[LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute?
LOL! :-) I just hope that Wayne and or others don't get upset over this funny silliness clogging their inboxes...this is the last thing I am going to say about it! Sorry...but I had some GREAT laughs! You are ALL wonderful people... Warm regards and God bless, BJ __ From: Ron Andrico To: dwinh...@comcast.net; brentl...@bellsouth.net Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, February 6, 2012 12:32:08 PM Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute? Now, then. Careful with the allusions to delusions or I might have to send my cousin Ludovico Grosso da Venice Beach to your address. RA > Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 08:34:49 -0800 > To: brentl...@bellsouth.net > CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: dwinh...@comcast.net > Subject: [LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute? > > Yes- 3.5 mm fistmele for the average cricket longbow sounds about right. But cricket lutes are gonna be tight, whether they even played lutes is still controversial. Entymusicologists have been wrestling with this question for decades. John Milton Ward and Howard Meyer Brown actually came to blows over this one- it all turned on a misunderstanding of Medieval Arab units of measurement relating to Locust ouds, a thankless task for even the most dedicated investigators. The Pepito Grillo artifact rescued from a Libyan anthill in 1922 turned out to be totally bogus. Adding to the acrimony is the original text of the famous Josquin chanson- "El grillo non cantare". > > On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:56 AM, brentlynk wrote: > > > Thanks Dan! > > But if one happens to be an English cricket, his longbow might be that small, > > LOL! :-) > > > > > > > > - Original Message > > From: Daniel Winheld > > To: brentlynk > > Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu List" > > Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 2:29:46 PM > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute? > > > > > > > > My Baroque lute (Robert Lundberg, 1977) is a bare touch less than 4 mm at both > > 9th and 10th frets (1st string lines up exactly with the line on my ruler- to > > top of fret). Feels fine, would not want it lower & certainly no higher. > > > > The fistmele of an English Longbow (distance from the bottom of the string to > > the surface of the inside of the bow when braced) should be the distance from > > the edge of the hand to end of the extended thumb, approx. 6-1/4", depending of > > course on various factors- length of the bow, size of the archer, etc. A little > > more room to play around with than the lute action distance. > > > > Dan > > > > On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:45 AM, brentlynk wrote: > > > >> P.S. It's much appreciated, Roman and Eugene...Indeed, 4 mm was the "max" that > > > >> the expert/master luthier told me was "acceptable"...My 10-course was in for > >> repairs recently (after 15 years of me playing it...) and the action had > >> risen > >> > >> to about 5.5 mm at the 9th fret. The luthier corrected it and it plays a > >> GREAT > >> > >> deal better now. I am glad to know the same basic rule applies to the action > >> on > >> > >> baroque lutes...Heck, they are lutes, not long-bows to shoot arrows with, LOL! > > > >> :-) > >> > >> Best regards and have a wonderful Sunday evening, > >> BJ > >> > >> > >> > >> - Original Message > >> From: Roman Turovsky > >> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; brentlynk > >> Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 12:36:01 PM > >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Action on Baroque Lute? > >> > >> 3.5mm @ the 8th fret. Definitely no more than 4mm. > >> RT > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - From: "brentlynk" > >> To: > >> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:27 PM > >> Subject: [LUTE] Action on Baroque Lute? > >> > >> > >>> Hello Everyone! > >>> > >>> Quick question to all the experts out there (if it's possible for me to ask a > >>> quick question, LOL -- sorry! :-) > >>> > >>> What is the "ideal action" at the neck/body joint on 13 course baroque
[LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute?
