Re: Copying and pasting equations from LyX into other packages?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 04/12/2022 à 12:43, oliver.b...@maths.ox.ac.uk a écrit :

Hello,

Does LyX have an option to copy and paste a piece of LaTeX code in raw 
format, i.e. removing any trace of macros that were used to generate the 
code?


Hello,

This functionality does not exist yet, but indeed it would be doable 
(either pasting, or transforming an expression in place).


I would like to be able to use a command to copy and paste the LaTeX 
code for the equation /as it is formatted/, so that any traces of the 
macros in the source code are removed in doing so.  I use LyX all the 
time for my mathematical typesetting work and I have found macros to be 
extremely useful, but the downside of this is that the equations cannot 
be pasted into other software without some way of defining the macros or 
creating preambles in those packages. The other software packages I have 
in mind are ones that have a plugin to support LaTeX but aren’t designed 
with it in mind (e.g. GeoGebra, Blender, InkScape etc.).


Are there any plans to implement such a feature (and how much would it 
cost to implement such a feature if not)?


There are no current plans for that, that I know of. Indeed, paying 
someone to do it may help to materialize it sooner. I suggest that you 
create a ticket on www.lyx.org/trac. I will forward it to the developers 
list to try to find someone willing to implement it.


JMarc

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Copying and pasting equations from LyX into other packages?

[oliver.bond]

Hello,

 

Does LyX have an option to copy and paste a piece of LaTeX code in raw
format, i.e. removing any trace of macros that were used to generate the
code?

 

For an example of what I mean, I have a piece of documentation in LyX where
the code is given by 

 

0=\dfrac{\partial^{2}\inTheSolid{\dimensionless A}}{\partial\dimensionless
x^{2}}+\dfrac{\partial^{2}\inTheSolid{\dimensionless
A}}{\partial\dimensionless y^{2}}

 

where inTheSolid and dimensionless are both macros (which themselves depend
on other macros) created so that the text looks like this:

 



 

I would like to be able to use a command to copy and paste the LaTeX code
for the equation as it is formatted, so that any traces of the macros in the
source code are removed in doing so.  I use LyX all the time for my
mathematical typesetting work and I have found macros to be extremely
useful, but the downside of this is that the equations cannot be pasted into
other software without some way of defining the macros or creating preambles
in those packages. The other software packages I have in mind are ones that
have a plugin to support LaTeX but aren't designed with it in mind (e.g.
GeoGebra, Blender, InkScape etc.).

 

Are there any plans to implement such a feature (and how much would it cost
to implement such a feature if not)?

 

Best regards,

- Oliver Bond.

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Re: Packages: actuarialsymbol, actuarialangle

[Daniel]

On 07/07/2022 02:19, William Szuch wrote:

Hi

I am new to LaTex/MiKTeX and Lyx.

I have loaded MiKTeX and LyX 2.3.61

I have also installed the packages:

      actuarialsymbols

 actuarialangle

in MiKTeX to create actuarial symbols.

How do I use these packages in LyX?

eg: \actsymbol{A}{x}

*Regards*

*_Bill _*


Hi Bill,

If you want to use a package that is not internally supported by LyX, 
you have to add it manually in the preamble and put the desired command 
into a TeX Code inset (aka ERT).


Add the package to the preamble:
1. Select "Settings" in the "Document" menu which opens the "Document 
Settings" dialog.

2. In the dialog, select "LaTeX Preamble" on the left side and put

\usepackage{actuarialsymbols}
\usepackage{actuarialangle}

3. Press "OK" in the dialog.

Put the command into a TeX Code inset:
1. Put the cursor where you want to add the command in your document.
2. Insert "TeX Code" from the "Insert" menu (there is also a shortcut 
indicated next to the menu which allows you to do this quicker).

3. In TeX Code inset (red box) add your command, e.g. \actsymbol{A}{x}.

Daniel


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Packages: actuarialsymbol, actuarialangle

[William Szuch]

Hi
I am new to LaTex/MiKTeX and Lyx.
I have loaded MiKTeX and LyX 2.3.61
I have also installed the packages:
 actuarialsymbols
actuarialangle
in MiKTeX to create actuarial symbols.

How do I use these packages in LyX?
eg: \actsymbol{A}{x}


Regards
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Re: using latex poetry/verse packages in lyx

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 11/12/19 9:21 AM, mousebot wrote:
> hi lyx users,
>
> i'm pretty new to lyx and latex and im interested in both for typsetting
> poetry for the moment.
>
> my question is regarding latex packages in lyx.
>
> with gummi i can use gmverse, verse, poemscol, poetry etc. packages by
> \usepackage{packagename}
> which enables the extra functionality provided by these packages.
>
> is there an equivalent with lyx? 

In a way, yes, but you need to tell LyX about these new environments.
This is done using 'layout' code. In your case, LyX's "modules" are
probably what you are looking for. Very roughly, they tell LyX about the
capabilities of LaTeX packages and can be loaded, optionally, as
required. (That isn't entirely accurate, but it is close enough for
now.) These are described in Chapter  5 of the customization manual, but
the best way to learn about them, really, is just to look at the
existing ones that are installed with LyX. You might look at
shapepar.module, pdfcomment.module, and similar packages, which provide
a lot of different features.

Riki



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using latex poetry/verse packages in lyx

[mousebot]

hi lyx users,

i'm pretty new to lyx and latex and im interested in both for typsetting
poetry for the moment.

my question is regarding latex packages in lyx.

with gummi i can use gmverse, verse, poemscol, poetry etc. packages by
\usepackage{packagename}
which enables the extra functionality provided by these packages.

is there an equivalent with lyx? i know i can manually add them into the
latex preabmle, but what i can't work out is if lyx supports the
specific functionality they provide.

if not it wd seem that laying out poetry wd be more simple in a bare
latex editor than in lyx, which seems pretty unfortunate.


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Re: Axiom missing in theorem packages

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 7/26/19 2:22 PM, Marius Shekow wrote:


Hi,

I've noticed that when adding some theorem module (in the document 
settings), there are many new environments available in the layout 
dropdown menu, such as Corollary or Theorem. However, for some reason 
you forgot (?) /axiom/, which is a bit funny, given that it is the 
most basic element there is


Am I missing something? I've been using LyX for years, and time and 
time again after each update I have to fix the .inc and .module files 
myself (which are overwritten by the update), so I figured I'd report 
this oversight.


Best regards!
Marius

If you add the Theorems (AMS) and Theorems (AMS-Extended) modules, you 
will get both Axiom and Axiom*.


Paul

Axiom missing in theorem packages

[Marius Shekow]

Hi,

I've noticed that when adding some theorem module (in the document
settings), there are many new environments available in the layout
dropdown menu, such as Corollary or Theorem. However, for some reason
you forgot (?) /axiom/, which is a bit funny, given that it is the most
basic element there is

Am I missing something? I've been using LyX for years, and time and time
again after each update I have to fix the .inc and .module files myself
(which are overwritten by the update), so I figured I'd report this
oversight.

Best regards!
Marius

Re: Fwd: Ubuntu packages?

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 10/01/2018 06:41 PM, Chris Menzel wrote:
> Thanks, Riki, I've built LyX in the past but it's been years! (Have
> recently returned to Linux after many years on OS X/macOS.) Offer of
> help appreciated. 2.3.0-1 is currently fine, but will endeavor to
> build it myself as soon as it seems at all necessary or advantageous.

It really is very easy, and (honestly) it is of great help to us when
people use the stable development branch for regular work. It's meant to
be very stable, and normally is, but there are times we make mistakes.
These tend to become clear pretty quickly. And if one is building
oneself, it's always possible, if a 'mistake' arises, to step back to
some previous version.

Riki

Re: Fwd: Ubuntu packages?

[Chris Menzel]

Thanks, Riki, I've built LyX in the past but it's been years! (Have
recently returned to Linux after many years on OS X/macOS.) Offer of help
appreciated. 2.3.0-1 is currently fine, but will endeavor to build it
myself as soon as it seems at all necessary or advantageous.

-chris

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 1:36 PM Richard Kimberly Heck  wrote:

> On 10/1/18 1:12 PM, Chris Menzel wrote:
>
> Dear selfless and heroic LyX developers,
>
> I have noticed that the most recent version of LyX for Ubuntu is 2.3.0-1
> and (according to the PPA
> ) that version
> was uploaded last March. I'm just wondering if this indicates that
> maintenance of the Ubuntu port is stalled or if (as I suspect) other
> obligations are (understandably) simply not allowing the maintainer time to
> compile and package up the latest version.
>
> Liviu Andronic has provided a PPA for LyX for a while now, but I haven't
> seen him on the list for a little while.
>
> Note that it is pretty easy to build LyX yourself on Linux. I can give
> instructions if you need them. The main thing is just getting the build
> dependencies installed. I think "apt-get build-deps lyx" will do that,
> though I'm not sure if that gives you Qt4 or Qt5.
>
> RKH
>
>
>

Re: Fwd: Ubuntu packages?

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 10/1/18 1:12 PM, Chris Menzel wrote:
> Dear selfless and heroic LyX developers,
>
> I have noticed that the most recent version of LyX for Ubuntu is
> 2.3.0-1 and (according to the PPA
> ) that
> version was uploaded last March. I'm just wondering if this indicates
> that maintenance of the Ubuntu port is stalled or if (as I suspect)
> other obligations are (understandably) simply not allowing the
> maintainer time to compile and package up the latest version.

Liviu Andronic has provided a PPA for LyX for a while now, but I haven't
seen him on the list for a little while.

Note that it is pretty easy to build LyX yourself on Linux. I can give
instructions if you need them. The main thing is just getting the build
dependencies installed. I think "apt-get build-deps lyx" will do that,
though I'm not sure if that gives you Qt4 or Qt5.

RKH

Fwd: Ubuntu packages?

[Chris Menzel]

Dear LyX users,

I sent the following to the LyX developers list a couple of days ago but
got no response. Perhaps folks on the users list have some info they can
share.

Chris Menzel

-- Forwarded message -
Dear selfless and heroic LyX developers,

I have noticed that the most recent version of LyX for Ubuntu is 2.3.0-1
and (according to the PPA
) that version
was uploaded last March. I'm just wondering if this indicates that
maintenance of the Ubuntu port is stalled or if (as I suspect) other
obligations are (understandably) simply not allowing the maintainer time to
compile and package up the latest version.

Thanks!

Chris Menzel

Re: How to Prevent "Non-math" Packages from Automatic Loading?

[Joel Kulesza]

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:19 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller  wrote:

> Am Donnerstag, den 12.07.2018, 09:10 -0600 schrieb Joel Kulesza:
> > Colleagues,
> >
> > Is there a recommended way to prevent arbitrary packages from being
> > automatically loaded by LyX?
>
> Provides  1
>
> in Document > Local Layout.
>

Excellent, thank you for the quick reply.  Generally, this approach serves
me better (my MWE is quite M versus my actual application); however, the
other approach is confirmed equally valid.

Thanks again,
Joel

Re: How to Prevent "Non-math" Packages from Automatic Loading?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Am Donnerstag, den 12.07.2018, 09:10 -0600 schrieb Joel Kulesza:
> Colleagues,
> 
> Is there a recommended way to prevent arbitrary packages from being
> automatically loaded by LyX?

Provides  1

in Document > Local Layout.

> Example: I have a document with change tracking that I need to
> manually load 
> 
> \usepackage[table]{xcolor} 
> 
> but showing tracked changes adds 
> 
> \usepackage{xcolor}
> 
> to the preamble.
> 
> This results in package option conflicts (on OS X 10.11.6 with LyX
> 2.2.3 and 2.3.0).

In this particular case, you could also, instead of loading xcolor
manually in the preamble, specify in Local Layout:

PackageOptions xcolor table
Requires xcolor

This will load the package with the desired option right from the
start.

Jürgen 

> 
> MWE attached.  Toggle "show changes in output" to see the symptoms.
> 
> I know of Document -> Settings -> Math Options, but only certain
> packages are listed.  Is there somewhere else that I can blacklist
> arbitrary packages to override LyX and perform my own management (at
> my own risk)?
> 
> Thank you,
> Joel

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How to Prevent "Non-math" Packages from Automatic Loading?

[Joel Kulesza]

Colleagues,

Is there a recommended way to prevent arbitrary packages from being
automatically loaded by LyX?

Example: I have a document with change tracking that I need to manually
load

\usepackage[table]{xcolor}

but showing tracked changes adds

\usepackage{xcolor}

to the preamble.

This results in package option conflicts (on OS X 10.11.6 with LyX 2.2.3
and 2.3.0).

MWE attached.  Toggle "show changes in output" to see the symptoms.

I know of Document -> Settings -> Math Options, but only certain packages
are listed.  Is there somewhere else that I can blacklist arbitrary
packages to override LyX and perform my own management (at my own risk)?

Thank you,
Joel


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Re: Required packages

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 07.01.2017 um 16:24 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:


The problem was a bug in MiKTeX's installer: It did not work unless one
added something to the proxy field


This is now fixed. I therefore released a new Windows installer 
including the fixed MiKTeX:

http://ftp.lyx.de/LyX%202.2.2/
(will soon be at lyx.org as well)


To fix this, open the program
MiKTeX update (admin)
There click on the button "Connection settings" and use the option to
use a proxy. As address just type in "test". (Port is 8080) and press OK.


