Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On 2014-04-01, Wolfgang Keller wrote: Probably the only thing that's still left from the original LyTeX (must have been 1.6.x back then) is the folder structure and the startupt script. Hey, if you have a fairly uncommon setup, dont expect everything to work out of the box! ... So if anything doesn't work, I'll just sent a corresponding rant to the list and roll back. If you would be more polite instead of sending a rant, I would say this is OK. ... This can destroy your LyX settings so that it can become unusable. It won't destroy anything that I can't roll back by simply trashing the LyX subfolder that's kaputt and by replacing it with the last known working version. That is *one* of the *many* advantages of installer-free application distribution. No need for installers, no need for uninstallers, backups are trivial and so are rollbacks. So, why do you use the installer at all? Günter
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On 2014-04-01, Wolfgang Keller wrote: Probably the only thing that's still left from the original LyTeX (must have been 1.6.x back then) is the folder structure and the startupt script. Hey, if you have a fairly uncommon setup, dont expect everything to work out of the box! ... So if anything doesn't work, I'll just sent a corresponding rant to the list and roll back. If you would be more polite instead of sending a rant, I would say this is OK. ... This can destroy your LyX settings so that it can become unusable. It won't destroy anything that I can't roll back by simply trashing the LyX subfolder that's kaputt and by replacing it with the last known working version. That is *one* of the *many* advantages of installer-free application distribution. No need for installers, no need for uninstallers, backups are trivial and so are rollbacks. So, why do you use the installer at all? Günter
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On 2014-04-01, Wolfgang Keller wrote: > Probably the only thing that's still left from the original LyTeX (must > have been 1.6.x back then) is the folder structure and the startupt > script. Hey, if you have a fairly uncommon setup, dont expect everything to work out of the box! ... > So if anything doesn't work, I'll just sent a corresponding rant to the > list and "roll back". If you would be more polite instead of sending a rant, I would say this is OK. ... >> This can destroy your LyX settings so that it can become unusable. > It won't destroy anything that I can't roll back by simply trashing > the LyX subfolder that's "kaputt" and by replacing it with the last > known working version. > That is *one* of the *many* advantages of installer-free application > distribution. > No need for installers, no need for uninstallers, backups are trivial > and so are "rollbacks". So, why do you use the installer at all? Günter
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Thanks, I was not aware of that LyTeX is still alive. Apparently this version writes something to the registry (this can also be done by portable versions). However, I wonder that they provided a beta version as portable LyTeX They don't, at least not for me. I installed the version they had years ago and since then I have always only overwritten the LyX subfolder with the installers that I have downloaded from ftp.lyx.org without using the updater included in LyTeX. And in parallel I have kept the TeXLive subfolder updated with the TexLive package manager as well. Has worked perfectly across releases. Probably the only thing that's still left from the original LyTeX (must have been 1.6.x back then) is the folder structure and the startupt script. This error message should only occur if you try to install LyX 2.1rc1 over LyX 2.1rc1. This is checked by the Windows registry. There can be nothing in the registry, since I don't have authorisation to write to the registry on this computer. You always have the right to write to the registry section HKey_Current_User. On this computer, all transient entries there should get erased upon startup. Yes, they are that sadistic. Which is a restriction that's just as compulsive and imperious as those idiotic installers are. Seems the most important concern of certain people is to prevent others from being able to do their work. I don't understand. The LyX installer allows you to install LyX also if you only have a guest account on a PC. However, if your Admin denies to allow you to install things, he has a reason. So better blame him. He doesn't have a reason. I know - way - more about computer security than him. (Which is not difficult, all Windows administrators I have met so far were hopelessly clueless morons.) It's just a professional sickness. IT administrators compulsively lock down the computers beyond uselessness (to the point that ever more often bring your own is the only way to get anything done any more), software developers/packagers compulsively require running pointless installers, and in between, like punchbags are caught those people who have to get the actual productive work done. Hmm, or did you once installed LyX 2.1beta? If so you must uninstall LyX 2.1beta first (these were testing releases (for LyX-only not the installer nor LyX's dependencies) so that an easy upgrade is not possible). A dumb installer would simply overwrite the previous installation As aid, this is in case of beta releases no feature. We are only a small group of developers. Providing also full support for beta versions would cost us a lot time we don't have. I am not asking for that. I keep a backup of the last known working LyX subfolder I have. So if anything doesn't work, I'll just sent a corresponding rant to the list and roll back. And don't forget we all have a private life and a job - we develop LyX in our spare time! I don't have a private life. Among others, thanks to the obscene absurdities of modern office work environments where all kinds of fat tapeworms wag with us dogs. Could you please be a bit more polite. You apparently found a bug but there is no reason to be abusive! I guess that implementing the check function is an extra effort to make, which is totally pointless imho. I see exactly *zero* added value from this function (actually a refusal to provide a required function). The installer just shouldn't care for whether LyX is already installed or not and overwrite everything, basta. This can destroy your LyX settings so that it can become unusable. It won't destroy anything that I can't roll back by simply trashing the LyX subfolder that's kaputt and by replacing it with the last known working version. That is *one* of the *many* advantages of installer-free application distribution. No need for installers, no need for uninstallers, backups are trivial and so are rollbacks. This principle of application distribution has been known and perfectly working at least since 1984 (Atari TOS, MacOS, a little later of Acorn RiscOS, I don't know about AmigaOS). Unlike installers, which have *never* actually worked reliably. Just like installers (resp. software requiring those) are anyway. User-friendly software has to be packaged as simple zero-install zip archives. And the Windows registry is only good as an open barn door for viruses, trojans and other malware. Oha, I now fully understand your Admin that you are not allowed to install programs. No computer for that I have ever had the personal reponsibility (and over that I had full authority) has ever contracted a single virus or other malware in 25 years. The only occasions when a computer that I had to use got a virus were the usual, well known barn doors, that were wide opened by the choice of OS, applications and by the configuration that was locked down by the administrictator, so that I couldn't even
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Thanks, I was not aware of that LyTeX is still alive. Apparently this version writes something to the registry (this can also be done by portable versions). However, I wonder that they provided a beta version as portable LyTeX They don't, at least not for me. I installed the version they had years ago and since then I have always only overwritten the LyX subfolder with the installers that I have downloaded from ftp.lyx.org without using the updater included in LyTeX. And in parallel I have kept the TeXLive subfolder updated with the TexLive package manager as well. Has worked perfectly across releases. Probably the only thing that's still left from the original LyTeX (must have been 1.6.x back then) is the folder structure and the startupt script. This error message should only occur if you try to install LyX 2.1rc1 over LyX 2.1rc1. This is checked by the Windows registry. There can be nothing in the registry, since I don't have authorisation to write to the registry on this computer. You always have the right to write to the registry section HKey_Current_User. On this computer, all transient entries there should get erased upon startup. Yes, they are that sadistic. Which is a restriction that's just as compulsive and imperious as those idiotic installers are. Seems the most important concern of certain people is to prevent others from being able to do their work. I don't understand. The LyX installer allows you to install LyX also if you only have a guest account on a PC. However, if your Admin denies to allow you to install things, he has a reason. So better blame him. He doesn't have a reason. I know - way - more about computer security than him. (Which is not difficult, all Windows administrators I have met so far were hopelessly clueless morons.) It's just a professional sickness. IT administrators compulsively lock down the computers beyond uselessness (to the point that ever more often bring your own is the only way to get anything done any more), software developers/packagers compulsively require running pointless installers, and in between, like punchbags are caught those people who have to get the actual productive work done. Hmm, or did you once installed LyX 2.1beta? If so you must uninstall LyX 2.1beta first (these were testing releases (for LyX-only not