists 
periodically so that statisticians can determine how much "Bridge Over 
Troubled Water" should get this year.  At least, that's the way it was when I 
worked in commercial radio.
  Tom
> > Thanks Ron.
> >   For the record:
> >  In the US:  ASCAP, BMI, etc. have managed to get laws passed that
> >  require any restaurant, 
> > pub / bar, theatre, public building, etc. ad nauseum, that plays any
> > kind of music whatsoever in it's building(s), to pay them an annual
> > fee for the privilege of playing said music.  Businesses cannot
> > operate (legally) without paying these fees.  These fees are
> > hundreds of dollars per year per business, multiplied by how many
> > restaurants, etc. in the US??  This supposedly covers the singing of
> > Happy Birthday at a party, the playing of "1001 Strings" doing "In
> > My Life", etc., etc.
> >   It's a racket (or is that "raquet"?).
> >   So - when you sing "Hey Jude" or "Why Don't We Do It In The Road?"
> >   in the mens' room, 
> > it's covered ... at least in the US.  
> >   No worries ; 0)  
> > Tom
> > > IMHO A lute-tablature transcription will not convince a judge that
> > > it is a copy of modern printed sheet-music.  He will compare the
> > > two and say, 'It looks nothing like it'. Case dismissed.
> > > 
> > > How will a public performance be judged in court against a
> > > copyrighted song? Will the judge listen to the lute-player and the
> > > infringed recording in court?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Simply whistling tunes whilst walking down the street will
> > > infringe copyrights.  - Mind you, I have heard some whistlers that
> > > want locking up!
> > > 
> > > IMHO Copyrighted music should ONLY require the owner's approval
> > > when a recording is made to be marketed, not before. Public
> > > performance alone will not count.  This would remove all the
> > > stupid bureaucracy.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Best Wishes
> > > Ron UK
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
> > > On Behalf Of Guitar & Lute Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:30
> > > PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: In My Life
> > > Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?
> > > 
> > > Hi Tom, 
> > > 
> > > Just to help you out here since apparantly you have your idea of
> > > what copyright law is, here is a link and a quote from the US
> > > copyright office.  
> > > 
> > > "What is copyright infringement?
> > > 
> > > As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a
> > > copyrighted work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly
> > > displayed, or made into a derivative work without the permission
> > > of the copyright owner."
> > > 
> > > See it yourself, 
> > > 
> > > http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-definitions.html
> > > 
> > > Allan
> > > 
> > > www.guitarandlute.com
> > > www.mandolinandguitar.com
> > > www.fluteandguitar.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > To get on or off this list see list information at
> > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Tom Draughon
> > Heartistry Music
> > http://www.heartistry.com/artists/tom.html
> > 714  9th Avenue West
> > Ashland, WI  54806
> > 715-682-9362
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> www.guitarandlute.com
> www.mandolinandguitar.com
> www.fluteandguitar.com
> 
> 


Tom Draughon
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714  9th Avenue West
Ashland, WI  54806
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[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-22 Thread Guitar & Lute
For the record, the money is that ASCAP and the other agencies 
collects is also for airplay on the radio, and they both have 
different ways of the checking what is being played.  

The money is then distributed to the composers of the music, minus 
operating fees of course. If you are a composer and register, you 
receive money for your work

