Re: Enumeration/conversion issues of 1.4.1 - 1.3.x files (important exams)
Charles de Miramon wrote: Users have a lot of problems with enumerations in LyX. I think there is a need to a more powerful interface (maybe with all the features of mdwlist) with a finer control of setting and resetting enumeration numbers. I think paralist is even a bit more powerful than mdwlist. Anyway, either would be great :) Yours, Karsten -- | ~ Karsten Heymann ~ | Christian-Albrecht-Universität zu Kiel | | Fon: +49 431 880-1186 |Netzwerkteam des Ökologiezentrum| | Fax: +49 431 880-4083 | http://www.ecology.uni-kiel.de | | - Selbständiger EDV-Dienstleister im Auftrag des ÖZK - | signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
wish for item under insert special formatting
i am tweaking layout for a double-sided document. i am fitting in blank pages in order to get certain sections on even pages - and i use crufty page breaks and protected blanks for this. i wish for some items under special formatting: 1) insert blank page 2) insert blank pages until even 3) insert blank pages until odd. there should also be an argument to control page style. would this be a good idea? martin
[announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
Hello LyXers, under https://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5117release_id=9869 you can find the windows installer for LyX 1.4.1. To learn more about the LyX installer for Windows, have a look at http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyXWinInstaller You can install LyX 1.4.1 aditionally to LyX 1.3.7, that means you can use LyX 1.4 with having a stable working LyX 1.3 release on your system. These problems are known: - LyX's menus are not localized (english is used) - all toolbar buttons are disabled after you opened a dialog, they are deactivated when you click in the text (see LyX's bug 2423) - LyX couldn't be started when there is a drive letter J on your system Some users reported some problems about tex2lyx (LyX's Menu File - Import) in this Windows installer (Angus' version): http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyX14x They are not in LyXWinInstaller. Due to lack of time I can only give support for LyXWinInstaller, not for Angus' installer version. Here's the changelog: - the first version of the installer that comes with LyX 1.4 - LyX 1.4.1svn can be installed additionally to LyX 1.3.x - pdf images are now displayed with their bounding box (for more details see LyX's bug #2418: http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2418 ) - LaTeX packages needed by beamer and powerdot will now automatically be installed when LyX is first configured - fix bug that MiKTeX is not recognized when it is installed only for the current user - updated to GSview 4.8 - updated to Imagemagick 6.2.7 - updated to aspell 0.60-4 -- LyX 1.4 needs aspell 0.60.4 for spellchecking, that means you have to install new dictionaries after you installed LyX 1.4. You can download them from http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/Aspell6 LyXWinInstaller comes with these additional features in comparison to the official release: - layout files for beamer and powerdot - slightly different toolbar, see http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/UserInterface best regards Uwe
Re: poor resolution for svg
Russell Davie schrieb: When Lyx (1.4.1) makes ps or pdf, the svg graphic is really scratchy. Could you please send an example svg file. I've looked for the converter and can't find it in the ToolsPreferencesConverter Then the default converter Imagemagick is used. regards Uwe
Re: LyX 1.4.x user interface : problem with accented characters. (fr_FR)
Georg Baum wrote: Nicolas Dubuit wrote: I'm afraid I didn't explain clearly the solution. I think you did, but others mixed it up with other related problems. Actually this was not a language problem (the interface was in french already!) but a charset problem (special characters were not rendered correctly). Only fr_FR.utf8 was available on my system, so I just had to add fr_FR.iso88591 to have lyx working properly. This is the important point, it should probably go somewhere to the wiki. Note however that this didn't screw anything else, as my default locale is still fr-FR.utf8 - even starting LyX with LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 lyx-qt works, as lyx is now able to find iso-8859-1 . Yes, that is how it should work. Well - lyx itself will work as lyx knows how to set a useful locale for itself. My experience (from 1.4-cvs) was that this is _not_ enough to make the spellchecker work. The spellchecker will then complain about every non-ascii because it interprets the iso8859 encoded word as invalid utf-8. But if you use export LANG=fr_FR.iso8859-1 ; lyx then you ensure that not only lyx, but also the spellchecker lyx starts, runs with the 8859 encoding. And then you can spellcheck too. :-) Helge Hafting
Re: poor resolution for svg
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:00:43 +0200 Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russell Davie schrieb: When Lyx (1.4.1) makes ps or pdf, the svg graphic is really scratchy. Could you please send an example svg file. Ok, its attached its a graph generated from gnumeric, then edited in sodipodi. Eventually I saved the graph as a 300dpi png which worked. I've looked for the converter and can't find it in the ToolsPreferencesConverter Then the default converter Imagemagick is used. Ahhh So how can the default Imagemagick be changed? regards Russell regards Uwe measles-vaccinations-qalys1.svg Description: image/svg
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
you can find the windows installer for LyX 1.4.1. This comes a week later after all my troubles with the official installer (see my another email), still this installer should be celebrated! Uwe, I have asked before what has prevented us to make your installer the official one. If the inclusion of programs have been a problem, now, you can at least ignore ghostview, acrobat reader etc, since the viewer logic will be (I hope so) different in 1.4.2: a user will be prompted by windows to install gs/pdf/whatever viewer. There will be no longer troubles in setting up $path to ghostview/acrobat reader etc. Bo
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
On 4/24/06, Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can find the windows installer for LyX 1.4.1. This comes a week later after all my troubles with the official installer (see my another email), still this installer should be celebrated! Uwe, I have asked before what has prevented us to make your installer the official one. If the inclusion of programs have been a problem, now, you can at least ignore ghostview, acrobat reader etc, since the viewer logic will be (I hope so) different in 1.4.2: a user will be prompted by windows to install gs/pdf/whatever viewer. There will be no longer troubles in setting up $path to ghostview/acrobat reader etc. I would suggest another enhancement: the ability to remove the older LyX, in case one is previously installed. Paul
