Re: LyX home page oddity

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-04-20, Guenter Milde wrote:
 On 2009-04-16, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
  Do we really assume the average LyX user did not see any LaTeX output
  yet?  

 To some extent, yes. I think a good phrasing would be a mix these
 two possibilities, like looks like nothing else (to somebody who has
 never seen LaTeX output yet) but with a better phrasing :)

 I mean, this is advertisement. I would just leave it as it is.

Are there objections if I change the advertisement to

   its printed output - or richly cross-referenced PDF, just as readily
   produced - looks like nothing else (except for other documents typeset
   with TeX).

?

I suppose this will not loose us potential users from the word-processor
world but avoid putting off potential users from the LaTeX world.

Günter

Re: LyX home page oddity

[Pavel Sanda]

Guenter Milde wrote:
 On 2009-04-20, Guenter Milde wrote:
  On 2009-04-16, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
  Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
   Do we really assume the average LyX user did not see any LaTeX output
   yet?  
 
  To some extent, yes. I think a good phrasing would be a mix these
  two possibilities, like looks like nothing else (to somebody who has
  never seen LaTeX output yet) but with a better phrasing :)
 
  I mean, this is advertisement. I would just leave it as it is.

+1

p

 
 Are there objections if I change the advertisement to
 
its printed output - or richly cross-referenced PDF, just as readily
produced - looks like nothing else (except for other documents typeset
with TeX).
 
 ?
 
 I suppose this will not loose us potential users from the word-processor
 world but avoid putting off potential users from the LaTeX world.
 
 Günter

Re: LyX home page oddity

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-04-20, Guenter Milde wrote:
> On 2009-04-16, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
>> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>> > Do we really assume the average LyX user did not see any LaTeX output
>>> > yet?  

>>> To some extent, yes. I think a good phrasing would be a mix these
>>> two possibilities, like "looks like nothing else (to somebody who has
>>> never seen LaTeX output yet)" but with a better phrasing :)

>> I mean, this is advertisement. I would just leave it as it is.

Are there objections if I change the advertisement to

>   its printed output - or richly cross-referenced PDF, just as readily
>   produced - looks like nothing else (except for other documents typeset
>   with TeX).

?

I suppose this will not loose us potential users from the word-processor
world but avoid putting off potential users from the LaTeX world.

Günter

Re: LyX home page oddity

[Pavel Sanda]

Guenter Milde wrote:
> On 2009-04-20, Guenter Milde wrote:
> > On 2009-04-16, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> >> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> >>> > Do we really assume the average LyX user did not see any LaTeX output
> >>> > yet?  
> 
> >>> To some extent, yes. I think a good phrasing would be a mix these
> >>> two possibilities, like "looks like nothing else (to somebody who has
> >>> never seen LaTeX output yet)" but with a better phrasing :)
> 
> >> I mean, this is advertisement. I would just leave it as it is.

+1

p

> 
> Are there objections if I change the advertisement to
> 
> >   its printed output - or richly cross-referenced PDF, just as readily
> >   produced - looks like nothing else (except for other documents typeset
> >   with TeX).
> 
> ?
> 
> I suppose this will not loose us potential users from the word-processor
> world but avoid putting off potential users from the LaTeX world.
> 
> Günter

Re: LyX home page oddity

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-04-16, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
  Do we really assume the average LyX user did not see any LaTeX output
  yet?  

 To some extent, yes. I think a good phrasing would be a mix these
 two possibilities, like looks like nothing else (to somebody who has
 never seen LaTeX output yet) but with a better phrasing :)

 I mean, this is advertisement. I would just leave it as it is.

But this hype does compromise the creditability of LyX. I don't think we
should use such marketing speak without a grain of salt. 

Something like

  its printed output - or richly cross-referenced PDF, just as readily
  produced - looks like nothing else (except for other documents typeset
  with TeX).

would not only be accurate, but also hint to the point that, unlike some
of the competition, LyX not only uses TeX fonts and conventions but the
true TeX engine for the typesetting.