Allan

> Thanks Ron.
>   For the record:
>  In the US:  ASCAP, BMI, etc. have managed to get laws passed that require 
> any restaurant, 
> pub / bar, theatre, public building, etc. ad nauseum, that plays any kind of 
> music whatsoever 
> in it's building(s), to pay them an annual fee for the privilege of playing 
> said music.  
> Businesses cannot operate (legally) without paying these fees.  These fees 
> are hundreds of 
> dollars per year per business, multiplied by how many restaurants, etc. in 
> the US??  This 
> supposedly covers the singing of Happy Birthday at a party, the playing of 
> "1001 Strings" 
> doing "In My Life", etc., etc.
>   It's a racket (or is that "raquet"?).
>   So - when you sing "Hey Jude" or "Why Don't We Do It In The Road?" in the 
> mens' room, 
> it's covered ... at least in the US.  
>   No worries ; 0)  
> Tom
> > IMHO A lute-tablature transcription will not convince a judge that it
> > is a copy of modern printed sheet-music.  He will compare the two and
> > say, 'It looks nothing like it'. Case dismissed.
> > 
> > How will a public performance be judged in court against a copyrighted
> > song? Will the judge listen to the lute-player and the infringed
> > recording in court?
> > 
> > 
> > Simply whistling tunes whilst walking down the street will infringe
> > copyrights.  - Mind you, I have heard some whistlers that want locking
> > up!
> > 
> > IMHO Copyrighted music should ONLY require the owner's approval when a
> > recording is made to be marketed, not before. Public performance alone
> > will not count.  This would remove all the stupid bureaucracy.
> > 
> > 
> > Best Wishes
> > Ron UK
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
> > Behalf Of Guitar & Lute Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:30 PM To:
> > lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue
> > What is Copyright Infringement?
> > 
> > Hi Tom, 
> > 
> > Just to help you out here since apparantly you have your idea of what
> > copyright law is, here is a link and a quote from the US copyright
> > office.  
> > 
> > "What is copyright infringement?
> > 
> > As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted
> > work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or
> > made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright
> > owner."
> > 
> > See it yourself, 
> > 
> > http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-definitions.html
> > 
> > Allan
> > 
> > www.guitarandlute.com
> > www.mandolinandguitar.com
> > www.fluteandguitar.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To get on or off this list see list information at
> > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Tom Draughon
> Heartistry Music
> http://www.heartistry.com/artists/tom.html
> 714  9th Avenue West
> Ashland, WI  54806
> 715-682-9362
> 
> 



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[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-21 Thread tom
Thanks Ron.
  For the record:
 In the US:  ASCAP, BMI, etc. have managed to get laws passed that require any 
restaurant, 
pub / bar, theatre, public building, etc. ad nauseum, that plays any kind of 
music whatsoever 
in it's building(s), to pay them an annual fee for the privilege of playing 
said music.  
Businesses cannot operate (legally) without paying these fees.  These fees are 
hundreds of 
dollars per year per business, multiplied by how many restaurants, etc. in the 
US??  This 
supposedly covers the singing of Happy Birthday at a party, the playing of 
"1001 Strings" 
doing "In My Life", etc., etc.
  It's a racket (or is that "raquet"?).
  So - when you sing "Hey Jude" or "Why Don't We Do It In The Road?" in the 
mens' room, 
it's covered ... at least in the US.  
  No worries ; 0)  
Tom
> IMHO A lute-tablature transcription will not convince a judge that it
> is a copy of modern printed sheet-music.  He will compare the two and
> say, 'It looks nothing like it'. Case dismissed.
> 
> How will a public performance be judged in court against a copyrighted
> song? Will the judge listen to the lute-player and the infringed
> recording in court?
> 
> 
> Simply whistling tunes whilst walking down the street will infringe
> copyrights.  - Mind you, I have heard some whistlers that want locking
> up!
> 
> IMHO Copyrighted music should ONLY require the owner's approval when a
> recording is made to be marketed, not before. Public performance alone
> will not count.  This would remove all the stupid bureaucracy.
> 
> 
> Best Wishes
> Ron UK
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
> Behalf Of Guitar & Lute Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:30 PM To:
> lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue
> What is Copyright Infringement?
> 
> Hi Tom, 
> 
> Just to help you out here since apparantly you have your idea of what
> copyright law is, here is a link and a quote from the US copyright
> office.  
> 
> "What is copyright infringement?
> 
> As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted
> work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or
> made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright
> owner."
> 
> See it yourself, 
> 
> http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-definitions.html
> 
> Allan
> 
> www.guitarandlute.com
> www.mandolinandguitar.com
> www.fluteandguitar.com
> 
> 
> 
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 
> 


Tom Draughon
Heartistry Music
http://www.heartistry.com/artists/tom.html
714  9th Avenue West
Ashland, WI  54806
715-682-9362




[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-21 Thread Ron Fletcher
IMHO A lute-tablature transcription will not convince a judge that it is a
copy of modern printed sheet-music.  He will compare the two and say, 'It
looks nothing like it'. Case dismissed.

How will a public performance be judged in court against a copyrighted song?
Will the judge listen to the lute-player and the infringed recording in
court?


Simply whistling tunes whilst walking down the street will infringe
copyrights.  - Mind you, I have heard some whistlers that want locking up!