Now, then. Careful with the allusions to delusions or I might have to send my cousin Ludovico Grosso da Venice Beach to your address. RA > Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 08:34:49 -0800 > To: brentl...@bellsouth.net > CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: dwinh...@comcast.net > Subject: [LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute? > > Yes- 3.5 mm fistmele for the average cricket longbow sounds about right. But cricket lutes are gonna be tight, whether they even played lutes is still controversial. Entymusicologists have been wrestling with this question for decades. John Milton Ward and Howard Meyer Brown actually came to blows over this one- it all turned on a misunderstanding of Medieval Arab units of measurement relating to Locust ouds, a thankless task for even the most dedicated investigators. The Pepito Grillo artifact rescued from a Libyan anthill in 1922 turned out to be totally bogus. Adding to the acrimony is the original text of the famous Josquin chanson- "El grillo non cantare". > > On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:56 AM, brentlynk wrote: > > > Thanks Dan! > > But if one happens to be an English cricket, his longbow might be that small, > > LOL! :-) > > > > > > > > - Original Message > > From: Daniel Winheld > > To: brentlynk > > Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu List" > > Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 2:29:46 PM > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute? > > > > > > > > My Baroque lute (Robert Lundberg, 1977) is a bare touch less than 4 mm at both > > 9th and 10th frets (1st string lines up exactly with the line on my ruler- to > > top of fret). Feels fine, would not want it lower & certainly no higher. > > > > The fistmele of an English Longbow (distance from the bottom of the string to > > the surface of the inside of the bow when braced) should be the distance from > > the edge of the hand to end of the extended thumb, approx. 6-1/4", depending of > > course on various factors- length of the bow, size of the archer, etc. A little > > more room to play around with than the lute action distance. > > > > Dan > > > > On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:45 AM, brentlynk wrote: > > > >> P.S. It's much appreciated, Roman and Eugene...Indeed, 4 mm was the "max" that > > > >> the expert/master luthier told me was "acceptable"...My 10-course was in for > >> repairs recently (after 15 years of me playing it...) and the action had > >> risen > >> > >> to about 5.5 mm at the 9th fret. The luthier corrected it and it plays a > >> GREAT > >> > >> deal better now. I am glad to know the same basic rule applies to the action > >> on > >> > >> baroque lutes...Heck, they are lutes, not long-bows to shoot arrows with, LOL! > > > >> :-) > >> > >> Best regards and have a wonderful Sunday evening, > >> BJ > >> > >> > >> > >> - Original Message > >> From: Roman Turovsky > >> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; brentlynk > >> Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 12:36:01 PM > >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Action on Baroque Lute? > >> > >> 3.5mm @ the 8th fret. Definitely no more than 4mm. > >> RT > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - From: "brentlynk" > >> To: > >> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:27 PM > >> Subject: [LUTE] Action on Baroque Lute? > >> > >> > >>> Hello Everyone! > >>> > >>> Quick question to all the experts out there (if it's possible for me to ask a > >>> quick question, LOL -- sorry! :-) > >>> > >>> What is the "ideal action" at the neck/body joint on 13 course baroque lute > >>> with > >>> a 72 cm vibrating string length "supposed" to be? I realize that this could > > be > >>> "subjective," based upon individuals and their playing styles, etc...But is > >>> there a general consensus of a "range" that most people consider ideal? > >>> > >>> IF interested, here is more background as to why I am asking the question: > >>> > >>> I have played ten course renaissan
[LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute?
