[LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy (7c compatible)
This is an interesting question. Now let's narrow it down to: What is the latest book in vieil ton that sounds good or okay on 7c lute? Am 10.04.2018 um 12:06 schrieb Martyn Hodgson: Dear Mathias, Quite true: merely laziness on my part I fear. It's so easy to simply click on the general reply rather than to have to redirect the mail. As a further (if irrelevant!) aside, I think you'll also find that Andreas Schlegel is right - only an eleven course instrument seems to be required in this particular publication. Martyn - Forwarded Message - From: Mathias Rösel <mathias.roe...@t-online.de> To: "'lute@cs.dartmouth.edu'" <Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2018, 10:53 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy Martyn, Thank you for reminding us what's relevant (and what not). May I add that I find replying merely to the list more helpful than replying to all. It may help reducing the number of messages in everybody's inbox. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Martyn Hodgson Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. April 2018 11:27 An: [3]mathias.roe...@t-online.de; [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy It does indeed require additional bass courses, but the relevant point here is that the music is for an instrument in the old tuning. MH __ From: "[5]mathias.roe...@t-online.de" <[6]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> To: "[7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[8]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2018, 10:13 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy I seem to remember that a 14c lute is required in Reusner's Lustgarten. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: Andreas Schlegel Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy Datum: 09.04.2018, 20:32 Uhr An: Rainer Cc: lute list Esajas Reusner the older: Musicalischer Lust-Garten / das ist: Herren D. Martini Lutheri, Wie auch anderer Gottseliger (der Reinen Augspurgischen Confession zugethaner) MÃÆ Ã ¤nner / Geistliche Kirchen- und HauÃÆ-Lieder: Auff Lauten Tabulatur gesetzt, Breslau (Georg Baumann) 1645 for 11-course lute in vieil ton. The 11-course lute in vieil tone seems to be very common in this time. How it looks like is a very god questio. See my article The Lute in the Dutch Golden Age What we know and what we play today, in: The Lute in the Netherlands in the Seventeenth Century: Pro- ceedings of the International Lute Symposium Utrecht, 30 August 2013, ed. by Jan W.J. Burgers, Tim Crawford and Matthew Spring, Cambridge Scholars Publishing 2016, ISBN 978-1-4438-9075-5, p. 73-101. Andreas > Am 09.04.2018 um 16:44 schrieb Rainer <[2][1][9]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>: > > Dear lute netters, > > I have often wondered what the latest book in vieil ton published outside Italy is. > > As a starting point I offer: > > > Louys de Moy, LE Petit Boucquet, ÃÆà ¢ à ¦, 1631 > > > Rainer > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3][2][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Andreas Schlegel Eckstr. 6 CH-5737 Menziken Festnetz +41 (0)62 771 47 07 Mobile +41 (0)78 646 87 63 [4][3][11]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch -- References 1. [4][12]https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_an droi d_sendmail_footer 2. mailto:[5][13]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 3. [6][14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. mailto:[7][15]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch -- References 1. mailto:[16]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 2. [17]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:[18]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch 4. [19]https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_andro id_sendmail_footer 5. mailto:[20]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 6. [21]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. mailto:[22]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch -- References 1. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 4. ma
[LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy
Dear Mathias, Quite true: merely laziness on my part I fear. It's so easy to simply click on the general reply rather than to have to redirect the mail. As a further (if irrelevant!) aside, I think you'll also find that Andreas Schlegel is right - only an eleven course instrument seems to be required in this particular publication. Martyn - Forwarded Message - From: Mathias Rösel <mathias.roe...@t-online.de> To: "'lute@cs.dartmouth.edu'" <Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2018, 10:53 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy Martyn, Thank you for reminding us what's relevant (and what not). May I add that I find replying merely to the list more helpful than replying to all. It may help reducing the number of messages in everybody's inbox. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Martyn Hodgson Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. April 2018 11:27 An: [3]mathias.roe...@t-online.de; [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy It does indeed require additional bass courses, but the relevant point here is that the music is for an instrument in the old tuning. MH __ From: "[5]mathias.roe...@t-online.de" <[6]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> To: "[7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[8]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2018, 10:13 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy I seem to remember that a 14c lute is required in Reusner's Lustgarten. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: Andreas Schlegel Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy Datum: 09.04.2018, 20:32 Uhr An: Rainer Cc: lute list Esajas Reusner the older: Musicalischer Lust-Garten / das ist: Herren D. Martini Lutheri, Wie auch anderer Gottseliger (der Reinen Augspurgischen Confession zugethaner) MÃà à ¤nner / Geistliche Kirchen- und HauÃÃ-Lieder: Auff Lauten Tabulatur gesetzt, Breslau (Georg Baumann) 1645 for 11-course lute in vieil ton. The 11-course lute in vieil tone seems to be very common in this time. How it looks like is a very god questio. See my article The Lute in the Dutch Golden Age What we know and what we play today, in: The Lute in the Netherlands in the Seventeenth Century: Pro- ceedings of the International Lute Symposium Utrecht, 30 August 2013, ed. by Jan W.J. Burgers, Tim Crawford and Matthew Spring, Cambridge Scholars Publishing 2016, ISBN 978-1-4438-9075-5, p. 73-101. Andreas > Am 09.04.2018 um 16:44 schrieb Rainer <[2][1][9]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>: > > Dear lute netters, > > I have often wondered what the latest book in vieil ton published outside Italy is. > > As a starting point I offer: > > > Louys de Moy, LE Petit Boucquet, ÃÃà ¢ à ¦, 1631 > > > Rainer > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3][2][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Andreas Schlegel Eckstr. 6 CH-5737 Menziken Festnetz +41 (0)62 771 47 07 Mobile +41 (0)78 646 87 63 [4][3][11]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch -- References 1. [4][12]https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_an droi d_sendmail_footer 2. mailto:[5][13]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 3. [6][14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. mailto:[7][15]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch -- References 1. mailto:[16]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 2. [17]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:[18]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch 4. [19]https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_andro id_sendmail_footer 5. mailto:[20]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 6. [21]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. mailto:[22]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch -- References 1. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 6. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 7. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. mailto:Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 9. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy
Martyn, Thank you for reminding us what's relevant (and what not). May I add that I find replying merely to the list more helpful than replying to all. It may help reducing the number of messages in everybody's inbox. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Martyn Hodgson Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. April 2018 11:27 An: mathias.roe...@t-online.de; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy It does indeed require additional bass courses, but the relevant point here is that the music is for an instrument in the old tuning. MH __ From: "mathias.roe...@t-online.de" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de> To: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2018, 10:13 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy I seem to remember that a 14c lute is required in Reusner's Lustgarten. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: Andreas Schlegel Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy Datum: 09.04.2018, 20:32 Uhr An: Rainer Cc: lute list Esajas Reusner the older: Musicalischer Lust-Garten / das ist: Herren D. Martini Lutheri, Wie auch anderer Gottseliger (der Reinen Augspurgischen Confession zugethaner) MÃ ¤nner / Geistliche Kirchen- und HauÃ-Lieder: Auff Lauten Tabulatur gesetzt, Breslau (Georg Baumann) 1645 for 11-course lute in vieil ton. The 11-course lute in vieil tone seems to be very common in this time. How it looks like is a very god questio. See my article The Lute in the Dutch Golden Age What we know and what we play today, in: The Lute in the Netherlands in the Seventeenth Century: Pro- ceedings of the International Lute Symposium Utrecht, 30 August 2013, ed. by Jan W.J. Burgers, Tim Crawford and Matthew Spring, Cambridge Scholars Publishing 2016, ISBN 978-1-4438-9075-5, p. 73-101. Andreas > Am 09.04.2018 um 16:44 schrieb Rainer <[2][1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>: > > Dear lute netters, > > I have often wondered what the latest book in vieil ton published outside Italy is. > > As a starting point I offer: > > > Louys de Moy, LE Petit Boucquet, â ¦, 1631 > > > Rainer > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3][2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Andreas Schlegel Eckstr. 