Re: How to paste into LyX-Code ?!!

[Steve Litt]

Daniel said on Thu, 18 Nov 2021 08:48:07 +0100

>On 2021-11-17 23:28, Steve Litt wrote:
>> Daniel said on Wed, 17 Nov 2021 10:44:23 +0100
>>   
>>> On 17/11/2021 10:01, Steve Litt wrote:  
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I have a C program I want to show in a book. So I use the LyX-Code
>>>> environment, but when I copy the C file to the clipboard and paste
>>>> it into the LyX-Code environment, all the newlines are removed.
>>>> What's the right way to show a C program file within LyX?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> SteveT
>>>>
>>>> Steve Litt
>>>> Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the
>>>> Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
>>>>  
>>>
>>> You could try
>>>
>>> "Edit" > "Paste Special" > "Plain Text" or Ctrl+Shift+V.  
>> 
>> The preceding worked. Thank you!  
>>>
>>> I never understood what "Plain Text" does not among other things it
>>> should keep the line breaks. I guess keeping line-breaks should be
>>> the default...  
>> 
>> It's ridiculous that it's not the default, you're right.
>> 
>> Thanks also to Norman Dunbar who suggested the same things.
>> 
>> Thanks also to Hartmut Hasse and Stephan Witt for their suggestions,
>> which I didn't try for lack of time once the Shift+Ctrl+v worked.
>> 
>> I spent 2 hours trying to find a method last night, before figuring
>> I'd be better off asking the list. Thanks for your suggestions!
>> 
>> SteveT  
>
>Sorry to hear that you wasted so much time. 

Thanks Daniel. I'm not sorry: It's adventures like this that keep me on
my toes. Also, I don't ask on the list until I've done significant
research.

> Others seem to have been 
>there before as well:
>
>https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8026

Until somebody gets around to "fixing" it, which at this point would
mess up those used to the current behavior, it could be treated as a
documentation problem.

It would be interesting to put it on a page titled "The Top 20
Unexpected Behaviors in LyX". That page could be prominently linked to
by many other pages.

I'm so used to LyX that I long ago forgot the other 19 :-).

SteveT

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Re: How to paste into LyX-Code ?!!

[Daniel]

On 2021-11-17 23:28, Steve Litt wrote:

Daniel said on Wed, 17 Nov 2021 10:44:23 +0100


On 17/11/2021 10:01, Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

I have a C program I want to show in a book. So I use the LyX-Code
environment, but when I copy the C file to the clipboard and paste it
into the LyX-Code environment, all the newlines are removed. What's
the right way to show a C program file within LyX?

Thanks,

SteveT

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Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
   


You could try

"Edit" > "Paste Special" > "Plain Text" or Ctrl+Shift+V.


The preceding worked. Thank you!


I never understood what "Plain Text" does not among other things it
should keep the line breaks. I guess keeping line-breaks should be the
default...


It's ridiculous that it's not the default, you're right.

Thanks also to Norman Dunbar who suggested the same things.

Thanks also to Hartmut Hasse and Stephan Witt for their suggestions,
which I didn't try for lack of time once the Shift+Ctrl+v worked.

I spent 2 hours trying to find a method last night, before figuring I'd
be better off asking the list. Thanks for your suggestions!

SteveT


Sorry to hear that you wasted so much time. Others seem to have been 
there before as well:


https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8026

Unfortunately, gmane is dead and I couldn't figure out where the 
mentioned discussion is. But I guess its result just wasn't followed by 
action. I tried to bump the ticket up again.


And there was someone on the list, I think, who had a similar problem 
when pasting into ERT where joining lines seems to be no good idea either.


In general, it seems to me that the default paste should honor the 
format of the original. And if that isn't desired, "join lines" could be 
selected.


(Mostly there is *some* good idea for why things are as they are but 
there needs to be adjustment in light of people's actual experiences.)


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Re: How to paste into LyX-Code ?!!

[Steve Litt]

Daniel said on Wed, 17 Nov 2021 10:44:23 +0100

>On 17/11/2021 10:01, Steve Litt wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a C program I want to show in a book. So I use the LyX-Code
>> environment, but when I copy the C file to the clipboard and paste it
>> into the LyX-Code environment, all the newlines are removed. What's
>> the right way to show a C program file within LyX?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> SteveT
>> 
>> Steve Litt
>> Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the
>> Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
>>   
>
>You could try
>
>"Edit" > "Paste Special" > "Plain Text" or Ctrl+Shift+V.

The preceding worked. Thank you!
>
>I never understood what "Plain Text" does not among other things it 
>should keep the line breaks. I guess keeping line-breaks should be the 
>default...

It's ridiculous that it's not the default, you're right.

Thanks also to Norman Dunbar who suggested the same things.

Thanks also to Hartmut Hasse and Stephan Witt for their suggestions,
which I didn't try for lack of time once the Shift+Ctrl+v worked.

I spent 2 hours trying to find a method last night, before figuring I'd
be better off asking the list. Thanks for your suggestions!

SteveT

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Re: How to paste into LyX-Code ?

[Norman Dunbar]

Ctrl-shift-v pastes with new lines. 
Ctrl-v pastes without.

Caught me out for a while.

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On 17 November 2021 09:01:12 GMT, Steve Litt  wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I have a C program I want to show in a book. So I use the LyX-Code
>environment, but when I copy the C file to the clipboard and paste it
>into the LyX-Code environment, all the newlines are removed. What's the
>right way to show a C program file within LyX?
>
>Thanks, 
>
>SteveT
>
>Steve Litt 
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>Technologist
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Re: How to paste into LyX-Code ?

[Stephan Witt]

Am 17.11.2021 um 10:01 schrieb Steve Litt :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a C program I want to show in a book. So I use the LyX-Code
> environment, but when I copy the C file to the clipboard and paste it
> into the LyX-Code environment, all the newlines are removed. What's the
> right way to show a C program file within LyX?

Hi Steve,

you may insert a Listings inset and configure it to point to your C file.

After that you can define the lines you want to show and many more things.

See here for the options:
https://mirror.dogado.de/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/listings/listings.pdf

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Re: How to paste into LyX-Code ?

[Daniel]

On 17/11/2021 10:01, Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

I have a C program I want to show in a book. So I use the LyX-Code
environment, but when I copy the C file to the clipboard and paste it
into the LyX-Code environment, all the newlines are removed. What's the
right way to show a C program file within LyX?

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt
Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful 
Technologist
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You could try

"Edit" > "Paste Special" > "Plain Text" or Ctrl+Shift+V.

I never understood what "Plain Text" does not among other things it 
should keep the line breaks. I guess keeping line-breaks should be the 
default...


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Re: How to paste into LyX-Code ?

[Hartmut Haase]

Hi Steve, 
what if you rename  the .c file into .txt and do in Lux insert➡️file ➡️ simple 
text?
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How to paste into LyX-Code ?

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

I have a C program I want to show in a book. So I use the LyX-Code
environment, but when I copy the C file to the clipboard and paste it
into the LyX-Code environment, all the newlines are removed. What's the
right way to show a C program file within LyX?

Thanks, 

SteveT

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SV: I need an environment similar to, but not identical to LyX-Code

[Helge Hafting]

> I need an environment similar to, but not identical to the LyX-Code
> environment. Specifically, I need the page margins to be the same as
> regular text, and I'd also like a smaller font.


LyX-code is defined in  /usr/share/lyx/layouts/lyxmacros.inc  (OSes other than 
Linux may use a different folder)

In this file, you find both the LyX layout specification, and the LaTeX code:


Style LyX-Code
Category  MainText
MarginStatic
LatexType Environment
LatexName lyxcode
NextNoIndent  1
LeftMarginMMM
RightMargin   MMM
TopSep0.5
BottomSep 0.5
Align Left
AlignPossible Block, Left, Right, Center
LabelType No_Label
FreeSpacing   1
Preamble
\newenvironment{lyxcode}
{\par\begin{list}{}{
\setlength{\rightmargin}{\leftmargin}
\setlength{\listparindent}{0pt}% needed for AMS 
classes
\raggedright
\setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}
\setlength{\parsep}{0pt}
\normalfont\ttfamily}%
 \item[]}
{\end{list}}
EndPreamble
Font
  Family  Typewriter
EndFont
End

LyX-Code is set using the LaTeX environment lyxcode, which is defined inside 
the style itself.



I happen to have a custom layout with with what you request; Code with smaller 
text and regular margins. The style looks like this:


Style Code-small
  CopyStyle LyX-Code
  LatexType Environment
  LatexName codesmall
  LeftMargin ""
  RightMargin ""
  Font
Size Scriptsize
Family Typewriter
  EndFont
  Spellcheck 0
  Preamble
 \newenvironment{codesmall}
 {\begin{scriptsize}\par\begin{list}{}{
 \setlength{\leftmargin}{0pt}
 \setlength{\rightmargin}{0pt}
 \setlength{\listparindent}{0pt}% needed for AMS classes
 \raggedright
 \setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}
 \setlength{\parsep}{0pt}
 \normalfont\ttfamily}%
 \item[]}
 {\end{list}\end{scriptsize}}
  EndPreamble
End

Feel free to adapt it to your needs.Perhaps you want another size instead of 
Scriptsize.


Helge Hafting


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Sendt: fredag 11. juni 2021 01:54:03
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Emne: I need an environment similar to, but not identical to LyX-Code

I need an environment similar to, but not identical to the LyX-Code
environment. Specifically, I need the page margins to be the same as
regular text, and I'd also like a smaller font.

So I figured I'd find the LaTeX definition of LyX-Code and work from
there, possibly using CopyStyle. But I've searched for 1/2 hour and
cannot find the TeX definition of the latexname part of LyX-Code, nor
can I find the LyX user interface part of LyX-Code.

So where can I find the definition of LyX-Code?

SteveT

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Re: I need an environment similar to, but not identical to LyX-Code

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 6/10/21 7:54 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

I need an environment similar to, but not identical to the LyX-Code
environment. Specifically, I need the page margins to be the same as
regular text, and I'd also like a smaller font.

So I figured I'd find the LaTeX definition of LyX-Code and work from
there, possibly using CopyStyle. But I've searched for 1/2 hour and
cannot find the TeX definition of the latexname part of LyX-Code, nor
can I find the LyX user interface part of LyX-Code.

So where can I find the definition of LyX-Code?

SteveT

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Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques

Steve,

Create a file with one line of whatever in a LyX-Code environment. Turn 
on View > Code Preview Pane, and in the preview pane use an appropriate 
format (such as pdflatex) and set the drop down for what to show to 
Preamble Only. You'll find the \newenvironment{lyxcode}{...} stuff in 
the preview pane (after a little scrolling).


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I need an environment similar to, but not identical to LyX-Code

[Steve Litt]

I need an environment similar to, but not identical to the LyX-Code
environment. Specifically, I need the page margins to be the same as
regular text, and I'd also like a smaller font.

So I figured I'd find the LaTeX definition of LyX-Code and work from
there, possibly using CopyStyle. But I've searched for 1/2 hour and
cannot find the TeX definition of the latexname part of LyX-Code, nor
can I find the LyX user interface part of LyX-Code.

So where can I find the definition of LyX-Code?

SteveT

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Re: Blank lines in Lyx-Code mode

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

I think this behavior is pretty consistent across versions (give or take 
whether the blank line appears to be preserved during pasting).


Paul,

  Oh, Okay. I don't use the code environment all that often, but when I do
...

