Re: Italic textual Greek with Palatino (mathpazo)
Guenter Milde wrote: > This error is actually from the fontconfig package. The option for TeX > ligature changed recently, so maybe your fontconfig version is either > too old or too new. could you point me to this "too new" version? I have the most recent release of fontspec (v. 2.1e), and this one provides TeX ligatures. > Most probably, you don't need the TeX ligatures (at least, they should > not be needed with LyX), so leaving the offending option out is the > simples way. The ligatures are needed in order to resolve --, --- and friends. That's why it is hardcoded. Note that we changed from mapping=text-tex to Ligatures=TeX, as recommended by the fontspec doc, since the two are equivalent, but only the latter is supported by both XeTeX and LuaTeX. Jürgen
Re: Italic textual Greek with Palatino (mathpazo)
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Guenter Milde wrote: > On 2011-01-16, Liviu Andronic wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Guenter Milde >> wrote: > ... > >>> Most probably, you don't need the TeX ligatures (at least, they should >>> not be needed with LyX), so leaving the offending option out is the >>> simplest way. > ... >>> Otherwise, check the fontconfig documentation for your version. > >> I haven't intentionally set any ligature option. How could I disable it? > > I don't know. Maybe they are hard-coded (which IMO would be a bug), > maybe there is an option in the non-TeX font settings dialogue. > I couldn't find any. >>> If LyX inserts the option, export to LaTeX, fix and compile "by hand". >>> If this helps, report back so that it could be fixed in LyX. > >> I managed to export to LaTeX (xetex or luatex) and comment out the >> ligature line, > > You need the line (which selects the font), but not the option. > Remove only the part in [] including the brackets themselves. > OK, I see. >> but then I'm not sure how to compile by hand. I tried >> latex newfile3.tex >> xetex newfile3.tex >> luatex newfile3.tex > >> They all fail with multiple errors. Ideas? > > `latex` and `pdflatex` will fail (if you exported as (Xe|Lua)tex) because > of Unicode characters and the fontconfig package. > > `xetex` and `luatex` correspond to `tex` - the "plain" TeX macro set. > > You need `xelatex` or `lualatex`. If there are still errors, report > them. > ...the joy of TeX-ing. :) After removing the ligature option xelatex compiled the document fine. But when I export to LaTeX luatex and then lualatex the document I get a lot of errors. From the messages it is as if the exported .tex file was prepared for XeTeX and not for LuaTeX. Regards Liviu newfile3.lyx Description: Binary data newfile3.tex Description: TeX document newfile3.log Description: Binary data
Re: Italic textual Greek with Palatino (mathpazo)
On 2011-01-16, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Guenter Milde wrote: ... >> Most probably, you don't need the TeX ligatures (at least, they should >> not be needed with LyX), so leaving the offending option out is the >> simplest way. ... >> Otherwise, check the fontconfig documentation for your version. > I haven't intentionally set any ligature option. How could I disable it? I don't know. Maybe they are hard-coded (which IMO would be a bug), maybe there is an option in the non-TeX font settings dialogue. >> If LyX inserts the option, export to LaTeX, fix and compile "by hand". >> If this helps, report back so that it could be fixed in LyX. > I managed to export to LaTeX (xetex or luatex) and comment out the > ligature line, You need the line (which selects the font), but not the option. Remove only the part in [] including the brackets themselves. > but then I'm not sure how to compile by hand. I tried > latex newfile3.tex > xetex newfile3.tex > luatex newfile3.tex > They all fail with multiple errors. Ideas? `latex` and `pdflatex` will fail (if you exported as (Xe|Lua)tex) because of Unicode characters and the fontconfig package. `xetex` and `luatex` correspond to `tex` - the "plain" TeX macro set. You need `xelatex` or `lualatex`. If there are still errors, report them. Günter
Re: Italic textual Greek with Palatino (mathpazo)
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Guenter Milde wrote: > This error is actually from the fontconfig package. The option for TeX > ligature changed recently, so maybe your fontconfig version is either > too old or too new. > Too old I guess. I'm using Xubuntu 10.04, fontconfig 2.8.0. > Most probably, you don't need the TeX ligatures (at least, they should > not be needed with LyX), so leaving the offending option out is the > simples way. > I haven't intentionally set any ligature option. How could I disable it? > Otherwise, check the fontconfig documentation for your version. > > If LyX inserts the option, export to LaTeX, fix and compile "by hand". > If this helps, report back so that it could be fixed in LyX. > I managed to export to LaTeX (xetex or luatex) and comment out the ligature line, but then I'm not sure how to compile by hand. I tried latex newfile3.tex xetex newfile3.tex luatex newfile3.tex They all fail with multiple errors. Ideas? Liviu > Günter > > -- Do you know how to read? http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-dict#speed-reader Do you know how to write? http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail
Re: Italic textual Greek with Palatino (mathpazo)
On 2011-01-15, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Guenter Milde wrote:
>> You could try TeX Gyre Pagella with XeTeX. Its an Palatino clone and
>> extension. The Unicode-encoded otf font has also some Greek.
