Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Anders Ekberg]

Richard Heck skrev 2014-03-30 00:07:

On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net 
wrote:

Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents
people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is
compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these
adjectives to bullshittish.


Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for
you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no
warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. And
please don't insult the developers.


Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such episode 
we've had this week.
Hmm, my kindergarden-aged daughter behaves like that when she hasn't 
slept or eaten properly. Maybe an advice on the wiki to check nutrition 
and sleep status before posting to the list would help ;-)


/Anders

Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Steve Litt]

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 19:07:35 -0400
Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

 On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
  On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net
  wrote:
  Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents
  people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is
  compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these
  adjectives to bullshittish.
 
  Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for
  you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no
  warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it.
  And please don't insult the developers.
 
 Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such
 episode we've had this week.
 
 Richard

LOL, must be a full moon.

SteveT

Re: Table width

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 30.03.2014 07:57, schrieb Carsten Jahn:


Hey. Sorry for late answer and thanks for the input.
I didnt mean long tables but wide ones, and word, as much as I hate to
admit, is better in that one IMHO, as you could just drag your table till
it fits,


That is just the opposite of the WYSIWYM concept of LyX and LaTeX. The concept is to let the 
software decide after professional rules what means it fits.



while you have to manually input the parameters in LyX and compile
it for every trial and error.


Note that this is not the way you should go. If you try to fit everything as you like it all the 
time you look a lot of time and when you modify your document you will have to do this again and 
again. So better concentrate on writing and do the fine-tuning when the document is really ready.


This way of writing is very different from all other word processors but once you have done this you 
will see the benefits. In contrary in Word you will have no other chance than to fit objects all the 
time when changing the document.


regards Uwe

Re: Table width

[Carsten Jahn]

Well, as i said i am very satisfied with lyx and the wygiwym-concept -
exept for the table management :-) as you dont get what you (or at least,
what i ) mean in that case i would prefer to get what i See, but i will get
around. I aint as displeased with lyx as you guys seem to think... I was
just frustrated :-)
Thanks for your time!

Re: Table width

[Neal Becker]

What I did is enclose my table in:

\resizebox{\columnwidth}{!}{}

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

 Am 27.03.2014 14:09, schrieb Cee Van Houten:
 
 Yet i was trying to create a table
 today which was a little bit to wide.
 Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor
 did it make any corrections itself.
 
 This is because the table width cannot be calculated by LyX. This can only be
 done by LaTeX itself. For example the font size, the font itself, the
 thickness of table lines the space between table lines and the text can change
 the width in the output.
 
 However LyX's EmbeddedObjects manual explains how the exact table width can be
 calculated, see its Appendix D.
 As the exact calculation is much too complicated for daily usage, simply set
 the table colums to percentages of the column width. For example if you have a
 table with 3 columns and each column should have the same width, set each
 column to a width of 30 col%. I attached an example. So the rule of thumb is
 to set each column to a slightly lesser width than geometrically calculated
 (30% for 3 cols, 22% for 4 cols, 47% for 2 cols etc).
 
 and after searching the manual all i
 could come up with was this:

 \backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
 =3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
 W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox
 {arrayrulewidth}
 \phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
 {tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right)
 =4,5\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt}
 W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}
 =\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
 -62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}
 
  From where do you have this code? (What section of the EmbeddedObjects manual
  and what is your LyX
 version?)
 
   because MS word is much easier on that one
 
 Really? Show me how to create a table that has automatically a page break when
 there iot enough space on the page, where you can define a different table
 header/footer line for each page te table is printed etc. LyX's longtable
 feature is unique I would say. Show me how to let tables automatically float
 to a good-looking position in the document. This floating concept is one of
 the major advantages compared to Word, LibreOffice etc. LyX is not perfect but
 you will notice that the working speed you can get with LyX will be greater
 than with Word. Also check out the new LyX 2.1 that comes out around April, 5:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21
 we have improved the table handling a bit.
 
 regards Uwe

Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[John Coppens]

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 20:22:41 +0100
Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:

 Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents
 people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is
 compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these
 adjectives to bullshittish.

Wow... Almost looks as if you paid for LyX.

John

What an opportunity: was ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Steve Litt]

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 18:08:24 -0300
John Coppens j...@jcoppens.com wrote:

 On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 20:22:41 +0100
 Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:
 
  Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents
  people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is
  compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these
  adjectives to bullshittish.
 
 Wow... Almost looks as if you paid for LyX.

Didn't it?

Sounds like he considers LyX a product. Perhaps he should make a
competing product. All he'd have to do is:

* Make a good HTML5/xhtml editor with zen-coding and the like, or a
  semi-wysiwyg HTML5/xhtml editor. It must encourage styles-based
  authoring and in fact make fingerpainting difficult.