If MiKTeX update tells you now that it cannot find the proxy, remove 
this setting and don't use a proxy.


regards Uwe

Re: Fwd: Re: Required packages

[Andrew Parsloe]

On 8/01/2017 4:24 a.m., Uwe Stöhr wrote:


Am 07.01.2017 um 10:06 schrieb Andrew Parsloe:


I recently needed to re-install MiKTeX. I chose the basic package to
make the download manageable, but it installs nothing like all the
packages that LyX uses. For additional packages I was guided by the
packages listed under Help > LaTeX Configuration, and then by the
packages listed in the yellow notes at the start of some of the LyX
docs. However this is still inadequate for compiling the LyX docs.


The problem was a bug in MiKTeX's installer: It did not work unless one
added something to the proxy field. To fix this, open the program

MiKTeX update (admin)

There click on the button "Connection settings" and use the option to
use a proxy. As address just type in "test". (Port is 8080) and press OK.
Now continue the updating.

Afterwards MiKTeX should be in shape again. Now you can log in ad Admin
in Windows, open LyX and reconfigure LyX. Now all necessary packages to
compile all LyX documentation files should be installed.

If this fails, please report back.

regards Uwe

p.s. for further MiKTeX updates you could remove the dummy proxy "test"
and do it without any proxy.

Thank you Uwe. I had read about the need for the proxy business and 
found that it worked. I work offline most of the time and my point in 
the original post was really about what packages are needed to compile 
the LyX docs. LyX's own list at Help > LaTeX Configuration and the 
yellow notes at the start of some of the LyX docs still leave out quite 
a number of packages needed for the docs to compile.


Andrew

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Fwd: Re: Required packages

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 07.01.2017 um 10:06 schrieb Andrew Parsloe:


I recently needed to re-install MiKTeX. I chose the basic package to
make the download manageable, but it installs nothing like all the
packages that LyX uses. For additional packages I was guided by the
packages listed under Help > LaTeX Configuration, and then by the
packages listed in the yellow notes at the start of some of the LyX
docs. However this is still inadequate for compiling the LyX docs.


The problem was a bug in MiKTeX's installer: It did not work unless one 
added something to the proxy field. To fix this, open the program


MiKTeX update (admin)

There click on the button "Connection settings" and use the option to 
use a proxy. As address just type in "test". (Port is 8080) and press OK.

Now continue the updating.

Afterwards MiKTeX should be in shape again. Now you can log in ad Admin 
in Windows, open LyX and reconfigure LyX. Now all necessary packages to 
compile all LyX documentation files should be installed.


If this fails, please report back.

regards Uwe

p.s. for further MiKTeX updates you could remove the dummy proxy "test" 
and do it without any proxy.

Re: Options of packages loaded by modules/Lyx

[David Rörich]

2015-12-05 0:00 GMT+01:00 Scott Kostyshak :

>
> Note that if you feel like testing, we would be interested in your
> feedback. See here for installers for our most recent development
> version:
>
> ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.2/lyx-2.2.0alpha2/
>
> Scott
>

Will certainly test it sooner or later.

Re: Options of packages loaded by modules/Lyx

[David]

Am 04.12.2015 um 17:00 schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller:
> 
> "trunk" is the development version of LyX, i.e. forthcoming LyX 2.2.
> 
> With LyX 2.1.x, you cannot use the descirbed feature with the todonotes 
> module, since it only works for packages "known" to LyX (and the todonotes 
> packages is not known to LyX 2.1). Making a package "known" requires a change 
> in the LyX source code.
> 
> With LyX 2.2, you just need to copy the following to Document > Settings > 
> Local Layout:
> 
> PackageOptions todonotes myoptions
> 
> Jürgen
> 

Thanks for the clarification, Jürgen. Im excited about Lyx 2.2 :)

Re: Options of packages loaded by modules/Lyx

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Am Dienstag 01 Dezember 2015, 15:04:07 schrieb Richard Heck:
> If so, then a PassOptionToPackage tag would be a very good idea. These
> could be output very early, yes?

We have such a thing already:

PackageOptions todonotes myoptions

(only works in trunk, since the todonotes module from the wiki does not load 
todonotes via LyX's features interface).

Jürgen

Re: Options of packages loaded by modules/Lyx

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Am Freitag 04 Dezember 2015, 16:48:48 schrieb David:
> Sounds interesting. But what is trunk and how would I have to change the
> todonotes module in order to enable loading via the features interface?

"trunk" is the development version of LyX, i.e. forthcoming LyX 2.2.

With LyX 2.1.x, you cannot use the descirbed feature with the todonotes 
module, since it only works for packages "known" to LyX (and the todonotes 
packages is not known to LyX 2.1). Making a package "known" requires a change 
in the LyX source code.

With LyX 2.2, you just need to copy the following to Document > Settings > 
Local Layout:

PackageOptions todonotes myoptions

Jürgen

Re: Options of packages loaded by modules/Lyx

[David]

Am 04.12.2015 um 16:40 schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller:
> Am Dienstag 01 Dezember 2015, 15:04:07 schrieb Richard Heck:
>> If so, then a PassOptionToPackage tag would be a very good idea. These
>> could be output very early, yes?
> 
> We have such a thing already:
> 
> PackageOptions todonotes myoptions
> 
> (only works in trunk, since the todonotes module from the wiki does not load 
> todonotes via LyX's features interface).
> 

Sounds interesting. But what is trunk and how would I have to change the
todonotes module in order to enable loading via the features interface?

Re: Options of packages loaded by modules/Lyx

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 05:07:24PM +0100, David wrote:
> Am 04.12.2015 um 17:00 schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller:
> > 
> > "trunk" is the development version of LyX, i.e. forthcoming LyX 2.2.
> > 
> > With LyX 2.1.x, you cannot use the descirbed feature with the todonotes 
> > module, since it only works for packages "known" to LyX (and the todonotes 
> > packages is not known to LyX 2.1). Making a package "known" requires a 
> > change 
> > in the LyX source code.
> > 
> > With LyX 2.2, you just need to copy the following to Document > Settings > 
> > Local Layout:
> > 
> > PackageOptions todonotes myoptions
> > 
> > Jürgen
> > 
> 
> Thanks for the clarification, Jürgen. Im excited about Lyx 2.2 :)

Note that if you feel like testing, we would be interested in your
feedback. See here for installers for our most recent development
version:

ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.2/lyx-2.2.0alpha2/

Scott


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Re: Options of packages loaded by modules/Lyx

[Richard Heck]

On 12/01/2015 02:41 PM, Guillaume Munch wrote:
> Dear David,
>
>> Adding another \usepackage[myOptions]{todonotes} to my preamble causes
>> an options clash. I tried to
>>
>> *) Set the options globally by passing them to the document class (as
>> suggested by LaTex). No error, but also no effect.
>> *) Use \PassOptionsToPackage. No error, but also no effect. I think this
>> command must be used *before* loading the package, which I can't do as
>> the module's preamble additions are done *before* the user's additions.
>
> There's a dirty, but quite general hack that I have often used in the
> past. In "class options", add:
>
>   ]{myClass}\PassOptionsToPackage{myOptions}{todonotes}%
>
> I'd be happy to hear about a better solution...

That really is a hack!!

>> A possible solution would be to change the module itself. But I don't
>> like this solution much because it would have a system wide effect where
>> I only want it to affect the document. (Also, I don't want to change the
>> moule on all systems I use.)
>>
>
> It is possible to redefine insets in "Local Format". I'm curious as
> well to hear whether something can be done there to pass new package
> options. If not, would it make sense to implement a
> PassOptionToPackage layout command?

What happens if you just do:

AddToPremable
\PassOptionsToPackage...
EndPreamble

in local layout? I'll guess it may not work, since this line will be
output too late

If so, then a PassOptionToPackage tag would be a very good idea. These
could be output very early, yes?


Richard

Re: Options of packages loaded by modules/Lyx

[David]

> 
> Thanks for these interesting approaches, Richard! In this regard, it
> would also be nice if one could point Lyx to module files that are
> located outside ~/.lyx
> This way I could save the module file together with my document (in a
> git repo) and have it ready wherever I need it.
> 

Or maybe an include tag does exist, something like

IncludeFile
path/to/myModulue.module
End

?

Re: Options of packages loaded by modules/Lyx

[David]

Am 01.12.2015 um 20:41 schrieb Guillaume Munch:

> 
> There's a dirty, but quite general hack that I have often used in the
> past. In "class options", add:
> 
>   ]{myClass}\PassOptionsToPackage{myOptions}{todonotes}%
> 
> I'd be happy to hear about a better solution...
> 

That's clever ;)

Re: Options of packages loaded by modules/Lyx

[Guillaume Munch]

Le 01/12/2015 20:04, Richard Heck a écrit :

On 12/01/2015 02:41 PM, Guillaume Munch wrote:

Dear David,


Adding another \usepackage[myOptions]{todonotes} to my preamble causes
an options clash. I tried to

*) Set the options globally by passing them to the document class (as
suggested by LaTex). No error, but also no effect.
*) Use \PassOptionsToPackage. No error, but also no effect. I think this
command must be used *before* loading the package, which I can't do as
the module's preamble additions are done *before* the user's additions.


There's a dirty, but quite general hack that I have often used in the
past. In "class options", add:

   ]{myClass}\PassOptionsToPackage{myOptions}{todonotes}%

I'd be happy to hear about a better solution...


That really is a hack!!


Yeah sorry about that.

(Please please do not attempt anything at preventing such things because
I have no alternative for the moment.)




A possible solution would be to change the module itself. But I don't
like this solution much because it would have a system wide effect where
I only want it to affect the document. (Also, I don't want to change the
moule on all systems I use.)



It is possible to redefine insets in "Local Format". I'm curious as
well to hear whether something can be done there to pass new package
options. If not, would it make sense to implement a
PassOptionToPackage layout command?


What happens if you just do:

 AddToPremable
 \PassOptionsToPackage...
 EndPreamble

in local layout? I'll guess it may not work, since this line will be
output too late


Yes, it's too late.



If so, then a PassOptionToPackage tag would be a very good idea. These
could be output very early, yes?


I do like the idea of a PassOptionToPackage tag.

But in regards to my hack, I could completely get rid of it only if we
had an AddToEarlyPreamble section the adds lines before the
LyX-generated preamble.

Some options like \zoomfactor even want to be output before the document
class, and I think some command had also to be moved to before the
documentclass recently. Maybe we need a general solution for such issues.

Re: Options of packages loaded by modules/Lyx

[David Rörich]

Am 01.12.2015 um 20:36 schrieb Richard Heck:
> On 11/30/2015 04:33 AM, David wrote:
>> Dear list,
>>
>> is it possible to change package options of packages that are loaded by
>> modules? Specifically, I tried to set the options of the todonotes
>> package which I use in conjunction with the "TODO Notes" module [1].
>> This module loads the package without passing any options to it.
>> Specifically, it adds
>>
>> \RequirePackage{todonotes}
>>
>> to the preamble.
>>
>> Adding another \usepackage[myOptions]{todonotes} to my preamble causes
>> an options clash. I tried to
>>
>> *) Set the options globally by passing them to the document class (as
>> suggested by LaTex). No error, but also no effect.
>> *) Use \PassOptionsToPackage. No error, but also no effect. I think this
>> command must be used *before* loading the package, which I can't do as
>> the module's preamble additions are done *before* the user's additions.
>>
>> A possible solution would be to change the module itself. But I don't
>> like this solution much because it would have a system wide effect where
>> I only want it to affect the document. (Also, I don't want to change the
>> moule on all systems I use)
>>
>> What other options do I have?
> Copy todonotes.module to todonotes2.module. Open it and make whatever
> changes you
> wish (I'd make some change to the first line and description so you know
> which is which),
> then reconfigure LyX so it is seen and use the modified version in this
> paper.
>
> Alternatively, copy the contents of todonotes.module to Local Layout and
> make your
> changes there. Then remove the ToDo Notes module from the list of used
> modules.
>
> Richard
>

Thanks for these interesting approaches, Richard! In this regard, it
would also be nice if one could point Lyx to module files that are
located outside ~/.lyx
This way I could save the module file together with my document (in a
git repo) and have it ready wherever I need it.

Contrary to what I wrote before, passing the options as global options
to the document class *does* work. On my first try, I didn't see the
effect because I use the tikzexternalize package and todonotes renders
its notes with Tikz. This prevented rerendering.

David



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Re: Options of packages loaded by modules/Lyx

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 09:03:08PM +0100, David Rörich wrote:
> Dear list,
> 

Just a note that this was cross-posted here:
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/280938/can-i-change-options-of-packages-loaded-by-a-lyx-module

Scott


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Options of packages loaded by modules/Lyx

[David Rörich]

(sorry if this is a double post)

Dear list,

is it possible to change package options of packages that are loaded by
modules? Specifically, I tried to set the options of the todonotes
package which I use in conjunction with the "TODO Notes" module [1].
This module loads the package without passing any options to it.
Specifically, it adds

\RequirePackage{todonotes}

to the preamble.

Adding another \usepackage[myOptions]{todonotes} to my preamble causes
an options clash. I tried to

*) Set the options globally by passing them to the document class (as
suggested by LaTex). No error, but also no effect.
*) Use \PassOptionsToPackage. No error, but also no effect. I think this
command must be used *before* loading the package, which I can't do as
the module's preamble additions are done *before* the user's additions.

A possible solution would be to change the module itself. But I don't
like this solution much because it would have a system wide effect where
I only want it to affect the document. (Also, I don't want to change the
moule on all systems I use)

What other options do I have?

