Re: [Lynx-dev] video/audio in lynx

[Jude DaShiell]

A mailcap entry might be useful.  A few of them are already shared on the
internet so it may be worthwhile searching mailcap mkv andsaving what you
find in a separate .mailcap.pat file and swapping each of them in and out
to see if any of them will do what you want.

-- 
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 9 Oct 2024, aalin...@riseup.net wrote:

> Further to my original message about not being able to launch
> audio/video files in lynx; I took Chime's suggestion to rename the *.mkv
> files.
> Unfortunately, it didn't seem to matter what extension I used and
> whether it was an audio file or video file, the result was the same -
> lynx proceeded to output the raw data and then stopped.
>
> I can achieve the result I want by using w3m but would much prefer to
> use lynx.
>
> Any suggestions/assistance is appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Arthur
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] rendering ♥, browsing washingtonpost.com

[Jude DaShiell]

could you pipe output through strings?  Not having tried that with lynx
yet I have no idea what it would do to the output.
maybe lynx -dump https://www.washingtonpost.com/ | strings
might help.


-- 
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024, rbell--- via Lynx-dev wrote:

>   I don't know when it started, but lynx renders ♥ as <3
> , as well as ♥ and ♥  I tried 2.9.2.
>   A week or so ago lynx started hanging when accessing
> washingtonpost.com ; links works.
>
> russell bell
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] Why Does Politico Think I am Not Reading their News-Letters?

[Jude DaShiell]

Another possible case could be chime isn't saving cookies sent by politico
and politico uses cookies to track who reads their newsletter and who
doesn't read their newsletter.  I don't know for certain in this case
though.  It may need a cookie jar configured and to have politico's cookie
saved in that jar to get credit for reading their newsletter.


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 7 Aug 2024, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Hi Chime,
> Here is my personal experience with this situation, with  some seasoning from
> places that have done this to me.
> Granted it depends on their newsletter client, but some are configured for a
> certain kind of trigger to indicate a link has been activated.  A tap, or a
> mouse click, not necessarily  the enter key.
> So, when I get an email like the one you got, I always contact the source
> reminding them that many readers are accessing their content in a low graphics
> environment..that may not trigger what constitutes an indication that you are
> reading.
> Many email clients also do what alpine does, confirm you want to follow a
> link, and that also may not count as being opened.
> Every time I have shared this, the source has been thankful to learn. Many can
> only test with their own computers.
>
> Its best to tell them, its not so much about accessibility as the many ways an
> item can be opened that need not involve a mouse.
> Does that resonate?
> Kare
>
>
>
> On Wed, 7 Aug 2024, Chime Hart wrote:
>
> > Hi All: Several weeks ago Politico wrote-and-said because I am not opening
> > their mailings, they are going to free up space in my inbox. Well, yes,
> > because all Politico news-letters are much easier reading as html, I open
> > them from Alpine through Lynx. When I view an html file this way, am I
> > reading it internally or actually visit politico.com?
> > So we subscribed again to several of these, but this seems to happen from
> > time2time. Many times I click through article or video links, so how can
> > they say I am not opening their news-letters? Thanks so much in advance for
> > your analysis.
> > Chime
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] magnets and lynx

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks, I'm glad lynx can do this too.


-- 
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, Ben Collver wrote:

> I have the following in my lynx.cfg:
>
> EXTERNAL:magnet:xdg-open %s &:TRUE
>
> When i select a magnet: link, i can press '.' to open it.
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] magnets and lynx

[Jude DaShiell]

I seem to remember alternates or .mailcap in this context but that was a
long time ago and I lost the message traffic.


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, David Woolley wrote:

> On 05/08/2024 09:58, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > I have bittorrent clients and there are pages on the web describing how to
> > do this using other browsers.  search for how to download a magnet and
> > you'll find those pages.
>
> Firefox has a mechanism to call external programs based on the URI scheme, as
> well as on payload content-type.  I'm not sure if Lynx has an equivalent, but
> if it did there would be a file that you edited that mapped the magnet scheme
> to µTorrent, or similar.
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] magnets and lynx

[Jude DaShiell]

Hi Karen, I work with magnets on my refrigerator and freezer door they're
both cats.  Those doors need to remain closed unless food is being put in
or removed and the magnets are partly on the refrigerator and partly on
the side edges of the freezer and refrigerator doors.


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Hi Jude,
> Just a suggestion, but perhaps provide more details?
> The only magnets I  personally work with  are on my fridge door  smiles.
> Kare
>
>
>
> On Sun, 4 Aug 2024, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > How can a magnet be opened and downloaded with lynx?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jude 
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
> > Please use in that order."
> > Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] magnets and lynx

[Jude DaShiell]

I have bittorrent clients and there are pages on the web describing how to
do this using other browsers.  search for how to download a magnet and
you'll find those pages.


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 5 Aug 2024, Chuck Martin wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 04, 2024 at 11:35:20PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > How can a magnet be opened and downloaded with lynx?
>
> Magnet links are for torrents.  You'll need a bittorrent client for
> that, not a web browser, as it's not a part of the web.
>

[Lynx-dev] magnets and lynx

[Jude DaShiell]

How can a magnet be opened and downloaded with lynx?


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

Re: [Lynx-dev] question for fichub.net users?

[Jude DaShiell]

have alternate user-agents been tried with any good effect?


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Sat, 27 Jul 2024, Rudy Vener wrote:

> I visited fichub.net, navigated to Popular Page, and selected For Love Of 
> Magic.
> After that I was stuck in a never ending loop that landed me on a refresh 
> page that
> directed me to enable javascript and cookies.
>
> This was on
> Lynx Version 2.9.0dev.9 (01 Aug 2021)
> libwww-FM 2.14, SSL-MM 1.4.1, OpenSSL 1.1.1t, ncurses 6.2.20200212(wide)
> Built on netbsd9.1 (Oct 27 2021 10:14:17).
>
> Rudy
>
> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 01:35:48PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > Memory serves there is at least one lynx user here who downloads works from
> > fichub.
> > www.fichub.net
> >
> > In fact I believe they are  behind the zip html format provided there.
> > Recently when I visit the site, and type in a story link for fanfiction.net
> > I get a minus 9 msg internal error.
> > There are a few reasons why this might be Shellworld.net,  > still has not  provided proper ptr and dns address records, might be the
> > cause.
> > Its why I want to have another lynx user aware of the site try to use lynx
> > for  a download.
> > Thanks,
> > Karen
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] directv blocking lynx

[Jude DaShiell]

they're also blocking elinks and w3m.  Thanks for the heads up on links
though.


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Fri, 5 Jul 2024, Chime Hart wrote:

> Well Jude, for me it just hangs, but it does work in L I N K S. While its
> great they have accessibility in these devices, they say they will never have
> it in AT&T U-Verse, as they will never build another box. I know this as I
> filed an FCC complaint.
> Chime
>
>
>

[Lynx-dev] directv blocking lynx

[Jude DaShiell]

https://www.directv.com/support/article/74707


-- 
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

Re: [Lynx-dev] [Panix #37267] Information about the current document (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

-- 
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2024 10:39:15
From: Ken Dunlap via RT 
To: jdash...@panix.com
Subject: Re: [Panix #37267] Information about the current document

Yes, it is.  Look at the html.  It will look like
jdashiel

I have confirmed multiple times that the link exists in lynx, and
that the link text is your username.  I suggest you take a long hard
look at your screenreader if it is not giving you that text.

Ken

Quoth Jude DaShiell via RT (rt-support-comm...@panix.com):
> jdashiel isn't in the text on any of those links, so maybe in some form of
> encoding 13605=jdashiel but I don't know which form of encoding so I can't
> check that out.  It could be lynx doesn't like aria, I'm on the lynx-dev
> list so I could ask about that.
>
>
> --
>  Jude 
>  "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
>  Please use in that order."
>  Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2024, Ken Dunlap via RT wrote:
>
> > Quoth Jude DaShiell via RT (rt-support-comm...@panix.com):
> > > File that you are currently viewing
> > >
> > >Linkname:Panix Config
> > > URL:https://config.panix.com/shell/13605/13605/edit
> > > Charset:utf-8
> > >  Server:Apache/2.4.58 (Unix) OpenSSL/1.1.1t
> > >Date:Tue, 09 Apr 2024 14:13:20 GMT
> > > Expires:Mon, 01 Jan 1990 00:00:00 GMT
> > >Cache-Control:no-store
> > >Content-Length:11701 bytes
> > >Owner(s):None
> > >size:63 lines
> > >mode:forms mode, no-cache
> > >
> > > Link that you currently have selected
> > >
> > >Linkname:https://config.panix.com/shell/13605/13605/edit
> > > URL:https://config.panix.com/shell/13605/13605/edit
> > >
> >
> > That is the link in question.  I'm not sure what lynx thinks a 'Linkname'
> > is, but the link TEXT is 'jdashiel' or your current disk allotment in MB, 
> > depending
> > on which link you landed on.  I changed that latter from plain text to a 
> > link
> > when I added the aria labels.
> >
> > Ken
> >
>
>
-- 
I use the words you taught me. If they don't mean anything any more,
teach me others. Or let me be silent.
Samuel Beckett (Clov, Endgame)

[Lynx-dev] lynx and aria

[Jude DaShiell]

Do the two of these get along?  An aria element got added to a web page
which was supposed to display my username but instead displayed 13605.
Is that some kind of code for jdashiel and if so which coding system do
you use to produce that number?


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

Re: [Lynx-dev] editors and spell checking?

[Jude DaShiell]

Did pico have a configuration file?  Nano has nano.conf available for use.


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, tsie...@softcon.com wrote:

> Pico and nano are basically the same editor, just a later version, (you know,
> pico is version 1.0, nano is version 2.0).
>
> The way to run aspell or spell is exactly the same regardless of the name of
> the editor in this case.
>
> ctrl-t asks you what program to run, type spell or aspell, depending on what
> you have installed, and you're all done.
>
> That's all there is to it.
>
> And, just for reference, Nano uses the same exact keystrokes as pico, I know,
> because I used pico for years before it got switched to nano, and I've not
> changed a single thing in how I use the program, and it still does everything
> exactly the same as it did before.
>
> No difference.
>
>
> On 4/2/2024 11:25 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > apparently?
> > There is more to this  solution, at least where the speller is concerned.
> > the editor in lynx in use is pico..cannot fault them there, I prefer it to
> > nano as well.
> > Alpine in their setup is using aspell for spell checking, so they want to
> > add this on the  editor line.
> > Pico runs fine by itself when added to the editor line in  the lynx options
> > menu.  but it does not seem to provide   things like alternative words, or
> > look up or anything as if a speller was in use...meaning something  else is
> > required.
> > Apparently adding the line as it appears in the alpine setup screen is not
> > working either.
> > Does pico need a configuration file to run with a spell checker?
> > thanks,
> > Karen
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, Tim Chase wrote:
> >
> >> Replying inline
> >>
> >> On 2024-04-02 15:33, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >>> I am helping someone resolve an issue, they have access to lynx, but the
> >>> editor field is blank.
> >>> They are using Ubuntu.
> >>
> >> If they're already comfortable with a preferred editor, you can
> >> tell Lynx to use that on the command-line with the "-editor" option:
> >>
> >>  $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/nano http://example.com
> >>
> >> They might even have configured their system to use "sensible-editor"
> >> in which case
> >>
> >>  $ lynx -editor=/usr/bin/sensible-editor http://example.com
> >>
> >> should invoke their preferred editor.
> >>
> >> Alternatively, you can use "o" to go to the lynx options, check the
> >> "Save options to disk" checkbox, set the Editor value in there, and
> >> save the options.
> >>
> >> Strangely, lynx doesn't honor the common method of setting either
> >> the $EDITOR or $VISUAL environment variable.
> >>
> >>> In alpine for example there is a field for editor, and one for spell
> >>> checking, I admit to thinking they worked together as in are software
> >>> dependent.
> >>
> >> They can be the same thing or they can be different tools.  Some
> >> editors have spell-check support, some don't; so you might want an
> >> external spell-checker.
> >>
> >>> Does lynx work the same?  meaning does there need to be one field
> >>> for the editor and one for spell checker?
> >>
> >> I don't think lynx has anything spell-checking-related, just
> >> editor-related.  However, if they use an editor with built-in
> >> spell-checking, that would do the trick.
> >>
> >>> or is it enough to make sure the chosen editor is configured
> >>> to use the desired spell checker.  meaning adding the editor will
> >>> allow for spell checking as well?
> >>
> >> I believe this is the case.  I know that vim and emacs both have
> >> support for spell-checking.  And nano does too if you enable it and
> >> add a spell-checking package:
> >>
> >>  $ sudo apt-get install spell
> >>
> >> With the spell-checker installed, you should be able to use control+t
> >> in nano to spell-check the file.
> >>
> >> Hopefully that helps,
> >>
> >> -tim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] ANN: lynx2.9.0

[Jude DaShiell]

if /etc/lynx.cfg hasn't had changes, two changes on line 457 may help.
Change iso-8859-1 to US-ASCII and also uncomment that line.