Re: version control under Windows
Peter Bowyer wrote: At 12:25 21/04/2006, David Legland wrote: Does version control works with Windows ? If yes, what did I miss ? I don't think it does (that was my experience). So I installed TortoiseSVN (http://tortoisesvn.org), set up a local repository and then managed my file versions from Windows explorer by right-clicking on my LyX document. It works a treat. Similarly, I use CVSNT to manage my LyX documents, though with a Windows server. It would work just as well with a local repository; I use a separate server mostly because it gives me a free backup, in effect. I prefer CUI clients, and I don't care to have applications (LyX or otherwise) mucking about with my version control. But there's a Tortoise for CVSNT, too, for people who prefer GUI integration. -- Michael Wojcik
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
Bo Peng wrote: you can find the windows installer for LyX 1.4.1. This comes a week later after all my troubles with the official installer (see my another email), still this installer should be celebrated! Uwe, I have asked before what has prevented us to make your installer the official one. Bo Uwe's installer doesn't permit non-administrative installations, nor support windows 98, according to its documentation. The official installer does, but appears to lack a dedicated maintainer. A local non-admin install of LyX permits using network resources for Miktex and Python with the official version if they are available; LyXWinInstaller has a network version to access non-admin resources but aborts when installing LyX when I tested it awhile ago. The user base for Win98 which is deprecated, is still larger than Mac and Linux combined for client desktops (not servers). So your criteria for official appears to be ease of use for incompetent new users rather than supporting a wider scope of installation scenarios and/or competent users who already have the helper apps installed. Some users just use LyX without Latex so requiring admin rights to install LyX because one needs to have admin rights for required helper apps is a faulty argument. At the end of the 1.3.7 cycle both installers worked very well, but targeted different user bases. Both the 1.4.x installer versions have flaws and it is to be expected that the newer release (Uwe) would incorporate more fixes. The Angus installer is not going to reflect bug improvements without an active maintainer and Uwe has stated he doesn't have time to maintain both versions. So there may be only one official 1.4.x version to choose from in the future. Angus/LyX 1.3.7 will still be useful. It is a registry reading issue, Stephen
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
Paul Smith wrote: I would suggest another enhancement: the ability to remove the older LyX, in case one is previously installed. Why that? You can remove the old installed LyX version easily by its uninstaller. regards Uwe
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
Hi, all, Both the 1.4.x installer versions have flaws and it is to be expected that the newer release (Uwe) would incorporate more fixes. The Angus installer is not going to reflect bug improvements without an active maintainer and Uwe has stated he doesn't have time to maintain both versions. My exact point is that since two maintainers are both busy, they should try to work together, and maintain a single official version. This will be better for them, and for the users. As of the differences between the two versions, Uwe's installer doesn't permit non-administrative installations, Frankly, windows XP users have got used to install whatever application with administrate privilege. My friends complain a lot that they can not do anything with their IT-maintained PCs, and in the mean time, enjoyed sending emails to the IT guys: hi, please install lyx for me. nor support windows 98, according to its documentation. The official installer does, but appears to lack a dedicated maintainer. The user base for Win98 which is deprecated, is still larger than Mac and Linux combined for client desktops (not servers). What is making this difference? Uwe seems to be using Angus' lyx.exe. A local non-admin install of LyX permits using network resources for Miktex and Python with the official version if they are available; LyXWinInstaller has a network version to access non-admin resources but aborts when installing LyX when I tested it awhile ago. So, merge the two versions so you only need to test one. So your criteria for official appears to be ease of use for incompetent new users Please be careful about using incompetent, since your are saying that I was incompetent to handle the official installer last week. rather than supporting a wider scope of installation scenarios and/or competent users who already have the helper apps installed. I am not against the idea of supporting a wider scope of installation scenarios, Uwe obviously would welcome that as well. He would be happy if Angus can help him, and let his installer work on win98. Some users just use LyX without Latex so requiring admin rights to install LyX because one needs to have admin rights for required helper apps is a faulty argument. I do not see a problem here. Try to install SWP as a viewer? Administrative privilege please. Try acrobat reader, the same thing. At the end of the 1.3.7 cycle both installers worked very well, but targeted different user bases. I agree that claim on Uwe's installer. So there may be only one official 1.4.x version to choose from in the future. Angus/LyX 1.3.7 will still be useful. Then, make Uwe's the default/official one. Bo
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
On 4/24/06, Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest another enhancement: the ability to remove the older LyX, in case one is previously installed. Why that? You can remove the old installed LyX version easily by its uninstaller. There is no uninstaller for the LyX 1.3.7 official installer. Paul
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
Bo Peng wrote:
Hi, all,
Both the 1.4.x installer versions have flaws and it is to be expected
that the newer release (Uwe) would incorporate more fixes.
The Angus installer
is not going to reflect bug improvements without an active
maintainer and Uwe has stated he doesn't have time to maintain
both versions.
My exact point is that since two maintainers are both busy, they
should try to work together, and maintain a single official version.
This will be better for them, and for the users.
