[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

Team, the programs in the Games, Drives, Utilities, Text, Programming,
Education, Print, Telcom & BBS, and Graphics & Timers tabs are up.

new shorter link to archive:www.sonore.us/m100

Jesus R

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[NURF NURD]

agreed thanks for all you do i am a new M100 owner

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 10:30 PM you got me  wrote:

> thank you for running this project. It makes it easier for some m100
> owners to grab and use software. Who knows, maybe it will help to grow the
> m100 community.
> --
> *From:* M100  on behalf of Jesus R <
> sonor...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 13, 2018 7:28 PM
> *To:* m100@lists.bitchin100.com
> *Subject:* [M100] program library in WAV format
>
>
> Team, the programs in the Games, Drives, Utilities, Text, Programming, 
> Education, and Print tabs are up.
>
> new shorter link to archive:www.sonore.us/m100
>
> Jesus R
>
>

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[you got me]

thank you for running this project. It makes it easier for some m100 owners to 
grab and use software. Who knows, maybe it will help to grow the m100 community.

From: M100  on behalf of Jesus R 

Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 7:28 PM
To: m100@lists.bitchin100.com
Subject: [M100] program library in WAV format


Team, the programs in the Games, Drives, Utilities, Text, Programming, 
Education, and Print tabs are up.

new shorter link to archive:
www.sonore.us/m100<http://www.sonore.us/m100>

Jesus R

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

Team, the programs in the Games, Drives, Utilities, Text, Programming,
Education, and Print tabs are up.

new shorter link to archive:www.sonore.us/m100

Jesus R

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[BiggRanger]

Of some interest might be the utilities WAV2CAS and CAS2WAV, they are 
available here:

http://knut.one/wav2cas.htm

Here is a nice write up of it in use with a Model 200:
http://munk.org/typecast/2014/07/25/file-transfer-for-trs-80-model-100102200-using-a-digital-audio-recorder-the-road-less-travelled/

and video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exdiQdjioyQ

Darren Clark

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

I have started the process for converting the "Programming" software to WAY
format. I'm picking these genres at random so if there are any request
please let me know.

Also, I have been sent some software which I could add to the list.
However, I'm having a touch time since they are scattered in folders and
might not have back up docs. I'm hard pressed to convert these and organize
them. Some of the files are in MP3 format which I don't care for:) Some
have multiply recordings on one track which I'm not sure what to do with
and don't always know what's on them. I can start by figuring out a way to
list it all and maybe people can have a look and comment on them. Any
recommendations on this would be greatly appreciated.

Jesus R

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

John, agree. No worries...I'll drop another post next to move things in the
right direction.

Jesus R

-

Somehow this looks like a new thread to me so I don't know how we got here.

I'm ok with threads staying on topic or asking that others keep it on
topic. I'm also ok with threads veering off the original topic. It happens.
People tend to self correct.

Just do so politely please.

No hard and fast rule here from me other than the politeness thing.


"Be excellent to each other"

-- John.

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[John R. Hogerhuis]

Somehow this looks like a new thread to me so I don't know how we got here.

I'm ok with threads staying on topic or asking that others keep it on
topic. I'm also ok with threads veering off the original topic. It happens.
People tend to self correct.

Just do so politely please.

No hard and fast rule here from me other than the politeness thing.


"Be excellent to each other"

-- John.

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Brian White]

Do we have a 2nd admin on this list now besides John?

Here's my request as a fellow mere user: "Please don't tell other people
what to do."

You don't like topic drift? I don't like self-appointed police doing a job
that doesn't need doing.

It was just a request? So is mine.

Who am I to say any of this? Who are you to tell people that the topic has
drifted too far for *you* to approve of?

Why the hell can't people just leave each other alone in here? As a default
setting, only violated under duress.

-- 
bkw

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 6:04 PM Jesus R  wrote:

> Please help keep this thread on topic and take spin off discussions to a
> new thread.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jesus R
>

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

Please help keep this thread on topic and take spin off discussions to a
new thread.

Thank You,

Jesus R

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Gregory McGill]

I talked him down to 80 with make an offer.. fyi

Greg

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 6:26 AM Greg Swallow  wrote:

> Has anyone tried, or looked into, something like this device for the CoCo?
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/TRS80-CoCo-Hard-Drive-Emulation-128MB-20x-faster-than-tape/332796444857?hash=item4d7c36c0b9:g:yMEAAOSwrCZbKozt:sc:USPSPriority!85120!US!-1
>
> I just don't have $100 to spare just now.
>
> God Bless,
>
> GregS <><
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Stein" 
> To: m...@bitchin100.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 4:30:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [M100] program library in WAV format
>
> FWIW, way back when we were exploring this whole issue of using the
> cassette port to load/save audio files and connect ModelT's together I just
> added a high-level output to my M100s with a jumper from R54 to an unused
> pin (7) on the cassette connector.
>
> m
>

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[John R. Hogerhuis]

" So it's like a PDD server but running its own protocol, not PDD or
Drivewire. "

He loves standards so much he invented his own ;-)

-- John.

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Willard Goosey]

The guy has another one for sale, so there's more info... It actually hooks up 
with the coco serial port and has a driver for BASIC to talk to it.
So it's like a PDD server but running its own protocol, not PDD or Drivewire. 
Willard
Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Greg Swallow  Date: 
10/3/18  7:26 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: m...@bitchin100.com Subject: Re: [M100] 
program library in WAV format 
Has anyone tried, or looked into, something like this device for the CoCo?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/TRS80-CoCo-Hard-Drive-Emulation-128MB-20x-faster-than-tape/332796444857?hash=item4d7c36c0b9:g:yMEAAOSwrCZbKozt:sc:USPSPriority!85120!US!-1

I just don't have $100 to spare just now.

God Bless,

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Greg Swallow]

Has anyone tried, or looked into, something like this device for the CoCo?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/TRS80-CoCo-Hard-Drive-Emulation-128MB-20x-faster-than-tape/332796444857?hash=item4d7c36c0b9:g:yMEAAOSwrCZbKozt:sc:USPSPriority!85120!US!-1

I just don't have $100 to spare just now.

God Bless,

GregS <><

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Stein" 
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 4:30:15 AM
Subject: Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

FWIW, way back when we were exploring this whole issue of using the cassette 
port to load/save audio files and connect ModelT's together I just added a 
high-level output to my M100s with a jumper from R54 to an unused pin (7) on 
the cassette connector.

m

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Mike Stein]

- Original Message - 
From: Stephen Adolph 
To: m...@bitchin100.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

Interesting to note - if you cross wire two M100s and try to CSAVE on one, and 
CLOAD on the other... it wont work.  Not enough signal swing.
==

FWIW, way back when we were exploring this whole issue of using the cassette 
port to load/save audio files and connect ModelT's together I just added a 
high-level output to my M100s with a jumper from R54 to an unused pin (7) on 
the cassette connector.

m

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Kevin Becker]

For what it’s worth I just tried one at random (alien.ba) and it
worked perfectly from my iPad to my T102. I didn’t have the volume up
high enough the first try, but I turned it up to max and it worked
fine on round 2.