the installer nor LyX's dependencies) so that an easy upgrade is not possible). A dumb installer would simply overwrite the previous installation As aid, this is in case of beta releases no feature. We are only a small group of developers. Providing also full support for beta versions would cost us a lot time we don't have. I am not asking for that. I keep a backup of the last known working LyX subfolder I have. So if anything doesn't work, I'll just sent a corresponding rant to the list and roll back. And don't forget we all have a private life and a job - we develop LyX in our spare time! I don't have a private life. Among others, thanks to the obscene absurdities of modern office work environments where all kinds of fat tapeworms wag with us dogs. Could you please be a bit more polite. You apparently found a bug but there is no reason to be abusive! I guess that implementing the check function is an extra effort to make, which is totally pointless imho. I see exactly *zero* added value from this function (actually a refusal to provide a required function). The installer just shouldn't care for whether LyX is already installed or not and overwrite everything, basta. This can destroy your LyX settings so that it can become unusable. It won't destroy anything that I can't roll back by simply trashing the LyX subfolder that's kaputt and by replacing it with the last known working version. That is *one* of the *many* advantages of installer-free application distribution. No need for installers, no need for uninstallers, backups are trivial and so are rollbacks. This principle of application distribution has been known and perfectly working at least since 1984 (Atari TOS, MacOS, a little later of Acorn RiscOS, I don't know about AmigaOS). Unlike installers, which have *never* actually worked reliably. Just like installers (resp. software requiring those) are anyway. User-friendly software has to be packaged as simple zero-install zip archives. And the Windows registry is only good as an open barn door for viruses, trojans and other malware. Oha, I now fully understand your Admin that you are not allowed to install programs. No computer for that I have ever had the personal reponsibility (and over that I had full authority) has ever contracted a single virus or other malware in 25 years. The only occasions when a computer that I had to use got a virus were the usual, well known barn doors, that were wide opened by the choice of OS, applications and by the configuration that was locked down by the administrictator, so that I couldn't even
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
> Thanks, I was not aware of that LyTeX is still alive. > Apparently this version writes something to the registry (this can > also be done by portable versions). However, I wonder that they > provided a beta version as portable LyTeX They don't, at least not for me. I installed the version they had years ago and since then I have always only overwritten the LyX subfolder with the installers that I have downloaded from ftp.lyx.org without using the "updater" included in LyTeX. And in parallel I have kept the TeXLive subfolder updated with the TexLive package manager as well. Has worked perfectly across releases. Probably the only thing that's still left from the original LyTeX (must have been 1.6.x back then) is the folder structure and the startupt script. > >> This error message should only occur if you try to install LyX > >> 2.1rc1 over LyX 2.1rc1. This is checked by the Windows registry. > > > > There can be nothing in the registry, since I don't have > > authorisation to write to the registry on this computer. > > You always have the right to write to the registry section > "HKey_Current_User". On this computer, all "transient" entries there should get erased upon startup. Yes, they are that sadistic. > > Which is a restriction that's just as compulsive and imperious as > > those idiotic installers are. Seems the most important concern of > > certain people is to prevent others from being able to do their > > work. > > I don't understand. The LyX installer allows you to install LyX also > if you only have a guest account on a PC. > However, if your Admin denies to allow you to install things, he has > a reason. So better blame him. He doesn't have a reason. I know - way - more about computer security than him. (Which is not difficult, all Windows "administrators" I have met so far were hopelessly clueless morons.) It's just a professional sickness. IT "administrators" compulsively lock down the computers beyond uselessness (to the point that ever more often "bring your own" is the only way to get anything done any more), software developers/packagers compulsively require running pointless "installers", and in between, like punchbags are caught those people who have to get the actual productive work done. > >> Hmm, or did you once installed LyX 2.1beta? If so you must > >> uninstall LyX 2.1beta first (these were testing releases (for > >> LyX-only not the installer nor LyX's dependencies) so that an easy > >> upgrade is not possible). > > > > A "dumb" installer would simply overwrite the previous installation > > As aid, this is in case of beta releases no feature. We are only a > small group of developers. Providing also full support for beta > versions would cost us a lot time we don't have. I am not asking for that. I keep a backup of the last known working LyX subfolder I have. So if anything doesn't work, I'll just sent a corresponding rant to the list and "roll back". > And don't forget we all have a private life and a job - we develop > LyX in our spare time! I don't have a private life. Among others, thanks to the obscene absurdities of modern office "work" environments where all kinds of fat tapeworms wag with us dogs. > >> Could you please be a bit more polite. You apparently found a bug > >> but there is no reason to be abusive! > > > > I guess that implementing the "check" function is an extra effort to > > make, which is totally pointless imho. I see exactly *zero* "added > > value" from this "function" (actually a refusal to provide a > > required function). The installer just shouldn't care for whether > > LyX is already installed or not and overwrite everything, basta. > > This can destroy your LyX settings so that it can become unusable. It won't destroy anything that I can't roll back by simply trashing the LyX subfolder that's "kaputt" and by replacing it with the last known working version. That is *one* of the *many* advantages of installer-free application distribution. No need for installers, no need for uninstallers, backups are trivial and so are "rollbacks". This principle of application distribution has been known and perfectly working at least since 1984 (Atari TOS, MacOS, a little later of Acorn RiscOS, I don't know about AmigaOS). Unlike "installers", which have *never* actually worked reliably. > > Just like "installers" (resp. software requiring those) are anyway. > > User-friendly software has to be packaged as simple zero-install zip > > archives. And the Windows "registry" is only good as an open barn > > door for viruses, trojans and other malware. > > Oha, I now fully understand your Admin that you are not allowed to > install programs. No computer for that I have ever had the personal reponsibility (and over that I had full authority) has ever contracted a single virus or other "malware" in 25 years. The only occasions when a computer that I had to use got a virus were the usual, well known barn doors, that were wide opened by the
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Am 30.03.2014 16:54, schrieb Steve Litt: On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 19:07:35 -0400 Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote: On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. And please don't insult the developers. Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such episode we've had this week. Richard LOL, must be a full moon. SteveT Or the unpleasant change to summer time in Europe? Wolfgang
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Am 30.03.2014 16:54, schrieb Steve Litt: On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 19:07:35 -0400 Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote: On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. And please don't insult the developers. Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such episode we've had this week. Richard LOL, must be a full moon. SteveT Or the unpleasant change to summer time in Europe? Wolfgang
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Am 30.03.2014 16:54, schrieb Steve Litt: On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 19:07:35 -0400 Richard Heckwrote: On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller wrote: Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to "bullshittish". Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. And please don't insult the developers. Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such episode we've had this week. Richard LOL, must be a full moon. SteveT Or the unpleasant change to summer time in Europe? Wolfgang
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Richard Heck skrev 2014-03-30 00:07: On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. And please don't insult the developers. Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such episode we've had this week. Hmm, my kindergarden-aged daughter behaves like that when she hasn't slept or eaten properly. Maybe an advice on the wiki to check nutrition and sleep status before posting to the list would help ;-) /Anders
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 19:07:35 -0400 Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote: On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. And please don't insult the developers. Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such episode we've had this week. Richard LOL, must be a full moon. SteveT
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 20:22:41 +0100 Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Wow... Almost looks as if you paid for LyX. John
