Re: LyX might still load hyperref if "use hyperref support" is unchecked

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

2016-11-23 18:05 GMT+01:00 Scott Kostyshak :

> If there is a hyperlink inset, LyX seems to use hyperref regardless of
> whether "use hyperref support" is checked in document settings. I was
> initially surprised by this (I did not know that the particular document
> used hyperlink insets), although when I realized that hyperlink insets
> were used the behavior of course makes sense.
>
> Currently LyX says "Customize Hyperref Options" if the document class
> provides hyperref. Would it be difficult to extend fa19ec6f to say
> "Customize Hyperref Options" if LyX is going to use hyperref because of
> features within the document, such as an included hyperref inset?
>

Probably not. We would just need to check if hyperref is requested.


> Would we want that?
>
> Trying to think of alternatives to address potential confusion, I only
> came up with having a string in document > settings > PDF Properties
> saying something like "currently this document will use hyperref because
> features in the document (e.g. hyperlinks) need it". But that seems a
> little verbose.
>
> Also, why is it "Use Hyperref Support" and not "Use Hyperref" ? I don't
> see what the word "Support" adds.
>

This is one of these LaTeXisms we want to avoid. I'd prefer something such
as "Enable Hypertext Features and Metadata" and "Customize Hypertext
Features and Metadata". We can mention the hyperref package in the tooltip.
Also note that these features are not only "PDF Properties". Hyperref
supports a wide range of other output formats (via its drivers, e.g. to
HTML and PS).

Jürgen


>
> Scott
>

Re: LyX might still load hyperref if "use hyperref support" is unchecked

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 10:57:03AM +, Guenter Milde wrote:

> I don't think hyperref should be loaded if the setting says "no".

True, but the setting doesn't say "no". It just doesn't say "yes". But
it is clearly confusing.

> Maybe we need an "auto" setting similar to the math packages.

Perhaps. One difference is that LyX offers customization of the
hyperref settings.

> > Also, why is it "Use Hyperref Support" and not "Use Hyperref" ? I don't
> > see what the word "Support" adds.
> 
> The "hyperref" package adds support for hyper-references to the document?

OK.

Thanks,

Scott


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Re: LyX might still load hyperref if "use hyperref support" is unchecked

[Guenter Milde]

On 2016-11-23, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

> If there is a hyperlink inset, LyX seems to use hyperref regardless of
> whether "use hyperref support" is checked in document settings. I was
> initially surprised by this (I did not know that the particular document
> used hyperlink insets), although when I realized that hyperlink insets
> were used the behavior of course makes sense.

I don't think hyperref should be loaded if the setting says "no".

Maybe we need an "auto" setting similar to the math packages.
...

> Also, why is it "Use Hyperref Support" and not "Use Hyperref" ? I don't
> see what the word "Support" adds.

The "hyperref" package adds support for hyper-references to the document?

Günter

LyX might still load hyperref if "use hyperref support" is unchecked

[Scott Kostyshak]

If there is a hyperlink inset, LyX seems to use hyperref regardless of
whether "use hyperref support" is checked in document settings. I was
initially surprised by this (I did not know that the particular document
used hyperlink insets), although when I realized that hyperlink insets
were used the behavior of course makes sense.

Currently LyX says "Customize Hyperref Options" if the document class
provides hyperref. Would it be difficult to extend fa19ec6f to say
"Customize Hyperref Options" if LyX is going to use hyperref because of
features within the document, such as an included hyperref inset?
Would we want that?

Trying to think of alternatives to address potential confusion, I only
came up with having a string in document > settings > PDF Properties
saying something like "currently this document will use hyperref because
features in the document (e.g. hyperlinks) need it". But that seems a
little verbose.

Also, why is it "Use Hyperref Support" and not "Use Hyperref" ? I don't
see what the word "Support" adds.

Scott


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