Re: Matrices (math environment)

[Andre Poenitz]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 05:49:04PM -0300, William Burrow wrote:
> I wonder if anybody has experience with creating matrices in Lyx or Latex.

I guess somebody out there has...

> Lamport's book sort of covers using matrices (arrays), but I am unable
> to create a simple matrix using Lyx.  If I could get instructions for
> creating a 3x1 matrix, I should be able to figure out what I need, e.g.
> 
>   [ x ]
>   [ y ]
>   [ z ]

Go into math mode:   or 

Open the math panel (from the edit menu).

Click on  the button with the nine little squares on it.

Choose 1 column and 3 rows

Click ok.


- or -

Typemath-matrix 3 1


Andre'


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Re: LyX

[Allan Rae]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, John O'Gorman wrote:

> Allan Rae wrote:
> >
> This is starting to get boring isn't it?

No,  we've barely scratched the surface!

> But I can't resist 1 more fling. The X of X Window (which was an upgrade
> from the W Window system) is put at the beginning of words (Xfig, Xalan,
> Xinetd, and others). Have you ever seen it put at the end?

What about products like eXceed or other apps like Applix (different
situation admittedly)?

> And if it were the case that LyX was really Ly + X, what would the Ly
> mean?

Have you never heard of people inventing new words?
Small businesses do it all the time.  Name like "Kwik Kopy".  Neither is a
real word.  Neither would submit to your analysis.  So why can't we
engineers and computer scientists also invent new words like LyX?

> Are you sure that both you and they were sober whem you received this
> piece of linguistic arcana 5 year's ago?
>
> I presume that when X window has 2 major upgrades, it will become Z
> Window and you will be able use the mark of Zorro for it.

Maybe but we might leave the X behind as a mark of respect for history.

> John O'Gorman
> >
> > It would if it weren't for the fact that the X was meant to reflect the X
> > in X-Windows.  At least that is what I was told when I first joined the
> > team about 5 years ago.
> > So is the X in X-Windows an X, a Xi, a Chi or the mark of a very drunk
> > Zorro?
> >
> > Allan. (ARRae)
>

Allan. (ARRae)

Re: LyX

[John O'Gorman]

Allan Rae wrote:
> 
This is starting to get boring isn't it?

But I can't resist 1 more fling. The X of X Window (which was an upgrade 
from the W Window system) is put at the beginning of words (Xfig, Xalan,
Xinetd, and others). Have you ever seen it put at the end?

And if it were the case that LyX was really Ly + X, what would the Ly
mean?

Are you sure that both you and they were sober whem you received this
piece
of linguistic arcana 5 year's ago?

I presume that when X window has 2 major upgrades, it will become Z
Window
and you will be able use the mark of Zorro for it.

John O'Gorman
> 
> It would if it weren't for the fact that the X was meant to reflect the X
> in X-Windows.  At least that is what I was told when I first joined the
> team about 5 years ago.
> So is the X in X-Windows an X, a Xi, a Chi or the mark of a very drunk
> Zorro?
> 
> Allan. (ARRae)

2 versions of LyX at the same time

[Gerhard Schuck]

Hi

Is it possible to install two versions of LyX at the same time without any 
problems with configuration files and so on? I would like to install CJK-LyX 
parallel to the "normal" LyX, because the cjk-version has several 
disadvantages for non-cjk texts, e.g. it doesn't accept umlauts, compose key 
doesn't work if the XMODIFIERS variable is set (necessary for kinput) and 
overall it is quite instable (e.g. it crashes if you scroll through the users 
guide).

I'd prefer to install rpms, but probably it won't be possible that way.

Regards
Gerhard Schuck
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Re: LyX

[Allan Rae]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, John O'Gorman wrote:

>  Not so
>
> The letter y is not Latin at all. It was introduced into the Latin
> language (along with z) to render Greek words.
>
> Lyric is a Greek word, not Latin.

I'll consult with my local linguistic guru about other possibilities but I
think you're right about the origin of y.  You haven't said how to
pronounce it though.

> If, as you say, the upercase X of LyX is to echo the X of LaTeX, does
> that not strengthen my case?

It would if it weren't for the fact that the X was meant to reflect the X
in X-Windows.  At least that is what I was told when I first joined the
team about 5 years ago.

> The argument is not really whether LyX is Latin or Greek - the y make
> it Greek. The nub of the matter is whether the x is a Xi or a Chi. The
> uppercase X is the clincher that indicates Chi.

So is the X in X-Windows an X, a Xi, a Chi or the mark of a very drunk
Zorro?

> Incidentally, the x on the end of Unix, is I believe, an echo of the x
> on the end of Asterix, Obelix etc. When Unix was invented (say 1970),
> those brilliant works of Goscinny and Uderzo were wildly popular. It
> is remarkable to think that Gallic heroes like Vercingetorix still
> have an impact on us 2000 years later.

Fascinating.