I have an android phone I acquired just to run mcomm on, but haven’t
gotten around to doing it. I’ll try to charge it up and see how it
works for this sometime soon. Perhaps it is dependent on the player in
some way.

- Kevin


> On Oct 2, 2018, at 10:03 PM, Jesus R  wrote:
>
> Hooking this setup to my AP would be a mess:) It’s odd that you are
> having the exact opposite experience compared to mine. My iPhone, my
> Mac, my PC, and my iPad all work. I just transferred a random program
> with a standard cable and used it on my T100.
>
> If you look at the capture directly from the unit as is it’s way to
> low in amplitude so I'm not surprised a unit to unit connection will
> not work. The tape drive is clearly raising the gain and this is why
> you have to play with the volume on it. I could make you a file at
> +31db to see if your unit can hear it.
>
> Link to WAV archive: www.sonore.us/m100
>
> Jesus R
>
> -
>
> I think you should look at the waveforms you
> captured though.  They look distorted, relative to M100 output signals.
> I think this is tricky enough that in order for it to be truly useful, the
> details need to get ironed out.
> As I said, I have tried your files with 2 android phones, an MP3/WAV
> player, and a PC.  I didn't get a lot of success.  I would love to find a
> magic recipe, ideally with a bog standard cable.
>
> Interesting to note - if you cross wire two M100s and try to CSAVE on one,
> and CLOAD on the other... it wont work.  Not enough signal swing.

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

John, that is very cool!

Jesus R

-

Web-based M100 emulator I wrote. Runs on PCs w/ Chrome, cell phones,
tablets.
https://bitchin100.com/CloudT/

If you right click you can poke around in the code. I don't minify it so
it's easy to browse. All the stuff after the

comment I wrote.

Files are loaded in/out of the emulation using the cassette commands, but
without real audio going on. I have hooks into the virtualized ROM to let
me feed file bytes without going through a/d conversion.

-- John.

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

Hooking this setup to my AP would be a mess:) It’s odd that you are
having the exact opposite experience compared to mine. My iPhone, my
Mac, my PC, and my iPad all work. I just transferred a random program
with a standard cable and used it on my T100.

If you look at the capture directly from the unit as is it’s way to
low in amplitude so I'm not surprised a unit to unit connection will
not work. The tape drive is clearly raising the gain and this is why
you have to play with the volume on it. I could make you a file at
+31db to see if your unit can hear it.

Link to WAV archive: www.sonore.us/m100

Jesus R

-

I think you should look at the waveforms you
captured though.  They look distorted, relative to M100 output signals.
I think this is tricky enough that in order for it to be truly useful, the
details need to get ironed out.
As I said, I have tried your files with 2 android phones, an MP3/WAV
player, and a PC.  I didn't get a lot of success.  I would love to find a
magic recipe, ideally with a bog standard cable.

Interesting to note - if you cross wire two M100s and try to CSAVE on one,
and CLOAD on the other... it wont work.  Not enough signal swing.

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Stephen Adolph]

Jesus, agreed, great idea. I think you should look at the waveforms you
captured though.  They look distorted, relative to M100 output signals.
I think this is tricky enough that in order for it to be truly useful, the
details need to get ironed out.
As I said, I have tried your files with 2 android phones, an MP3/WAV
player, and a PC.  I didn't get a lot of success.  I would love to find a
magic recipe, ideally with a bog standard cable.

Interesting to note - if you cross wire two M100s and try to CSAVE on one,
and CLOAD on the other... it wont work.  Not enough signal swing.



On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 4:34 PM Jesus R  wrote:

> My goals are simple...have access to the fileson the go via my computer or
> phone. The files are archived in lossless WAV and anyone that wants to
> convert them to lossy MP3 is welcome to. I'm not going to apply additional
> filtering and in my use case I'm not worried about the files size.
>
> Link to WAV archive: www.sonore.us/m100
>
> Jesus R
>
>

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 1:38 PM Jesus R  wrote:

> What is CloudT?
>
>
Web-based M100 emulator I wrote. Runs on PCs w/ Chrome, cell phones,
tablets.

https://bitchin100.com/CloudT/

If you right click you can poke around in the code. I don't minify it so
it's easy to browse. All the stuff after the

comment I wrote.

Files are loaded in/out of the emulation using the cassette commands, but
without real audio going on. I have hooks into the virtualized ROM to let
me feed file bytes without going through a/d conversion.

-- John.

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

I'm not using a custom cable and it's working fine here. These files are
already amplified digitally by +25db.

Link to WAV archive: www.sonore.us/m100

Jesus R

-

initiate time travel device.

you got me
Thu 8/3/2017, 4:32 AM
The m100 can receive files via the cassette port from almost any audio
source. The trick is to use a an audio transformer. Something like an
8 ohm to 1.2k ohm. The 8 ohm end connects to the output of the audio
device. The 1.2k ohm end connects to the ear end of the m100 cassette
cable.  I have done many experiments with this over the years.

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

What is CloudT?

Link to WAV archive: www.sonore.us/m100

Jesus R

-

Yeah it's definitely a coding task.

Well if I find some time I could add a audio file export feature to CloudT.

CloudT already supports accessing http files and Google Drive, so I have
code for getting files into CloudT.

Making perfectly tuned, compact audio files is possible.

Actually, since it could generate the audio file or stream it, maybe we
wouldn't even need to store the audio files. Just play it straight from
CloudT into the Model 100, since CloudT runs on iPhones and Android phones.

But I wouldn't hold my breath.

-- John.

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

My goals are simple...have access to the files on the go via my computer or
phone. The files are archived in lossless WAV and anyone that wants to
convert them to lossy MP3 is welcome to. I'm not going to apply additional
filtering and in my use case I'm not worried about the files size.

Link to WAV archive: www.sonore.us/m100

Jesus R

-

I played a bit with Audacity, and I have a couple of comments, wrt settings.

1)  8 bit vs 16 bit.  If like me you are interested in the actual files,
and size matters, then consider saving the file in 8bit format.  this saves
1/2 the data.
2)  filtering.  Applying a low pass filter at ~18 kHz as a post processor
to the captured waveform reduces peaking.  This matters a bit - the
software limits the peak to peak voltage to +/- 1V.  Peaking reduces the
average peak value that can be obtained.

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Stephen Adolph]

thanks - I translate this mostly as - use an audio transformer to boost the
audio level.  said another way - need more swing.

