Re: Please help me with Document class Book for LYX

2007-02-18 Thread lewelyn . lee 
On Friday 16 February 2007 11:04 pm, Rich Shepard wrote:
 On Mon, 25 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I am using  LYX 1.3.5 to write a novel Running on Suse Linux 9.3 I have
  finally setteld to use Doc Class Memoir because it gives me least
  problems regarding my preferences

 Llewelyn,

First, let me encourage you to upgrade to -1.4.4. The -1.3.5 release is
 very old and no longer supported. No reason why the latest stable release
 will not run on your system.

  All the Book classes available on my version of LYX have a common
  shortcoming LOOK at any Book you buy or get from the Library and you will
  see that chapter one starts on the right hand page . The page is
  therefore bound on its left edge Similarly if I do some document for my
  office or for a sales proposal we put it into a presentation folder with
  the binding on the left.
 
  In the Book class in LYX odd pages  eg number one are always with the
  Binding space on the right side of the page .This convention is very
  troublesome

Second, you're looking at it from the wrong viewpoint. Take a book from
 your shelf and open it anywhere. You'll see that the outer page margins are
 wider than the inner page margins. That's because when you lay the book
 flat on its back, the inner margins of both pages make the text area look
 centered.

  The second problem is that LYX will only start a Chapter on odd number
  pages and this results in Lyx inserting blank pages Blank pages are thus
  even number and so always take up position on the left side of an open
  book . I would be better served if A) no convention about chapters
  starting on odd or even pages
  OR
  B)LYX started chapters on even pages if it had to have a convention about
  this OR
  C) If I had some code I could enter in the document to change the Chapter
  start convention on the fly

Third, you can make changes so chapters will start on either odd or even
 pages, but that's not standard for the types of books LaTeX and LyX were
 designed to handle. Yes, novels will start chapters anywhere they want --
 even in the middle of the page -- but that's not typographic convention for
 a book.
 please tell me how .I would like to insert it in my book preamble.I hope you 
would know which one of those definitions in the preamble conrol this even 
odd page matter for chapters ?
Fourth, if you want to get the maximum from LyX you'll need to learn
 LaTeX. Whether you'll enter it in the unfortunately-named ERT, or in the
 preamble, or you want to know how to change the appearance of your
 document, you need LaTeX. Two recommendations: Guide to LaTeX, 4th Edition
 and The LaTeX Companion, 2nd Edition.
 It seems I must but but that will take time and I need in the meantime a 
work around for this specific problem . I have already written 34 words 
for a two book novel series ,please do help me.
  The simplest would be if I could enter code so that all odd number pages
  are set to have binding space on the left instead of right I can then
  work around all other problems

You can do this, but your book will look very odd when you're done. I've
 seen books like that: the text area is pushed to the outer edges of the
 pages with a huge white space on either side of the binding. Very
 amateurish, IMNSHO.
 Please tell me how ??/ please .If its not so good when I have done it I can   
  
always reverse my settings back thanks
 Rich

Re: Please help me with Document class Book for LYX

2007-02-18 Thread Rich Shepard 

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Please tell me how ??/ please .If its not so good when I have done it I
can always reverse my settings back thanks


  A very good place to look for solutions is found by the 'Tips and Tricks'
link on the main LyX web page. If you follow those links you come to this
page:

  http://tug.org/TeXnik/mainFAQ.cgi?file=layouts/examples#newpage

where you'll see this tip:

New Chapter on odd and even pages
If the documentclass option openany is not available, then write in the
LaTeX preamble

\makeatletter
\renewcommand*{\cleardoublepage}{%
  % original definition, see latex.ltx
  \clearpage
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
\else
  \thispagestyle{empty}% added
  \hbox{}\newpage
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
\hbox{}\newpage
  \fi
\fi
  \fi
}
\makeatother

HTH,

Rich

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Re: Please help me with Document class Book for LYX

2007-02-18 Thread lewelyn . lee 
On Friday 16 February 2007 11:04 pm, Rich Shepard wrote:
 On Mon, 25 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I am using  LYX 1.3.5 to write a novel Running on Suse Linux 9.3 I have
  finally setteld to use Doc Class Memoir because it gives me least
  problems regarding my preferences

 Llewelyn,

First, let me encourage you to upgrade to -1.4.4. The -1.3.5 release is
 very old and no longer supported. No reason why the latest stable release
 will not run on your system.

  All the Book classes available on my version of LYX have a common
  shortcoming LOOK at any Book you buy or get from the Library and you will
  see that chapter one starts on the right hand page . The page is
  therefore bound on its left edge Similarly if I do some document for my
  office or for a sales proposal we put it into a presentation folder with
  the binding on the left.
 