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 16 Jan 2024, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> The package being used is likely rdrview-git from the aur repository on
> archlinux.
>
>
> --
>  Jude 
>  "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
>  Please use in that order."
>  Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2024, Chime Hart wrote:
>
> > Thank you Jude for those good ideas, however, I almost never use espeak, as 
> > I
> > am running Speakup with a DecTalk. Most times I only see those charactors 
> > when
> > useing rdrview.
> > Chime
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] ANN: lynx2.9.0

[Jude DaShiell]

The package being used is likely rdrview-git from the aur repository on
archlinux.


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 16 Jan 2024, Chime Hart wrote:

> Thank you Jude for those good ideas, however, I almost never use espeak, as I
> am running Speakup with a DecTalk. Most times I only see those charactors when
> useing rdrview.
> Chime
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] ANN: lynx2.9.0

[Jude DaShiell]

First try piping the article through the strings filter and see if strings
removes those unwanted characters.  Second, put the url for the article up
on the lynx-dev mailing list so someone that doesn't use espeak can have a
look at that article and let you know if those are ansi characters.  There
may be other programs in Linux that can filter out ansi characters if
these are ansi characters if strings doesn't work.  Finally put a request
up on the espeak mailing list for espeak to grow an ansi stripping
capability.  Such a request for fenrir wouldn't go amiss either.


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 16 Jan 2024, Chime Hart wrote:

> Well, Jude, Speakup says they are tildas, along with a capital B and capital
> D. Either way, how would I fix these? Thanks in advance
> Chime
>
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] ANN: lynx2.9.0

[Jude DaShiell]

Found no tildes in your example message, could what is coming up for you
be ansi characters?

-- 
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 16 Jan 2024, Chime Hart wrote:

> Well, `thank you so much. While I know for you, that was a simple solution, it
> solved several major inconveniences. Seems each time I update and install
> manually, I have similar issues. Anyway, looks as if all are back to nornal
> again.
> Unrelated, while I am here, I am useing rdrview with LYNX to read web-pages
> without any tool-bars. While many pages load just fine, the text of articles
> have these anoying tildas, like this example:
> Israel   ~B  ~D s Argument at The Hague: We are Incapable of Genocide
> Please inform what change I would need to make to get rid of those? Thanks
> once again
> Chime
>
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] Support .mhtml

[Jude DaShiell]

Then you'll need a more complex .mailcap entry than what may already be
online.  First you take a standard mhtml mailcap entry and then add a
filter to it to pull the text out of that mhtml file.  For now I don't
know if a mailcap entry that can display mhtml exists yet.


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Fri, 12 Jan 2024, Dan Jacobson wrote:

> But I want to see the file in lynx.
> I don't care if I can't see the images.
> I just want to see the text version, just like
> if I did lynx -dump index.html .
> If I wanted to see the full blown version,
> I would just use chrome to view it.
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] Support .mhtml

[Jude DaShiell]

Your .mailcap file is missing instructions to properly display the
extension that's on that file.


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Fri, 12 Jan 2024, Dan Jacobson wrote:

> On my chomebook with chrome I save a file, and it makes a "mhtml"
> file. E.g., Downloads/Mapping USA 2024 _ OpenStreetMap US.mhtml .
> Later offline, chrome has no problem opening that file.
> But in lynx or w3m one just sees
>
> From: 
> Snapshot-Content-Location: https://openstreetmap.us/events/mapping-usa/
> Subject: Mapping USA 2024 | OpenStreetMap US
> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 22:15:27 +0800
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/related;
> type="text/html";
>
>

[Lynx-dev] can this be done?

[Jude DaShiell]

When buttons appear on web pages, could lynx turn those buttons into
executable links?
This would make wiki pages more useable for lynx users not to mention
githib and gitlab pages.


--
 Jude 
 "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
 Please use in that order."
 Ed Howdershelt 1940.

Re: [Lynx-dev] In fact..on cookies.

[Jude DaShiell]

When google bounces a message, that's something for shellworld admin staff
to look at and address for you perhaps in addition to google staff.  Your
shellworld.net account may need adjusting so the bounces end.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Sat, 25 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> I am personally beginning to fear that Luke himself*tampered*
> with my lynx cookies file given the ones I cannot find.
> How I reached gmail here was quite specific, over the years google considered
> my shellworld address, reconfirming after that changed, to be my home computer
> where lynx was concerned.
> Unfortunately shellworld email is sometimes being blocked by google too, some
> required authentication process, with many professional ones bouncing for me.
> I realize folks just change tools, for many reasons though physical and
> otherwise, this is not often something I can do.
> I will add that I have scores of professional files, communications, even
> legal items tied to my karen.lewel...@gmail.com account.
> even google accessibility states I should still have access to basic, warning
> not withstanding.
> Maybe I am just being paranoid, many many things are happening for me, quite
> the emotional ride if I am honest.
> account tampering though?
> thanks,
> Kare
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?

[Jude DaShiell]

Panix actually tested both webmail apps running them with lynx to find out
if I could use either of them and learned that wasn't possible since
certain essential controls in both apps are proprietary controls not
standard web controls.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> ..and you just shared that roundcube and squirrel mail do not work there.
> When I sought to work with them as well, they were quite quite hostile to my
> needs..plus for me that would be far more expensive then here, my site is at
> shellworld as well.
> Kare
>
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > Panix offers web accounts and telnet accounts.  I got a telnet account for
> > $100 a year.
> >
> >
> > -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >
> >
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?

[Jude DaShiell]

Either way, that's a bad deal.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Actually, that is untrue.
> Shellworld owners are intent on deciding what  email we can and cannot see,
> including items an individual may consider spam but they do not, and clearly
> the other way around as well.
> There is a difference.
> its not that we get lots of spam. Instead we end up not getting email  the
> individual knows should get through, with  a third party making the decision.
> As an example, my bank cannot reach me at all now.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > Maybe others can help here, users can install their own copy of
> > spamassassin though that needs some work to do it correctly.  Another
> > possibility may be procmail and that needs some study to set recipes up
> > correctly.
> > It seems to me shellworld.net is intent on keeping its users open to spam.
> >
> >
> > -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> >> Have you a trash folder or junkmail folder?
> >>
> >>
> >> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> >> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> >> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >>
> >> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >>
> >>> Agree about spam assassin.
> >>> However the owners of shellworld disliked the program, so instead of
> >>> individual  choice for users, they took the choice away from everyone.
> >>> did try to use my password at gmail, likely the code got filtered as
> >>> spam..for
> >>> which I have no folder.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> panix.com has both roundcube and squirrelmail but we found both of those
> >>>> interfaces are inaccessible for command line users of linux so although I
> >>>> could set them up I couldn't access them effectively.  That's why I am
> >>>> using spamassassin.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Jude 
> >>>> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> >>>> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
> >>>> Please use in that order."
> >>>> Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi folks,
> >>>>> As some may know google is force feeding the removal of access for basic
> >>>>> html.
> >>>>> For me personally this presents several issues, shellworld is amazing in
> >>>>> general, but the owners have removed the right to review spam here all
> >>>>> together.
> >>>>> There is a thread over at DOS ain't dead about providers who  still have
> >>>>> web
> >>>>> interfaces, using roundcube or squirrel mail, someone even spoke of
> >>>>> fastmail.
> >>>>> Anyone know of  either an email service that incorporates these lower
> >>>>> graphics
> >>>>> interfaces, or host mail  in a way that allows  full detailed inbox
> >>>>> access
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> a reliable way.
> >>>>> Even Links with its JavaScript touches, and elinks when compiled for
> >>>>> JavaScript might be an option, but asking about Lynx in case I have
> >>>>> missed
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> door.
> >>>>> Am a bit shaky here, lots of please fit into our disability box, or
> >>>>> there
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> no place for our freakishness stuff in my life lately.
> >>>>> I do not want to chance a gmail login, until i know where I am
> >>>>> going..shellworld is my alternative address for gmail, and with no spam
> >>>>> folder
> >>>>> I might miss the two factor  code option.
> >>>>> Lynx ideas for email?
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Karen
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?

[Jude DaShiell]

Panix offers web accounts and telnet accounts.  I got a telnet account for
$100 a year.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?

[Jude DaShiell]

Maybe others can help here, users can install their own copy of
spamassassin though that needs some work to do it correctly.  Another
possibility may be procmail and that needs some study to set recipes up
correctly.
It seems to me shellworld.net is intent on keeping its users open to spam.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Have you a trash folder or junkmail folder?
>
>
> -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
>
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>
> > Agree about spam assassin.
> > However the owners of shellworld disliked the program, so instead of
> > individual  choice for users, they took the choice away from everyone.
> > did try to use my password at gmail, likely the code got filtered as 
> > spam..for
> > which I have no folder.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> > > panix.com has both roundcube and squirrelmail but we found both of those
> > > interfaces are inaccessible for command line users of linux so although I
> > > could set them up I couldn't access them effectively.  That's why I am
> > > using spamassassin.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jude 
> > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
> > > Please use in that order."
> > > Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi folks,
> > >> As some may know google is force feeding the removal of access for basic
> > >> html.
> > >> For me personally this presents several issues, shellworld is amazing in
> > >> general, but the owners have removed the right to review spam here all
> > >> together.
> > >> There is a thread over at DOS ain't dead about providers who  still have
> > >> web
> > >> interfaces, using roundcube or squirrel mail, someone even spoke of
> > >> fastmail.
> > >> Anyone know of  either an email service that incorporates these lower
> > >> graphics
> > >> interfaces, or host mail  in a way that allows  full detailed inbox 
> > >> access
> > >> in
> > >> a reliable way.
> > >> Even Links with its JavaScript touches, and elinks when compiled for
> > >> JavaScript might be an option, but asking about Lynx in case I have 
> > >> missed
> > >> a
> > >> door.
> > >> Am a bit shaky here, lots of please fit into our disability box, or there
> > >> is
> > >> no place for our freakishness stuff in my life lately.
> > >> I do not want to chance a gmail login, until i know where I am
> > >> going..shellworld is my alternative address for gmail, and with no spam
> > >> folder
> > >> I might miss the two factor  code option.
> > >> Lynx ideas for email?
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Karen
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?

[Jude DaShiell]

Have you a trash folder or junkmail folder?


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Agree about spam assassin.
> However the owners of shellworld disliked the program, so instead of
> individual  choice for users, they took the choice away from everyone.
> did try to use my password at gmail, likely the code got filtered as spam..for
> which I have no folder.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > panix.com has both roundcube and squirrelmail but we found both of those
> > interfaces are inaccessible for command line users of linux so although I
> > could set them up I couldn't access them effectively.  That's why I am
> > using spamassassin.
> >
> > --
> > Jude 
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
> > Please use in that order."
> > Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >
> >> Hi folks,
> >> As some may know google is force feeding the removal of access for basic
> >> html.
> >> For me personally this presents several issues, shellworld is amazing in
> >> general, but the owners have removed the right to review spam here all
> >> together.
> >> There is a thread over at DOS ain't dead about providers who  still have
> >> web
> >> interfaces, using roundcube or squirrel mail, someone even spoke of
> >> fastmail.
> >> Anyone know of  either an email service that incorporates these lower
> >> graphics
> >> interfaces, or host mail  in a way that allows  full detailed inbox access
> >> in
> >> a reliable way.
> >> Even Links with its JavaScript touches, and elinks when compiled for
> >> JavaScript might be an option, but asking about Lynx in case I have missed
> >> a
> >> door.
> >> Am a bit shaky here, lots of please fit into our disability box, or there
> >> is
> >> no place for our freakishness stuff in my life lately.
> >> I do not want to chance a gmail login, until i know where I am
> >> going..shellworld is my alternative address for gmail, and with no spam
> >> folder
> >> I might miss the two factor  code option.
> >> Lynx ideas for email?
> >> Thanks,
> >> Karen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and webmail interfaces?

[Jude DaShiell]

panix.com has both roundcube and squirrelmail but we found both of those
interfaces are inaccessible for command line users of linux so although I
could set them up I couldn't access them effectively.  That's why I am
using spamassassin.

-- 
Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
Please use in that order."
Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Hi folks,
> As some may know google is force feeding the removal of access for basic html.
> For me personally this presents several issues, shellworld is amazing in
> general, but the owners have removed the right to review spam here all
> together.
> There is a thread over at DOS ain't dead about providers who  still have web
> interfaces, using roundcube or squirrel mail, someone even spoke of fastmail.
> Anyone know of  either an email service that incorporates these lower graphics
> interfaces, or host mail  in a way that allows  full detailed inbox access in
> a reliable way.
> Even Links with its JavaScript touches, and elinks when compiled for
> JavaScript might be an option, but asking about Lynx in case I have missed a
> door.
> Am a bit shaky here, lots of please fit into our disability box, or there is
> no place for our freakishness stuff in my life lately.
> I do not want to chance a gmail login, until i know where I am
> going..shellworld is my alternative address for gmail, and with no spam folder
> I might miss the two factor  code option.
> Lynx ideas for email?
> Thanks,
> Karen
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] Crisis Magazine in L Y N X

[Jude DaShiell]

Error checking I consider housekeeping.  I have no problem with javascript
on a page so long as any browser can work the page without javascript
bitching at people who use browsers that don't support javascript.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Thu, 21 Sep 2023, Mouse wrote:

> > Correctly written web sites use java script for housekeeping behind
> > the scenes and nothing more.
>
> Depending on what you mean by "housekeeping", there's also a place for
> optimizations, such as client-side checking of form fields for obvious
> errors before submitting the form.  (A simple example is checking that
> a required field is nonempty.)
>
> I'd also argue that there can be such a thing as a correctly written
> page that actually depends on Javascript.  For example, I have a (so
> far very partial) card game which is designed to run in-browser, with
> the client side being written in JavaScript.  Turn off JavaScript and
> it won't work, yes, but I see that as no different from, say, something
> written in Python failing to run for lack of a Python interpreter.
>
> The problem, to my mind, arises when a page could degrade gracefully
> when faced with lack of JS, but doesn't.
>
> I'm not sure how I feel about things like, say, "Enable JavaScript to
> see comments on this post" when it could be done but, in the opinion of
> the page's provider/author, just isn't worth the resource investment.
>
> /~\ The ASCII   Mouse
> \ / Ribbon Campaign
>  X  Against HTML  mo...@rodents-montreal.org
> / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39  4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] Crisis Magazine in L Y N X

[Jude DaShiell]

Developers don't know how to correctly write web sites.  Correctly written
web sites never show that warning or complaint.  Correctly written web
sites use java script for housekeeping behind the scenes and nothing more.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Thu, 21 Sep 2023, Chime Hart wrote:

> Hi All: Well, when my google news alert for "cuban missile crisis" sent me to
> this article, I am noticing only L Y N X cannot get there. I first get a 403
> error, but then if I fool with a user-agent, it says something like, please
> enable javascript. Well, both e links, links, and w3m can all reach this
> article.
> https://crisismagazine.com/opinion/the-choice-between-war-and-humiliation
> I am seeing more of this kind of thing lately. Thanks in advance for any
> analysis.
> Chime
>
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] view full url instead of short in webpage

[Jude DaShiell]

I forgot to mention the = key is a toggle between original lynx display
and the more information display.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023, jindam via Lynx-dev wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 01:39:11 -0400
> Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>
> > I found the = key very helpful in this respect.
>
> We just need to zelect url and voila,
> full url is revealed
> Works perfectly for single url :)
>
> Regards,
> jindam
>
> > Usually the second
> > URL: entry is the one to use to open the web page, but not always.
> >
> >
> > -- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used
> > in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in
> > that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >
> > On Thu, 20 Apr 2023, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> >
> > > jindam vani via Lynx-dev dixit:
> > >
> > > >How?
> > >
> > > Chage user mode to advanced, or use the ] key or the l key.
> > >
> > > Or probably more different ways… these three are the ones I have at
> > > the top of my head.
> > >
> > > bye,
> > > //mirabilos
> > >
>
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] view full url instead of short in webpage

[Jude DaShiell]

I found the = key very helpful in this respect.  Usually the second URL:
entry is the one to use to open the web page, but not always.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023, Thorsten Glaser wrote:

> jindam vani via Lynx-dev dixit:
>
> >How?
>
> Chage user mode to advanced, or use the ] key or the l key.
>
> Or probably more different ways… these three are the ones I have at
> the top of my head.
>
> bye,
> //mirabilos
>

[Lynx-dev] urls longer than 1024 characters

[Jude DaShiell]

Would it be possible for lynx to count the characters in an url and if the
url is longer than 1024 characters offer to send the long url to an url
shortening service and then catch the shortened url the service sent back
and then open that shortened url instead?
If lynx gets one of these shortened urls, will the url expansion on the
other end cause lynx to error out or will the shortened url actually
bypass the 1024 character limit on urls?
I don't know that the internet has an actual limit on url length either.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: [Lynx-dev] a solution for this problem?

[Jude DaShiell]

There's the = sign command in lynx that shows information about a page and
the URL closest to the bottom of that output may be the needed link.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 14 Jan 2023, Bela Lubkin wrote:

> Karen Lewellen wrote:
>
> > However, when I hit enter on this link, I get a badly formed address
> > error...which I admit is new.
>
> Can you find out what that badly formed address link is?  I'm not sure
> which of these might work:
>
> - `lynx -source the_problem_page > problem-page.html`, then examine that
> - use backslash 'view source' while in Lynx on the problem page
> - '=' command inside Lynx, on the problem page, while on the problem link
> - running the whole thing under `lynx -trace` and digging it out of the
>   wreckage
>
> It could be as simple as them using some sort of wrong HTML or URL
> encoding which other browsers 'know' and silently fix -- or as
> unreachable as the URL has to be decoded from some sort of crypto by
> a JavaScript routine...
>
> >Bela<
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] For your protection, access to this resource is secured against CSRF.

[Jude DaShiell]

panix uses roundcube and tested it for me with lynx and found roundcube
inaccessible.  The squirrelmail application had no better luck with lynx
either.  That's why my email management is on spamassassin so it can be
run from the command line.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 2 Jan 2023, jindam.vani--- via Lynx-dev wrote:

> i am running lynx on debian bullseye
> i receive error clicking logout on webmail.disroot.org
> error: "For your protection, access to this resource
> is secured against CSRF. If you see this, you
> probably didn't log out before leaving the web
> application."
> disroot use roundcube for email
> there was issue [1] tagged as invalid for the error
> how do i resolve issue?
>
> [1] https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/issues/5175
>
> regards,
> jindam, vani
>
> Gnus/5.13 Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux)
> toots: @jindam_vani@mastodon.world
> gnome: w.wiki/67VT
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] in overrides from

[Jude DaShiell]

One of the big problems with this is web pages where the first link is
some sort of rss feed and that's what lynx saves as the title unless
you're aware and observant and clear out what lynx wants to save.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Thu, 29 Dec 2022, rbell--- via Lynx-dev wrote:

>   Quoth Rene Kita: 'When you open a page in lynx which contains
> a  element which itself has a  element lynx will use the
> SVG's title as title for the page.'
>   I pointed this out years ago.  lynx seems to use the last
> title it finds.  I spent a few minutes trying to figure out how to
> make it use the first, gave up.
>
> russell bell
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] unable to launch website from bookmarks

[Jude DaShiell]

I use the / key followed by the search term to do that.  I didn't know
about v so will read up on that one.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, jindam, vani via Lynx-dev wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 22:22:48 -0500
> (EST) Karen Lewellen
>  wrote:
>
> > Hi Jindam,
> > I cannot personally speak to your
> > setup. Still when I want to
> > launch something from my
> > bookmarks in lynx, I chose the v
> > as in vavavavoom Because my links
> > are numbered  choice is set, I
> > can find the bookmark that way,
> > helpful if you have many, I
> > personally have over 800
> > bookmarks now. I will admit that
> > how you saved the  bookmark
> > differs from my experience as
> > well though. can you test out
> > using the v command learning if
> > the bookmark is there? Karen
>
> pressing "v" shows:
>
>  1. mutt-wizard
>  2. DuckDuckGo (Lite)
>
> use up/down arrow & click enter
>
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Nov 2022, jindam, vani
> > via Lynx-dev wrote:
> >
> > > lynx on debian bullseye.
> > >
> > > visit: duckduckgo.com
> > > press "a"
> > > press "l"
> > > press "v"
> > > enter duckduckgo.com
> > > it shows option: download or
> > > cancel option
> > >
> > > how do i open website from
> > > bookmarks?
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > jindam, vani
> > >
> > > toots: @jindam_v...@c.im
> > > others:
> > > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jindam_vani
> > >
> > >
>
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] freelists.org and lynx; colors on INS: or DEL:

[Jude DaShiell]

Hi Karen,

Yes I was able to subscribe but did it with links and not lynx.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 15 Oct 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Jude,
> were you able to subscribe at freelist.org?
> Recently that had added a barrier, so am wondering.
> Karen
>
>
>
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022, rbell--- via Lynx-dev wrote:
>
> > Wrote Jude DaShiell, 'I noticed in the options box for lynx
> > was all manner of strange accent characters but links filtered those
> > out.  Can I set something on lynx to have lynx filter those characters
> > out too?'
> > I don't see it.  Perhaps the character set?  found in the
> > options menu.
> >
> >
> > Wrote "jindam, vani", 'i want to assign or view background or
> > foreground colors for INS: or DEL:'
> > Would setting colors for ins and del in the main styles help?
> > I just set:
> >
> >  del:blue:yellow
> >  ins:yellow:blue
> >
> > in the first section and the foreground colors came out as specified
> > but the background remained the default.  I've never used prettysource
> > so I'll leave that to experts.
> >
> > russell bell
> >
> >
>
>

[Lynx-dev] freelists.org and lynx

[Jude DaShiell]

I tried subscribing to an email list on freelists.org using first lynx
then later links.
A difference I noticed in the options box for lynx was all manner of
strange accent characters but links filtered those out.
Can I set something on lynx to have lynx filter those characters out too?



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

[Lynx-dev] w3m as a web browser

[Jude DaShiell]

Doesn't make it.  Maybe useful as a local file browser for screen reader
users but that's all for now.  Google puts all page content on a single
line and that wouldn't be so bad except once that's done activating any of
the controls is miss or rarely hit at best.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: [Lynx-dev] ot: w3m question?

[Jude DaShiell]

I think maybe configuring w3m may help.  I need to research that first
though before writing any more.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Interestingly enough I tried it with google first, hitting entre on  the spot
> where the search box should be, which worked.
> However, my actual goal which is providing a password on a secure site, failed
> to open the password entry field.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > From what I read, the form entry has first to be selected before it can be
> > edited.  Now, how in w3m you locate controls with text and without color
> > is I think an accessibility problem of w3m.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty:
> > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> >> Typing enter on a form entry that's an edit box does not get focus changed
> >> to edit mode in w3m with the version of w3m running on my machine.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> >> defense of liberty:
> >> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> >> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >>
> >>> Haven't used w3m for a while, but when I did if memory serves hitting
> >>> enter on the place where the text box is supposed to appear got me into
> >>> editing that text box.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> >>> defense of liberty:
> >>> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> >>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >>>
> >>> .
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>> only asking because the browser has been referenced when others
> >>>> encountered
> >>>> lynx  situations.
> >>>> Is there a specific command to make text boxes appear, so one can type in
> >>>> them?
> >>>> consider doing a search as an example, although that is not my goal.
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Karen
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] ot: w3m question?

[Jude DaShiell]

If you run w3m -v you can send a comment to the author.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Travis Siegel wrote:

> Hah.  I ran into a completely different error.  I went to a page that requires
> a password to access the page.  It actually needs a login (username and
> password), but when I did that with w3m, it core dumped, telling me "wrong
> data start/end pair"
>
> No clud what that means, but there's obviously problems with login /password
> fields.  Maybe that's what you're experiencing. 
>
> Like I said, never used the program before just now to test your issue.
>
>
> On 9/16/2022 11:20 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > Interestingly enough I tried it with google first, hitting entre on  the
> > spot where the search box should be, which worked.
> > However, my actual goal which is providing a password on a secure site,
> > failed to open the password entry field.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> >> From what I read, the form entry has first to be selected before it can be
> >> edited.  Now, how in w3m you locate controls with text and without color
> >> is I think an accessibility problem of w3m.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> >> defense of liberty:
> >> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> >> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >>
> >>> Typing enter on a form entry that's an edit box does not get focus changed
> >>> to edit mode in w3m with the version of w3m running on my machine.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> >>> defense of liberty:
> >>>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> >>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >>>
> >>> .
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Haven't used w3m for a while, but when I did if memory serves hitting
> >>>> enter on the place where the text box is supposed to appear got me into
> >>>> editing that text box.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> >>>> defense of liberty:
> >>>>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> >>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >>>>
> >>>> .
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>> only asking because the browser has been referenced when others
> >>>>> encountered
> >>>>> lynx  situations.
> >>>>> Is there a specific command to make text boxes appear, so one can type
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> them?
> >>>>> consider doing a search as an example, although that is not my goal.
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Karen
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] ot: w3m question?

[Jude DaShiell]

>From what I read, the form entry has first to be selected before it can be
edited.  Now, how in w3m you locate controls with text and without color
is I think an accessibility problem of w3m.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Typing enter on a form entry that's an edit box does not get focus changed
> to edit mode in w3m with the version of w3m running on my machine.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > Haven't used w3m for a while, but when I did if memory serves hitting
> > enter on the place where the text box is supposed to appear got me into
> > editing that text box.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > > only asking because the browser has been referenced when others 
> > > encountered
> > > lynx  situations.
> > > Is there a specific command to make text boxes appear, so one can type in
> > > them?
> > > consider doing a search as an example, although that is not my goal.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Karen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] ot: w3m question?

[Jude DaShiell]

Typing enter on a form entry that's an edit box does not get focus changed
to edit mode in w3m with the version of w3m running on my machine.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Haven't used w3m for a while, but when I did if memory serves hitting
> enter on the place where the text box is supposed to appear got me into
> editing that text box.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > only asking because the browser has been referenced when others encountered
> > lynx  situations.
> > Is there a specific command to make text boxes appear, so one can type in
> > them?
> > consider doing a search as an example, although that is not my goal.
> > Thanks,
> > Karen
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] ot: w3m question?

[Jude DaShiell]

Haven't used w3m for a while, but when I did if memory serves hitting
enter on the place where the text box is supposed to appear got me into
editing that text box.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Hi all,
> only asking because the browser has been referenced when others encountered
> lynx  situations.
> Is there a specific command to make text boxes appear, so one can type in
> them?
> consider doing a search as an example, although that is not my goal.
> Thanks,
> Karen
>
>
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx jump files

[Jude DaShiell]

I found the alphabetic requirement in jumpsUnix.html.


Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 10 Sep 2022, Find Marbles wrote:

> Yes, lynx is amazing but the documentation is a little bit lacking. On one
> occasion I had to look through the source code to get some answers.
>
> Anyway as far as the jumps.html is concerned put the links in alphabetical
> order or they won't work. So d before g and g before m and so on. This
> important information was also somewhere hidden.
>
> Am Sa., 10. Sept. 2022 um 10:47 Uhr schrieb Jude DaShiell <
> jdash...@panix.com>:
>
> > First thanks for this information.  I read the jumpsUnix.html file in
> > samples and this was missing from that file.  I probably ought to have
> > read the other jumps files in samples and maybe would have come up with
> > this information.
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Sat, 10 Sep 2022, Find Marbles wrote:
> >
> > > The lynx jumpfile is called jumps.html and after creating it put it in
> > the
> > > same directory as your user lynx.cfg, so somewhere in your home
> > directory.
> > > If I remember correctly you might need to change some options in your
> > user
> > > lynx.cfg as well to allow access to the jumpfile. Although that might be
> > > only for allowing scripts, as I have one in the example further down
> > > (lynx-surfraw.sh)
> > >
> > > An example of a lynx.html could be:
> > >
> > > ?This
> > > Shortcut List
> > > dhttps://lite.duckduckgo.com/lite?kd=-1&kp=-1&q=%s
> > ">DuckDuckgo
> > > Search
> > > ghttps://www.google.com/search?q=%s";>Google Search
> > > mhttps://manned.org/browse/search?q=%s";>Man Pages
> > > s > > href="lynxexec:/home/findmarbles/myscripts/lynx-surfraw.sh">Surfraw
> > > Search
> > > whttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%s
> > ">Wikipedia
> > > Search
> > >
> > > Next time you use lynx you could easily just press j and d for a
> > duckduckgo
> > > search or j and g for a google search and so on.
> > >
> > > Am Fr., 9. Sept. 2022 um 13:19 Uhr schrieb Jude DaShiell <
> > jdash...@panix.com
> > > >:
> > >
> > > > What file name is a lynx jump file to have so lynx reads that as being
> > a
> > > > jump file and where does lynx find jump files successfully?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > > > defense of liberty:
> > > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Lynx-dev] duckduckgo searches

[Jude DaShiell]

At least using surfraw, the duckduckgo.elvi either doesn't make provision
for and/or doesn't pass the negative filter option through with google
directly you can use the - operator in front of a term to exclude it but
not in surfraw when running duckduckgo.  A little after Breakfast today
I'll go onto duckduckgo directly and try a negative search the way it's
done in google and see if it works.  If it works, the surfraw duckduckgo
elvi could do with some improvement.


Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx jump files

[Jude DaShiell]

First thanks for this information.  I read the jumpsUnix.html file in
samples and this was missing from that file.  I probably ought to have
read the other jumps files in samples and maybe would have come up with
this information.


Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 10 Sep 2022, Find Marbles wrote:

> The lynx jumpfile is called jumps.html and after creating it put it in the
> same directory as your user lynx.cfg, so somewhere in your home directory.
> If I remember correctly you might need to change some options in your user
> lynx.cfg as well to allow access to the jumpfile. Although that might be
> only for allowing scripts, as I have one in the example further down
> (lynx-surfraw.sh)
>
> An example of a lynx.html could be:
>
> ?This
> Shortcut List
> d href="https://lite.duckduckgo.com/lite?kd=-1&kp=-1&q=%s";>DuckDuckgo
> Search
> ghttps://www.google.com/search?q=%s";>Google Search
> mhttps://manned.org/browse/search?q=%s";>Man Pages
> s href="lynxexec:/home/findmarbles/myscripts/lynx-surfraw.sh">Surfraw
> Search
> whttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%s";>Wikipedia
> Search
>
> Next time you use lynx you could easily just press j and d for a duckduckgo
> search or j and g for a google search and so on.
>
> Am Fr., 9. Sept. 2022 um 13:19 Uhr schrieb Jude DaShiell  >:
>
> > What file name is a lynx jump file to have so lynx reads that as being a
> > jump file and where does lynx find jump files successfully?
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> >
>

[Lynx-dev] lynx jump files

[Jude DaShiell]

What file name is a lynx jump file to have so lynx reads that as being a
jump file and where does lynx find jump files successfully?


Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

[Lynx-dev] lynx keyboard commands help broken

[Jude DaShiell]

If I get into the section where the j command exists in the keyboard help,
I ought to be able to type /jump and land on the jump files link.  That's
not possible and I don't know why.


Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: [Lynx-dev] new search engine

[Jude DaShiell]

If you read the blinux-l...@redhat.com list you'll see the messages about
this on that email list.  I was as surprised as you when I came across
those messages myself.  duckduckgo has been on tv regularly with
advertising regularly and that costs big money to do that.  With Microsoft
dollars behind an advertising campaign things like this are easy.

On Sat, 19 Mar 2022, Luke, Shellworld Support wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > If what I've read is correct,  duckduckgo got bought out by Microsoft so
> > it's now a bing extension.
>
> That's a nice bomb to drop without any attribution.
>
> "I don't know if it's true, but I heard...", has unjustly ruined many a
> reputation.
>
> Last year, the rumor was Google. I guess this year it's Microsoft.
>
> https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/
> https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/company/ads-by-microsoft-on-duckduckgo-private-search/
>
> Luke
>
>

[Lynx-dev] new search engine

[Jude DaShiell]

https://www.alexandria.org/.
If what I've read is correct, duckduckgo got bought out by Microsoft so
it's now a bing extension.

Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx word bleeding?

[Jude DaShiell]

For business accounts that's a larger problem.  For a personal gmail
account though, I'd arrange to have all gmail forwarded to another account
off of google and clean out the All-Messages folder.  If google gets to be
too much of a pain that's what I'll do with it.  Google doesn't know
what's wrong with any of what it claims to be insecure email programs and
won't test them either.


On Sun, 30 Jan 2022, Luke at Shellworld Support wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022, Mouse wrote:
>
> > At one of my jobs, they have decided to use Google for mail rather than
> > anything sane.  Initially, I wanted to fetch the mail and inject it
> > into my mailbox, but Google decided my mail-fetch client wasn't secure
> > enough (without, of course, explaining what was wronjg wit hit or what
> > I needed to do to "fix" it - never mind the issue of telling me how I
> > am allowed to handle my own mail).
>
> You may find one of the solutions here to be useful.
>
> https://www.lifewire.com/unlock-gmail-for-a-new-email-program-or-service-1171974
>
> I am using the first one to access gmail from alpine on Linux, which
> Google absolutely won't let you do otherwise.
>
> I have never tried the app-specific password method.
>
> Luke
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] External dowloaders

[Jude DaShiell]

lftp may be another possibility since it can download magnet files and if
memory serves needs magnet followed by the magnet url to get it done.
lftp may have other failings which may make it undesireable though.


On Wed, 26 Jan 2022, Luke, Shellworld Support wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Jan 2022, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
>
> > ? but there?s this:
> >
> > EXTERNAL:ftp:wget %s &:FALSE
>
> Ah, I missed that one. I sit corrected.
>
> So for the O.P.'s use case, something like:
>
> EXTERNAL:magnet:aria2c -d /home/me/downloads --check-integrity=true -qR
> --bt-require-crypto=true --bt-save-metadata=true '%s'
> &:FALSE
>
> Might work?
>
> Untested; that commandline probably needs work, because of the large
> number of options aria2c needs to do things for specific URL types.
>
> It will probably take several EXTERNAL entries to provide for the desired
> scenarios. It may be better to use EXTERNAL_MENU instead, in the case
> of torrent handlers anyway.
>
> Luke
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] Seeking a command line option?

[Jude DaShiell]

Last time I looked it was ubuntu.


On Mon, 27 Dec 2021, dan d. wrote:

>
>
> What os does shellworld use?  Many have port repositories which allow easy 
> installation of lynx, some even have a binary already build so
> local building is not required or minimal.  I assume the owner knows of this 
> approach?
>
> On Sun, 26 Dec 2021, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> > Sigh..this is frustrating.
> > One fall out of the last shellworld related Lynx incident, turns out our
> > admin was trying to upgrade the browser and failed, is that they rolled
> > things back  to a much earlier edition.
> > I have told them as much, their removing even the edition of lynx
> > dreamhost provides on their shells, and dreamhost does not care about
> > proper lynx configuring.  Can you say google  presenting a captcha when
> > one seeks to do a search anyone?
> > Long story short, now when following many links in emails, I run into the
> > "error deflating temporary file message, that  has a fix when in lynx
> > proper, but cannot be addressed if following an email link.
> > What I seek is a command line option that impacts the encoding, I am
> > likely not explaining this clearly, which lets me add the command when
> > editing the url presented in the email.
> > Is there such a thing?
> > Imagine I will  follow this post with the actual error I mean.
> > Thanks,
> > Karen
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] the frustration of this kind of advice, was about user agent headers

[Jude DaShiell]

Someone don't understand files ownership and files permissions.  If a copy
of lynx.cfg is put in a user directory the user needs to take ownership of
that file.  If ownership cannot be taken it's probably a copy of a shared
file and since the user in this case has no root privileges they cannot
take ownership of the file.  In that case, best to download a copy of the
entire lynx source and extract the lynx.cfg file from that into the user
directory in which case then the user owns that copy and can edit it and
use it without effecting the rest of the system.  Dreamhost was and maybe
still is the internet provider for shellworld.net and they are remote and
antisocial as I remember them (best left alone).
Panix can get you a telnet account for $100.00 a year and that's where I
landed once my shellworld.net account got black listed by some Hungarian
who posted his exploit on the web which I later found.  He figured me to
be an undesireable.


On Tue, 30 Nov 2021, Travis Siegel wrote:

> I'm sorry, but you're not making any sense.
>
> First off, My advice was to create a lynx.cfg file in your home directory. 
> That has absolutely nothing to do with system level configuration files.
>
> Secondly, if a system user can change system wide configuration files, it's
> because your system administrators aren't doing their job properly.  Those
> configuration files should not be writable by anyone on the system that is a
> regular user.
>
> Giving advice to create and modify configuration files that live in your home
> directory is a perfectly reasonable approach, and sometimes, the only way to
> accomplish something.  If your system is hosed from someone messing with
> system level configuration files, that's not the fault of anybody changing
> configuration files that live in their own home directory.
>
> Whatever happened on dreamhost or shellworld is in no way related to anyone
> making changes to their own configuration files.
>
> Go yell at someone else.
>
> On 11/30/2021 5:21 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > Travis,
> > Please do not ever advise anyone to tamper with a file associated with a
> > shared  service like the one we have here.
> > I am expressing this because right now I am experiencing what happens when
> > someone, not myself, does this kind of tampering and not knowing what they
> > are doing, creates problems for everyone.
> > First our lynx startfile  disappeared entirely..for two days.
> > then when it returned, it came to a start page that does not work fully with
> > lynx, all the items provided lead to YouTube, which as others have noted no
> > longer really works with lynx at all.
> > Its 5 a. m. I have been up all night waiting until I can call our admin
> > because   either we have a security risk, or the same person tampering with
> > lynx  has also changed the browser associated with email accounts, meaning I
> > am not going to get any work done today either.
> > Do not ever even hint that I  am unwilling to help myself. tampering with
> > config files that are provided by shared  hosting services like this ought
> > to be a crime.
> > dreamhost does not even understand how lynx works at all, I provided them
> > with a trace file showing how I cannot reach our work control panel, and
> > even though they duplicated the problem they could, or would not fix the
> > issue.
> > Its one reason why I happily pay so much for shellworld, I can get my work
> > done, at least when no one is damaging the services here.
> > Karen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 14 Nov 2021, Travis Siegel wrote:
> >
> >> You can easily create your own lynx.cfg file, put it in your home
> >> directory, then start lynx with a -cfg= command line parameter,
> >> and poof, you have full control over your lynx configuration, no need to
> >> depend on the system wide one at all.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/14/2021 2:29 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >>>  Russell,
> >>>  Because my access to lynx is tied to a service, I do not edit their
> >>>  lynx.cfg files.
> >>>  In fact, I do not even know where they are kept.
> >>>  Karen
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  On Sun, 14 Nov 2021, russellb...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > >  Quoth Karen Lewellen: 'the shellworld setup for lynx, there is
> >>> >  an associated editor.  One that allows me, at least if the command
> >>> >  "use control x e for editor" is spoken by lynx when I am on a field.
> >>> >  If it is a single line, I cannot employ my editor. Meaning I cannot
> >>> >  use control r and bring a file into the edit line.  I would have to
> >>> >  type it manually.'
> >>> >  You can edit $HOME/.lynxrc directly
> >>> > >  useragent=Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1;
> >>> rv:1.9.2) >  Gecko/20100115 Firefox/3.6 l_y_n_x
> >>> > >  is mine.
> >>> > >  russell bell
> >>> > > >
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] the frustration of this kind of advice, was about user agent headers

[Jude DaShiell]

It may be under a different name, maybe try locate *lynx*
if the locate database is up-to-date or if locate is even installed.


On Tue, 30 Nov 2021, Chime Hart wrote:

> Hi Travis: Whats really interesting is that last I looked, L Y N X seems to be
> gone from Shellworld, whether I use an alias or even type
> which lynx
> says "command not found"
> I am fortunate that mostly I just use Shellworld for rss feeds, a majority of
> mail I deal with locally.
> Chime
>
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] Lynx access to gmail accounts

[Jude DaShiell]

I can't recommend edbrowse now since for the last few versions the
setup.ebrc script has been removed.  That script when run asks a user
questions and using their answers sets up their .ebrc file for them.  That
is the configuration file on which edbrowse runs.  Having edbrowse on my
machine I failed to configure everything properly and was unable to access
gmail in the usual way.  The good news is edbrowse still has support and
is up to version 3.8.0 so it's possible the setup.ebrc script will be
restored to a future version.


On Wed, 17 Nov 2021, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Jude,
> To be specific.
> Edbrowse can visit a page like this,
> mail.google.com
> allow one to enter their username and password,
> Then present  the basic html webpage for gmail?
> Karen
>
>
>
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2021, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > edbrowse can do gmail.  The edbrowse approach is to take all javascript in
> > and ignore everything that doesn't make sense for a text terminal.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 17 Nov 2021, David Woolley wrote:
> >
> >> On 17/11/2021 22:02, dan d. wrote:
> >>> For that matter, is there a general solution for web pages which refuse
> >>> lynx
> >>> for that reason?
> >>
> >> There can't be any general solution other than to use a browser that fully
> >> implements HTML 5, EcmaScript, and the associated browser and document and
> >> CSS
> >> object models.  That would be such a radical rewrite that would have little
> >> or
> >> no original code, or code structure, left.
> >>
> >> I believe other text browser implement certain common idioms, but are not
> >> general solutions.
> >>
> >> I'm not convinced it is possible in a text browser, but the way to do it
> >> would
> >> be to put a character cell rendering engine onto the Firefox or Chrome
> >> engines, not to adapt the Lynx code.
> >>
> >> (To get something that worked well in text-only, but only for well written
> >> pages, you would also need to fully implement Aria support. This is a way
> >> of
> >> telling accessibility tools the real semantics of the page, even when the
> >> HTML
> >> semantics are only used for visual effect, and therefore requires
> >> accessibility aware authoring.)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] Lynx access to gmail accounts

[Jude DaShiell]

edbrowse can do gmail.  The edbrowse approach is to take all javascript in
and ignore everything that doesn't make sense for a text terminal.


On Wed, 17 Nov 2021, David Woolley wrote:

> On 17/11/2021 22:02, dan d. wrote:
> > For that matter, is there a general solution for web pages which refuse lynx
> > for that reason?
>
> There can't be any general solution other than to use a browser that fully
> implements HTML 5, EcmaScript, and the associated browser and document and CSS
> object models.  That would be such a radical rewrite that would have little or
> no original code, or code structure, left.
>
> I believe other text browser implement certain common idioms, but are not
> general solutions.
>
> I'm not convinced it is possible in a text browser, but the way to do it would
> be to put a character cell rendering engine onto the Firefox or Chrome
> engines, not to adapt the Lynx code.
>
> (To get something that worked well in text-only, but only for well written
> pages, you would also need to fully implement Aria support. This is a way of
> telling accessibility tools the real semantics of the page, even when the HTML
> semantics are only used for visual effect, and therefore requires
> accessibility aware authoring.)
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] sudden site access failure: realclearpolitics.com

[Jude DaShiell]

Check line 2832 in lynx.cfg if yours isn't hugely modified.


On Thu, 11 Nov 2021, dan d. wrote:

>
> What is the exact lynx.cfg line for this, I cann't find it by searching for 
> 1.1:
>
> Enable HTTP 1.1 can be done either in the Options screen or in lynx.cfg.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2021, Ian Collier wrote:
>
>
>
> > I find it interesting that Lynx cannot verify the certificate of
> > 'realclearpolitics.com' (without the www) because the server is
> > not returning the certificate chain.  But with the www is a completely
> > different server which does have a valid certificate.
> >
> > Anyway I have found that links (the chain) will display the web site
> > correctly by default, but gets denied if I supply any one (or more)
> > of the following options:
> >
> >  -http-bugs.no-compression 1
> >  -http-bugs.http10 1
> >  -http.fake-user-agent Lynx
> >
> > So as far as Lynx (the cat) is concerned, what we need to do in order
> > to visit this site is (a) change the user agent, and (b) enable HTTP 1.1.
> >
> > Enable HTTP 1.1 can be done either in the Options screen or in lynx.cfg.
> > User agent can be done either in Options or on the command line.  My
> > experimentation shows that they want at least your OS in the user agent,
> > so "Lynx (Linux 5)" works, while Lynx's default user agent does not
> > because it doesn't contain the OS name.
> >
> > imc
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] sudden site access failure: realclearpolitics.com

[Jude DaShiell]

I wonder, if a cell phone used the same ip to go to a site and solved the
captcha with the higher graphics browser would the low/no graphics browser
on the same ip also have to solve a captcha?


On Wed, 10 Nov 2021, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Actually no,
> The owner of fanfiction.net is also blocking normal fanfiction download
> programs with also are lower graphics in nature.  Same for some mobile
> platforms by using an everyone or anything that cannot solve the captcha is an
> enemy approach, at least in part.
> Cloudflare has settings,  I have actually visited some sites using cloudflare
> and still gotten through in Lynx.
> also, an owner can accept things like ip address
>  and user agent, but again that is done on the site owner's side.
> Kare
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2021, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > I tried fanfiction.net and cloudflair blew up.  It wanted me to complete a
> > captcha and wanted cookies on and javascript in use and no way lynx is
> > doing all of that.  Maybe could code be put in lynx to block cloudflair
> > whenever a lynx user attempts a site cloudflair handles?  The code
> > probably ought to also ding the handlers of cloudflair that a lynx user
> > was going to access say fanfiction.net or whatever the other site
> > cloudflair handles and the lynx browser is set to automatically drop any
> > cloudflair traffic since cloudflair is lynx browser hostile?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 10 Nov 2021, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Rudy,
> >> Have  you tried this site today?
> >> Granted I am using the Lynx configuration at shellworld, but I just typed
> >> the
> >> address you provided, and reached the page perfectly.
> >> something to consider about cloudflare is that it tracks sometimes by IP
> >> address.
> >> Would love to learn how the fanfiction.net site works with your user agent
> >> though, smiles.
> >> Karen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 10 Nov 2021, Rudy Vener wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Yesterday realclearpolitics.com started returning the following page
> >>> when I tried to access it with lynx.
> >>>
> >>>   Please enable JS and disable any ad blocker
> >>>
> >>> I invoke lynx as follows:
> >>> /usr/local/bin/lynx-2.9.0-dev9 -useragent="Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel
> >>> Mac
> >>> OS X 10_8_0) AppleWebKit/537.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/21.0.1180.79
> >>> Safari/537.1 lynx" $*
> >>>
> >>> The above user agent spoof normally lets me slip the Cloud Flare
> >>> gatekeepers, but this seems to be something new.
> >>>
> >>> For what it's worth, the same problem now occurs with w3m, however,
> >>> links (the chain)  can access the site just fine.
> >>> If there is a simple configuration fix for this, I'd really like to know.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Rudy Vener
> >>> Website: http://www.rudyvener.com
> >>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/RudySalt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] sudden site access failure: realclearpolitics.com

[Jude DaShiell]

I tried fanfiction.net and cloudflair blew up.  It wanted me to complete a
captcha and wanted cookies on and javascript in use and no way lynx is
doing all of that.  Maybe could code be put in lynx to block cloudflair
whenever a lynx user attempts a site cloudflair handles?  The code
probably ought to also ding the handlers of cloudflair that a lynx user
was going to access say fanfiction.net or whatever the other site
cloudflair handles and the lynx browser is set to automatically drop any
cloudflair traffic since cloudflair is lynx browser hostile?


On Wed, 10 Nov 2021, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Hi Rudy,
> Have  you tried this site today?
> Granted I am using the Lynx configuration at shellworld, but I just typed the
> address you provided, and reached the page perfectly.
> something to consider about cloudflare is that it tracks sometimes by IP
> address.
> Would love to learn how the fanfiction.net site works with your user agent
> though, smiles.
> Karen
>
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2021, Rudy Vener wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Yesterday realclearpolitics.com started returning the following page
> > when I tried to access it with lynx.
> >
> >   Please enable JS and disable any ad blocker
> >
> > I invoke lynx as follows:
> > /usr/local/bin/lynx-2.9.0-dev9 -useragent="Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac
> > OS X 10_8_0) AppleWebKit/537.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/21.0.1180.79
> > Safari/537.1 lynx" $*
> >
> > The above user agent spoof normally lets me slip the Cloud Flare
> > gatekeepers, but this seems to be something new.
> >
> > For what it's worth, the same problem now occurs with w3m, however,
> > links (the chain)  can access the site just fine.
> > If there is a simple configuration fix for this, I'd really like to know.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --
> > Rudy Vener
> > Website: http://www.rudyvener.com
> > Twitter: https://twitter.com/RudySalt
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] Any solution for youtube searching

[Jude DaShiell]

perhaps add that directory to your PATH variable tack on a colon at the
end and tack on that path after that colon.  When you restart your
machine, any python package in that directory you can run from your user
account with no need to remember that directory again.


On Mon, 25 Oct 2021, Chime Hart wrote:

> Thank you Jude, sure is in there.
> But I guess as my database is not updating, I must run from that directory.
> Chime
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] Any solution for youtube searching

[Jude DaShiell]

If you run pip install yt-dlp in your user account see if it's in
~/.local/bin that's normally where pip puts binaries when built by a user.
It's also a good idea to build as user as much as possible since if a
package isn't already in the root directory tree the package the user
builds doesn't cause conflicts with package installers run by root later.


On Mon, 25 Oct 2021, Chime Hart wrote:

> Jude, I am fairly sure I did, but will run it again.
> When running "sudo updatedb" I get an "/usr/bin/find: '/var/lib/lxcfs/cgroup':
> Input/output error" Wow, never seen it run this long. /usr/bin/find:
> '/mnt/temp': Input/output error
>  updatedb: new database would be empty
>
> Running sudo locate youtube-dlp showed no items
> Chime
>
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] Any solution for youtube searching

[Jude DaShiell]

You don't need to use sudo in front of locate but do need to use it in
front of updatedb.  Is your /tmp directry tree full?


On Mon, 25 Oct 2021, Chime Hart wrote:

> Jude, I am fairly sure I did, but will run it again.
> When running "sudo updatedb" I get an "/usr/bin/find: '/var/lib/lxcfs/cgroup':
> Input/output error" Wow, never seen it run this long. /usr/bin/find:
> '/mnt/temp': Input/output error
>  updatedb: new database would be empty
>
> Running sudo locate youtube-dlp showed no items
> Chime
>
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] Any solution for youtube searching

[Jude DaShiell]

Did you run updatedb before locate?

On Mon, 25 Oct 2021, Chime Hart wrote:

> Well Dan, I used pip to install your program, but it seems not here in Debian
> SID? Even running a locate, I couldn't find it. Thanks in advance
> Chime
>
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] Any solution for youtube searching

[Jude DaShiell]

I'm thinking some of these videos may be best downloaded and listened to
after download.  One video I heard today the voice was fading in and out
on so I'll try that and see if I can get better audio quality.  I hope
that's the only problem here.


On Sun, 24 Oct 2021, russellb...@gmail.com wrote:

>  https://invidious.snopyta.org/
>  https://instances.invidio.us/
>
>   I get the ID (the portion after
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=) and fetch with youtube-dl.  Only the
> ID is necessary.  For instance:
>
>   youtube-dl WL_SGxCEiwI
>
> will fetch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL_SGxCEiwI , a segment of
> 'Real Time with Bill Maher' from last Friday.
>
> russell bell
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] Any solution for youtube searching

[Jude DaShiell]

The connection pipe-viewer uses needs to be set to auto in its config
file.  That way it keeps trying connections until it gets one that opens.


On Sat, 23 Oct 2021, Chime Hart wrote:

> Well, Jude, little did I remember, we had installed pipe-viewer. Just tried it
> now, received a 410 error. Problem I had with straw-viewer, an amount of
> results were strange, inn that the 2nd group of items were exactly from the
> first group. So if there were 34 items, the first 17 would list twice. I
> understood the reason Trizen made other similar players had to do with an API
> expiring.
> And, not to blow my own horn, I had suggested-and-now in youtube-viewer, we
> have a favorites list, you create-and-access with -fc but when displaying your
> favorite list of channels, it will show the channel names from youtube, not
> the nicknames you write in the config. I want to suggest an option to list
> either how many total videos in a user or number of pages.
> Chime
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] Any solution for youtube searching

[Jude DaShiell]

pipe-viewer deprecated straw-viewer sometime ago and both are written by
trizen.  For me configuration of straw-viewer was difficult so I ended up
going with straw-viewer and it worked right out of the box for some
reason.


On Sat, 23 Oct 2021, Chime Hart wrote:

> Hi Jude-and-All: Jude, first of all, I am not familliar with "pipe-viewer"?
> I've tried straw-viewer-and-I use youtube-viewer several times a day. What
> does pipe-viewer off that youtube-viewer isn't giving you? In relation to the
> original question, there were at 1 time some accessibile web-sites where you
> could search or work with youtube videos. There was a site which didn't last
> long, something like invidia. Anyway, unless something with faster downloads
> comes along, I am fairly happy with youtube-viewer. Thanks in advance
> Chime
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] Any solution for youtube searching

[Jude DaShiell]

I am using linux and pipe-viewer and pipe-viewer is able to search the
youtube page.  I suspect using a graphical browser and pulling from that
browser into pipe-viewer.


On Sat, 23 Oct 2021, dan d. wrote:

> Hello,
>
> For some time now google has blocked the youtube page when using lynx.
>
> Has anyone an alternative method to get youtube search results in lynx?
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] error 426

[Jude DaShiell]

Maybe
lynx -base -core -dump -tlog -trace 
might get some informative output.

Re: [Lynx-dev] A new and intense error, 426?

[Jude DaShiell]

Is it possible to turn trace on before the site is reached with lynx?  If
so, trace may catch and log the bad behavior for us.


On Tue, 19 Oct 2021, Chime Hart wrote:

> Hi Karen-and-All: Did you try controll+c? Thanks
> Chime
>
>
>
>

Re: [Lynx-dev] JavaScript pages

[Jude DaShiell]

Try edbrowse.


On Tue, 14 Sep 2021, Julius Hamilton wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Does anyone know if there is any project like Lynx that can render
> JavaScript-heavy webpages in plaintext? I have found that there are some
> webpages that Lynx can not render either because it doesn't have that
> capability or sometimes because the website itself blocks Lynx.
>
> Thanks very much,
> Julius
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Connect sentences as lines for text dump

[Jude DaShiell]

You might try fmt or newfmt as a part of a pipe to clean this up.



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Re: [Lynx-dev] Google vs redirection limit [was Re: what controls the redirect limit?]

[Jude DaShiell]

It may be time for any with a gmail account to clean it out completely and
then go into settings and set gmail to forward all incoming email to
another account on another provider.



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Re: [Lynx-dev] what controls the redirect limit?

[Jude DaShiell]

An engineering principle is once required capacity is found, build in 3
times that capacity for future unexpected events.
If you can get it, try for 60.


On Sun, 29 Aug 2021, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Can speak to no one else, but in the cases I am encountering, there is
> progress  being made.
> Speaking personally raising it from 10 to say 20, would likely solve the issue
> for me at least.
>
>
>
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2021, David Woolley wrote:
>
> > On 29/08/2021 09:25, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >>  Or ask the administrator to make the change as it seems like a fine one
> >>  for everyone.
> >
> > Not to a 1,000!  A redirect loop that long is likely to be treated as a
> > denial of service attack, even if it is, ultimately the server's fault.
> >
> > Before upping the limit in this specific case, you should make an attempt to
> > see if it is actually making progress on each redirect, rather than looping.
> >
> > I admit I'm surprised that gmail found a way to break even a limit of 10.
> >
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Re: [Lynx-dev] what controls the redirect limit?

[Jude DaShiell]

Good news here.  The REDIRECTION_LIMIT variable is the last line in
lynx.cfg.  I just set mine to 1.  For anyone using lynx on a service,
copying lynx.cfg to a user directory then running
lynx -c ./lynx.cfg will use your copy and not the system's copy of
lynx.cfg.  You would need to chmod lynx.cfg so you could edit it once in
your user directory though.


On Sat, 28 Aug 2021, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> ...I seem to be lost.
> My hope is that there is something I can influence, as I use Lynx on a
> service, not as a part of my own computer.
> So I am unsure just where that would go exactly?
> kare
>
>
>
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021, Mouse wrote:
>
> >> [...], I reach a lynx error that says something like maximum number
> >> of 10 redirects reached..and I can go no further.
> >
> >> What in Lynx controls the number of redirects the browser considers
> >> safe, and how can I increase that number?
> >
> > A few years back, I was working at a job that, "thanks" to a confluence
> > of various reasons, ended up with me wanting to use lynx to read
> > Google-hosted mail through their webmail interface.
> >
> > I promptly ran into the ten-redirection limit.
> >
> > As for how I dealt with it, turns out I still have the commit:
> >
> > commit 028e3e6312bd2a6d108ec4755165091be9426ce4
> > Author: Mouse 
> > Date:   Tue Mar 20 09:37:26 2018 -0400
> >
> >Boost redirection count limit to 25.
> >
> > diff --git a/LYMessages_en.h b/LYMessages_en.h
> > index b0c7c44..85b490e 100644
> > --- a/LYMessages_en.h
> > +++ b/LYMessages_en.h
> > @@ -631,7 +631,7 @@
> > #define ERROR_UNCOMPRESSING_TEMP gettext("Error uncompressing temporary
> > file!")
> > #define UNSUPPORTED_URL_SCHEME gettext("Unsupported URL scheme!")
> > #define UNSUPPORTED_DATA_URL gettext("Unsupported data: URL!  Use SHOWINFO,
> > for now.")
> > -#define TOO_MANY_REDIRECTIONS gettext("Redirection limit of 10 URL's
> > reached.")
> > +#define TOO_MANY_REDIRECTIONS gettext("Redirection limit of 25 URLs
> > reached.")
> > #define ILLEGAL_REDIRECTION_URL gettext("Illegal redirection URL received
> > from server!")
> > #define SERVER_ASKED_FOR_REDIRECTION \
> > gettext("Server asked for %d redirection of POST content to")
> > diff --git a/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTAccess.c
> > b/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTAccess.c
> > index 4c2c1be..a1f4b7e 100644
> > --- a/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTAccess.c
> > +++ b/WWW/Library/Implementation/HTAccess.c
> > @@ -769,8 +769,10 @@ static BOOL HTLoadDocument(const char *full_address,
> > /* may include #fragment */
> >  * of 10 redirections per requested URL from a user, because the
> >  HTTP/1.1
> >  * will no longer specify a restriction to 5, but will leave it up to
> >  the
> >  * browser's discretion, in deference to Microsoft.  - FM
> > + *
> > + * Upped to 25 because 10 breaks gmail. :-?  - Mouse
> >  */
> > -if (redirection_attempts > 10) {
> > +if (redirection_attempts > 25) {
> >  redirection_attempts = 0;
> >  HTAlert(TOO_MANY_REDIRECTIONS);
> >  return NO;
> >
> > /~\ The ASCII Mouse
> > \ / Ribbon Campaign
> > X  Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org
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[Lynx-dev] error 500 returned

[Jude DaShiell]

https://manjaro.org/community/
gets this error returned.


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Re: [Lynx-dev] I Installed the Newer Version, What Happened to my SSL?

[Jude DaShiell]

In the ./configure step, if memory serves the --with-ssl flag is needed.


On Mon, 26 Jul 2021, Chime Hart wrote:

> Well, a fairly easy ./configure  make sudo mak install
> After that, did a rehash  now --version displays current number.
> Big surprise, if I visit an https  site first says something about external
> page and external link fail. Then
> Using https://www.npr.org/
> Alert!: This client does not contain support for HTTPS URLs.
> Back again live, this was working earier today. Must I run an install with
> some flag so that will work? Thanks so much in advance
> Chime
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Alternative User-Agent header

[Jude DaShiell]

https://lemontreesites.com/blog/2021/06/26/how-to-convert-file-formats-with-pandoc-in-linux-quick-guide/


On Sun, 27 Jun 2021, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> itsfoss.com has a quick guide to pan doc just recently published.
>
>
> On Sun, 27 Jun 2021, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>
> > Hi Tim,
> > Turns out that tool is here on shellworld.
> > Just did a test, and while I have not read the converted file yet, pandoc 
> > does
> > save me some steps.
> > what else does the program do?
> > Kare
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 27 Jun 2021, Tim Chase wrote:
> >
> > > On 2021-06-26 23:14, Travis Siegel wrote:
> > >> For what it's worth, epub books are already html.  An epub file is
> > >> just a zip file renamed to epub.
> > >>
> > >> Simply extract the epub file into a directory of your choice, and
> > >> generally (though not always) the html files are layed out in name
> > >> order, and you can simply open each one in your browser, or if so
> > >> inclined, just open lynx on the directory, and go down the list of
> > >> html files reading them one at a time until you've finished the
> > >> book.
> > >
> > > For a slightly easier time, you might try using pandoc to convert
> > > from epub to a single flat HTML file, something like
> > >
> > >  $ pandoc -o book.html book.epub
> > >
> > > -tim
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Alternative User-Agent header

[Jude DaShiell]

itsfoss.com has a quick guide to pan doc just recently published.


On Sun, 27 Jun 2021, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> Turns out that tool is here on shellworld.
> Just did a test, and while I have not read the converted file yet, pandoc does
> save me some steps.
> what else does the program do?
> Kare
>
>
>
> On Sun, 27 Jun 2021, Tim Chase wrote:
>
> > On 2021-06-26 23:14, Travis Siegel wrote:
> >> For what it's worth, epub books are already html.  An epub file is
> >> just a zip file renamed to epub.
> >>
> >> Simply extract the epub file into a directory of your choice, and
> >> generally (though not always) the html files are layed out in name
> >> order, and you can simply open each one in your browser, or if so
> >> inclined, just open lynx on the directory, and go down the list of
> >> html files reading them one at a time until you've finished the
> >> book.
> >
> > For a slightly easier time, you might try using pandoc to convert
> > from epub to a single flat HTML file, something like
> >
> >  $ pandoc -o book.html book.epub
> >
> > -tim
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Externals format circumvention

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I wonder would backslashing the hex or ascii character equivalent work?


On Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Mouse wrote:

> > I was trying to add
> > 'EXTERNAL:http:tmux new-window lynx -socks5_proxy=127.0.0.1:9050
> > %s:TRUE'
> > to my externals however the colon from "0.1:9050" interrupts with the
> > formatting of externals and therefore doesn't work.
>
> It's a workaround rather than a fix, but could you maybe create a
> script that runs tmux with those arguments (ncluding the
> colon-containing one), then have it run that script?
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Re: [Lynx-dev] what became of this command?

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Good, you were only using lynx.  This clarifies things.


On Tue, 15 Jun 2021, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> I am not using the command in email at all.
> Or I was not.
> Instead this command allowed one to submit a script button when found on a
> website.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2021, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > If you're using alpine, that command hasn't gone anywhere.  You invoke it
> > a little differently though.
> > When you get on the link and are asked if you want to open the link, don't
> > hit enter, instead hit control-g and see what happens.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 14 Jun 2021, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >
> >> Hope I ask about this clearly.
> >> For a while when you came across a script button, you could type the word
> >> submit in all caps with a colon before it.  After hitting the enter key one
> >> was presented with the option to edit the current url, i. e. what the
> >> button
> >> was intended to impact, and submit as if you were sort of clicking a mouse.
> >> Seems to be gone now though?
> >> Karen
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Re: [Lynx-dev] what became of this command?

[Jude DaShiell]

If you're using alpine, that command hasn't gone anywhere.  You invoke it
a little differently though.
When you get on the link and are asked if you want to open the link, don't
hit enter, instead hit control-g and see what happens.


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> Hope I ask about this clearly.
> For a while when you came across a script button, you could type the word
> submit in all caps with a colon before it.  After hitting the enter key one
> was presented with the option to edit the current url, i. e. what the button
> was intended to impact, and submit as if you were sort of clicking a mouse.
> Seems to be gone now though?
> Karen
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Re: [Lynx-dev] File Collisions

[Jude DaShiell]

If you use wget to do those npr downloads, use the --trust-server-names 
switch and the random junk gets removed.  This also happens with 
sourceforge.net downloads and that's how I found out how to fix this 
problem.




On Sat, 27 Mar 2021, Chime Hart wrote:

Speaking of saving files, when folks send dropbox files, once LYNX become 
involved, only the first word of a title shows up. So I manually type in the 
rest of it.
And 1 more anoyance. When downloading audio from NPR, the file names have 
alot of seemingly randem number-and-letters. So I backspace over everything 
from a question-mark which follows dot mp3. Any suggestions for these 
examples, if you please-and-thanks in advance

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Re: [Lynx-dev] File Collisions

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one thing that's possible is to add a unique extension to the file name 
once save is selected.  for today, I'd use .c27.1 for the first file and 
.c27.2 for the second file downloaded.




On Sat, 27 Mar 2021, Travis Siegel wrote:

I do not believe lynx makes any attempt to make the name unique. It simply 
tries to save the file.  If the filename is already present, it will let you 
know, and ask if you wish to overwrite the file.


I have no idea if it's possible to automate the process of renaming it it or 
not, but I'd guess that's not an option in it's current encarnation.


On 3/27/2021 6:12 PM, Martin McCormick wrote:

 Is there any feature in lynx that adds a random file extention to
 the name of a file one is about to save to make sure it is
 unique?

I use lynx to download books in the NLS Talking Book
 program and it works well for this purpose but the file names are
 based on a formula that can produce identical file names if the
 files represent books from the same author or represent more than
 one issue of a periodical or in one case can be two different
 periodicals in which the formula produces the same set of letters
 for both sets of periodicals.

What I have been doing is typing 000, 001, etc, after
 these names so no two files end up with the same name, but it
 would be nice to automate the uniqueness so nothing gets
 clobbered.

For the sake of clarity, the formula I refer to is the
 web site's method for generating file names.  I have no control
 over that so any uniqueness will have to be generated here.

 Thanks.

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Re: [Lynx-dev] rawstory and lynxFwd: The two words the GOP wants you to forget (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

Hi Karen,

I only tried accessing content with original messages and those had lots 
more clutter in them based on their normal 2mb+ sizes.  It could be what 
needs to be done with these messages is to forward them from my gmail 
account to my panix account and then try reading them.


On Sun, 14 Mar 2021, Karen Lewellen wrote:


Jude,
I am not sure what is happening for you, but I could access links in your 
example, being taken to the articles.
My setup is at shellworld, I am using pine to read these emails, and Lynx is 
the browser that runs when I choose a link.

Are you accessing gmail in basic html?
To be sure, there is a grand deal of spoken clutter,  but based on my own 
test I am wondering if the confusion lies with your gmail display instead?

Lynx had no trouble taking me to articles,  the ones I tried at least.
Kare



On Sun, 14 Mar 2021, Jude DaShiell wrote:


 I tried using alpine connected to lynx to read this kind of webmail and
 couldn't locate any urls in the webmail.  I asked on this list if there
 was anything that had been done to the formating of the webmail to make
 this happen and if there was anything that could be done about it to make
 this accessible to alpine using lynx as its web browser.  That's what this
 has to do with lynx.



 On Sun, 14 Mar 2021, David Woolley wrote:


  On 14/03/2021 17:54, Travis Siegel wrote:

>What does this have to do with lynx?

  I believe the OP is using a text only, non-web aware, email client, with
  Lynx used to handle HTML messages, and thinks that this is HTML, and is
  wondering why Lynx is ignoring all the links.

  His last message is forwarding an example of email for which this setup
  is
  failing.

  The problem is that the message isn't HTML.  It's a plain text fallback,
  intended for web aware email clients where the user doesn't want to
  receive HTML email. (Moreover, the links are, correctly, placed in angle
  brackets, which, if forced to treat it as HTML, Lynx will ignore, as
  they
  contain unknown tags.

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Re: [Lynx-dev] rawstory and lynxFwd: The two words the GOP wants you to forget (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

Hi Travis,

There'll be tags unknown to lynx in those urls.  I don't know what if any 
effect stripping those unknown tags out will have in terms of where you 
end up when using any of those links.  That being said, that could be a 
useful exercise for this and similar mail in the future.  I piped this to 
urlview and urlscan and the file both of them produced had nothing in it. 
If you get a rawstory email message the sizes of the messages are 
consistently close to 2mb each.  That's if you get them direct from 
rawstory itself not if you send them anywhere else.
Earlier I tried to sign up for rawstory through a subscribe link and was 
thrown at a captcha I couldn't complete.  How it was I even got on 
rawstory's mailing list this time was by voting in one of their polls and 
giving them an email address and checking a box that I was not a resident 
of the United Kingdom then hitting submit.  There was no captcha required 
that second way into the subscriptions.




