Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Julio Rojas]

What I suggested was for Gmail not for any particular OS. Sorry for
not being clear.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Murray Eisenberg  wrote:
> But only a fraction of folks use Unix/Linux!
>
> Julio Rojas wrote:
>>>
>>> Easy to do on a UNIX box with procmail; I do it all the time for other
>>> lists. But how do I do this with GMail which is what I use for reading
>>> "lyx
>>> users"? Their label scheme isn't as useful as Subject: line tags like
>>> [LyX].
>>
>> It's also easy. Besides of the tag, you can skip messages from "lyx
>> users" from the inbox:
>>
>> Matches: to:(lyx-users)
>> Do this: Skip Inbox, Apply label "Lyx"
>
>
> --
> Murray Eisenberg                     mur...@math.umass.edu
> Mathematics & Statistics Dept.
> Lederle Graduate Research Tower      phone 413 549-1020 (H)
> University of Massachusetts                413 545-2859 (W)
> 710 North Pleasant Street            fax   413 545-1801
> Amherst, MA 01003-9305
>

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Sam Liddicott]

* Murray Eisenberg wrote, On 11/09/09 14:45:
Likewise, I find no way to modify the header in Thunderbird (at least 
the Windows Version), which is a common e-mail client.


In Thunderbird, I can, of course, set up a filter which looks at the CC: 
field and sends any "lyx-users@lists.lyx.org" messages to a separate 
folder.


But I don't want to bury the messages to a separate folder. I merely 
want to be able to tell a a glance from the Subject field that LyX is 
the subject.



There is also the difference between knowing that a message was sent TO 
lyx-users and whether you received a message FROM lyx-users (or were 
sent it directly).


Sam

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Murray Eisenberg]

But only a fraction of folks use Unix/Linux!

Julio Rojas wrote:

Easy to do on a UNIX box with procmail; I do it all the time for other
lists. But how do I do this with GMail which is what I use for reading "lyx
users"? Their label scheme isn't as useful as Subject: line tags like [LyX].


It's also easy. Besides of the tag, you can skip messages from "lyx
users" from the inbox:

Matches: to:(lyx-users)
Do this: Skip Inbox, Apply label "Lyx"



--
Murray Eisenberg mur...@math.umass.edu
Mathematics & Statistics Dept.
Lederle Graduate Research Tower  phone 413 549-1020 (H)
University of Massachusetts413 545-2859 (W)
710 North Pleasant Streetfax   413 545-1801
Amherst, MA 01003-9305

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Murray Eisenberg]

Likewise, I find no way to modify the header in Thunderbird (at least 
the Windows Version), which is a common e-mail client.


In Thunderbird, I can, of course, set up a filter which looks at the CC: 
field and sends any "lyx-users@lists.lyx.org" messages to a separate folder.


But I don't want to bury the messages to a separate folder. I merely 
want to be able to tell a a glance from the Subject field that LyX is 
the subject.


Trevor Jenkins wrote:

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Helge Hafting  wrote:


Murray Eisenberg wrote:


I agree with the O.P. on this. This is something that, surely, is easily
fixed at the server end, so that each message going out from the server has,
say, "[LyX]" prepended to the subject.


But we don't want that, so please don't wreck it on the server.
If you want to see "[LyX]", set up your own mail software to
add this to the mail that gets delivered to you.


Easy to do on a UNIX box with procmail; I do it all the time for other
lists. But how do I do this with GMail which is what I use for reading "lyx
users"? Their label scheme isn't as useful as Subject: line tags like [LyX].



 Many other mailing lists do this. There should be no need for the

subscribers to have to filter.





And many other mailing lists don't mess with the subject. There should be
no need for users to suffer the messed-up headers.
Nobody _has_ to filter. If they want the mail in a single folder,
they can have that. Those of us who subscribe to several lists with some
volume, usually set up filtering to avoid a huge mess. And it'd be a huge
mess even if the subject fields were abused.

This list was created without subject manipulation, please just respect
that. I subscribe to some lists that do mangle the subject. I don't like it,
but I don't request a change. It is the list maintainter's choice to make.