Angus is retired and has stated more than once that he does
not want to make a commitment to further develop WinLyx. He
prefers to occasionally offer help when and where he pleases.
Besides there is a basic clash between Angus and Uwe over
requiring admin installs for *lyx* itself while not meaning
a *lyx* installation includes all of the helper apps, which
may or may not require admin rights.
As of the differences between the two versions,
Uwe's installer doesn't permit non-administrative installations,
Frankly, windows XP users have got used to install whatever
application with administrate privilege. My friends complain a lot
that they can not do anything with their IT-maintained PCs, and in the
mean time, enjoyed sending emails to the IT guys: hi, please install
lyx for me.
There is no problem with either installer for LyX 1.3.7 on
machines where the user has admin rights. Home users or
professors but usually not students or lower level corporate
employees. The latter category will need help to install LyX
with the helper apps. But LyX can be used without Latex. If
LyX can be installed with non-admin rights _and_ the rest of
helper apps exist already on the network usually LyX can use
them without having admin rights.
mean time, enjoyed sending emails to the IT guys: hi, please install
lyx for me.
If you have your own dedicated machine, then non-admin LyX can
be installed without IT guys involved. It seems to me that you
might mean {lyx plus helper apps} which probably would require
IT guys help. There are two different situations, one requiring
IT guys with admin-rights and the other a non-admin install
performed by users with expertise which points to Angus' installer.
nor support windows 98, according to its documentation. The official
installer does, but appears to lack a dedicated maintainer.
The user base for Win98 which is deprecated, is still larger than Mac
and Linux combined for client desktops (not servers).
What is making this difference? Uwe seems to be using Angus' lyx.exe.
Uwe's installer requires searching the Windows registry in
a way that is avoided by the Angus installer. Uwe likes this.
So, merge the two versions so you only need to test one.
Angus and Uwe both seem disinclined to do this.
So your criteria for official appears to be ease of use for
incompetent new users
Please be careful about using incompetent, since your are saying that
I was incompetent to handle the official installer last week.
I think that competence comes from experience, many installations
under varied circumstances, which would include non-admin installs.
Also education, such as reading the supporting documentation, will
contribute to competence and avoid wasting time.
So a typical Windows LyX new user has neither experience and can't
be bothered to peruse Readmes and install guides.
Before Uwe created the LyXWinInstaller, one needed to download
and install the separate helper programs for LyX. I have already
quoted warnings from both Miktex and Python docs which stressed
that the user doing the install needed admin rights for Miktex
or that Python would have limitations in a non-admin install.
All the readmes for Uwe's installers (1.3.7 and 1.4.x) contain
a warning that one can't install LyX without admin-rights.
Bo wrote: Just helped another guy to install lyx/win on his
windows machine, again frustrated. Briefly,
1. download everything, install, until we are told that
miktex can not be installed without adminstrative priveledge.
SH: Why did you choose to install as non-admin? The most
likely answer to me seems that your experience didn't indicate
that there would be a problem. Nor does it appear that reading
the docs provided you with the other element of competence,
education from reading the manual.
Bo: 2. log out/in as administrator, install, lyx/configure
fails to start.
SH: So if the option as logging in as administrator was
available to you, why do you consider it competent to bypass
this step by starting off with a non-admin install? IMO, it
is just the type of mistake a new user to LyX would have made.
That refers to *installation* of LyX, not to using Lyx itself.
Depending on the order of installing the programs, it is
possible to install Python before Miktex. The non-admin install
of Python has limitations. When any program is aborted during
the installation it may well not uninstall itself properly.
Did you make sure to see that Python was uninstalled
Re: Enumeration/conversion issues of 1.4.1 - 1.3.x files (important exams)
Charles de Miramon wrote: Users have a lot of problems with enumerations in LyX. I think there is a need to a more powerful interface (maybe with all the features of mdwlist) with a finer control of setting and resetting enumeration numbers. I think paralist is even a bit more powerful than mdwlist. Anyway, either would be great :) Yours, Karsten -- | ~ Karsten Heymann ~ | Christian-Albrecht-Universität zu Kiel | | Fon: +49 431 880-1186 |Netzwerkteam des Ökologiezentrum| | Fax: +49 431 880-4083 | http://www.ecology.uni-kiel.de | | - Selbständiger EDV-Dienstleister im Auftrag des ÖZK - | signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
wish for item under insert special formatting
i am tweaking layout for a double-sided document. i am fitting in blank pages in order to get certain sections on even pages - and i use crufty page breaks and protected blanks for this. i wish for some items under special formatting: 1) insert blank page 2) insert blank pages until even 3) insert blank pages until odd. there should also be an argument to control page style. would this be a good idea? martin
[announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
Hello LyXers, under https://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5117release_id=9869 you can find the windows installer for LyX 1.4.1. To learn more about the LyX installer for Windows, have a look at http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyXWinInstaller You can install LyX 1.4.1 aditionally to LyX 1.3.7, that means you can use LyX 1.4 with having a stable working LyX 1.3 release on your system. These problems are known: - LyX's menus are not localized (english is used) - all toolbar buttons are disabled after you opened a dialog, they are deactivated when you click in the text (see LyX's bug 2423) - LyX couldn't be started when there is a drive letter J on your system Some users reported some problems about tex2lyx (LyX's Menu File - Import) in this Windows installer (Angus' version): http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyX14x They are not in LyXWinInstaller. Due to lack of time I can only give support for LyXWinInstaller, not for Angus' installer version. Here's the changelog: - the first version of the installer that comes with LyX 1.4 - LyX 1.4.1svn can be installed additionally to LyX 1.3.x - pdf images are now displayed with their bounding box (for more details see LyX's bug #2418: http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2418 ) - LaTeX packages needed by beamer and powerdot will now automatically be installed when LyX is first configured - fix bug that MiKTeX is not recognized when it is installed only for the current user - updated to GSview 4.8 - updated to Imagemagick 6.2.7 - updated to aspell 0.60-4 -- LyX 1.4 needs aspell 0.60.4 for spellchecking, that means you have to install new dictionaries after you installed LyX 1.4. You can download them from http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/Aspell6 LyXWinInstaller comes with these additional features in comparison to the official release: - layout files for beamer and powerdot - slightly different toolbar, see http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/UserInterface best regards Uwe