When I look at the M100 Rx code, what it is doing is detecting zero
crossings.  so edge rate matters, and crossing position accuracy.

IIRC T200 had slightly different code, more robust zero crossing detector -
should check that.

Regarding fast sampling - when I compare the actual M100 output waveform to
the computer generated output waveform, I can't tell a difference in "rise
time" (in quotes because the output is digital not analog).  maybe the time
sampling quantization affects the crossing position in time - if that were
true then fast sampling would indeed be valuable.

I really dislike the idea of a custom non-passive cable, but maybe that is
necessary.



On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 2:52 AM you got me  wrote:

> initiate time travel device.
>
> you got me
> Thu 8/3/2017, 4:32 AM
> The m100 can receive files via the cassette port from almost any audio
> source. The trick is to use a an audio transformer. Something like an 8 ohm
> to 1.2k ohm. The 8 ohm end connects to the output of the audio device. The
> 1.2k ohm end connects to the ear end of the m100 cassette cable.  I have
> done many experiments with this over the years. I called the final project
> "the Uber Cable".  The only things I could not get the cable to work with
> was
> 1.
> a mini-disc recorder that used a VERY specific type of ATRAC recording
> algorithm (prior models worked just fine) and
> 2.
> super cheap micro cassette recorders. Some of them didn't have adequate
> signal to noise ratios to begin with.
>
>  The cable worked with cassette recorders, olympus i400 mico cassette,
> digital dictation recorders, Music Cds (with programs on it), tiny mp3
> player/recorders (like the Iriver T30), and audio ports on a computer, etc.
> If you make a recording of the audio of a m100 program file and want it to
> be in mp3 format, I would suggest a rate of 196k. Lower rates will work,
> but 196k is a sweet spot.
> The audio coming from an m100 is line level. Some recorders only take mic
> level. You will need a a line level to mic level passive attenuation
> circuit.
>
> As for the original post in this thread A TON of m100 programs could
> be placed on an iriver T30 or equivalent and played back with the names of
> the files on it's tiny display. It could also record the files, but no
> fancy names unless you edit the device. Something small like that would
> need fresh batteries when recording, but it works.
>
>
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgRHXuUu57CegiAUJRUi6v8mw7bm
>
> --
> *From:* M100  on behalf of Stephen
> Adolph 
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 30, 2018 11:54 PM
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] program library in WAV format
>
> I would prefer to use an MP3 player, so the browser approach is not the
> best. I'll just grab what I want. thanks.
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 3:41 PM Jesus R  wrote:
>
> The idea is to play the file you need directly into the unit. The browser
> plays the file on click to no need to drag and drop anything.
>
> MP3's filter out certain frequencies and I rather not worry if its okay in
> all cases.
>
> --
>
> hi, can we download all the files from a simple directory, rather than a
> spreadsheet?  It would be a lot faster!  drag and drop...
>
> Sorry if you answered this already but how important was using .WAV file vs
> .MP3?
>
>
> thanks
>
>

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[you got me]

initiate time travel device.

you got me
Thu 8/3/2017, 4:32 AM
The m100 can receive files via the cassette port from almost any audio source. 
The trick is to use a an audio transformer. Something like an 8 ohm to 1.2k 
ohm. The 8 ohm end connects to the output of the audio device. The 1.2k ohm end 
connects to the ear end of the m100 cassette cable.  I have done many 
experiments with this over the years. I called the final project "the Uber 
Cable".  The only things I could not get the cable to work with was
1.
a mini-disc recorder that used a VERY specific type of ATRAC recording 
algorithm (prior models worked just fine) and
2.
super cheap micro cassette recorders. Some of them didn't have adequate signal 
to noise ratios to begin with.

 The cable worked with cassette recorders, olympus i400 mico cassette,  digital 
dictation recorders, Music Cds (with programs on it), tiny mp3 player/recorders 
(like the Iriver T30), and audio ports on a computer, etc. If you make a 
recording of the audio of a m100 program file and want it to be in mp3 format, 
I would suggest a rate of 196k. Lower rates will work, but 196k is a sweet spot.
The audio coming from an m100 is line level. Some recorders only take mic 
level. You will need a a line level to mic level passive attenuation circuit.

As for the original post in this thread A TON of m100 programs could be 
placed on an iriver T30 or equivalent and played back with the names of the 
files on it's tiny display. It could also record the files, but no fancy names 
unless you edit the device. Something small like that would need fresh 
batteries when recording, but it works.


https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgRHXuUu57CegiAUJRUi6v8mw7bm


From: M100  on behalf of Stephen Adolph 

Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 11:54 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

I would prefer to use an MP3 player, so the browser approach is not the best. 
I'll just grab what I want. thanks.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 3:41 PM Jesus R 
mailto:sonor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The idea is to play the file you need directly into the unit. The browser plays 
the file on click to no need to drag and drop anything.

MP3's filter out certain frequencies and I rather not worry if its okay in all 
cases.

--


hi, can we download all the files from a simple directory, rather than a
spreadsheet?  It would be a lot faster!  drag and drop...

Sorry if you answered this already but how important was using .WAV file vs
.MP3?


thanks

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Stephen Adolph]

That is for the good Peter!  Will Have to try that out.

On Monday, October 1, 2018, Peter Noeth  wrote:

> I have made .WAV recordings of my programs before, for the purpose of
> "double backup" when traveling with my M100 on commercial airline flights.
> I carried my CTR-81 and the programs I needed on tape as well as being
> loaded in memory. This was in the days when the airline security x-ray
> machines were a lot more powerful, and you could elect to not have a
> computer x-rayed if you showed them that it powered on and started booting.
> The x-ray machines would often corrupt a laptop computer hard disk after a
> couple of times through the machine, and was also not very friendly to
> Static RAM either.
>
> What I discovered in making the .WAV files was that the recording should
> be made at 0dbm because as has already been pointed out, the portable
> players have a limited audio output level. The other key point for reliable
> CLOADS from the player, was to maximize the treble and minimize the bass on
> the player itself. This is because the harmonic content of the "digital"
> signal gets attenuated and appears to alter the pulse edge timing due to
> frequency rolloff of the highs, and added confusion in the computer signal
> conditioning filter from too much bass.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
>
>

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Peter Noeth]

I have made .WAV recordings of my programs before, for the purpose of
"double backup" when traveling with my M100 on commercial airline flights.
I carried my CTR-81 and the programs I needed on tape as well as being
loaded in memory. This was in the days when the airline security x-ray
machines were a lot more powerful, and you could elect to not have a
computer x-rayed if you showed them that it powered on and started booting.
The x-ray machines would often corrupt a laptop computer hard disk after a
couple of times through the machine, and was also not very friendly to
Static RAM either.