What an opportunity: was ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 18:08:24 -0300 John Coppens j...@jcoppens.com wrote: On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 20:22:41 +0100 Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Wow... Almost looks as if you paid for LyX. Didn't it? Sounds like he considers LyX a product. Perhaps he should make a competing product. All he'd have to do is: * Make a good HTML5/xhtml editor with zen-coding and the like, or a semi-wysiwyg HTML5/xhtml editor. It must encourage styles-based authoring and in fact make fingerpainting difficult. * Make an HTML5/xhtml to LaTeX converter, for PDF and print export. * Make an HTML5/xhtml to ePub converter, for eBooks. By the way, LyX still has to do that too :-) * Make it include features like math, footnotes, endnotes, bibliographies, and other outrageously difficult stuff. * Provide 2 way MSOffice import/export to satisfy those working with people stuck in the 20th century. * Provide tech support for people who call his product bullshitish, when they're using versions not created or supported by himself. LyX's bullshitish problems leave a wide open gap in the marketplace into which he could place his product. What an opportunity! By the way, I once contemplated making a simplified competing product. It's not easy. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Richard Heck skrev 2014-03-30 00:07: On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. And please don't insult the developers. Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such episode we've had this week. Hmm, my kindergarden-aged daughter behaves like that when she hasn't slept or eaten properly. Maybe an advice on the wiki to check nutrition and sleep status before posting to the list would help ;-) /Anders
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 19:07:35 -0400 Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote: On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. And please don't insult the developers. Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such episode we've had this week. Richard LOL, must be a full moon. SteveT
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 20:22:41 +0100 Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Wow... Almost looks as if you paid for LyX. John
What an opportunity: was ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 18:08:24 -0300 John Coppens j...@jcoppens.com wrote: On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 20:22:41 +0100 Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Wow... Almost looks as if you paid for LyX. Didn't it? Sounds like he considers LyX a product. Perhaps he should make a competing product. All he'd have to do is: * Make a good HTML5/xhtml editor with zen-coding and the like, or a semi-wysiwyg HTML5/xhtml editor. It must encourage styles-based authoring and in fact make fingerpainting difficult. * Make an HTML5/xhtml to LaTeX converter, for PDF and print export. * Make an HTML5/xhtml to ePub converter, for eBooks. By the way, LyX still has to do that too :-) * Make it include features like math, footnotes, endnotes, bibliographies, and other outrageously difficult stuff. * Provide 2 way MSOffice import/export to satisfy those working with people stuck in the 20th century. * Provide tech support for people who call his product bullshitish, when they're using versions not created or supported by himself. LyX's bullshitish problems leave a wide open gap in the marketplace into which he could place his product. What an opportunity! By the way, I once contemplated making a simplified competing product. It's not easy. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Richard Heck skrev 2014-03-30 00:07: On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Kellerwrote: Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to "bullshittish". Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. And please don't insult the developers. Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such episode we've had this week. Hmm, my kindergarden-aged daughter behaves like that when she hasn't slept or eaten properly. Maybe an advice on the wiki to check nutrition and sleep status before posting to the list would help ;-) /Anders
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 19:07:35 -0400 Richard Heckwrote: > On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller > > wrote: > >> Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents > >> people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is > >> compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these > >> adjectives to "bullshittish". > >> > > Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for > > you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no > > warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. > > And please don't insult the developers. > > Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such > episode we've had this week. > > Richard LOL, must be a full moon. SteveT
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 20:22:41 +0100 Wolfgang Kellerwrote: > Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents > people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is > compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these > adjectives to "bullshittish". Wow... Almost looks as if you paid for LyX. John
What an opportunity: was ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 18:08:24 -0300 John Coppenswrote: > On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 20:22:41 +0100 > Wolfgang Keller wrote: > > > Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents > > people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is > > compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these > > adjectives to "bullshittish". > > Wow... Almost looks as if you paid for LyX. Didn't it? Sounds like he considers LyX a "product". Perhaps he should make a competing "product". All he'd have to do is: * Make a good HTML5/xhtml editor with zen-coding and the like, or a semi-wysiwyg HTML5/xhtml editor. It must encourage styles-based authoring and in fact make fingerpainting difficult. * Make an HTML5/xhtml to LaTeX converter, for PDF and print export. * Make an HTML5/xhtml to ePub converter, for eBooks. By the way, LyX still has to do that too :-) * Make it include features like math, footnotes, endnotes, bibliographies, and other outrageously difficult stuff. * Provide 2 way MSOffice import/export to satisfy those working with people stuck in the 20th century. * Provide tech support for people who call his "product" "bullshitish", when they're using versions not created or supported by himself. LyX's "bullshitish" problems leave a wide open gap in the "marketplace" into which he could place his "product". What an opportunity! By the way, I once contemplated making a simplified competing product. It's not easy. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
LyX is already installed. Please uninstall LyX first. WTF?! First, this error message is *wrong*, since I don't have LyX installed. I use it in portable mode. Can you give me more information please. What LyX version are you using? LyX Version 2.1.0beta2 (Sonntag, 10. November 2013) From where did you get the portable LyX? It was called LyTeX, and I have been using it since well before 2.0, the download location has moved since and the software has been updated. And I'm using it with TeXLive of course, not with MikTeX like the version that is now available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/lytex/. This error message should only occur if you try to install LyX 2.1rc1 over LyX 2.1rc1. This is checked by the Windows registry. There can be nothing in the registry, since I don't have authorisation to write to the registry on this computer. Which is a restriction that's just as compulsive and imperious as those idiotic installers are. Seems the most important concern of certain people is to prevent others from being able to do their work. Hmm, or did you once installed LyX 2.1beta? If so you must uninstall LyX 2.1beta first (these were testing releases (for LyX-only not the installer nor LyX's dependencies) so that an easy upgrade is not possible). A dumb installer would simply overwrite the previous installation and that would be the thing to do. Yes, I do make a backup of the working LyX before I overwrite it. Second, what's that bullshittish idea Could you please be a bit more polite. You apparently found a bug but there is no reason to be abusive! I guess that implementing the check function is an extra effort to make, which is totally pointless imho. I see exactly *zero* added value from this function (actually a refusal to provide a required function). The installer just shouldn't care for whether LyX is already installed or not and overwrite everything, basta. Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Just like installers (resp. software requiring those) are anyway. User-friendly software has to be packaged as simple zero-install zip archives. And the Windows registry is only good as an open barn door for viruses, trojans and other malware. Sincerely, Wolfgang