Oh, Dan, you are TOO funny and you made my day! God bless you and yours... BJ - Original Message From: Daniel Winheld To: brentlynk Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.eduList" Sent: Mon, February 6, 2012 11:34:49 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute? Yes- 3.5 mm fistmele for the average cricket longbow sounds about right. But cricket lutes are gonna be tight, whether they even played lutes is still controversial. Entymusicologists have been wrestling with this question for decades. John Milton Ward and Howard Meyer Brown actually came to blows over this one- it all turned on a misunderstanding of Medieval Arab units of measurement relating to Locust ouds, a thankless task for even the most dedicated investigators. The Pepito Grillo artifact rescued from a Libyan anthill in 1922 turned out to be totally bogus. Adding to the acrimony is the original text of the famous Josquin chanson- "El grillo non cantare". On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:56 AM, brentlynk wrote: > Thanks Dan! > But if one happens to be an English cricket, his longbow might be that small, > LOL! :-) > > > > - Original Message > From: Daniel Winheld > To: brentlynk > Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu List" > Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 2:29:46 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute? > > > > My Baroque lute (Robert Lundberg, 1977) is a bare touch less than 4 mm at > both > 9th and 10th frets (1st string lines up exactly with the line on my ruler- to > top of fret). Feels fine, would not want it lower & certainly no higher. > > The fistmele of an English Longbow (distance from the bottom of the string to > the surface of the inside of the bow when braced) should be the distance from > the edge of the hand to end of the extended thumb, approx. 6-1/4", depending > of > > course on various factors- length of the bow, size of the archer, etc. A > little > > more room to play around with than the lute action distance. > > Dan > > On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:45 AM, brentlynk wrote: > >> P.S. It's much appreciated, Roman and Eugene...Indeed, 4 mm was the "max" >> that > > >> the expert/master luthier told me was "acceptable"...My 10-course was in for >> repairs recently (after 15 years of me playing it...) and the action had >> risen >> >> to about 5.5 mm at the 9th fret. The luthier corrected it and it plays a >> GREAT >> >> deal better now. I am glad to know the same basic rule applies to the >> action >> on >> >> baroque lutes...Heck, they are lutes, not long-bows to shoot arrows with, >> LOL! > > >> :-) >> >> Best regards and have a wonderful Sunday evening, >> BJ >> >> >> >> - Original Message >> From: Roman Turovsky >> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; brentlynk >> Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 12:36:01 PM >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Action on Baroque Lute? >> >> 3.5mm @ the 8th fret. Definitely no more than 4mm. >> RT >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "brentlynk" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:27 PM >> Subject: [LUTE] Action on Baroque Lute? >> >> >>> Hello Everyone! >>> >>> Quick question to all the experts out there (if it's possible for me to ask a >>> quick question, LOL -- sorry! :-) >>> >>> What is the "ideal action" at the neck/body joint on 13 course baroque lute >>> with >>> a 72 cm vibrating string length "supposed" to be? I realize that this could > be >>> "subjective," based upon individuals and their playing styles, etc...But is >>> there a general consensus of a "range" that most people consider ideal? >>> >>> IF interested, here is more background as to why I am asking the question: >>> >>> I have played ten course renaissance lute for the past 20 years, and was >>> told > > >>> by >>> a great luthier that "4 mm of clearance is acceptable at the neck/body >>> joint >>> for >>> a 63 cm vibrating string length, 10 course renaissance lute." He also said >>> that >>> on smaller renaissance lutes, such as six course lutes, (especially with > those >>> with shorter string lengths...) the ideal action is even lower than that at >> the >>> neck/body joint -- say, "around 3 mm of clearance at the neck/body joint." >>> I >> am >>> NOT a luthier and have no clue...I am only rep
[LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute?
Yes- 3.5 mm fistmele for the average cricket longbow sounds about right. But cricket lutes are gonna be tight, whether they even played lutes is still controversial. Entymusicologists have been wrestling with this question for decades. John Milton Ward and Howard Meyer Brown actually came to blows over this one- it all turned on a misunderstanding of Medieval Arab units of measurement relating to Locust ouds, a thankless task for even the most dedicated investigators. The Pepito Grillo artifact rescued from a Libyan anthill in 1922 turned out to be totally bogus. Adding to the acrimony is the original text of the famous Josquin chanson- "El grillo non cantare". On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:56 AM, brentlynk wrote: > Thanks Dan! > But if one happens to be an English cricket, his longbow might be that small, > LOL! :-) > > > > - Original Message > From: Daniel Winheld > To: brentlynk > Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu List" > Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 2:29:46 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute? > > > > My Baroque lute (Robert Lundberg, 1977) is a bare touch less than 4 mm at > both > 9th and 10th frets (1st string lines up exactly with the line on my ruler- to > top of fret). Feels fine, would not want it lower & certainly no higher. > > The fistmele of an English Longbow (distance from the bottom of the string to > the surface of the inside of the bow when braced) should be the distance from > the edge of the hand to end of the extended thumb, approx. 