As far as the best way to insert a blank line, I usually stick in an 
unbreakable space (ctrl-space), or use ctrl-Enter to put in a manual line 
break.


  I put an manual line break at the end of each line just as a matter of
course.

Regards,

Rich

Re: Blank lines in Lyx-Code mode

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 03/14/2018 01:52 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018, Bruce Momjian wrote:


Using LyX 2.1.4, when I paste text using "Paste Special" into a LyX-Code
block, blank lines are preserved in the LyX display.


Bruce,

  Have you tried a newer version, e.g., 2.2.3 or 2.3.0rc2?

Rich
I think this behavior is pretty consistent across versions (give or take 
whether the blank line appears to be preserved during pasting). I also 
think the end result (no blank line in the code listing) is expect LaTeX 
behavior. Possibly someone could request a feature enhancement in LyX 
where LyX would look for empty lines in the clipboard and insert line 
breaks in them to preserve them. I'm not sure whether that would be 
generally desirable or not.


As far as the best way to insert a blank line, I usually stick in an 
unbreakable space (ctrl-space), or use ctrl-Enter to put in a manual 
line break. I don't know if there is an "official" LaTeX-ish way to 
preserve empty lines.


Paul

Re: Blank lines in Lyx-Code mode

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018, Bruce Momjian wrote:


Using LyX 2.1.4, when I paste text using "Paste Special" into a LyX-Code
block, blank lines are preserved in the LyX display.


Bruce,

  Have you tried a newer version, e.g., 2.2.3 or 2.3.0rc2?

Rich

Blank lines in Lyx-Code mode

[Bruce Momjian]

Using LyX 2.1.4, when I paste text using "Paste Special" into a LyX-Code
block, blank lines are preserved in the LyX display.  However, when I
render the document as a PDF, the blank lines are removed.  If I add a
space on the empty line, the blank line is output properly.

Is this expected behavior?  It certain is surprising.  Is there a better
way to render blank lines in Lyx-Code mode than adding a space to the
blank line?

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Re: Backtick in LyX's "LyX-Code" mode

[Bruce Momjian]

On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 03:40:27AM -0500, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 01:31:49AM +, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 08:48:13AM +, Guenter Milde wrote:
> > > On 2017-09-27, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:41:27PM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > > >> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:24:47PM +, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > > >> > I am using LyX 2.1.2 on Ubuntu 14.04.
> > > >> > 
> > > >> > If I enter this:
> > > >> > 
> > > >> >   ab'c de`f
> > > >> > 
> > > >> > in "Standard" mode I get PDF output with proper left/right single
> > > >> > quotes.  However, if I switch to LyX-Code mode for that text, I get 
> > > >> > as
> > > >> > PDF output:
> > > >> > 
> > > >> >  ab'c de'f
> > > 
> > > >> Testing on 2.1.0 and on 2.3.0dev, I get the following as PDF output:
> > > 
> > > >>   ab’c de‘f
> > > 
> > > >> which is different from what you get, but also not what you want.
> > > 
> > > > Actually, that would be fine output, as long as they look different.
> > > 
> > > >> > This is a problem for text of shell scripts.  I the want backticks
> > > >> > because backtick means 'execute' in the shell.
> > > >> > 
> > > >> > What I have done instead to get literal backticks output is to use a
> > > >> > TeX Code URT (Ugly Red Text) block inside the "LyX-Code mode" block 
> > > >> > and
> > > >> > used \char18, which properly outputs the backtick.
> > > >> > 
> > > >> > Is this expected behavior?  Is that the recommended solution for 
> > > >> > this?
> > > 
> > > >> I have not seen a report of this, but I haven't seen an indication that
> > > >> a lot of people are using LyX-Code, so I'm not sure if is known.
> > > 
> > > > OK, not sure what could be the cause then.  I am using ps2pdf to produce
> > > > the PDF.
> > > 
> > > The view in PDF depends on the selected fonts rather than export route. I
> > > get identic results with PDF (pdflatex) and PDF (ps2pdf).
> > > 
> > > You may experiment with different fonts, as well as checking the result of
> > > drag-and-drop from the PDF. Here, it is
> > >  ab'c de`f  with PDF(pdflatex) and ab' de`f with PDF(ps2pdf).
> > > 
> > > > What I have done as a work-around is to warn in my Makefile if a
> > > > backquote is used in the LyX document.
> > > 
> > > Did you try with listings?
> > 
> > Hi Bruce,
> > 
> > I just wanted to make sure that you saw Günter's message (pasted above),
> > since he had a good idea, to experiment with different fonts.
> 
> Hi Bruce (I'm CC'ing you directly now), just wanted to make sure you saw
> Günter's message above.

Thanks.  I ended up adding this to the Makefile I use to generate the
PDFs:

# check for backquotes, which appear as single quotes
if grep -q '`' "$FILE"
thenecho 'Backquotes found, replace with TeX Code \\char18'
exit 1
fi

It warns me about backquotes and suggests replacement with TeX Code
\\char18.

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Re: Backtick in LyX's "LyX-Code" mode

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 01:31:49AM +, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 08:48:13AM +, Guenter Milde wrote:
> > On 2017-09-27, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:41:27PM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > >> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:24:47PM +, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > >> > I am using LyX 2.1.2 on Ubuntu 14.04.
> > >> > 
> > >> > If I enter this:
> > >> > 
> > >> > ab'c de`f
> > >> > 
> > >> > in "Standard" mode I get PDF output with proper left/right single
> > >> > quotes.  However, if I switch to LyX-Code mode for that text, I get as
> > >> > PDF output:
> > >> > 
> > >> >ab'c de'f
> > 
> > >> Testing on 2.1.0 and on 2.3.0dev, I get the following as PDF output:
> > 
> > >>   ab’c de‘f
> > 
> > >> which is different from what you get, but also not what you want.
> > 
> > > Actually, that would be fine output, as long as they look different.
> > 
> > >> > This is a problem for text of shell scripts.  I the want backticks
> > >> > because backtick means 'execute' in the shell.
> > >> > 
> > >> > What I have done instead to get literal backticks output is to use a
> > >> > TeX Code URT (Ugly Red Text) block inside the "LyX-Code mode" block and
> > >> > used \char18, which properly outputs the backtick.
> > >> > 
> > >> > Is this expected behavior?  Is that the recommended solution for this?
> > 
> > >> I have not seen a report of this, but I haven't seen an indication that
> > >> a lot of people are using LyX-Code, so I'm not sure if is known.
> > 
> > > OK, not sure what could be the cause then.  I am using ps2pdf to produce
> > > the PDF.
> > 
> > The view in PDF depends on the selected fonts rather than export route. I
> > get identic results with PDF (pdflatex) and PDF (ps2pdf).
> > 
> > You may experiment with different fonts, as well as checking the result of
> > drag-and-drop from the PDF. Here, it is
> >  ab'c de`f  with PDF(pdflatex) and ab' de`f with PDF(ps2pdf).
> > 
> > > What I have done as a work-around is to warn in my Makefile if a
> > > backquote is used in the LyX document.
> > 
> > Did you try with listings?
> 
> Hi Bruce,
> 
> I just wanted to make sure that you saw Günter's message (pasted above),
> since he had a good idea, to experiment with different fonts.

Hi Bruce (I'm CC'ing you directly now), just wanted to make sure you saw
Günter's message above.

Scott

Re: Backtick in LyX's "LyX-Code" mode

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 08:48:13AM +, Guenter Milde wrote:
> On 2017-09-27, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:41:27PM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> >> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:24:47PM +, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> >> > I am using LyX 2.1.2 on Ubuntu 14.04.
> >> > 
> >> > If I enter this:
> >> > 
> >> >   ab'c de`f
> >> > 
> >> > in "Standard" mode I get PDF output with proper left/right single
> >> > quotes.  However, if I switch to LyX-Code mode for that text, I get as
> >> > PDF output:
> >> > 
> >> >  ab'c de'f
> 
> >> Testing on 2.1.0 and on 2.3.0dev, I get the following as PDF output:
> 
> >>   ab’c de‘f
> 
> >> which is different from what you get, but also not what you want.
> 
> > Actually, that would be fine output, as long as they look different.
> 
> >> > This is a problem for text of shell scripts.  I the want backticks
> >> > because backtick means 'execute' in the shell.
> >> > 
> >> > What I have done instead to get literal backticks output is to use a
> >> > TeX Code URT (Ugly Red Text) block inside the "LyX-Code mode" block and
> >> > used \char18, which properly outputs the backtick.
> >> > 
> >> > Is this expected behavior?  Is that the recommended solution for this?
> 
> >> I have not seen a report of this, but I haven't seen an indication that
> >> a lot of people are using LyX-Code, so I'm not sure if is known.
> 
> > OK, not sure what could be the cause then.  I am using ps2pdf to produce
> > the PDF.
> 
> The view in PDF depends on the selected fonts rather than export route. I
> get identic results with PDF (pdflatex) and PDF (ps2pdf).
> 
> You may experiment with different fonts, as well as checking the result of
> drag-and-drop from the PDF. Here, it is
>  ab'c de`f  with PDF(pdflatex) and ab' de`f with PDF(ps2pdf).
> 
> > What I have done as a work-around is to warn in my Makefile if a
> > backquote is used in the LyX document.
> 
> Did you try with listings?

Hi Bruce,

I just wanted to make sure that you saw Günter's message (pasted above),
since he had a good idea, to experiment with different fonts.

Best,

Scott


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Re: Backtick in LyX's "LyX-Code" mode

[Guenter Milde]

On 2017-09-27, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:41:27PM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:24:47PM +, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>> > I am using LyX 2.1.2 on Ubuntu 14.04.
>> > 
>> > If I enter this:
>> > 
>> > ab'c de`f
>> > 
>> > in "Standard" mode I get PDF output with proper left/right single
>> > quotes.  However, if I switch to LyX-Code mode for that text, I get as
>> > PDF output:
>> > 
>> >ab'c de'f

>> Testing on 2.1.0 and on 2.3.0dev, I get the following as PDF output:

>>   ab’c de‘f

>> which is different from what you get, but also not what you want.

> Actually, that would be fine output, as long as they look different.

>> > This is a problem for text of shell scripts.  I the want backticks
>> > because backtick means 'execute' in the shell.
>> > 
>> > What I have done instead to get literal backticks output is to use a
>> > TeX Code URT (Ugly Red Text) block inside the "LyX-Code mode" block and
>> > used \char18, which properly outputs the backtick.
>> > 
>> > Is this expected behavior?  Is that the recommended solution for this?

>> I have not seen a report of this, but I haven't seen an indication that
>> a lot of people are using LyX-Code, so I'm not sure if is known.

> OK, not sure what could be the cause then.  I am using ps2pdf to produce
> the PDF.

The view in PDF depends on the selected fonts rather than export route. I
get identic results with PDF (pdflatex) and PDF (ps2pdf).

You may experiment with different fonts, as well as checking the result of
drag-and-drop from the PDF. Here, it is
 ab'c de`f  with PDF(pdflatex) and ab' de`f with PDF(ps2pdf).

> What I have done as a work-around is to warn in my Makefile if a
> backquote is used in the LyX document.

Did you try with listings?