* Make an HTML5/xhtml to LaTeX converter, for PDF and print export.

* Make an HTML5/xhtml to ePub converter, for eBooks. By the way, LyX
  still has to do that too :-)

* Make it include features like math, footnotes, endnotes,
  bibliographies, and other outrageously difficult stuff.

* Provide 2 way MSOffice import/export to satisfy those working with
  people stuck in the 20th century.

* Provide tech support for people who call his product
  bullshitish, when they're using versions not created or supported
  by himself.

LyX's bullshitish problems leave a wide open gap in the marketplace
into which he could place his product. What an opportunity!

By the way, I once contemplated making a simplified competing product.
It's not easy.

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Table width

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 30.03.2014 19:39, schrieb Neal Becker:

What I did is enclose my table in:

\resizebox{\columnwidth}{!}{}


This a solution but no clean one because this resizes all characters in the table so you get instead 
of e.g. fontsize 10 pt, size 9.8 pt or so.


regards Uwe

Proofreading for LyX document

[Rahayu Prihatin]

Hello,

Anybody knows affordable proofreading services who accept Lyx documents? I
haveasked some proofreading services but unfortunately most of them only
accept doc, pdf, and Latex.

Converting document is the last option for me because it will introduce
some mess.

Thank you in advance


Greeting,

Hayu

Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Anders Ekberg]

Richard Heck skrev 2014-03-30 00:07:

On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net 
wrote:

Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents
people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is
compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these
adjectives to bullshittish.


Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for
you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no
warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. And
please don't insult the developers.


Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such episode 
we've had this week.
Hmm, my kindergarden-aged daughter behaves like that when she hasn't 
slept or eaten properly. Maybe an advice on the wiki to check nutrition 
and sleep status before posting to the list would help ;-)


/Anders

Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Steve Litt]

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 19:07:35 -0400
Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

 On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
  On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net
  wrote:
  Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents
  people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is
  compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these
  adjectives to bullshittish.
 
  Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for
  you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no
  warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it.
  And please don't insult the developers.
 
 Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such
 episode we've had this week.
 
 Richard

LOL, must be a full moon.

SteveT

Re: Table width

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 30.03.2014 07:57, schrieb Carsten Jahn:


Hey. Sorry for late answer and thanks for the input.
I didnt mean long tables but wide ones, and word, as much as I hate to
admit, is better in that one IMHO, as you could just drag your table till
it fits,


That is just the opposite of the WYSIWYM concept of LyX and LaTeX. The concept is to let the 
software decide after professional rules what means it fits.



while you have to manually input the parameters in LyX and compile
it for every trial and error.


Note that this is not the way you should go. If you try to fit everything as you like it all the 
time you look a lot of time and when you modify your document you will have to do this again and 
again. So better concentrate on writing and do the fine-tuning when the document is really ready.


This way of writing is very different from all other word processors but once you have done this you 
will see the benefits. In contrary in Word you will have no other chance than to fit objects all the 
time when changing the document.


regards Uwe

Re: Table width

[Carsten Jahn]

Well, as i said i am very satisfied with lyx and the wygiwym-concept -
exept for the table management :-) as you dont get what you (or at least,
what i ) mean in that case i would prefer to get what i See, but i will get
around. I aint as displeased with lyx as you guys seem to think... I was
just frustrated :-)
Thanks for your time!

Re: Table width

[Neal Becker]

What I did is enclose my table in:

\resizebox{\columnwidth}{!}{}

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

 Am 27.03.2014 14:09, schrieb Cee Van Houten:
 
 Yet i was trying to create a table
 today which was a little bit to wide.
 Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor
 did it make any corrections itself.
 
 This is because the table width cannot be calculated by LyX. This can only be
 done by LaTeX itself. For example the font size, the font itself, the
 thickness of table lines the space between table lines and the text can change
 the width in the output.
 
 However LyX's EmbeddedObjects manual explains how the exact table width can be
 calculated, see its Appendix D.
 As the exact calculation is much too complicated for daily usage, simply set
 the table colums to percentages of the column width. For example if you have a
 table with 3 columns and each column should have the same width, set each
 column to a width of 30 col%. I attached an example. So the rule of thumb is
 to set each column to a slightly lesser width than geometrically calculated
 (30% for 3 cols, 22% for 4 cols, 47% for 2 cols etc).
 
 and after searching the manual all i
 could come up with was this:

 \backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
 =3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
 W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox
 {arrayrulewidth}
 \phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
 {tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right)
 =4,5\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt}
 W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}
 =\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
 -62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}
 
  From where do you have this code? (What section of the EmbeddedObjects manual
  and what is your LyX
 version?)
 