Thanks,
David

[1] http://www.lyx.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/7546/todonotes.module



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Options of packages loaded by modules/Lyx

[David Rörich]

Dear list,

is it possible to change package options of packages that are loaded by
modules? Specifically, I tried to set the options of the todonotes
package which I use in conjunction with the "TODO Notes" module [1].
This module loads the package without passing any options to it.
Specifically, it adds

\RequirePackage{todonotes}

to the preamble.

Adding another \usepackage[myOptions]{todonotes} to my preamble causes
an options clash. I tried to

*) Set the options globally by passing them to the document class (as
suggested by LaTex). No error, but also no effect.
*) Use \PassOptionsToPackage. No error, but also no effect. I think this
command must be used *before* loading the package, which I can't do as
the module's preamble additions are done *before* the user's additions.

A possible solution would be to change the module itself. But I don't
like this solution much because it would have a system wide effect where
I only want it to affect the document. (Also, I don't want to change the
moule on all systems I use)

What other options do I have?

Thanks,
David

[1] http://www.lyx.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/7546/todonotes.module





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Options of packages loaded by modules/Lyx

[David]

Dear list,

is it possible to change package options of packages that are loaded by
modules? Specifically, I tried to set the options of the todonotes
package which I use in conjunction with the "TODO Notes" module [1].
This module loads the package without passing any options to it.
Specifically, it adds

\RequirePackage{todonotes}

to the preamble.

Adding another \usepackage[myOptions]{todonotes} to my preamble causes
an options clash. I tried to

*) Set the options globally by passing them to the document class (as
suggested by LaTex). No error, but also no effect.
*) Use \PassOptionsToPackage. No error, but also no effect. I think this
command must be used *before* loading the package, which I can't do as
the module's preamble additions are done *before* the user's additions.

A possible solution would be to change the module itself. But I don't
like this solution much because it would have a system wide effect where
I only want it to affect the document. (Also, I don't want to change the
moule on all systems I use)

What other options do I have?

Thanks,
David

[1] http://www.lyx.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/7546/todonotes.module

Re: Options of packages loaded by modules/Lyx

[Richard Heck]

On 11/30/2015 04:33 AM, David wrote:
> Dear list,
>
> is it possible to change package options of packages that are loaded by
> modules? Specifically, I tried to set the options of the todonotes
> package which I use in conjunction with the "TODO Notes" module [1].
> This module loads the package without passing any options to it.
> Specifically, it adds
>
> \RequirePackage{todonotes}
>
> to the preamble.
>
> Adding another \usepackage[myOptions]{todonotes} to my preamble causes
> an options clash. I tried to
>
> *) Set the options globally by passing them to the document class (as
> suggested by LaTex). No error, but also no effect.
> *) Use \PassOptionsToPackage. No error, but also no effect. I think this
> command must be used *before* loading the package, which I can't do as
> the module's preamble additions are done *before* the user's additions.
>
> A possible solution would be to change the module itself. But I don't
> like this solution much because it would have a system wide effect where
> I only want it to affect the document. (Also, I don't want to change the
> moule on all systems I use)
>
> What other options do I have?

Copy todonotes.module to todonotes2.module. Open it and make whatever
changes you
wish (I'd make some change to the first line and description so you know
which is which),
then reconfigure LyX so it is seen and use the modified version in this
paper.

Alternatively, copy the contents of todonotes.module to Local Layout and
make your
changes there. Then remove the ToDo Notes module from the list of used
modules.

Richard

Re: Options of packages loaded by modules/Lyx

[Guillaume Munch]

Dear David,

Le 30/11/2015 10:22, David Rörich a écrit :

(sorry if this is a double post)


The lists now work again.



Adding another \usepackage[myOptions]{todonotes} to my preamble causes
an options clash. I tried to

*) Set the options globally by passing them to the document class (as
suggested by LaTex). No error, but also no effect.
*) Use \PassOptionsToPackage. No error, but also no effect. I think this
command must be used *before* loading the package, which I can't do as
the module's preamble additions are done *before* the user's additions.


There's a dirty, but quite general hack that I have often used in the 
past. In "class options", add:


  ]{myClass}\PassOptionsToPackage{myOptions}{todonotes}%

I'd be happy to hear about a better solution...



A possible solution would be to change the module itself. But I don't
like this solution much because it would have a system wide effect where
I only want it to affect the document. (Also, I don't want to change the
moule on all systems I use.)



It is possible to redefine insets in "Local Format". I'm curious as well 
to hear whether something can be done there to pass new package options. 
If not, would it make sense to implement a PassOptionToPackage layout 
command?

Re: How to pick up texmf latex packages with lyx

[David Rörich]

Am 28.07.2015 um 18:22 schrieb Profpatsch:
 I tried to follow the instructions in Help→Customization,
 but to no avail.
 

What exactly would you like to do? I suspect you are trying to use
locally installed packages? Have you checked that the package work
outside Lyx, in Latex?

Re: How to pick up texmf latex packages with lyx

[David Rörich]

Am 28.07.2015 um 18:22 schrieb Profpatsch:
> I tried to follow the instructions in Help→Customization,
> but to no avail.
> 

What exactly would you like to do? I suspect you are trying to use
locally installed packages? Have you checked that the package work
outside Lyx, in Latex?

Re: unavailable packages

[Liviu Andronic]

Dear Trisha,


On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Trisha Lawrence trishalaw...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi

 Happy New Year to you!

 I was forced to restart my laptop to it's original form due to malware on my
 laptop and therefore was also required to reinstall LyX and MiKTeX. I have
 downloaded the MikTeX and Lyx 2.1.2 as suggested previously however some of
 the packages remain unavailable. I've attached a picture of what it looks
 like below.

You probably need to go to MiKTeX Settings (admin) and change option
Install Packages to On-the-fly (automatically).

Then in LyX do Tools  Reconfigure. This should automatically install
all packages required by LyX.

Regards,
Liviu


 I remember you being very helpful when this problem occurred previously. Can
 you help again?

 Kindest Regards,
 Trisha Lawrence



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Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
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http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: unavailable packages

[Liviu Andronic]

Dear Trisha,


On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Trisha Lawrence trishalaw...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi

 Happy New Year to you!

 I was forced to restart my laptop to it's original form due to malware on my
 laptop and therefore was also required to reinstall LyX and MiKTeX. I have
 downloaded the MikTeX and Lyx 2.1.2 as suggested previously however some of
 the packages remain unavailable. I've attached a picture of what it looks
 like below.

You probably need to go to MiKTeX Settings (admin) and change option
Install Packages to On-the-fly (automatically).

Then in LyX do Tools  Reconfigure. This should automatically install
all packages required by LyX.

Regards,
Liviu


 I remember you being very helpful when this problem occurred previously. Can
 you help again?

 Kindest Regards,
 Trisha Lawrence



-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: unavailable packages

[Liviu Andronic]

Dear Trisha,


On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Trisha Lawrence <trishalaw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Happy New Year to you!
>
> I was forced to restart my laptop to it's original form due to malware on my
> laptop and therefore was also required to reinstall LyX and MiKTeX. I have
> downloaded the MikTeX and Lyx 2.1.2 as suggested previously however some of
> the packages remain unavailable. I've attached a picture of what it looks
> like below.
>
You probably need to go to MiKTeX Settings (admin) and change option
Install Packages to On-the-fly (automatically).

Then in LyX do Tools > Reconfigure. This should automatically install
all packages required by LyX.

Regards,
Liviu


> I remember you being very helpful when this problem occurred previously. Can
> you help again?
>
> Kindest Regards,
> Trisha Lawrence



-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: XeTeX - Load packages before fontspec

[Michael Dean Pugh]

I can see a very distinct reason for wanting to be able to modify the LyX-
generated preamble directly (without having to use a separate editor).  I'm 
using MathTime Professional II fonts and I want to use it in conjunction 
with the bm package so that I have access to the bm versions of the \bm and 
\hm modifiers.  In order for this to work, \usepackage{bm} _must_follow_ 
\usepackage{mtpro2} and with LyX generating \usepackae{bm} in its own 
preamble, the second \usepackage{bm} in my preamble is rendered useless.  I 
see this as much more of a hindrance than a feature. 

Re: XeTeX - Load packages before fontspec

[Michael Dean Pugh]

I can see a very distinct reason for wanting to be able to modify the LyX-
generated preamble directly (without having to use a separate editor).  I'm 
using MathTime Professional II fonts and I want to use it in conjunction 
with the bm package so that I have access to the bm versions of the \bm and 
\hm modifiers.  In order for this to work, \usepackage{bm} _must_follow_ 
\usepackage{mtpro2} and with LyX generating \usepackae{bm} in its own 
preamble, the second \usepackage{bm} in my preamble is rendered useless.  I 
see this as much more of a hindrance than a feature. 

Re: XeTeX - Load packages before fontspec

[Michael Dean Pugh]

I can see a very distinct reason for wanting to be able to modify the LyX-
generated preamble directly (without having to use a separate editor).  I'm 
using MathTime Professional II fonts and I want to use it in conjunction 
with the bm package so that I have access to the bm versions of the \bm and 
\hm modifiers.  In order for this to work, \usepackage{bm} _must_follow_ 
\usepackage{mtpro2} and with LyX generating \usepackae{bm} in its own 
preamble, the second \usepackage{bm} in my preamble is rendered useless.  I 
see this as much more of a hindrance than a feature. 

Possible error in packages in the LyX Ubuntu ppa

[Påvel Nicklasson]

I use the LyX devel release ppa (
https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release) in (K)ubuntu 14.04. LyX
wants to upgrade to LyX 2.1 but I recieve this error message during the
installation process:

/var/cache/apt/archives/lyx_2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2_amd64.deb
trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/lyx.desktop', which is also in
package lyx-common 2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2

The installation is interrupted and LyX not installed. I have tried to
clean apt and purge the files before installation but the problem remains.
Is there a package error in the new files or am I doing something wrong?

I can try to get more information from the terminal and the apt command if
needed, I just have to teach it speak English first.

Re: Possible error in packages in the LyX Ubuntu ppa

[Liviu Andronic]

Dear Påvel,

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Påvel Nicklasson
pavel223...@gmail.com wrote:
 I use the LyX devel release ppa
 (https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release) in (K)ubuntu 14.04. LyX
 wants to upgrade to LyX 2.1 but I recieve this error message during the
 installation process:

There was a packaging issue that I have now fixed. Please try removing
both 'lyx' and 'lyx-common' if present. Then update synaptic, and then
install the 'ppa3' version packages. Follow the steps in this order.

Regards,
Liviu



 /var/cache/apt/archives/lyx_2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2_amd64.deb
 trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/lyx.desktop', which is also in
 package lyx-common 2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2

 The installation is interrupted and LyX not installed. I have tried to clean
 apt and purge the files before installation but the problem remains. Is
 there a package error in the new files or am I doing something wrong?

 I can try to get more information from the terminal and the apt command if
 needed, I just have to teach it speak English first.



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Re: Possible error in packages in the LyX Ubuntu ppa

[Påvel Nicklasson]

Yes!
Now everything works and I run LyX 2.1.
Thanks to you Liviu for bringing LyX to the rest of us through the ppa and
thanks to all developers for LyX 2.1!
Regards
Påvel


2014-04-21 11:34 GMT+02:00 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:

 Dear Påvel,

 On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Påvel Nicklasson
 pavel223...@gmail.com wrote:
  I use the LyX devel release ppa
  (https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release) in (K)ubuntu 14.04.
 LyX
  wants to upgrade to LyX 2.1 but I recieve this error message during the
  installation process:
 
 There was a packaging issue that I have now fixed. Please try removing
 both 'lyx' and 'lyx-common' if present. Then update synaptic, and then
 install the 'ppa3' version packages. Follow the steps in this order.

 Regards,
 Liviu



  /var/cache/apt/archives/lyx_2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2_amd64.deb
  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/lyx.desktop', which is also
 in
  package lyx-common 2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2
 
  The installation is interrupted and LyX not installed. I have tried to
 clean
  apt and purge the files before installation but the problem remains. Is
  there a package error in the new files or am I doing something wrong?
 
  I can try to get more information from the terminal and the apt command
 if
  needed, I just have to teach it speak English first.



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Re: Possible error in packages in the LyX Ubuntu ppa

[Liviu Andronic]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Påvel Nicklasson pavel223...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes!
 Now everything works and I run LyX 2.1.
 Thanks to you Liviu for bringing LyX to the rest of us through the ppa and
 thanks to all developers for LyX 2.1!

Glad it works and that it's useful. :)

Liviu


 Regards
 Påvel


 2014-04-21 11:34 GMT+02:00 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:

 Dear Påvel,

 On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Påvel Nicklasson
 pavel223...@gmail.com wrote:
  I use the LyX devel release ppa
  (https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release) in (K)ubuntu 14.04.
  LyX
  wants to upgrade to LyX 2.1 but I recieve this error message during the
  installation process:
 
 There was a packaging issue that I have now fixed. Please try removing
 both 'lyx' and 'lyx-common' if present. Then update synaptic, and then
 install the 'ppa3' version packages. Follow the steps in this order.

 Regards,
 Liviu



  /var/cache/apt/archives/lyx_2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2_amd64.deb
  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/lyx.desktop', which is also
  in
  package lyx-common 2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2
 
  The installation is interrupted and LyX not installed. I have tried to
  clean
  apt and purge the files before installation but the problem remains. Is
  there a package error in the new files or am I doing something wrong?
 
  I can try to get more information from the terminal and the apt command
  if
  needed, I just have to teach it speak English first.



