Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2005-01-01 Thread Helge Hafting 
On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 08:11:22PM -0600, Jack T. Gill wrote:
 I've been monitoring this list for a couple of months.  I was intrigued by
 LyX and it being a WYSIWYM program.  However most of the activity I've seen
 on this list seems to be from folks having problems tweaking LyX, i.e.,
 changing the settings or adding ERT to reformat the output to what they
 want.  To me that's no longer WYSIWYM, but seems to be what I've done for
 years with OpenOffice or in Word---typing the content and formatting the
 output.
 
 Does anyone use LyX right out of the box (or download) without all the
 tweaking?  If so, to what use are you putting it?
 
 Thanks.

I use lyx for anything I need to write on paper or PDF.  I can do lots of
tweaks but rarely have to.  I have made a couple of document classes
that fits my work.  I don't use lyx for email, plain text is the format
of choice for that.  I don't want to bother others by forcing them to start some
extra program to read mail - all mail readers support text directly.

Note that good formatting in all cases, and satisfying all sorts of layout
constraints _is_ hard - no program can help that.  Lyx can come further,
but the task itself is complicated so even a full-featured future lyx
will force beginners to ask for help.  Today, the hard stuff lies in latex
commands and such.  With support for everything built-in, the problem will be
which of thousands of menus to use to get some specific effect.

You can see this already, not all the answers here deal in latex commands.
Some go along the lines of insert a float with such and such options,
then use insert-special char-hfill in order to . . .

Those that want to play with advanced typography will need to learn a lot,
even if they don't want to learn latex.  But predefined classes usually gets
the work done.


Helge Hafting

Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2005-01-01 Thread Helge Hafting 
On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 08:11:22PM -0600, Jack T. Gill wrote:
 I've been monitoring this list for a couple of months.  I was intrigued by
 LyX and it being a WYSIWYM program.  However most of the activity I've seen
 on this list seems to be from folks having problems tweaking LyX, i.e.,
 changing the settings or adding ERT to reformat the output to what they
 want.  To me that's no longer WYSIWYM, but seems to be what I've done for
 years with OpenOffice or in Word---typing the content and formatting the
 output.
 
 Does anyone use LyX right out of the box (or download) without all the
 tweaking?  If so, to what use are you putting it?
 
 Thanks.

I use lyx for anything I need to write on paper or PDF.  I can do lots of
tweaks but rarely have to.  I have made a couple of document classes
that fits my work.  I don't use lyx for email, plain text is the format
of choice for that.  I don't want to bother others by forcing them to start some
extra program to read mail - all mail readers support text directly.

Note that good formatting in all cases, and satisfying all sorts of layout
constraints _is_ hard - no program can help that.  Lyx can come further,
but the task itself is complicated so even a full-featured future lyx
will force beginners to ask for help.  Today, the hard stuff lies in latex
commands and such.  With support for everything built-in, the problem will be
which of thousands of menus to use to get some specific effect.

You can see this already, not all the answers here deal in latex commands.
Some go along the lines of insert a float with such and such options,
then use insert-special char-hfill in order to . . .

Those that want to play with advanced typography will need to learn a lot,
even if they don't want to learn latex.  But predefined classes usually gets
the work done.


Helge Hafting

Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2005-01-01 Thread Helge Hafting 
On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 08:11:22PM -0600, Jack T. Gill wrote:
> I've been monitoring this list for a couple of months.  I was intrigued by
> LyX and it being a WYSIWYM program.  However most of the activity I've seen
> on this list seems to be from folks having problems tweaking LyX, i.e.,
> changing the settings or adding ERT to reformat the output to what they
> want.  To me that's no longer WYSIWYM, but seems to be what I've done for
> years with OpenOffice or in Word---typing the content and formatting the
> output.
> 
> Does anyone use LyX right out of the box (or download) without all the
> tweaking?  If so, to what use are you putting it?
> 
> Thanks.

I use lyx for anything I need to write on paper or PDF.  I can do lots of
tweaks but rarely have to.  I have made a couple of document classes
that fits my work.  I don't use lyx for email, plain text is the format
of choice for that.  I don't want to bother others by forcing them to start some
extra program to read mail - all mail readers support text directly.