Then you'd hate that on my Linux workstation I mung the headers of *all*
incoming mail from lists to set a Reply-to back to the list, which is what I
believe how *all* lists should be set up in the first place.Plus munging in
Subject: line tag. Once those messages are on my machine they are mine and
I'll do what ever I like to them. I don't care what or how the list owner
set it up on my Linux machines I'll force all those message to be the way I
expect them to be.

If only GMail were as flexible so the headers of messages to this list could
be munged with an explicit Reply-to: header.

Regards, Trevor.

<>< Re: deemed!



--
Murray Eisenberg mur...@math.umass.edu
Mathematics & Statistics Dept.
Lederle Graduate Research Tower  phone 413 549-1020 (H)
University of Massachusetts413 545-2859 (W)
710 North Pleasant Streetfax   413 545-1801
Amherst, MA 01003-9305

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Julio Rojas]

>>
> Easy to do on a UNIX box with procmail; I do it all the time for other
> lists. But how do I do this with GMail which is what I use for reading "lyx
> users"? Their label scheme isn't as useful as Subject: line tags like [LyX].

It's also easy. Besides of the tag, you can skip messages from "lyx
users" from the inbox:

Matches: to:(lyx-users)
Do this: Skip Inbox, Apply label "Lyx"
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Helge Hafting  wrote:

> Murray Eisenberg wrote:
>
>> I agree with the O.P. on this. This is something that, surely, is easily
>> fixed at the server end, so that each message going out from the server has,
>> say, "[LyX]" prepended to the subject.
>>
>
> But we don't want that, so please don't wreck it on the server.
> If you want to see "[LyX]", set up your own mail software to
> add this to the mail that gets delivered to you.
>
Easy to do on a UNIX box with procmail; I do it all the time for other
lists. But how do I do this with GMail which is what I use for reading "lyx
users"? Their label scheme isn't as useful as Subject: line tags like [LyX].


>  Many other mailing lists do this. There should be no need for the
>> subscribers to have to filter.
>
>

> And many other mailing lists don't mess with the subject. There should be
> no need for users to suffer the messed-up headers.
> Nobody _has_ to filter. If they want the mail in a single folder,
> they can have that. Those of us who subscribe to several lists with some
> volume, usually set up filtering to avoid a huge mess. And it'd be a huge
> mess even if the subject fields were abused.
>
> This list was created without subject manipulation, please just respect
> that. I subscribe to some lists that do mangle the subject. I don't like it,
> but I don't request a change. It is the list maintainter's choice to make.
>

Then you'd hate that on my Linux workstation I mung the headers of *all*
incoming mail from lists to set a Reply-to back to the list, which is what I
believe how *all* lists should be set up in the first place.Plus munging in
Subject: line tag. Once those messages are on my machine they are mine and
I'll do what ever I like to them. I don't care what or how the list owner
set it up on my Linux machines I'll force all those message to be the way I
expect them to be.

If only GMail were as flexible so the headers of messages to this list could
be munged with an explicit Reply-to: header.

Regards, Trevor.

<>< Re: deemed!

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Helge Hafting]

Murray Eisenberg wrote:
I agree with the O.P. on this. This is something that, surely, is easily 
fixed at the server end, so that each message going out from the server 
has, say, "[LyX]" prepended to the subject.


But we don't want that, so please don't wreck it on the server.
If you want to see "[LyX]", set up your own mail software to
add this to the mail that gets delivered to you.


Many other mailing lists do this. There should be no need for the 
subscribers to have to filter.


And many other mailing lists don't mess with the subject. There
should be no need for users to suffer the messed-up headers.
Nobody _has_ to filter. If they want the mail in a single folder,
they can have that. Those of us who subscribe to several lists with some
volume, usually set up filtering to avoid a huge mess. And it'd be a 
huge mess even if the subject fields were abused.


This list was created without subject manipulation, please just respect 
that. I subscribe to some lists that do mangle the subject. I don't like 
it, but I don't request a change. It is the list maintainter's choice to 
make.