Günter

Re: Backtick in LyX's "LyX-Code" mode

[Bruce Momjian]

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:41:27PM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:24:47PM +, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > I am using LyX 2.1.2 on Ubuntu 14.04.
> > 
> > If I enter this:
> > 
> >  ab'c de`f
> > 
> > in "Standard" mode I get PDF output with proper left/right single
> > quotes.  However, if I switch to LyX-Code mode for that text, I get as
> > PDF output:
> > 
> > ab'c de'f
> 
> Testing on 2.1.0 and on 2.3.0dev, I get the following as PDF output:
> 
>   ab’c de‘f
> 
> which is different from what you get, but also not what you want.

Actually, that would be fine output, as long as they look different.

> > This is a problem for text of shell scripts.  I the want backticks
> > because backtick means 'execute' in the shell.
> > 
> > What I have done instead to get literal backticks output is to use a
> > TeX Code URT (Ugly Red Text) block inside the "LyX-Code mode" block and
> > used \char18, which properly outputs the backtick.
> > 
> > Is this expected behavior?  Is that the recommended solution for this?
> 
> I have not seen a report of this, but I haven't seen an indication that
> a lot of people are using LyX-Code, so I'm not sure if is known.

OK, not sure what could be the cause then.  I am using ps2pdf to produce
the PDF.

What I have done as a work-around is to warn in my Makefile if a
backquote is used in the LyX document.

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Re: Backtick in LyX's "LyX-Code" mode

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:24:47PM +, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> I am using LyX 2.1.2 on Ubuntu 14.04.
> 
> If I enter this:
> 
>ab'c de`f
> 
> in "Standard" mode I get PDF output with proper left/right single
> quotes.  However, if I switch to LyX-Code mode for that text, I get as
> PDF output:
> 
>   ab'c de'f

Testing on 2.1.0 and on 2.3.0dev, I get the following as PDF output:

  ab’c de‘f

which is different from what you get, but also not what you want.

> This is a problem for text of shell scripts.  I the want backticks
> because backtick means 'execute' in the shell.
> 
> What I have done instead to get literal backticks output is to use a
> TeX Code URT (Ugly Red Text) block inside the "LyX-Code mode" block and
> used \char18, which properly outputs the backtick.
> 
> Is this expected behavior?  Is that the recommended solution for this?

I have not seen a report of this, but I haven't seen an indication that
a lot of people are using LyX-Code, so I'm not sure if is known.

Scott


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Re: Backtick in LyX's "LyX-Code" mode

[Guenter Milde]

On 2017-09-25, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> I am using LyX 2.1.2 on Ubuntu 14.04.

> If I enter this:

>ab'c de`f

> in "Standard" mode I get PDF output with proper left/right single
> quotes. 

This is a feature of LaTeX fonts: the ASCII quote and backtick are mapped
to "typographical" quotes u2019 and u2018:  ab’c de‘f

> However, if I switch to LyX-Code mode for that text, I get as
> PDF output:

>   ab'c de'f

Here, I get the "typographical" quotes u2019 and u2018 in a teletype
font: ab’c de‘f

With Document>Settings>Fonts>non-TeX fonts, the PDF output is as expected: 
ab'c de`f

> This is a problem for text of shell scripts.  I the want backticks
> because backtick means 'execute' in the shell.

> What I have done instead to get literal backticks output is to use a
> TeX Code URT (Ugly Red Text) block inside the "LyX-Code mode" block and
> used \char18, which properly outputs the backtick.

In case using Unicode fonts is not an option, you may also try the
"listings" package (Insert>Program listing) with the options

  upquote=true
  basicstyle=\ttfamily

in Document>Settings>Program listings. In a minimal document, you may
need to add \usepackage{textcomp} to the LaTeX preamble.


A a last ressort, you can use the macro \textasciigrave (instead of
\char18) in raw LaTeX (ERT).


Günter

Backtick in LyX's "LyX-Code" mode

[Bruce Momjian]

I am using LyX 2.1.2 on Ubuntu 14.04.

If I enter this:

 ab'c de`f

in "Standard" mode I get PDF output with proper left/right single
quotes.  However, if I switch to LyX-Code mode for that text, I get as
PDF output:

ab'c de'f

This is a problem for text of shell scripts.  I the want backticks
because backtick means 'execute' in the shell.

What I have done instead to get literal backticks output is to use a
TeX Code URT (Ugly Red Text) block inside the "LyX-Code mode" block and
used \char18, which properly outputs the backtick.

Is this expected behavior?  Is that the recommended solution for this?

-- 
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Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Andrew Parsloe]

On 15/01/2013 8:47 p.m., Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 15.01.2013 um 08:46 schrieb Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net:


Am 15.01.2013 um 08:06 schrieb Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote:

Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe apars...@clear.net.nz:

What does ~ signify here?


It's the not operator. In your case not shift.


I'm curious: What does this imply in terms of physical keyboard? That
is, what should one press to get 'not shift'?


~S-C-quotedbl is the key which translates to quotedbl plus control but without 
shift.

If you don't have a keyboard with quotedbl without shift this binding does not 
match.
IMHO, one has to change that e.g. for a german keyboard to ~S-C-2.


Sorry, obviously I should have written S-C-2

Stephan

Thanks for the answer about ~. Following your S-C-2 example, I deleted 
the shortcut I'd made to get , and instead modified cua.bind by 
commenting out


\bind S-C-quotedbl  self-insert \

and, for my keyboard where ' and  are on the same key, replacing it with

\bind S-C-' self-insert \

Starting up LyX again, this gives me exactly what I want, ASCII 34, the 
straight double quote.


Andrew

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote:
 Am 15.01.2013 um 08:46 schrieb Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net:

 Am 15.01.2013 um 08:06 schrieb Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:

 On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote:
 Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe apars...@clear.net.nz:
 What does ~ signify here?

 It's the not operator. In your case not shift.

 I'm curious: What does this imply in terms of physical keyboard? That
 is, what should one press to get 'not shift'?

 ~S-C-quotedbl is the key which translates to quotedbl plus control but 
 without shift.

 If you don't have a keyboard with quotedbl without shift this binding does 
 not match.
 IMHO, one has to change that e.g. for a german keyboard to ~S-C-2.

There's a related (unresolved) issue with the parentheses shortcuts in
the sciword binding: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8364#comment:7

Scott

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Olivier Ripoll]

On 14.01.2013 09:35, Andrew Parsloe wrote:

I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment
that LyX displays *slanted* double quotes, nor does there seem to be any
shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes. I can understand
this for the usual text environments (Standard, Quote etc.) but for
LyX-Code this seems wrong. LyX-Code is used for things like program
listings, where double quotes are usually understood to be ASCII 34s.
Copying and pasting code fragments containing slanted double quotes from
a LyX-Code environment into a program will generally produce errors
because of this.

I've tripped on this before and have now assigned the shortcut

command-sequence self-insert 

to Ctrl+Shift+' to produce ASCII 34. (On my keyboard Shift+' is the
straight double quote symbol which LyX converts into slanted quotes.) I
think a key combination to produce ASCII 34 should be part of standard
LyX, specifically for the LyX-Code environment.


One workaround could be to use listing instead of LyXCode (Insert - 
Program Listing), with the option:

upquote=true
(to be typed in the Listing Settings window, Advanced tab)

Best regards,

O.



Andrew

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Andrew Parsloe]

On 15/01/2013 8:47 p.m., Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 15.01.2013 um 08:46 schrieb Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net:


Am 15.01.2013 um 08:06 schrieb Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote:

Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe apars...@clear.net.nz:

What does ~ signify here?


It's the not operator. In your case not shift.


I'm curious: What does this imply in terms of physical keyboard? That
is, what should one press to get 'not shift'?


~S-C-quotedbl is the key which translates to quotedbl plus control but without 
shift.

If you don't have a keyboard with quotedbl without shift this binding does not 
match.
IMHO, one has to change that e.g. for a german keyboard to ~S-C-2.


Sorry, obviously I should have written S-C-2

Stephan

Thanks for the answer about ~. Following your S-C-2 example, I deleted 
the shortcut I'd made to get , and instead modified cua.bind by 
commenting out


\bind S-C-quotedbl  self-insert \

and, for my keyboard where ' and  are on the same key, replacing it with

\bind S-C-' self-insert \

Starting up LyX again, this gives me exactly what I want, ASCII 34, the 
straight double quote.


Andrew

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote:
 Am 15.01.2013 um 08:46 schrieb Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net:

 Am 15.01.2013 um 08:06 schrieb Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:

 On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote:
 Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe apars...@clear.net.nz:
 What does ~ signify here?

 It's the not operator. In your case not shift.

 I'm curious: What does this imply in terms of physical keyboard? That
 is, what should one press to get 'not shift'?

 ~S-C-quotedbl is the key which translates to quotedbl plus control but 
 without shift.

 If you don't have a keyboard with quotedbl without shift this binding does 
 not match.
 IMHO, one has to change that e.g. for a german keyboard to ~S-C-2.

There's a related (unresolved) issue with the parentheses shortcuts in
the sciword binding: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8364#comment:7

Scott

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Olivier Ripoll]

On 14.01.2013 09:35, Andrew Parsloe wrote:

I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment
that LyX displays *slanted* double quotes, nor does there seem to be any
shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes. I can understand
this for the usual text environments (Standard, Quote etc.) but for
LyX-Code this seems wrong. LyX-Code is used for things like program
listings, where double quotes are usually understood to be ASCII 34s.
Copying and pasting code fragments containing slanted double quotes from
a LyX-Code environment into a program will generally produce errors
because of this.

I've tripped on this before and have now assigned the shortcut

command-sequence self-insert 

to Ctrl+Shift+' to produce ASCII 34. (On my keyboard Shift+' is the
straight double quote symbol which LyX converts into slanted quotes.) I
think a key combination to produce ASCII 34 should be part of standard
LyX, specifically for the LyX-Code environment.


One workaround could be to use listing instead of LyXCode (Insert - 
Program Listing), with the option:

upquote=true
(to be typed in the Listing Settings window, Advanced tab)

Best regards,

O.



Andrew

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Andrew Parsloe]

On 15/01/2013 8:47 p.m., Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 15.01.2013 um 08:46 schrieb Stephan Witt :


Am 15.01.2013 um 08:06 schrieb Liviu Andronic :


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Stephan Witt  wrote:

Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe :

What does ~ signify here?


It's the not operator. In your case "not shift".


I'm curious: What does this imply in terms of physical keyboard? That
is, what should one press to get 'not shift'?


"~S-C-quotedbl" is "the key which translates to quotedbl plus control but without 
shift".

If you don't have a keyboard with quotedbl without shift this binding does not 
match.
IMHO, one has to change that e.g. for a german keyboard to "~S-C-2".


Sorry, obviously I should have written "S-C-2"

Stephan

Thanks for the answer about ~. Following your "S-C-2" example, I deleted 
the shortcut I'd made to get ", and instead modified cua.bind by 
commenting out


\bind "S-C-quotedbl"  "self-insert \""

and, for my keyboard where ' and " are on the same key, replacing it with

\bind "S-C-'" "self-insert \""

Starting up LyX again, this gives me exactly what I want, ASCII 34, the 
straight double quote.


Andrew

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Stephan Witt  wrote:
> Am 15.01.2013 um 08:46 schrieb Stephan Witt :
>
>> Am 15.01.2013 um 08:06 schrieb Liviu Andronic :
>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Stephan Witt  wrote:
 Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe :
> What does ~ signify here?

 It's the not operator. In your case "not shift".