   because MS word is much easier on that one
 
 Really? Show me how to create a table that has automatically a page break when
 there iot enough space on the page, where you can define a different table
 header/footer line for each page te table is printed etc. LyX's longtable
 feature is unique I would say. Show me how to let tables automatically float
 to a good-looking position in the document. This floating concept is one of
 the major advantages compared to Word, LibreOffice etc. LyX is not perfect but
 you will notice that the working speed you can get with LyX will be greater
 than with Word. Also check out the new LyX 2.1 that comes out around April, 5:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21
 we have improved the table handling a bit.
 
 regards Uwe

Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[John Coppens]

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 20:22:41 +0100
Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:

 Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents
 people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is
 compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these
 adjectives to bullshittish.

Wow... Almost looks as if you paid for LyX.

John

What an opportunity: was ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Steve Litt]

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 18:08:24 -0300
John Coppens j...@jcoppens.com wrote:

 On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 20:22:41 +0100
 Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote:
 
  Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents
  people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is
  compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these
  adjectives to bullshittish.
 
 Wow... Almost looks as if you paid for LyX.

Didn't it?

Sounds like he considers LyX a product. Perhaps he should make a
competing product. All he'd have to do is:

* Make a good HTML5/xhtml editor with zen-coding and the like, or a
  semi-wysiwyg HTML5/xhtml editor. It must encourage styles-based
  authoring and in fact make fingerpainting difficult.

* Make an HTML5/xhtml to LaTeX converter, for PDF and print export.

* Make an HTML5/xhtml to ePub converter, for eBooks. By the way, LyX
  still has to do that too :-)

* Make it include features like math, footnotes, endnotes,
  bibliographies, and other outrageously difficult stuff.

* Provide 2 way MSOffice import/export to satisfy those working with
  people stuck in the 20th century.

* Provide tech support for people who call his product
  bullshitish, when they're using versions not created or supported
  by himself.

LyX's bullshitish problems leave a wide open gap in the marketplace
into which he could place his product. What an opportunity!

By the way, I once contemplated making a simplified competing product.
It's not easy.

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Table width

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 30.03.2014 19:39, schrieb Neal Becker:

What I did is enclose my table in:

\resizebox{\columnwidth}{!}{}


This a solution but no clean one because this resizes all characters in the table so you get instead 
of e.g. fontsize 10 pt, size 9.8 pt or so.


regards Uwe

Proofreading for LyX document

[Rahayu Prihatin]

Hello,

Anybody knows affordable proofreading services who accept Lyx documents? I
haveasked some proofreading services but unfortunately most of them only
accept doc, pdf, and Latex.

Converting document is the last option for me because it will introduce
some mess.

Thank you in advance


Greeting,

Hayu

Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Anders Ekberg]

Richard Heck skrev 2014-03-30 00:07:

On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller  
wrote:

Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents
people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is
compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these
adjectives to "bullshittish".


Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for
you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no
warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. And
please don't insult the developers.


Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such episode 
we've had this week.
Hmm, my kindergarden-aged daughter behaves like that when she hasn't 
slept or eaten properly. Maybe an advice on the wiki to check nutrition 
and sleep status before posting to the list would help ;-)


/Anders

Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Steve Litt]

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 19:07:35 -0400
Richard Heck  wrote:

> On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller 
> > wrote:
> >> Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents
> >> people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is
> >> compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these
> >> adjectives to "bullshittish".
> >>
> > Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for
> > you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no
> > warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it.
> > And please don't insult the developers.
> 
> Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such
> episode we've had this week.
> 
> Richard

LOL, must be a full moon.

SteveT

Re: Table width

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 30.03.2014 07:57, schrieb Carsten Jahn:


Hey. Sorry for late answer and thanks for the input.
I didnt mean long tables but wide ones, and word, as much as I hate to
admit, is better in that one IMHO, as you could just drag your table till
it fits,


That is just the opposite of the WYSIWYM concept of LyX and LaTeX. The concept is to let the 
software decide after professional rules what means "it fits".



while you have to manually input the parameters in LyX and compile
it for every trial and error.


Note that this is not the way you should go. If you try to fit everything as you like it all the 
time you look a lot of time and when you modify your document you will have to do this again and 
again. So better concentrate on writing and do the fine-tuning when the document is really ready.


This way of writing is very different from all other word processors but once you have done this you 
will see the benefits. In contrary in Word you will have no other chance than to fit objects all the 
time when changing the document.


regards Uwe

Re: Table width

[Carsten Jahn]

Well, as i said i am very satisfied with lyx and the wygiwym-concept -
exept for the table management :-) as you dont get what you (or at least,
what i ) mean in that case i would prefer to get what i See, but i will get
around. I aint as displeased with lyx as you guys seem to think... I was
just frustrated :-)
Thanks for your time!