> John O'Gorman
> > To back up my argument, I recall the original name that was Lyrix which even
> > more resembles the unix/linux family of words (where unix was originally
> > written unics)

Allan. (ARRae)

Re: Changes in LyX

[John Levon]

On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 10:59:33AM +1000, Kathryn Andersen wrote:

> I agree -- if I install something, I want to be able to use a packaging
> system (in my case, RPM not DEB); not because I can't compile things (me

this thread is getting so offtopic it's like a lyx-devel thread ;)

I'm sure Kayvan would be happy to receive working SuSE 7.2 RPMs, and any
other build people do.

regards
john

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Re: Changes in LyX

[Kathryn Andersen]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 12:27:03PM -0400, James Lindenschmidt wrote:
> Tuukka Toivonen Spoke Thusly:
> > On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Sinisa Milivojevic wrote:
> > > But it can not become that if you expect users to build anything from
> > > source. We at MySQL have learned that lesson 3 - 4 years ago.
> >
> > I disagree. Compiling from source _doesn't_ mean that the user
> > should be a programmer. It just has to be easy: it could be as
> > easy as installing a binary, even easier since you generally
> > need not to care so much about correct library versions or
> > even what computer architecture are you using.
> 
> Speaking as a user of Linux (I am very much not a developer), I must agree 
> with Sinisa here. On my Debian system, I will almost always opt to use an 
> older version of software that I can install via apt or dpkg, rather than 
> compiling from source. I am not afraid to compile from source, providing it 
> goes well, but I'd much rather use my packaging system. Debian's packaging 
> system, with which I'm most familiar as a user, is very solid and I'd prefer 
> to let it do all the sysadmin work whenever possible.

I agree -- if I install something, I want to be able to use a packaging
system (in my case, RPM not DEB); not because I can't compile things (me
computer professional, me know how to type "configure;make;make install")
but because packaging systems are designed to be upgradable and easily
uninstallable (do any of these source packages have "make uninstall"?
I don't think so!)  With a packaging system, if an upgrade doesn't work,
I can easily roll back to the previous version I had which did work
(like I had to do recently for vlc...)

Fortunately, source RPMs are a useful solution.  If the binary RPM I get
for something doesn't work, then I look for a source RPM; that way it
will figure out what I have on my system, configure accordingly, and
most of the time it works.

And I only have to type one more line than before.

rpm -rebuild .rpm
rpm -Uvh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/.rpm

(Lyx rocks... but I'm afraid I still haven't upgraded yet to 1.1.6fix3;
other things to do...)

Kathryn Andersen
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Binding font-code as a toggle

[Steve Litt]

Hi everyone,

The font-code LyX function is a toggle. I added it to the menu and the 
toolbar in ~/ui/default.ui, which is a clone of /usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui:

In the toolbar:
Icon "font-code"

In the layout menu:
Item "Code Style|S" "font-code"

It works perfectly in both places except for one thing -- LyX doesn't 
recognize it as a toggle. The button (which is a question mark) doesn't stay 
pushed in, and the menu item doesn't have a pushbutton to its left. What 
makes this strange is that these items are an almost exact direct copy of the 
emphasis style. How does LyX decides one's a toggle and not the other. 
There's no clue in cua.bind or menus.bind.

Thanks

Steve

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Re: What style is best for newly introduced words and terms?

[Steve Litt]

On Thursday 30 August 2001 17:38, Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
> Steve Litt wrote:
> > When writing prose (as opposed to a table of terms and definitions), the
> > new word is typically in italics. Does LyX have a style just for that
> > situation?
> >
> > If not, and if I choose to make my own style, would it be a command or an
> > environment, keeping in mind that it will influence only a few words in a
> > larger paragraph?
>
> I use the built-in (and curiously named) "noun" style.  It probably shows
> up on your toolbar as a button with an exclamation point on it.  Just use
> the mouse to highlight the word or phrase you want to italicize, and click
> that button.
>
> You can do it in the middle of a paragraph without changing the paragraph
> style.  (Or anywhere else, for that matter. I sometimes use it in section
> headings.)
>
> Bobby Bryant
> Austin, Texas

Thanks Bobby,

That's it! Noun style is a picture of a little man on the buttonbar, and 
shows up as small caps. It's perfect for newly introduced terms. 

There's also a button for toggling "user defined style", which is a button 
with the string "Font" on it, which could be used for any other needed 
character style once I make a style to match it.

Thanks again

Steve

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Re: What style is best for newly introduced words and terms?

[Bobby D. Bryant]

Steve Litt wrote:

> When writing prose (as opposed to a table of terms and definitions), the new
> word is typically in italics. Does LyX have a style just for that situation?

> If not, and if I choose to make my own style, would it be a command or an
> environment, keeping in mind that it will influence only a few words in a
> larger paragraph?

I use the built-in (and curiously named) "noun" style.  It probably shows up on
your toolbar as a button with an exclamation point on it.  Just use the mouse
to highlight the word or phrase you want to italicize, and click that button.

You can do it in the middle of a paragraph without changing the paragraph
style.  (Or anywhere else, for that matter. I sometimes use it in section
headings.)

Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas

PDF forms with LaTeX

[Adolfo Pachón]

Hi all!!

I know this is for LyX, but if you could help me ...

I'm trying to create an PDF form from LaTeX.

The compiler process say to me this:

...
Sorry, HyperTeX does not support FORMs
Sorry, HyperTeX does not support FORM text fields
...

¿Any idea?

This is my LaTeX code:

\documentclass[10pt,spanish]{article}
\usepackage[T1]{times}
\usepackage{babel}
\usepackage[bookmarks=false]{hyperref}

\begin{document}

 \begin{Form}[action=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED],method=post]

  \TextField[width=3in,name=nombre,value={Adolfo Pachon}]{Introducza su
Nombre}
  \Submit{Send}
  \Reset{Clear}

 \end{Form}

\end{document}


Thanks

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Matrices (math environment)

[William Burrow]

I wonder if anybody has experience with creating matrices in Lyx or Latex.
Lamport's book sort of covers using matrices (arrays), but I am unable
to create a simple matrix using Lyx.  If I could get instructions for
creating a 3x1 matrix, I should be able to figure out what I need, e.g.