Helge Hafting

Re: Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Todd Denniston]

Pavel Sanda wrote, On 12/23/-28158 02:59 PM:

Christian Ridderström wrote:

On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Manveru wrote:


2009/9/2 Murray Eisenberg :

I agree with the O.P. on this. This is something that, surely, is easily
fixed at the server end, so that each message going out from the server 
has,

say, "[LyX]" prepended to the subject.

There is many voices in favour of such feature. But not a lot of
people vote against. If may I suggest, maybe someone can create a
poll/survey for LyX users list subscribers.
I think the many voices that don't like it are tired of having this 
recurring discussion  ;-)


+1



+1 [subject line munging sucks (spaces from subjects :)] And my mail client works fine for sorting 
out messages based on 'To:', 'CC:' & envelop headers (List-* and Mailing-List)



--
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane)
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Manveru]

Hi LyXers,

I created a survey about explicit subject tagging:
http://surveys.polldaddy.com/s/F47471D51261D0F9/

Feel welcome to fill the answers.

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
gg: 1624001
  http://www.manveru.pl

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Pavel Sanda]

Christian Ridderström wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Manveru wrote:
>
>> 2009/9/2 Murray Eisenberg :
>>> I agree with the O.P. on this. This is something that, surely, is easily
>>> fixed at the server end, so that each message going out from the server 
>>> has,
>>> say, "[LyX]" prepended to the subject.
>>
>> There is many voices in favour of such feature. But not a lot of
>> people vote against. If may I suggest, maybe someone can create a
>> poll/survey for LyX users list subscribers.
>
> I think the many voices that don't like it are tired of having this 
> recurring discussion  ;-)

+1

> Personally I'm _agains_ adding something like [LyX] to the subject line. 
> But then, I read the list through a news interface.
>
> /Christian
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Christian Ridderström Mobile: +46-8 768 39 44

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 03/09/2009 19:46, Andre Poenitz a écrit :

I have 42 characters for the subject, given that most messages are
marked with (at least one) 'Re: ', a '[LyX] ' prefix eats 15% of
the available space, for useless 'information'.


Especially since we need [LyX Devel], [LyX Users], etc.

JMarc

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Andre Poenitz]

On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 04:13:14PM +0200, Manveru wrote:
> 2009/9/2 Murray Eisenberg :
> > I agree with the O.P. on this. This is something that, surely, is easily
> > fixed at the server end, so that each message going out from the server has,
> > say, "[LyX]" prepended to the subject.
> 
> There is many voices in favour of such feature. But not a lot of
> people vote against.

I my case mainly because I don't want to waste time to re-iterate
old discussions, twice a year...

I have 42 characters for the subject, given that most messages are
marked with (at least one) 'Re: ', a '[LyX] ' prefix eats 15% of
the available space, for useless 'information'.

Andre'

Re : [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Delta moins]

Hello,
Sorry if the subject was already and recurrently treated in the list. As I 
said, I'm new so I didn't know.
In fact, I filter by the "To" field and it works perfectly with Yahoo webmail 
so my problem is solved. Once again I should have think a bit before sending my 
request on the list...
Thanks for the responses.

Yves




>> Hello everybody, I'm registred to this mailing list for few weeks and I'm 
>> very surprised about one thing : there is no keyword in the mail subject 
>> that tell people "this comes from the Lyx users list".

> If you look at the details in the email you will find list information which 
> you should be able to your mail client to use.

  As long as I've subscribed to this mail list, all messages have the
subject line prefixed with [Lyx]. Perhaps that's because all I've used is
procmail and (al)pine as my MUA, but it's always been there.

Rich

-- Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |  IntegrityCredibility
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|Innovation
 Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863



  

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Christian Ridderstr?m wrote:

Hello everybody, I'm registred to this mailing list for few weeks and I'm 
very surprised about one thing : there is no keyword in the mail subject 
that tell people "this comes from the Lyx users list".


If you look at the details in the email you will find list information which 
you should be able to your mail client to use.