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Possible error in packages in the LyX Ubuntu ppa

[Påvel Nicklasson]

I use the LyX devel release ppa (
https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release) in (K)ubuntu 14.04. LyX
wants to upgrade to LyX 2.1 but I recieve this error message during the
installation process:

/var/cache/apt/archives/lyx_2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2_amd64.deb
trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/lyx.desktop', which is also in
package lyx-common 2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2

The installation is interrupted and LyX not installed. I have tried to
clean apt and purge the files before installation but the problem remains.
Is there a package error in the new files or am I doing something wrong?

I can try to get more information from the terminal and the apt command if
needed, I just have to teach it speak English first.

Re: Possible error in packages in the LyX Ubuntu ppa

[Liviu Andronic]

Dear Påvel,

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Påvel Nicklasson
pavel223...@gmail.com wrote:
 I use the LyX devel release ppa
 (https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release) in (K)ubuntu 14.04. LyX
 wants to upgrade to LyX 2.1 but I recieve this error message during the
 installation process:

There was a packaging issue that I have now fixed. Please try removing
both 'lyx' and 'lyx-common' if present. Then update synaptic, and then
install the 'ppa3' version packages. Follow the steps in this order.

Regards,
Liviu



 /var/cache/apt/archives/lyx_2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2_amd64.deb
 trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/lyx.desktop', which is also in
 package lyx-common 2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2

 The installation is interrupted and LyX not installed. I have tried to clean
 apt and purge the files before installation but the problem remains. Is
 there a package error in the new files or am I doing something wrong?

 I can try to get more information from the terminal and the apt command if
 needed, I just have to teach it speak English first.



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Re: Possible error in packages in the LyX Ubuntu ppa

[Påvel Nicklasson]

Yes!
Now everything works and I run LyX 2.1.
Thanks to you Liviu for bringing LyX to the rest of us through the ppa and
thanks to all developers for LyX 2.1!
Regards
Påvel


2014-04-21 11:34 GMT+02:00 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:

 Dear Påvel,

 On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Påvel Nicklasson
 pavel223...@gmail.com wrote:
  I use the LyX devel release ppa
  (https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release) in (K)ubuntu 14.04.
 LyX
  wants to upgrade to LyX 2.1 but I recieve this error message during the
  installation process:
 
 There was a packaging issue that I have now fixed. Please try removing
 both 'lyx' and 'lyx-common' if present. Then update synaptic, and then
 install the 'ppa3' version packages. Follow the steps in this order.

 Regards,
 Liviu



  /var/cache/apt/archives/lyx_2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2_amd64.deb
  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/lyx.desktop', which is also
 in
  package lyx-common 2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2
 
  The installation is interrupted and LyX not installed. I have tried to
 clean
  apt and purge the files before installation but the problem remains. Is
  there a package error in the new files or am I doing something wrong?
 
  I can try to get more information from the terminal and the apt command
 if
  needed, I just have to teach it speak English first.



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Re: Possible error in packages in the LyX Ubuntu ppa

[Liviu Andronic]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Påvel Nicklasson pavel223...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes!
 Now everything works and I run LyX 2.1.
 Thanks to you Liviu for bringing LyX to the rest of us through the ppa and
 thanks to all developers for LyX 2.1!

Glad it works and that it's useful. :)

Liviu


 Regards
 Påvel


 2014-04-21 11:34 GMT+02:00 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:

 Dear Påvel,

 On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Påvel Nicklasson
 pavel223...@gmail.com wrote:
  I use the LyX devel release ppa
  (https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release) in (K)ubuntu 14.04.
  LyX
  wants to upgrade to LyX 2.1 but I recieve this error message during the
  installation process:
 
 There was a packaging issue that I have now fixed. Please try removing
 both 'lyx' and 'lyx-common' if present. Then update synaptic, and then
 install the 'ppa3' version packages. Follow the steps in this order.

 Regards,
 Liviu



  /var/cache/apt/archives/lyx_2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2_amd64.deb
  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/lyx.desktop', which is also
  in
  package lyx-common 2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2
 
  The installation is interrupted and LyX not installed. I have tried to
  clean
  apt and purge the files before installation but the problem remains. Is
  there a package error in the new files or am I doing something wrong?
 
  I can try to get more information from the terminal and the apt command
  if
  needed, I just have to teach it speak English first.



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Possible error in packages in the LyX Ubuntu ppa

[Påvel Nicklasson]

I use the LyX devel release ppa (
https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release) in (K)ubuntu 14.04. LyX
wants to upgrade to LyX 2.1 but I recieve this error message during the
installation process:

/var/cache/apt/archives/lyx_2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2_amd64.deb
trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/lyx.desktop', which is also in
package lyx-common 2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2

The installation is interrupted and LyX not installed. I have tried to
clean apt and purge the files before installation but the problem remains.
Is there a package error in the new files or am I doing something wrong?

I can try to get more information from the terminal and the apt command if
needed, I just have to teach it speak English first.

Re: Possible error in packages in the LyX Ubuntu ppa

[Liviu Andronic]

Dear Påvel,

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Påvel Nicklasson
<pavel223...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I use the LyX devel release ppa
> (https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release) in (K)ubuntu 14.04. LyX
> wants to upgrade to LyX 2.1 but I recieve this error message during the
> installation process:
>
There was a packaging issue that I have now fixed. Please try removing
both 'lyx' and 'lyx-common' if present. Then update synaptic, and then
install the 'ppa3' version packages. Follow the steps in this order.

Regards,
Liviu



> /var/cache/apt/archives/lyx_2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2_amd64.deb
> trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/lyx.desktop', which is also in
> package lyx-common 2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2
>
> The installation is interrupted and LyX not installed. I have tried to clean
> apt and purge the files before installation but the problem remains. Is
> there a package error in the new files or am I doing something wrong?
>
> I can try to get more information from the terminal and the apt command if
> needed, I just have to teach it speak English first.



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Re: Possible error in packages in the LyX Ubuntu ppa

[Påvel Nicklasson]

Yes!
Now everything works and I run LyX 2.1.
Thanks to you Liviu for bringing LyX to the rest of us through the ppa and
thanks to all developers for LyX 2.1!
Regards
Påvel


2014-04-21 11:34 GMT+02:00 Liviu Andronic <landronim...@gmail.com>:

> Dear Påvel,
>
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Påvel Nicklasson
> <pavel223...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I use the LyX devel release ppa
> > (https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release) in (K)ubuntu 14.04.
> LyX
> > wants to upgrade to LyX 2.1 but I recieve this error message during the
> > installation process:
> >
> There was a packaging issue that I have now fixed. Please try removing
> both 'lyx' and 'lyx-common' if present. Then update synaptic, and then
> install the 'ppa3' version packages. Follow the steps in this order.
>
> Regards,
> Liviu
>
>
>
> > /var/cache/apt/archives/lyx_2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2_amd64.deb
> > trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/lyx.desktop', which is also
> in
> > package lyx-common 2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2
> >
> > The installation is interrupted and LyX not installed. I have tried to
> clean
> > apt and purge the files before installation but the problem remains. Is
> > there a package error in the new files or am I doing something wrong?
> >
> > I can try to get more information from the terminal and the apt command
> if
> > needed, I just have to teach it speak English first.
>
>
>
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Re: Possible error in packages in the LyX Ubuntu ppa

[Liviu Andronic]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Påvel Nicklasson <pavel223...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes!
> Now everything works and I run LyX 2.1.
> Thanks to you Liviu for bringing LyX to the rest of us through the ppa and
> thanks to all developers for LyX 2.1!
>
Glad it works and that it's useful. :)

Liviu


> Regards
> Påvel
>
>
> 2014-04-21 11:34 GMT+02:00 Liviu Andronic <landronim...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Dear Påvel,
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Påvel Nicklasson
>> <pavel223...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I use the LyX devel release ppa
>> > (https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release) in (K)ubuntu 14.04.
>> > LyX
>> > wants to upgrade to LyX 2.1 but I recieve this error message during the
>> > installation process:
>> >
>> There was a packaging issue that I have now fixed. Please try removing
>> both 'lyx' and 'lyx-common' if present. Then update synaptic, and then
>> install the 'ppa3' version packages. Follow the steps in this order.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Liviu
>>
>>
>>
>> > /var/cache/apt/archives/lyx_2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2_amd64.deb
>> > trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/lyx.desktop', which is also
>> > in
>> > package lyx-common 2.1.0-1~trusty~ppa2
>> >
>> > The installation is interrupted and LyX not installed. I have tried to
>> > clean
>> > apt and purge the files before installation but the problem remains. Is
>> > there a package error in the new files or am I doing something wrong?
>> >
>> > I can try to get more information from the terminal and the apt command
>> > if
>> > needed, I just have to teach it speak English first.
>>
>>
>>
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>
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Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Please google what RTFM measn :-)-O

el

On 2013-09-07 15:12 , Ken Springer wrote:
 On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:
 Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com:

 Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also
 have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.

 This has left me wondering about installation packages for different
 OS's.

 Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is
 needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program
 is also included in the program's installation package.  But, when
 the program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in
 the installation package.

 If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program,
 I would never have had a problem.LOL

 What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX
 system?
 
 Exactly.  When you install the Windows bundle, it includes MikTeX and
 JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a
 bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't
 have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows
 for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac,
 that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system,
 and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of
 LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work right out of
 the box, and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the
 user gets if it's for Linux.
 
 I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a
 new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign
 language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. Even
 more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every site
 for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the newbie
 concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)
 
 

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

You missed the point of my post, but I don't have time to explain at the 
moment.  Work calls.  :-(



On 9/9/13 12:47 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:

Please google what RTFM measn :-)-O

el

On 2013-09-07 15:12 , Ken Springer wrote:

On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com:


Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also
have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.

This has left me wondering about installation packages for different
OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is
needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program
is also included in the program's installation package.  But, when
the program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in
the installation package.

If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program,
I would never have had a problem.LOL


What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX
system?


Exactly.  When you install the Windows bundle, it includes MikTeX and
JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a
bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't
have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows
for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac,
that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system,
and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of
LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work right out of
the box, and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the
user gets if it's for Linux.

I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a
new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign
language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. Even
more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every site
for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the newbie
concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)



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Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Charlie]

 On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com sent
 this:

I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

snip

  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
  would be no need to post to the list.

Hope that helps you.
Charlie
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Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Anders Ekberg]

On 2013-09-09 15:23, Charlie aries...@skymesh.com.au wrote:

 On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com sent
 this:

   I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

snip

  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
  would be no need to post to the list.

If I understood it correctly, the point was bundling TeX and LyX. This
would probably make it easier for first-timers. But the download would be
massive, which persons who just update LyX probably would not like.
Downloading if needed would require a script that someone would need to
create and (not the least) maintain.

As for documentation I personally think the wiki, Tutorial and User's
guide are excellent. But I am probably blind for difficulties a beginner
faces. Unfortunately I think those that have the difficulties fresh in
mind, and are the ones that I think should update
http://wiki.lyx.org/Mac/Mac (or create a Beginner's video guide or
whatever they find would be helpful and is currently missing for a
beginner) are often hesitant to do this since they think they are not
experienced enough. So we have a bit of a catch 22Š

All the best!
Anders

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

Eberhard, Charlie, and Anders,

I think my reply works better if I answer all of you with just the one 
reply, otherwise there would be a lot of duplication of effort on my part.


On 9/9/13 8:34 AM, Anders Ekberg wrote:

On 2013-09-09 15:23, Charlie aries...@skymesh.com.au wrote:


On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com sent
this:

I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

snip

  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
  would be no need to post to the list.


If I understood it correctly, the point was bundling TeX and LyX. This
would probably make it easier for first-timers. But the download would be
massive, which persons who just update LyX probably would not like.
Downloading if needed would require a script that someone would need to
create and (not the least) maintain.

As for documentation I personally think the wiki, Tutorial and User's
guide are excellent. But I am probably blind for difficulties a beginner
faces. Unfortunately I think those that have the difficulties fresh in
mind, and are the ones that I think should update
http://wiki.lyx.org/Mac/Mac (or create a Beginner's video guide or
whatever they find would be helpful and is currently missing for a
beginner) are often hesitant to do this since they think they are not
experienced enough. So we have a bit of a catch 22Š


A lot of my original message, Message-ID: l0f8nq$iib$1...@ger.gmane.org, 
was intended to refer to the true newbie/beginner.  I'm just too damned 
old to be a newbie! LOL


And a lot was meant to refer to the website itself, not the program or 
documentation.


Anders is correct, I was talking about the bundling of LyX and some kind 
of TeX program.  Anders brings up a point about folks who only need the 
update to LyX as opposed to someone needing the whole package.  If you 
use Windows, that's an option already.  There are two packages 
available, one for the person needing everything, like me, and one who 
only needs to update LyX.  If it can be done for Windows, why can't it 
be done for the Mac?  I don't know about any Linux versions, but I'd 
still have the same question.


I've not had the chance to check the documentation for LyX, but my 
experiences with documentation, especially on the web, is it's 
incomplete and disjointed.  There's no organization.  No index.  And my 
questions are never answered.  Neither do I get answers from forums, 
from almost anyone.  Commercial or open source.  I've been trying to get 
a networking question between OS X and Windows answered for 3 months.  I 
finally have some thing that's workable, but it's a kludge and ignores 
any and all sharing restrictions.


As for the website, or documentation for that matter, my mind always 
defaults to the lowest common denominator.  How would a person who 
doesn't know how to spell LyX respond to what is on the site?  With the 
people in my past, I'd say they would look at the site, and walk away 
from LyX.  I doubt that is what the developers would like.