On Sun, 14 Mar 2021, Travis Siegel wrote:



On 3/14/2021 6:15 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Travis,
 Jude was documenting how, from their setup, they could not seem to access
 items in lynx.  Making the information not about the content itself, but
 the  ability to use lynx for reading that content.
 Does that make more sense?
 Karen

Indeed it does, Sorry, I had missed the preceeding emails in the thread, and 
was trying to figure out why such a post had been made to the list.  Makes 
sense now, and sorry for the list spam.


For what it's worth, it's probably possible to use a script of some sort, 
(probably a bash one) using tr or sed/awk to fix the links in the email to 
make them usable by lynx again.  I didn't keep the email in question, but I 
am familiar with the <> substitutions, as I've seen those before, if the 
original poster is interested, I could make an attempt to build such a 
script.






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Re: [Lynx-dev] rawstory and lynxFwd: The two words the GOP wants you to forget (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks, that explains why this happens.



On Sun, 14 Mar 2021, Jude DaShiell wrote:

I tried using alpine connected to lynx to read this kind of webmail and 
couldn't locate any urls in the webmail.  I asked on this list if there was 
anything that had been done to the formating of the webmail to make this 
happen and if there was anything that could be done about it to make this 
accessible to alpine using lynx as its web browser.  That's what this has to 
do with lynx.




On Sun, 14 Mar 2021, David Woolley wrote:


 On 14/03/2021 17:54, Travis Siegel wrote:


  What does this have to do with lynx?


 I believe the OP is using a text only, non-web aware, email client, with
 Lynx used to handle HTML messages, and thinks that this is HTML, and is
 wondering why Lynx is ignoring all the links.

 His last message is forwarding an example of email for which this setup is
 failing.

 The problem is that the message isn't HTML.  It's a plain text fallback,
 intended for web aware email clients where the user doesn't want to
 receive HTML email. (Moreover, the links are, correctly, placed in angle
 brackets, which, if forced to treat it as HTML, Lynx will ignore, as they
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Re: [Lynx-dev] rawstory and lynxFwd: The two words the GOP wants you to forget (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

I tried using alpine connected to lynx to read this kind of webmail and 
couldn't locate any urls in the webmail.  I asked on this list if there 
was anything that had been done to the formating of the webmail to make 
this happen and if there was anything that could be done about it to make 
this accessible to alpine using lynx as its web browser.  That's what this 
has to do with lynx.




On Sun, 14 Mar 2021, David Woolley wrote:


On 14/03/2021 17:54, Travis Siegel wrote:


 What does this have to do with lynx?


I believe the OP is using a text only, non-web aware, email client, with Lynx 
used to handle HTML messages, and thinks that this is HTML, and is wondering 
why Lynx is ignoring all the links.


His last message is forwarding an example of email for which this setup is 
failing.


The problem is that the message isn't HTML.  It's a plain text fallback, 
intended for web aware email clients where the user doesn't want to receive 
HTML email. (Moreover, the links are, correctly, placed in angle brackets, 
which, if forced to treat it as HTML, Lynx will ignore, as they contain 
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Re: [Lynx-dev] rawstory and lynxFwd: The two words the GOP wants you to forget (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

The example is in the attachment and it's lots smaller than original size 
having been forwarded from my gmail address since it's readable on that 
platform.


--- Begin Message ---
-- Forwarded message -
From: RawStory EARLY 
Date: Thu, Mar 4, 2021, 5:51 AM
Subject: The two words the GOP wants you to forget
To: Friend 


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[Lynx-dev] rawstory mailings and lynx

[Jude DaShiell]

The rawstory web site sends out html formatted messages for those that 
subscribe to it.
I found lynx cannot find the urls in those messages even with the use of 
urlview and urlscan which are also unable to capture those urls.
chrome and firefox and the like have no difficulty locating and using 
those urls though.
Was anything done to the message format to hide these urls and if so, can 
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Where does -dump output go?

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Normally stdout on Linux.  To get it to a file, try cat | lynx -dump 

outfile



On Thu, 11 Feb 2021, Donn Terry wrote:


I'm trying to use LynxPortable (I hope this list works for that) to dump
rendered html.  This is on Windows 10.

LynxPortable appears to be working correctly, but does one strange thing.
I'm doing this both from a cmd window and a cygwin window, with the same
result.

Instead of directing the output to local stdout it directs it to a new
window that appears for a fraction of a second (spewing some text) and then
disappears. Using shell redirection doesn't help.
lynxPortable -help does the same thing.  (The splash screen also comes up,
and stays up slightly longer than, the text window.)

I didn't see any command line options to redirect to regular stdout or a
file.

Ideas?

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Re: [Lynx-dev] a twitter user? is a posible solution, is help with ff.net.

[Jude DaShiell]

Could be the tee utility might help or maybe the y utility.  They're both 
related.



On Wed, 10 Feb 2021, David J. J. Ring, Jr. wrote:


Hello,

I use oysttyer for Twitter.

It's available in the Debian repository, it works very well, but if you don't 
check Twitter regularly and when I log in it floods my screen.

I haven't found a way of redirecting the tweets into a file so I can read them, 
but it does
give me a way to get into twitter with a text console.

Best wishes,
David

 Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 12:48:45AM +


Ian Collier dixit:


Do you guys use Twitter on Lynx?


I?m not, unfortunately I?m fighting with Bloatzilla browsers for that.


They closed it to non-JavaScript browsers


Yeah, before you could at least see some posts and pictures with links+.


(I am not actually on Twitter


I came to complain to some company?s action where Twitter was the only
point of contact listed and stayed for cat pictures, especially Manuls,
but I?m not considering myself as a ?social network user? either.

Mails to the list seem to be _quite_ delayed today. Huh.

bye,
//mirabilos
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Re: [Lynx-dev] a twitter user? is a posible solution, is help with ff.net.

[Jude DaShiell]

browssh certainly rates a reward for stupid design!  What possible 
rationalle could there be for the package?  If you run in a text 
environment you don't try to emulate a graphical environment, there's real 
graphical environments that do it lots better.



On Tue, 9 Feb 2021, Karen Lewellen wrote:

My successful source regarding fictionpress recommended posting the faulty 
captchas over and over again.  Given users of the m.fanfiction.net platform 
do not get the ads either, I am not persuaded such is the issue.
Especially since prior to now lynx worked  just fine, with rather a few 
contributors who experience various print challenges.

Kare



On Tue, 9 Feb 2021, Thorsten Glaser wrote:


 Karen Lewellen dixit:


 Which is why my focus was on ffn.net fictionpress on twitter instead.


 The FictionPress twitter account has yet to react *at all* to anything
 I wrote in the last? two months or so. They seem to ignore this.

 Perhaps they realise lynx users don?t see their advertisements.


 did they mean edbrowse instead?


 No, browsh, of which brow.sh is the website. It?s some sort of pseudo
 text mode interface to Firefox. I haven?t tried it myself, but from
 the screenshots they post on the website it?s not a good fit for a11y.
 It tries to emulate the GUI look-and-feel.

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Re: [Lynx-dev] stay logged in

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It's possible to store cookies in a ~/lynx_cookies file too but I don't 
There is mention of ~/lynx/lynx_cookies in the lynx.cfg file.


On Wed, 6 Jan 2021, Mouse wrote:


I am starting to use Lynx and for some reason I will login to a
website and when I exit Lynx and get back into it, I am logged out.
Is there a specific setting in the lynx.cfg that I need to change?  I
allowed to always accept cookies.


Accepting cookies is not the same as saving them between sessions.  I
don't have anything specific to recommend, because I'm usually more
concerned with shutting cookies off than in saving them (I normally run
lynx with -cookies, for example), but looking for settings that bear on
saving cookies between sessions might be worthwhile.

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Re: [Lynx-dev] stay logged in

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If you keyed in the desired weebsite along with the lynx command and if 
you're in a command line environment on bash why not try hitting the up 
arrow until your original command shows up then hit enter.  This is a use 
of bash not lynx though.


When you key in commands in bash, you create a history you can use arrow 
keys to navigate along with control-r followed by a search string that 
should search your existing history for you and put you on the first line 
matching your search.




On Wed, 6 Jan 2021, HaxNet wrote:


Hi,

I am starting to use Lynx and for some reason I will login to a website
and when I exit Lynx and get back into it, I am logged out.
Is there a specific setting in the lynx.cfg that I need to change?
I allowed to always accept cookies.

Thanks

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Re: [Lynx-dev] reading code section

[Jude DaShiell]

That single font may well be an important accessibility feature of lynx;
external web pages can't change to more inaccessible fonts and mess up
user's reading.

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020, Paul Gilmartin via Lynx-dev wrote:

> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 18:23:11
> From: Paul Gilmartin via Lynx-dev 
> Reply-To: Paul Gilmartin 
> To: Lynx-dev@nongnu.org
> Cc: Thorsten Glaser 
> Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reading code section
>
> On 2020-11-20, at 16:07:47, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> >
> >> I am working with some html files that have a   section.  Is
> >> there a way to have lynx display tese areas?
> >
> > lynx -dump -stdin <<\EOF
> > meow
> > foobarbaz
> > EOF
> >
> >   foo
> >   bar
> >
> >   baz
> >
> > So, it does display the ?code? blocks. The purpose of the ?code?
> > tag is to switch to monospaced font, which in lynx is the only
> > font, so it?s effectively a nop for lynx.
> >
> Perhaps more important, and not effectively a nop for lynx, it
> preserves whitespace, copyint it from the HTML source to the
> rendered page.
>
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Can I Set a User Agent for an Individual Site?

[Jude DaShiell]

A little bash scripting may help here.
Make a script for each of those sites and have
lynx -useragent=off site-name
in that script.  It may be necessary to adjust lynx.cfg to do this
though.
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020, Stefan
Caunter
wrote:

> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 19:31:05
> From: Stefan Caunter 
> To: Discussion of Lynx Issues 
> Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] Can I Set a User Agent for an Individual Site?
>
> I have impersonated some universally accepted UA for years, it?s the only way 
> to get NYT and wapo content without advertising ;)
>
> > On Oct 20, 2020, at 18:33, Chime Hart  wrote:
> >
> > Hi All: There are at least 3 sites I visit frequently where I receive an 
> > anoying 403 error. So each time I go in options and uncheck the user agent 
> > box. Can some1 please inform, can I set these on a per site basis? 2 of the 
> > sites involved,
> > radioinsight.com
> > Meanwhile
> > nationalinterest.org
> > That one I encounter an error when reading an article. L I N K S doesn't 
> > seem to have this issue. Thanks so much in advance.
> > Also, another site
> > www.crisisgroup.org
> > works in L I N K s  but L Y N X receives a 504 gateway timeout.
> > Chime
> >
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Re: [Lynx-dev] Is Their a Way of Getting to spectrum dot net?

[Jude DaShiell]

Why not try it with edbrowse?
The edbrowse package has some javascript capability.
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020,
Ian Collier wrote:

> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:10:53
> From: Ian Collier 
> To: lynx-dev@nongnu.org
> Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] Is Their a Way of Getting to spectrum dot net?
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:51:13AM -0700, Chime Hart wrote:
> > www.spectrum.net
> > is certainly one of these, no matter whether I try it with l y n x or e l i
> > n k s, or even w3m. Same results, but I think there is a 302 moved involved.
> > I am hoping there are "user agents" where I can fool this site in to
> > displaying its contents.
>
> I'm afraid not.  This is one of those sites that send you an empty page
> plus a JavaScript applcation to pull the page contents from a server.
> (I hate sites that do that.)
>
> imc
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