>>> I'm curious: What does this imply in terms of physical keyboard? That
>>> is, what should one press to get 'not shift'?
>>
>> "~S-C-quotedbl" is "the key which translates to quotedbl plus control but 
>> without shift".
>>
>> If you don't have a keyboard with quotedbl without shift this binding does 
>> not match.
>> IMHO, one has to change that e.g. for a german keyboard to "~S-C-2".

There's a related (unresolved) issue with the parentheses shortcuts in
the sciword binding: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8364#comment:7

Scott

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Olivier Ripoll]

On 14.01.2013 09:35, Andrew Parsloe wrote:

I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment
that LyX displays *slanted* double quotes, nor does there seem to be any
shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes. I can understand
this for the usual text environments (Standard, Quote etc.) but for
LyX-Code this seems wrong. LyX-Code is used for things like program
listings, where double quotes are usually understood to be ASCII 34s.
Copying and pasting code fragments containing slanted double quotes from
a LyX-Code environment into a program will generally produce errors
because of this.

I've tripped on this before and have now assigned the shortcut

command-sequence self-insert "

to Ctrl+Shift+' to produce ASCII 34. (On my keyboard Shift+' is the
straight double quote symbol which LyX converts into slanted quotes.) I
think a key combination to produce ASCII 34 should be part of "standard
LyX", specifically for the LyX-Code environment.


One workaround could be to use "listing" instead of LyXCode (Insert -> 
Program Listing), with the option:

upquote=true
(to be typed in the Listing "Settings" window, "Advanced" tab)

Best regards,

O.



Andrew

Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Andrew Parsloe]

I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment 
that LyX displays *slanted* double quotes, nor does there seem to be any 
shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes. I can understand 
this for the usual text environments (Standard, Quote etc.) but for 
LyX-Code this seems wrong. LyX-Code is used for things like program 
listings, where double quotes are usually understood to be ASCII 34s. 
Copying and pasting code fragments containing slanted double quotes from 
a LyX-Code environment into a program will generally produce errors 
because of this.


I've tripped on this before and have now assigned the shortcut

command-sequence self-insert 

to Ctrl+Shift+' to produce ASCII 34. (On my keyboard Shift+' is the 
straight double quote symbol which LyX converts into slanted quotes.) I 
think a key combination to produce ASCII 34 should be part of standard 
LyX, specifically for the LyX-Code environment.


Andrew

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-01-14, Andrew Parsloe wrote:
 I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment 
 that LyX displays *slanted* double quotes, nor does there seem to be any 
 shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes. I can understand 
 this for the usual text environments (Standard, Quote etc.) but for 
 LyX-Code this seems wrong. LyX-Code is used for things like program 
 listings, where double quotes are usually understood to be ASCII 34s. 
 Copying and pasting code fragments containing slanted double quotes from 
 a LyX-Code environment into a program will generally produce errors 
 because of this.

 I've tripped on this before and have now assigned the shortcut

 command-sequence self-insert 

 to Ctrl+Shift+' to produce ASCII 34. (On my keyboard Shift+' is the 
 straight double quote symbol which LyX converts into slanted quotes.) I 
 think a key combination to produce ASCII 34 should be part of standard 
 LyX, specifically for the LyX-Code environment.

IMV, the right thing would be to turn off the smart quote feature in
LyX-Code. 

To the developers: 

* Would it be possible to change the quote-inset so that
  it generates straight/literal quote characters in LyX-Code?

* This would/should also solve the bug http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7309
  program listings lose quotation marks of converted code
  
Günter

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Andrew Parsloe wrote:
 I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment 
 that LyX displays slanted double quotes, nor does there seem to be any 
 shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes.

Straight quotes are bound to Shift+ in the standard setting (cua).

Jürgen

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Andrew Parsloe]

On 15/01/2013 1:03 a.m., Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Andrew Parsloe wrote:

I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment
that LyX displays slanted double quotes, nor does there seem to be any
shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes.


Straight quotes are bound to Shift+ in the standard setting (cua).

Jürgen

I use the cua bindings ( Windows Vista). On my present keyboard,  I 
think previous ones, the single  double quotes use the same key,  
being Shift+', but LyX interprets this as smart double quotes. The 
single quote is not interpreted as a smart quote: Alt+Shift+' gives a 
smart single quote.


I see in cua.bind:

\bind ~S-M-quotedbl quote-insert single
\bind ~S-C-quotedbl self-insert \

What does ~ signify here?

Andrew

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Stephan Witt]

Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe apars...@clear.net.nz:

 On 15/01/2013 1:03 a.m., Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Andrew Parsloe wrote:
 I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment
 that LyX displays slanted double quotes, nor does there seem to be any
 shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes.
 
 Straight quotes are bound to Shift+ in the standard setting (cua).
 
 Jürgen
 
 I use the cua bindings ( Windows Vista). On my present keyboard,  I think 
 previous ones, the single  double quotes use the same key,  being Shift+', 
 but LyX interprets this as smart double quotes. The single quote is not 
 interpreted as a smart quote: Alt+Shift+' gives a smart single quote.
 
 I see in cua.bind:
 
 \bind ~S-M-quotedbl quote-insert single
 \bind ~S-C-quotedbl self-insert \
 
 What does ~ signify here?

It's the not operator. In your case not shift.

Stephan

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Liviu Andronic]

On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote:
 Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe apars...@clear.net.nz:
 What does ~ signify here?

 It's the not operator. In your case not shift.

I'm curious: What does this imply in terms of physical keyboard? That
is, what should one press to get 'not shift'?

Liviu

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Stephan Witt]

Am 15.01.2013 um 08:06 schrieb Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:

 On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote:
 Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe apars...@clear.net.nz:
 What does ~ signify here?
 
 It's the not operator. In your case not shift.
 
 I'm curious: What does this imply in terms of physical keyboard? That
 is, what should one press to get 'not shift'?

~S-C-quotedbl is the key which translates to quotedbl plus control but 
without shift.

If you don't have a keyboard with quotedbl without shift this binding does not 
match.
IMHO, one has to change that e.g. for a german keyboard to ~S-C-2.

See the debug messages I get when trying to input Control-

1. Pure 
frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp (1068):  count: 1 text:  isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 
16777248 keyState: Shift-
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (623): Getting key 16777248, with text ''
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (629): Setting key to 16777248, 
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1881): KeySym is Shift_L
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (652): isModifier is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp (1068):  count: 1 text:  isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 34 
keyState: Shift-
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (623): Getting key 34, with text ''
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (629): Setting key to 34, 
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1881): KeySym is quotedbl
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (652): isModifier is 0
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1904): action first set to []
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1912): action now set to []
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1923):  Key [action=][Shift-]
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1936): Trying without shift
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1938): Action now 

2. Now Control-
frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp (1068):  count: 1 text:  isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 
16777249 keyState: Control-
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (623): Getting key 16777249, with text ''
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (629): Setting key to 16777249, 
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1881): KeySym is Control_L
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (652): isModifier is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp (1068):  count: 1 text:  isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 
16777248 keyState: Shift-Control-
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (623): Getting key 16777248, with text ''
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (629): Setting key to 16777248, 
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1881): KeySym is Shift_L
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (652): isModifier is 1
08:41:03.874: Befehl ist deaktiviertfrontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp (1068):  
count: 1 text:  isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 50 keyState: Shift-Control-
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (618): keyevent has isNull() text !
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1881): KeySym is 2
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (652): isModifier is 0
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1904): action first set to []
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1912): action now set to []
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1923):  Key [action=][Shift-Befehl-2]

Stephan

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Stephan Witt]

Am 15.01.2013 um 08:46 schrieb Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net:

 Am 15.01.2013 um 08:06 schrieb Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:
 
 On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote:
 Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe apars...@clear.net.nz:
 What does ~ signify here?
 
 It's the not operator. In your case not shift.
 
 I'm curious: What does this imply in terms of physical keyboard? That
 is, what should one press to get 'not shift'?
 
 ~S-C-quotedbl is the key which translates to quotedbl plus control but 
 without shift.
 
 If you don't have a keyboard with quotedbl without shift this binding does 
 not match.
 IMHO, one has to change that e.g. for a german keyboard to ~S-C-2.

Sorry, obviously I should have written S-C-2

Stephan

Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Andrew Parsloe]

I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment 
that LyX displays *slanted* double quotes, nor does there seem to be any 
shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes. I can understand 
this for the usual text environments (Standard, Quote etc.) but for 
LyX-Code this seems wrong. LyX-Code is used for things like program 
listings, where double quotes are usually understood to be ASCII 34s. 
Copying and pasting code fragments containing slanted double quotes from 
a LyX-Code environment into a program will generally produce errors 
because of this.


I've tripped on this before and have now assigned the shortcut

command-sequence self-insert 

to Ctrl+Shift+' to produce ASCII 34. (On my keyboard Shift+' is the 
straight double quote symbol which LyX converts into slanted quotes.) I 
think a key combination to produce ASCII 34 should be part of standard 
LyX, specifically for the LyX-Code environment.


Andrew

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-01-14, Andrew Parsloe wrote:
 I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment 
 that LyX displays *slanted* double quotes, nor does there seem to be any 
 shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes. I can understand 
 this for the usual text environments (Standard, Quote etc.) but for 
 LyX-Code this seems wrong. LyX-Code is used for things like program 
 listings, where double quotes are usually understood to be ASCII 34s. 
 Copying and pasting code fragments containing slanted double quotes from 
 a LyX-Code environment into a program will generally produce errors 
 because of this.

 I've tripped on this before and have now assigned the shortcut

 command-sequence self-insert 

 to Ctrl+Shift+' to produce ASCII 34. (On my keyboard Shift+' is the 
 straight double quote symbol which LyX converts into slanted quotes.) I 
 think a key combination to produce ASCII 34 should be part of standard 
 LyX, specifically for the LyX-Code environment.

IMV, the right thing would be to turn off the smart quote feature in
LyX-Code. 

To the developers: 

* Would it be possible to change the quote-inset so that
  it generates straight/literal quote characters in LyX-Code?

* This would/should also solve the bug http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7309
  program listings lose quotation marks of converted code
  
Günter

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Andrew Parsloe wrote:
 I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment 
 that LyX displays slanted double quotes, nor does there seem to be any 
 shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes.

Straight quotes are bound to Shift+ in the standard setting (cua).

Jürgen

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Andrew Parsloe]

On 15/01/2013 1:03 a.m., Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Andrew Parsloe wrote:

I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment
that LyX displays slanted double quotes, nor does there seem to be any
shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes.


Straight quotes are bound to Shift+ in the standard setting (cua).

Jürgen

I use the cua bindings ( Windows Vista). On my present keyboard,  I 
think previous ones, the single  double quotes use the same key,  
being Shift+', but LyX interprets this as smart double quotes. The 
single quote is not interpreted as a smart quote: Alt+Shift+' gives a 
smart single quote.


I see in cua.bind:

\bind ~S-M-quotedbl quote-insert single
\bind ~S-C-quotedbl self-insert \

What does ~ signify here?

Andrew

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Stephan Witt]

Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe apars...@clear.net.nz:

 On 15/01/2013 1:03 a.m., Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Andrew Parsloe wrote:
 I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment
 that LyX displays slanted double quotes, nor does there seem to be any
 shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes.
 
 Straight quotes are bound to Shift+ in the standard setting (cua).
 