6-1/4", depending > of > course on various factors- length of the bow, size of the archer, etc. A > little > more room to play around with than the lute action distance. > > Dan > > On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:45 AM, brentlynk wrote: > >> P.S. It's much appreciated, Roman and Eugene...Indeed, 4 mm was the "max" >> that > >> the expert/master luthier told me was "acceptable"...My 10-course was in for >> repairs recently (after 15 years of me playing it...) and the action had >> risen >> >> to about 5.5 mm at the 9th fret. The luthier corrected it and it plays a >> GREAT >> >> deal better now. I am glad to know the same basic rule applies to the >> action >> on >> >> baroque lutes...Heck, they are lutes, not long-bows to shoot arrows with, >> LOL! > >> :-) >> >> Best regards and have a wonderful Sunday evening, >> BJ >> >> >> >> - Original Message >> From: Roman Turovsky >> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; brentlynk >> Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 12:36:01 PM >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Action on Baroque Lute? >> >> 3.5mm @ the 8th fret. Definitely no more than 4mm. >> RT >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "brentlynk" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:27 PM >> Subject: [LUTE] Action on Baroque Lute? >> >> >>> Hello Everyone! >>> >>> Quick question to all the experts out there (if it's possible for me to ask >>> a >>> quick question, LOL -- sorry! :-) >>> >>> What is the "ideal action" at the neck/body joint on 13 course baroque lute >>> with >>> a 72 cm vibrating string length "supposed" to be? I realize that this could > be >>> "subjective," based upon individuals and their playing styles, etc...But is >>> there a general consensus of a "range" that most people consider ideal? >>> >>> IF interested, here is more background as to why I am asking the question: >>> >>> I have played ten course renaissance lute for the past 20 years, and was >>> told > >>> by >>> a great luthier that "4 mm of clearance is acceptable at the neck/body >>> joint >>> for >>> a 63 cm vibrating string length, 10 course renaissance lute." He also said >>> that >>> on smaller renaissance lutes, such as six course lutes, (especially with > those >>> with shorter string lengths...) the ideal action is even lower than that at >> the >>> neck/body joint -- say, "around 3 mm of clearance at the neck/body joint." >>> I >> am >>> NOT a luthier and have no clue...I am only repeating what I was told by a > very >>> reputable luthier who knows his stuff. He gets this newsletter, so perhaps >>> he'll >>> answer this question along with others? :-) >>> >>> Anyhow, the reason I ask is that soon, I am going to be blessed
[LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute?
Thanks Dan! But if one happens to be an English cricket, his longbow might be that small, LOL! :-) - Original Message From: Daniel Winheld To: brentlynk Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu List" Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 2:29:46 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute? My Baroque lute (Robert Lundberg, 1977) is a bare touch less than 4 mm at both 9th and 10th frets (1st string lines up exactly with the line on my ruler- to top of fret). Feels fine, would not want it lower & certainly no higher. The fistmele of an English Longbow (distance from the bottom of the string to the surface of the inside of the bow when braced) should be the distance from the edge of the hand to end of the extended thumb, approx. 6-1/4", depending of course on various factors- length of the bow, size of the archer, etc. A little more room to play around with than the lute action distance. Dan On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:45 AM, brentlynk wrote: > P.S. It's much appreciated, Roman and Eugene...Indeed, 4 mm was the "max" > that > the expert/master luthier told me was "acceptable"...My 10-course was in for > repairs recently (after 15 years of me playing it...) and the action had >risen > > to about 5.5 mm at the 9th fret. The luthier corrected it and it plays a >GREAT > > deal better now. I am glad to know the same basic rule applies to the action >on > > baroque lutes...Heck, they are lutes, not long-bows to shoot arrows with, > LOL! > :-) > > Best regards and have a wonderful Sunday evening, > BJ > > > > - Original Message > From: Roman Turovsky > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; brentlynk > Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 12:36:01 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Action on Baroque Lute? > > 3.5mm @ the 8th fret. Definitely no more than 