What I discovered in making the .WAV files was that the recording should be
made at 0dbm because as has already been pointed out, the portable
players have a limited audio output level. The other key point for reliable
CLOADS from the player, was to maximize the treble and minimize the bass on
the player itself. This is because the harmonic content of the "digital"
signal gets attenuated and appears to alter the pulse edge timing due to
frequency rolloff of the highs, and added confusion in the computer signal
conditioning filter from too much bass.

Regards,

Peter

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 4:21 PM Jesus R  wrote:

> This is actually something I looked into with a friend. I even tested the
> CAS2WAV application on the off chance that it could work, but I could not
> get it to work. I'm not a coder so someone else would have to take up the
> effort to modify it. In the meantime I'll continue with the slo-mo scheme:)
>
>
Yeah it's definitely a coding task.

Well if I find some time I could add a audio file export feature to CloudT.

CloudT already supports accessing http files and Google Drive, so I have
code for getting files into CloudT.

Making perfectly tuned, compact audio files is possible.

Actually, since it could generate the audio file or stream it, maybe we
wouldn't even need to store the audio files. Just play it straight from
CloudT into the Model 100, since CloudT runs on iPhones and Android phones.

But I wouldn't hold my breath.

-- John.

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Stephen Adolph]

I played a bit with Audacity, and I have a couple of comments, wrt settings.

1)  8 bit vs 16 bit.  If like me you are interested in the actual files,
and size matters, then consider saving the file in 8bit format.  this saves
1/2 the data.
2)  filtering.  Applying a low pass filter at ~18 kHz as a post processor
to the captured waveform reduces peaking.  This matters a bit - the
software limits the peak to peak voltage to +/- 1V.  Peaking reduces the
average peak value that can be obtained.




On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 8:43 PM Stephen Adolph  wrote:

> Just did a bit of playing around with Audacity. I think you nailed it.
> Awesome.  I think the 2 big differences from what I was doing  (1)
> amplifying the output to maximum of almost 2Vpp and (2) using .WAV.
>
> my little 128MB MP3 player has a new life as a bootstrap / portable read
> only storage.
>
> A-DUEL is ~5kB of data but the .WAV is ~3MB.I guess convenience has a
> cost ;)
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 1:01 PM Jesus R  wrote:
>
>> Your welcome and I'm glad it's working out. The system is dialed in now
>> and I'm happy to share the setup.
>>
>> There are several tasks and I'll explain each below:
>> 1. Download the files and rename them on my computer - I'm not really
>> sure this step is needed, but it doesn't take up much time since I'm using
>> a naming changer application to bulk change .ba to .do in the file name.
>>
>> 2. Load the files a few at a time into my T100 and play them back into my
>> capture device - In order to transmit data back to the unit I'm using a USB
>> to serial cable and null modem cable. Because of limited space you can only
>> load so many programs at a time. Teeny has been helpful here because it's a
>> small and effective application and works with the drive emulator Laddiecon
>> running on my PC from DOS. After loading a batch use these command in
>> series on the unit: load"filename, csave"filename.ba, kill"filename.do,
>> new.
>>
>> 3. Post capture processing - For capturing I'm using my sons gaming
>> headphone USB to Logitech microphone/headphone adapter which support 44.1
>> captures and playback. I'm using Audacity set to record and play from the
>> Logitech device, Windows Direct Sound, sample rate of 44.1, playback volume
>> 100%, record volume 100%, and record in mono. These are all selected from
>> the main screen of Audacity. First you press Record and then you
>> enter csave"filename.ba on the unit and when its done I stop the
>> recoding right away. This produced a recoding that is way to low for direct
>> usage at around -31db. I now move the cursor over the recording and press
>> Control and Alt together to select the entire recording. Then I go to
>> Effect and select Amplitude and add 25db to the recording and press Enter.
>> This volume gain allows you to play back the track at 100% volume on your
>> source and have the level be just right for the unit to accept it.
>>
>> 4. Prepare the Google Excel sheet and upload the files to my website and
>> they are ready for use.
>>
>> Let me know any questions you might still have.
>>
>> Jesus R
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Thanks for setting this up!  I’ve downloaded several games and a couple of
>> utilities through my iPhone, with no problem.  A simple joy from the user’s
>> perspective, but I realize it represents a lot of work behind the scenes.
>>
>> Perhaps I missed it in a prior part of the thread, but it would be great to
>> document your lessons learned in terms of how to save files in a reliably
>> shareable digital audio format - what sort of processing you had to do in
>> Audacity, etc.  I’ve tried using a good quality digital recorder before in
>> place of a cassette tape recorder, and at least for me, it didn’t “just
>> work...”  :)  Clearly, I didn’t stumble on quite the right combination of
>> parameters.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Anthony
>>
>>

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Stephen Adolph]

Just did a bit of playing around with Audacity. I think you nailed it.
Awesome.  I think the 2 big differences from what I was doing  (1)
amplifying the output to maximum of almost 2Vpp and (2) using .WAV.

my little 128MB MP3 player has a new life as a bootstrap / portable read
only storage.

A-DUEL is ~5kB of data but the .WAV is ~3MB.I guess convenience has a
cost ;)

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 1:01 PM Jesus R  wrote:

> Your welcome and I'm glad it's working out. The system is dialed in now
> and I'm happy to share the setup.
>
> There are several tasks and I'll explain each below:
> 1. Download the files and rename them on my computer - I'm not really sure
> this step is needed, but it doesn't take up much time since I'm using a
> naming changer application to bulk change .ba to .do in the file name.
>
> 2. Load the files a few at a time into my T100 and play them back into my
> capture device - In order to transmit data back to the unit I'm using a USB
> to serial cable and null modem cable. Because of limited space you can only
> load so many programs at a time. Teeny has been helpful here because it's a
> small and effective application and works with the drive emulator Laddiecon
> running on my PC from DOS. After loading a batch use these command in
> series on the unit: load"filename, csave"filename.ba, kill"filename.do,
> new.
>
> 3. Post capture processing - For capturing I'm using my sons gaming
> headphone USB to Logitech microphone/headphone adapter which support 44.1
> captures and playback. I'm using Audacity set to record and play from the
> Logitech device, Windows Direct Sound, sample rate of 44.1, playback volume
> 100%, record volume 100%, and record in mono. These are all selected from
> the main screen of Audacity. First you press Record and then you
> enter csave"filename.ba on the unit and when its done I stop the recoding
> right away. This produced a recoding that is way to low for direct usage at
> around -31db. I now move the cursor over the recording and press Control
> and Alt together to select the entire recording. Then I go to Effect and
> select Amplitude and add 25db to the recording and press Enter. This volume
> gain allows you to play back the track at 100% volume on your source and
> have the level be just right for the unit to accept it.
>
> 4. Prepare the Google Excel sheet and upload the files to my website and
> they are ready for use.
>
> Let me know any questions you might still have.
>
> Jesus R
>
> ---
>
> Thanks for setting this up!  I’ve downloaded several games and a couple of
> utilities through my iPhone, with no problem.  A simple joy from the user’s
> perspective, but I realize it represents a lot of work behind the scenes.
>
> Perhaps I missed it in a prior part of the thread, but it would be great to
> document your lessons learned in terms of how to save files in a reliably
> shareable digital audio format - what sort of processing you had to do in
> Audacity, etc.  I’ve tried using a good quality digital recorder before in
> place of a cassette tape recorder, and at least for me, it didn’t “just
> work...”  :)  Clearly, I didn’t stumble on quite the right combination of
> parameters.
>
> Best wishes,
> Anthony
>
>