Note that good formatting in all cases, and satisfying all sorts of layout
constraints _is_ hard - no program can help that.  Lyx can come further,
but the task itself is complicated so even a full-featured future lyx
will force beginners to ask for help.  Today, the hard stuff lies in latex
commands and such.  With support for everything built-in, the problem will be
which of thousands of menus to use to get some specific effect.

You can see this already, not all the answers here deal in latex commands.
Some go along the lines of "insert a float with such and such options,
then use insert->special char->hfill in order to . . ."

Those that want to play with advanced typography will need to learn a lot,
even if they don't want to learn latex.  But predefined classes usually gets
the work done.


Helge Hafting

Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-30 Thread Rich Shepard 
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to get it so the chapter name and number is
only on the left even pages and the section name and number is on the
right side of the odd pages.
\fancyhead[RO]{\slshape \thesection}
\fancyhead[RE]{}
Jeremy,
  The blank should not be necessary; that's why we specify position and
page.
\fancyhead[LE]{\slshape \thechapter}
\fancyhead[LO]{}
  Ditto.
The above works (in my preamble) to show numbers, but I don't have the
actual chapter name.
  There are three page references in TCL2 to \thechapter, but none
addresses exactly what is included. I'm sure that an additional variable
(the section/chapter titles) needs to be included, but I don't find the
reference off-hand. There are more experienced folks here who can help more
than can I.
Rich
--
Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
http://www.appl-ecosys.com   Voice: 503-667-4517   Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-30 Thread Jeremy C. Reed 
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, Rich Shepard wrote:

  \fancyhead[RO]{\slshape \thesection}
  \fancyhead[RE]{}

 Jeremy,

The blank should not be necessary; that's why we specify position and
 page.

This is what I ended up doing for now:

\fancyhead[RO]{}
\fancyhead[RE]{}

The blanks worked for me. The above does:

On odd page, place on left side of page: CHAPTER 6. MORE TOOLS. (I want
this lowercase.)

On even page, place on left side of page: 6.4 SPACING, PAGINATION AND
LINE BREAKS. (I want this lower case and I want it justified to right
side.)

It is not what I want, but it works. What I want is to get rid of the
repeated header on odd and even -- it gets crushed together and I don't
need to read it twice when I have a book open.

I want on even pages, placed on left side of the page: Chapter 6. More
Tools.

And I want on odd pages, placed from right side of page: 6.4 Spacing,
pagination and line breaks.

There are three page references in TCL2 to \thechapter, but none
 addresses exactly what is included. I'm sure that an additional variable
 (the section/chapter titles) needs to be included, but I don't find the
 reference off-hand. There are more experienced folks here who can help more
 than can I.

I think it is by using a #1 as I read in the fancyhdr.dvi documentation. I
just can't get it to work using the examples in that file.

 Jeremy C. Reed

 BSD News, BSD tutorials, BSD links
 http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/

Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-30 Thread Rich Shepard 
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to get it so the chapter name and number is
only on the left even pages and the section name and number is on the
right side of the odd pages.
\fancyhead[RO]{\slshape \thesection}
\fancyhead[RE]{}
Jeremy,
  The blank should not be necessary; that's why we specify position and
page.
\fancyhead[LE]{\slshape \thechapter}
\fancyhead[LO]{}
  Ditto.
The above works (in my preamble) to show numbers, but I don't have the
actual chapter name.
  There are three page references in TCL2 to \thechapter, but none
addresses exactly what is included. I'm sure that an additional variable
(the section/chapter titles) needs to be included, but I don't find the
reference off-hand. There are more experienced folks here who can help more
than can I.
Rich
--
Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
http://www.appl-ecosys.com   Voice: 503-667-4517   Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-30 Thread Jeremy C. Reed 
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, Rich Shepard wrote:

  \fancyhead[RO]{\slshape \thesection}
  \fancyhead[RE]{}

 Jeremy,

The blank should not be necessary; that's why we specify position and
 page.