If the truly new person, who found LyX using search engine, walks away 
from LyX because nothing makes any sense to them, LyX has possibly lost 
a convert.


One problem I've found with documentation is, it's almost always 
incomplete and out of date.  (Remember, this is a general impression, 
I've not had the time to read the LyX documentation.)  Even the LyX site 
appears to be out of date regarding installation under Mountain Lion. 
The site mentions ML's Gatekeeper, and how to get around it.  But the 
Gatekeeper wasn't a problem for me.  Somebody apparently fixed the 
issue, but the site is out of date on that.


I don't know if this has made anything more understandable or not, but 
I'm out of time for today.   :-(



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Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Please google what RTFM measn :-)-O

el

On 2013-09-07 15:12 , Ken Springer wrote:
 On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:
 Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com:

 Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also
 have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.

 This has left me wondering about installation packages for different
 OS's.

 Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is
 needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program
 is also included in the program's installation package.  But, when
 the program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in
 the installation package.

 If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program,
 I would never have had a problem.LOL

 What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX
 system?
 
 Exactly.  When you install the Windows bundle, it includes MikTeX and
 JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a
 bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't
 have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows
 for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac,
 that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system,
 and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of
 LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work right out of
 the box, and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the
 user gets if it's for Linux.
 
 I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a
 new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign
 language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. Even
 more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every site
 for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the newbie
 concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)
 
 

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

You missed the point of my post, but I don't have time to explain at the 
moment.  Work calls.  :-(



On 9/9/13 12:47 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:

Please google what RTFM measn :-)-O

el

On 2013-09-07 15:12 , Ken Springer wrote:

On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com:


Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also
have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.

This has left me wondering about installation packages for different
OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is
needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program
is also included in the program's installation package.  But, when
the program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in
the installation package.

If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program,
I would never have had a problem.LOL


What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX
system?


Exactly.  When you install the Windows bundle, it includes MikTeX and
JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a
bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't
have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows
for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac,
that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system,
and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of
LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work right out of
the box, and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the
user gets if it's for Linux.

I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a
new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign
language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. Even
more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every site
for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the newbie
concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Charlie]

 On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com sent
 this:

I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

snip

  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
  would be no need to post to the list.

Hope that helps you.
Charlie
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***

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and another to press it into the skin of a friend. --James
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-

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Anders Ekberg]

On 2013-09-09 15:23, Charlie aries...@skymesh.com.au wrote:

 On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com sent
 this:

   I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

snip

  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
  would be no need to post to the list.

If I understood it correctly, the point was bundling TeX and LyX. This
would probably make it easier for first-timers. But the download would be
massive, which persons who just update LyX probably would not like.
Downloading if needed would require a script that someone would need to
create and (not the least) maintain.

As for documentation I personally think the wiki, Tutorial and User's
guide are excellent. But I am probably blind for difficulties a beginner
faces. Unfortunately I think those that have the difficulties fresh in
mind, and are the ones that I think should update
http://wiki.lyx.org/Mac/Mac (or create a Beginner's video guide or
whatever they find would be helpful and is currently missing for a
beginner) are often hesitant to do this since they think they are not
experienced enough. So we have a bit of a catch 22Š

All the best!
Anders

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

Eberhard, Charlie, and Anders,

I think my reply works better if I answer all of you with just the one 
reply, otherwise there would be a lot of duplication of effort on my part.


On 9/9/13 8:34 AM, Anders Ekberg wrote:

On 2013-09-09 15:23, Charlie aries...@skymesh.com.au wrote:


On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com sent
this:

I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

snip

  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
  would be no need to post to the list.


If I understood it correctly, the point was bundling TeX and LyX. This
would probably make it easier for first-timers. But the download would be
massive, which persons who just update LyX probably would not like.
Downloading if needed would require a script that someone would need to
create and (not the least) maintain.

As for documentation I personally think the wiki, Tutorial and User's
guide are excellent. But I am probably blind for difficulties a beginner
faces. Unfortunately I think those that have the difficulties fresh in
mind, and are the ones that I think should update
http://wiki.lyx.org/Mac/Mac (or create a Beginner's video guide or
whatever they find would be helpful and is currently missing for a
beginner) are often hesitant to do this since they think they are not
experienced enough. So we have a bit of a catch 22Š


A lot of my original message, Message-ID: l0f8nq$iib$1...@ger.gmane.org, 
was intended to refer to the true newbie/beginner.  I'm just too damned 
old to be a newbie! LOL


And a lot was meant to refer to the website itself, not the program or 
documentation.


Anders is correct, I was talking about the bundling of LyX and some kind 
of TeX program.  Anders brings up a point about folks who only need the 
update to LyX as opposed to someone needing the whole package.  If you 
use Windows, that's an option already.  There are two packages 
available, one for the person needing everything, like me, and one who 
only needs to update LyX.  If it can be done for Windows, why can't it 
be done for the Mac?  I don't know about any Linux versions, but I'd 
still have the same question.


I've not had the chance to check the documentation for LyX, but my 
experiences with documentation, especially on the web, is it's 
incomplete and disjointed.  There's no organization.  No index.  And my 
questions are never answered.  Neither do I get answers from forums, 
from almost anyone.  Commercial or open source.  I've been trying to get 
a networking question between OS X and Windows answered for 3 months.  I 
finally have some thing that's workable, but it's a kludge and ignores 
any and all sharing restrictions.


As for the website, or documentation for that matter, my mind always 
defaults to the lowest common denominator.  How would a person who 
doesn't know how to spell LyX respond to what is on the site?  With the 
people in my past, I'd say they would look at the site, and walk away 
from LyX.  I doubt that is what the developers would like.


If the truly new person, who found LyX using search engine, walks away 
from LyX because nothing makes any sense to them, LyX has possibly lost 
a convert.


One problem I've found with documentation is, it's almost always 
incomplete and out of date.  (Remember, this is a general impression, 
I've not had the time to read the LyX documentation.)  Even the LyX site 
appears to be out of date regarding installation under Mountain Lion. 
The site mentions ML's Gatekeeper, and how to get around it.  But the 
Gatekeeper wasn't a problem for me.  Somebody apparently fixed the 
issue, but the site is out of date on that.


I don't know if this has made anything more understandable or not, but 
I'm out of time for today.   :-(



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Please google what RTFM measn :-)-O

el

On 2013-09-07 15:12 , Ken Springer wrote:
> On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:
>> Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com>:
>>
>>> Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also
>>> have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.
>>>
>>> This has left me wondering about installation packages for different
>>> OS's.
>>>
>>> Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is
>>> needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program
>>> is also included in the program's installation package.  But, when
>>> the program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in
>>> the installation package.
>>>
>>> If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program,
>>> I would never have had a problem.LOL
>>
>> What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX
>> system?
> 
> Exactly.  When you install the Windows "bundle", it includes MikTeX and
> JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a
> bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't
> have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows
> for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac,
> that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system,
> and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of
> LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work "right out of
> the box", and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the
> user gets if it's for Linux.
> 
> I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a
> new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign
> language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. Even
> more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every site
> for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the "newbie"
> concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)
> 
> 

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

You missed the point of my post, but I don't have time to explain at the 
moment.  Work calls.  :-(



On 9/9/13 12:47 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:

Please google what RTFM measn :-)-O

el

On 2013-09-07 15:12 , Ken Springer wrote:

On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com>:


Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also
have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.

This has left me wondering about installation packages for different
OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is
needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program
is also included in the program's installation package.  But, when
the program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in
the installation package.

If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program,
I would never have had a problem.LOL


What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX
system?


Exactly.  When you install the Windows "bundle", it includes MikTeX and
JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a
bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't
have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows
for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac,
that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system,
and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of
LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work "right out of
the box", and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the
user gets if it's for Linux.

I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a
new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign
language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. Even
more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every site
for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the "newbie"
concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)



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Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Charlie]

 On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 "Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com" sent
 this:

>I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.



  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
  would be no need to post to the list.

Hope that helps you.
Charlie
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Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Anders Ekberg]

On 2013-09-09 15:23, "Charlie"  wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 "Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com" sent
> this:
>
>   >I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.
>
>
>
>  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
>  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
>  would be no need to post to the list.

If I understood it correctly, the point was bundling TeX and LyX. This
would probably make it easier for first-timers. But the download would be
massive, which persons who just update LyX probably would not like.
Downloading "if needed" would require a script that someone would need to
create and (not the least) maintain.

As for documentation I personally think the wiki, Tutorial and User's
guide are excellent. But I am probably blind for difficulties a beginner
faces. Unfortunately I think those that have the difficulties fresh in
mind, and are the ones that I think should update
http://wiki.lyx.org/Mac/Mac (or create a "Beginner's video guide" or
whatever they find would be helpful and is currently missing for a
beginner) are often hesitant to do this since they think they are not
experienced enough. So we have a bit of a catch 22Š

All the best!
Anders

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

Eberhard, Charlie, and Anders,

I think my reply works better if I answer all of you with just the one 
reply, otherwise there would be a lot of duplication of effort on my part.


On 9/9/13 8:34 AM, Anders Ekberg wrote:

On 2013-09-09 15:23, "Charlie" <aries...@skymesh.com.au> wrote:


On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 "Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com" sent
this:

>I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.



  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
  would be no need to post to the list.


If I understood it correctly, the point was bundling TeX and LyX. This
would probably make it easier for first-timers. But the download would be
massive, which persons who just update LyX probably would not like.
Downloading "if needed" would require a script that someone would need to
create and (not the least) maintain.

As for documentation I personally think the wiki, Tutorial and User's
guide are excellent. But I am probably blind for difficulties a beginner
faces. Unfortunately I think those that have the difficulties fresh in
mind, and are the ones that I think should update
http://wiki.lyx.org/Mac/Mac (or create a "Beginner's video guide" or
whatever they find would be helpful and is currently missing for a
beginner) are often hesitant to do this since they think they are not
experienced enough. So we have a bit of a catch 22Š


A lot of my original message, Message-ID: <l0f8nq$iib$1...@ger.gmane.org>, 
was intended to refer to the true newbie/beginner.  I'm just too damned 
old to be a newbie! LOL


And a lot was meant to refer to the website itself, not the program or 
documentation.


Anders is correct, I was talking about the bundling of LyX and some kind 
of TeX program.  Anders brings up a point about folks who only need the 
update to LyX as opposed to someone needing the whole package.  If you 
use Windows, that's an option already.  There are two packages 
available, one for the person needing everything, like me, and one who 
only needs to update LyX.  If it can be done for Windows, why can't it 
be done for the Mac?  I don't know about any Linux versions, but I'd 
still have the same question.


I've not had the chance to check the documentation for LyX, but my 
experiences with documentation, especially on the web, is it's 
incomplete and disjointed.  There's no organization.  No index.  And my 
questions are never answered.  Neither do I get answers from forums, 
from almost anyone.  Commercial or open source.  I've been trying to get 
a networking question between OS X and Windows answered for 3 months.  I 
finally have some thing that's workable, but it's a kludge and ignores 
any and all sharing restrictions.


As for the website, or documentation for that matter, my mind always 
defaults to the lowest common denominator.  How would a person who 
doesn't know how to spell LyX respond to what is on the site?  With the 
people in my past, I'd say they would look at the site, and walk away 
from LyX.  I doubt that is what the developers would like.


If the truly new person, who found LyX using search engine, walks away 
from LyX because nothing makes any sense to them, LyX has possibly lost 
a convert.


One problem I've found with documentation is, it's almost always 
incomplete and out of date.  (Remember, this is a general impression, 
I've not had the time to read the LyX documentation.)  Even the LyX site 
appears to be out of date regarding installation under Mountain Lion. 
The site mentions ML's Gatekeeper, and how to get around it.  But the 
Gatekeeper wasn't a problem for me.  Somebody apparently fixed the 
issue, but the site is out of date on that.


I don't know if this has made anything more understandable or not, but 
I'm out of time for today.   :-(



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LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Stephan Witt]

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com:

 Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also have 
 installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.
 
 This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.
 
 Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is needed 
 to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is also 
 included in the program's installation package.  But, when the program goes 
 into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in the installation package.
 
 If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I would 
 never have had a problem.LOL

What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX system?

Stephan

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com:


Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also have 
installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.

This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is needed to 
make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is also included in 
the program's installation package.  But, when the program goes into OS X, the 
supporting program isn't included in the installation package.

If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I would 
never have had a problem.LOL


What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX system?


Exactly.  When you install the Windows bundle, it includes MikTeX and 
JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a 
bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't 
have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows 
for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac, 
that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system, 
and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of 
LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work right out of 
the box, and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the 
user gets if it's for Linux.


I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a 
new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign 
language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. 
Even more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every 
site for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the newbie 
concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Stephan Witt]

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com:

 Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also have 
 installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.
 
 This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.
 
 Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is needed 
 to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is also 
 included in the program's installation package.  But, when the program goes 
 into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in the installation package.
 
 If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I would 
 never have had a problem.LOL

What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX system?

Stephan

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com:


Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also have 
installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.

This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is needed to 
make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is also included in 
the program's installation package.  But, when the program goes into OS X, the 
supporting program isn't included in the installation package.

If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I would 
never have had a problem.LOL


What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX system?


Exactly.  When you install the Windows bundle, it includes MikTeX and 
JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a 
bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't 
have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows 
for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac, 
that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system, 
and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of 
LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work right out of 
the box, and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the 
user gets if it's for Linux.