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Stephen Adolph]

I would prefer to use an MP3 player, so the browser approach is not the
best. I'll just grab what I want. thanks.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 3:41 PM Jesus R  wrote:

> The idea is to play the file you need directly into the unit. The browser
> plays the file on click to no need to drag and drop anything.
>
> MP3's filter out certain frequencies and I rather not worry if its okay in
> all cases.
>
> --
>
> hi, can we download all the files from a simple directory, rather than a
> spreadsheet?  It would be a lot faster!  drag and drop...
>
> Sorry if you answered this already but how important was using .WAV file vs
> .MP3?
>
>
> thanks
>

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Ron Lauzon]

This is interesting.  Someone already did this for the TRS-80 PC-2.
http://pocket.free.fr/html/soft/soft_e.html
Software that will convert a WAV to the BASIC source and back again.
On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 5:44 PM John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:
>
> For those interested in further discussion of getting Audacity to work, we 
> spent some time in October 5-6 of 2013 coming up with ways to make reliable 
> recordings.
>
> http://lists.bitchin100.com/private.cgi/m100-bitchin100.com/2013-October/date.html#36917
>
> "test MP3 encoded teeny.ba for M100  "
>
> One other idea that hasn't been explored is modifying CAS2WAV code to work 
> for the M100. Then we could generate perfect files rapidly.
>
>
> -- John.



-- 
Ron Lauzon - rlauzon at acm dot org
   Homepage: http://webpages.charter.net/rlauzon/
   Weblog: http://ronsapartment.blogspot.com/

TRS-80 Pocket Computer 2 - TRS-80 Pocket Computer 4 - TRS-80 Model 100/102
Some people like to work on old cars.  But old computers are cheaper
and don't require a big garage.

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

This is actually something I looked into with a friend. I even tested the
CAS2WAV application on the off chance that it could work, but I could not
get it to work. I'm not a coder so someone else would have to take up the
effort to modify it. In the meantime I'll continue with the slo-mo scheme:)

_

One other idea that hasn't been explored is modifying CAS2WAV code to
work for the M100. Then we could generate perfect files rapidly.

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[John R. Hogerhuis]

What I'm thinking is, the Model 100 cassette file format is documented, I
think in the service manual.

So you could go straight from a .DO, .CO or tokenized .BA to a WAV file
(or FLACC or even MP3) with the right code.

Seems like a weekend project. Just not mine, my weekends seem to keep
getting booked with work.

-- John.

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Brian White]

That would be the ideal archival & reference format, cas files paired with
open source (ie future-proof, lost-proof, taken-away-proof,
platform-support-proof) reference code encode and decode.

Then, for users to conveniently play a sound file right from a browser into
a m100, a web site that would have served up wav files could just about as
easily have a small cgi that plays the cas file out as wav or fkac or mp3
or ogg etc whatever.

Using cas files as the source also lets you hack on the contents on the
fly. Is there a game with known bug or kniwn hack? The player cgi could
offer to apply this or that hack on the fly as it's played.

Recording from real tapes to cas lets you do meaningful diffs between
versions of the same program too. So you might be able to end up with
sonething like a set of patches for a given program, like different printer
support, different machine types (nec vs 200 vs 100)

I have some apps where they have a tape with the nain prog up front, then
several overlays later in the tape. You load the main app, then you load
one of the overlays on top to give the main app support for a printer or
plotter. We should think about ways to handle that too. They could be yet
more cas diffs, or just more individual cas or wav files like they are on
the original tapes.

-- 
bkw


On Sun, Sep 30, 2018, 5:44 PM John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

> For those interested in further discussion of getting Audacity to work, we
> spent some time in October 5-6 of 2013 coming up with ways to make reliable
> recordings.
>
>
> http://lists.bitchin100.com/private.cgi/m100-bitchin100.com/2013-October/date.html#36917
>
> "test MP3 encoded teeny.ba for M100
> 
>  "
>
> One other idea that hasn't been explored is modifying CAS2WAV code to work
> for the M100. Then we could generate perfect files rapidly.
>
>>
> -- John.
>

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[John R. Hogerhuis]

For those interested in further discussion of getting Audacity to work, we
spent some time in October 5-6 of 2013 coming up with ways to make reliable
recordings.

http://lists.bitchin100.com/private.cgi/m100-bitchin100.com/2013-October/date.html#36917

"test MP3 encoded teeny.ba for M100

 "

One other idea that hasn't been explored is modifying CAS2WAV code to work
for the M100. Then we could generate perfect files rapidly.

>
-- John.

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

It's working fine here:) If you use the recoding as is it will be to low to
be useful. This is why I increase the amplitude in software by +25db. This
produces playback of about -6db and free of clipping and the unit finds and
loads data effortlessly without the use of an inline amplifier. Phones,
computers, and iPods all work here with volume set to 100%.

_

I must say I am surprised that i have not heard people getting unrepeatable
results using .WAV audacity files.

Where I left this off myself, in my own efforts, is that the typical 1Vpp
signal swing generated by most modern earbud type audio devices (phones,
mp3 players etc) is not sufficient to drive the M100 input reliably.

It works sometimes and not others.

M100 is meant to have 4Vpp drive  IIRC.

I basically gave up on this, since I didnt want to have a post-amplifier...

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

The idea is to play the file you need directly into the unit. The browser
plays the file on click to no need to drag and drop anything.

MP3's filter out certain frequencies and I rather not worry if its okay in
all cases.

--

hi, can we download all the files from a simple directory, rather than a
spreadsheet?  It would be a lot faster!  drag and drop...

Sorry if you answered this already but how important was using .WAV file vs
.MP3?


thanks

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[John R. Hogerhuis]

I remember it working with audacity once I fiddled with the settings. I
didn't have to do any post processing though. Should be some posts to the
list about it.

And we were using mp3, I think.

-- John.

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Stephen Adolph]

hi, can we download all the files from a simple directory, rather than a
spreadsheet?  It would be a lot faster!  drag and drop...