This is what I ended up doing for now:

\fancyhead[RO]{}
\fancyhead[RE]{}

The blanks worked for me. The above does:

On odd page, place on left side of page: CHAPTER 6. MORE TOOLS. (I want
this lowercase.)

On even page, place on left side of page: 6.4 SPACING, PAGINATION AND
LINE BREAKS. (I want this lower case and I want it justified to right
side.)

It is not what I want, but it works. What I want is to get rid of the
repeated header on odd and even -- it gets crushed together and I don't
need to read it twice when I have a book open.

I want on even pages, placed on left side of the page: Chapter 6. More
Tools.

And I want on odd pages, placed from right side of page: 6.4 Spacing,
pagination and line breaks.

There are three page references in TCL2 to \thechapter, but none
 addresses exactly what is included. I'm sure that an additional variable
 (the section/chapter titles) needs to be included, but I don't find the
 reference off-hand. There are more experienced folks here who can help more
 than can I.

I think it is by using a #1 as I read in the fancyhdr.dvi documentation. I
just can't get it to work using the examples in that file.

 Jeremy C. Reed

 BSD News, BSD tutorials, BSD links
 http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/

Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-30 Thread Rich Shepard 
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
I am trying to figure out how to get it so the chapter name and number is
only on the left even pages and the section name and number is on the
right side of the odd pages.
\fancyhead[RO]{\slshape \thesection}
\fancyhead[RE]{}
Jeremy,
  The blank should not be necessary; that's why we specify position and
page.
\fancyhead[LE]{\slshape \thechapter}
\fancyhead[LO]{}
  Ditto.
The above works (in my preamble) to show numbers, but I don't have the
actual chapter name.
  There are three page references in TCL2 to "\thechapter", but none
addresses exactly what is included. I'm sure that an additional variable
(the section/chapter titles) needs to be included, but I don't find the
reference off-hand. There are more experienced folks here who can help more
than can I.
Rich
--
Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
   Voice: 503-667-4517   Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-30 Thread Jeremy C. Reed 
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, Rich Shepard wrote:

> > \fancyhead[RO]{\slshape \thesection}
> > \fancyhead[RE]{}
>
> Jeremy,
>
>The blank should not be necessary; that's why we specify position and
> page.

This is what I ended up doing for now:

\fancyhead[RO]{}
\fancyhead[RE]{}

The blanks worked for me. The above does:

On odd page, place on left side of page: "CHAPTER 6. MORE TOOLS". (I want
this lowercase.)

On even page, place on left side of page: "6.4 SPACING, PAGINATION AND
LINE BREAKS". (I want this lower case and I want it justified to right
side.)

It is not what I want, but it works. What I want is to get rid of the
repeated header on odd and even -- it gets crushed together and I don't
need to read it twice when I have a book open.

I want on even pages, placed on left side of the page: "Chapter 6. More
Tools".

And I want on odd pages, placed from right side of page: "6.4 Spacing,
pagination and line breaks".

>There are three page references in TCL2 to "\thechapter", but none
> addresses exactly what is included. I'm sure that an additional variable
> (the section/chapter titles) needs to be included, but I don't find the
> reference off-hand. There are more experienced folks here who can help more
> than can I.

I think it is by using a #1 as I read in the fancyhdr.dvi documentation. I
just can't get it to work using the examples in that file.

 Jeremy C. Reed

 BSD News, BSD tutorials, BSD links
 http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/

Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-29 Thread Rich Shepard 
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
An example is from the Lyx User's Guide when printed at 6x9:
14CHAPTER 2. LyX SETUP AND SUPPORTING APPLICATIONS

Is the best idea to fix the chapter name? Or could the header be improved
to only show the first two words for example? Any ideas?
  AFAIK, there are two options: short titles or fancy headers. I've used
both short titles and shortening the chapter or section name.
Also when a left page at end of a chapter is blank, it still have the
chapter header. It seems like just the page number would be good enough on
blank pages. What do you think?
  I think the designers of the various classes used standard or common
designs. However, if something like this is important to you, then by all
means make the changes. :-) The memoir class will give you more options and
abilities for tweaking.
  One of the strengths of LyX (also LaTeX and TeX) is that professional
typographers and page layout designers do all the heavy thinking. I just
pick a document type and concentrate on the content rather than the
appearance. I'll change Abstract to Executive Summary when warranted,
but otherwise I ignore the details.
YMMV,
Rich
--
Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
http://www.appl-ecosys.com   Voice: 503-667-4517   Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-29 Thread Jeremy C. Reed 
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Rich Shepard wrote:

 On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:

  An example is from the Lyx User's Guide when printed at 6x9:
 
  14CHAPTER 2. LyX SETUP AND SUPPORTING APPLICATIONS

  Is the best idea to fix the chapter name? Or could the header be improved
  to only show the first two words for example? Any ideas?

AFAIK, there are two options: short titles or fancy headers. I've used
 both short titles and shortening the chapter or section name.

I am trying to figure out how to get it so the chapter name and number is
only on the left even pages and the section name and number is on the
right side of the odd pages.

\fancyhead[RO]{\slshape \thesection}
\fancyhead[RE]{}
\fancyhead[LE]{\slshape \thechapter}
\fancyhead[LO]{}

The above works (in my preamble) to show numbers, but I don't have the
actual chapter name.

When I try to define a \chaptermarker, then both become blank. I tried
several ideas; here is one I tried:

\renewcommand{\chaptermark}[1]{%
 \markboth{\chaptername
\ \thechapter.\ #1{}}

I am trying to figure this out from reading fancyhdr.dvi (Dec. 16, 2002)
document.

For example, I want on left side of even page:

  Chapter 2. LyX Setup and Supporting Applications

And I want on the right side of odd page:

  Section 2.3 Setting up the X Keyboard

Any assistance would be appreciated.

 Jeremy C. Reed

 BSD News, BSD tutorials, BSD links
 http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/

RE: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-29 Thread Jack T. Gill 
I've been monitoring this list for a couple of months.  I was intrigued by
LyX and it being a WYSIWYM program.  However most of the activity I've seen
on this list seems to be from folks having problems tweaking LyX, i.e.,
changing the settings or adding ERT to reformat the output to what they
want.  To me that's no longer WYSIWYM, but seems to be what I've done for
years with OpenOffice or in Word---typing the content and formatting the
output.

Does anyone use LyX right out of the box (or download) without all the
tweaking?  If so, to what use are you putting it?

Thanks.

Jack

-Original Message-
From: Rich Shepard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:56 PM
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter
heading


   I think the designers of the various classes used standard or common
designs. However, if something like this is important to you, then by all
means make the changes. :-) The memoir class will give you more options and
abilities for tweaking.

   One of the strengths of LyX (also LaTeX and TeX) is that professional
typographers and page layout designers do all the heavy thinking. I just
pick a document type and concentrate on the content rather than the
appearance. I'll change Abstract to Executive Summary when warranted,
but otherwise I ignore the details.

YMMV,

Rich

--
Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
http://www.appl-ecosys.com   Voice: 503-667-4517   Fax: 503-667-8863