I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a 
new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign 
language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. 
Even more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every 
site for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the newbie 
concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Stephan Witt]

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com>:

> Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also have 
> installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.
> 
> This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.
> 
> Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is needed 
> to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is also 
> included in the program's installation package.  But, when the program goes 
> into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in the installation package.
> 
> If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I would 
> never have had a problem.LOL

What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX system?

Stephan

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com>:


Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also have 
installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.

This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is needed to 
make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is also included in 
the program's installation package.  But, when the program goes into OS X, the 
supporting program isn't included in the installation package.

If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I would 
never have had a problem.LOL


What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX system?


Exactly.  When you install the Windows "bundle", it includes MikTeX and 
JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a 
bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't 
have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows 
for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac, 
that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system, 
and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of 
LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work "right out of 
the box", and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the 
user gets if it's for Linux.


I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a 
new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign 
language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. 
Even more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every 
site for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the "newbie" 
concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also 
have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.


This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is 
needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is 
also included in the program's installation package.  But, when the 
program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in the 
installation package.


If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I 
would never have had a problem.LOL




--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also 
have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.


This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is 
needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is 
also included in the program's installation package.  But, when the 
program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in the 
installation package.


If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I 
would never have had a problem.LOL




--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also 
have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.


This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is 
needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is 
also included in the program's installation package.  But, when the 
program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in the 
installation package.


If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I 
would never have had a problem.LOL




--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: Finding packages............

[Rainer M Krug]

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On 14/01/13 03:09, aries...@skymesh.com.au wrote:
 On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:12:10 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
 On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:52:03 +1100, Charlie said:
 
 Hi all,
 
 A lot of you are able to instantly find LaTeX packages to solve random 
 problems. I can't 
 do that and want to learn how. I know of the existence of ctan.org just 
 like everyone 
 else, but there's something in my mental makeup that's different from 
 yours, and I want 
 to adopt your beliefs and your mindset in order to produce your results.
 
 I know to most of you this sounds trivial and self-explanatory, but to me 
 it's anything 
 but, so please tell me your beliefs, mindset and techniques as you search 
 for a package 
 to solve a specific problem.
 
 Thanks so much,
 
 SteveT
 
 I have taken the liberty of starting a new thread because it's a good 
 question, though I 
 would expand that by asking where the packages should be placed in the 
 /home/{user}/.lyx
 or the /usr/share/lyx directories. I don't know where they should go but 
 just guess, by
 file association.
 
 Place them where .sty, or whatever files exist, and if they are in more 
 than one directory 
 try them in several places till Reconfigure or texhash does it's work 
 and finds them.
 
 In reply to the above: in http://ctan.org/ type into the Search aperture 
 what it is you 
 need and allow it to be found.
 
 Doing that with vancouver for instance, takes you on the journey to the 
 files. Which of 
 them is required and where to put them is another question?
 
 In my case I would seek out where .bib, bst, and .tex files reside and 
 place each there.
 
 Probably doesn't help at all.
 
 Charlie
 
 Thanks Charlie,
 
 It's definitely a start.
 
 Let me ask you this: If you needed to have all lines with monospace type 
 break correctly,
 and didn't want to use \begin{sloppy} and \end{sloppy} on every paragraph 
 with monospace,
 what would be your thought process in attempting to find a package to 
 accommodate this? I'm
 not at all interested in the package name, I'm asking about your thought 
 process in the
 search.
 
 Thanks
 
 SteveT
 
 On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:12:10 -0500 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com 
 suggested this:
 
 Let me ask you this: If you needed to have all lines with monospace type 
 break correctly,
 and didn't want to use \begin{sloppy} and \end{sloppy} on every paragraph 
 with monospace,
 what would be your thought process in attempting to find a package to 
 accommodate this? I'm
 not at all interested in the package name, I'm asking about your thought 
 process in the
 search.
 
 Firstly, I must admit that I didn't know what monospace font was, so I 
 googled it, which is 
 always my first port of call for any unknown. Using all manner of search 
 terms rather than 
 trolling through the pages of links that Google puts up.
 
 Then I see what you're talking about, as a document in Latin Modern 
 Typewriter is created.
 
 Now that I have an idea what monospace fonts are, and see the ragged edge at 
 the right of the 
 page, I can move on. So would firstly see what LyX has to offer in the 
 document settings with 
 regard to “justify”.
 
 Finding that, failing to create the desired result, would probably use the 
 search term
 “justify words in a sentence” using Google. Because if someone were writing 
 about monospace in
 a document for someone like me who has no idea how to do it, they might use a 
 dumbed down
 term. I'm an uneducated man. Later I would use the word monospace to ensure 
 that some of the
 more technical solutions would be visible.
 
 Now it depends just how much I want the effect of in line text on both sides 
 of the page. If I 
 was really bloody minded I would try different document classes first.
 
 I would try all the options and the ERT's and the preamble inserts and look 
 for the results on 
 each attempt. I would place some of the preamble commands in different places 
 in the preamble 
 and even try the preamble commands in ERT's.
 
 I would keep writing and polishing my document, so all this experimenting 
 might happen over a 
 period of days or weeks, coming upon a writing abyss and needing to move away 
 from it to find 
 the solution. Try new search terms used on Google any new wrinkle thought of 
 would be tried.
 
 I would post on this list and ask if anyone had any ideas/solutions or off 
 the wall 
 suggestions.
 
 If I found a package during my Googling that looks promising I may download 
 it, then try to
 put it where it should be and give it a larrup. But being a Debian user, tend 
 to stay with
 what's available and installed by default, but not devoutly.
 
 When crafting the text has finished I would try the various document classes, 
 view them,
 select the one I liked best, after accepting the limitations of each and give 
 up trying for my 
 prejudice of perfection.

And don't forget tex stackexchange (http://tex.stackexchange.com/) - has helped

Re: Finding packages............

[Rainer M Krug]

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Hash: SHA1

On 14/01/13 03:09, aries...@skymesh.com.au wrote:
 On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:12:10 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
 On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:52:03 +1100, Charlie said:
 
 Hi all,
 
 A lot of you are able to instantly find LaTeX packages to solve random 
 problems. I can't 
 do that and want to learn how. I know of the existence of ctan.org just 
 like everyone 
 else, but there's something in my mental makeup that's different from 
 yours, and I want 
 to adopt your beliefs and your mindset in order to produce your results.
 
 I know to most of you this sounds trivial and self-explanatory, but to me 
 it's anything 
 but, so please tell me your beliefs, mindset and techniques as you search 
 for a package 
 to solve a specific problem.
 
 Thanks so much,
 
 SteveT
 
 I have taken the liberty of starting a new thread because it's a good 
 question, though I 
 would expand that by asking where the packages should be placed in the 
 /home/{user}/.lyx
 or the /usr/share/lyx directories. I don't know where they should go but 
 just guess, by
 file association.
 
 Place them where .sty, or whatever files exist, and if they are in more 
 than one directory 
 try them in several places till Reconfigure or texhash does it's work 
 and finds them.
 
 In reply to the above: in http://ctan.org/ type into the Search aperture 
 what it is you 
 need and allow it to be found.
 
 Doing that with vancouver for instance, takes you on the journey to the 
 files. Which of 
 them is required and where to put them is another question?
 
 In my case I would seek out where .bib, bst, and .tex files reside and 
 place each there.
 
 Probably doesn't help at all.
 
 Charlie
 
 Thanks Charlie,
 
 It's definitely a start.
 
 Let me ask you this: If you needed to have all lines with monospace type 
 break correctly,
 and didn't want to use \begin{sloppy} and \end{sloppy} on every paragraph 
 with monospace,
 what would be your thought process in attempting to find a package to 
 accommodate this? I'm
 not at all interested in the package name, I'm asking about your thought 
 process in the
 search.
 
 Thanks
 
 SteveT
 
 On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:12:10 -0500 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com 
 suggested this:
 
 Let me ask you this: If you needed to have all lines with monospace type 
 break correctly,
 and didn't want to use \begin{sloppy} and \end{sloppy} on every paragraph 
 with monospace,
 what would be your thought process in attempting to find a package to 
 accommodate this? I'm
 not at all interested in the package name, I'm asking about your thought 
 process in the
 search.
 
 Firstly, I must admit that I didn't know what monospace font was, so I 
 googled it, which is 
 always my first port of call for any unknown. Using all manner of search 
 terms rather than 
 trolling through the pages of links that Google puts up.
 
 Then I see what you're talking about, as a document in Latin Modern 
 Typewriter is created.
 
 Now that I have an idea what monospace fonts are, and see the ragged edge at 
 the right of the 
 page, I can move on. So would firstly see what LyX has to offer in the 
 document settings with 
 regard to “justify”.
 
 Finding that, failing to create the desired result, would probably use the 
 search term
 “justify words in a sentence” using Google. Because if someone were writing 
 about monospace in
 a document for someone like me who has no idea how to do it, they might use a 
 dumbed down
 term. I'm an uneducated man. Later I would use the word monospace to ensure 
 that some of the
 more technical solutions would be visible.
 
 Now it depends just how much I want the effect of in line text on both sides 
 of the page. If I 
 was really bloody minded I would try different document classes first.
 
 I would try all the options and the ERT's and the preamble inserts and look 
 for the results on 
 each attempt. I would place some of the preamble commands in different places 
 in the preamble 
 and even try the preamble commands in ERT's.
 
 I would keep writing and polishing my document, so all this experimenting 
 might happen over a 
 period of days or weeks, coming upon a writing abyss and needing to move away 
 from it to find 
 the solution. Try new search terms used on Google any new wrinkle thought of 
 would be tried.
 
 I would post on this list and ask if anyone had any ideas/solutions or off 
 the wall 
 suggestions.
 
 If I found a package during my Googling that looks promising I may download 
 it, then try to
 put it where it should be and give it a larrup. But being a Debian user, tend 
 to stay with
 what's available and installed by default, but not devoutly.
 
 When crafting the text has finished I would try the various document classes, 
 view them,
 select the one I liked best, after accepting the limitations of each and give 
 up trying for my 
 prejudice of perfection.

And don't forget tex stackexchange (http://tex.stackexchange.com/) - has helped

Re: Finding packages............

[Rainer M Krug]

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On 14/01/13 03:09, aries...@skymesh.com.au wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:12:10 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:52:03 +1100, Charlie said:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> A lot of you are able to instantly find LaTeX packages to solve random 
>>>> problems. I can't 
>>>> do that and want to learn how. I know of the existence of ctan.org just 
>>>> like everyone 
>>>> else, but there's something in my mental makeup that's different from 
>>>> yours, and I want 
>>>> to adopt your beliefs and your mindset in order to produce your results.
>>>> 
>>>> I know to most of you this sounds trivial and self-explanatory, but to me 
>>>> it's anything 
>>>> but, so please tell me your beliefs, mindset and techniques as you search 
>>>> for a package 
>>>> to solve a specific problem.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks so much,
>>>> 
>>>> SteveT
>>> 
>>> I have taken the liberty of starting a new thread because it's a good 
>>> question, though I 
>>> would expand that by asking where the packages should be placed in the 
>>> /home/{user}/.lyx
>>> or the /usr/share/lyx directories. I don't know where they should go but 
>>> just guess, by
>>> file association.
>>> 
>>> Place them where .sty, or whatever files exist, and if they are in more 
>>> than one directory 
>>> try them in several places till "Reconfigure" or "texhash" does it's work 
>>> and finds them.
>>> 
>>> In reply to the above: in http://ctan.org/ type into the "Search" aperture 
>>> what it is you 
>>> need and allow it to be found.
>>> 
>>> Doing that with vancouver for instance, takes you on the journey to the 
>>> files. Which of 
>>> them is required and where to put them is another question?
>>> 
>>> In my case I would seek out where .bib, bst, and .tex files reside and 
>>> place each there.
>>> 
>>> Probably doesn't help at all.
>>> 
>>> Charlie
>> 
>> Thanks Charlie,
>> 
>> It's definitely a start.
>> 
>> Let me ask you this: If you needed to have all lines with monospace type 
>> break correctly,
>> and didn't want to use \begin{sloppy} and \end{sloppy} on every paragraph 
>> with monospace,
>> what would be your thought process in attempting to find a package to 
>> accommodate this? I'm
>> not at all interested in the package name, I'm asking about your thought 
>> process in the
>> search.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> SteveT
> 
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:12:10 -0500 "Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com" 
> suggested this:
> 
>> Let me ask you this: If you needed to have all lines with monospace type 
>> break correctly,
>> and didn't want to use \begin{sloppy} and \end{sloppy} on every paragraph 
>> with monospace,
>> what would be your thought process in attempting to find a package to 
>> accommodate this? I'm
>> not at all interested in the package name, I'm asking about your thought 
>> process in the
>> search.
> 
> Firstly, I must admit that I didn't know what monospace font was, so I 
> googled it, which is 
> always my first port of call for any unknown. Using all manner of search 
> terms rather than 
> trolling through the pages of links that Google puts up.
> 
> Then I see what you're talking about, as a document in Latin Modern 
> Typewriter is created.
> 
> Now that I have an idea what monospace fonts are, and see the ragged edge at 
> the right of the 
> page, I can move on. So would firstly see what LyX has to offer in the 
> document settings with 
> regard to “justify”.
> 
> Finding that, failing to create the desired result, would probably use the 
> search term
> “justify words in a sentence” using Google. Because if someone were writing 
> about monospace in
> a document for someone like me who has no idea how to do it, they might use a 
> dumbed down
> term. I'm an uneducated man. Later I would use the word monospace to ensure 
> that some of the
> more technical solutions would be visible.
> 
> Now it depends just how much I want the effect of in line text on both sides 
> of the page. If I 
> was really bloody minded I would try different document classes first.
> 
> I would try all the options and the ERT's and the preamble inserts and look 
> for the results on 
> each attemp

Finding packages............

