Re: My ongoing cedilla problem
Le mercredi 17 juin 2015 à 12:16 +0200, Daniel CLEMENT a écrit : > Le mercredi 17 juin 2015 à 12:03 +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit : > > Le 17/06/2015 11:53, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit : > > > I can reproduce your problem with my oldish Ubuntu 12.04. However, the > > > same happens in all Qt applications. Therefore the bug is not ours and > > > the solution, if any, needs to be searched in qt-relqted forums IMO. > > Jean-Marc, you're absolutely right! I have very few qt-apps but I > managed to try Ipython-qtconsole (which I never use) and I indeed get an > accented c there too. I should not have blamed LyX! > > I'll search the qt-forums, but perhaps in the meantime LyX will come up > with some form of automatic correction that will turn all my " ć "into " > ç " ... > > > > You could try this (old-ish) solution, for example: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1474091 > > I doubt I can use that workaround because my DE is XFCE, and I have no > trace of im-switch or other KDE advanced tweaks :-( > > > > JMarc > Thanks for explaining where the bug comes from. Best regards, SOLVED anyhow, according to this (highly controversial) bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/518056 (post #28, quoted below for reference) -- For QT applications you need to edit this file: /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose and change every accented Cs by their corresponding Ç and ç (two times), in these lines: : "Ç" U0106 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C WITH ACUTE : "ç" U0107 # LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH ACUTE -- BR, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: My ongoing cedilla problem
Le mercredi 17 juin 2015 à 12:03 +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit : > Le 17/06/2015 11:53, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit : > > I can reproduce your problem with my oldish Ubuntu 12.04. However, the > > same happens in all Qt applications. Therefore the bug is not ours and > > the solution, if any, needs to be searched in qt-relqted forums IMO. Jean-Marc, you're absolutely right! I have very few qt-apps but I managed to try Ipython-qtconsole (which I never use) and I indeed get an accented c there too. I should not have blamed LyX! I'll search the qt-forums, but perhaps in the meantime LyX will come up with some form of automatic correction that will turn all my " ć "into " ç " ... > > You could try this (old-ish) solution, for example: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1474091 I doubt I can use that workaround because my DE is XFCE, and I have no trace of im-switch or other KDE advanced tweaks :-( > > JMarc Thanks for explaining where the bug comes from. Best regards, -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: My ongoing cedilla problem
Le 17/06/2015 11:53, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit : I can reproduce your problem with my oldish Ubuntu 12.04. However, the same happens in all Qt applications. Therefore the bug is not ours and the solution, if any, needs to be searched in qt-relqted forums IMO. You could try this (old-ish) solution, for example: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1474091 JMarc
Re: My ongoing cedilla problem
Le 17/06/2015 11:26, Daniel CLEMENT a écrit : What is your OS? It's Linux Mint Debian (essentially the same as Debian Testing). How do you obtain ç in other applications? " 'c " produces ç in every other application. (That's consistent with the system-wide keyboard setting: US Intl. with dead keys.) If you do not do anything special, it is supposed to just work IMO. I can reproduce your problem with my oldish Ubuntu 12.04. However, the same happens in all Qt applications. Therefore the bug is not ours and the solution, if any, needs to be searched in qt-relqted forums IMO. JMarc
Re: My ongoing cedilla problem
Le mercredi 17 juin 2015 à 11:01 +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit : > Le 17/06/2015 10:55, Daniel CLEMENT a écrit : > > After reconfiguring, my perso.kmap file does something indeed, but not > > what I would expect. Here is what I put in it: > > -- > > \kmod ' acute aeiouAEIOU > > \kmod ` grave aeiouAEIOU > > \kxmod acute c ç > > \kxmod acute C Ç > > -- > > but still "'c" gives me an accented "c". Moreover, I can no longer type > > the apostrophe with acute accent+space: acute accent+2 spaces gives me > > an "empty" acute accent... > > What is your OS? It's Linux Mint Debian (essentially the same as Debian Testing). > How do you obtain ç in other applications? " 'c " produces ç in every other application. (That's consistent with the system-wide keyboard setting: US Intl. with dead keys.) > > JMarc -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: My ongoing cedilla problem