RE: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-29 Thread Rich Shepard 
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Jack T. Gill wrote:
I've been monitoring this list for a couple of months. I was intrigued by
LyX and it being a WYSIWYM program. However most of the activity I've seen
on this list seems to be from folks having problems tweaking LyX, i.e.,
changing the settings or adding ERT to reformat the output to what they
want. To me that's no longer WYSIWYM, but seems to be what I've done for
years with OpenOffice or in Word---typing the content and formatting the
output.
Does anyone use LyX right out of the box (or download) without all the
tweaking?  If so, to what use are you putting it?
Jack,
  You're reading too much into what you see. For the really easy stuff no
one writes to ask for help. It's only when you don't know how to do
something (e.g., remove the date from the title page; place a special
character, have multiple equations with one number and caption, put multiple
figures or tables in the same float).
  On the other hand, I'll bet you don't use winWord or OO.o out of the
box, either. Never used Word (yea, team!) but have used OO.o since
WordPerfect bit the dust about 5 years ago. In OO.o one must set the page
size (unless A4 is your default), specify font style, size, margins and so
on for your defaults. If you want templates then you need to create those,
too. Nothing works for everyone as built.
  What sort of writing do you do? Have you produced documents using the
article, report and/or book classes? If so, do they meet your needs? If the
defaults (and you still need to configure LyX when you carefully take it out
of the box) are acceptable, then use it and ignore the traffic here. When
you want to do more, or customize the output to fit a specific need (e.g., a
thesis/dissertation template, journal template, whatever) and you need help,
just write and someone(s) will respond to you.
  This is, without doubt, one of the most useful mail lists to which I
subscribe. I learn as much by reading how others' problems are resolved as I
do when my problems are resolved. Also, if you're serious about using LyX
buy yourself a copy of The LaTeX Companion, Second Edition (TLC2). Not
only is it a complete reference but it will show you what you can do to make
the output match your design.
  Once things are set up, just write. The formatting, typesetting and other
heavy lifting is done for you.
HTH,
Rich
--
Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
http://www.appl-ecosys.com   Voice: 503-667-4517   Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-29 Thread Rich Shepard 
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
An example is from the Lyx User's Guide when printed at 6x9:
14CHAPTER 2. LyX SETUP AND SUPPORTING APPLICATIONS

Is the best idea to fix the chapter name? Or could the header be improved
to only show the first two words for example? Any ideas?
  AFAIK, there are two options: short titles or fancy headers. I've used
both short titles and shortening the chapter or section name.
Also when a left page at end of a chapter is blank, it still have the
chapter header. It seems like just the page number would be good enough on
blank pages. What do you think?
  I think the designers of the various classes used standard or common
designs. However, if something like this is important to you, then by all
means make the changes. :-) The memoir class will give you more options and
abilities for tweaking.
  One of the strengths of LyX (also LaTeX and TeX) is that professional
typographers and page layout designers do all the heavy thinking. I just
pick a document type and concentrate on the content rather than the
appearance. I'll change Abstract to Executive Summary when warranted,
but otherwise I ignore the details.
YMMV,
Rich
--
Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
http://www.appl-ecosys.com   Voice: 503-667-4517   Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-29 Thread Jeremy C. Reed 
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Rich Shepard wrote:

 On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:

  An example is from the Lyx User's Guide when printed at 6x9:
 
  14CHAPTER 2. LyX SETUP AND SUPPORTING APPLICATIONS

  Is the best idea to fix the chapter name? Or could the header be improved
  to only show the first two words for example? Any ideas?

AFAIK, there are two options: short titles or fancy headers. I've used
 both short titles and shortening the chapter or section name.

I am trying to figure out how to get it so the chapter name and number is
only on the left even pages and the section name and number is on the
right side of the odd pages.

\fancyhead[RO]{\slshape \thesection}
\fancyhead[RE]{}
\fancyhead[LE]{\slshape \thechapter}
\fancyhead[LO]{}

The above works (in my preamble) to show numbers, but I don't have the
actual chapter name.

When I try to define a \chaptermarker, then both become blank. I tried
several ideas; here is one I tried:

\renewcommand{\chaptermark}[1]{%
 \markboth{\chaptername
\ \thechapter.\ #1{}}

I am trying to figure this out from reading fancyhdr.dvi (Dec. 16, 2002)
document.

For example, I want on left side of even page:

  Chapter 2. LyX Setup and Supporting Applications

And I want on the right side of odd page:

  Section 2.3 Setting up the X Keyboard

Any assistance would be appreciated.

 Jeremy C. Reed

 BSD News, BSD tutorials, BSD links
 http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/

RE: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-29 Thread Jack T. Gill 
I've been monitoring this list for a couple of months.  I was intrigued by
LyX and it being a WYSIWYM program.  However most of the activity I've seen
on this list seems to be from folks having problems tweaking LyX, i.e.,
changing the settings or adding ERT to reformat the output to what they
want.  To me that's no longer WYSIWYM, but seems to be what I've done for
years with OpenOffice or in Word---typing the content and formatting the
output.

Does anyone use LyX right out of the box (or download) without all the
tweaking?  If so, to what use are you putting it?

Thanks.