  In the Book class in LYX odd pages  eg number one are always with the
  Binding space on the right side of the page .This convention is very
  troublesome

Second, you're looking at it from the wrong viewpoint. Take a book from
 your shelf and open it anywhere. You'll see that the outer page margins are
 wider than the inner page margins. That's because when you lay the book
 flat on its back, the inner margins of both pages make the text area look
 centered.

  The second problem is that LYX will only start a Chapter on odd number
  pages and this results in Lyx inserting blank pages Blank pages are thus
  even number and so always take up position on the left side of an open
  book . I would be better served if A) no convention about chapters
  starting on odd or even pages
  OR
  B)LYX started chapters on even pages if it had to have a convention about
  this OR
  C) If I had some code I could enter in the document to change the Chapter
  start convention on the fly

Third, you can make changes so chapters will start on either odd or even
 pages, but that's not standard for the types of books LaTeX and LyX were
 designed to handle. Yes, novels will start chapters anywhere they want --
 even in the middle of the page -- but that's not typographic convention for
 a book.
 please tell me how .I would like to insert it in my book preamble.I hope you 
would know which one of those definitions in the preamble conrol this even 
odd page matter for chapters ?
Fourth, if you want to get the maximum from LyX you'll need to learn
 LaTeX. Whether you'll enter it in the unfortunately-named ERT, or in the
 preamble, or you want to know how to change the appearance of your
 document, you need LaTeX. Two recommendations: Guide to LaTeX, 4th Edition
 and The LaTeX Companion, 2nd Edition.
 It seems I must but but that will take time and I need in the meantime a 
work around for this specific problem . I have already written 34 words 
for a two book novel series ,please do help me.
  The simplest would be if I could enter code so that all odd number pages
  are set to have binding space on the left instead of right I can then
  work around all other problems

You can do this, but your book will look very odd when you're done. I've
 seen books like that: the text area is pushed to the outer edges of the
 pages with a huge white space on either side of the binding. Very
 amateurish, IMNSHO.
 Please tell me how ??/ please .If its not so good when I have done it I can   
  
always reverse my settings back thanks
 Rich

Re: Please help me with Document class Book for LYX

2007-02-18 Thread Rich Shepard 

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Please tell me how ??/ please .If its not so good when I have done it I
can always reverse my settings back thanks


  A very good place to look for solutions is found by the 'Tips and Tricks'
link on the main LyX web page. If you follow those links you come to this
page:

  http://tug.org/TeXnik/mainFAQ.cgi?file=layouts/examples#newpage

where you'll see this tip:

New Chapter on odd and even pages
If the documentclass option openany is not available, then write in the
LaTeX preamble

\makeatletter
\renewcommand*{\cleardoublepage}{%
  % original definition, see latex.ltx
  \clearpage
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
\else
  \thispagestyle{empty}% added
  \hbox{}\newpage
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
\hbox{}\newpage
  \fi
\fi
  \fi
}
\makeatother

HTH,

Rich

--
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Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|  Accelerator(TM)
http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: Please help me with Document class Book for LYX

2007-02-18 Thread lewelyn . lee 
On Friday 16 February 2007 11:04 pm, Rich Shepard wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I am using  LYX 1.3.5 to write a novel Running on Suse Linux 9.3 I have
> > finally setteld to use Doc Class Memoir because it gives me least
> > problems regarding my preferences
>
> Llewelyn,
>
>First, let me encourage you to upgrade to -1.4.4. The -1.3.5 release is
> very old and no longer supported. No reason why the latest stable release
> will not run on your system.
>
> > All the Book classes available on my version of LYX have a common
> > shortcoming LOOK at any Book you buy or get from the Library and you will
> > see that chapter one starts on the right hand page . The page is
> > therefore bound on its left edge Similarly if I do some document for my
> > office or for a sales proposal we put it into a presentation folder with
> > the binding on the left.
> >
> > In the Book class in LYX odd pages  eg number one are always with the
> > Binding space on the right side of the page .This convention is very
> > troublesome
>
>Second, you're looking at it from the wrong viewpoint. Take a book from
> your shelf and open it anywhere. You'll see that the outer page margins are
> wider than the inner page margins. That's because when you lay the book
> flat on its back, the inner margins of both pages make the text area look
> centered.
>
> > The second problem is that LYX will only start a Chapter on odd number
> > pages and this results in Lyx inserting blank pages Blank pages are thus
> > even number and so always take up position on the left side of an open
> > book . I would be better served if A) no convention about chapters
> > starting on odd or even pages
> > OR
> > B)LYX started chapters on even pages if it had to have a convention about
> > this OR
> > C) If I had some code I could enter in the document to change the Chapter
> > start convention on the fly
>
>Third, you can make changes so chapters will start on either odd or even
> pages, but that's not standard for the types of books LaTeX and LyX were
> designed to handle. Yes, novels will start chapters anywhere they want --
> even in the middle of the page -- but that's not typographic convention for
> a book.
> please tell me how .I would like to insert it in my book preamble.I hope you 
would know which one of those definitions in the preamble conrol this even 
odd page matter for chapters ?
>Fourth, if you want to get the maximum from LyX you'll need to learn
> LaTeX. Whether you'll enter it in the unfortunately-named ERT, or in the
> preamble, or you want to know how to change the appearance of your
> document, you need LaTeX. Two recommendations: Guide to LaTeX, 4th Edition
> and The LaTeX Companion, 2nd Edition.
> It seems I must but but that will take time and I need in the meantime a 
work around for this specific problem . I have already written 34 words 
for a two book novel series ,please do help me.
> > The simplest would be if I could enter code so that all odd number pages
> > are set to have binding space on the left instead of right I can then
> > work around all other problems
>
>You can do this, but your book will look very odd when you're done. I've
> seen books like that: the text area is pushed to the outer edges of the
> pages with a huge white space on either side of the binding. Very
> amateurish, IMNSHO.
> Please tell me how ??/ please .If its not so good when I have done it I can   
>  
always reverse my settings back thanks
> Rich