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: LyX is already installed. Please uninstall LyX first. WTF?! First, this error message is *wrong*, since I don't have LyX installed. I use it in portable mode. Can you give me more information please. What LyX version are you using? LyX Version 2.1.0beta2 (Sonntag, 10. November 2013) From where did you get the portable LyX? It was called LyTeX, and I have been using it since well before 2.0, the download location has moved since and the software has been updated. And I'm using it with TeXLive of course, not with MikTeX like the version that is now available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/lytex/. This error message should only occur if you try to install LyX 2.1rc1 over LyX 2.1rc1. This is checked by the Windows registry. There can be nothing in the registry, since I don't have authorisation to write to the registry on this computer. Which is a restriction that's just as compulsive and imperious as those idiotic installers are. Seems the most important concern of certain people is to prevent others from being able to do their work. Hmm, or did you once installed LyX 2.1beta? If so you must uninstall LyX 2.1beta first (these were testing releases (for LyX-only not the installer nor LyX's dependencies) so that an easy upgrade is not possible). A dumb installer would simply overwrite the previous installation and that would be the thing to do. Yes, I do make a backup of the working LyX before I overwrite it. Second, what's that bullshittish idea Could you please be a bit more polite. You apparently found a bug but there is no reason to be abusive! I guess that implementing the check function is an extra effort to make, which is totally pointless imho. I see exactly *zero* added value from this function (actually a refusal to provide a required function). The installer just shouldn't care for whether LyX is already installed or not and overwrite everything, basta. Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. And please don't insult the developers. Liviu Just like installers (resp. software requiring those) are anyway. User-friendly software has to be packaged as simple zero-install zip archives. And the Windows registry is only good as an open barn door for viruses, trojans and other malware. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- Do you know how to read? http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-dict#speed-reader Do you know how to write? http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. And please don't insult the developers. Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such episode we've had this week. Richard
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Am 29.03.2014 20:22, schrieb Wolfgang Keller: Can you give me more information please. What LyX version are you using? LyX Version 2.1.0beta2 (Sonntag, 10. November 2013) Ah, then it is clear. The beta releases were test builds to test LyX's new features. Its installer was not updated for a stable release, third party components like were not installed etc. Therefore beta released cannot just be updated by installing a new LyX version over it. We should have point this out in the announcement. From where did you get the portable LyX? It was called LyTeX, and I have been using it since well before 2.0, the download location has moved since and the software has been updated. And I'm using it with TeXLive of course, not with MikTeX like the version that is now available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/lytex/. Thanks, I was not aware of that LyTeX is still alive. Apparently this version writes something to the registry (this can also be done by portable versions). However, I wonder that they provided a beta version as portable LyTeX - as said the beta version are for LyX-only and not for real-life documents, just for testing. This error message should only occur if you try to install LyX 2.1rc1 over LyX 2.1rc1. This is checked by the Windows registry. There can be nothing in the registry, since I don't have authorisation to write to the registry on this computer. You always have the right to write to the registry section HKey_Current_User. Which is a restriction that's just as compulsive and imperious as those idiotic installers are. Seems the most important concern of certain people is to prevent others from being able to do their work. I don't understand. The LyX installer allows you to install LyX also if you only have a guest account on a PC. However, if your Admin denies to allow you to install things, he has a reason. So better blame him. Hmm, or did you once installed LyX 2.1beta? If so you must uninstall LyX 2.1beta first (these were testing releases (for LyX-only not the installer nor LyX's dependencies) so that an easy upgrade is not possible). A dumb installer would simply overwrite the previous installation As aid, this is in case of beta releases no feature. We are only a small group of developers. Providing also full support for beta versions would cost us a lot time we don't have. And don't forget we all have a private life and a job - we develop LyX in our spare time! Could you please be a bit more polite. You apparently found a bug but there is no reason to be abusive! I guess that implementing the check function is an extra effort to make, which is totally pointless imho. I see exactly *zero* added value from this function (actually a refusal to provide a required function). The installer just shouldn't care for whether LyX is already installed or not and overwrite everything, basta. This can destroy your LyX settings so that it can become unusable. We are not stupid, the installer is the result of years of development and many, many user feedback form almost all Win environments with use-cases you cannot imagine, trust me! Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Thanks for the flowers, I basically wrote the installer and maintain it. To shoot back ;-): Using a beta version for real-life is braindead (what a funny word) too because the beta announcement clearly states that this should only be used to test the new features in LyX and that there is no support for beta version. Therefore I will give you no further support for your problem, sorry. Just like installers (resp. software requiring those) are anyway. User-friendly software has to be packaged as simple zero-install zip archives. And the Windows registry is only good as an open barn door for viruses, trojans and other malware. Oha, I now fully understand your Admin that you are not allowed to install programs. Uwe
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Am 26.03.2014 22:41, schrieb Vincent van Ravesteijn: Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1 LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work. This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1. Dear LyX testers, please note that if you are on Windows _and_ have a beta version of LyX 2.1 installed, it is strongly recommended to first uninstall the beta version before installing LyX 2.1RC1. The reason is that for beta releases we cannot guarantee that they are stable enough. If you would install a never LyX test version over a beta it might be that you will still see bugs that we already fixed in LyX. regards Uwe
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
LyX is already installed. Please uninstall LyX first. WTF?! First, this error message is *wrong*, since I don't have LyX installed. I use it in portable mode. Can you give me more information please. What LyX version are you using? LyX Version 2.1.0beta2 (Sonntag, 10. November 2013) From where did you get the portable LyX? It was called LyTeX, and I have been using it since well before 2.0, the download location has moved since and the software has been updated. And I'm using it with TeXLive of course, not with MikTeX like the version that is now available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/lytex/. This error message should only occur if you try to install LyX 2.1rc1 over LyX 2.1rc1. This is checked by the Windows registry. There can be nothing in the registry, since I don't have authorisation to write to the registry on this computer. Which is a restriction that's just as compulsive and imperious as those idiotic installers are. Seems the most important concern of certain people is to prevent others from being able to do their work. Hmm, or did you once installed LyX 2.1beta? If so you must uninstall LyX 2.1beta first (these were testing releases (for LyX-only not the installer nor LyX's dependencies) so that an easy upgrade is not possible). A dumb installer would simply overwrite the previous installation and that would be the thing to do. Yes, I do make a backup of the working LyX before I overwrite it. Second, what's that bullshittish idea Could you please be a bit more polite. You apparently found a bug but there is no reason to be abusive! I guess that implementing the check function is an extra effort to make, which is totally pointless imho. I see exactly *zero* added value from this function (actually a refusal to provide a required function). The installer just shouldn't care for whether LyX is already installed or not and overwrite everything, basta. Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Just like installers (resp. software requiring those) are anyway. User-friendly software has to be packaged as simple zero-install zip archives. And the Windows registry is only good as an open barn door for viruses, trojans and other malware. Sincerely, Wolfgang
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: LyX is already installed. Please uninstall LyX first. WTF?! First, this error message is *wrong*, since I don't have LyX installed. I use it in portable mode. Can you give me more information please. What LyX version are you using? LyX Version 2.1.0beta2 (Sonntag, 10. November 2013) From where did you get the portable LyX? It was called LyTeX, and I have been using it since well before 2.0, the download location has moved since and the software has been updated. And I'm using it with TeXLive of course, not with MikTeX like the version that is now available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/lytex/. This error message should only occur if you try to install LyX 2.1rc1 over LyX 2.1rc1. This is checked by the Windows registry. There can be nothing in the registry, since I don't have authorisation to write to the registry on this computer. Which is a restriction that's just as compulsive and imperious as those idiotic installers are. Seems the most important concern of certain people is to prevent others from being able to do their work. Hmm, or did you once installed LyX 2.1beta? If so you must uninstall LyX 2.1beta first (these were testing releases (for LyX-only not the installer nor LyX's dependencies) so that an easy upgrade is not possible). A dumb installer would simply overwrite the previous installation and that would be the thing to do. Yes, I do make a backup of the working LyX before I overwrite it. Second, what's that bullshittish idea Could you please be a bit more polite. You apparently found a bug but there is no reason to be abusive! I guess that implementing the check function is an extra effort to make, which is totally pointless imho. I see exactly *zero* added value from this function (actually a refusal to provide a required function). The installer just shouldn't care for whether LyX is already installed or not and overwrite everything, basta. Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. And please don't insult the developers. Liviu Just like installers (resp. software requiring those) are anyway. User-friendly software has to be packaged as simple zero-install zip archives. And the Windows registry is only good as an open barn door for viruses, trojans and other malware. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- Do you know how to read? http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-dict#speed-reader Do you know how to write? http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Keller felip...@gmx.net wrote: Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. And please don't insult the developers. Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such episode we've had this week. Richard