IMHO Copyrighted music should ONLY require the owner's approval when a
recording is made to be marketed, not before. Public performance alone will
not count.  This would remove all the stupid bureaucracy.


Best Wishes
Ron UK

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of Guitar & Lute
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:30 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright
Infringement?

Hi Tom, 

Just to help you out here since apparantly you have your idea of what 
copyright law is, here is a link and a quote from the US copyright 
office.  

"What is copyright infringement?

As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted 
work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or 
made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright 
owner."

See it yourself, 

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-definitions.html

Allan

www.guitarandlute.com
www.mandolinandguitar.com
www.fluteandguitar.com



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[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-21 Thread Ed Durbrow
   On Oct 21, 2010, at 9:41 PM, R. Mattes wrote:

 Oh, c'mme on! That `humble rocker' got a shxxtload of money for
 selling those copyrights.

   You don't know that. I have a book somewhere detailing how a lot of
   songwriters/groups were robbed. Not more than 30 minutes ago I heard in
   a documentary about the Beatles that their share of something (was it
   the movie Hard Days Night or a number one record?, I've already
   forgotten, but the point was made) was 800 pounds each. They were
   appalled when they found out how much more money the Stones were
   making. Probably had a lot to do with their split. Don't want to take
   the thread off on a tangent, but the rich-rocker image is greatly
   overrated. So many of those famous groups didn't make diddly squat
   until the 3rd or 4th album when they had some bargaining clout.

   The good news is, I don't think you have to worry about most of the
   lute repertoire.
   Ed Durbrow
   Saitama, Japan
   [1]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
   [2]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/

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[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-21 Thread Thomas Schall

Take a look at the examples: http://www.copyright.ch/?sub_id=72&leng=0

Cheers
Thomas

Am 21.10.2010 14:49, schrieb R. Mattes:

On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:31:17 +0200, Thomas Schall wrote

I guess this would count as performance and clearly is an
infringement of copyright law. IMHO copyright (in the US) has very
good intensions but it's a law that is hard to follow and is
contradictional to common sense and habits. I'm lucky not to live in
the US but in switzerland with a more liberal
(and practical) understanding of copyright. An arrangement as Tom
did would count as "fair use"
(http://www.copyright.ch/?sub_id=47&leng=0),

Even that's debatable. "Fair use" (which is not the term used in the
swiss law) only applies to works you got from the copyright holder. So
I you buy an edition/recording from the copyright holder you can
create "fair use"-copies. You already paid for that use, so to speak.

Cheers, RalfD







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[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-21 Thread R. Mattes
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:31:17 +0200, Thomas Schall wrote
> I guess this would count as performance and clearly is an 
> infringement of copyright law. IMHO copyright (in the US) has very 
> good intensions but it's a law that is hard to follow and is 
> contradictional to common sense and habits. I'm lucky not to live in 
> the US but in switzerland with a more liberal 
> (and practical) understanding of copyright. An arrangement as Tom 
> did would count as "fair use" 
> (http://www.copyright.ch/?sub_id=47&leng=0), 

Even that's debatable. "Fair use" (which is not the term used in the
swiss law) only applies to works you got from the copyright holder. So
I you buy an edition/recording from the copyright holder you can
create "fair use"-copies. You already paid for that use, so to speak.

Cheers, RalfD
 



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[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-21 Thread Thomas Schall

*LOL*
Sending messages to ASCAP and Time Warner each time you hear someone 
singing "Happy Birthday" surely will be a good way to show your respect 
for the copyright.


I have dealt with GEMA before - I organized a recital for a visiting 
american lute player. Although not one single protected work has been 
performed GEMA asked for more than 300 bucks. (actually illegal IMO but 
the process risk has been to high. Getting your right is something you 
have been able to affort) Income has been less than 100 bucks. Needless 
to say that I never arranged a recital by myself again.


Thomas

Am 21.10.2010 13:55, schrieb R. Mattes:

On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:41:51 +0200, wolfgang wiehe wrote

whatŽs about singing this song on a public place (toilette)?
is this copyright infringement?
;-)

Oh, so funny! Not.
Yes, unless you do it for yourself alone. Yes, IMHO copyright law is in
utterly insane. Have a look at

  http://www.unhappybirthday.com/

or the wikipedia article about that song. But the sad fact is: peolpe had
to pay after performing this song in public.
BTW, it's not Yoko collecting the fees, it's most likely some copyright fee
collection agency like the ascap or GEMA for you in Germany.
If you ever had an encounter with GEMA's collecting department you know what
to expect.