Jack

-Original Message-
From: Rich Shepard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:56 PM
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter
heading


   I think the designers of the various classes used standard or common
designs. However, if something like this is important to you, then by all
means make the changes. :-) The memoir class will give you more options and
abilities for tweaking.

   One of the strengths of LyX (also LaTeX and TeX) is that professional
typographers and page layout designers do all the heavy thinking. I just
pick a document type and concentrate on the content rather than the
appearance. I'll change Abstract to Executive Summary when warranted,
but otherwise I ignore the details.

YMMV,

Rich

--
Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
http://www.appl-ecosys.com   Voice: 503-667-4517   Fax: 503-667-8863

RE: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-29 Thread Rich Shepard 
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Jack T. Gill wrote:
I've been monitoring this list for a couple of months. I was intrigued by
LyX and it being a WYSIWYM program. However most of the activity I've seen
on this list seems to be from folks having problems tweaking LyX, i.e.,
changing the settings or adding ERT to reformat the output to what they
want. To me that's no longer WYSIWYM, but seems to be what I've done for
years with OpenOffice or in Word---typing the content and formatting the
output.
Does anyone use LyX right out of the box (or download) without all the
tweaking?  If so, to what use are you putting it?
Jack,
  You're reading too much into what you see. For the really easy stuff no
one writes to ask for help. It's only when you don't know how to do
something (e.g., remove the date from the title page; place a special
character, have multiple equations with one number and caption, put multiple
figures or tables in the same float).
  On the other hand, I'll bet you don't use winWord or OO.o out of the
box, either. Never used Word (yea, team!) but have used OO.o since
WordPerfect bit the dust about 5 years ago. In OO.o one must set the page
size (unless A4 is your default), specify font style, size, margins and so
on for your defaults. If you want templates then you need to create those,
too. Nothing works for everyone as built.
  What sort of writing do you do? Have you produced documents using the
article, report and/or book classes? If so, do they meet your needs? If the
defaults (and you still need to configure LyX when you carefully take it out
of the box) are acceptable, then use it and ignore the traffic here. When
you want to do more, or customize the output to fit a specific need (e.g., a
thesis/dissertation template, journal template, whatever) and you need help,
just write and someone(s) will respond to you.
  This is, without doubt, one of the most useful mail lists to which I
subscribe. I learn as much by reading how others' problems are resolved as I
do when my problems are resolved. Also, if you're serious about using LyX
buy yourself a copy of The LaTeX Companion, Second Edition (TLC2). Not
only is it a complete reference but it will show you what you can do to make
the output match your design.
  Once things are set up, just write. The formatting, typesetting and other
heavy lifting is done for you.
HTH,
Rich
--
Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
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Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-29 Thread Rich Shepard 
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
An example is from the Lyx User's Guide when printed at 6"x9":
14CHAPTER 2. LyX SETUP AND SUPPORTING APPLICATIONS

Is the best idea to fix the chapter name? Or could the header be improved
to only show the first two words for example? Any ideas?
  AFAIK, there are two options: short titles or fancy headers. I've used
both short titles and shortening the chapter or section name.
Also when a left page at end of a chapter is blank, it still have the
chapter header. It seems like just the page number would be good enough on
blank pages. What do you think?
  I think the designers of the various classes used standard or common
designs. However, if something like this is important to you, then by all
means make the changes. :-) The memoir class will give you more options and
abilities for tweaking.
  One of the strengths of LyX (also LaTeX and TeX) is that professional
typographers and page layout designers do all the heavy thinking. I just
pick a document type and concentrate on the content rather than the
appearance. I'll change "Abstract" to "Executive Summary" when warranted,
but otherwise I ignore the details.
YMMV,
Rich
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Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-29 Thread Jeremy C. Reed 
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Rich Shepard wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
>
> > An example is from the Lyx User's Guide when printed at 6"x9":
> >
> > 14CHAPTER 2. LyX SETUP AND SUPPORTING APPLICATIONS
>
> > Is the best idea to fix the chapter name? Or could the header be improved
> > to only show the first two words for example? Any ideas?
>
>AFAIK, there are two options: short titles or fancy headers. I've used
> both short titles and shortening the chapter or section name.