Re: poor resolution for svg
Russell Davie schrieb: When Lyx (1.4.1) makes ps or pdf, the svg graphic is really scratchy. Could you please send an example svg file. I've looked for the converter and can't find it in the ToolsPreferencesConverter Then the default converter Imagemagick is used. regards Uwe
Re: LyX 1.4.x user interface : problem with accented characters. (fr_FR)
Georg Baum wrote: Nicolas Dubuit wrote: I'm afraid I didn't explain clearly the solution. I think you did, but others mixed it up with other related problems. Actually this was not a language problem (the interface was in french already!) but a charset problem (special characters were not rendered correctly). Only fr_FR.utf8 was available on my system, so I just had to add fr_FR.iso88591 to have lyx working properly. This is the important point, it should probably go somewhere to the wiki. Note however that this didn't screw anything else, as my default locale is still fr-FR.utf8 - even starting LyX with LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 lyx-qt works, as lyx is now able to find iso-8859-1 . Yes, that is how it should work. Well - lyx itself will work as lyx knows how to set a useful locale for itself. My experience (from 1.4-cvs) was that this is _not_ enough to make the spellchecker work. The spellchecker will then complain about every non-ascii because it interprets the iso8859 encoded word as invalid utf-8. But if you use export LANG=fr_FR.iso8859-1 ; lyx then you ensure that not only lyx, but also the spellchecker lyx starts, runs with the 8859 encoding. And then you can spellcheck too. :-) Helge Hafting
Re: poor resolution for svg
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:00:43 +0200 Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russell Davie schrieb: When Lyx (1.4.1) makes ps or pdf, the svg graphic is really scratchy. Could you please send an example svg file. Ok, its attached its a graph generated from gnumeric, then edited in sodipodi. Eventually I saved the graph as a 300dpi png which worked. I've looked for the converter and can't find it in the ToolsPreferencesConverter Then the default converter Imagemagick is used. Ahhh So how can the default Imagemagick be changed? regards Russell regards Uwe measles-vaccinations-qalys1.svg Description: image/svg
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
you can find the windows installer for LyX 1.4.1. This comes a week later after all my troubles with the official installer (see my another email), still this installer should be celebrated! Uwe, I have asked before what has prevented us to make your installer the official one. If the inclusion of programs have been a problem, now, you can at least ignore ghostview, acrobat reader etc, since the viewer logic will be (I hope so) different in 1.4.2: a user will be prompted by windows to install gs/pdf/whatever viewer. There will be no longer troubles in setting up $path to ghostview/acrobat reader etc. Bo
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
On 4/24/06, Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can find the windows installer for LyX 1.4.1. This comes a week later after all my troubles with the official installer (see my another email), still this installer should be celebrated! Uwe, I have asked before what has prevented us to make your installer the official one. If the inclusion of programs have been a problem, now, you can at least ignore ghostview, acrobat reader etc, since the viewer logic will be (I hope so) different in 1.4.2: a user will be prompted by windows to install gs/pdf/whatever viewer. There will be no longer troubles in setting up $path to ghostview/acrobat reader etc. I would suggest another enhancement: the ability to remove the older LyX, in case one is previously installed. Paul
Re: version control under Windows
Peter Bowyer wrote: At 12:25 21/04/2006, David Legland wrote: Does version control works with Windows ? If yes, what did I miss ? I don't think it does (that was my experience). So I installed TortoiseSVN (http://tortoisesvn.org), set up a local repository and then managed my file versions from Windows explorer by right-clicking on my LyX document. It works a treat. Similarly, I use CVSNT to manage my LyX documents, though with a Windows server. It would work just as well with a local repository; I use a separate server mostly because it gives me a free backup, in effect. I prefer CUI clients, and I don't care to have applications (LyX or otherwise) mucking about with my version control. But there's a Tortoise for CVSNT, too, for people who prefer GUI integration. -- Michael Wojcik
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
Bo Peng wrote: you can find the windows installer for LyX 1.4.1. This comes a week later after all my troubles with the official installer (see my another email), still this installer should be celebrated! Uwe, I have asked before what has prevented us to make your installer the official one. Bo Uwe's installer doesn't permit non-administrative installations, nor support windows 98, according to its documentation. The official installer does, but appears to lack a dedicated maintainer. A local non-admin install of LyX permits using network resources for Miktex and Python with the official version if they are available; LyXWinInstaller has a network version to access non-admin resources but aborts when installing LyX when I tested it awhile ago. The user base for Win98 which is deprecated, is still larger than Mac and Linux combined for client desktops (not servers). So your criteria for official appears to be ease of use for incompetent new users rather than supporting a wider scope of installation scenarios and/or competent users who already have the helper apps installed. Some users just use LyX without Latex so requiring admin rights to install LyX because one needs to have admin rights for required helper apps is a faulty argument. At the end of the 1.3.7 cycle both installers worked very well, but targeted different user bases. Both the 1.4.x installer versions have flaws and it is to be expected that the newer release (Uwe) would incorporate more fixes. The Angus installer is not going to reflect bug improvements without an active maintainer and Uwe has stated he doesn't have time to maintain both versions. So there may be only one official 1.4.x version to choose from in the future. Angus/LyX 1.3.7 will still be useful. It is a registry reading issue, Stephen