  As long as I've subscribed to this mail list, all messages have the
subject line prefixed with [Lyx]. Perhaps that's because all I've used is
procmail and (al)pine as my MUA, but it's always been there.

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |  IntegrityCredibility
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|Innovation
 Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Christian Ridderström]

On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Sam Liddicott wrote:


* Paul A. Rubin wrote, On 02/09/09 15:57:

I understand there are some concerns about tampering with the subject
line (and what happens when replies and forwards occur).

What about creating a LyX-specific header (X-LyX: userlist or X-LyX:
developerlist or whatever)?  Will the list mailer (and GMANE, which is
where I get my feed) support custom headers?  It's easy enough to filter
on them in any mail client I've used.



Alas, not on my mail server. I can filter on many standard headers (like
List-ID) but not any custom header.


Hi Sam,

I've been going through this thread quickly, but I got the impression you 
had some problems in creating a filter with the software that you use. How 
about using gmane? Either the web interface or it's news interface. Maybe 
your client works well with news?


Best regards and hope this helps
/Christian

--
Christian Ridderström   Mobile: +46-8 768 39 44

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Christian Ridderström]

On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Manveru wrote:


2009/9/2 Murray Eisenberg :

I agree with the O.P. on this. This is something that, surely, is easily
fixed at the server end, so that each message going out from the server has,
say, "[LyX]" prepended to the subject.


There is many voices in favour of such feature. But not a lot of
people vote against. If may I suggest, maybe someone can create a
poll/survey for LyX users list subscribers.


I think the many voices that don't like it are tired of having this 
recurring discussion  ;-)


Personally I'm _agains_ adding something like [LyX] to the subject line. 
But then, I read the list through a news interface.


/Christian





--
Christian Ridderström   Mobile: +46-8 768 39 44

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Christian Ridderström]

On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Delta moins wrote:

Hello everybody, I'm registred to this mailing list for few weeks and 
I'm very surprised about one thing : there is no keyword in the mail 
subject that tell people "this comes from the Lyx users list". It's very 
messing because you cannot filter the mails efficiently. In addition 
sometimes, mail subject is not so easy to link with Lyx so organising 
the mail box is not so easy. I don't know if it should be done 
automaticaly by the list system or if people that send mail should add 
something like I've done for example manually. It's a pity because 
informations in the mails are often very interesting :-) It was just a 
remark to improve this list.


Hi,

If you look at the details in the email you will find list information 
which you should be able to your mail client to use.


Or you can read this list through a news interface, or through the gmane 
site.


/Christian

PS. As an aside, this is one of the more frequent questions. Has anyone 
added it to the FAQ on the wiki?



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Christian Ridderström   Mobile: +46-8 768 39 44

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Paul A. Rubin]

Sam Liddicott wrote:

* Paul A. Rubin wrote, On 02/09/09 15:57:

I understand there are some concerns about tampering with the subject
line (and what happens when replies and forwards occur).

What about creating a LyX-specific header (X-LyX: userlist or X-LyX:
developerlist or whatever)?  Will the list mailer (and GMANE, which is
where I get my feed) support custom headers?  It's easy enough to filter
on them in any mail client I've used.



Alas, not on my mail server. I can filter on many standard headers (like
List-ID) but not any custom header.



You filter on the server?  I filter on the client (Thunderbird in my 
case, but I'm pretty sure custom headers worked in Eudora too).  For 
instance, I use the PoPFile spam filter, which writes a custom header 
that T-bird uses to send suspected spam to a designated folder.


Filtering on the server won't work for most people, because they won't 
have control over the server.  But filtering on the client side whould 
work as long as the client can read all headers (and the server doesn't 
remove the header -- don't think I've ever heard of that happening).


/Paul

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Sam Liddicott]

* Paul A. Rubin wrote, On 02/09/09 15:57:
> I understand there are some concerns about tampering with the subject
> line (and what happens when replies and forwards occur).
> 
> What about creating a LyX-specific header (X-LyX: userlist or X-LyX:
> developerlist or whatever)?  Will the list mailer (and GMANE, which is
> where I get my feed) support custom headers?  It's easy enough to filter
> on them in any mail client I've used.