4mm. > RT > > > - Original Message - From: "brentlynk" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:27 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Action on Baroque Lute? > > >> Hello Everyone! >> >> Quick question to all the experts out there (if it's possible for me to ask a >> quick question, LOL -- sorry! :-) >> >> What is the "ideal action" at the neck/body joint on 13 course baroque lute >> with >> a 72 cm vibrating string length "supposed" to be? I realize that this could be >> "subjective," based upon individuals and their playing styles, etc...But is >> there a general consensus of a "range" that most people consider ideal? >> >> IF interested, here is more background as to why I am asking the question: >> >> I have played ten course renaissance lute for the past 20 years, and was >> told >> by >> a great luthier that "4 mm of clearance is acceptable at the neck/body joint >> for >> a 63 cm vibrating string length, 10 course renaissance lute." He also said >> that >> on smaller renaissance lutes, such as six course lutes, (especially with those >> with shorter string lengths...) the ideal action is even lower than that at > the >> neck/body joint -- say, "around 3 mm of clearance at the neck/body joint." I > am >> NOT a luthier and have no clue...I am only repeating what I was told by a very >> reputable luthier who knows his stuff. He gets this newsletter, so perhaps >> he'll >> answer this question along with others? :-) >> >> Anyhow, the reason I ask is that soon, I am going to be blessed with a 13 >> course >> baroque lute with a 72 cm vibrating string length, and I am wondering what the >> general consensus is on the action for such a lute? Is 4 mm to 5 mm of string >> clearance at the neck/body joint acceptable? Or is that too low? Or too high? >> >> >> I realize that we are talking about millimeters here...I don't literally >> mean >> to >> splice hairs, LOL :-). I am also wondering if the action on a 13 course > baroque >> lute of 72 cm should/could/would be even higher than 5 mm? Personally, having >> only played renaissance lute up to 10 courses thus far, I have always > preferred >> the lowest action possible without buzzing...But since the 72 cm,13 course >> baroque lute I am referring to is so much longer than what I am currently used >> to with the 10 course, 63 cm lute I play, I want to make sure I know what to >> expect... (I am happy to make the transition and adjust accordingly...no >> worries!) >> >> >> Thanks in advance, >> BJ >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
[LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute?
Fingerboard surface to string. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 5, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Eugene Kurenko wrote: > As for me I meant bottom of the string and top of the fret > > 2012/2/5 William Samson <[1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> > > Just going to be picky for a sec - Are we talking about the > distance > between the bottom of the string and the surface of the > fingerboard, or > the top of the fret? Could make a significant difference. > Bill > From: brentlynk <[2]brentl...@bellsouth.net> > To: Roman Turovsky <[3]r.turov...@gmail.com>; > [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 17:45 > Subject: [LUTE] P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute? > > P.S. It's much appreciated, Roman and Eugene...Indeed, 4 mm was the > "max" that > the expert/master luthier told me was "acceptable"...My 10-course was > in for > repairs recently (after 15 years of me playing it...) and the action > had risen > to about 5.5 mm at the 9th fret. The luthier corrected it and it > plays > a GREAT > deal better now. I am glad to know the same basic rule applies to > the > action on > baroque lutes...Heck, they are lutes, not long-bows to shoot arrows > with, LOL! > :-) > Best regards and have a wonderful Sunday evening, > BJ > - Original Message > > From: Roman Turovsky <[1][5]r.turov...@gmail.com> > To: [2][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; brentlynk > <[3][7]brentl...@bellsouth.net> > Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 12:36:01 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Action on Baroque Lute? > 3.5mm @ the 8th fret. Definitely no more than 4mm. > RT > - Original Message - From: "brentlynk" > > <[4][8]brentl...@bellsouth.net> > To: <[5][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:27 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Action on Baroque Lute? >> Hello Everyone! >> >> Quick question to all the experts out there (if it's possible for > me > to ask a >> quick question, LOL -- sorry! :-) >> >> What is the "ideal action" at the neck/body joint on 13 course > baroque lute >> with >> a 72 cm vibrating string length "supposed" to be? I realize that > this > could be >> "subjective," based upon individuals and their playing styles, > etc...But is >> there a general consensus of a "range" that most people consider > ideal? >> >> IF interested, here is more background as to why I am asking the > question: >> >> I have played ten course renaissance lute for the past 20 years, > and > was told >> by >> a great luthier that "4 mm of clearance is acceptable at the > neck/body joint >> for >> a 63 cm vibrating string length, 10 course renaissance