[Charlie]

Hi all,

A lot of you are able to instantly find LaTeX packages to solve random
problems. I can't do that and want to learn how. I know of the
existence of ctan.org just like everyone else, but there's something in
my mental makeup that's different from yours, and I want to adopt your
beliefs and your mindset in order to produce your results.

I know to most of you this sounds trivial and self-explanatory, but to
me it's anything but, so please tell me your beliefs, mindset and
techniques as you search for a package to solve a specific problem.

Thanks so much,

SteveT

I have taken the liberty of starting a new thread because it's a good
question, though I would expand that by asking where the packages
should be placed in the /home/{user}/.lyx or the /usr/share/lyx
directories. I don't know where they should go but just guess, by file
association.

Place them where .sty, or whatever files exist, and if they are in more
than one directory try them in several places till Reconfigure
or texhash does it's work and finds them.

In reply to the above: in http://ctan.org/ type into the Search
aperture what it is you need and allow it to be found.

Doing that with vancouver for instance, takes you on the journey to the
files. Which of them is required and where to put them is another
question?

In my case I would seek out where .bib, bst, and .tex files reside and
place each there.

Probably doesn't help at all.

Charlie
-- 
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

At a given moment I open my eyes and exist. And before that,
during all eternity, what was there? Nothing. - Ugo Betti

***

Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic

-

Re: Finding packages............

[Steve Litt]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:52:03 +1100, Charlie said:
 
   Hi all,
 
 A lot of you are able to instantly find LaTeX packages to solve
 random problems. I can't do that and want to learn how. I know of the
 existence of ctan.org just like everyone else, but there's something
 in my mental makeup that's different from yours, and I want to adopt
 your beliefs and your mindset in order to produce your results.
 
 I know to most of you this sounds trivial and self-explanatory, but
 to me it's anything but, so please tell me your beliefs, mindset and
 techniques as you search for a package to solve a specific problem.
 
 Thanks so much,
 
 SteveT
 
 I have taken the liberty of starting a new thread because it's a good
 question, though I would expand that by asking where the packages
 should be placed in the /home/{user}/.lyx or the /usr/share/lyx
 directories. I don't know where they should go but just guess, by file
 association.
 
 Place them where .sty, or whatever files exist, and if they are in
 more than one directory try them in several places till Reconfigure
 or texhash does it's work and finds them.
 
 In reply to the above: in http://ctan.org/ type into the Search
 aperture what it is you need and allow it to be found.
 
 Doing that with vancouver for instance, takes you on the journey to
 the files. Which of them is required and where to put them is another
 question?
 
 In my case I would seek out where .bib, bst, and .tex files reside and
 place each there.
 
 Probably doesn't help at all.
 
 Charlie

Thanks Charlie,

It's definitely a start.

Let me ask you this: If you needed to have all lines with monospace
type break correctly, and didn't want to use \begin{sloppy} and
\end{sloppy} on every paragraph with monospace, what would be your
thought process in attempting to find a package to accommodate this?
I'm not at all interested in the package name, I'm asking about your
thought process in the search.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Finding packages............

[ariestao]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:12:10 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:52:03 +1100, Charlie said:


Hi all,

A lot of you are able to instantly find LaTeX packages to solve
random problems. I can't do that and want to learn how. I know of 
the
existence of ctan.org just like everyone else, but there's 
something
in my mental makeup that's different from yours, and I want to 
adopt

your beliefs and your mindset in order to produce your results.

I know to most of you this sounds trivial and self-explanatory, but
to me it's anything but, so please tell me your beliefs, mindset 
and

techniques as you search for a package to solve a specific problem.

Thanks so much,

SteveT

I have taken the liberty of starting a new thread because it's a 
good

question, though I would expand that by asking where the packages
should be placed in the /home/{user}/.lyx or the /usr/share/lyx
directories. I don't know where they should go but just guess, by 
file

association.

Place them where .sty, or whatever files exist, and if they are in
more than one directory try them in several places till 
Reconfigure

or texhash does it's work and finds them.

In reply to the above: in http://ctan.org/ type into the Search
aperture what it is you need and allow it to be found.

Doing that with vancouver for instance, takes you on the journey to
the files. Which of them is required and where to put them is 
another

question?

In my case I would seek out where .bib, bst, and .tex files reside 
and

place each there.

Probably doesn't help at all.

Charlie


Thanks Charlie,

It's definitely a start.

Let me ask you this: If you needed to have all lines with monospace
type break correctly, and didn't want to use \begin{sloppy} and
\end{sloppy} on every paragraph with monospace, what would be your
thought process in attempting to find a package to accommodate this?
I'm not at all interested in the package name, I'm asking about your
thought process in the search.

Thanks

SteveT


 On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:12:10 -0500 Steve Litt
 sl...@troubleshooters.com suggested this:


Let me ask you this: If you needed to have all lines with monospace
type break correctly, and didn't want to use \begin{sloppy} and
\end{sloppy} on every paragraph with monospace, what would be your
thought process in attempting to find a package to accommodate this?
I'm not at all interested in the package name, I'm asking about your
thought process in the search.


Firstly, I must admit that I didn't know what monospace font was, so I
googled it, which is always my first port of call for any unknown. 
Using

all manner of search terms rather than trolling through the pages of
links that Google puts up.

Then I see what you're talking about, as a document in Latin Modern
Typewriter is created.

Now that I have an idea what monospace fonts are, and see the ragged
edge at the right of the page, I can move on. So would firstly see what
LyX has to offer in the document settings with regard to “justify”.

Finding that, failing to create the desired result, would probably use
the search term “justify words in a sentence” using Google. Because if
someone were writing about monospace in a document for someone like me
who has no idea how to do it, they might use a dumbed down term. I'm an
uneducated man. Later I would use the word monospace to ensure that
some of the more technical solutions would be visible.

Now it depends just how much I want the effect of in line text on both
sides of the page. If I was really bloody minded I would try different
document classes first.

I would try all the options and the ERT's and the preamble inserts and
look for the results on each attempt. I would place some of the
preamble commands in different places in the preamble and even try the
preamble commands in ERT's.

I would keep writing and polishing my document, so all this
experimenting might happen over a period of days or weeks, coming upon
a writing abyss and needing to move away from it to find the solution.
Try new search terms used on Google any new wrinkle thought of would be
tried.

I would post on this list and ask if anyone had any ideas/solutions or
off the wall suggestions.

If I found a package during my Googling that looks promising I may
download it, then try to put it where it should be and give it a
larrup. But being a Debian user, tend to stay with what's available and
installed by default, but not devoutly.

When crafting the text has finished I would try the various document
classes, view them, select the one I liked best, after accepting the
limitations of each and give up trying for my prejudice of perfection.

Charlie
--
**  **  **  **  **  **  **  **  **  **
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

Every man is guilty of all the good he didn't do. -Voltaire

***
Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic
___

Finding packages............

[Charlie]

Hi all,

A lot of you are able to instantly find LaTeX packages to solve random
problems. I can't do that and want to learn how. I know of the
existence of ctan.org just like everyone else, but there's something in
my mental makeup that's different from yours, and I want to adopt your
beliefs and your mindset in order to produce your results.

I know to most of you this sounds trivial and self-explanatory, but to
me it's anything but, so please tell me your beliefs, mindset and
techniques as you search for a package to solve a specific problem.

Thanks so much,

SteveT

I have taken the liberty of starting a new thread because it's a good
question, though I would expand that by asking where the packages
should be placed in the /home/{user}/.lyx or the /usr/share/lyx
directories. I don't know where they should go but just guess, by file
association.

Place them where .sty, or whatever files exist, and if they are in more
than one directory try them in several places till Reconfigure
or texhash does it's work and finds them.

In reply to the above: in http://ctan.org/ type into the Search
aperture what it is you need and allow it to be found.

Doing that with vancouver for instance, takes you on the journey to the
files. Which of them is required and where to put them is another
question?

In my case I would seek out where .bib, bst, and .tex files reside and
place each there.

Probably doesn't help at all.

Charlie
-- 
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

At a given moment I open my eyes and exist. And before that,
during all eternity, what was there? Nothing. - Ugo Betti

***

Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic

-

Re: Finding packages............

[Steve Litt]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:52:03 +1100, Charlie said:
 
   Hi all,
 
 A lot of you are able to instantly find LaTeX packages to solve
 random problems. I can't do that and want to learn how. I know of the
 existence of ctan.org just like everyone else, but there's something
 in my mental makeup that's different from yours, and I want to adopt
 your beliefs and your mindset in order to produce your results.
 
 I know to most of you this sounds trivial and self-explanatory, but
 to me it's anything but, so please tell me your beliefs, mindset and
 techniques as you search for a package to solve a specific problem.
 
 Thanks so much,
 
 SteveT
 
 I have taken the liberty of starting a new thread because it's a good
 question, though I would expand that by asking where the packages
 should be placed in the /home/{user}/.lyx or the /usr/share/lyx
 directories. I don't know where they should go but just guess, by file
 association.
 
 Place them where .sty, or whatever files exist, and if they are in
 more than one directory try them in several places till Reconfigure
 or texhash does it's work and finds them.
 
 In reply to the above: in http://ctan.org/ type into the Search
 aperture what it is you need and allow it to be found.
 
 Doing that with vancouver for instance, takes you on the journey to
 the files. Which of them is required and where to put them is another
 question?
 
 In my case I would seek out where .bib, bst, and .tex files reside and
 place each there.
 
 Probably doesn't help at all.
 
 Charlie

Thanks Charlie,

It's definitely a start.

Let me ask you this: If you needed to have all lines with monospace
type break correctly, and didn't want to use \begin{sloppy} and
\end{sloppy} on every paragraph with monospace, what would be your
thought process in attempting to find a package to accommodate this?
I'm not at all interested in the package name, I'm asking about your
thought process in the search.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Finding packages............

[ariestao]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:12:10 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:52:03 +1100, Charlie said:


Hi all,

A lot of you are able to instantly find LaTeX packages to solve
random problems. I can't do that and want to learn how. I know of 
the
existence of ctan.org just like everyone else, but there's 
something
in my mental makeup that's different from yours, and I want to 
adopt

your beliefs and your mindset in order to produce your results.

I know to most of you this sounds trivial and self-explanatory, but
to me it's anything but, so please tell me your beliefs, mindset 
and

techniques as you search for a package to solve a specific problem.

Thanks so much,

SteveT

I have taken the liberty of starting a new thread because it's a 
good

question, though I would expand that by asking where the packages
should be placed in the /home/{user}/.lyx or the /usr/share/lyx
directories. I don't know where they should go but just guess, by 
file

association.

Place them where .sty, or whatever files exist, and if they are in
more than one directory try them in several places till 
Reconfigure

or texhash does it's work and finds them.

In reply to the above: in http://ctan.org/ type into the Search
aperture what it is you need and allow it to be found.

Doing that with vancouver for instance, takes you on the journey to
the files. Which of them is required and where to put them is 
another

question?

In my case I would seek out where .bib, bst, and .tex files reside 
and

place each there.

Probably doesn't help at all.

Charlie


Thanks Charlie,

It's definitely a start.

Let me ask you this: If you needed to have all lines with monospace
type break correctly, and didn't want to use \begin{sloppy} and
\end{sloppy} on every paragraph with monospace, what would be your
thought process in attempting to find a package to accommodate this?
I'm not at all interested in the package name, I'm asking about your
thought process in the search.

Thanks

SteveT


 On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:12:10 -0500 Steve Litt
 sl...@troubleshooters.com suggested this:


Let me ask you this: If you needed to have all lines with monospace
type break correctly, and didn't want to use \begin{sloppy} and
\end{sloppy} on every paragraph with monospace, what would be your
thought process in attempting to find a package to accommodate this?
I'm not at all interested in the package name, I'm asking about your
thought process in the search.


Firstly, I must admit that I didn't know what monospace font was, so I
googled it, which is always my first port of call for any unknown. 
Using

all manner of search terms rather than trolling through the pages of
links that Google puts up.

Then I see what you're talking about, as a document in Latin Modern
Typewriter is created.

Now that I have an idea what monospace fonts are, and see the ragged
edge at the right of the page, I can move on. So would firstly see what
LyX has to offer in the document settings with regard to “justify”.

Finding that, failing to create the desired result, would probably use
the search term “justify words in a sentence” using Google. Because if
someone were writing about monospace in a document for someone like me
who has no idea how to do it, they might use a dumbed down term. I'm an
uneducated man. Later I would use the word monospace to ensure that
some of the more technical solutions would be visible.

Now it depends just how much I want the effect of in line text on both
sides of the page. If I was really bloody minded I would try different
document classes first.

I would try all the options and the ERT's and the preamble inserts and
look for the results on each attempt. I would place some of the
preamble commands in different places in the preamble and even try the
preamble commands in ERT's.

I would keep writing and polishing my document, so all this
experimenting might happen over a period of days or weeks, coming upon
a writing abyss and needing to move away from it to find the solution.
Try new search terms used on Google any new wrinkle thought of would be
tried.

I would post on this list and ask if anyone had any ideas/solutions or
off the wall suggestions.