  Cheers, Ralf Mattes


 Original-Nachricht 

Datum: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:36:46 +0200
Von: "anthony.chalkley"
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?
Shouldn't worry too much Tom. Yoko didn't even know Lennon would have been
70 this year - can't imagine she knows any of the songs she didn't howl
on


- Original Message -
From: "Guitar&  Lute"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:27 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright
Infringement?



Hi Tom,

Just to help you out here since apparantly you have your idea of what
copyright law is, here is a link and a quote from the US copyright
office.

"What is copyright infringement?

As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted
work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or
made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright
owner."

See it yourself,

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-definitions.html

Allan



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[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-21 Thread R. Mattes
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:22:17 -0400, Mayes, Joseph wrote
> What occurs to me in all of this is just how far from the spirit of 
> the law, the letter of the law has gone.

Yes, but unfortunately we have to live with that. 

> The Humble rockers who 
> wrote the beautiful song are way out of it - We're now talking about 
> the enrichment of suits and bean-counters.


Oh, c'mme on! That `humble rocker' got a shxxtload of money for
selling those copyrights. And IIRC I an TV interview some close friend
of John Lennon claimed that he was actually rather keen of being
wealthy - I think "shopping maniac" was the term he used :-)
  
> There seems to be a 
> misalignment of the universe when the guy delivering the ink 
> cartridge to write the contract makes more than the composer.

So, us Robin Hoods of modern times commit copyright infringement to
take revenge for those horrible crimes: take from the rich (media
industry), give to the poor (composer/performer). Wait, we don't do
the second, somehow the booty stays with us.


 Cheers,  RalfD

> There should be a way to protect the rights of artists - not middle-men.
> 



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[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-21 Thread Thomas Schall
I guess this would count as performance and clearly is an infringement 
of copyright law.
IMHO copyright (in the US) has very good intensions but it's a law that 
is hard to follow and is contradictional to common sense and habits.
I'm lucky not to live in the US but in switzerland with a more liberal 
(and practical) understanding of copyright. An arrangement as Tom did 
would count as "fair use" (http://www.copyright.ch/?sub_id=47&leng=0), 
offering it on his webpage would be an infringement of the copyright 
(http://www.copyright.ch/?sub_id=72&leng=0) while offering it using a 
password protected service like myDrive.ch with a limited number of 
users would be legal.


I think the latter would be illegal in the US. As well as the 
"performance" Wolfgang mentions.


Thomas

Am 21.10.2010 13:41, schrieb wolfgang wiehe:

what´s about singing this song on a public place (toilette)?
is this copyright infringement?
;-)
w

 Original-Nachricht 

Datum: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:36:46 +0200
Von: "anthony.chalkley"
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?
Shouldn't worry too much Tom. Yoko didn't even know Lennon would have been
70 this year - can't imagine she knows any of the songs she didn't howl
on


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From: "Guitar&  Lute"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:27 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright
Infringement?



Hi Tom,

Just to help you out here since apparantly you have your idea of what
copyright law is, here is a link and a quote from the US copyright
office.

"What is copyright infringement?

As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted
work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or
made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright
owner."

See it yourself,

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-definitions.html

Allan



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[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-21 Thread Mayes, Joseph
What occurs to me in all of this is just how far from the spirit of the law,
the letter of the law has gone. The Humble rockers who wrote the beautiful
song are way out of it - We're now talking about the enrichment of suits and
bean-counters. There seems to be a misalignment of the universe when the guy
delivering the ink cartridge to write the contract makes more than the
composer.
There should be a way to protect the rights of artists - not middle-men.