Alas, not on my mail server. I can filter on many standard headers (like
List-ID) but not any custom header.

Sam

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Paul A. Rubin]

Delta moins wrote:

Hello everybody,
I'm registred to this mailing list for few weeks and I'm very surprised about one thing : 
there is no keyword in the mail subject that tell people "this comes from the Lyx 
users list". It's very messing because you cannot filter the mails efficiently. In 
addition sometimes, mail subject is not so easy to link with Lyx so organising the mail 
box is not so easy.
I don't know if it should be done automaticaly by the list system or if people 
that send mail should add something like I've done for example manually.
It's a pity because informations in the mails are often very interesting :-)
It was just a remark to improve this list.
Yves



I understand there are some concerns about tampering with the subject 
line (and what happens when replies and forwards occur).


What about creating a LyX-specific header (X-LyX: userlist or X-LyX: 
developerlist or whatever)?  Will the list mailer (and GMANE, which is 
where I get my feed) support custom headers?  It's easy enough to filter 
on them in any mail client I've used.


/Paul

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Andrew Sullivan]

On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 10:44:00AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> I agree with you and have been saying so for years. But even the Mailman 
> software suggest replies go to the individual instead of the list. So much 
> for> collaboration.

Mailman might be relying on the faint hope that mail user agents
actually used the List-Post header for a "reply-to-list" function.
Mailman doesn't prevent that.

What mailman is suggesting is that you not set the Reply-To header to
the list.  The reason for that is because if list participants have
already set the Reply-To, a new Reply-To set by the list overwrites
the original mailer's Reply-To, and information is thereby lost.

My mail user agent (mutt) binds the "l" key to "reply-to-list", so
that when I want to reply just to the list, as in this case, I can.
Part of the reason I continue to use mutt on my Mac, despite some
inconveniences I've experienced under OS X 10.5, is this list-reply
feature, which I find very helpful (and which Apple Mail doesn't
provide).

I suspect we're well off-topic for this list now, however, so I'll
shut up.

A

-- 
Andrew Sullivan
a...@shinkuro.com
Shinkuro, Inc.

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 02 September 2009 04:53:28 A B wrote:

> I thought it was an unwritte rule: reply to the list, not the list AND
> an explicit email adress (unless they ask to) Or have I got this
> completly wrong?

You're somewhat wrong. On many mailing lists, the custom is to reply to the 
list and also to the individual, thereby creating the equivalent of junk mail. 
It's ugly. Me, I just leave my "reply to" blank and let the list handle it.

> Sending a personal reply on a question that might interest more people
> on the list is not optmal.

I agree with you and have been saying so for years. But even the Mailman 
software suggest replies go to the individual instead of the list. So much for 
collaboration.

SteveT

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 02 September 2009 04:33:07 Sam Liddicott wrote:
> * Delta moins wrote, On 02/09/09 09:28:
> > Ok I knew this solution and yeah it works. I will use it.
> > If I'm the only for who an explicit mail subject lacks it's ok.
>
> You're not the only one. I heartily wish it had a list-id header.
>
> Sam

I'm on about 10 or 15 mailing lists, and the LyX mailing lists are the only 
ones that don't have something like [LyX-Users] in the subject.

SteveT

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Manveru]

2009/9/2 Murray Eisenberg :
> I agree with the O.P. on this. This is something that, surely, is easily
> fixed at the server end, so that each message going out from the server has,
> say, "[LyX]" prepended to the subject.

There is many voices in favour of such feature. But not a lot of
people vote against. If may I suggest, maybe someone can create a
poll/survey for LyX users list subscribers.

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
 gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Murray Eisenberg]

I agree with the O.P. on this. This is something that, surely, is easily 
fixed at the server end, so that each message going out from the server 
has, say, "[LyX]" prepended to the subject.


Many other mailing lists do this. There should be no need for the 
subscribers to have to filter.