lute." He > also said >> that >> on smaller renaissance lutes, such as six course lutes, (especially > with those >> with shorter string lengths...) the ideal action is even lower than > that at > the >> neck/body joint -- say, "around 3 mm of clearance at the neck/body > joint." I > am >> NOT a luthier and have no clue...I am only repeating what I was > told > by a very >> reputable luthier who knows his stuff. He gets this newsletter, so > perhaps >> he'll >> answer this question along with others? :-) >> >> Anyhow, the reason I ask is that soon, I am going to be blessed > with > a 13 >> course >> baroque lute with a 72 cm vibrating string length, and I am > wondering > what the >> general consensus is on the action for such a lute? Is 4 mm to 5 mm > of string >> clearance at the neck/body joint acceptable? Or is that too low? > Or > too high? >> >> >> I realize that we are talking about millimeters here...I don't > literally mean >> to >> splice hairs, LOL :-). I am also wondering if the action on a 13 > course > baroque >> lute of 72 cm should/could/would be even higher than 5 mm? > Personally, having >> only played renaissance lute up to 10 courses thus far, I have > always > preferred >> the lowest action possible without buzzing...But since the 72 cm,13 > course >> baroque lute I am referring to is so much longer than what I am > currently used >> to with the 10 course, 63 cm lute I play, I want to make sure I > know > what to >> expect... (I am happy to make the transition and adjust > accordingly...no >> worries!) >> >> >> Thanks in advance, >> BJ >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at > >> [6][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- > References > 1. mailto:[11]r.turov...@gmail.com > 2. mailto:[12]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > 3. mailto:[13]brentl...@bellsouth.net > 4. mailto:[14]brentl...@bellsouth.net > 5. mailto:[15]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > 6. [16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:willsam...@yahoo.co.uk > 2. mailto:brent
[LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute?
My Baroque lute (Robert Lundberg, 1977) is a bare touch less than 4 mm at both 9th and 10th frets (1st string lines up exactly with the line on my ruler- to top of fret). Feels fine, would not want it lower & certainly no higher. The fistmele of an English Longbow (distance from the bottom of the string to the surface of the inside of the bow when braced) should be the distance from the edge of the hand to end of the extended thumb, approx. 6-1/4", depending of course on various factors- length of the bow, size of the archer, etc. A little more room to play around with than the lute action distance. Dan On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:45 AM, brentlynk wrote: > P.S. It's much appreciated, Roman and Eugene...Indeed, 4 mm was the "max" > that > the expert/master luthier told me was "acceptable"...My 10-course was in for > repairs recently (after 15 years of me playing it...) and the action had > risen > to about 5.5 mm at the 9th fret. The luthier corrected it and it plays a > GREAT > deal better now. I am glad to know the same basic rule applies to the action > on > baroque lutes...Heck, they are lutes, not long-bows to shoot arrows with, > LOL! > :-) > > Best regards and have a wonderful Sunday evening, > BJ > > > > - Original Message > From: Roman Turovsky > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; brentlynk > Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 12:36:01 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Action on Baroque Lute? > > 3.5mm @ the 8th fret. Definitely no more than 4mm. > RT > > > - Original Message - From: "brentlynk" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:27 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Action on Baroque Lute? > > >> Hello Everyone! >> >> Quick question to all the experts out there (if it's possible for me to ask a >> quick question, LOL -- sorry! :-) >> >> What is the "ideal action" at the neck/body joint on 13 course baroque lute >> with >> a 72 cm vibrating string length "supposed" to be? I realize that this could >> be >> "subjective," based upon individuals and their playing styles, etc...But is >> there a general consensus of a "range" that most people consider ideal? >> >> IF interested, here is more background as to why I am asking the question: >> >> I have played ten course renaissance lute for the past 20 years, and was >> told >> by >> a great luthier that "4 mm of clearance is acceptable at the neck/body joint >> for >> a 63 cm vibrating string length, 10 course renaissance lute." He also said >> that >> on smaller renaissance lutes, such as six course lutes, (especially with >> those >> with shorter string lengths...) the ideal action is even lower than that at > the >> neck/body joint -- say, "around 3 mm of clearance at the neck/body joint." I > am >> NOT a luthier and have no clue...I am only repeating what I was told by a >> very >> reputable luthier who knows his stuff. He gets this newsletter, so perhaps >> he'll >> answer this question along with others? :-) >> >> Anyhow, the reason I ask is that soon, I am going to be blessed with a 13 >> course >> baroque lute with a 72 cm vibrating string length, and I am wondering what >> the >> general consensus