 Jürgen
 
 I use the cua bindings ( Windows Vista). On my present keyboard,  I think 
 previous ones, the single  double quotes use the same key,  being Shift+', 
 but LyX interprets this as smart double quotes. The single quote is not 
 interpreted as a smart quote: Alt+Shift+' gives a smart single quote.
 
 I see in cua.bind:
 
 \bind ~S-M-quotedbl quote-insert single
 \bind ~S-C-quotedbl self-insert \
 
 What does ~ signify here?

It's the not operator. In your case not shift.

Stephan

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Liviu Andronic]

On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote:
 Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe apars...@clear.net.nz:
 What does ~ signify here?

 It's the not operator. In your case not shift.

I'm curious: What does this imply in terms of physical keyboard? That
is, what should one press to get 'not shift'?

Liviu

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Stephan Witt]

Am 15.01.2013 um 08:06 schrieb Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:

 On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote:
 Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe apars...@clear.net.nz:
 What does ~ signify here?
 
 It's the not operator. In your case not shift.
 
 I'm curious: What does this imply in terms of physical keyboard? That
 is, what should one press to get 'not shift'?

~S-C-quotedbl is the key which translates to quotedbl plus control but 
without shift.

If you don't have a keyboard with quotedbl without shift this binding does not 
match.
IMHO, one has to change that e.g. for a german keyboard to ~S-C-2.

See the debug messages I get when trying to input Control-

1. Pure 
frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp (1068):  count: 1 text:  isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 
16777248 keyState: Shift-
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (623): Getting key 16777248, with text ''
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (629): Setting key to 16777248, 
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1881): KeySym is Shift_L
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (652): isModifier is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp (1068):  count: 1 text:  isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 34 
keyState: Shift-
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (623): Getting key 34, with text ''
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (629): Setting key to 34, 
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1881): KeySym is quotedbl
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (652): isModifier is 0
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1904): action first set to []
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1912): action now set to []
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1923):  Key [action=][Shift-]
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1936): Trying without shift
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1938): Action now 

2. Now Control-
frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp (1068):  count: 1 text:  isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 
16777249 keyState: Control-
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (623): Getting key 16777249, with text ''
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (629): Setting key to 16777249, 
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1881): KeySym is Control_L
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (652): isModifier is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp (1068):  count: 1 text:  isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 
16777248 keyState: Shift-Control-
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (623): Getting key 16777248, with text ''
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (629): Setting key to 16777248, 
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1881): KeySym is Shift_L
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (652): isModifier is 1
08:41:03.874: Befehl ist deaktiviertfrontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp (1068):  
count: 1 text:  isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 50 keyState: Shift-Control-
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (618): keyevent has isNull() text !
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1881): KeySym is 2
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (652): isModifier is 0
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1904): action first set to []
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1912): action now set to []
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1923):  Key [action=][Shift-Befehl-2]

Stephan

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Stephan Witt]

Am 15.01.2013 um 08:46 schrieb Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net:

 Am 15.01.2013 um 08:06 schrieb Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:
 
 On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote:
 Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe apars...@clear.net.nz:
 What does ~ signify here?
 
 It's the not operator. In your case not shift.
 
 I'm curious: What does this imply in terms of physical keyboard? That
 is, what should one press to get 'not shift'?
 
 ~S-C-quotedbl is the key which translates to quotedbl plus control but 
 without shift.
 
 If you don't have a keyboard with quotedbl without shift this binding does 
 not match.
 IMHO, one has to change that e.g. for a german keyboard to ~S-C-2.

Sorry, obviously I should have written S-C-2

Stephan

Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Andrew Parsloe]

I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment 
that LyX displays *slanted* double quotes, nor does there seem to be any 
shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes. I can understand 
this for the usual text environments (Standard, Quote etc.) but for 
LyX-Code this seems wrong. LyX-Code is used for things like program 
listings, where double quotes are usually understood to be ASCII 34s. 
Copying and pasting code fragments containing slanted double quotes from 
a LyX-Code environment into a program will generally produce errors 
because of this.


I've tripped on this before and have now assigned the shortcut

command-sequence self-insert "

to Ctrl+Shift+' to produce ASCII 34. (On my keyboard Shift+' is the 
straight double quote symbol which LyX converts into slanted quotes.) I 
think a key combination to produce ASCII 34 should be part of "standard 
LyX", specifically for the LyX-Code environment.


Andrew

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-01-14, Andrew Parsloe wrote:
> I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment 
> that LyX displays *slanted* double quotes, nor does there seem to be any 
> shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes. I can understand 
> this for the usual text environments (Standard, Quote etc.) but for 
> LyX-Code this seems wrong. LyX-Code is used for things like program 
> listings, where double quotes are usually understood to be ASCII 34s. 
> Copying and pasting code fragments containing slanted double quotes from 
> a LyX-Code environment into a program will generally produce errors 
> because of this.

> I've tripped on this before and have now assigned the shortcut

> command-sequence self-insert "

> to Ctrl+Shift+' to produce ASCII 34. (On my keyboard Shift+' is the 
> straight double quote symbol which LyX converts into slanted quotes.) I 
> think a key combination to produce ASCII 34 should be part of "standard 
> LyX", specifically for the LyX-Code environment.

IMV, the right thing would be to turn off the "smart quote" feature in
LyX-Code. 

To the developers: 

* Would it be possible to change the quote-inset so that
  it generates straight/literal quote characters in LyX-Code?

* This would/should also solve the bug http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7309
  "program listings "lose" quotation marks of converted code"
  
Günter

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Andrew Parsloe wrote:
> I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment 
> that LyX displays slanted double quotes, nor does there seem to be any 
> shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes.

Straight quotes are bound to Shift+" in the standard setting (cua).

Jürgen

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Andrew Parsloe]

On 15/01/2013 1:03 a.m., Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

Andrew Parsloe wrote:

I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment
that LyX displays slanted double quotes, nor does there seem to be any
shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes.


Straight quotes are bound to Shift+" in the standard setting (cua).

Jürgen

I use the cua bindings (& Windows Vista). On my present keyboard, & I 
think previous ones, the single & double quotes use the same key, " 
being Shift+', but LyX interprets this as smart double quotes. The 
single quote is not interpreted as a smart quote: Alt+Shift+' gives a 
smart single quote.


I see in cua.bind:

\bind "~S-M-quotedbl" "quote-insert single"
\bind "~S-C-quotedbl" "self-insert \""

What does ~ signify here?

Andrew

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Stephan Witt]

Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe <apars...@clear.net.nz>:

> On 15/01/2013 1:03 a.m., Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
>> Andrew Parsloe wrote:
>>> I notice when I press the double-quote key in a LyX-Code environment
>>> that LyX displays slanted double quotes, nor does there seem to be any
>>> shortcut specified to produce straight double quotes.
>> 
>> Straight quotes are bound to Shift+" in the standard setting (cua).
>> 
>> Jürgen
>> 
> I use the cua bindings (& Windows Vista). On my present keyboard, & I think 
> previous ones, the single & double quotes use the same key, " being Shift+', 
> but LyX interprets this as smart double quotes. The single quote is not 
> interpreted as a smart quote: Alt+Shift+' gives a smart single quote.
> 
> I see in cua.bind:
> 
> \bind "~S-M-quotedbl" "quote-insert single"
> \bind "~S-C-quotedbl" "self-insert \""
> 
> What does ~ signify here?

It's the not operator. In your case "not shift".

Stephan

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Liviu Andronic]

On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Stephan Witt  wrote:
> Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe :
>> What does ~ signify here?
>
> It's the not operator. In your case "not shift".
>
I'm curious: What does this imply in terms of physical keyboard? That
is, what should one press to get 'not shift'?

Liviu

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Stephan Witt]

Am 15.01.2013 um 08:06 schrieb Liviu Andronic :

> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Stephan Witt  wrote:
>> Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe :
>>> What does ~ signify here?
>> 
>> It's the not operator. In your case "not shift".
>> 
> I'm curious: What does this imply in terms of physical keyboard? That
> is, what should one press to get 'not shift'?

"~S-C-quotedbl" is "the key which translates to quotedbl plus control but 
without shift".

If you don't have a keyboard with quotedbl without shift this binding does not 
match.
IMHO, one has to change that e.g. for a german keyboard to "~S-C-2".

See the debug messages I get when trying to input Control-"

1. Pure "
frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp (1068):  count: 1 text:  isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 
16777248 keyState: Shift-
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (623): Getting key 16777248, with text ''
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (629): Setting key to 16777248, 
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1881): KeySym is Shift_L
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (652): isModifier is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp (1068):  count: 1 text: " isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 34 
keyState: Shift-
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (623): Getting key 34, with text '"'
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (629): Setting key to 34, "
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1881): KeySym is quotedbl
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (652): isModifier is 0
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1904): action first set to []
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1912): action now set to []
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1923):  Key [action=][Shift-"]
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1936): Trying without shift
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1938): Action now 

2. Now Control-"
frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp (1068):  count: 1 text:  isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 
16777249 keyState: Control-
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (623): Getting key 16777249, with text ''
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (629): Setting key to 16777249, 
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1881): KeySym is Control_L
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (652): isModifier is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp (1068):  count: 1 text:  isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 
16777248 keyState: Shift-Control-
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (623): Getting key 16777248, with text ''
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (629): Setting key to 16777248, 
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1881): KeySym is Shift_L
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (652): isModifier is 1
08:41:03.874: Befehl ist deaktiviertfrontends/qt4/GuiWorkArea.cpp (1068):  
count: 1 text:  isAutoRepeat: 0 key: 50 keyState: Shift-Control-
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (618): keyevent has isNull() text !
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1881): KeySym is 2
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (644): isOK is 1
frontends/qt4/GuiKeySymbol.cpp (652): isModifier is 0
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1904): action first set to []
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1912): action now set to []
frontends/qt4/GuiApplication.cpp (1923):  Key [action=][Shift-Befehl-2]

Stephan

Re: Double quotes in LyX-Code

[Stephan Witt]

Am 15.01.2013 um 08:46 schrieb Stephan Witt :

> Am 15.01.2013 um 08:06 schrieb Liviu Andronic :
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Stephan Witt  wrote:
>>> Am 14.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Andrew Parsloe :
 What does ~ signify here?
>>> 
>>> It's the not operator. In your case "not shift".
>>> 
>> I'm curious: What does this imply in terms of physical keyboard? That
>> is, what should one press to get 'not shift'?
> 
> "~S-C-quotedbl" is "the key which translates to quotedbl plus control but 
> without shift".
> 
> If you don't have a keyboard with quotedbl without shift this binding does 
> not match.
> IMHO, one has to change that e.g. for a german keyboard to "~S-C-2".

Sorry, obviously I should have written "S-C-2"

Stephan

Re: Lyx code env.

[Richard Heck]

On 01/14/2011 05:48 PM, S Nedunuri wrote:

Does anyone know how to adjust the left margin in the Lyx Code environment?
I create an Algorithm float, and as soon as I set the env. of the contents
to Lyx Code, the contents get shifted in. I have very little column space as
it is, and I don't need a gratuitous indentation!


LyX automatically defines it for you, as:

\newenvironment{lyxcode}

{\par\begin{list}{}{

\setlength{\rightmargin}{\leftmargin}

\setlength{\listparindent}{0pt}% needed for AMS classes

\raggedright

\setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}

\setlength{\parsep}{0pt}

\normalfont\ttfamily}%

\item[]}

{\end{list}}


So you will need to redefine this environment in your preamble. It may 
be enough to do this:


\renewenvironment{lyxcode}

{\par\begin{list}{}{

\setlength{\leftmargin}{0pt}

\setlength{\listparindent}{0pt}% needed for AMS classes

\raggedright

\setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}

\setlength{\parsep}{0pt}

\normalfont\ttfamily}%

\item[]}

{\end{list}}


Untested.