Joseph Mayes


On 10/21/10 8:12 AM, "alexander"  wrote:

> Lute players clearly are not aware of the surrounding world...
> 
> http://www.dailytech.com/British+Copyright+Org+Threatens+Singing+Store+Employe
> e+Then+Apologizes/article16592.htm
> 
> 
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:41:51 +0200
> "wolfgang wiehe"  wrote:
> 
>> what´s about singing this song on a public place (toilette)?
>> is this copyright infringement?
>> ;-)
>> w
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-21 Thread alexander
Lute players clearly are not aware of the surrounding world...

http://www.dailytech.com/British+Copyright+Org+Threatens+Singing+Store+Employee+Then+Apologizes/article16592.htm


On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:41:51 +0200
"wolfgang wiehe"  wrote:

> what´s about singing this song on a public place (toilette)?
> is this copyright infringement?
> ;-)
> w



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[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-21 Thread R. Mattes
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:41:51 +0200, wolfgang wiehe wrote
> what´s about singing this song on a public place (toilette)?
> is this copyright infringement?
> ;-)

Oh, so funny! Not. 
Yes, unless you do it for yourself alone. Yes, IMHO copyright law is in
utterly insane. Have a look at 
 
 http://www.unhappybirthday.com/

or the wikipedia article about that song. But the sad fact is: peolpe had
to pay after performing this song in public.
BTW, it's not Yoko collecting the fees, it's most likely some copyright fee
collection agency like the ascap or GEMA for you in Germany.
If you ever had an encounter with GEMA's collecting department you know what
to expect.

 Cheers, Ralf Mattes

> 
>  Original-Nachricht 
> > Datum: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:36:46 +0200
> > Von: "anthony.chalkley" 
> > An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright 
> > Infringement?
> 
> > Shouldn't worry too much Tom. Yoko didn't even know Lennon would have been
> > 70 this year - can't imagine she knows any of the songs she didn't howl 
> > on
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Guitar & Lute" 
> > To: 
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:27 PM
> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright 
> > Infringement?
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > Hi Tom,
> > >
> > > Just to help you out here since apparantly you have your idea of what
> > > copyright law is, here is a link and a quote from the US copyright
> > > office.
> > >
> > > "What is copyright infringement?
> > >
> > > As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted
> > > work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or
> > > made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright
> > > owner."
> > >
> > > See it yourself,
> > >
> > > http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-definitions.html
> > >
> > > Allan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To get on or off this list see list information at
> > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >


--
R. Mattes -- Systemeinheitsstreichler
Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg
r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de




[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-21 Thread wolfgang wiehe
what´s about singing this song on a public place (toilette)?
is this copyright infringement?
;-)
w

 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:36:46 +0200
> Von: "anthony.chalkley" 
> An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

> Shouldn't worry too much Tom. Yoko didn't even know Lennon would have been
> 70 this year - can't imagine she knows any of the songs she didn't howl 
> on
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Guitar & Lute" 
> To: 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:27 PM
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright 
> Infringement?
> 
> 
> >
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > Just to help you out here since apparantly you have your idea of what
> > copyright law is, here is a link and a quote from the US copyright
> > office.
> >
> > "What is copyright infringement?
> >
> > As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted
> > work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or
> > made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright
> > owner."
> >
> > See it yourself,
> >
> > http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-definitions.html
> >
> > Allan
> >
> >
> >
> > To get on or off this list see list information at
> > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 




[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-21 Thread anthony.chalkley
Shouldn't worry too much Tom. Yoko didn't even know Lennon would have been 
70 this year - can't imagine she knows any of the songs she didn't howl 
on



- Original Message - 
From: "Guitar & Lute" 

To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:27 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright 
Infringement?





Hi Tom,

Just to help you out here since apparantly you have your idea of what
copyright law is, here is a link and a quote from the US copyright
office.

"What is copyright infringement?

As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted
work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or
made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright
owner."

See it yourself,

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-definitions.html

Allan



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[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-21 Thread Guitar & Lute
Hi Tom, 

Just to help you out here since apparantly you have your idea of what 
copyright law is, here is a link and a quote from the US copyright 
office. 

"What is copyright infringement?

As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted 
work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or 
made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright 
owner."

See it yourself, 

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-definitions.html

Allan



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[LUTE] Re: In My Life Copyright Issue What is Copyright Infringement?

2010-10-21 Thread Guitar & Lute
Hi Tom, 

Just to help you out here since apparantly you have your idea of what 
copyright law is, here is a link and a quote from the US copyright 
office.  

"What is copyright infringement?

As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted 
work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or 
made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright 
owner."

See it yourself, 

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-definitions.html

Allan

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