Sorry if you answered this already but how important was using .WAV file vs
.MP3?

thanks

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 3:20 PM Jesus R  wrote:

> Team, the programs in the Text tab are up.
>
> new shorter link to archive:www.sonore.us/m100
>
> Jesus R
>
>

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

I forgot to mention in step 3 that once I have the file adjusted for
amplitude I just export the file to WAV saving the album and genre tags as
prompted. I then got o File and select Close and do not save the session
when prompted.

Jesus R

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Stephen Adolph]

I must say I am surprised that i have not heard people getting unrepeatable
results using .WAV audacity files.

Where I left this off myself, in my own efforts, is that the typical 1Vpp
signal swing generated by most modern earbud type audio devices (phones,
mp3 players etc) is not sufficient to drive the M100 input reliably.

It works sometimes and not others.

M100 is meant to have 4Vpp drive  IIRC.

I basically gave up on this, since I didnt want to have a post-amplifier...

Steve

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

Your welcome and I'm glad it's working out. The system is dialed in now and
I'm happy to share the setup.

There are several tasks and I'll explain each below:
1. Download the files and rename them on my computer - I'm not really sure
this step is needed, but it doesn't take up much time since I'm using a
naming changer application to bulk change .ba to .do in the file name.

2. Load the files a few at a time into my T100 and play them back into my
capture device - In order to transmit data back to the unit I'm using a USB
to serial cable and null modem cable. Because of limited space you can only
load so many programs at a time. Teeny has been helpful here because it's a
small and effective application and works with the drive emulator Laddiecon
running on my PC from DOS. After loading a batch use these command in
series on the unit: load"filename, csave"filename.ba, kill"filename.do,
new.

3. Post capture processing - For capturing I'm using my sons gaming
headphone USB to Logitech microphone/headphone adapter which support 44.1
captures and playback. I'm using Audacity set to record and play from the
Logitech device, Windows Direct Sound, sample rate of 44.1, playback volume
100%, record volume 100%, and record in mono. These are all selected from
the main screen of Audacity. First you press Record and then you
enter csave"filename.ba on the unit and when its done I stop the recoding
right away. This produced a recoding that is way to low for direct usage at
around -31db. I now move the cursor over the recording and press Control
and Alt together to select the entire recording. Then I go to Effect and
select Amplitude and add 25db to the recording and press Enter. This volume
gain allows you to play back the track at 100% volume on your source and
have the level be just right for the unit to accept it.

4. Prepare the Google Excel sheet and upload the files to my website and
they are ready for use.

Let me know any questions you might still have.

Jesus R

---

Thanks for setting this up!  I’ve downloaded several games and a couple of
utilities through my iPhone, with no problem.  A simple joy from the user’s
perspective, but I realize it represents a lot of work behind the scenes.

Perhaps I missed it in a prior part of the thread, but it would be great to
document your lessons learned in terms of how to save files in a reliably
shareable digital audio format - what sort of processing you had to do in
Audacity, etc.  I’ve tried using a good quality digital recorder before in
place of a cassette tape recorder, and at least for me, it didn’t “just
work...”  :)  Clearly, I didn’t stumble on quite the right combination of
parameters.

Best wishes,
Anthony

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Anthony Coghlan]

Thanks for setting this up!  I’ve downloaded several games and a couple of
utilities through my iPhone, with no problem.  A simple joy from the user’s
perspective, but I realize it represents a lot of work behind the scenes.

Perhaps I missed it in a prior part of the thread, but it would be great to
document your lessons learned in terms of how to save files in a reliably
shareable digital audio format - what sort of processing you had to do in
Audacity, etc.  I’ve tried using a good quality digital recorder before in
place of a cassette tape recorder, and at least for me, it didn’t “just
work...”  :)  Clearly, I didn’t stumble on quite the right combination of
parameters.

Best wishes,
Anthony



On Saturday, September 29, 2018, Jesus R  wrote:

> Team, the programs in the Text tab are up.
>
> new shorter link to archive:www.sonore.us/m100
>
> Jesus R
>
>

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

Team, the programs in the Text tab are up.

new shorter link to archive:www.sonore.us/m100

Jesus R

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

Hello, today I upload new versions of the WAV files which have been altered
with Audacity to increase their amplitude. This allows the units to cload
the files better from a computer and cell phone.

new shorter link to archive:
www.sonore.us/m100

original link to archive:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit?usp=sharing

Jesus R

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

Team, the programs in the Games, Drives, and Utilities tab are up.

Jesus R

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

Team, the files in the Drives tab are up.

Jesus R

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Wayne Talbot]

Has anyone put together all of the WAV programs into a single zip file for
downloading?

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 4:17 AM NURF NURD  wrote:

> thanks the tips will deff put these to use when the unit arrives
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 6:52 PM, John R. Hogerhuis 
> wrote:
>
>> Well we definitely need to update the docs to include mcomm
>>
>>>
>> -- John.
>>
>
>

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[NURF NURD]

thanks the tips will deff put these to use when the unit arrives

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 6:52 PM, John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

> Well we definitely need to update the docs to include mcomm
>
>>
> -- John.
>

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[John R. Hogerhuis]

Well we definitely need to update the docs to include mcomm

>
-- John.

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[John R. Hogerhuis]

You can transfer files to your m100 using a serial terminal program, a usb
to serial adapter, and a null modem cable.

Once the file is on your m100 you can save it to floppy if you like.

If you have a floppy driver or rom loaded already you can use that to load
files over the serial cable via laddiealpha or mcomm or dlplus.

-- John.

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[NURF NURD]

ill look into it but im just wanting to know how do i write files from my
win 7 pc to a floppy disk to be used on my m100

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Peter Vollan  wrote:

> Stay away from tape, play straight to your m100 or use an mp3 player for a
> "drive".
>
>
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 at 12:37, Steven Ranft  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Jesus,
>>
>> Thanks for all the effort! Good job.
>>
>> I found the link for Cribbage  CRIBGE.BA 12362 (07-02-88)  gave
>>
>> The requested URL /golfgon/cribge.wav was not found on this server.
>>
>> But otherwise the ones I checked were all downloadable.
>>
>> I have not tried to save them to tape or play them yet
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve
>>
>> --
>> *From:* M100  on behalf of Jesus R <
>> sonor...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 16, 2018 1:50 PM
>> *To:* m100@lists.bitchin100.com
>> *Subject:* [M100] program library in WAV format
>>
>> As an update I have pretty much completed the archival process for the
>> games in the club100 website. Next I plan to hit drives and utility
>> programs.
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_
>> RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit#gid=1942875794
>>
>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit#gid=1942875794>
>> TRS 80 Model 100 - audio software archive
>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit#gid=1942875794>
>> docs.google.com
>> USAGE ** THESE ARE TOKENIZED BASIC FILES IN CASSETTE COMPATIBLE FORMAT
>> USAGE: 1. Connect the cassette transfer cable between the unit and your
>> source. 2. From BASIC on your unit type: cload" cas: filename. ba" and
>> press Enter. 3. On your source select the corresponding file and play it at
>> 1...
>>
>>
>>
>> It would be nice to have some people try it out and provide any feedback.
>>
>> Jesus R
>>
>

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Peter Vollan]

Stay away from tape, play straight to your m100 or use an mp3 player for a
"drive".