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
Paul Smith wrote: I would suggest another enhancement: the ability to remove the older LyX, in case one is previously installed. Why that? You can remove the old installed LyX version easily by its uninstaller. regards Uwe
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
Hi, all, Both the 1.4.x installer versions have flaws and it is to be expected that the newer release (Uwe) would incorporate more fixes. The Angus installer is not going to reflect bug improvements without an active maintainer and Uwe has stated he doesn't have time to maintain both versions. My exact point is that since two maintainers are both busy, they should try to work together, and maintain a single official version. This will be better for them, and for the users. As of the differences between the two versions, Uwe's installer doesn't permit non-administrative installations, Frankly, windows XP users have got used to install whatever application with administrate privilege. My friends complain a lot that they can not do anything with their IT-maintained PCs, and in the mean time, enjoyed sending emails to the IT guys: hi, please install lyx for me. nor support windows 98, according to its documentation. The official installer does, but appears to lack a dedicated maintainer. The user base for Win98 which is deprecated, is still larger than Mac and Linux combined for client desktops (not servers). What is making this difference? Uwe seems to be using Angus' lyx.exe. A local non-admin install of LyX permits using network resources for Miktex and Python with the official version if they are available; LyXWinInstaller has a network version to access non-admin resources but aborts when installing LyX when I tested it awhile ago. So, merge the two versions so you only need to test one. So your criteria for official appears to be ease of use for incompetent new users Please be careful about using incompetent, since your are saying that I was incompetent to handle the official installer last week. rather than supporting a wider scope of installation scenarios and/or competent users who already have the helper apps installed. I am not against the idea of supporting a wider scope of installation scenarios, Uwe obviously would welcome that as well. He would be happy if Angus can help him, and let his installer work on win98. Some users just use LyX without Latex so requiring admin rights to install LyX because one needs to have admin rights for required helper apps is a faulty argument. I do not see a problem here. Try to install SWP as a viewer? Administrative privilege please. Try acrobat reader, the same thing. At the end of the 1.3.7 cycle both installers worked very well, but targeted different user bases. I agree that claim on Uwe's installer. So there may be only one official 1.4.x version to choose from in the future. Angus/LyX 1.3.7 will still be useful. Then, make Uwe's the default/official one. Bo
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
On 4/24/06, Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest another enhancement: the ability to remove the older LyX, in case one is previously installed. Why that? You can remove the old installed LyX version easily by its uninstaller. There is no uninstaller for the LyX 1.3.7 official installer. Paul
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
Bo Peng wrote:
Hi, all,
Both the 1.4.x installer versions have flaws and it is to be expected
that the newer release (Uwe) would incorporate more fixes.
The Angus installer
is not going to reflect bug improvements without an active
maintainer and Uwe has stated he doesn't have time to maintain
both versions.
My exact point is that since two maintainers are both busy, they
should try to work together, and maintain a single official version.
This will be better for them, and for the users.
Angus is retired and has stated more than once that he does
not want to make a commitment to further develop WinLyx. He
prefers to occasionally offer help when and where he pleases.
Besides there is a basic clash between Angus and Uwe over
requiring admin installs for *lyx* itself while not meaning
a *lyx* installation includes all of the helper apps, which
may or may not require admin rights.
As of the differences between the two versions,
Uwe's installer doesn't permit non-administrative installations,
Frankly, windows XP users have got used to install whatever
application with administrate privilege. My friends complain a lot
that they can not do anything with their IT-maintained PCs, and in the
mean time, enjoyed sending emails to the IT guys: hi, please install
lyx for me.
There is no problem with either installer for LyX 1.3.7 on
machines where the user has admin rights. Home users or
professors but usually not students or lower level corporate
employees. The latter category will need help to install LyX
with the helper apps. But LyX can be used without Latex. If
LyX can be installed with non-admin rights _and_ the rest of
helper apps exist already on the network usually LyX can use
them without having admin rights.
mean time, enjoyed sending emails to the IT guys: hi, please install
lyx for me.
If you have your own dedicated machine, then non-admin LyX can
be installed without IT guys involved. It seems to me that you
might mean {lyx plus helper apps} which probably would require
IT guys help. There are two different situations, one requiring
IT guys with admin-rights and the other a non-admin install
performed by users with expertise which points to Angus' installer.
nor support windows 98, according to its documentation. The official
installer does, but appears to lack a dedicated maintainer.
The user base for Win98 which is deprecated, is still larger than Mac
and Linux combined for client desktops (not servers).
What is making this difference? Uwe seems to be using Angus' lyx.exe.
Uwe's installer requires searching the Windows registry in
a way that is avoided by the Angus installer. Uwe likes this.
So, merge the two versions so you only need to test one.
Angus and Uwe both seem disinclined to do this.
So your criteria for official appears to be ease of use for
incompetent new users
Please be careful about using incompetent, since your are saying that
I was incompetent to handle the official installer last week.