Manveru wrote:

2009/9/2 Delta moins :

Hello everybody,
I'm registred to this mailing list for few weeks and I'm very surprised about one thing : 
there is no keyword in the mail subject that tell people "this comes from the Lyx 
users list". It's very messing because you cannot filter the mails efficiently. In 
addition sometimes, mail subject is not so easy to link with Lyx so organising the mail 
box is not so easy.
I don't know if it should be done automaticaly by the list system or if people 
that send mail should add something like I've done for example manually.
It's a pity because informations in the mails are often very interesting :-)
It was just a remark to improve this list.


Just sort or filter your e-mails by From: field from header of your
mails. All e-mail clients support this. At least all good e-mail
clients.



--
Murray Eisenberg mur...@math.umass.edu
Mathematics & Statistics Dept.
Lederle Graduate Research Tower  phone 413 549-1020 (H)
University of Massachusetts413 545-2859 (W)
710 North Pleasant Streetfax   413 545-1801
Amherst, MA 01003-9305

Re: Re : [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Sam Liddicott]

* Andrew Sullivan wrote, On 02/09/09 14:10:
> On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 11:38:02AM +0100, Sam Liddicott wrote:
>> The Delivered-To: header is not the same as the list-id header - I'm
>> more interested in how the message reached me (via the list or not),
>> Delivered-To: signifies something else, and my mail server does not
>> support it.
>>
>> http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2919.html
> 
> In another message, I referred to that, and I think I'd incorrectly
> believed there's a List-Id header on this list.  You're right that
> there isn't.
> 
> But you can cheat.  The list _does_ provide RFC2369 headers, and
> they're just as good for this purpose.  Evidently that's what I'm
> doing, since this all sorts nicely for me.


yeah; sadly Citadel mail server has support for list-id, but not the rest.

Sam

Re: Re : [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Andrew Sullivan]

On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 11:38:02AM +0100, Sam Liddicott wrote:
> The Delivered-To: header is not the same as the list-id header - I'm
> more interested in how the message reached me (via the list or not),
> Delivered-To: signifies something else, and my mail server does not
> support it.
> 
> http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2919.html

In another message, I referred to that, and I think I'd incorrectly
believed there's a List-Id header on this list.  You're right that
there isn't.

But you can cheat.  The list _does_ provide RFC2369 headers, and
they're just as good for this purpose.  Evidently that's what I'm
doing, since this all sorts nicely for me.

A

-- 
Andrew Sullivan
a...@shinkuro.com
Shinkuro, Inc.

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Andrew Sullivan]

On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 08:11:26AM +, Delta moins wrote:

> that tell people "this comes from the Lyx users list". It's very
> messing because you cannot filter the mails efficiently. 

Yes, you can.  This is what List-*: headers are for.  This very topic
came up not a month ago on this list.

Almost every mail list in the world now uses the List-*: headers,
which were standardised by the IETF exactly so that list management
could be easier and more automated.  In the unlikely event you want
more details, please see RFC 2919, .

A
-- 
Andrew Sullivan
a...@shinkuro.com
Shinkuro, Inc.

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Ethan Metsger]

On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 04:40:44 -0400, Sam Liddicott   
wrote:



Your message has:
From: "Manveru" 
which is not helpful.


I've been using Opera mail for a long time, which automatically sorts out  
mailing list mail.  But I note the following headers:


Mailing-List: contact lyx-users-h...@lists.lyx.org; run by ezmlm
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
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It should be possible to look at any one of them to decide that you're  
dealing with LyX-related mail; if you don't receive it from the mailing  
list, presumably these headers should be missing, and you'll have it in  
the main inbox (or other filter of your choice).



Best,

Ethan
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Re: Re : [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Kornel Benko]

Am Wednesday 02 September 2009 schrieb Sam Liddicott:
> * Kornel Benko wrote, On 02/09/09 10:33:
> > Am Wednesday 02 September 2009 schrieb Sam Liddicott:
> >> * Delta moins wrote, On 02/09/09 09:28:
> >>> Ok I knew this solution and yeah it works. I will use it.
> >>> If I'm the only for who an explicit mail subject lacks it's ok.
> >>
> >> You're not the only one. I heartily wish it had a list-id header.
> > 
> > It has, I am using this one:
> > Delivered-To: mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> 
> The Delivered-To: header is not the same as the list-id header - I'm
> more interested in how the message reached me (via the list or not),
> Delivered-To: signifies something else, and my mail server does not
> support it.