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Am 29.03.2014 20:22, schrieb Wolfgang Keller: Can you give me more information please. What LyX version are you using? LyX Version 2.1.0beta2 (Sonntag, 10. November 2013) Ah, then it is clear. The beta releases were test builds to test LyX's new features. Its installer was not updated for a stable release, third party components like were not installed etc. Therefore beta released cannot just be updated by installing a new LyX version over it. We should have point this out in the announcement. From where did you get the portable LyX? It was called LyTeX, and I have been using it since well before 2.0, the download location has moved since and the software has been updated. And I'm using it with TeXLive of course, not with MikTeX like the version that is now available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/lytex/. Thanks, I was not aware of that LyTeX is still alive. Apparently this version writes something to the registry (this can also be done by portable versions). However, I wonder that they provided a beta version as portable LyTeX - as said the beta version are for LyX-only and not for real-life documents, just for testing. This error message should only occur if you try to install LyX 2.1rc1 over LyX 2.1rc1. This is checked by the Windows registry. There can be nothing in the registry, since I don't have authorisation to write to the registry on this computer. You always have the right to write to the registry section HKey_Current_User. Which is a restriction that's just as compulsive and imperious as those idiotic installers are. Seems the most important concern of certain people is to prevent others from being able to do their work. I don't understand. The LyX installer allows you to install LyX also if you only have a guest account on a PC. However, if your Admin denies to allow you to install things, he has a reason. So better blame him. Hmm, or did you once installed LyX 2.1beta? If so you must uninstall LyX 2.1beta first (these were testing releases (for LyX-only not the installer nor LyX's dependencies) so that an easy upgrade is not possible). A dumb installer would simply overwrite the previous installation As aid, this is in case of beta releases no feature. We are only a small group of developers. Providing also full support for beta versions would cost us a lot time we don't have. And don't forget we all have a private life and a job - we develop LyX in our spare time! Could you please be a bit more polite. You apparently found a bug but there is no reason to be abusive! I guess that implementing the check function is an extra effort to make, which is totally pointless imho. I see exactly *zero* added value from this function (actually a refusal to provide a required function). The installer just shouldn't care for whether LyX is already installed or not and overwrite everything, basta. This can destroy your LyX settings so that it can become unusable. We are not stupid, the installer is the result of years of development and many, many user feedback form almost all Win environments with use-cases you cannot imagine, trust me! Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to bullshittish. Thanks for the flowers, I basically wrote the installer and maintain it. To shoot back ;-): Using a beta version for real-life is braindead (what a funny word) too because the beta announcement clearly states that this should only be used to test the new features in LyX and that there is no support for beta version. Therefore I will give you no further support for your problem, sorry. Just like installers (resp. software requiring those) are anyway. User-friendly software has to be packaged as simple zero-install zip archives. And the Windows registry is only good as an open barn door for viruses, trojans and other malware. Oha, I now fully understand your Admin that you are not allowed to install programs. Uwe
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Am 26.03.2014 22:41, schrieb Vincent van Ravesteijn: Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1 LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work. This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1. Dear LyX testers, please note that if you are on Windows _and_ have a beta version of LyX 2.1 installed, it is strongly recommended to first uninstall the beta version before installing LyX 2.1RC1. The reason is that for beta releases we cannot guarantee that they are stable enough. If you would install a never LyX test version over a beta it might be that you will still see bugs that we already fixed in LyX. regards Uwe
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
> > LyX is already installed. > > Please uninstall LyX first. > > > > WTF?! > > > > First, this error message is *wrong*, since I don't have LyX > > "installed". I use it in portable mode. > > Can you give me more information please. What LyX version are you > using? LyX Version 2.1.0beta2 (Sonntag, 10. November 2013) > From where did you get the portable LyX? It was called LyTeX, and I have been using it since well before 2.0, the download location has moved since and the software has been updated. And I'm using it with TeXLive of course, not with MikTeX like the version that is now available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/lytex/. > This error message should only occur if you try to install LyX 2.1rc1 > over LyX 2.1rc1. This is checked by the Windows registry. There can be nothing in the registry, since I don't have authorisation to write to the registry on this computer. Which is a restriction that's just as compulsive and imperious as those idiotic installers are. Seems the most important concern of certain people is to prevent others from being able to do their work. > Hmm, or did you once installed LyX 2.1beta? If so you must > uninstall LyX 2.1beta first (these were testing releases (for > LyX-only not the installer nor LyX's dependencies) so that an easy > upgrade is not possible). A "dumb" installer would simply overwrite the previous installation and that would be the thing to do. Yes, I do make a backup of the "working" LyX before I overwrite it. > > Second, what's that bullshittish idea > > Could you please be a bit more polite. You apparently found a bug but > there is no reason to be abusive! I guess that implementing the "check" function is an extra effort to make, which is totally pointless imho. I see exactly *zero* "added value" from this "function" (actually a refusal to provide a required function). The installer just shouldn't care for whether LyX is already installed or not and overwrite everything, basta. Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to "bullshittish". Just like "installers" (resp. software requiring those) are anyway. User-friendly software has to be packaged as simple zero-install zip archives. And the Windows "registry" is only good as an open barn door for viruses, trojans and other malware. Sincerely, Wolfgang
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Kellerwrote: >> > LyX is already installed. >> > Please uninstall LyX first. >> > >> > WTF?! >> > >> > First, this error message is *wrong*, since I don't have LyX >> > "installed". I use it in portable mode. >> >> Can you give me more information please. What LyX version are you >> using? > > LyX Version 2.1.0beta2 > (Sonntag, 10. November 2013) > >> From where did you get the portable LyX? > > It was called LyTeX, and I have been using it since well before 2.0, > the download location has moved since and the software has been updated. > And I'm using it with TeXLive of course, not with MikTeX like the > version that is now available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/lytex/. > >> This error message should only occur if you try to install LyX 2.1rc1 >> over LyX 2.1rc1. This is checked by the Windows registry. > > There can be nothing in the registry, since I don't have authorisation > to write to the registry on this computer. Which is a restriction > that's just as compulsive and imperious as those idiotic installers > are. Seems the most important concern of certain people is to prevent > others from being able to do their work. > >> Hmm, or did you once installed LyX 2.1beta? If so you must >> uninstall LyX 2.1beta first (these were testing releases (for >> LyX-only not the installer nor LyX's dependencies) so that an easy >> upgrade is not possible). > > A "dumb" installer would simply overwrite the previous installation and > that would be the thing to do. Yes, I do make a backup of the "working" > LyX before I overwrite it. > >> > Second, what's that bullshittish idea >> >> Could you please be a bit more polite. You apparently found a bug but >> there is no reason to be abusive! > > I guess that implementing the "check" function is an extra effort to > make, which is totally pointless imho. I see exactly *zero* "added > value" from this "function" (actually a refusal to provide a required > function). The installer just shouldn't care for whether LyX is already > installed or not and overwrite everything, basta. > > Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents > people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is > compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these > adjectives to "bullshittish". > Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. And please don't insult the developers. Liviu > Just like "installers" (resp. software requiring those) are anyway. > User-friendly software has to be packaged as simple zero-install zip > archives. And the Windows "registry" is only good as an open barn door > for viruses, trojans and other malware. > > Sincerely, > > Wolfgang -- Do you know how to read? http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-dict#speed-reader Do you know how to write? http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On 03/29/2014 04:58 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Wolfgang Kellerwrote: Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to "bullshittish". Then come up with your own installer, or pay someone to do that for you. LyX is provided by volunteers, and comes with absolutely no warranty. Unhappy with what you get (for free), then don't use it. And please don't insult the developers. Really. What's with people these days? This is the second such episode we've had this week. Richard