Re: Please help me with Document class Book for LYX

2007-02-18 Thread Rich Shepard 

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Please tell me how ??/ please .If its not so good when I have done it I
can always reverse my settings back thanks


  A very good place to look for solutions is found by the 'Tips and Tricks'
link on the main LyX web page. If you follow those links you come to this
page:

  

where you'll see this tip:

New Chapter on odd and even pages
If the documentclass option openany is not available, then write in the
LaTeX preamble

\makeatletter
\renewcommand*{\cleardoublepage}{%
  % original definition, see latex.ltx
  \clearpage
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
\else
  \thispagestyle{empty}% added
  \hbox{}\newpage
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
\hbox{}\newpage
  \fi
\fi
  \fi
}
\makeatother

HTH,

Rich

--
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Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|  Accelerator(TM)
 Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: Please help me with Document class Book for LYX

2007-02-16 Thread Rich Shepard 

On Mon, 25 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am using  LYX 1.3.5 to write a novel Running on Suse Linux 9.3 I have
finally setteld to use Doc Class Memoir because it gives me least problems
regarding my preferences


Llewelyn,

  First, let me encourage you to upgrade to -1.4.4. The -1.3.5 release is
very old and no longer supported. No reason why the latest stable release
will not run on your system.


All the Book classes available on my version of LYX have a common
shortcoming LOOK at any Book you buy or get from the Library and you will
see that chapter one starts on the right hand page . The page is therefore
bound on its left edge Similarly if I do some document for my office or
for a sales proposal we put it into a presentation folder with the binding
on the left.



In the Book class in LYX odd pages  eg number one are always with the Binding
space on the right side of the page .This convention is very troublesome


  Second, you're looking at it from the wrong viewpoint. Take a book from
your shelf and open it anywhere. You'll see that the outer page margins are
wider than the inner page margins. That's because when you lay the book flat
on its back, the inner margins of both pages make the text area look
centered.


The second problem is that LYX will only start a Chapter on odd number
pages and this results in Lyx inserting blank pages Blank pages are thus
even number and so always take up position on the left side of an open
book . I would be better served if A) no convention about chapters
starting on odd or even pages
OR
B)LYX started chapters on even pages if it had to have a convention about this
OR
C) If I had some code I could enter in the document to change the Chapter
start convention on the fly


  Third, you can make changes so chapters will start on either odd or even
pages, but that's not standard for the types of books LaTeX and LyX were
designed to handle. Yes, novels will start chapters anywhere they want --
even in the middle of the page -- but that's not typographic convention for
a book.

  Fourth, if you want to get the maximum from LyX you'll need to learn
LaTeX. Whether you'll enter it in the unfortunately-named ERT, or in the
preamble, or you want to know how to change the appearance of your document,
you need LaTeX. Two recommendations: Guide to LaTeX, 4th Edition and The
LaTeX Companion, 2nd Edition.


The simplest would be if I could enter code so that all odd number pages are
set to have binding space on the left instead of right I can then work around
all other problems


  You can do this, but your book will look very odd when you're done. I've
seen books like that: the text area is pushed to the outer edges of the
pages with a huge white space on either side of the binding. Very
amateurish, IMNSHO.