  [ x ]
  [ y ]
  [ z ]

-- 
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We're, all of us, looking for the key.
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Re: a good printer to use with LyX?

[Paul Borgermans]

If you consider HP deskjets, check also

http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/

They are developing drivers to work with ghostscript.

HtH

Renaud MICHEL wrote:
> 
> Le Jeudi 30 Août 2001 21:52, vous avez écrit :
> > Hi,
> > I'm looking for good and economic printer to print files from Lyx.
> > Should be this a postscript level 3?
> > What recommend the Latex Gurus?
> 
> You don't need to have a printer that understand postscript to print
> postscript documents, you just need a postscript driver like dvips, I
> personnaly have a HP660c wich work just fine with cups (mdk 8.0) and dvips
> wich come with tetex.
> So any printer that is supported by your system (linux right ;-) ) will be
> able to print your LaTeX document.
> 
> --
>  les mots, quels qu'ils soient ne doivent pas être source de violence
>  connards
>  -+- In Guide du Neuneu d'Usenet : Comment être ridicule en 2 phrases -+-
> 
> Renaud MICHEL

Re: a good printer to use with LyX?

[Renaud MICHEL]

Le Jeudi 30 Août 2001 21:52, vous avez écrit :
> Hi,
> I'm looking for good and economic printer to print files from Lyx.
> Should be this a postscript level 3?
> What recommend the Latex Gurus?

You don't need to have a printer that understand postscript to print 
postscript documents, you just need a postscript driver like dvips, I 
personnaly have a HP660c wich work just fine with cups (mdk 8.0) and dvips 
wich come with tetex.
So any printer that is supported by your system (linux right ;-) ) will be 
able to print your LaTeX document.

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 connards
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Renaud MICHEL

a good printer to use with LyX?

[Jacobo Myerston]

Hi,
I'm looking for good and economic printer to print files from Lyx. 
Should be this a postscript level 3?
What recommend the Latex Gurus?
-- 

Re: Importing images in latex (jpg, wmf, ...)

[Steve Litt]

On Thursday 30 August 2001 13:44, Marco Allione wrote:
> I have a problem! I am a new latex utilizer and I've found some problems in
> inserting figures in my latex document.
> How can I made to imsert a wmf image in my document?
> Can I have some help in such a problem please? Does anybody can tell me
> where I could find some complete guide on the use of graphic files of
> extension .wmf, .bmp or .jpg in the Net?
> Tank you for your help. Hello.
> Marco.
>

Hi Marco,

My way might not be the best way, but on my Linux system I either use the 
convert program to convert it from (in my case) .gif or .png to .eps, or I 
use Gimp to pull it up, tweak it (probably make it grayscale), and then save 
it as an .eps. If you're a Windows user there are probably many programs to 
do similar functions.

Once you have it in .eps format, just use Insert->figure and follow the 
dialog boxes.

Steve

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Importing images in latex (jpg, wmf, ...)

[Marco Allione]

I have a problem! I am a new latex utilizer and I've found some problems in 
inserting figures in my latex document.
How can I made to imsert a wmf image in my document?
Can I have some help in such a problem please? Does anybody can tell me 
where I could find some complete guide on the use of graphic files of 
extension .wmf, .bmp or .jpg in the Net?
Tank you for your help. Hello.
Marco.

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Re: LyX

[John O'Gorman]

 Not so

The letter y is not Latin at all. It was introduced into the Latin
language
(along with z) to render Greek words.

Lyric is a Greek word, not Latin.

If, as you say, the upercase X of LyX is to echo the X of LaTeX, does
that
not strengthen my case?

The argument is not really whether LyX is Latin or Greek - the y make it
Greek.
The nub of the matter is whether the x is a Xi or a Chi. The uppercase X
is
the clincher that indicates Chi.

Incidentally, the x on the end of Unix, is I believe, an echo of the x
on the
end of Asterix, Obelix etc. When Unix was invented (say 1970), those
brilliant
works of Goscinny and Uderzo were wildly popular. It is remarkable to
think
that Gallic heroes like Vercingetorix still have an impact on us 2000
years
later.

John O'Gorman
> To back up my argument, I recall the original name that was Lyrix which even
> more resembles the unix/linux family of words (where unix was originally
> written unics)
> 
> Guenter
> 
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

References to chapters???

[Steve Litt]

I'd like to refer to chapters like this:

This is discussed further in chapter 12, Creating the Web Page, on page 145.

The only way I could find to do this involved inserting a label, and there 
was no way to get the chapter name. You'd think this would be possible due to 
the fact that this was a chapter. What am I missing?

Thanks

Steve

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Re: What about numbering in the figures/tables?

[Jean-Pierre.Chretien]

>>Subject: What about numbering in the figures/tables?
>>From: Adolfo Pachón <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Date: 30 Aug 2001 18:19:54 +0200
>>
>>Hi all!!
>>
>>I've an Lyx document whith images and tables, into a floats. The DVI
>>output puts "figure 1.", but the latex2html output writes "Figure".
>>
>>Why?
>>It's a problem of my .latex2html-init configuration?

If no .aux file exists, I think that no numbering is set
even if you asked for it in the init file or on the command line.
In the same line, section numbering does not work in lines
with diacritics (but this one may be solved in recent versions).

-- 
Jean-Pierre

Re: Changes in LyX

[James Lindenschmidt]

Tuukka Toivonen Spoke Thusly:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Sinisa Milivojevic wrote:
> > But it can not become that if you expect users to build anything from
> > source. We at MySQL have learned that lesson 3 - 4 years ago.
>
> I disagree. Compiling from source _doesn't_ mean that the user
> should be a programmer. It just has to be easy: it could be as
> easy as installing a binary, even easier since you generally
> need not to care so much about correct library versions or
> even what computer architecture are you using.