On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 at 12:37, Steven Ranft  wrote:

>
> Hi Jesus,
>
> Thanks for all the effort! Good job.
>
> I found the link for Cribbage  CRIBGE.BA 12362 (07-02-88)  gave
>
> The requested URL /golfgon/cribge.wav was not found on this server.
>
> But otherwise the ones I checked were all downloadable.
>
> I have not tried to save them to tape or play them yet
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
> --
> *From:* M100  on behalf of Jesus R <
> sonor...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 16, 2018 1:50 PM
> *To:* m100@lists.bitchin100.com
> *Subject:* [M100] program library in WAV format
>
> As an update I have pretty much completed the archival process for the
> games in the club100 website. Next I plan to hit drives and utility
> programs.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit#gid=1942875794
>
> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit#gid=1942875794>
> TRS 80 Model 100 - audio software archive
> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit#gid=1942875794>
> docs.google.com
> USAGE ** THESE ARE TOKENIZED BASIC FILES IN CASSETTE COMPATIBLE FORMAT
> USAGE: 1. Connect the cassette transfer cable between the unit and your
> source. 2. From BASIC on your unit type: cload" cas: filename. ba" and
> press Enter. 3. On your source select the corresponding file and play it at
> 1...
>
>
>
> It would be nice to have some people try it out and provide any feedback.
>
> Jesus R
>

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

Agree and done.

Thanks

JR

---

Jesus,

  Correction to your Usage Instructions:

Change:  2. From BASIC on your unit type: cload"cas:filename.ba"
and press Enter.

To:  2. From BASIC on your unit type: cload"filename" and press
Enter.

  The CLOAD command only works with the CAS: (cassette) device, so
specifying it will cause a SN (syntax) error. Also the .BA extension
is not necessary, and is not normally specified. The CSAVE and CLOAD
commands only work with the "tokenized" BASIC programs (as saved in
the machine's internal file space), so the .BA extension is assumed,
and will not appear in the file name header in the .WAV file (or on
cassette).

  I have used this method myself, but prefer using the original
cassette tapes, and exercising the CCR-81a. :-)

Regards,

Peter

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format (Jesus R)

[Peter Noeth]

Jesus,

  Correction to your Usage Instructions:

Change:  2. From BASIC on your unit type: cload"cas:filename.ba" and
press Enter.

To:  2. From BASIC on your unit type: cload"filename" and press
Enter.

  The CLOAD command only works with the CAS: (cassette) device, so
specifying it will cause a SN (syntax) error. Also the .BA extension is not
necessary, and is not normally specified. The CSAVE and CLOAD commands only
work with the "tokenized" BASIC programs (as saved in the machine's
internal file space), so the .BA extension is assumed, and will not appear
in the file name header in the .WAV file (or on cassette).

  I have used this method myself, but prefer using the original cassette
tapes, and exercising the CCR-81a. :-)

Regards,


Peter



--

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As an update I have pretty much completed the archival process for the
games in the club100 website. Next I plan to hit drives and utility
programs.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_
RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit#gid=1942875794

It would be nice to have some people try it out and provide any feedback.

Jesus R
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[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

I'm far from done and its a bit of work. If you have them done
already...can you provide them so can post them?

Jesus R



Too bad I didn't see this earlier. I converted a huge chunk of these (if
not all of them) a couple of years ago.

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Ben Strewens]

Too bad I didn't see this earlier. I converted a huge chunk of these (if 
not all of them) a couple of years ago.


On 2018-09-16 03:10 PM, Jesus R wrote:

It was a bad link...I'm sure there is more room for error:)

*Steven Ranft*s_ranft at hotmail.com 
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Hi Jesus,

Thanks for all the effort! Good job.

I found the link for CribbageCRIBGE.BA <http://CRIBGE.BA>  12362 (07-02-88)  
gave

The requested URL /golfgon/cribge.wav was not found on this server.

But otherwise the ones I checked were all downloadable.

I have not tried to save them to tape or play them yet

Thanks,
Steve

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

You are correctthis passes files direct from computer or phone to your
Tandy unit via their audio output.

You shouldn't have to transfer to tape.

Should be able to play from your computer or phone through headphone jack.

-- John.

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

It was a bad link...I'm sure there is more room for error:)

*Steven Ranft* s_ranft at hotmail.com

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Hi Jesus,

Thanks for all the effort! Good job.

I found the link for Cribbage  CRIBGE.BA 12362 (07-02-88)  gave

The requested URL /golfgon/cribge.wav was not found on this server.

But otherwise the ones I checked were all downloadable.

I have not tried to save them to tape or play them yet

Thanks,

Steve

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[John R. Hogerhuis]

You shouldnt have to transfer to tape.

Should be able to play from your computer or phone through headphone jack.

-- John.

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Steven Ranft]

Opps, my bad I tried to change the address and my guess wasn't found either.


The link from the spread sheet gives:


The requested URL /golfgon/.wav was not found on this server.


 /golfgon/.wav was not found on this server.


When I used CAPS ie: http://www.sonore.us/golfgon/CRIBGE.wav  it downloaded 
fine.


Steve



From: M100  on behalf of Steven Ranft 

Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 2:37 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] program library in WAV format



Hi Jesus,

Thanks for all the effort! Good job.

I found the link for Cribbage  CRIBGE.BA 12362 (07-02-88)  gave

The requested URL /golfgon/cribge.wav was not found on this server.

But otherwise the ones I checked were all downloadable.

I have not tried to save them to tape or play them yet

Thanks,
Steve


From: M100  on behalf of Jesus R 

Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 1:50 PM
To: m100@lists.bitchin100.com
Subject: [M100] program library in WAV format

As an update I have pretty much completed the archival process for the games in 
the club100 website. Next I plan to hit drives and utility programs.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit#gid=1942875794
[https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/qrd_Y6uSPRNmMVj2lwM0MJRN6akrY55v77iQwWAq0n-ieKdPeA4d1kEYl8um5skXb9BeVA=w1200-h630-p]<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit#gid=1942875794>

TRS 80 Model 100 - audio software 
archive<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit#gid=1942875794>
docs.google.com
USAGE ** THESE ARE TOKENIZED BASIC FILES IN CASSETTE COMPATIBLE FORMAT USAGE: 
1. Connect the cassette transfer cable between the unit and your source. 2. 
From BASIC on your unit type: cload" cas: filename. ba" and press Enter. 3. On 
your source select the corresponding file and play it at 1...