In this list it is indication of sending via the lyx-us...@lists.lyx.org.

> http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2919.html
> 
> Sam
> 

Kornel

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Re: Re : [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Helge Hafting]

Delta moins wrote:

Ok I knew this solution and yeah it works. I will use it.
If I'm the only for who an explicit mail subject lacks it's ok.


There are more who wants this, but also quite a few who don't want it. 
The mail can be sorted by other headers than "Subject".
Once the lyx mailing list arrives in a folder of its own anyway, having 
"[LyX] in every subject becomes somewhat irritating.



Helge Hafting

Re: Re : [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Sam Liddicott]

* Kornel Benko wrote, On 02/09/09 10:33:
> Am Wednesday 02 September 2009 schrieb Sam Liddicott:
>> * Delta moins wrote, On 02/09/09 09:28:
>>> Ok I knew this solution and yeah it works. I will use it.
>>> If I'm the only for who an explicit mail subject lacks it's ok.
>>
>> You're not the only one. I heartily wish it had a list-id header.
> 
> It has, I am using this one:
> Delivered-To: mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org

The Delivered-To: header is not the same as the list-id header - I'm
more interested in how the message reached me (via the list or not),
Delivered-To: signifies something else, and my mail server does not
support it.

http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2919.html

Sam

Re: Re : [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Kornel Benko]

Am Wednesday 02 September 2009 schrieb Sam Liddicott:
> * Delta moins wrote, On 02/09/09 09:28:
> > Ok I knew this solution and yeah it works. I will use it.
> > If I'm the only for who an explicit mail subject lacks it's ok.
> 
> 
> You're not the only one. I heartily wish it had a list-id header.

It has, I am using this one:
Delivered-To: mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org

> 
> Sam
> 

Kornel

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offtopic Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Sam Liddicott]

* A B wrote, On 02/09/09 09:53:
>> Your message has:
>>
>> From: "Manveru" 
>>
>> which is not helpful.
>>
>> I'm currently sorting based on To: or Cc: having lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
>> which sadly also selects messages that were emailed to me.
>>
>> I'll have to have my sorting rules like this:
>>
>> 1. sort all list-id mailing lists
>> 2. select all messages To: or Cc: me
>> 3. sort all To: Cc: mailing lists
>>
>> and that still won't catch Bcc messages to me (or Lyx).
>>
>> So I just sort based on to or cc and swear and cuss from time to time
>> about the Lyx mailing list not supporting list-id header; and generally
>> fail to notice messages also sent directly to me as it's a thread I'm
>> involved in.
>>
>> Sam
>>
> 
> The subject can be messed up when some programs keep adding Re: or
>  to the subject and the id
> header has to be added by the list server because there are those that
> forget to add the header.

sure, list-id should be added by the list server.

> I thought it was an unwritte rule: reply to the list, not the list AND
> an explicit email adress (unless they ask to) Or have I got this
> completly wrong?

Unwritten rules aren't rules; I generally do reply-to-all which is the
natural way to reply to all people. For most of my mailing lists it
means that the named recipients get their message from me, and the
mailing list suppresses the message to them as they are already listed
in the Cc or To headers -- although some mailing lists don't do that.

> Sending a personal reply on a question that might interest more people
> on the list is not optmal.

For sure, I don't generally do that.

Sam

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[A B]

> Your message has:
>
> From: "Manveru" 
>
> which is not helpful.
>
> I'm currently sorting based on To: or Cc: having lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> which sadly also selects messages that were emailed to me.
>
> I'll have to have my sorting rules like this:
>
> 1. sort all list-id mailing lists
> 2. select all messages To: or Cc: me
> 3. sort all To: Cc: mailing lists
>
> and that still won't catch Bcc messages to me (or Lyx).
>
> So I just sort based on to or cc and swear and cuss from time to time
> about the Lyx mailing list not supporting list-id header; and generally
> fail to notice messages also sent directly to me as it's a thread I'm
> involved in.
>
> Sam
>

The subject can be messed up when some programs keep adding Re: or
 to the subject and the id
header has to be added by the list server because there are those that
forget to add the header.