Speaking as a user of Linux (I am very much not a developer), I must agree 
with Sinisa here. On my Debian system, I will almost always opt to use an 
older version of software that I can install via apt or dpkg, rather than 
compiling from source. I am not afraid to compile from source, providing it 
goes well, but I'd much rather use my packaging system. Debian's packaging 
system, with which I'm most familiar as a user, is very solid and I'd prefer 
to let it do all the sysadmin work whenever possible.

Interesting discussion...LyX rules. I'm so glad it's available to me for my 
writing. Thank you everyone!
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What style is best for newly introduced words and terms?

[Steve Litt]

When writing prose (as opposed to a table of terms and definitions), the new 
word is typically in italics. Does LyX have a style just for that situation?

If not, and if I choose to make my own style, would it be a command or an 
environment, keeping in mind that it will influence only a few words in a 
larger paragraph?

Thanks

Steve

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What about numbering in the figures/tables?

[Adolfo Pachón]

Hi all!!

I've an Lyx document whith images and tables, into a floats. The DVI
output puts "figure 1.", but the latex2html output writes "Figure".

Why?
It's a problem of my .latex2html-init configuration?

Thanks


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How to get bullets (and other things) into the newlfm letter layout.

[Pete Phillips]

As mentioned to this list before, I have created a layout and template
file for the newlfm latex package. I find the newlfm package superb
for creating your own bespoke letter layout with logo, address
information etc already canned in the letrinfo.tex configfuration
file.

However, I would like to be able to insert bullet lists etc into the
letter. What do I need to add to the layout file for this to work ?

My layout file is enclosed in case it is of interest to someone
(please don't laugh).

Pete


 smtl-letter.layout

RE: Changes in LyX

[Sinisa Milivojevic]

Juergen Vigna writes:
> 
> On 30-Aug-2001 Sinisa Milivojevic wrote:
> 
> > Fair enough. Although, I never said you were BAD, nor bad ...
> 
> No you never said I understood it like that.
> 

God forbid me !! 



> 
> Then she has the wrong system administrator ;)
> 

Yes, the one too busy to fix his machine, much less hers  ;o)

> 
> Anyway as it seems your "tone" got better with this mail I will try to help
> solve your problem (hopefully ;)
> 
> Get yourself:
> 
> ftp://ftp.sad.it/pub/kde/local/bin/rh7x/ksendfax-2.0.0cvs-2.i386.rpm
> 
> And try to install this.
> 
> Greets,
> 
>   Jürgen
> 
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> Anybody with money to burn will easily find someone to tend the fire.
> 
> 

I did solve the problem partially. 

After spending 1 hour, I found ksendfax that works on my wife's
machine. But it does not work properly. Some things work, some
not. But this is not mailing list for that product, so ...

I will have to spend one more hour to make it work eventually, if
ever. 

But it will never be as good as old feature that you have killed for
the reasons known only to you.

I want LyX to reigh, and it will not until lawyers and ice-cream
makers will be able to upgrade effortlessly.

That is all I wanted to say. 

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RE: Changes in LyX

[Juergen Vigna]

On 30-Aug-2001 Sinisa Milivojevic wrote:

> Fair enough. Although, I never said you were BAD, nor bad ...

No you never said I understood it like that.

> Sorry, you are wrong. There is neither ksendfax nor xsendfax in SuSE
> 7.2 and you can not install packages from 7.1. Check it out. I have
> all 7 CD's here with me. 

Well we cannot provide all external software which is needed for LyX and
anyway "we" all blame "Him" (he knows) to remove this part of code, but
anyway we agreed with it and so be it.

> The issue is that it is not 10 secs. I have told you about SuSE and I
> phoned my friend who has RH 7.1 and he told me the same thing. 

Well I surely have RH 7.1 installed and there surely is a package for
RH 7.1 which will install.

> No , I did not give the answer. My wife refuses to install from
> source. She wants, just as most other users to have controlled RPM
> installation of what she needs.

Then she has the wrong system administrator ;)

> No, I am not a 'Lamer'. I just ask: Why kill something that works fine
> 

Well the tone makes the mail, you can always "ask", but your mail was not
a question is was an accusation with the implication that you would make
it a lot better.

> And fax sending from previous LyX worked perfectly. 
> 
> We should learn from competition if we are not sure. 
> 
> Even that rubbish of MS Word has fax sending in the same place it was
> 5 years ago 

Anyway as it seems your "tone" got better with this mail I will try to help
solve your problem (hopefully ;)

Get yourself:

ftp://ftp.sad.it/pub/kde/local/bin/rh7x/ksendfax-2.0.0cvs-2.i386.rpm

And try to install this.

Greets,

  Jürgen

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Re: Changes in LyX

[Kayvan A. Sylvan]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 03:33:50PM +0300, Sinisa Milivojevic wrote:
> Andre Poenitz writes:
> > On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 02:45:39PM +0300, Sinisa Milivojevic wrote:
> > > Have you tried to install it on SuSE 7.2 ??
> > > 
> > > Try it !
> > 
> > No. Simply because I don't have 7.2.
> > 
> > Why does the 7.1 package not install?
> > 
> > Andre'
> 
> Differences in KDE libs versions ...

Okay, then he should make himself a custom RPM by doing an
``rpm --rebuild ksendfax_blah.src.rpm'' and then install the resulting
RPM.

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Re: Changes in LyX

[Renaud MICHEL]

Le Jeudi 30 Août 2001 12:27, vous avez écrit :
> Please all you developers of LyX (regardless of how it is pronounced)
> don't be discouraged by the complaint replied to below.

I agree, from time to time it is good that satisfied users say how they like 
a program and I really like LyX, it is great, keep going.

Just another satisfied user. (j'ajouterais bien comblé si je savait comment 
le dire en anglais ;-) ).

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Re: Changes in LyX

[Juha Siltala]

Tuukka Toivonen wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Sinisa Milivojevic wrote:
> 
> 
>>But it can not become that if you expect users to build anything from
>>source. We at MySQL have learned that lesson 3 - 4 years ago.
>>
--snip--
> 
> The GNU ./configure; make; make install is very good, but
> for anybody even that is too difficult I guess. But a simple
> graphical wraparound of the process should be easy to do.
> (I have planned to do a GUI configure package installer,
> although I have left it at the planning stage so far)
> 

check out kconfigure. Just a frienly face to the above process. Also, 
checkinstall, which replaces "make install" with "checkinstall" -- the 
result is an rpm.

Find these utilities with google: no time to search now. (I'm moving so 
I'll be offline for a while now.)


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About the \url{} in exported PDFs

[Adolfo Pachón]

Hi all!!

I have used the url & html packages in the LaTeX Preamble in Lyx. I
write in the Lyx text something like this "see the homepage in
\url{http://www.homepage.com} ..." and it works ok in DVI output, but in
the PDFlatex output from Lyx->Export->PDF(pdflatex) it writes this "see
the home page in http://www.homepage.comhttp://www.homepage.com ...".

How can I resolv this error?

Thanks
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(Director Desarrollos).

Re: Changes in LyX

[Tuukka Toivonen]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Sinisa Milivojevic wrote:

> But it can not become that if you expect users to build anything from
> source. We at MySQL have learned that lesson 3 - 4 years ago.

I disagree. Compiling from source _doesn't_ mean that the user
should be a programmer. It just has to be easy: it could be as
easy as installing a binary, even easier since you generally
need not to care so much about correct library versions or
even what computer architecture are you using.

The only downside is that compiling takes some time. But with
fast computers it is not a big deal, I think.

The problem presently is that the C and especially C++
APIs and system environments tend to change often and you need
to modify some bit in the source to get it to compile.
But this is a thing that just should be standardized well enough
(not completely, but enough so that configure can do the rest).
(also one problem is the unstable compilers RedHat is using,
one would need a reliable compiler)

Of course, if a binary distribution doesn't work out of the
box there's usually nothing you can do and so it is "easier".

The GNU ./configure; make; make install is very good, but
for anybody even that is too difficult I guess. But a simple
graphical wraparound of the process should be easy to do.
(I have planned to do a GUI configure package installer,
although I have left it at the planning stage so far)

Re: Changes in LyX

[Sinisa Milivojevic]

Andre Poenitz writes:
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 02:45:39PM +0300, Sinisa Milivojevic wrote:
> > Have you tried to install it on SuSE 7.2 ??
> > 
> > Try it !
> 
> No. Simply because I don't have 7.2.
> 
> Why does the 7.1 package not install?
> 
> Andre'
> 
> -- 
> André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

Differences in KDE libs versions ...

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Re: Check out my Warning environment

[Steve Litt]

On Thursday 30 August 2001 03:58, you wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:20:29 -0400 wrote Steve Litt 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > In the final product it has a line above the word WARNING and below the
> > last word of the warning text. I couldn't figure out how to do the lines
> > in LyX but that's not a big issue anyway.
> >
> > The only bad part is it's ragged right in the finished product -- but
> > that's not that terrible either.
>
> Just leave out the  \flushleft in your definition.

Trouble with leaving out \flushleft is the entire warning becomes centered 
like the label. What I really need is the equivalent of \noraggedright.

The only reason I didn't use a quote environment is I was unable to adjust 
the margins with any style but list. Sounds strange, but my 
\setlength{\leftmargin}{\scratchLength} and 
\setlength{\rightmargin}{\leftmargin} wouldn't work in anything but list. I 
just tried it on your code using the quote environment, and once again I 
couldn't control the margins with \setlength{\leftmargin} et. al. Also, 
unless I inserted the \flushleft the whole thing was centered, and when I 
inserted \flushleft the right became ragged.

The plot thickens :-)

I really want to thank you for all this help. Because of all the help from 
you and the others, I was able to construct Story, Tip, Warning, BigCallout 
(with no title). They aren't perfect yet but they're enough that yesterday I 
was able to write the first few pages of my book.

Steve


>
> But why dont't you use the "ready made" quote environment?
>
> Style Warning
>   LatexType Environment
>   LatexName warning_l
>   LabelType Centered_Top_Environment
>   LabelString   "-- WARNING --"
>   # (mimick the line above)
>   Alignblock
>   AlignPossible block, left, right, center
>   LeftMargin"M"
>   RightMargin   "M"
>   ParSkip   0.7
>   ParSep0.7
>   TopSep0.7
>   BottomSep 0.7
>   Preamble
> \newenvironment{warning_l}
> {
>\begin{quote}
>\hrulefill\\
>\centering WARNING\\[0.5cm]
> }
> {
>\\
>\hrulefill\\
>\end{quote}
> }
>   EndPreamble
> End
>
> LyX offers the possibility to insert lines above and below a paragraph from
> the Layout|Paragraph menu. These lines also show up in the GUI. But you
> have to ask the lyx-gurus, whether this functionality can be included in a
> style definition - the doc doesnot tell anything about it, so I suppose it
> is not. (-> feature request).
>
> Guenter
>
> --
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Re: About the print of urls in DVI/PS files from Lyx

[Jean-Pierre.Chretien]

>>Subject: About the print of urls in DVI/PS files from Lyx
>>From: Adolfo Pachón <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: Lyx Users <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Date: 30 Aug 2001 11:52:26 +0200
>>
>>Hi all!!
>>
>>I write something like this:
>>
>>"See the home page in http://www.homepage.com from here..."
>>
>>I've probe in Lyx with:
>>
>>\url{}
>>\htmladdnormallink{}
>>Insert->URL
>>
>>When I export from Lyx to DVI or PS, the above text appears like this:
>>
>>"See the home pagehttp://www.homepage.comhttp://www.homepage.com from
>>here ..."
>>
>>How can I resolv this?
>>
>>Thanks
>>-- 
>>
>>
>>Adolfo Pachón
>>(Director Desarrollos).
>>

Have a look at
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg12114.html
I suggested to use use teh popup to design the anchor.
The script is a bit too complex due to the fact that it
aims to keep the TeX typography as psecigied in LyX, but
it n=must be easy to simplify :=)

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Re: Changes in LyX

[Andre Poenitz]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 02:45:39PM +0300, Sinisa Milivojevic wrote:
> Have you tried to install it on SuSE 7.2 ??
> 
> Try it !

No. Simply because I don't have 7.2.

Why does the 7.1 package not install?

Andre'

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Re: Changes in LyX

[Sinisa Milivojevic]

Andre Poenitz writes:
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 09:57:08AM +0200, Juergen Vigna wrote:
> SuSE 7.1 rpms are on
> 
> http://cgi.tu-chemnitz.de/ftp-home///pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.c
> om/suse/i386/7.1/suse/kpa1/ksendfax.rpm
> 
> It took me less than a minute to locate, download, su, and install.
> Haven't checked whether it works since I do not have a fax machine.
> 

Have you tried to install it on SuSE 7.2 ??

Try it !

> Andre'
> 
> -- 
> André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

I wish LyX becomes most popular document (not word) processor in the
world, as it IS the best. 

But it can not become that if you expect users to build anything from
source. We at MySQL have learned that lesson 3 - 4 years ago.

You should set your target group at non-programmers. People like
lawyers, ice-cream makers (you had one user I know off that made
ice-cream) etc ...

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RE: Changes in LyX

[Sinisa Milivojevic]

Juergen Vigna writes:
> Dear Sinisa!
> 
> I will Cc: this to the developers list so that all of this "BAD" people
> know what you think!
> 

Fair enough. Although, I never said you were BAD, nor bad ...

> 
> Nonsense there are RPM packages for RedHat and I guess you can install
> them also for SuSE and it takes you exactly 10secs to install it!
> 

Sorry, you are wrong. There is neither ksendfax nor xsendfax in SuSE
7.2 and you can not install packages from 7.1. Check it out. I have
all 7 CD's here with me. 

> You mean all our users who used the OLD fax facility and who are not
> dynamic enough to spend 10secs to install a program from a RPM package!
> 

The issue is that it is not 10 secs. I have told you about SuSE and I
phoned my friend who has RH 7.1 and he told me the same thing. 

There are ksendfax RPM's on ksendfax SourceForge page, but none will
install. 

> 
> > So, what should we do ??
> 
> 
> You gave yourself an answer above didn't you!
> 

No , I did not give the answer. My wife refuses to install from
source. She wants, just as most other users to have controlled RPM
installation of what she needs.

> 
> > 
> > What you could do 5 years ago with MySQL, you can do today. Are there
> > new and better ways today ?? Yes, but those new features do not kill
> > old features. None.
> 
> 
> Well I have a big smile now on my face, we're using MySQL and it seems
> it gets slower and slower at every release, especially joins with range
> values takes forever to complete on a medium/large sized database, I don't
> really call this "good behavior", but We probably see that from a different
> perspective that you "REALLY BRAVE" mysql developers!
> 

Why are you changing the issue ?? I was speaking about removing
features , not about speed. I did not say LyX is slower or faster. 

I said that what you did 5 years ago with MySQL, you can do today. Are
there better ways to do same thing today. Yes, many, but none of them
killed the old feature. 

Regarding speed, 4.0 will be soon out and you will definitely see
speed improvements. If you have any questions on improving join
speeds, please feel free to write to me directly. I use LyX for all
documentation and it is fair to give back something in return
... Anyway, it is possible your join speeds deteriorated due to larger
tables, not because of MySQL. And you probably did not run ANALYZE
TABLE periodically to help MySQL optimizer do a better job.

> You gave yourself an answer already for this question didn't you!
> 

No, I did not. My wife installed LyX from SuSE 7.0 and it sent
faxes. How can  LyX be installed from SuSE 7.2 or RH 7.1, through a
normal RPM installation. 

> How are people called who do personal emails like this one to OpenSource
> developers, ..., hmm, ..., let me think, ..., ah I got it, I think the
> right term I heard on the net was "Lamers" isn't it? There are people
> who terminated projects because of people like you, but you know, I'm
> just to happy with my life to let me touch by such "overbearingness"!
> 
> Have a nice day,
> 
>  Jürgen
> 
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> -- Lao Tsu
> 
> 


No, I am not a 'Lamer'. I just ask: Why kill something that works fine


And fax sending from previous LyX worked perfectly. 

We should learn from competition if we are not sure. 

Even that rubbish of MS Word has fax sending in the same place it was
5 years ago 

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Lyx: some questions and many thanks

[Uwe Grossmann]

Hi Lyxer,
first of all: Congratulation to the team, Lyx 1.1.6 is fine!
I make some Icons for the taskbar. I missed there Icons for reference,
label, citation, and floats.

I've also some remarks:

If I make a float with a table, it's a little bit difficult to place the
table. I had to push RETURN in the caption-line to create a new line
above the caption-line placing the table. Without RETURN Lyx places the
table in the caption-line. The float with the figure works well.

I use tkbibtex and if i try to configure the lyxpipe (in the german lyx
version Einstellungen-Eingabe-Pfade) but I had to type the path with the
keyboard. Browse and search the right path didn't save it in the
field.This is not so important, because the new funktion allows to get a
citation very easy in the documents. So I need tkbibtex only for data
input

More trouble I get with the spellchecker. I use ispell, i write my
documents with ngerman. So I selected for ispell german in the
configuration. ispell seems not to recognize german Umlaute. e.g. 'über'
it want to replace with 'u"ber' and even if I tell it to save this word,
the next 'über' it's the same play. The same seems to happen with the
plural and the 'konjungierte Wörter'.

Sometimes Lyx breaks down without any warning. I couldn't find a system
in this behavior. But fortunately the emergency-saving works almost
perfect.

And sometimes it 'jumps' to another part of the document, if I try to
insert a reference (no I don't push go to :-)) in my text.


My System: SUSE 7.0 and the lyx-rpm for SUSE 6.4 from P.Suetterlin
(thanks for your work and your fine page for lyx
(http://www.uni-sw.gwdg.de/~pit/LyX/))
Thanks also to Herbert Voss for his fine page for lyx. Both were a
wonderful help for my beginning with lyx.

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About the print of urls in DVI/PS files from Lyx

[Adolfo Pachón]

Hi all!!

I write something like this:

"See the home page in http://www.homepage.com from here..."

I've probe in Lyx with:

\url{}
\htmladdnormallink{}
Insert->URL

When I export from Lyx to DVI or PS, the above text appears like this:

"See the home pagehttp://www.homepage.comhttp://www.homepage.com from
here ..."

How can I resolv this?

Thanks
-- 


Adolfo Pachón
(Director Desarrollos).

Re: Changes in LyX

[Thomas Schönhoff]

Hello all,

I am totally agree to John's statement (although not being a
professional software developer! :-) ). Hopefully no ones basic
motivation has been serioussly damaged by this little crappy thread
before!

All the best from an (almost) totally satified user

Thomas

John O'Gorman wrote:
> 
> Please all you developers of LyX (regardless of how it is pronounced)
> don't be discouraged by the complaint replied to below.
> 
> I regard LyX as the best piece of software ever!
> 
> For me it has changed writing documentation (the task I used to hate
> most) into a joy.  I can produce high quality, superb looking books
> at lightning speed with no thought for anything but the content.
> 
> It works the way I believe document processors should - you simply
> write (marking up the logical divisions of the text appropriately)
> and the software does all the rest.
> No fussing over fonts, sizes, layout, hyphenation.  Production of Tables
> of contents, automatic (re)numbering of sections etc. all come with no
> effort by the author.
> 
> Another bonus is its superb output of which I feel (quite unjustifiably)
> proud. This, of course, is the work of LaTeX rather than LyX.
> 
> But LyX has eliminated the need for learning LaTeX, the need to have
> good aesthetic judgment, and the need for any typsetting skill or
> judgement.
> 
> Please! Please keep up the good work.
> Most of us know that you cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs.
> So glitches in progress towards ultimate mirvana are inevitable.
> As a professional software developer, I appreciate the contribution
> you have made to my quality of life.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> John O'Gorman

Re: Changes in LyX

[John O'Gorman]

Please all you developers of LyX (regardless of how it is pronounced)
don't be discouraged by the complaint replied to below.

I regard LyX as the best piece of software ever!

For me it has changed writing documentation (the task I used to hate
most) into a joy.  I can produce high quality, superb looking books
at lightning speed with no thought for anything but the content.

It works the way I believe document processors should - you simply
write (marking up the logical divisions of the text appropriately)
and the software does all the rest.
No fussing over fonts, sizes, layout, hyphenation.  Production of Tables 
of contents, automatic (re)numbering of sections etc. all come with no
effort by the author.

Another bonus is its superb output of which I feel (quite unjustifiably)
proud. This, of course, is the work of LaTeX rather than LyX.

But LyX has eliminated the need for learning LaTeX, the need to have
good aesthetic judgment, and the need for any typsetting skill or
judgement.

Please! Please keep up the good work. 
Most of us know that you cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs.
So glitches in progress towards ultimate mirvana are inevitable.
As a professional software developer, I appreciate the contribution
you have made to my quality of life.

Best wishes

John O'Gorman


Andre Poenitz wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 09:57:08AM +0200, Juergen Vigna wrote:
> > > SuSE 7.2 does not have ksendfax, nor does RedHat 7.*.
> > >
> > > Why have you done the above  ??
> > >
> > > It worked perfectly !!
> > >
> > > Now, I have to loose 3 hours of my work to find sources, build,
> > > install , tweak etc ... I do not have those 3 hours.
> 
> SuSE 7.1 rpms are on
> 
> http://cgi.tu-chemnitz.de/ftp-home///pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.c
> om/suse/i386/7.1/suse/kpa1/ksendfax.rpm
> 
> It took me less than a minute to locate, download, su, and install.
> Haven't checked whether it works since I do not have a fax machine.
> 
> > > I work 12 hours per day already.
> 
> And that means what?
> 
> Andre'
> 
> --
> André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: LyX

[John O'Gorman]

Guenter Milde wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:57:22 +1200 wrote John O'Gorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > > >>in North American English -how is "LyX" pronounced?
> 
> > For God's sake!
> >
> > Just pronounce it like the lych in polychromatic.
> > There is no need to attempt to aspirate the CH im true Greek of Slav
> > fashion.
> > For native speakers of English, attempts to aspirate CH or KH produce
> > unseemy gobs of
> > mucus.
> 
> But then it would become [lic] or [lik], so you better do it similar to Styx
> (or, regarding the x, like fix, unix, linux, sex, Marx, ... i.e. the normal

But it is LyX not lyx ( Note your examples are all xs not CHIs ) 
There is a Greek letter Xi (which is transliterated as x in words like
lynx) 
and is NOT the same as CHI (which is transliterated as X in words like
TeX
or as ch in words like technical or polychromatic) 
> way)
> 
> Guenter
> 
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Changes in LyX

[Kayvan A. Sylvan]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:05:15AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> 
> It took me less than a minute to locate, download, su, and install.
> Haven't checked whether it works since I do not have a fax machine.
> 
> > > I work 12 hours per day already.
> 
> And that means what?

It means he's a slacker! I work about 14 hours a day and I spend an hour
or two on top of that doing other non-work work. ;-)

Sleep, what is that? Sleep is for WIMPS and LOSERS!

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Re: Changes in LyX

[Andre Poenitz]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 09:57:08AM +0200, Juergen Vigna wrote:
> > SuSE 7.2 does not have ksendfax, nor does RedHat 7.*.
> > 
> > Why have you done the above  ??
> > 
> > It worked perfectly !!
> > 
> > Now, I have to loose 3 hours of my work to find sources, build,
> > install , tweak etc ... I do not have those 3 hours.

SuSE 7.1 rpms are on

http://cgi.tu-chemnitz.de/ftp-home///pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.c
om/suse/i386/7.1/suse/kpa1/ksendfax.rpm

It took me less than a minute to locate, download, su, and install.
Haven't checked whether it works since I do not have a fax machine.

> > I work 12 hours per day already.

And that means what?

Andre'

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RE: Changes in LyX

[Juergen Vigna]

Dear Sinisa!

I will Cc: this to the developers list so that all of this "BAD" people
know what you think!

On 29-Aug-2001 Sinisa Milivojevic wrote:
> 
>> The internal fax-facility has been removed from LyX so you need an
>> external program (Frontend) to the faxpackage you've installed to be
>> able to fax your stuff with some confort. I use KSendFax for this as
>> it uses the same addressbook format as the old implementation in LyX
>> (which was both programmed by myself) if you don't have KDE installed
>> then you can also try to compile/install xsendfax a Fax-Frontend identicall
>> to the one included in LyX with the xforms library. Search it on ftp.sad.it.
>> 
>> If you have such a "Frontend" the you can go into Edit->Preferences->Converters
>> and input a converter for the "Fax-Converter".
>> 
>> From: Postscript
>> To: Fax
>> Converter: ksendfax $$i
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>>Jürgen
> 
> 
> No, it does not.
> 
> SuSE 7.2 does not have ksendfax, nor does RedHat 7.*.
> 
> Why have you done the above  ??
> 
> It worked perfectly !!
> 
> Now, I have to loose 3 hours of my work to find sources, build,
> install , tweak etc ... I do not have those 3 hours. I work 12 hours
> per day already.


Nonsense there are RPM packages for RedHat and I guess you can install
them also for SuSE and it takes you exactly 10secs to install it!


> This way you will loose all users, one by one. 


You mean all our users who used the OLD fax facility and who are not
dynamic enough to spend 10secs to install a program from a RPM package!


> I recommended LyX for invoicing and faxing to several folks. They all
> upgraded ( for their own reasons) and ask me what to do. They are
> lawyers etc, and they can't build, tweak etc. I told them : Switch to
> StarOffice. 


I recommend OpenOffice it is REALLY feature complete VERY fast, has a
wonderful print engine, just it segfaults from time to time and to input
some text you need quite some time as the screen/redraw seems a bit slow.


> So, what should we do ??


You gave yourself an answer above didn't you!


> If we in MySQL would do such nonsense as you do with LyX, we would be
> without users. 
> 
> What you could do 5 years ago with MySQL, you can do today. Are there
> new and better ways today ?? Yes, but those new features do not kill
> old features. None.


Well I have a big smile now on my face, we're using MySQL and it seems
it gets slower and slower at every release, especially joins with range
values takes forever to complete on a medium/large sized database, I don't
really call this "good behavior", but We probably see that from a different
perspective that you "REALLY BRAVE" mysql developers!


> You, LyX developers,  are all very irresponsible people, and if you
> continue that way, LyX will have not much of the future, although it
> is a best word processor around.


It's no word processor it's a "document" processor, but thanks for the
compliment!


> If you make a single change in some other feature, like HTML
> generation, that would require another 3 hours of my work, I will
> erase LyX.
> 
> So, what should I do ??


You gave yourself an answer already for this question didn't you!

How are people called who do personal emails like this one to OpenSource
developers, ..., hmm, ..., let me think, ..., ah I got it, I think the
right term I heard on the net was "Lamers" isn't it? There are people
who terminated projects because of people like you, but you know, I'm
just to happy with my life to let me touch by such "overbearingness"!

Have a nice day,

 Jürgen

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