Richard

Re: Lyx code env.

[S Nedunuri]

Thanks! that did the trick
  Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote in message 
news:4d319fec.30...@comcast.net...
  On 01/14/2011 05:48 PM, S Nedunuri wrote: 
Does anyone know how to adjust the left margin in the Lyx Code environment? 
I create an Algorithm float, and as soon as I set the env. of the contents 
to Lyx Code, the contents get shifted in. I have very little column space as 
it is, and I don't need a gratuitous indentation!

LyX automatically defines it for you, as:


  \newenvironment{lyxcode}

  {\par\begin{list}{}{

  \setlength{\rightmargin}{\leftmargin}

  \setlength{\listparindent}{0pt}% needed for AMS classes

  \raggedright

  \setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}

  \setlength{\parsep}{0pt}

  \normalfont\ttfamily}%

  \item[]}

  {\end{list}}



  So you will need to redefine this environment in your preamble. It may be 
enough to do this:


  \renewenvironment{lyxcode}

  {\par\begin{list}{}{

  \setlength{\leftmargin}{0pt}

  \setlength{\listparindent}{0pt}% needed for AMS classes

  \raggedright

  \setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}

  \setlength{\parsep}{0pt}

  \normalfont\ttfamily}%

  \item[]}

  {\end{list}}


  Untested.

  Richard

Re: Lyx code env.

[Richard Heck]

On 01/14/2011 05:48 PM, S Nedunuri wrote:

Does anyone know how to adjust the left margin in the Lyx Code environment?
I create an Algorithm float, and as soon as I set the env. of the contents
to Lyx Code, the contents get shifted in. I have very little column space as
it is, and I don't need a gratuitous indentation!


LyX automatically defines it for you, as:

\newenvironment{lyxcode}

{\par\begin{list}{}{

\setlength{\rightmargin}{\leftmargin}

\setlength{\listparindent}{0pt}% needed for AMS classes

\raggedright

\setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}

\setlength{\parsep}{0pt}

\normalfont\ttfamily}%

\item[]}

{\end{list}}


So you will need to redefine this environment in your preamble. It may 
be enough to do this:


\renewenvironment{lyxcode}

{\par\begin{list}{}{

\setlength{\leftmargin}{0pt}

\setlength{\listparindent}{0pt}% needed for AMS classes

\raggedright

\setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}

\setlength{\parsep}{0pt}

\normalfont\ttfamily}%

\item[]}

{\end{list}}


Untested.

Richard

Re: Lyx code env.

[S Nedunuri]

Thanks! that did the trick
  Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote in message 
news:4d319fec.30...@comcast.net...
  On 01/14/2011 05:48 PM, S Nedunuri wrote: 
Does anyone know how to adjust the left margin in the Lyx Code environment? 
I create an Algorithm float, and as soon as I set the env. of the contents 
to Lyx Code, the contents get shifted in. I have very little column space as 
it is, and I don't need a gratuitous indentation!

LyX automatically defines it for you, as:


  \newenvironment{lyxcode}

  {\par\begin{list}{}{

  \setlength{\rightmargin}{\leftmargin}

  \setlength{\listparindent}{0pt}% needed for AMS classes

  \raggedright

  \setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}

  \setlength{\parsep}{0pt}

  \normalfont\ttfamily}%

  \item[]}

  {\end{list}}



  So you will need to redefine this environment in your preamble. It may be 
enough to do this:


  \renewenvironment{lyxcode}

  {\par\begin{list}{}{

  \setlength{\leftmargin}{0pt}

  \setlength{\listparindent}{0pt}% needed for AMS classes

  \raggedright

  \setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}

  \setlength{\parsep}{0pt}

  \normalfont\ttfamily}%

  \item[]}

  {\end{list}}


  Untested.

  Richard

Re: Lyx code env.

[Richard Heck]

On 01/14/2011 05:48 PM, S Nedunuri wrote:

Does anyone know how to adjust the left margin in the Lyx Code environment?
I create an Algorithm float, and as soon as I set the env. of the contents
to Lyx Code, the contents get shifted in. I have very little column space as
it is, and I don't need a gratuitous indentation!


LyX automatically defines it for you, as:

\newenvironment{lyxcode}

{\par\begin{list}{}{

\setlength{\rightmargin}{\leftmargin}

\setlength{\listparindent}{0pt}% needed for AMS classes

\raggedright

\setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}

\setlength{\parsep}{0pt}

\normalfont\ttfamily}%

\item[]}

{\end{list}}


So you will need to redefine this environment in your preamble. It may 
be enough to do this:


\renewenvironment{lyxcode}

{\par\begin{list}{}{

\setlength{\leftmargin}{0pt}

\setlength{\listparindent}{0pt}% needed for AMS classes

\raggedright

\setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}

\setlength{\parsep}{0pt}

\normalfont\ttfamily}%

\item[]}

{\end{list}}


Untested.

Richard

Re: Lyx code env.

[S Nedunuri]

Thanks! that did the trick
  "Richard Heck" <rgh...@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:4d319fec.30...@comcast.net...
  On 01/14/2011 05:48 PM, S Nedunuri wrote: 
Does anyone know how to adjust the left margin in the Lyx Code environment? 
I create an Algorithm float, and as soon as I set the env. of the contents 
to Lyx Code, the contents get shifted in. I have very little column space as 
it is, and I don't need a gratuitous indentation!

LyX automatically defines it for you, as:


  \newenvironment{lyxcode}

  {\par\begin{list}{}{

  \setlength{\rightmargin}{\leftmargin}

  \setlength{\listparindent}{0pt}% needed for AMS classes

  \raggedright

  \setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}

  \setlength{\parsep}{0pt}

  \normalfont\ttfamily}%

  \item[]}

  {\end{list}}



  So you will need to redefine this environment in your preamble. It may be 
enough to do this:


  \renewenvironment{lyxcode}

  {\par\begin{list}{}{

  \setlength{\leftmargin}{0pt}

  \setlength{\listparindent}{0pt}% needed for AMS classes

  \raggedright

  \setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}

  \setlength{\parsep}{0pt}

  \normalfont\ttfamily}%

  \item[]}

  {\end{list}}


  Untested.

  Richard

Lyx code env.

[S Nedunuri]

Does anyone know how to adjust the left margin in the Lyx Code environment? 
I create an Algorithm float, and as soon as I set the env. of the contents 
to Lyx Code, the contents get shifted in. I have very little column space as 
it is, and I don't need a gratuitous indentation!

thanks 

Lyx code env.

[S Nedunuri]

Does anyone know how to adjust the left margin in the Lyx Code environment? 
I create an Algorithm float, and as soon as I set the env. of the contents 
to Lyx Code, the contents get shifted in. I have very little column space as 
it is, and I don't need a gratuitous indentation!

thanks 

Lyx code env.

[S Nedunuri]

Does anyone know how to adjust the left margin in the Lyx Code environment? 
I create an Algorithm float, and as soon as I set the env. of the contents 
to Lyx Code, the contents get shifted in. I have very little column space as 
it is, and I don't need a gratuitous indentation!

thanks 

Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[pierrickuk]

Hi there, 

I am posting this as 2 hours of searching got me nowhere so far.
I am writing some instructions manual to set up some software my company is
distributing.
For this I need to put some linux console commands for which I use the
LyX-code format. Everything is fine unless the line is too long and then get
wrapped. As some of our customer might not know much about linux, I am
afraid they might hit return at the end of the line.
So I am looking for a way to automatically indicate that the line is wrapped
to fit on a page (preferably by some special symbol not used in a
terminal/console).

Maybe there is some LaTeX package that would work, or some trick I am not
aware of... Or maybe I'm looking in the wrong direction here.

I'll keep on searching and post anything interesting here.

Thanks!


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Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Richard Heck]

On 07/10/2010 07:20 AM, pierrickuk wrote:

Hi there,

I am posting this as 2 hours of searching got me nowhere so far.
I am writing some instructions manual to set up some software my company is
distributing.
For this I need to put some linux console commands for which I use the
LyX-code format. Everything is fine unless the line is too long and then get
wrapped. As some of our customer might not know much about linux, I am
afraid they might hit return at the end of the line.
So I am looking for a way to automatically indicate that the line is wrapped
to fit on a page (preferably by some special symbol not used in a
terminal/console).

   
There's no easy way to indicate wrapped lines automatically, so far as I 
know. You could do it manually, using ⏎, which you can insert using 
unicode-insert 0x23ce in the minibuffer.


Richard

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Paul A. Rubin]

Was this an accidental repost?  The same message was posted a few days 
ago (http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general/64608) and drew 
several responses, including my suggestion about the listings package.


/Paul

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[pierrickuk]

Hi all, 
I had some problems joining the mailing list, so following Nabble's
instructions, I re-posted again.

Meanwhile, some people provided some nice suggestions and solutions there:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general/64608

Have a look.

I myself will try on Monday

Thanks all
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Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[pierrickuk]

Hi there, 

I am posting this as 2 hours of searching got me nowhere so far.
I am writing some instructions manual to set up some software my company is
distributing.
For this I need to put some linux console commands for which I use the
LyX-code format. Everything is fine unless the line is too long and then get
wrapped. As some of our customer might not know much about linux, I am
afraid they might hit return at the end of the line.
So I am looking for a way to automatically indicate that the line is wrapped
to fit on a page (preferably by some special symbol not used in a
terminal/console).

Maybe there is some LaTeX package that would work, or some trick I am not
aware of... Or maybe I'm looking in the wrong direction here.

I'll keep on searching and post anything interesting here.

Thanks!


Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code
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Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Richard Heck]

On 07/10/2010 07:20 AM, pierrickuk wrote:

Hi there,

I am posting this as 2 hours of searching got me nowhere so far.
I am writing some instructions manual to set up some software my company is
distributing.
For this I need to put some linux console commands for which I use the
LyX-code format. Everything is fine unless the line is too long and then get
wrapped. As some of our customer might not know much about linux, I am
afraid they might hit return at the end of the line.
So I am looking for a way to automatically indicate that the line is wrapped
to fit on a page (preferably by some special symbol not used in a
terminal/console).

   
There's no easy way to indicate wrapped lines automatically, so far as I 
know. You could do it manually, using ⏎, which you can insert using 
unicode-insert 0x23ce in the minibuffer.


Richard

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Paul A. Rubin]

Was this an accidental repost?  The same message was posted a few days 
ago (http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general/64608) and drew 
several responses, including my suggestion about the listings package.


/Paul

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[pierrickuk]

Hi all, 
I had some problems joining the mailing list, so following Nabble's
instructions, I re-posted again.

Meanwhile, some people provided some nice suggestions and solutions there:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general/64608

Have a look.

I myself will try on Monday

Thanks all
-- 
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Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[pierrickuk]

Hi there, 

I am posting this as 2 hours of searching got me nowhere so far.
I am writing some instructions manual to set up some software my company is
distributing.
For this I need to put some linux console commands for which I use the
LyX-code format. Everything is fine unless the line is too long and then get
wrapped. As some of our customer might not know much about linux, I am
afraid they might hit return at the end of the line.
So I am looking for a way to automatically indicate that the line is wrapped
to fit on a page (preferably by some special symbol not used in a
terminal/console).