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Am 29.03.2014 20:22, schrieb Wolfgang Keller: Can you give me more information please. What LyX version are you using? LyX Version 2.1.0beta2 (Sonntag, 10. November 2013) Ah, then it is clear. The beta releases were test builds to test LyX's new features. Its installer was not updated for a stable release, third party components like were not installed etc. Therefore beta released cannot just be updated by installing a new LyX version over it. We should have point this out in the announcement. From where did you get the portable LyX? It was called LyTeX, and I have been using it since well before 2.0, the download location has moved since and the software has been updated. And I'm using it with TeXLive of course, not with MikTeX like the version that is now available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/lytex/. Thanks, I was not aware of that LyTeX is still alive. Apparently this version writes something to the registry (this can also be done by portable versions). However, I wonder that they provided a beta version as portable LyTeX - as said the beta version are for LyX-only and not for real-life documents, just for testing. This error message should only occur if you try to install LyX 2.1rc1 over LyX 2.1rc1. This is checked by the Windows registry. There can be nothing in the registry, since I don't have authorisation to write to the registry on this computer. You always have the right to write to the registry section "HKey_Current_User". Which is a restriction that's just as compulsive and imperious as those idiotic installers are. Seems the most important concern of certain people is to prevent others from being able to do their work. I don't understand. The LyX installer allows you to install LyX also if you only have a guest account on a PC. However, if your Admin denies to allow you to install things, he has a reason. So better blame him. Hmm, or did you once installed LyX 2.1beta? If so you must uninstall LyX 2.1beta first (these were testing releases (for LyX-only not the installer nor LyX's dependencies) so that an easy upgrade is not possible). A "dumb" installer would simply overwrite the previous installation As aid, this is in case of beta releases no feature. We are only a small group of developers. Providing also full support for beta versions would cost us a lot time we don't have. And don't forget we all have a private life and a job - we develop LyX in our spare time! Could you please be a bit more polite. You apparently found a bug but there is no reason to be abusive! I guess that implementing the "check" function is an extra effort to make, which is totally pointless imho. I see exactly *zero* "added value" from this "function" (actually a refusal to provide a required function). The installer just shouldn't care for whether LyX is already installed or not and overwrite everything, basta. This can destroy your LyX settings so that it can become unusable. We are not stupid, the installer is the result of years of development and many, many user feedback form almost all Win environments with use-cases you cannot imagine, trust me! Looks like someone wanted to be extra-smart, but this only prevents people from being able to do what they need to do. Which, to me, is compulsive, imperious and totally braindead, if you prefer these adjectives to "bullshittish". Thanks for the flowers, I basically wrote the installer and maintain it. To shoot back ;-): Using a beta version for real-life is "braindead" (what a funny word) too because the beta announcement clearly states that this should only be used to test the new features in LyX and that there is no support for beta version. Therefore I will give you no further support for your problem, sorry. Just like "installers" (resp. software requiring those) are anyway. User-friendly software has to be packaged as simple zero-install zip archives. And the Windows "registry" is only good as an open barn door for viruses, trojans and other malware. Oha, I now fully understand your Admin that you are not allowed to install programs. Uwe
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Am 26.03.2014 22:41, schrieb Vincent van Ravesteijn: Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1 LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work. This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1. Dear LyX testers, please note that if you are on Windows _and_ have a beta version of LyX 2.1 installed, it is strongly recommended to first uninstall the beta version before installing LyX 2.1RC1. The reason is that for beta releases we cannot guarantee that they are stable enough. If you would install a never LyX test version over a beta it might be that you will still see bugs that we already fixed in LyX. regards Uwe
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/. We hope you will enjoy the result! LyX is already installed. Please uninstall LyX first. WTF?! First, this error message is *wrong*, since I don't have LyX installed. I use it in portable mode. Second, what's that bullshittish idea that I must not update an existing (working) installation? Sincerely, Wolfgang
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Am 28.03.2014 20:40, schrieb Wolfgang Keller: LyX is already installed. Please uninstall LyX first. WTF?! First, this error message is *wrong*, since I don't have LyX installed. I use it in portable mode. Can you give me more information please. What LyX version are you using? From where did you get the portable LyX? This error message should only occur if you try to install LyX 2.1rc1 over LyX 2.1rc1. This is checked by the Windows registry. But a portable version does not write anything to the registry and LyX 2.1RC1 was never released before so that it can also not be already installed. Hmm, or did you once installed LyX 2.1beta? If so you must uninstall LyX 2.1beta first (these were testing releases (for LyX-only not the installer nor LyX's dependencies) so that an easy upgrade is not possible). Second, what's that bullshittish idea Could you please be a bit more polite. You apparently found a bug but there is no reason to be abusive! regards Uwe
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/. We hope you will enjoy the result! LyX is already installed. Please uninstall LyX first. WTF?! First, this error message is *wrong*, since I don't have LyX installed. I use it in portable mode. Second, what's that bullshittish idea that I must not update an existing (working) installation? Sincerely, Wolfgang
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Am 28.03.2014 20:40, schrieb Wolfgang Keller: LyX is already installed. Please uninstall LyX first. WTF?! First, this error message is *wrong*, since I don't have LyX installed. I use it in portable mode. Can you give me more information please. What LyX version are you using? From where did you get the portable LyX? This error message should only occur if you try to install LyX 2.1rc1 over LyX 2.1rc1. This is checked by the Windows registry. But a portable version does not write anything to the registry and LyX 2.1RC1 was never released before so that it can also not be already installed. Hmm, or did you once installed LyX 2.1beta? If so you must uninstall LyX 2.1beta first (these were testing releases (for LyX-only not the installer nor LyX's dependencies) so that an easy upgrade is not possible). Second, what's that bullshittish idea Could you please be a bit more polite. You apparently found a bug but there is no reason to be abusive! regards Uwe
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
> You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/. > > We hope you will enjoy the result! LyX is already installed. Please uninstall LyX first. WTF?! First, this error message is *wrong*, since I don't have LyX "installed". I use it in portable mode. Second, what's that bullshittish idea that I must not update an existing (working) installation? Sincerely, Wolfgang
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Am 28.03.2014 20:40, schrieb Wolfgang Keller: LyX is already installed. Please uninstall LyX first. WTF?! First, this error message is *wrong*, since I don't have LyX "installed". I use it in portable mode. Can you give me more information please. What LyX version are you using? From where did you get the portable LyX? This error message should only occur if you try to install LyX 2.1rc1 over LyX 2.1rc1. This is checked by the Windows registry. But a portable version does not write anything to the registry and LyX 2.1RC1 was never released before so that it can also not be already installed. Hmm, or did you once installed LyX 2.1beta? If so you must uninstall LyX 2.1beta first (these were testing releases (for LyX-only not the installer nor LyX's dependencies) so that an easy upgrade is not possible). Second, what's that bullshittish idea Could you please be a bit more polite. You apparently found a bug but there is no reason to be abusive! regards Uwe