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |The Environmental Permitting
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|  Accelerator(TM)
http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: Please help me with Document class Book for LYX

2007-02-16 Thread Rich Shepard 

On Mon, 25 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am using  LYX 1.3.5 to write a novel Running on Suse Linux 9.3 I have
finally setteld to use Doc Class Memoir because it gives me least problems
regarding my preferences


Llewelyn,

  First, let me encourage you to upgrade to -1.4.4. The -1.3.5 release is
very old and no longer supported. No reason why the latest stable release
will not run on your system.


All the Book classes available on my version of LYX have a common
shortcoming LOOK at any Book you buy or get from the Library and you will
see that chapter one starts on the right hand page . The page is therefore
bound on its left edge Similarly if I do some document for my office or
for a sales proposal we put it into a presentation folder with the binding
on the left.



In the Book class in LYX odd pages  eg number one are always with the Binding
space on the right side of the page .This convention is very troublesome


  Second, you're looking at it from the wrong viewpoint. Take a book from
your shelf and open it anywhere. You'll see that the outer page margins are
wider than the inner page margins. That's because when you lay the book flat
on its back, the inner margins of both pages make the text area look
centered.


The second problem is that LYX will only start a Chapter on odd number
pages and this results in Lyx inserting blank pages Blank pages are thus
even number and so always take up position on the left side of an open
book . I would be better served if A) no convention about chapters
starting on odd or even pages
OR
B)LYX started chapters on even pages if it had to have a convention about this
OR
C) If I had some code I could enter in the document to change the Chapter
start convention on the fly


  Third, you can make changes so chapters will start on either odd or even
pages, but that's not standard for the types of books LaTeX and LyX were
designed to handle. Yes, novels will start chapters anywhere they want --
even in the middle of the page -- but that's not typographic convention for
a book.

  Fourth, if you want to get the maximum from LyX you'll need to learn
LaTeX. Whether you'll enter it in the unfortunately-named ERT, or in the
preamble, or you want to know how to change the appearance of your document,
you need LaTeX. Two recommendations: Guide to LaTeX, 4th Edition and The
LaTeX Companion, 2nd Edition.


The simplest would be if I could enter code so that all odd number pages are
set to have binding space on the left instead of right I can then work around
all other problems


  You can do this, but your book will look very odd when you're done. I've
seen books like that: the text area is pushed to the outer edges of the
pages with a huge white space on either side of the binding. Very
amateurish, IMNSHO.

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |The Environmental Permitting
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|  Accelerator(TM)
http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: Please help me with Document class Book for LYX

2007-02-16 Thread Rich Shepard 

On Mon, 25 Dec 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am using  LYX 1.3.5 to write a novel Running on Suse Linux 9.3 I have
finally setteld to use Doc Class Memoir because it gives me least problems
regarding my preferences


Llewelyn,

  First, let me encourage you to upgrade to -1.4.4. The -1.3.5 release is
very old and no longer supported. No reason why the latest stable release
will not run on your system.


All the Book classes available on my version of LYX have a common
shortcoming LOOK at any Book you buy or get from the Library and you will
see that chapter one starts on the right hand page . The page is therefore
bound on its left edge Similarly if I do some document for my office or
for a sales proposal we put it into a presentation folder with the binding
on the left.



In the Book class in LYX odd pages  eg number one are always with the Binding
space on the right side of the page .This convention is very troublesome


  Second, you're looking at it from the wrong viewpoint. Take a book from
your shelf and open it anywhere. You'll see that the outer page margins are
wider than the inner page margins. That's because when you lay the book flat
on its back, the inner margins of both pages make the text area look
centered.


The second problem is that LYX will only start a Chapter on odd number
pages and this results in Lyx inserting blank pages Blank pages are thus
even number and so always take up position on the left side of an open
book . I would be better served if A) no convention about chapters
starting on odd or even pages
OR
B)LYX started chapters on even pages if it had to have a convention about this
OR
C) If I had some code I could enter in the document to change the Chapter
start convention on the fly


  Third, you can make changes so chapters will start on either odd or even
pages, but that's not standard for the types of books LaTeX and LyX were
designed to handle. Yes, novels will start chapters anywhere they want --
even in the middle of the page -- but that's not typographic convention for
a book.

  Fourth, if you want to get the maximum from LyX you'll need to learn
LaTeX. Whether you'll enter it in the unfortunately-named ERT, or in the
preamble, or you want to know how to change the appearance of your document,
you need LaTeX. Two recommendations: Guide to LaTeX, 4th Edition and The
LaTeX Companion, 2nd Edition.


The simplest would be if I could enter code so that all odd number pages are
set to have binding space on the left instead of right I can then work around
all other problems


  You can do this, but your book will look very odd when you're done. I've
seen books like that: the text area is pushed to the outer edges of the
pages with a huge white space on either side of the binding. Very
amateurish, IMNSHO.

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |The Environmental Permitting
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|  Accelerator(TM)
 Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863