I think that competence comes from experience, many installations
under varied circumstances, which would include non-admin installs.
Also education, such as reading the supporting documentation, will
contribute to competence and avoid wasting time.
So a typical Windows LyX new user has neither experience and can't
be bothered to peruse Readmes and install guides.
Before Uwe created the LyXWinInstaller, one needed to download
and install the separate helper programs for LyX. I have already
quoted warnings from both Miktex and Python docs which stressed
that the user doing the install needed admin rights for Miktex
or that Python would have limitations in a non-admin install.
All the readmes for Uwe's installers (1.3.7 and 1.4.x) contain
a warning that one can't install LyX without admin-rights.
Bo wrote: Just helped another guy to install lyx/win on his
windows machine, again frustrated. Briefly,
1. download everything, install, until we are told that
miktex can not be installed without adminstrative priveledge.
SH: Why did you choose to install as non-admin? The most
likely answer to me seems that your experience didn't indicate
that there would be a problem. Nor does it appear that reading
the docs provided you with the other element of competence,
education from reading the manual.
Bo: 2. log out/in as administrator, install, lyx/configure
fails to start.
SH: So if the option as logging in as administrator was
available to you, why do you consider it competent to bypass
this step by starting off with a non-admin install? IMO, it
is just the type of mistake a new user to LyX would have made.
That refers to *installation* of LyX, not to using Lyx itself.
Depending on the order of installing the programs, it is
possible to install Python before Miktex. The non-admin install
of Python has limitations. When any program is aborted during
the installation it may well not uninstall itself properly.
Did you make sure to see that Python was uninstalled
Re: Enumeration/conversion issues of 1.4.1 - 1.3.x files (important exams)
Charles de Miramon wrote: > Users have a lot of problems with enumerations in LyX. I think there > is a need to a more powerful interface (maybe with all the features > of mdwlist) with a finer control of setting and resetting enumeration > numbers. I think paralist is even a bit more powerful than mdwlist. Anyway, either would be great :) Yours, Karsten -- | ~ Karsten Heymann ~ | Christian-Albrecht-Universität zu Kiel | | Fon: +49 431 880-1186 |Netzwerkteam des Ökologiezentrum| | Fax: +49 431 880-4083 | http://www.ecology.uni-kiel.de | | - Selbständiger EDV-Dienstleister im Auftrag des ÖZK - | signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
wish for item under "insert special formatting"
i am tweaking layout for a double-sided document. i am fitting in blank pages in order to get certain sections on even pages - and i use crufty "page breaks" and "protected blanks" for this. i wish for some items under special formatting: 1) insert blank page 2) insert blank pages until even 3) insert blank pages until odd. there should also be an argument to control page style. would this be a good idea? martin
[announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
Hello LyXers, under https://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5117_id=9869 you can find the windows installer for LyX 1.4.1. To learn more about the LyX installer for Windows, have a look at http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyXWinInstaller You can install LyX 1.4.1 aditionally to LyX 1.3.7, that means you can use LyX 1.4 with having a stable working LyX 1.3 release on your system. These problems are known: - LyX's menus are not localized (english is used) - all toolbar buttons are disabled after you opened a dialog, they are deactivated when you click in the text (see LyX's bug 2423) - LyX couldn't be started when there is a drive letter "J" on your system Some users reported some problems about tex2lyx (LyX's Menu File -> Import) in this Windows installer (Angus' version): http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyX14x They are not in LyXWinInstaller. Due to lack of time I can only give support for LyXWinInstaller, not for Angus' installer version. Here's the changelog: - the first version of the installer that comes with LyX 1.4 - LyX 1.4.1svn can be installed additionally to LyX 1.3.x - pdf images are now displayed with their bounding box (for more details see LyX's bug #2418: http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2418 ) - LaTeX packages needed by beamer and powerdot will now automatically be installed when LyX is first configured - fix bug that MiKTeX is not recognized when it is installed only for the current user - updated to GSview 4.8 - updated to Imagemagick 6.2.7 - updated to aspell 0.60-4 -- LyX 1.4 needs aspell 0.60.4 for spellchecking, that means you have to install new dictionaries after you installed LyX 1.4. You can download them from http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/Aspell6 LyXWinInstaller comes with these additional features in comparison to the official release: - layout files for beamer and powerdot - slightly different toolbar, see http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/UserInterface best regards Uwe
Re: poor resolution for svg
Russell Davie schrieb: When Lyx (1.4.1) makes ps or pdf, the svg graphic is really scratchy. Could you please send an example svg file. > I've looked for the converter and can't find it in the Tools>Preferences>Converter Then the default converter "Imagemagick is used. regards Uwe
Re: LyX 1.4.x user interface : problem with accented characters. (fr_FR)
Georg Baum wrote: Nicolas Dubuit wrote: I'm afraid I didn't explain clearly the solution. I think you did, but others mixed it up with other related problems. Actually this was not a language problem (the interface was in french already!) but a charset problem (special characters were not rendered correctly). Only "fr_FR.utf8" was available on my system, so I just had to add "fr_FR.iso88591" to have lyx working properly. This is the important point, it should probably go somewhere to the wiki. Note however that this didn't screw anything else, as my default locale is still fr-FR.utf8 - even starting LyX with "LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 lyx-qt" works, as lyx is now able to find iso-8859-1 . Yes, that is how it should work. Well - lyx itself will work as lyx knows how to set a useful locale for itself. My experience (from 1.4-cvs) was that this is _not_ enough to make the spellchecker work. The spellchecker will then complain about every non-ascii because it interprets the iso8859 encoded word as invalid utf-8. But if you use "export LANG=fr_FR.iso8859-1 ; lyx" then you ensure that not only lyx, but also the spellchecker lyx starts, runs with the 8859 encoding. And then you can spellcheck too. :-) Helge Hafting
Re: poor resolution for svg
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:00:43 +0200 Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Russell Davie schrieb: > > > When Lyx (1.4.1) makes ps or pdf, the svg graphic is really scratchy. > > Could you please send an example svg file. Ok, its attached its a graph generated from gnumeric, then edited in sodipodi. Eventually I saved the graph as a 300dpi png which worked. > > > I've looked for the converter and can't find it in the > Tools>Preferences>Converter > > Then the default converter "Imagemagick is used. Ahhh So how can the default Imagemagick be changed? regards Russell > > regards Uwe measles-vaccinations-qalys1.svg Description: image/svg
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