is on the action for such a lute? Is 4 mm to 5 mm of string >> clearance at the neck/body joint acceptable? Or is that too low? Or too >> high? >> >> >> I realize that we are talking about millimeters here...I don't literally >> mean >> to >> splice hairs, LOL :-). I am also wondering if the action on a 13 course > baroque >> lute of 72 cm should/could/would be even higher than 5 mm? Personally, >> having >> only played renaissance lute up to 10 courses thus far, I have always > preferred >> the lowest action possible without buzzing...But since the 72 cm,13 course >> baroque lute I am referring to is so much longer than what I am currently >> used >> to with the 10 course, 63 cm lute I play, I want to make sure I know what to >> expect... (I am happy to make the transition and adjust accordingly...no >> worries!) >> >> >> Thanks in advance, >> BJ >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
[LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute?
As for me I meant bottom of the string and top of the fret 2012/2/5 William Samson <[1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> Just going to be picky for a sec - Are we talking about the distance between the bottom of the string and the surface of the fingerboard, or the top of the fret? Could make a significant difference. Bill From: brentlynk <[2]brentl...@bellsouth.net> To: Roman Turovsky <[3]r.turov...@gmail.com>; [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 17:45 Subject: [LUTE] P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute? P.S. It's much appreciated, Roman and Eugene...Indeed, 4 mm was the "max" that the expert/master luthier told me was "acceptable"...My 10-course was in for repairs recently (after 15 years of me playing it...) and the action had risen to about 5.5 mm at the 9th fret. The luthier corrected it and it plays a GREAT deal better now. I am glad to know the same basic rule applies to the action on baroque lutes...Heck, they are lutes, not long-bows to shoot arrows with, LOL! :-) Best regards and have a wonderful Sunday evening, BJ - Original Message From: Roman Turovsky <[1][5]r.turov...@gmail.com> To: [2][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; brentlynk <[3][7]brentl...@bellsouth.net> Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 12:36:01 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Action on Baroque Lute? 3.5mm @ the 8th fret. Definitely no more than 4mm. RT - Original Message - From: "brentlynk" <[4][8]brentl...@bellsouth.net> To: <[5][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:27 PM Subject: [LUTE] Action on Baroque Lute? > Hello Everyone! > > Quick question to all the experts out there (if it's possible for me to ask a > quick question, LOL -- sorry! :-) > > What is the "ideal action" at the neck/body joint on 13 course baroque lute >with > a 72 cm vibrating string length "supposed" to be? I realize that this could be > "subjective," based upon individuals and their playing styles, etc...But is > there a general consensus of a "range" that most people consider ideal? > > IF interested, here is more background as to why I am asking the question: > > I have played ten course renaissance lute for the past 20 years, and was told >by > a great luthier that "4 mm of clearance is acceptable at the neck/body joint >for > a 63 cm vibrating string length, 10 course renaissance lute." He also said >that > on smaller renaissance lutes, such as six course lutes, (especially with those > with shorter string lengths...) the ideal action is even lower than that at the > neck/body joint -- say, "around 3 mm of clearance at the neck/body joint." I am > NOT a luthier and have no clue...I am only repeating what I was told by a very > reputable luthier who knows his stuff. He gets this newsletter, so perhaps >he'll > answer this question along with others? :-) > > Anyhow, the reason I ask is that soon, I am going to be blessed with a 13 >course > baroque lute with a 72 cm vibrating string length, and I am wondering what the > general consensus is on the action for such a lute? Is 4 mm to 5 mm of string > clearance at the neck/body joint acceptable? Or is that too low? Or too high? > > > I realize that we are talking about millimeters here...I don't literally mean >to > splice hairs, LOL :-). I am also wondering if the action on a 13 course baroque > lute of 72 cm should/could/would be even higher than 5 mm? Personally, having > only played renaissance lute up to 10 courses thus far, I have always preferred > the lowest action possible without buzzing...But since the 72 cm,13 course > baroque lute I am referring to is so much longer than what I am currently used > to with the 10 course, 63 cm lute I play, I want to make sure I know what to > expect... (I am happy to make the transition and adjust accordingly...no > worries!) > > > Thanks in advance, > BJ > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [6][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[11]r.turov...@gmail.com 2. mailto:[12]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:[13]brentl...@bellsouth.net 4. mailto:[14]brentl...@bellsouth.net 5. mailto:[15]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. [16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:willsam...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:brentl...@bellsouth.net 3.
[LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute?
Just going to be picky for a sec - Are we talking about the distance between the bottom of the string and the surface of the fingerboard, or the top of the fret? Could make a significant difference. Bill From: brentlynk To: Roman Turovsky ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 17:45 Subject: [LUTE] P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute? P.S. It's much appreciated, Roman and Eugene...Indeed, 4 mm was the "max" that the expert/master luthier told me was "acceptable"...My 10-course was in for repairs recently (after 15 years of me playing it...) and the action had risen to about 5.5 mm at the 9th fret. The luthier corrected it and it plays a GREAT deal better now. I am glad to know the same basic rule applies to the action on baroque lutes...Heck, they are lutes, not long-bows to shoot arrows with, LOL! :-) Best regards and have a wonderful Sunday evening, BJ - Original Message From: Roman Turovsky <[1]r.turov...@gmail.com> To: [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; brentlynk <[3]brentl...@bellsouth.net> Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 12:36:01 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Action on Baroque Lute? 3.5mm @ the 8th fret. Definitely no more than 4mm. RT - Original Message - From: "brentlynk" <[4]brentl...@bellsouth.net> To: <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:27 PM Subject: [LUTE] Action on Baroque Lute? > Hello Everyone! > > Quick question to all the experts out there (if it's possible for me to ask a > quick question, LOL -- sorry! :-) > > What is the "ideal action" at the neck/body joint on 13 course baroque lute >with > a 72 cm vibrating string length "supposed" to be? I realize that this could be > "subjective," based upon individuals and their playing styles, etc...But is > there a general consensus of a "range" that most people consider ideal? > > IF interested, here is more background as to why I am asking the question: > > I have played ten course renaissance lute for the past 20 years, and was told >by > a great luthier that "4 mm of clearance is acceptable at the neck/body joint >for > a 63 cm vibrating string length, 10 course renaissance lute." He also said >that > on smaller renaissance lutes, such as six course lutes, (especially with those > with shorter string lengths...) the ideal action is even lower than that at the > neck/body joint -- say, "around 3 mm of clearance at the neck/body joint." I am > NOT a luthier and have no clue...I am only repeating what I was told by a very > reputable luthier who knows his stuff. He gets this newsletter, so perhaps >he'll > answer this question along with others? :-) > > Anyhow, the reason I ask is that soon, I am going to be blessed with a 13 >course > baroque lute with a 72 cm vibrating string length, and I am wondering what the > general consensus is on the action for such a lute? Is 4 mm to 5 mm of string > clearance at the neck/body joint acceptable? Or is that too low? Or too high? > > > I realize that we are talking about millimeters here...I don't literally mean >to > splice hairs, LOL :-). I am also wondering if the action on a 13 course baroque > lute of 72 cm should/could/would be even higher than 5 mm? Personally, having > only played renaissance lute up to 10 courses thus far, I have always preferred > the lowest action possible without buzzing...But since the 72 cm,13 course > baroque lute I am referring to is so much longer than what I am currently used > to with the 10 course, 63 cm lute I play, I want to make sure I know what to > expect... (I am happy to make the transition and adjust accordingly...no > worries!) > > > Thanks in advance, > BJ > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:brentl...@bellsouth.net 4. mailto:brentl...@bellsouth.net 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