Maybe there is some LaTeX package that would work, or some trick I am not
aware of... Or maybe I'm looking in the wrong direction here.

I'll keep on searching and post anything interesting here.

Thanks!


Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code
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Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Richard Heck]

On 07/10/2010 07:20 AM, pierrickuk wrote:

Hi there,

I am posting this as 2 hours of searching got me nowhere so far.
I am writing some instructions manual to set up some software my company is
distributing.
For this I need to put some linux console commands for which I use the
LyX-code format. Everything is fine unless the line is too long and then get
wrapped. As some of our customer might not know much about linux, I am
afraid they might hit return at the end of the line.
So I am looking for a way to automatically indicate that the line is wrapped
to fit on a page (preferably by some special symbol not used in a
terminal/console).

   
There's no easy way to indicate wrapped lines automatically, so far as I 
know. You could do it manually, using ⏎, which you can insert using 
"unicode-insert 0x23ce" in the minibuffer.


Richard

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Paul A. Rubin]

Was this an accidental repost?  The same message was posted a few days 
ago (http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general/64608) and drew 
several responses, including my suggestion about the listings package.


/Paul

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[pierrickuk]

Hi all, 
I had some problems joining the mailing list, so following Nabble's
instructions, I re-posted again.

Meanwhile, some people provided some nice suggestions and solutions there:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general/64608

Have a look.

I myself will try on Monday

Thanks all
-- 
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http://lyx.475766.n2.nabble.com/Symbol-for-wrapped-lines-in-LyX-Code-tp5277467p5277989.html
Sent from the LyX - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Manveru]

2010/7/6 pierrickuk luluflake2000-nab...@yahoo.fr:

 Hi there,

 I am posting this as 2 hours of searching got me nowhere so far.
 I am writing some instructions manual to set up some software my company is
 distributing.
 For this I need to put some linux console commands for which I use the
 LyX-code format. Everything is fine unless the line is too long and then get
 wrapped. As some of our customer might not know much about linux, I am
 afraid they might hit return at the end of the line.
 So I am looking for a way to automatically indicate that the line is wrapped
 to fit on a page (preferably by some special symbol not used in a
 terminal/console).

 Maybe there is some LaTeX package that would work, or some trick I am not
 aware of... Or maybe I'm looking in the wrong direction here.

I met opposite practice to mark places when user has to hit enter with
a graphical mark of typewriter's carriage return (↵) and proper
comment about meaning of this sign in the book content. It could be
grey to avoid confusion it is a part of text to enter. I saw a book
where it was even a small photography (or rendering) of enter key.

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
 gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 7/6/2010 5:38 AM, pierrickuk wrote:


Hi there,

I am posting this as 2 hours of searching got me nowhere so far.
I am writing some instructions manual to set up some software my company is
distributing.
For this I need to put some linux console commands for which I use the
LyX-code format. Everything is fine unless the line is too long and then get
wrapped. As some of our customer might not know much about linux, I am
afraid they might hit return at the end of the line.
So I am looking for a way to automatically indicate that the line is wrapped
to fit on a page (preferably by some special symbol not used in a
terminal/console).

Maybe there is some LaTeX package that would work, or some trick I am not
aware of... Or maybe I'm looking in the wrong direction here.



Step 1:  Pick the glyph you want to use to indicate line wrapping.  The 
Comprehensive LATEX Symbol List may help here.  If necessary, install 
whatever font package it comes in, and add a \usepackage{...} to your 
preamble.  Avoid symbols that occur only in math mode (which, sadly, 
accounts for most arrows); if there's a way to make them work, I haven't 
found it yet.


Step 2: Rather than using LyX-code, use Insert  Program Listing, which 
creates an inset using the listings package.  Right-click the inset, 
click Settings ..., and on the Main Settings tab check Break long 
lines.  You can leave the language setting at No language unless you 
think what you're writing matches one of the languages on the list 
fairly well.


Step 3: Go to the advanced tab and, in the right pane, type 
'prebreak=whatever', without the quotes and replacing whatever with the 
symbol you want.  For instance,


prebreak=\textbackslash

will put '\' wherever wrapping occurs.

That should do it.

/Paul

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér]

That is actually very good. 
Is anybody putting together a Tricks with LyX guide? Because this should
be in there...

Yours,
Morten

On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 10:21:07 -0400, Paul A. Rubin ru...@msu.edu wrote:
 On 7/6/2010 5:38 AM, pierrickuk wrote:

 Hi there,

 I am posting this as 2 hours of searching got me nowhere so far.
 I am writing some instructions manual to set up some software my
company
 is
 distributing.
 For this I need to put some linux console commands for which I use the
 LyX-code format. Everything is fine unless the line is too long and
then
 get
 wrapped. As some of our customer might not know much about linux, I am
 afraid they might hit return at the end of the line.
 So I am looking for a way to automatically indicate that the line is
 wrapped
 to fit on a page (preferably by some special symbol not used in a
 terminal/console).

 Maybe there is some LaTeX package that would work, or some trick I am
not
 aware of... Or maybe I'm looking in the wrong direction here.

 
 Step 1:  Pick the glyph you want to use to indicate line wrapping.  The

 Comprehensive LATEX Symbol List may help here.  If necessary, install 
 whatever font package it comes in, and add a \usepackage{...} to your 
 preamble.  Avoid symbols that occur only in math mode (which, sadly, 
 accounts for most arrows); if there's a way to make them work, I haven't

 found it yet.
 
 Step 2: Rather than using LyX-code, use Insert  Program Listing, which 
 creates an inset using the listings package.  Right-click the inset, 
 click Settings ..., and on the Main Settings tab check Break long 
 lines.  You can leave the language setting at No language unless you 
 think what you're writing matches one of the languages on the list 
 fairly well.
 
 Step 3: Go to the advanced tab and, in the right pane, type 
 'prebreak=whatever', without the quotes and replacing whatever with the 
 symbol you want.  For instance,
 
 prebreak=\textbackslash
 
 will put '\' wherever wrapping occurs.
 
 That should do it.
 
 /Paul

-- 
__
Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér
http://syntaktisk.dk * mj...@syntaktisk.dk

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Paul Rubin]

Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér morten at writtenandread.net writes:

 
 That is actually very good. 
 Is anybody putting together a Tricks with LyX guide? Because this should
 be in there...
 

Thanks.  Tips and tricks abound on the wiki (http://wiki.lyx.org), but I just
had a look there and did not see any tips regarding the listings package.  The
organization of the wiki is a bit, well, wiki-ish.  If anyone wants to start a
page and post this tip, feel free.

/Paul

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér
mor...@writtenandread.net wrote:
 That is actually very good.
 Is anybody putting together a Tricks with LyX guide? Because this should
 be in there...

You could always add this to the wiki. Regards
Liviu

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Manveru]

2010/7/6 pierrickuk luluflake2000-nab...@yahoo.fr:

 Hi there,

 I am posting this as 2 hours of searching got me nowhere so far.
 I am writing some instructions manual to set up some software my company is
 distributing.
 For this I need to put some linux console commands for which I use the
 LyX-code format. Everything is fine unless the line is too long and then get
 wrapped. As some of our customer might not know much about linux, I am
 afraid they might hit return at the end of the line.
 So I am looking for a way to automatically indicate that the line is wrapped
 to fit on a page (preferably by some special symbol not used in a
 terminal/console).

 Maybe there is some LaTeX package that would work, or some trick I am not
 aware of... Or maybe I'm looking in the wrong direction here.

I met opposite practice to mark places when user has to hit enter with
a graphical mark of typewriter's carriage return (↵) and proper
comment about meaning of this sign in the book content. It could be
grey to avoid confusion it is a part of text to enter. I saw a book
where it was even a small photography (or rendering) of enter key.

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
 gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 7/6/2010 5:38 AM, pierrickuk wrote:


Hi there,

I am posting this as 2 hours of searching got me nowhere so far.
I am writing some instructions manual to set up some software my company is
distributing.
For this I need to put some linux console commands for which I use the
LyX-code format. Everything is fine unless the line is too long and then get
wrapped. As some of our customer might not know much about linux, I am
afraid they might hit return at the end of the line.
So I am looking for a way to automatically indicate that the line is wrapped
to fit on a page (preferably by some special symbol not used in a
terminal/console).

Maybe there is some LaTeX package that would work, or some trick I am not
aware of... Or maybe I'm looking in the wrong direction here.



Step 1:  Pick the glyph you want to use to indicate line wrapping.  The 
Comprehensive LATEX Symbol List may help here.  If necessary, install 
whatever font package it comes in, and add a \usepackage{...} to your 
preamble.  Avoid symbols that occur only in math mode (which, sadly, 
accounts for most arrows); if there's a way to make them work, I haven't 
found it yet.


Step 2: Rather than using LyX-code, use Insert  Program Listing, which 
creates an inset using the listings package.  Right-click the inset, 
click Settings ..., and on the Main Settings tab check Break long 
lines.  You can leave the language setting at No language unless you 
think what you're writing matches one of the languages on the list 
fairly well.


Step 3: Go to the advanced tab and, in the right pane, type 
'prebreak=whatever', without the quotes and replacing whatever with the 
symbol you want.  For instance,


prebreak=\textbackslash

will put '\' wherever wrapping occurs.

That should do it.

/Paul

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér]

That is actually very good. 
Is anybody putting together a Tricks with LyX guide? Because this should
be in there...

Yours,
Morten

On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 10:21:07 -0400, Paul A. Rubin ru...@msu.edu wrote:
 On 7/6/2010 5:38 AM, pierrickuk wrote:

 Hi there,

 I am posting this as 2 hours of searching got me nowhere so far.
 I am writing some instructions manual to set up some software my
company
 is
 distributing.
 For this I need to put some linux console commands for which I use the
 LyX-code format. Everything is fine unless the line is too long and
then
 get
 wrapped. As some of our customer might not know much about linux, I am
 afraid they might hit return at the end of the line.
 So I am looking for a way to automatically indicate that the line is
 wrapped
 to fit on a page (preferably by some special symbol not used in a
 terminal/console).

 Maybe there is some LaTeX package that would work, or some trick I am
not
 aware of... Or maybe I'm looking in the wrong direction here.

 
 Step 1:  Pick the glyph you want to use to indicate line wrapping.  The

 Comprehensive LATEX Symbol List may help here.  If necessary, install 
 whatever font package it comes in, and add a \usepackage{...} to your 
 preamble.  Avoid symbols that occur only in math mode (which, sadly, 
 accounts for most arrows); if there's a way to make them work, I haven't

 found it yet.
 
 Step 2: Rather than using LyX-code, use Insert  Program Listing, which 
 creates an inset using the listings package.  Right-click the inset, 
 click Settings ..., and on the Main Settings tab check Break long 
 lines.  You can leave the language setting at No language unless you 
 think what you're writing matches one of the languages on the list 
 fairly well.
 
 Step 3: Go to the advanced tab and, in the right pane, type 
 'prebreak=whatever', without the quotes and replacing whatever with the 
 symbol you want.  For instance,
 
 prebreak=\textbackslash
 
 will put '\' wherever wrapping occurs.
 
 That should do it.
 
 /Paul

-- 
__
Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér
http://syntaktisk.dk * mj...@syntaktisk.dk

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Paul Rubin]

Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér morten at writtenandread.net writes:

 
 That is actually very good. 
 Is anybody putting together a Tricks with LyX guide? Because this should
 be in there...
 

Thanks.  Tips and tricks abound on the wiki (http://wiki.lyx.org), but I just
had a look there and did not see any tips regarding the listings package.  The
organization of the wiki is a bit, well, wiki-ish.  If anyone wants to start a
page and post this tip, feel free.

/Paul

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér
mor...@writtenandread.net wrote:
 That is actually very good.
 Is anybody putting together a Tricks with LyX guide? Because this should
 be in there...

You could always add this to the wiki. Regards
Liviu

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Manveru]

2010/7/6 pierrickuk <luluflake2000-nab...@yahoo.fr>:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I am posting this as 2 hours of searching got me nowhere so far.
> I am writing some instructions manual to set up some software my company is
> distributing.
> For this I need to put some linux console commands for which I use the
> LyX-code format. Everything is fine unless the line is too long and then get
> wrapped. As some of our customer might not know much about linux, I am
> afraid they might hit return at the end of the line.
> So I am looking for a way to automatically indicate that the line is wrapped
> to fit on a page (preferably by some special symbol not used in a
> terminal/console).
>
> Maybe there is some LaTeX package that would work, or some trick I am not
> aware of... Or maybe I'm looking in the wrong direction here.

I met opposite practice to mark places when user has to hit enter with
a graphical mark of typewriter's carriage return ("↵") and proper
comment about meaning of this sign in the book content. It could be
grey to avoid confusion it is a part of text to enter. I saw a book
where it was even a small photography (or rendering) of enter key.

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
 gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 7/6/2010 5:38 AM, pierrickuk wrote:


Hi there,

I am posting this as 2 hours of searching got me nowhere so far.
I am writing some instructions manual to set up some software my company is
distributing.
For this I need to put some linux console commands for which I use the
LyX-code format. Everything is fine unless the line is too long and then get
wrapped. As some of our customer might not know much about linux, I am
afraid they might hit return at the end of the line.
So I am looking for a way to automatically indicate that the line is wrapped
to fit on a page (preferably by some special symbol not used in a
terminal/console).

Maybe there is some LaTeX package that would work, or some trick I am not
aware of... Or maybe I'm looking in the wrong direction here.



Step 1:  Pick the glyph you want to use to indicate line wrapping.  "The 
Comprehensive LATEX Symbol List" may help here.  If necessary, install 
whatever font package it comes in, and add a \usepackage{...} to your 
preamble.  Avoid symbols that occur only in math mode (which, sadly, 
accounts for most arrows); if there's a way to make them work, I haven't 
found it yet.


Step 2: Rather than using LyX-code, use Insert > Program Listing, which 
creates an inset using the listings package.  Right-click the inset, 
click Settings ..., and on the Main Settings tab check "Break long 
lines".  You can leave the language setting at "No language" unless you 
think what you're writing matches one of the languages on the list 
fairly well.


Step 3: Go to the advanced tab and, in the right pane, type 
'prebreak=whatever', without the quotes and replacing whatever with the 
symbol you want.  For instance,


prebreak=\textbackslash

will put '\' wherever wrapping occurs.

That should do it.

/Paul

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér]

That is actually very good. 
Is anybody putting together a Tricks with LyX guide? Because this should
be in there...

Yours,
Morten

On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 10:21:07 -0400, "Paul A. Rubin" <ru...@msu.edu> wrote:
> On 7/6/2010 5:38 AM, pierrickuk wrote:
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I am posting this as 2 hours of searching got me nowhere so far.
>> I am writing some instructions manual to set up some software my
company
>> is
>> distributing.
>> For this I need to put some linux console commands for which I use the
>> LyX-code format. Everything is fine unless the line is too long and
then
>> get
>> wrapped. As some of our customer might not know much about linux, I am
>> afraid they might hit return at the end of the line.
>> So I am looking for a way to automatically indicate that the line is
>> wrapped
>> to fit on a page (preferably by some special symbol not used in a
>> terminal/console).
>>
>> Maybe there is some LaTeX package that would work, or some trick I am
not
>> aware of... Or maybe I'm looking in the wrong direction here.
>>
> 
> Step 1:  Pick the glyph you want to use to indicate line wrapping.  "The

> Comprehensive LATEX Symbol List" may help here.  If necessary, install 
> whatever font package it comes in, and add a \usepackage{...} to your 
> preamble.  Avoid symbols that occur only in math mode (which, sadly, 
> accounts for most arrows); if there's a way to make them work, I haven't

> found it yet.
> 
> Step 2: Rather than using LyX-code, use Insert > Program Listing, which 
> creates an inset using the listings package.  Right-click the inset, 
> click Settings ..., and on the Main Settings tab check "Break long 
> lines".  You can leave the language setting at "No language" unless you 
> think what you're writing matches one of the languages on the list 
> fairly well.
> 
> Step 3: Go to the advanced tab and, in the right pane, type 
> 'prebreak=whatever', without the quotes and replacing whatever with the 
> symbol you want.  For instance,
> 
> prebreak=\textbackslash
> 
> will put '\' wherever wrapping occurs.
> 
> That should do it.
> 
> /Paul

-- 
__
Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér
http://syntaktisk.dk * mj...@syntaktisk.dk

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Paul Rubin]

Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér  writtenandread.net> writes:

> 
> That is actually very good. 
> Is anybody putting together a Tricks with LyX guide? Because this should
> be in there...
> 

Thanks.  Tips and tricks abound on the wiki (http://wiki.lyx.org), but I just
had a look there and did not see any tips regarding the listings package.  The
organization of the wiki is a bit, well, wiki-ish.  If anyone wants to start a
page and post this tip, feel free.

/Paul

Re: Symbol for wrapped lines in LyX-Code

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér
 wrote:
> That is actually very good.
> Is anybody putting together a Tricks with LyX guide? Because this should
> be in there...
>
You could always add this to the wiki. Regards
Liviu

Re: in Lyx-Code quote, double quote, and back-tic not as expected.

[Paul Rubin]

Try the following:

1. In the preamble, \usepackage{textcomp}.

2. Rather than LyX-Code, Insert  Program Listing and paste the code in there.

3. Right click anywhere in the listing, pick Settings..., go the Advanced tab,
and insert columns=fullflexible and upquote=true.  The former gets rid of
kerning and the latter gets you the backtick character.  (The vertical quote
seems to take care of itself.)

/Paul

Re: Re: in Lyx-Code quote, double quote, and back-tic not as expected.

[Todd Denniston]

Paul Rubin wrote, On Fri, 28 May 2010 15:35:16 + (UTC):
 Try the following:
 
 1. In the preamble, \usepackage{textcomp}.
 
 2. Rather than LyX-Code, Insert  Program Listing and paste the code in there.
 
 3. Right click anywhere in the listing, pick Settings..., go the Advanced tab,
 and insert columns=fullflexible and upquote=true.  The former gets rid of
 kerning and the latter gets you the backtick character.  (The vertical quote
 seems to take care of itself.)
 
 /Paul
 
 

Thanks, I'll give those a try as soon as I get back to _that_ document.

-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane)
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

Re: in Lyx-Code quote, double quote, and back-tic not as expected.

[Paul Rubin]

Try the following:

1. In the preamble, \usepackage{textcomp}.

2. Rather than LyX-Code, Insert  Program Listing and paste the code in there.

3. Right click anywhere in the listing, pick Settings..., go the Advanced tab,
and insert columns=fullflexible and upquote=true.  The former gets rid of
kerning and the latter gets you the backtick character.  (The vertical quote
seems to take care of itself.)

/Paul

Re: Re: in Lyx-Code quote, double quote, and back-tic not as expected.

[Todd Denniston]

Paul Rubin wrote, On Fri, 28 May 2010 15:35:16 + (UTC):
 Try the following:
 
 1. In the preamble, \usepackage{textcomp}.
 
 2. Rather than LyX-Code, Insert  Program Listing and paste the code in there.
 
 3. Right click anywhere in the listing, pick Settings..., go the Advanced tab,
 and insert columns=fullflexible and upquote=true.  The former gets rid of
 kerning and the latter gets you the backtick character.  (The vertical quote
 seems to take care of itself.)
 
 /Paul
 
 

Thanks, I'll give those a try as soon as I get back to _that_ document.

-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane)
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

Re: in Lyx-Code quote, double quote, and back-tic not as expected.

[Paul Rubin]

Try the following:

1. In the preamble, \usepackage{textcomp}.

2. Rather than LyX-Code, Insert > Program Listing and paste the code in there.

3. Right click anywhere in the listing, pick Settings..., go the Advanced tab,
and insert columns=fullflexible and upquote=true.  The former gets rid of
kerning and the latter gets you the backtick character.  (The vertical quote
seems to take care of itself.)

/Paul

Re: Re: in Lyx-Code quote, double quote, and back-tic not as expected.

[Todd Denniston]

Paul Rubin wrote, On Fri, 28 May 2010 15:35:16 + (UTC):
> Try the following:
> 
> 1. In the preamble, \usepackage{textcomp}.
> 
> 2. Rather than LyX-Code, Insert > Program Listing and paste the code in there.
> 
> 3. Right click anywhere in the listing, pick Settings..., go the Advanced tab,
> and insert columns=fullflexible and upquote=true.  The former gets rid of
> kerning and the latter gets you the backtick character.  (The vertical quote
> seems to take care of itself.)
> 
> /Paul
> 
> 

Thanks, I'll give those a try as soon as I get back to _that_ document.

-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane)
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

in Lyx-Code quote, double quote, and back-tic not as expected.

[Todd Denniston]

Version LyX 1.6.5 (from EPEL repository) on CentOS 5.5


Issue 1:
Am I really expecting the wrong behavior here?

Open a new LyX document (and for complete disclosure set the fonts to Palatino, 
Helvetica, Courier)
type Test and set it to type Section  ##not strictly necessary but this is 
the way I did it.
Set the type of text to LyX-Code
##paste in:
for i in `seq 1 10|awk '{print $1}'`; \
do \
  echo Counter $i; \
done

## click the view pdf button
in the PDF select the whole for loop (for to done) and paste it into a terminal.
find out that
s are ?Smart? double quotes.
's are ?Smart? quotes.
` are I have no idea.
i is i`, I assume this is due to a ligature(is that the correct word?).


As annoying as that is, I did find in the interface that I am allowed to type:
Ctrl+ to get real ASCII double quotes.
Ctrl+' to get real ASCII quotes.
no way to get a real `.
no way to get a real i.

Does anyone know how to get real back-tics (`) and i?


When I was working under Fedora Core 4 (and before) with IIRC LyX 1.4.?? I did 
not have these issues
with any text type, i.e., it did not matter where I was in any portion of the 
PDF output I could
copy and paste and get ASCII out.  It seemed to me that
Does anyone know which of the following product line upgrades would have 
changed the behavior: LyX |
LaTeX | PDFLaTeX | tetex | evince ?

I have seen OCR'ed PDFs that have ASCII text below the picture of the document, 
is there a way to
get the LyX stack to make those kind of PDFs, i.e., have a typeset version the 
gets shown  printed,
but a text version that gets copy and pasted?


Issue 2:
It is also troubling when I export to plain text and find the above ?Smart? 
transformations have
taken place in the text output.
Is there a a way to get a true export to ASCII text?


Thanks.
-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane)
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter


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