Re: Table width

[Neal Becker]

What I did is enclose my table in:

\resizebox{\columnwidth}{!}{}

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

> Am 27.03.2014 14:09, schrieb Cee Van Houten:
> 
>> Yet i was trying to create a table
>> today which was a little bit to wide.
>> Lyx didnt warn me it was to wide nor
>> did it make any corrections itself.
> 
> This is because the table width cannot be calculated by LyX. This can only be
> done by LaTeX itself. For example the font size, the font itself, the
> thickness of table lines the space between table lines and the text can change
> the width in the output.
> 
> However LyX's EmbeddedObjects manual explains how the exact table width can be
> calculated, see its Appendix D.
> As the exact calculation is much too complicated for daily usage, simply set
> the table colums to percentages of the column width. For example if you have a
> table with 3 columns and each column should have the same width, set each
> column to a width of 30 col%. I attached an example. So the rule of thumb is
> to set each column to a slightly lesser width than geometrically calculated
> (30% for 3 cols, 22% for 4 cols, 47% for 2 cols etc).
> 
>> and after searching the manual all i
>> could come up with was this:
>>
>> \backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
>> =3\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+2\csot0,75\,
>> W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+\backslash\mbox
>> {arrayrulewidth}
>> \phantom{=\,}+5\left(2\backslash\mbox
>> {tabcolsep}+\backslash\mbox{arrayrulewidth}\right)
>> =4,5\, W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}+62,4\,\mathrm{pt}
>> W_{\mathrm{Spalte}}
>> =\frac{\backslash\mbox{columnwidth}
>> -62,4\,\mathrm{pt}}{4,5}
> 
>  From where do you have this code? (What section of the EmbeddedObjects manual
>  and what is your LyX
> version?)
> 
>  > because MS word is much easier on that one
> 
> Really? Show me how to create a table that has automatically a page break when
> there iot enough space on the page, where you can define a different table
> header/footer line for each page te table is printed etc. LyX's longtable
> feature is unique I would say. Show me how to let tables automatically float
> to a good-looking position in the document. This floating concept is one of
> the major advantages compared to Word, LibreOffice etc. LyX is not perfect but
> you will notice that the working speed you can get with LyX will be greater
> than with Word. Also check out the new LyX 2.1 that comes out around April, 5:
> http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21
> we have improved the table handling a bit.
> 
> regards Uwe

Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[John Coppens]

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 20:22:41 +0100
Wolfgang Keller  wrote:

> Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents
> people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is
> compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these
> adjectives to "bullshittish".

Wow... Almost looks as if you paid for LyX.

John

What an opportunity: was ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)

[Steve Litt]

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 18:08:24 -0300
John Coppens  wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 20:22:41 +0100
> Wolfgang Keller  wrote:
> 
> > Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents
> > people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is
> > compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these
> > adjectives to "bullshittish".
> 
> Wow... Almost looks as if you paid for LyX.

Didn't it?

Sounds like he considers LyX a "product". Perhaps he should make a
competing "product". All he'd have to do is:

* Make a good HTML5/xhtml editor with zen-coding and the like, or a
  semi-wysiwyg HTML5/xhtml editor. It must encourage styles-based
  authoring and in fact make fingerpainting difficult.

* Make an HTML5/xhtml to LaTeX converter, for PDF and print export.

* Make an HTML5/xhtml to ePub converter, for eBooks. By the way, LyX
  still has to do that too :-)

* Make it include features like math, footnotes, endnotes,
  bibliographies, and other outrageously difficult stuff.

* Provide 2 way MSOffice import/export to satisfy those working with
  people stuck in the 20th century.

* Provide tech support for people who call his "product"
  "bullshitish", when they're using versions not created or supported
  by himself.

LyX's "bullshitish" problems leave a wide open gap in the "marketplace"
into which he could place his "product". What an opportunity!

By the way, I once contemplated making a simplified competing product.
It's not easy.

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Table width

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 30.03.2014 19:39, schrieb Neal Becker:

What I did is enclose my table in:

\resizebox{\columnwidth}{!}{}


This a solution but no clean one because this resizes all characters in the table so you get instead 
of e.g. fontsize 10 pt, size 9.8 pt or so.


regards Uwe

Proofreading for LyX document

[Rahayu Prihatin]

Hello,

Anybody knows affordable proofreading services who accept Lyx documents? I
haveasked some proofreading services but unfortunately most of them only
accept doc, pdf, and Latex.

Converting document is the last option for me because it will introduce
some mess.

Thank you in advance


Greeting,

Hayu