If I found a package during my Googling that looks promising I may
download it, then try to put it where it should be and give it a
larrup. But being a Debian user, tend to stay with what's available and
installed by default, but not devoutly.

When crafting the text has finished I would try the various document
classes, view them, select the one I liked best, after accepting the
limitations of each and give up trying for my prejudice of perfection.

Charlie
--
**  **  **  **  **  **  **  **  **  **
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

Every man is guilty of all the good he didn't do. -Voltaire

***
Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic
___

Finding packages............

[Charlie]

>Hi all,
>
>A lot of you are able to instantly find LaTeX packages to solve random
>problems. I can't do that and want to learn how. I know of the
>existence of ctan.org just like everyone else, but there's something in
>my mental makeup that's different from yours, and I want to adopt your
>beliefs and your mindset in order to produce your results.
>
>I know to most of you this sounds trivial and self-explanatory, but to
>me it's anything but, so please tell me your beliefs, mindset and
>techniques as you search for a package to solve a specific problem.
>
>Thanks so much,
>
>SteveT

I have taken the liberty of starting a new thread because it's a good
question, though I would expand that by asking where the packages
should be placed in the /home/{user}/.lyx or the /usr/share/lyx
directories. I don't know where they should go but just guess, by file
association.

Place them where .sty, or whatever files exist, and if they are in more
than one directory try them in several places till "Reconfigure"
or "texhash" does it's work and finds them.

In reply to the above: in http://ctan.org/ type into the "Search"
aperture what it is you need and allow it to be found.

Doing that with vancouver for instance, takes you on the journey to the
files. Which of them is required and where to put them is another
question?

In my case I would seek out where .bib, bst, and .tex files reside and
place each there.

Probably doesn't help at all.

Charlie
-- 
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

At a given moment I open my eyes and exist. And before that,
during all eternity, what was there? Nothing. - Ugo Betti

***

Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic

-

Re: Finding packages............

[Steve Litt]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:52:03 +1100, Charlie said:
> 
>   >Hi all,
> >
> >A lot of you are able to instantly find LaTeX packages to solve
> >random problems. I can't do that and want to learn how. I know of the
> >existence of ctan.org just like everyone else, but there's something
> >in my mental makeup that's different from yours, and I want to adopt
> >your beliefs and your mindset in order to produce your results.
> >
> >I know to most of you this sounds trivial and self-explanatory, but
> >to me it's anything but, so please tell me your beliefs, mindset and
> >techniques as you search for a package to solve a specific problem.
> >
> >Thanks so much,
> >
> >SteveT
> 
> I have taken the liberty of starting a new thread because it's a good
> question, though I would expand that by asking where the packages
> should be placed in the /home/{user}/.lyx or the /usr/share/lyx
> directories. I don't know where they should go but just guess, by file
> association.
> 
> Place them where .sty, or whatever files exist, and if they are in
> more than one directory try them in several places till "Reconfigure"
> or "texhash" does it's work and finds them.
> 
> In reply to the above: in http://ctan.org/ type into the "Search"
> aperture what it is you need and allow it to be found.
> 
> Doing that with vancouver for instance, takes you on the journey to
> the files. Which of them is required and where to put them is another
> question?
> 
> In my case I would seek out where .bib, bst, and .tex files reside and
> place each there.
> 
> Probably doesn't help at all.
> 
> Charlie

Thanks Charlie,

It's definitely a start.

Let me ask you this: If you needed to have all lines with monospace
type break correctly, and didn't want to use \begin{sloppy} and
\end{sloppy} on every paragraph with monospace, what would be your
thought process in attempting to find a package to accommodate this?
I'm not at all interested in the package name, I'm asking about your
thought process in the search.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Finding packages............

[ariestao]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:12:10 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:52:03 +1100, Charlie said:


>Hi all,
>
>A lot of you are able to instantly find LaTeX packages to solve
>random problems. I can't do that and want to learn how. I know of 
the
>existence of ctan.org just like everyone else, but there's 
something
>in my mental makeup that's different from yours, and I want to 
adopt

>your beliefs and your mindset in order to produce your results.
>
>I know to most of you this sounds trivial and self-explanatory, but
>to me it's anything but, so please tell me your beliefs, mindset 
and

>techniques as you search for a package to solve a specific problem.
>
>Thanks so much,
>
>SteveT

I have taken the liberty of starting a new thread because it's a 
good

question, though I would expand that by asking where the packages
should be placed in the /home/{user}/.lyx or the /usr/share/lyx
directories. I don't know where they should go but just guess, by 
file

association.

Place them where .sty, or whatever files exist, and if they are in
more than one directory try them in several places till 
"Reconfigure"

or "texhash" does it's work and finds them.

In reply to the above: in http://ctan.org/ type into the "Search"
aperture what it is you need and allow it to be found.

Doing that with vancouver for instance, takes you on the journey to
the files. Which of them is required and where to put them is 
another

question?

In my case I would seek out where .bib, bst, and .tex files reside 
and

place each there.

Probably doesn't help at all.

Charlie


Thanks Charlie,

It's definitely a start.

Let me ask you this: If you needed to have all lines with monospace
type break correctly, and didn't want to use \begin{sloppy} and
\end{sloppy} on every paragraph with monospace, what would be your
thought process in attempting to find a package to accommodate this?
I'm not at all interested in the package name, I'm asking about your
thought process in the search.

Thanks

SteveT


 On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:12:10 -0500 "Steve Litt
 sl...@troubleshooters.com" suggested this:


Let me ask you this: If you needed to have all lines with monospace
type break correctly, and didn't want to use \begin{sloppy} and
\end{sloppy} on every paragraph with monospace, what would be your
thought process in attempting to find a package to accommodate this?
I'm not at all interested in the package name, I'm asking about your
thought process in the search.


Firstly, I must admit that I didn't know what monospace font was, so I
googled it, which is always my first port of call for any unknown. 
Using

all manner of search terms rather than trolling through the pages of
links that Google puts up.

Then I see what you're talking about, as a document in Latin Modern
Typewriter is created.

Now that I have an idea what monospace fonts are, and see the ragged
edge at the right of the page, I can move on. So would firstly see what
LyX has to offer in the document settings with regard to “justify”.

Finding that, failing to create the desired result, would probably use
the search term “justify words in a sentence” using Google. Because if
someone were writing about monospace in a document for someone like me
who has no idea how to do it, they might use a dumbed down term. I'm an
uneducated man. Later I would use the word monospace to ensure that
some of the more technical solutions would be visible.

Now it depends just how much I want the effect of in line text on both
sides of the page. If I was really bloody minded I would try different
document classes first.

I would try all the options and the ERT's and the preamble inserts and
look for the results on each attempt. I would place some of the
preamble commands in different places in the preamble and even try the
preamble commands in ERT's.

I would keep writing and polishing my document, so all this
experimenting might happen over a period of days or weeks, coming upon
a writing abyss and needing to move away from it to find the solution.
Try new search terms used on Google any new wrinkle thought of would be
tried.

I would post on this list and ask if anyone had any ideas/solutions or
off the wall suggestions.

If I found a package during my Googling that looks promising I may
download it, then try to put it where it should be and give it a
larrup. But being a Debian user, tend to stay with what's available and
installed by default, but not devoutly.

When crafting the text has finished I would try the various document
classes, view them, select the one I liked best, after accepting the
limitations of each and give up trying for my prejudice of perfection.

Charlie
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how to install packages

[Mirko Mastrolia]

Deatr Lyx staff,
please help me to understand how to do it for installing packagesi went
on ftp://ftp.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/install/ to install asmlatex, followed
instructions but i cannot find a folder which is present in the installing
notes (TEXMF/doc/latex/amscls)...which are even a disaster to
understand...please help me..i've to finish dissertation within tonight and
i am stuggling with this matter since 2 hours...
thanks..
Mirko

Re: how to install packages

[Paul A . Rubin]

You did not specify your operating system, and the answer is OS-specific.  If
you are using MiKTeX on Windows, there is a package installer in the MiKTeX
folder of the Start menu -- use that to download and install the package.

If you are using Linux, your LaTeX distribution may have a package manager of
its own. (Recent versions of TexLive do.)  Again, you can use that (run it in a
terminal) to download and install packages.  Failing that, open a terminal and
run 'kpsewhich -show-path tex' to get a list of directories LaTeX will search
for class (.cls) and style (,sty) files, and 'kpsewhich -show-path doc' for
directories where it will look for package documentation.  Look for directories
under /home/your login and park your files in appropriately named folders
there (using the package readme as guidance).

Paul

how to install packages

[Mirko Mastrolia]

Deatr Lyx staff,
please help me to understand how to do it for installing packagesi went
on ftp://ftp.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/install/ to install asmlatex, followed
instructions but i cannot find a folder which is present in the installing
notes (TEXMF/doc/latex/amscls)...which are even a disaster to
understand...please help me..i've to finish dissertation within tonight and
i am stuggling with this matter since 2 hours...
thanks..
Mirko

Re: how to install packages

[Paul A . Rubin]

You did not specify your operating system, and the answer is OS-specific.  If
you are using MiKTeX on Windows, there is a package installer in the MiKTeX
folder of the Start menu -- use that to download and install the package.

If you are using Linux, your LaTeX distribution may have a package manager of
its own. (Recent versions of TexLive do.)  Again, you can use that (run it in a
terminal) to download and install packages.  Failing that, open a terminal and
run 'kpsewhich -show-path tex' to get a list of directories LaTeX will search
for class (.cls) and style (,sty) files, and 'kpsewhich -show-path doc' for
directories where it will look for package documentation.  Look for directories
under /home/your login and park your files in appropriately named folders
there (using the package readme as guidance).

Paul

how to install packages

[Mirko Mastrolia]

Deatr Lyx staff,
please help me to understand how to do it for installing packagesi went
on ftp://ftp.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/install/ to install asmlatex, followed
instructions but i cannot find a folder which is present in the installing
notes (TEXMF/doc/latex/amscls)...which are even a disaster to
understand...please help me..i've to finish dissertation within tonight and
i am stuggling with this matter since 2 hours...
thanks..
Mirko

Re: how to install packages

[Paul A . Rubin]

You did not specify your operating system, and the answer is OS-specific.  If
you are using MiKTeX on Windows, there is a package installer in the MiKTeX
folder of the Start menu -- use that to download and install the package.

If you are using Linux, your LaTeX distribution may have a package manager of
its own. (Recent versions of TexLive do.)  Again, you can use that (run it in a
terminal) to download and install packages.  Failing that, open a terminal and
run 'kpsewhich -show-path tex' to get a list of directories LaTeX will search
for class (.cls) and style (,sty) files, and 'kpsewhich -show-path doc' for
directories where it will look for package documentation.  Look for directories
under /home/ and park your files in appropriately named folders
there (using the package readme as guidance).

Paul

Re: Enumerate in table with no additional packages?

[stefano franchi]

On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Paul A. Rubin ru...@msu.edu wrote:
 stefano franchi stefano.franchi at gmail.com writes:



 Is it possible to enumerate the rows of a table, without using external
 packages? I vaguely remember seeing a solution to this problem, perhaps in a
 Latex list or perhaps here, but I cannot find it anymore.

 It can be done with ERT, if that's what you want. Add the following to the
 document preamble:

 \newcounter{trow}
 \newcommand{\firstrow}{\setcounter{trow}{1}\arabic{trow}.}
 \newcommand{\nextrow}{\addtocounter{trow}{1}\arabic{trow}.}

Thanks Paul,

that's neat. Exactly what i had in mind (except I didn't know how to do it).

Cheers,

Stefano


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College Station, Texas, USA

Re: Enumerate in table with no additional packages?

[stefano franchi]

On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Paul A. Rubin ru...@msu.edu wrote:
 stefano franchi stefano.franchi at gmail.com writes:



 Is it possible to enumerate the rows of a table, without using external
 packages? I vaguely remember seeing a solution to this problem, perhaps in a
 Latex list or perhaps here, but I cannot find it anymore.

 It can be done with ERT, if that's what you want. Add the following to the
 document preamble:

 \newcounter{trow}
 \newcommand{\firstrow}{\setcounter{trow}{1}\arabic{trow}.}
 \newcommand{\nextrow}{\addtocounter{trow}{1}\arabic{trow}.}

Thanks Paul,

that's neat. Exactly what i had in mind (except I didn't know how to do it).

Cheers,

Stefano


-- 
__
Stefano Franchi
Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic Studies            Ph:   +1 (979) 845-2125
Texas AM University                          Fax:  +1 (979) 845-6421
College Station, Texas, USA

Re: Enumerate in table with no additional packages?

[stefano franchi]

On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Paul A. Rubin <ru...@msu.edu> wrote:
> stefano franchi  gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>>
>> Is it possible to enumerate the rows of a table, without using external
> packages? I vaguely remember seeing a solution to this problem, perhaps in a
> Latex list or perhaps here, but I cannot find it anymore.
>
> It can be done with ERT, if that's what you want. Add the following to the
> document preamble:
>
> \newcounter{trow}
> \newcommand{\firstrow}{\setcounter{trow}{1}\arabic{trow}.}
> \newcommand{\nextrow}{\addtocounter{trow}{1}\arabic{trow}.}

Thanks Paul,

that's neat. Exactly what i had in mind (except I didn't know how to do it).

Cheers,

Stefano


-- 
__
Stefano Franchi
Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic Studies            Ph:   +1 (979) 845-2125
Texas A University                          Fax:  +1 (979) 845-6421
College Station, Texas, USA