Günter

Re: LyX home page oddity

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Guenter Milde wrote:
 But this hype does compromise the creditability of LyX. I don't think we
 should use such marketing speak without a grain of salt.

I don't think so. But frankly: I don't care.

Jürgen

Re: LyX home page oddity

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-04-16, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>> > Do we really assume the average LyX user did not see any LaTeX output
>> > yet?  

>> To some extent, yes. I think a good phrasing would be a mix these
>> two possibilities, like "looks like nothing else (to somebody who has
>> never seen LaTeX output yet)" but with a better phrasing :)

> I mean, this is advertisement. I would just leave it as it is.

But this hype does compromise the creditability of LyX. I don't think we
should use such marketing speak without a grain of salt. 

Something like

  its printed output - or richly cross-referenced PDF, just as readily
  produced - looks like nothing else (except for other documents typeset
  with TeX).

would not only be accurate, but also hint to the point that, unlike some
of the competition, LyX not only uses TeX fonts and conventions but the
true TeX engine for the typesetting.

Günter

Re: LyX home page oddity

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Guenter Milde wrote:
> But this hype does compromise the creditability of LyX. I don't think we
> should use such marketing speak without a grain of salt.

I don't think so. But frankly: I don't care.

Jürgen

Re: LyX home page oddity

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de writes:
 On www.lyx.org, I read:

   On screen, LyX looks like any word processor; its printed output - or
   richly cross-referenced PDF, just as readily produced - looks like
   nothing else. 
   
 However, my experience is:  

   ... its printed output - or
   richly cross-referenced PDF, just as readily produced - looks like
   any document typeset with LaTeX.
   
 Do we really assume the average LyX user did not see any LaTeX output
 yet?   

To some extent, yes. I think a good phrasing would be a mix these
two possibilities, like looks like nothing else (to somebody who has
never seen LaTeX output yet) but with a better phrasing :)

JMarc

Re: LyX home page oddity

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
  Do we really assume the average LyX user did not see any LaTeX output
  yet?  

 To some extent, yes. I think a good phrasing would be a mix these
 two possibilities, like looks like nothing else (to somebody who has
 never seen LaTeX output yet) but with a better phrasing :)

I mean, this is advertisement. I would just leave it as it is.

Jürgen

Re: LyX home page oddity

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Guenter Milde  writes:
> On www.lyx.org, I read:
>
>   On screen, LyX looks like any word processor; its printed output - or
>   richly cross-referenced PDF, just as readily produced - looks like
>   nothing else. 
>   
> However, my experience is:  
>
>   ... its printed output - or
>   richly cross-referenced PDF, just as readily produced - looks like
>   any document typeset with LaTeX.
>   
> Do we really assume the average LyX user did not see any LaTeX output
> yet?   

To some extent, yes. I think a good phrasing would be a mix these
two possibilities, like "looks like nothing else (to somebody who has
never seen LaTeX output yet)" but with a better phrasing :)

JMarc

Re: LyX home page oddity

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > Do we really assume the average LyX user did not see any LaTeX output
> > yet?  
>
> To some extent, yes. I think a good phrasing would be a mix these
> two possibilities, like "looks like nothing else (to somebody who has
> never seen LaTeX output yet)" but with a better phrasing :)

I mean, this is advertisement. I would just leave it as it is.

Jürgen

LyX home page oddity

[Guenter Milde]

On www.lyx.org, I read:

  On screen, LyX looks like any word processor; its printed output - or
  richly cross-referenced PDF, just as readily produced - looks like
  nothing else. 
  
However, my experience is:  

  ... its printed output - or
  richly cross-referenced PDF, just as readily produced - looks like
  any document typeset with LaTeX.
  
Do we really assume the average LyX user did not see any LaTeX output
yet?   