> you can find the windows installer for LyX 1.4.1. This comes a week later after all my troubles with the official installer (see my another email), still this installer should be celebrated! Uwe, I have asked before what has prevented us to make your installer the official one. If the inclusion of programs have been a problem, now, you can at least ignore ghostview, acrobat reader etc, since the viewer logic will be (I hope so) different in 1.4.2: a user will be prompted by windows to install gs/pdf/whatever viewer. There will be no longer troubles in setting up $path to ghostview/acrobat reader etc. Bo
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
On 4/24/06, Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > you can find the windows installer for LyX 1.4.1. > > This comes a week later after all my troubles with the official > installer (see my another email), still this installer should be > celebrated! > > Uwe, I have asked before what has prevented us to make your installer > the official one. If the inclusion of programs have been a problem, > now, you can at least ignore ghostview, acrobat reader etc, since the > viewer logic will be (I hope so) different in 1.4.2: a user will be > prompted by windows to install gs/pdf/whatever viewer. There will be > no longer troubles in setting up $path to ghostview/acrobat reader > etc. I would suggest another enhancement: the ability to remove the older LyX, in case one is previously installed. Paul
Re: version control under Windows
Peter Bowyer wrote: At 12:25 21/04/2006, David Legland wrote: Does version control works with Windows ? If yes, what did I miss ? I don't think it does (that was my experience). So I installed TortoiseSVN (http://tortoisesvn.org), set up a local repository and then managed my file versions from Windows explorer by right-clicking on my LyX document. It works a treat. Similarly, I use CVSNT to manage my LyX documents, though with a Windows server. It would work just as well with a local repository; I use a separate server mostly because it gives me a free backup, in effect. I prefer CUI clients, and I don't care to have applications (LyX or otherwise) mucking about with my version control. But there's a Tortoise for CVSNT, too, for people who prefer GUI integration. -- Michael Wojcik
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
Bo Peng wrote: you can find the windows installer for LyX 1.4.1. This comes a week later after all my troubles with the official installer (see my another email), still this installer should be celebrated! Uwe, I have asked before what has prevented us to make your installer the official one. Bo Uwe's installer doesn't permit non-administrative installations, nor support windows 98, according to its documentation. The official installer does, but appears to lack a dedicated maintainer. A local non-admin install of LyX permits using network resources for Miktex and Python with the official version if they are available; LyXWinInstaller has a network version to access non-admin resources but aborts when installing LyX when I tested it awhile ago. The user base for Win98 which is deprecated, is still larger than Mac and Linux combined for client desktops (not servers). So your criteria for "official" appears to be ease of use for incompetent new users rather than supporting a wider scope of installation scenarios and/or competent users who already have the helper apps installed. Some users just use LyX without Latex so requiring admin rights to install LyX because one needs to have admin rights for required helper apps is a faulty argument. At the end of the 1.3.7 cycle both installers worked very well, but targeted different user bases. Both the 1.4.x installer versions have flaws and it is to be expected that the newer release (Uwe) would incorporate more fixes. The Angus installer is not going to reflect bug improvements without an active maintainer and Uwe has stated he doesn't have time to maintain both versions. So there may be only one official 1.4.x version to choose from in the future. Angus/LyX 1.3.7 will still be useful. It is a registry reading issue, Stephen
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
Paul Smith wrote: I would suggest another enhancement: the ability to remove the older LyX, in case one is previously installed. Why that? You can remove the old installed LyX version easily by its uninstaller. regards Uwe
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
Hi, all, > Both the 1.4.x installer versions have flaws and it is to be expected > that the newer release (Uwe) would incorporate more fixes. > The Angus installer > is not going to reflect bug improvements without an active > maintainer and Uwe has stated he doesn't have time to maintain > both versions. My exact point is that since two maintainers are both busy, they should try to work together, and maintain a single official version. This will be better for them, and for the users. As of the differences between the two versions, > Uwe's installer doesn't permit non-administrative installations, Frankly, windows XP users have got used to install whatever application with administrate privilege. My friends complain a lot that they can not do anything with their IT-maintained PCs, and in the mean time, enjoyed sending emails to the IT guys: hi, please install lyx for me. > nor support windows 98, according to its documentation. The official > installer does, but appears to lack a dedicated maintainer. > The user base for Win98 which is deprecated, is still larger than Mac > and Linux combined for client desktops (not servers). What is making this difference? Uwe seems to be using Angus' lyx.exe. > A local non-admin install of LyX permits using network resources for > Miktex and Python with the official version if they are available; > LyXWinInstaller has a network version to access non-admin resources > but aborts when installing LyX when I tested it awhile ago. So, merge the two versions so you only need to test one. > So your criteria for "official" appears to be ease of use for > incompetent new users Please be careful about using incompetent, since your are saying that I was incompetent to handle the official installer last week. > rather than supporting a wider scope of > installation scenarios and/or competent users who already have > the helper apps installed. I am not against the idea of "supporting a wider scope of installation scenarios", Uwe obviously would welcome that as well. He would be happy if Angus can help him, and let his installer work on win98. > Some users just use LyX without Latex > so requiring admin rights to install LyX because one needs to > have admin rights for required helper apps is a faulty argument. I do not see a problem here. Try to install SWP as a viewer? Administrative privilege please. Try acrobat reader, the same thing. > At the end of the 1.3.7 cycle both installers worked very well, > but targeted different user bases. I agree that claim on Uwe's installer. > So there may be only one official 1.4.x version to > choose from in the future. Angus/LyX 1.3.7 will still be useful. Then, make Uwe's the default/official one. Bo
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
On 4/24/06, Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would suggest another enhancement: the ability to remove the older > > LyX, in case one is previously installed. > > Why that? You can remove the old installed LyX version easily by its > uninstaller. There is no uninstaller for the LyX 1.3.7 official installer. Paul
Re: [announce] LyXWinInstaller with LyX 1.4.1
Bo Peng wrote:
Hi, all,
Both the 1.4.x installer versions have flaws and it is to be expected
that the newer release (Uwe) would incorporate more fixes.