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Vincent van Ravesteijn v...@lyx.org wrote: Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1 Ubuntu packages are now available from the PPA: https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/daily/+packages Liviu We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new LyX 2.1 series. With this release, LyX celebrates 18 years of existence. The 2.1 series has a rich set of new features compared to the current stable series. LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work. This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1. An overview of the new features can be found here: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21 You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/. We hope you will enjoy the result! The file RELEASE-NOTES lists some known issues and problems compared to the current stable releases (LyX 2.0.x). We strongly recommend that packagers of LyX on various platforms and distributions read this file. As with any major release, this one comes with lot of new features but also some bugs. If you think you have found a bug in LyX 2.1.0rc1, either email the LyX developers' mailing list (lyx-devel at lists.lyx.org), or open a bug report at http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome. If you have trouble using LyX or have a question, consult the documentation that comes with LyX (under Help) and the LyX wiki, which you will find at http://wiki.lyx.org/. You can also send email to the LyX users' list (lyx-users at lists.lyx.org). The LyX team. http://www.lyx.org -- Do you know how to read? http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-dict#speed-reader Do you know how to write? http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Hi guys, first of all thanks for your efforts, it does look great! However I am still frustrated in using it on my device with a high resolution screen (Windows), as the icons are too small (the problem that I highlighted here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general/81497 but was unable to solve on my own): any chance this could be solved in 2.1 final release? I am sure I am not alone with this problem, and from the release notes it seems this issue is still there. Thanks again, Paola On 26/03/2014 21:41, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1 We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new LyX 2.1 series. With this release, LyX celebrates 18 years of existence. The 2.1 series has a rich set of new features compared to the current stable series. LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work. This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1. An overview of the new features can be found here: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21 You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/. We hope you will enjoy the result! The file RELEASE-NOTES lists some known issues and problems compared to the current stable releases (LyX 2.0.x). We strongly recommend that packagers of LyX on various platforms and distributions read this file. As with any major release, this one comes with lot of new features but also some bugs. If you think you have found a bug in LyX 2.1.0rc1, either email the LyX developers' mailing list (lyx-devel at lists.lyx.org), or open a bug report at http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome. If you have trouble using LyX or have a question, consult the documentation that comes with LyX (under Help) and the LyX wiki, which you will find at http://wiki.lyx.org/. You can also send email to the LyX users' list (lyx-users at lists.lyx.org). The LyX team. http://www.lyx.org -- -- Prof. Paola Manzini School of Economics and Finance University of St. Andrews Castlecliffe, The Scores St. Andrews KY16 9AL Scotland, U.K. tel: +44 (0)1334 462436 fax: +44 (0)1334 462444 http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~pm210/ Skype: paolamanzini The University of St Andrews is a charity registered in Scotland : No SC013532
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 22:41:50 Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new LyX 2.1 series. great news - but I've been bitten before by incompatibility of formats between versions. Does 2.1rc1 permit export to old lyx versions? thanks, -- William Seager University of Toronto Scarborough www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager Adam Smith: There is no point more difficult to account for than the right we conceive men to have to dispose of their goods after death.
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 7:34 AM, William Seager sea...@utsc.utoronto.ca wrote: On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 22:41:50 Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new LyX 2.1 series. great news - but I've been bitten before by incompatibility of formats between versions. Does 2.1rc1 permit export to old lyx versions? Yes. You can do File Export LyX 2.0.x. You can even export to LyX 1.y.x if you go to File Export More Formats Options. There are also easy commands on the command line to convert a LyX 2.1 file to a LyX 2.0.x file. Best, Scott
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Vincent van Ravesteijn v...@lyx.org wrote: Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1 Ubuntu packages are now available from the PPA: https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/daily/+packages Liviu We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new LyX 2.1 series. With this release, LyX celebrates 18 years of existence. The 2.1 series has a rich set of new features compared to the current stable series. LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work. This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1. An overview of the new features can be found here: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21 You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/. We hope you will enjoy the result! The file RELEASE-NOTES lists some known issues and problems compared to the current stable releases (LyX 2.0.x). We strongly recommend that packagers of LyX on various platforms and distributions read this file. As with any major release, this one comes with lot of new features but also some bugs. If you think you have found a bug in LyX 2.1.0rc1, either email the LyX developers' mailing list (lyx-devel at lists.lyx.org), or open a bug report at http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome. If you have trouble using LyX or have a question, consult the documentation that comes with LyX (under Help) and the LyX wiki, which you will find at http://wiki.lyx.org/. You can also send email to the LyX users' list (lyx-users at lists.lyx.org). The LyX team. http://www.lyx.org -- Do you know how to read? http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-dict#speed-reader Do you know how to write? http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Hi guys, first of all thanks for your efforts, it does look great! However I am still frustrated in using it on my device with a high resolution screen (Windows), as the icons are too small (the problem that I highlighted here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general/81497 but was unable to solve on my own): any chance this could be solved in 2.1 final release? I am sure I am not alone with this problem, and from the release notes it seems this issue is still there. Thanks again, Paola On 26/03/2014 21:41, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1 We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new LyX 2.1 series. With this release, LyX celebrates 18 years of existence. The 2.1 series has a rich set of new features compared to the current stable series. LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work. This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1. An overview of the new features can be found here: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21 You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/. We hope you will enjoy the result! The file RELEASE-NOTES lists some known issues and problems compared to the current stable releases (LyX 2.0.x). We strongly recommend that packagers of LyX on various platforms and distributions read this file. As with any major release, this one comes with lot of new features but also some bugs. If you think you have found a bug in LyX 2.1.0rc1, either email the LyX developers' mailing list (lyx-devel at lists.lyx.org), or open a bug report at http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome. If you have trouble using LyX or have a question, consult the documentation that comes with LyX (under Help) and the LyX wiki, which you will find at http://wiki.lyx.org/. You can also send email to the LyX users' list (lyx-users at lists.lyx.org). The LyX team. http://www.lyx.org -- -- Prof. Paola Manzini School of Economics and Finance University of St. Andrews Castlecliffe, The Scores St. Andrews KY16 9AL Scotland, U.K. tel: +44 (0)1334 462436 fax: +44 (0)1334 462444 http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~pm210/ Skype: paolamanzini The University of St Andrews is a charity registered in Scotland : No SC013532
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 22:41:50 Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new LyX 2.1 series. great news - but I've been bitten before by incompatibility of formats between versions. Does 2.1rc1 permit export to old lyx versions? thanks, -- William Seager University of Toronto Scarborough www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager Adam Smith: There is no point more difficult to account for than the right we conceive men to have to dispose of their goods after death.