I am trying to figure out how to get it so the chapter name and number is
only on the left even pages and the section name and number is on the
right side of the odd pages.

\fancyhead[RO]{\slshape \thesection}
\fancyhead[RE]{}
\fancyhead[LE]{\slshape \thechapter}
\fancyhead[LO]{}

The above works (in my preamble) to show numbers, but I don't have the
actual chapter name.

When I try to define a \chaptermarker, then both become blank. I tried
several ideas; here is one I tried:

\renewcommand{\chaptermark}[1]{%
 \markboth{\chaptername
\ \thechapter.\ #1{}}

I am trying to figure this out from reading fancyhdr.dvi (Dec. 16, 2002)
document.

For example, I want on left side of even page:

  Chapter 2. LyX Setup and Supporting Applications

And I want on the right side of odd page:

  Section 2.3 Setting up the X Keyboard

Any assistance would be appreciated.

 Jeremy C. Reed

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RE: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-29 Thread Jack T. Gill 
I've been monitoring this list for a couple of months.  I was intrigued by
LyX and it being a WYSIWYM program.  However most of the activity I've seen
on this list seems to be from folks having problems tweaking LyX, i.e.,
changing the settings or adding ERT to reformat the output to what they
want.  To me that's no longer WYSIWYM, but seems to be what I've done for
years with OpenOffice or in Word---typing the content and formatting the
output.

Does anyone use LyX right out of the box (or download) without all the
tweaking?  If so, to what use are you putting it?

Thanks.

Jack

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heading


   I think the designers of the various classes used standard or common
designs. However, if something like this is important to you, then by all
means make the changes. :-) The memoir class will give you more options and
abilities for tweaking.

   One of the strengths of LyX (also LaTeX and TeX) is that professional
typographers and page layout designers do all the heavy thinking. I just
pick a document type and concentrate on the content rather than the
appearance. I'll change "Abstract" to "Executive Summary" when warranted,
but otherwise I ignore the details.

YMMV,

Rich

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RE: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

2004-12-29 Thread Rich Shepard 
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Jack T. Gill wrote:
I've been monitoring this list for a couple of months. I was intrigued by
LyX and it being a WYSIWYM program. However most of the activity I've seen
on this list seems to be from folks having problems tweaking LyX, i.e.,
changing the settings or adding ERT to reformat the output to what they
want. To me that's no longer WYSIWYM, but seems to be what I've done for
years with OpenOffice or in Word---typing the content and formatting the
output.
Does anyone use LyX right out of the box (or download) without all the
tweaking?  If so, to what use are you putting it?
Jack,
  You're reading too much into what you see. For the really easy stuff no
one writes to ask for help. It's only when you don't know how to do
something (e.g., remove the date from the title page; place a special
character, have multiple equations with one number and caption, put multiple
figures or tables in the same float).
  On the other hand, I'll bet you don't use winWord or OO.o "out of the
box", either. Never used Word (yea, team!) but have used OO.o since
WordPerfect bit the dust about 5 years ago. In OO.o one must set the page
size (unless A4 is your default), specify font style, size, margins and so
on for your defaults. If you want templates then you need to create those,
too. Nothing works for everyone as built.
  What sort of writing do you do? Have you produced documents using the
article, report and/or book classes? If so, do they meet your needs? If the
defaults (and you still need to configure LyX when you carefully take it out
of the box) are acceptable, then use it and ignore the traffic here. When
you want to do more, or customize the output to fit a specific need (e.g., a
thesis/dissertation template, journal template, whatever) and you need help,
just write and someone(s) will respond to you.
  This is, without doubt, one of the most useful mail lists to which I
subscribe. I learn as much by reading how others' problems are resolved as I
do when my problems are resolved. Also, if you're serious about using LyX
buy yourself a copy of "The LaTeX Companion, Second Edition" (TLC2). Not
only is it a complete reference but it will show you what you can do to make
the output match your design.
  Once things are set up, just write. The formatting, typesetting and other
heavy lifting is done for you.
HTH,
Rich
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