LyX home page oddity

[Guenter Milde]

On www.lyx.org, I read:

  On screen, LyX looks like any word processor; its printed output - or
  richly cross-referenced PDF, just as readily produced - looks like
  nothing else. 
  
However, my experience is:  

  ... its printed output - or
  richly cross-referenced PDF, just as readily produced - looks like
  any document typeset with LaTeX.
  
Do we really assume the average LyX user did not see any LaTeX output
yet?   

Chinese LyX, LyX home page stuff

[Amir Karger]

A recent short thread mentioned chinese lyx at http://hpws3.ihep.ac.cn/~zhaojw/.
(Are the folks who are working on Asian character input in touch with this
person?) So why don't we have a link to there at www.lyx.org? 

Might it be time for an "international" page, where we have links to LyX
pages in N languages, especially including those languages for which patches
are needed? In fact, now that I think of it, the first two sections of the
devel.lyx.org translation page don't belong there. Stuff describing all the
languages we can type in LyX belongs on the LyX home page. On the devel
page, we should just say "if there's no po/kmap file for your language
please write one" or something like that. The last section on the devel
page, which describes ongoing doc translation efforts, OTOH, *does* belong
on devel.

Am I going to have to write this thing myself? An American?

-Amir

Chinese LyX, LyX home page stuff

[Amir Karger]

A recent short thread mentioned chinese lyx at http://hpws3.ihep.ac.cn/~zhaojw/.
(Are the folks who are working on Asian character input in touch with this
person?) So why don't we have a link to there at www.lyx.org? 

Might it be time for an "international" page, where we have links to LyX
pages in N languages, especially including those languages for which patches
are needed? In fact, now that I think of it, the first two sections of the
devel.lyx.org translation page don't belong there. Stuff describing all the
languages we can type in LyX belongs on the LyX home page. On the devel
page, we should just say "if there's no po/kmap file for your language
please write one" or something like that. The last section on the devel
page, which describes ongoing doc translation efforts, OTOH, *does* belong
on devel.

Am I going to have to write this thing myself? An American?

-Amir

lyx home page

[Amir Karger]

While we're at it, why isn't Peter Sütterlin's main LyX page
(http://www.uni-sw.gwdg.de/~pit/LyX/) linked in the lyx links (in addition
to his translation page, which is linked from the devel.lyx translations
page). 

-Amir
ps yes, all I ever do is make requests. Well, now that I'm so hugely
powerful, I'm willing to make changes to translations.php3 when necessary...
too bad its group is asierra!

Re: lyx home page

[Alejandro Aguilar Sierra]

On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Amir Karger wrote:

 ps yes, all I ever do is make requests. Well, now that I'm so hugely
 powerful, I'm willing to make changes to translations.php3 when necessary...
 too bad its group is asierra!

Uhh, yes, I put it on line for you, remember? Fortunately I don't
have to do it any more since you can do it yourself (so don't cry ;)

Lars, please change the group to lyxweb and the owner to karger.

Alejandro

lyx home page

[Amir Karger]

While we're at it, why isn't Peter Sütterlin's main LyX page
(http://www.uni-sw.gwdg.de/~pit/LyX/) linked in the lyx links (in addition
to his translation page, which is linked from the devel.lyx translations
page). 

-Amir
ps yes, all I ever do is make requests. Well, now that I'm so hugely
powerful, I'm willing to make changes to translations.php3 when necessary...
too bad its group is asierra!

Re: lyx home page

[Alejandro Aguilar Sierra]

On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Amir Karger wrote:

> ps yes, all I ever do is make requests. Well, now that I'm so hugely
> powerful, I'm willing to make changes to translations.php3 when necessary...
> too bad its group is asierra!

Uhh, yes, I put it on line for you, remember? Fortunately I don't
have to do it any more since you can do it yourself (so don't cry ;)

Lars, please change the group to lyxweb and the owner to karger.

Alejandro