> Interesting workaround, but I keep getting this error when trying TeX
> Gyre Pagella with XeTeX in beta3:
> ! Package xkeyval Error: `TeX' undefined in families `Ligatures'.
> \setmainfont[Ligatures=TeX]{TeXGyrePagella}
> Try typingto proceed.
> If that doesn't work, type X to quit.
> LuaTeX fails too. Any ideas?
This error is actually from the fontconfig package. The option for TeX
ligature changed recently, so maybe your fontconfig version is either
too old or too new.
Most probably, you don't need the TeX ligatures (at least, they should
not be needed with LyX), so leaving the offending option out is the
simples way.
Otherwise, check the fontconfig documentation for your version.
If LyX inserts the option, export to LaTeX, fix and compile "by hand".
If this helps, report back so that it could be fixed in LyX.
Günter
Re: Italic textual Greek with Palatino (mathpazo)
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Guenter Milde wrote:
> You could try TeX Gyre Pagella with XeTeX. Its an Palatino clone and
> extension. The Unicode-encoded otf font has also some Greek.
>
Interesting workaround, but I keep getting this error when trying TeX
Gyre Pagella with XeTeX in beta3:
! Package xkeyval Error: `TeX' undefined in families `Ligatures'.
\setmainfont[Ligatures=TeX]{TeXGyrePagella}
Try typingto proceed.
If that doesn't work, type X to quit.
LuaTeX fails too. Any ideas?
Liviu
Re: Italic textual Greek with Palatino (mathpazo)
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Jim Oldfield wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestion. I tried it out - made a short document with
> \usepackage{tgpagella}
>
I was referring to
\usepackage{qpxmath,tgpagella}
Have you tried this? Regards
Liviu
> and some emphasised (and non-emphasised) Greek - but
> again I just got upright computer modern substitutions for both. This is
> quite
> surprising since Pagella claims to support Greek - in fact from what I can
> tell
> it's practically its purpose. Perhaps my system is somehow not setup
> correctly.
> Here's the warning I get
>
>
> LaTeX Font Warning: Font shape `LGR/qpl/m/n' undefined
> (Font) using `LGR/cmr/m/n' instead on input line 18.
>
> Anyway, this is turning out to be a lot more effort than it's probably worth.
> I
> will do my readers a favour and just spell out "pseudodifferential operator"
> in
> full when I need it!
>
> Thanks,
> jim
>
>
> - Original Message
>> From: Liviu Andronic
>> To: Jim Oldfield
>> Cc: Lyx Users
>> Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 14:08:47
>> Subject: Re: Italic textual Greek with Palatino (mathpazo)
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Jim Oldfield wrote:
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > I'm trying to insert the text "ΨDO" into a LyX document (the first letter
> is
>> > upper case Greek psi, the next two letters are Latin letters), which is
>> > the
>> > standard abbreviation for "pseudo-differential operator". By the way,
> "PDO"
>> > won't cut it since this is already an abbreviation for "partial
> differential
>> > operator".
>> >
>> > The problem is, I'm using Palatino i.e. \usepackage{mathpazo}, but the
> Greek
>> > characters from Computer Modern are used. Much worse than this, for
>>non-default
>> >
>> > shapes (like italic or bold) the default-shaped Computer Modern characters
>>are
>> > used! So in a theorem environment my Psi is upright when all surrounding
>>text
>> > is italic.
>> >
>> Perhaps
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg82341.html
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg84133.html
>>
>> Liviu
>>
>>
>> > Clearly the relevant characters exist in Palatino, since they are used for
>>\Psi
>> > and \varPsi in math. I'd rather not resort to using these for a textual
>> > character, so is there someone to make LaTeX know about the relevant
>> > fonts?
>> At
>> >
>> > the very least is there a way to make LaTeX use italic Computer Modern
>> > substitutions instead of roman ones for italic characters?
>> >
>> > Here are the relevant LaTeX warnings:
>> > LaTeX Font Warning: Font shape `LGR/ppl/m/n' undefined
>> > (Font) using `LGR/cmr/m/n' instead on input line 181.
>> > LaTeX Font Warning: Font shape `LGR/ppl/m/it' undefined
>> >
>> > (Font) using `LGR/ppl/m/n' instead on input line 186.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance for any help,
>> > Jim
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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Re: Italic textual Greek with Palatino (mathpazo)
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Jim Oldfield wrote:
> > Thanks for the suggestion. I tried it out - made a short document with
> > \usepackage{tgpagella}
> >
> I was referring to
> \usepackage{qpxmath,tgpagella}
>
That shouldn't have any effect since qpxmath only affects the math font, and
it's the text font that I had trouble with. (If tgpagella had worked I _would_
need something like that to make the math match, though.) Still, I tried it to
be safe and it didn't work either. Thanks again though!