The Angus installer
is not going to reflect bug improvements without an active
maintainer and Uwe has stated he doesn't have time to maintain
both versions.
My exact point is that since two maintainers are both busy, they
should try to work together, and maintain a single official version.
This will be better for them, and for the users.
Angus is retired and has stated more than once that he does
not want to make a commitment to further develop WinLyx. He
prefers to occasionally offer help when and where he pleases.
Besides there is a basic clash between Angus and Uwe over
requiring admin installs for *lyx* itself while not meaning
a *lyx* installation includes all of the helper apps, which
may or may not require admin rights.
As of the differences between the two versions,
Uwe's installer doesn't permit non-administrative installations,
Frankly, windows XP users have got used to install whatever
application with administrate privilege. My friends complain a lot
that they can not do anything with their IT-maintained PCs, and in the
mean time, enjoyed sending emails to the IT guys: hi, please install
lyx for me.
There is no problem with either installer for LyX 1.3.7 on
machines where the user has admin rights. Home users or
professors but usually not students or lower level corporate
employees. The latter category will need help to install LyX
with the helper apps. But LyX can be used without Latex. If
LyX can be installed with non-admin rights _and_ the rest of
helper apps exist already on the network usually LyX can use
them without having admin rights.
> mean time, enjoyed sending emails to the IT guys: hi, please install
> lyx for me.
If you have your own dedicated machine, then non-admin LyX can
be installed without IT guys involved. It seems to me that you
might mean {lyx plus helper apps} which probably would require
IT guys help. There are two different situations, one requiring
IT guys with admin-rights and the other a non-admin install
performed by users with expertise which points to Angus' installer.
nor support windows 98, according to its documentation. The official
installer does, but appears to lack a dedicated maintainer.
The user base for Win98 which is deprecated, is still larger than Mac
and Linux combined for client desktops (not servers).
What is making this difference? Uwe seems to be using Angus' lyx.exe.
Uwe's installer requires searching the Windows registry in
a way that is avoided by the Angus installer. Uwe likes this.
So, merge the two versions so you only need to test one.
Angus and Uwe both seem disinclined to do this.
So your criteria for "official" appears to be ease of use for
incompetent new users
Please be careful about using incompetent, since your are saying that
I was incompetent to handle the official installer last week.
I think that competence comes from experience, many installations
under varied circumstances, which would include non-admin installs.
Also education, such as reading the supporting documentation, will
contribute to competence and avoid wasting time.
So a typical Windows LyX new user has neither experience and can't
be bothered to peruse Readmes and install guides.
Before Uwe created the LyXWinInstaller, one needed to download
and install the separate helper programs for LyX. I have already
quoted warnings from both Miktex and Python docs which stressed
that the user doing the install needed admin rights for Miktex
or that Python would have limitations in a non-admin install.
All the readmes for Uwe's installers (1.3.7 and 1.4.x) contain
a warning that one can't install LyX without admin-rights.
Bo wrote: "Just helped another guy to install lyx/win on his
windows machine, again frustrated. Briefly,
1. download everything, install, until we are told that
miktex can not be installed without adminstrative priveledge."
SH: Why did you choose to install as non-admin? The most
likely answer to me seems that your experience didn't indicate
that there would be a problem. Nor does it appear that reading
the docs provided you with the other element of competence,
education from reading the manual.
Bo: 2. "log out/in as administrator, install, lyx/configure
fails to start."
SH: So if the option as logging in as administrator was
available to you, why do you consider it competent to bypass
this step by starting off with a non-admin install? IMO, it
is just the type of mistake a new user to LyX would have made.
That refers to *installation* of LyX, not to using Lyx itself.
Depending on the order of installing the programs, it is
possible to install Python before Miktex. The non-admin install
of Python has limitations. When any program is aborted during
the installation it may well not uninstall itself properly.
Did you make sure to see that Python was