Le 17/06/2015 10:55, Daniel CLEMENT a écrit : After reconfiguring, my perso.kmap file does something indeed, but not what I would expect. Here is what I put in it: -- \kmod ' acute aeiouAEIOU \kmod ` grave aeiouAEIOU \kxmod acute c ç \kxmod acute C Ç -- but still "'c" gives me an accented "c". Moreover, I can no longer type the apostrophe with acute accent+space: acute accent+2 spaces gives me an "empty" acute accent... What is your OS? How do you obtain ç in other applications? JMarc
Re: My ongoing cedilla problem
Le mercredi 17 juin 2015 à 08:23 +, Guenter Milde a écrit : > On 2015-06-17, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: > > > Oops--I thought Tools > Reconfigure was only for LaTeX packages... I > > only restarted LyX. Now "european.kmap" seems to work as it should. > > > That's not quite the way I want my keyboard to work, but I'll try and > > use this file as a template for my own "perso.kmap", not forgetting to > > reconfigure each time :-) > > > Now I'll try and play with the settings, and hopefully get this working. > > You know, that there is a GUI for key configuration under Tools>Settings? > This should work without reconfiguration. > > Günter > Do you mean Tools>Settings>Shortcuts? Well I have made a shortcut, as a workaround, for typing the cedilla "c" (Ctrl+Shift+c). But I don't know how to make a shortcut involving a dead key, namely, the acute accent. -- Daniel CLEMENT
Re: My ongoing cedilla problem
Le mercredi 17 juin 2015 à 08:13 +0200, Liviu Andronic a écrit :
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Daniel CLEMENT
> wrote:
> Le mercredi 17 juin 2015 à 10:26 +1200, aparsloe a écrit :
> >
> > [...]
> > >
> > > Should I use \kmod or \kxmod? acute or ' ? cC or c and C
> on separate
> > > lines? In fact I get the impression that my .kmap file has
> no effect,
> > > regardless of what I put into it.
> > >
> > > TIA for any input. Best regards,
> > I find ",c" (comma c, rather than apostrophe c) gives a
> cedilla "c"
> > using "european" as the primary keyboard map under
> > Tools>Preferences>Editing>Keyboard/Mouse.
> >
> > Andrew
> I tried it, though it's not designed for keyboard with dead
> keys, but
> nothing changed (",c" --> comma and "c"; "'c" --> accented
> "c"). LyX
> seems to disregard any kmap file I choose in the
> preferences...
>
>
> Do you do Tools > Reconfigure after changing kmap files?
>
>
> Liviu
>
After reconfiguring, my perso.kmap file does something indeed, but not
what I would expect. Here is what I put in it:
--
\kmod ' acute aeiouAEIOU
\kmod ` grave aeiouAEIOU
\kxmod acute c ç
\kxmod acute C Ç
--
but still "'c" gives me an accented "c". Moreover, I can no longer type
the apostrophe with acute accent+space: acute accent+2 spaces gives me
an "empty" acute accent...
--
Daniel CLEMENT
Re: My ongoing cedilla problem
On 2015-06-17, Daniel CLEMENT wrote: > Oops--I thought Tools > Reconfigure was only for LaTeX packages... I > only restarted LyX. Now "european.kmap" seems to work as it should. > That's not quite the way I want my keyboard to work, but I'll try and > use this file as a template for my own "perso.kmap", not forgetting to > reconfigure each time :-) > Now I'll try and play with the settings, and hopefully get this working. You know, that there is a GUI for key configuration under Tools>Settings? This should work without reconfiguration. Günter
Re: My ongoing cedilla problem
Le mercredi 17 juin 2015 à 08:13 +0200, Liviu Andronic a écrit :
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Daniel CLEMENT
> wrote:
> Le mercredi 17 juin 2015 à 10:26 +1200, aparsloe a écrit :
> >
> > [...]
> > >
> > > Should I use \kmod or \kxmod? acute or ' ? cC or c and C
> on separate
> > > lines? In fact I get the impression that my .kmap file has
> no effect,
> > > regardless of what I put into it.
> > >
> > > TIA for any input. Best regards,
> > I find ",c" (comma c, rather than apostrophe c) gives a
> cedilla "c"
> > using "european" as the primary keyboard map under
> > Tools>Preferences>Editing>Keyboard/Mouse.
> >
> > Andrew
> I tried it, though it's not designed for keyboard with dead
> keys, but
> nothing changed (",c" --> comma and "c"; "'c" --> accented
> "c"). LyX
> seems to disregard any kmap file I choose in the
> preferences...
>
>
> Do you do Tools > Reconfigure after changing kmap files?
>
>
> Liviu
>
Oops--I thought Tools > Reconfigure was only for LaTeX packages... I
only restarted LyX. Now "european.kmap" seems to work as it should.
That's not quite the way I want my keyboard to work, but I'll try and
use this file as a template for my own "perso.kmap", not forgetting to
reconfigure each time :-)
Now I'll try and play with the settings, and hopefully get this working.
--
Daniel CLEMENT
Re: My ongoing cedilla problem
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Daniel CLEMENT
wrote:
> Le mercredi 17 juin 2015 à 10:26 +1200, aparsloe a écrit :
> >
> > [...]
> > >
> > > Should I use \kmod or \kxmod? acute or ' ? cC or c and C on separate
> > > lines? In fact I get the impression that my .kmap file has no effect,
> > > regardless of what I put into it.
> > >
> > > TIA for any input. Best regards,
> > I find ",c" (comma c, rather than apostrophe c) gives a cedilla "c"
> > using "european" as the primary keyboard map under
> > Tools>Preferences>Editing>Keyboard/Mouse.
> >
> > Andrew
> I tried it, though it's not designed for keyboard with dead keys, but
> nothing changed (",c" --> comma and "c"; "'c" --> accented "c"). LyX
> seems to disregard any kmap file I choose in the preferences...
>
Do you do Tools > Reconfigure after changing kmap files?
Liviu
> --
> Daniel CLEMENT
>
>
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Re: My ongoing cedilla problem
Le mercredi 17 juin 2015 à 10:26 +1200, aparsloe a écrit :
>
> [...]
> >
> > Should I use \kmod or \kxmod? acute or ' ? cC or c and C on separate
> > lines? In fact I get the impression that my .kmap file has no effect,
> > regardless of what I put into it.
> >
> > TIA for any input. Best regards,
> I find ",c" (comma c, rather than apostrophe c) gives a cedilla "c"
> using "european" as the primary keyboard map under
> Tools>Preferences>Editing>Keyboard/Mouse.
>
> Andrew
I tried it, though it's not designed for keyboard with dead keys, but
nothing changed (",c" --> comma and "c"; "'c" --> accented "c"). LyX
seems to disregard any kmap file I choose in the preferences...
--
Daniel CLEMENT
Re: My ongoing cedilla problem
On 16/06/2015 11:41 p.m., Daniel CLEMENT wrote: Dear list members, There's one small issue I've never been able to get fixed (since v. 1.4 I believe). Though I write in French, I prefer to use a US-intl keyboard (for easy access to various brackets), typing accents with dead keys. Trouble is, LyX keeps translating " 'c " into an accented "c", unlike any other app (which gives a cedilla "c", the expected behavior). I carefully reviewed section 4.2 of the Customization manual, but though I understand it's about tweaking the .kmap file, I'm a little overwhelmed by the number of possibilities. Should I use \kmod or \kxmod? acute or ' ? cC or c and C on separate lines? In fact I get the impression that my .kmap file has no effect, regardless of what I put into it. TIA for any input. Best regards, I find ",c" (comma c, rather than apostrophe c) gives a cedilla "c" using "european" as the primary keyboard map under Tools>Preferences>Editing>Keyboard/Mouse. Andrew
My ongoing cedilla problem
Dear list members, There's one small issue I've never been able to get fixed (since v. 1.4 I believe). Though I write in French, I prefer to use a US-intl keyboard (for easy access to various brackets), typing accents with dead keys. Trouble is, LyX keeps translating " 'c " into an accented "c", unlike any other app (which gives a cedilla "c", the expected behavior). I carefully reviewed section 4.2 of the Customization manual, but though I understand it's about tweaking the .kmap file, I'm a little overwhelmed by the number of possibilities. Should I use \kmod or \kxmod? acute or ' ? cC or c and C on separate lines? In fact I get the impression that my .kmap file has no effect, regardless of what I put into it. TIA for any input. Best regards, -- Daniel CLEMENT