Re: Italic textual Greek with Palatino (mathpazo)
On 2011-01-13, Jim Oldfield wrote:
> I'm trying to insert the text "ΨDO" into a LyX document (the first letter is
> upper case Greek psi, the next two letters are Latin letters)
> The problem is, I'm using Palatino i.e. \usepackage{mathpazo}, but the
> Greek characters from Computer Modern are used. Much worse than this,
> for non-default shapes (like italic or bold) the default-shaped
> Computer Modern characters are used! So in a theorem environment my
> Psi is upright when all surrounding text is italic.
This is because the Palatino family does not have a Greek text font.
> Clearly the relevant characters exist in Palatino, since they are used
> for \Psi and \varPsi in math.
But these symbols are taken from two math fonts.
> I'd rather not resort to using these for a textual character, so is
> there someone to make LaTeX know about the relevant fonts?
You could try TeX Gyre Pagella with XeTeX. Its an Palatino clone and
extension. The Unicode-encoded otf font has also some Greek.
> At the very least is there a way to make LaTeX use italic Computer Modern
> substitutions instead of roman ones for italic characters?
You could try the substitutefonts.sty package
http://milde.users.sourceforge.net/substitutefont/
Günter
Re: Italic textual Greek with Palatino (mathpazo)
Thanks for the suggestion. I tried it out - made a short document with
\usepackage{tgpagella} and some emphasised (and non-emphasised) Greek - but
again I just got upright computer modern substitutions for both. This is quite
surprising since Pagella claims to support Greek - in fact from what I can tell
it's practically its purpose. Perhaps my system is somehow not setup
correctly.
Here's the warning I get
LaTeX Font Warning: Font shape `LGR/qpl/m/n' undefined
(Font) using `LGR/cmr/m/n' instead on input line 18.
Anyway, this is turning out to be a lot more effort than it's probably worth.
I
will do my readers a favour and just spell out "pseudodifferential operator" in
full when I need it!
Thanks,
jim
- Original Message
> From: Liviu Andronic
> To: Jim Oldfield
> Cc: Lyx Users
> Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 14:08:47
> Subject: Re: Italic textual Greek with Palatino (mathpazo)
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Jim Oldfield wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'm trying to insert the text "ΨDO" into a LyX document (the first letter
is
> > upper case Greek psi, the next two letters are Latin letters), which is the
> > standard abbreviation for "pseudo-differential operator". By the way,
"PDO"
> > won't cut it since this is already an abbreviation for "partial
differential
> > operator".
> >
> > The problem is, I'm using Palatino i.e. \usepackage{mathpazo}, but the
Greek
> > characters from Computer Modern are used. Much worse than this, for
>non-default
> >
> > shapes (like italic or bold) the default-shaped Computer Modern characters
>are
> > used! So in a theorem environment my Psi is upright when all surrounding
>text
> > is italic.
> >
> Perhaps
> http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg82341.html
> http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg84133.html
>
> Liviu
>
>
> > Clearly the relevant characters exist in Palatino, since they are used for
> >
>\Psi
> > and \varPsi in math. I'd rather not resort to using these for a textual
> > character, so is there someone to make LaTeX know about the relevant
> > fonts?
> At
> >
> > the very least is there a way to make LaTeX use italic Computer Modern
> > substitutions instead of roman ones for italic characters?
> >
> > Here are the relevant LaTeX warnings:
> > LaTeX Font Warning: Font shape `LGR/ppl/m/n' undefined
> > (Font) using `LGR/cmr/m/n' instead on input line 181.
> > LaTeX Font Warning: Font shape `LGR/ppl/m/it' undefined
> >
> > (Font) using `LGR/ppl/m/n' instead on input line 186.
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help,
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
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Re: Italic textual Greek with Palatino (mathpazo)
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Jim Oldfield wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm trying to insert the text "ΨDO" into a LyX document (the first letter is
> upper case Greek psi, the next two letters are Latin letters), which is the
> standard abbreviation for "pseudo-differential operator". By the way, "PDO"
> won't cut it since this is already an abbreviation for "partial differential
> operator".
>
> The problem is, I'm using Palatino i.e. \usepackage{mathpazo}, but the Greek
> characters from Computer Modern are used. Much worse than this, for
> non-default
>
> shapes (like italic or bold) the default-shaped Computer Modern characters are
> used! So in a theorem environment my Psi is upright when all surrounding text
> is italic.
>
Perhaps
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg82341.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg84133.html
Liviu
> Clearly the relevant characters exist in Palatino, since they are used for
> \Psi
> and \varPsi in math. I'd rather not resort to using these for a textual
> character, so is there someone to make LaTeX know about the relevant fonts?
> At
>
> the very least is there a way to make LaTeX use italic Computer Modern
> substitutions instead of roman ones for italic characters?
>
> Here are the relevant LaTeX warnings:
> LaTeX Font Warning: Font shape `LGR/ppl/m/n' undefined
> (Font) using `LGR/cmr/m/n' instead on input line 181.
> LaTeX Font Warning: Font shape `LGR/ppl/m/it' undefined
>
> (Font) using `LGR/ppl/m/n' instead on input line 186.
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any help,
> Jim
>
>
>
>
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