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 7:34 AM, William Seager sea...@utsc.utoronto.ca wrote: On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 22:41:50 Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new LyX 2.1 series. great news - but I've been bitten before by incompatibility of formats between versions. Does 2.1rc1 permit export to old lyx versions? Yes. You can do File Export LyX 2.0.x. You can even export to LyX 1.y.x if you go to File Export More Formats Options. There are also easy commands on the command line to convert a LyX 2.1 file to a LyX 2.0.x file. Best, Scott
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Vincent van Ravesteijnwrote: > Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1 > > Ubuntu packages are now available from the PPA: https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/daily/+packages Liviu > We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new > LyX 2.1 series. > > With this release, LyX celebrates 18 years of existence. The 2.1 series > has a rich set of new features compared to the current stable series. > > LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work. > This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1. > > An overview of the new features can be found here: > http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21 > > You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/. > > We hope you will enjoy the result! > > The file RELEASE-NOTES lists some known issues and problems compared > to the current stable releases (LyX 2.0.x). We strongly recommend that > packagers of LyX on various platforms and distributions read this file. > > As with any major release, this one comes with lot of new features but > also some bugs. If you think you have found a bug in LyX 2.1.0rc1, > either email the LyX developers' mailing list (lyx-devel at lists.lyx.org), > or open a bug report at http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome. > > If you have trouble using LyX or have a question, consult the > documentation that comes with LyX (under Help) and the LyX wiki, which you > will find at http://wiki.lyx.org/. You can also send email to the LyX users' > list (lyx-users at lists.lyx.org). > > The LyX team. > http://www.lyx.org > -- Do you know how to read? http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-dict#speed-reader Do you know how to write? http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Hi guys, first of all thanks for your efforts, it does look great! However I am still frustrated in using it on my device with a high resolution screen (Windows), as the icons are too small (the problem that I highlighted here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general/81497 but was unable to solve on my own): any chance this could be solved in 2.1 final release? I am sure I am not alone with this problem, and from the release notes it seems this issue is still there. Thanks again, Paola On 26/03/2014 21:41, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1 We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new LyX 2.1 series. With this release, LyX celebrates 18 years of existence. The 2.1 series has a rich set of new features compared to the current stable series. LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work. This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1. An overview of the new features can be found here: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21 You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/. We hope you will enjoy the result! The file RELEASE-NOTES lists some known issues and problems compared to the current stable releases (LyX 2.0.x). We strongly recommend that packagers of LyX on various platforms and distributions read this file. As with any major release, this one comes with lot of new features but also some bugs. If you think you have found a bug in LyX 2.1.0rc1, either email the LyX developers' mailing list (lyx-devel at lists.lyx.org), or open a bug report at http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome. If you have trouble using LyX or have a question, consult the documentation that comes with LyX (under Help) and the LyX wiki, which you will find at http://wiki.lyx.org/. You can also send email to the LyX users' list (lyx-users at lists.lyx.org). The LyX team. http://www.lyx.org -- -- Prof. Paola Manzini School of Economics and Finance University of St. Andrews Castlecliffe, The Scores St. Andrews KY16 9AL Scotland, U.K. tel: +44 (0)1334 462436 fax: +44 (0)1334 462444 http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~pm210/ Skype: paolamanzini The University of St Andrews is a charity registered in Scotland : No SC013532
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 22:41:50 Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new > LyX 2.1 series. great news - but I've been bitten before by incompatibility of formats between versions. Does 2.1rc1 permit export to old lyx versions? thanks, -- William Seager University of Toronto Scarborough www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager Adam Smith: "There is no point more difficult to account for than the right we conceive men to have to dispose of their goods after death."
Re: ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 7:34 AM, William Seagerwrote: > On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 22:41:50 Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: >> We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new >> LyX 2.1 series. > > great news - but I've been bitten before by incompatibility > of formats between versions. Does 2.1rc1 permit export > to old lyx versions? Yes. You can do File > Export > LyX 2.0.x. You can even export to LyX 1.y.x if you go to File > Export > More Formats & Options. There are also easy commands on the command line to convert a LyX 2.1 file to a LyX 2.0.x file. Best, Scott
ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1 We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new LyX 2.1 series. With this release, LyX celebrates 18 years of existence. The 2.1 series has a rich set of new features compared to the current stable series. LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work. This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1. An overview of the new features can be found here: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21 You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/. We hope you will enjoy the result! The file RELEASE-NOTES lists some known issues and problems compared to the current stable releases (LyX 2.0.x). We strongly recommend that packagers of LyX on various platforms and distributions read this file. As with any major release, this one comes with lot of new features but also some bugs. If you think you have found a bug in LyX 2.1.0rc1, either email the LyX developers' mailing list (lyx-devel at lists.lyx.org), or open a bug report at http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome. If you have trouble using LyX or have a question, consult the documentation that comes with LyX (under Help) and the LyX wiki, which you will find at http://wiki.lyx.org/. You can also send email to the LyX users' list (lyx-users at lists.lyx.org). The LyX team. http://www.lyx.org
ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1 We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new LyX 2.1 series. With this release, LyX celebrates 18 years of existence. The 2.1 series has a rich set of new features compared to the current stable series. LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work. This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1. An overview of the new features can be found here: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21 You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/. We hope you will enjoy the result! The file RELEASE-NOTES lists some known issues and problems compared to the current stable releases (LyX 2.0.x). We strongly recommend that packagers of LyX on various platforms and distributions read this file. As with any major release, this one comes with lot of new features but also some bugs. If you think you have found a bug in LyX 2.1.0rc1, either email the LyX developers' mailing list (lyx-devel at lists.lyx.org), or open a bug report at http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome. If you have trouble using LyX or have a question, consult the documentation that comes with LyX (under Help) and the LyX wiki, which you will find at http://wiki.lyx.org/. You can also send email to the LyX users' list (lyx-users at lists.lyx.org). The LyX team. http://www.lyx.org
ANNOUNCE: LyX version 2.1.0 (rc1)
Public release of LyX version 2.1.0rc1 We are proud to announce the first release candidate of the new LyX 2.1 series. With this release, LyX celebrates 18 years of existence. The 2.1 series has a rich set of new features compared to the current stable series. LyX 2.1.0rc1 is the culmination of three years of hard work. This release is meant for testing before we actually release LyX 2.1. An overview of the new features can be found here: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21 You can download LyX 2.1.0rc1 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/. We hope you will enjoy the result! The file RELEASE-NOTES lists some known issues and problems compared to the current stable releases (LyX 2.0.x). We strongly recommend that packagers of LyX on various platforms and distributions read this file. As with any major release, this one comes with lot of new features but also some bugs. If you think you have found a bug in LyX 2.1.0rc1, either email the LyX developers' mailing list (lyx-devel at lists.lyx.org), or open a bug report at http://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome. If you have trouble using LyX or have a question, consult the documentation that comes with LyX (under Help) and the LyX wiki, which you will find at http://wiki.lyx.org/. You can also send email to the LyX users' list (lyx-users at lists.lyx.org). The LyX team. http://www.lyx.org