I thought it was an unwritte rule: reply to the list, not the list AND
an explicit email adress (unless they ask to) Or have I got this
completly wrong?
Sending a personal reply on a question that might interest more people
on the list is not optmal.

Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Sam Liddicott]

* Manveru wrote, On 02/09/09 09:18:
> 2009/9/2 Delta moins :
>> Hello everybody,
>> I'm registred to this mailing list for few weeks and I'm very surprised 
>> about one thing : there is no keyword in the mail subject that tell people 
>> "this comes from the Lyx users list". It's very messing because you cannot 
>> filter the mails efficiently. In addition sometimes, mail subject is not so 
>> easy to link with Lyx so organising the mail box is not so easy.
>> I don't know if it should be done automaticaly by the list system or if 
>> people that send mail should add something like I've done for example 
>> manually.
>> It's a pity because informations in the mails are often very interesting :-)
>> It was just a remark to improve this list.
> 
> Just sort or filter your e-mails by From: field from header of your
> mails. All e-mail clients support this. At least all good e-mail
> clients.

Your message has:

From: "Manveru" 

which is not helpful.

I'm currently sorting based on To: or Cc: having lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
which sadly also selects messages that were emailed to me.

I'll have to have my sorting rules like this:

1. sort all list-id mailing lists
2. select all messages To: or Cc: me
3. sort all To: Cc: mailing lists

and that still won't catch Bcc messages to me (or Lyx).

So I just sort based on to or cc and swear and cuss from time to time
about the Lyx mailing list not supporting list-id header; and generally
fail to notice messages also sent directly to me as it's a thread I'm
involved in.

Sam

Re: Re : [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Sam Liddicott]

* Delta moins wrote, On 02/09/09 09:28:
> Ok I knew this solution and yeah it works. I will use it.
> If I'm the only for who an explicit mail subject lacks it's ok.


You're not the only one. I heartily wish it had a list-id header.

Sam

Re : [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Delta moins]

Ok I knew this solution and yeah it works. I will use it.
If I'm the only for who an explicit mail subject lacks it's ok.
Yves





De : Manveru 
À : Delta moins 
Cc : lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Envoyé le : Mercredi, 2 Septembre 2009, 10h18mn 35s
Objet : Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

2009/9/2 Delta moins :
> Hello everybody,
> I'm registred to this mailing list for few weeks and I'm very surprised about 
> one thing : there is no keyword in the mail subject that tell people "this 
> comes from the Lyx users list". It's very messing because you cannot filter 
> the mails efficiently. In addition sometimes, mail subject is not so easy to 
> link with Lyx so organising the mail box is not so easy.
> I don't know if it should be done automaticaly by the list system or if 
> people that send mail should add something like I've done for example 
> manually.
> It's a pity because informations in the mails are often very interesting :-)
> It was just a remark to improve this list.

Just sort or filter your e-mails by From: field from header of your
mails. All e-mail clients support this. At least all good e-mail
clients.

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
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Re: [Lyx] explicit mail subject

[Manveru]

2009/9/2 Delta moins :
> Hello everybody,
> I'm registred to this mailing list for few weeks and I'm very surprised about 
> one thing : there is no keyword in the mail subject that tell people "this 
> comes from the Lyx users list". It's very messing because you cannot filter 
> the mails efficiently. In addition sometimes, mail subject is not so easy to 
> link with Lyx so organising the mail box is not so easy.
> I don't know if it should be done automaticaly by the list system or if 
> people that send mail should add something like I've done for example 
> manually.
> It's a pity because informations in the mails are often very interesting :-)
> It was just a remark to improve this list.

Just sort or filter your e-mails by From: field from header of your
mails. All e-mail clients support this. At least all good e-mail
clients.

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
 gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl