Re: Antwort: Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

[Donatella Galletti]

There is some Ialian music of the same period, for archlute, I think in
manuscripts, and I also heard it played, quite nice. Unfortunately, the
owners do not want it to be published or rehearsed.I suppose there must be
much more..
There is a possibility to browse Italian libraries online (titles), I think
I found Francesco Da Milano starting from "biblioteche pubbliche Milano
Lombardia" in Google. Sorry I can't find the link now...

Donatella

http://web.tiscali.it/awebd


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Subject: Antwort: Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni


>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Ed,
>
> Gianoncelli is good. I also enjoy Melii (in spite of many printing
> mistakes) and Kapsberger. There are also some modern pieces out which
makes
> well-sounding repertoire (to name an example: I like the settings of Satie
> published by TREE). By the way: Zamboni is nice and entertaining music - I
> just don't like comparision of the kind Mathias did ("Apfel mit Birne" we
> say in germany - if you compare things ignoring the difference).
> Zamboni's importance is that he represents a time when not much lute music
> was printed in italy anymore. And to a certain degree shows why this is
the
> case.
>
> Surely the italian style and among it maybe or even properly the lute
music
> (although I suspect it's more the way of continuo playing on a lute Weiss
> heard in Rome - but this is only guesswork) would have some influence on
> the young Sylvius. But he developed this style and - it surely was only
one
> influence among many.
> Baron makes a good reading regarding the development what he calls "mixed
> style". He praises it as using the best from both (french and italian)
> worlds and creating something new.
>
> Best wishes
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
>
> Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 08.02.2005 08:37:10
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> An:[EMAIL PROTECTED], lute list 
> Kopie:
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> Thema: Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni
>
> >Actually Zamboni is flat and very simple music (often not much more than
> >simple I-IV-V). Very entertaining but not comparable in any kind to the
> music
> >of Weiss
>
> So what is really worth having for archlute solo? I only have
> Gianoncelli 1650 right now. I'm expecting my archlute to arrive in
> April, now.
> --
> Ed Durbrow
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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

[LGS-Europe]

> I find a Zamboni to be a modern invention that saves the players having to
> come out and shovel the ice between periods.

As I said: useful in between more important things. ;-)

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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

[Jon Murphy]

I show my plebian side, as an ex-hockey player from the days before Zamboni
I find a Zamboni to be a modern invention that saves the players having to
come out and shovel the ice between periods. Wish we had one in my day.

Best, Jon



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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

[s.gliese]

..maybe Milorad Romics:
R.de Visee : "5 suiten in transcription für Archlute",
or some of the music from the Goess-tabulatures.
best wishes
steffen gliese

Ed Durbrow wrote:

>>Actually Zamboni is flat and very simple music (often not much more than
>>simple I-IV-V). Very entertaining but not comparable in any kind to the music
>>of Weiss
>>
>>
>
>So what is really worth having for archlute solo? I only have 
>Gianoncelli 1650 right now. I'm expecting my archlute to arrive in 
>April, now.
>  
>


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Antwort: Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

[thomas . schall]

Dear Ed,

Gianoncelli is good. I also enjoy Melii (in spite of many printing
mistakes) and Kapsberger. There are also some modern pieces out which makes
well-sounding repertoire (to name an example: I like the settings of Satie
published by TREE). By the way: Zamboni is nice and entertaining music - I
just don't like comparision of the kind Mathias did ("Apfel mit Birne" we
say in germany - if you compare things ignoring the difference).
Zamboni's importance is that he represents a time when not much lute music
was printed in italy anymore. And to a certain degree shows why this is the
case.

Surely the italian style and among it maybe or even properly the lute music
(although I suspect it's more the way of continuo playing on a lute Weiss
heard in Rome - but this is only guesswork) would have some influence on
the young Sylvius. But he developed this style and - it surely was only one
influence among many.
Baron makes a good reading regarding the development what he calls "mixed
style". He praises it as using the best from both (french and italian)
worlds and creating something new.

Best wishes
Thomas





Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 08.02.2005 08:37:10

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Thema: Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

>Actually Zamboni is flat and very simple music (often not much more than
>simple I-IV-V). Very entertaining but not comparable in any kind to the
music
>of Weiss

So what is really worth having for archlute solo? I only have
Gianoncelli 1650 right now. I'm expecting my archlute to arrive in
April, now.
--
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Saitama, Japan
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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

[Arto Wikla]

Dear Ed,

Ed Durbrow wrote:
> >Actually Zamboni is flat and very simple music (often not much more
> > than simple I-IV-V). Very entertaining but not comparable in any
> > kind to the music of Weiss
>
> So what is really worth having for archlute solo? I only have
> Gianoncelli 1650 right now. I'm expecting my archlute to arrive in
> April, now.

Don't believe everything they say!  ;-)

I think Zamboni is good music, he is not Weiss, he is not Bach, but 
neither is Bach Weiss, or Weiss Bach.  Luckily! But there is also other 
good late baroque music that the German style 

As someone already remarked, Zamboni's style belongs to the Scarlatti's  
(the younger) world. It is well written to the instrument - he was a 
profesional lutenist. 

And definitely Zamboni uses also other harmonies than I-IV-V.  Actually 
quite often.

All the best and happy waiting for the new instrument!

Arto



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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

[Ed Durbrow]

>Actually Zamboni is flat and very simple music (often not much more than
>simple I-IV-V). Very entertaining but not comparable in any kind to the music
>of Weiss

So what is really worth having for archlute solo? I only have 
Gianoncelli 1650 right now. I'm expecting my archlute to arrive in 
April, now.
-- 
Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/



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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

[LGS-Europe]

> Actually Zamboni is flat and very simple music (often not much more than
> simple I-IV-V). Very entertaining but not comparable in any kind to the 
> music
> of Weiss
'
I tend to agree: so much study to perform it well, so little result. But I 
do keep at least two sonatas in my repertoire, as they come in handy when 
playing archlute continuo and I need some later instrumental interlude. 
Audiences tend to like it though, and I can 'play around' with the music a 
lot: exaggertaed dynamics and other circus tricks to make it interesting. 
So, if we make an effort it's not too bad after all!

David 




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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

[Thomas Schall]

Dear Arto,

I tried to find out more about it but without result (actually I tried to 
figure out where they are and to get a copy). 
Maybe our collected wisdom can help.

Best wishes
Thomas

Am Montag, 7. Februar 2005 21:30 schrieb Arto Wikla:
> Dear Thomas
>
> > From the booklet of my CD:
>
> ...
>
> > recording, "Sonate in D'intovalatura di Leuto" was published in 1718.
> > Beyond that no further works of the composer are known - except a
> > collection of madrigals for 4 voices and continuo."
>
> Collection of madrigals with continuo by Zamboni! Very interesting! Do you
> have more information of these?
>
> Arto

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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

[Arto Wikla]

Dear Thomas

> From the booklet of my CD:
..
> recording, "Sonate in D'intovalatura di Leuto" was published in 1718. Beyond 
> that no further works of the composer are known - except a collection of 
> madrigals for 4 voices and continuo."

Collection of madrigals with continuo by Zamboni! Very interesting! Do you 
have more information of these?

Arto



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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

["Mathias Rösel"]

Roman Turovsky schrieb:
> I would say Corelli School influence is discernible in both.

indeed. -- 
Best wishes,

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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

["Mathias Rösel"]

 "Markus Lutz"  schrieb:
> As far as I can see in the booklet of the recording of Zamboni suites by 
> Luciano Contini, the biographical dates of Zamboni seem  to be very unsure. 
> The only thing that is known is that He was from 1707 to 1713 contra bass 
> player in Rome after being in service of the Dome in the city.
> The print of the suites is from 1718, "what has been overlooked for a long 
> time in the bibliographies" (Dinko Fabris in the booklet). 

certainly correct. I just messed up the by and large dates of Zamboni
and Dalla Casa. All I wanted to point at is that there is a certain
similarity in gestures and style between Zamboni and Weiss. By no means
did I intend to harm the reputation of incomparable SLWeiss.
-- 
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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

[Thomas Schall]

>From the booklet of my CD:
"The exact details of the life of the italian lutenist and composer Giovanni 
Zamboni Romano ("from Rome") are not known. We only know that Zamboni was 
employed as a church musician in Pisa from 1707 to 1713. The source for this 
recording, "Sonate in D'intovalatura di Leuto" was published in 1718. Beyond 
that no further works of the composer are known - except a collection of 
madrigals for 4 voices and continuo."

Thomas

m Montag, 7. Februar 2005 16:39 schrieb Markus Lutz:
> As far as I can see in the booklet of the recording of Zamboni suites b

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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

[Roman Turovsky]

> "LGS-Europe"  schrieb:
>> Make that Lucca, 1718. Or that's what it says in my SPES facsimile anayway.
>> Is there another print by Zamboni?
> 
> no, you are right and I stand corrected. Nevertheless, Zamboni's
> closeness to Weiss always striked my ears.
I would say Corelli School influence is discernible in both.
RT



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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

[Markus Lutz]

Would have been better to have looked up the dictionary earlier. 
"He had been in service of the cathedral of the city before." Don't know if 
dome is also possible in English. 

Markus

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As far as I can see in the booklet of the recording of Zamboni suites by 
Luciano Contini, the biographical dates of Zamboni seem  to be very unsure. 
The only thing that is known is that He was from 1707 to 1713 contra bass 
player in Rome after being in service of the Dome in the city.
The print of the suites is from 1718, "what has been overlooked for a long time 
in the bibliographies" (Dinko Fabris in the booklet). 

Best
Markus


On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:58:37 +0100, LGS-Europe wrote:

L> > with when he had returned to Germany. Later, Zamboni (print 1756) still
L>
L> Make that Lucca, 1718. Or that's what it says in my SPES facsimile anayway.
L> Is there another print by Zamboni?
L>
L> David
L>
L>
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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

[Markus Lutz]

As far as I can see in the booklet of the recording of Zamboni suites by 
Luciano Contini, the biographical dates of Zamboni seem  to be very unsure. 
The only thing that is known is that He was from 1707 to 1713 contra bass 
player in Rome after being in service of the Dome in the city.
The print of the suites is from 1718, "what has been overlooked for a long time 
in the bibliographies" (Dinko Fabris in the booklet). 

Best
Markus


On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:58:37 +0100, LGS-Europe wrote:

L> > with when he had returned to Germany. Later, Zamboni (print 1756) still
L>
L> Make that Lucca, 1718. Or that's what it says in my SPES facsimile anayway.
L> Is there another print by Zamboni?
L>
L> David
L>
L>
L>
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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

["Mathias Rösel"]

 "Thomas Schall"  schrieb:
> Actually Zamboni is flat and very simple music (often not much more than 
> simple I-IV-V). Very entertaining but not comparable in any kind to the music 
> of Weiss

okay, let's leave it there. I don't feel like discussing religion here.

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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

[Thomas Schall]

Actually Zamboni is flat and very simple music (often not much more than 
simple I-IV-V). Very entertaining but not comparable in any kind to the music 
of Weiss

Thomas

Am Sonntag, 6. Februar 2005 22:18 schrieb "Mathias Rösel":
>  "LGS-Europe"  schrieb:
> > Make that Lucca, 1718. Or that's what it says in my SPES facsimile
> > anayway. Is there another print by Zamboni?
>
> no, you are right and I stand corrected. Nevertheless, Zamboni's
> closeness to Weiss always striked my ears.
>
> --
> Best wishes,
>
> Mathias
> --
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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

["Mathias Rösel"]

 "LGS-Europe"  schrieb:
> Make that Lucca, 1718. Or that's what it says in my SPES facsimile anayway.
> Is there another print by Zamboni?

no, you are right and I stand corrected. Nevertheless, Zamboni's
closeness to Weiss always striked my ears.

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Mathias
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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

[Thomas Schall]

No - Zamboni is earlier. It's almost the time Weiss was at Rome (just a tiny 
bit later).

Around the date 1756 would be dalla Casa (1760). I think Pietro Prosser found 
manuscripts even from the early 19th century. Does anyone have access to that 
sources? I would be very interested to take a look at them. 

What kind of music does it contain, how is the notation? For which instrument? 

Best wishes
Thomas

Am Sonntag, 6. Februar 2005 20:58 schrieb LGS-Europe:
> > with when he had returned to Germany. Later, Zamboni (print 1756) still
>
> Make that Lucca, 1718. Or that's what it says in my SPES facsimile anayway.
> Is there another print by Zamboni?
>
> David
>
>
>
>
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Re: new pieces for lute - Zamboni

[LGS-Europe]

> with when he had returned to Germany. Later, Zamboni (print 1756) still

Make that Lucca, 1718. Or that's what it says in my SPES facsimile anayway.
Is there another print by Zamboni?

David




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