6 CH-5737 Menziken Festnetz +41 (0)62 771 47 07 Mobile +41 (0)78 646 87 63 [4][3]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch -- References 1. [4]https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_androi d_sendmail_footer 2. mailto:[5]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 3. [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. mailto:[7]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch -- References 1. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:lute.cor...@sunrise.ch 4. https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_android_sendmail_footer 5. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. mailto:lute.cor...@sunrise.ch
[LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy
It does indeed require additional bass courses, but the relevant point here is that the music is for an instrument in the old tuning. MH __ From: "mathias.roe...@t-online.de" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de> To: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2018, 10:13 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy I seem to remember that a 14c lute is required in Reusner's Lustgarten. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: Andreas Schlegel Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy Datum: 09.04.2018, 20:32 Uhr An: Rainer Cc: lute list Esajas Reusner the older: Musicalischer Lust-Garten / das ist: Herren D. Martini Lutheri, Wie auch anderer Gottseliger (der Reinen Augspurgischen Confession zugethaner) Mà ¤nner / Geistliche Kirchen- und HauÃ-Lieder: Auff Lauten Tabulatur gesetzt, Breslau (Georg Baumann) 1645 for 11-course lute in vieil ton. The 11-course lute in vieil tone seems to be very common in this time. How it looks like is a very god questio. See my article The Lute in the Dutch Golden Age What we know and what we play today, in: The Lute in the Netherlands in the Seventeenth Century: Pro- ceedings of the International Lute Symposium Utrecht, 30 August 2013, ed. by Jan W.J. Burgers, Tim Crawford and Matthew Spring, Cambridge Scholars Publishing 2016, ISBN 978-1-4438-9075-5, p. 73-101. Andreas > Am 09.04.2018 um 16:44 schrieb Rainer <[2][1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>: > > Dear lute netters, > > I have often wondered what the latest book in vieil ton published outside Italy is. > > As a starting point I offer: > > > Louys de Moy, LE Petit Boucquet, â ¦, 1631 > > > Rainer > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3][2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Andreas Schlegel Eckstr. 6 CH-5737 Menziken Festnetz +41 (0)62 771 47 07 Mobile +41 (0)78 646 87 63 [4][3]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch -- References 1. [4]https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_androi d_sendmail_footer 2. mailto:[5]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 3. [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. mailto:[7]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch -- References 1. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. mailto:lute.cor...@sunrise.ch 4. https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_android_sendmail_footer 5. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. mailto:lute.cor...@sunrise.ch
[LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy
I seem to remember that a 14c lute is required in Reusner's Lustgarten. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: Andreas Schlegel Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy Datum: 09.04.2018, 20:32 Uhr An: Rainer Cc: lute list Esajas Reusner the older: Musicalischer Lust-Garten / das ist: Herren D. Martini Lutheri, Wie auch anderer Gottseliger (der Reinen Augspurgischen Confession zugethaner) Männer / Geistliche Kirchen- und HauÃ-Lieder: Auff Lauten Tabulatur gesetzt, Breslau (Georg Baumann) 1645 for 11-course lute in vieil ton. The 11-course lute in vieil tone seems to be very common in this time. How it looks like is a very god questio. See my article The Lute in the Dutch Golden Age What we know and what we play today, in: The Lute in the Netherlands in the Seventeenth Century: Pro- ceedings of the International Lute Symposium Utrecht, 30 August 2013, ed. by Jan W.J. Burgers, Tim Crawford and Matthew Spring, Cambridge Scholars Publishing 2016, ISBN 978-1-4438-9075-5, p. 73-101. Andreas > Am 09.04.2018 um 16:44 schrieb Rainer <[2]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de>: > > Dear lute netters, > > I have often wondered what the latest book in vieil ton published outside Italy is. > > As a starting point I offer: > > > Louys de Moy, LE Petit Boucquet, â¦, 1631 > > > Rainer > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Andreas Schlegel Eckstr. 6 CH-5737 Menziken Festnetz +41 (0)62 771 47 07 Mobile +41 (0)78 646 87 63 [4]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch -- References 1. https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_android_sendmail_footer 2. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. mailto:lute.cor...@sunrise.ch
[LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy
Esajas Reusner the older: Musicalischer Lust-Garten / das ist: Herren D. Martini Lutheri, Wie auch anderer Gottseliger (der Reinen Augspurgischen Confession zugethaner) Männer / Geistliche Kirchen- und Hauß-Lieder: Auff Lauten Tabulatur gesetzt, Breslau (Georg Baumann) 1645 for 11-course lute in vieil ton. The 11-course lute in vieil tone seems to be very common in this time. How it looks like is a very god questio. See my article The Lute in the Dutch Golden Age What we know and what we play today, in: The Lute in the Netherlands in the Seventeenth Century: Pro- ceedings of the International Lute Symposium Utrecht, 30 August 2013, ed. by Jan W.J. Burgers, Tim Crawford and Matthew Spring, Cambridge Scholars Publishing 2016, ISBN 978-1-4438-9075-5, p. 73-101. Andreas > Am 09.04.2018 um 16:44 schrieb Rainer: > > Dear lute netters, > > I have often wondered what the latest book in vieil ton published outside > Italy is. > > As a starting point I offer: > > > Louys de Moy, LE Petit Boucquet, …, 1631 > > > Rainer > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Andreas Schlegel Eckstr. 6 CH-5737 Menziken Festnetz +41 (0)62 771 47 07 Mobile +41 (0)78 646 87 63 lute.cor...@sunrise.ch
[LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy
A manuscript. I wouldn't say it was published... Rainer #On 09.04.2018 19:24, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: It was written in France by a Frenchman, dated 1654... Dowloadable there : http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9063327k?rk=21459;2 Best, Jean-Marie -- And you call this a book published outside Italy? Rainer Wer lesen kann, ist klar im Vorteil... On 09.04.2018 17:08, Ralf Mattes wrote: Am Montag, 09. April 2018 16:44 CEST, Rainerschrieb: Dear lute netters, I have often wondered what the latest book in vieil ton published outside Italy is. As a starting point I offer: Louys de Moy, LE Petit Boucquet, …, 1631 Way too early! There's a manuscript transcription (french!) of Zarlino in BN/Paris with all counterpoint examples intabulated in biel ton. IIRC that's from the end of the 17th/early 18th century. Cheers, RalfD Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy
It was written in France by a Frenchman, dated 1654... Dowloadable there : http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9063327k?rk=21459;2 Best, Jean-Marie -- >And you call this a book published outside Italy? > >Rainer > >Wer lesen kann, ist klar im Vorteil... > >On 09.04.2018 17:08, Ralf Mattes wrote: >> >> Am Montag, 09. April 2018 16:44 CEST, Rainer>> schrieb: >> >>> Dear lute netters, >>> >>> I have often wondered what the latest book in vieil ton published outside >>> Italy is. >>> >>> As a starting point I offer: >>> >>> >>> Louys de Moy, LE Petit Boucquet, …, 1631 >> >> Way too early! >> There's a manuscript transcription (french!) of Zarlino in BN/Paris with all >> counterpoint examples intabulated in biel ton. >> IIRC that's from the end of the 17th/early 18th century. >> >> Cheers, RalfD >> >>> >>> Rainer >>> >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
[LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy
And you call this a book published outside Italy? Rainer Wer lesen kann, ist klar im Vorteil... On 09.04.2018 17:08, Ralf Mattes wrote: Am Montag, 09. April 2018 16:44 CEST, Rainerschrieb: Dear lute netters, I have often wondered what the latest book in vieil ton published outside Italy is. As a starting point I offer: Louys de Moy, LE Petit Boucquet, …, 1631 Way too early! There's a manuscript transcription (french!) of Zarlino in BN/Paris with all counterpoint examples intabulated in biel ton. IIRC that's from the end of the 17th/early 18th century. Cheers, RalfD Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Latest book in viel ton outside Italy
Am Montag, 09. April 2018 16:44 CEST, Rainerschrieb: > Dear lute netters, > > I have often wondered what the latest book in vieil ton published outside > Italy is. > > As a starting point I offer: > > > Louys de Moy, LE Petit Boucquet, …, 1631 Way too early! There's a manuscript transcription (french!) of Zarlino in BN/Paris with all counterpoint examples intabulated in biel ton. IIRC that's from the end of the 17th/early 18th century. Cheers, RalfD > > Rainer > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html