It would be nice to have some people try it out and provide any feedback.

Jesus R

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Steven Ranft]

Hi Jesus,

Thanks for all the effort! Good job.

I found the link for Cribbage  CRIBGE.BA 12362 (07-02-88)  gave

The requested URL /golfgon/cribge.wav was not found on this server.

But otherwise the ones I checked were all downloadable.

I have not tried to save them to tape or play them yet

Thanks,
Steve


From: M100  on behalf of Jesus R 

Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 1:50 PM
To: m100@lists.bitchin100.com
Subject: [M100] program library in WAV format

As an update I have pretty much completed the archival process for the games in 
the club100 website. Next I plan to hit drives and utility programs.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit#gid=1942875794
[https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/qrd_Y6uSPRNmMVj2lwM0MJRN6akrY55v77iQwWAq0n-ieKdPeA4d1kEYl8um5skXb9BeVA=w1200-h630-p]<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit#gid=1942875794>

TRS 80 Model 100 - audio software 
archive<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit#gid=1942875794>
docs.google.com
USAGE ** THESE ARE TOKENIZED BASIC FILES IN CASSETTE COMPATIBLE FORMAT USAGE: 
1. Connect the cassette transfer cable between the unit and your source. 2. 
From BASIC on your unit type: cload" cas: filename. ba" and press Enter. 3. On 
your source select the corresponding file and play it at 1...




It would be nice to have some people try it out and provide any feedback.

Jesus R

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

As an update I have pretty much completed the archival process for the
games in the club100 website. Next I plan to hit drives and utility
programs.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit#gid=1942875794

It would be nice to have some people try it out and provide any feedback.

Jesus R

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[John R. Hogerhuis]

Fwiw ISTR having pretty good luck recording to mp3 and have it be readable.

My process was to use Audacity with certain settings.

That said I've always been pretty happy with serial transfer since audio
transfer is fiddly.

-- John.

>

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[you got me]

it's a good idea to have m100 programs in several formats: non tokenized (.DO)  
 tokenized (.BA) and the files in an audio format. Although audio can be 
painful for some people, it is still the easiest way to transfer a program 
without spending too much.


From: M100  on behalf of Jesus R 

Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 4:51:01 PM
To: m100@lists.bitchin100.com
Subject: [M100] program library in WAV format

Some updates:

I have been testing the save and load function via a Logitech USB to earphone 
and microphone interface. This interface came with a gaming headset. I'm using 
Audacity to capture and play the file for loading and saving them on my T100.

As a proof of concept I have some files you can try posted on a temp Google 
spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit#gid=0

Setup:
1. Connect the T100's cassette cable to the headphone and microphone jack of 
the USB interface. Some computers have these built in.
2. Make sure the volume for the headphone output is 100% and bit perfect.
3. From Basic enter this command which helps with saving the files - sound off.
4. From Basic enter this command which will clear any pre-existing programs - 
new.
5. From the TRS-80 Model 100 manual follow the instruction on page 191 for 
Loading a Basic Program from Tape. Here is a link to the manual:
http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/kyocera/manual.pdf
Example of filename (caps matter and it must match) - TPL.BA<http://TPL.BA>, 
ZOIDS.BA<http://ZOIDS.BA>
6. From Basic enter this command which will confirm you received the code - LIST
7. Finally, don't forget to save the file to your T100.

Let me know any questions or comments.

JR

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

Some updates:

I have been testing the save and load function via a Logitech USB to
earphone and microphone interface. This interface came with a gaming
headset. I'm using Audacity to capture and play the file for loading and
saving them on my T100.

As a proof of concept I have some files you can try posted on a temp Google
spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m7QRN1I5KpJJO_
RKYnwFhmrluDjbYm6bEe_rIgz80ug/edit#gid=0

Setup:
1. Connect the T100's cassette cable to the headphone and microphone jack
of the USB interface. Some computers have these built in.
2. Make sure the volume for the headphone output is 100% and bit perfect.
3. From Basic enter this command which helps with saving the files - sound
off.
4. From Basic enter this command which will clear any pre-existing programs
- new.
5. From the TRS-80 Model 100 manual follow the instruction on page 191 for
Loading a Basic Program from Tape. Here is a link to the manual:
http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/kyocera/manual.pdf
Example of filename (caps matter and it must match) - TPL.BA, ZOIDS.BA
6. From Basic enter this command which will confirm you received the code -
LIST
7. Finally, don't forget to save the file to your T100.

Let me know any questions or comments.

JR

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

Team, what was I thinkingFLAC is better using less space and has Tags.

Josh, thanks for the Virtual-T suggestion.
bogus maximus that is funny!

JR

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[bogus maximus]

We can call it the M100 Greatest Hits - So Far...

:)

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 6:16 AM Ron Lauzon  wrote:

> Nice idea.
> This is how many people have done software libraries for the TRS-80
> Pocket Computers.  In nearly all cases, the cassette interface was the
> ONLY way for a Pocket Computer to save/load stuff to an external
> device.
>
> But that's the first time I've ever heard the term "quickly load" in
> conjunction with the cassette interface of any computer.  8)
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 8:04 AM Jesus R  wrote:
> >
> > Team, I'm thinking of starting a program library in WAV format and list
> the programs in Google Docs. This allows us to use any digital wav playback
> scheme to quickly load the programs into our machine. One source for
> programs are the magazines in the club's archives. Any comments or
> suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > JR
>
>
>
> --
> Ron Lauzon - rlauzon at acm dot org
>Homepage: http://webpages.charter.net/rlauzon/
>Weblog: http://ronsapartment.blogspot.com/
>
> TRS-80 Pocket Computer 2 - TRS-80 Pocket Computer 4 - TRS-80 Model 100/102
> Some people like to work on old cars.  But old computers are cheaper
> and don't require a big garage.
>

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Ron Lauzon]

Nice idea.
This is how many people have done software libraries for the TRS-80
Pocket Computers.  In nearly all cases, the cassette interface was the
ONLY way for a Pocket Computer to save/load stuff to an external
device.

But that's the first time I've ever heard the term "quickly load" in
conjunction with the cassette interface of any computer.  8)

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 8:04 AM Jesus R  wrote:
>
> Team, I'm thinking of starting a program library in WAV format and list the 
> programs in Google Docs. This allows us to use any digital wav playback 
> scheme to quickly load the programs into our machine. One source for programs 
> are the magazines in the club's archives. Any comments or suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> JR



-- 
Ron Lauzon - rlauzon at acm dot org
   Homepage: http://webpages.charter.net/rlauzon/
   Weblog: http://ronsapartment.blogspot.com/

TRS-80 Pocket Computer 2 - TRS-80 Pocket Computer 4 - TRS-80 Model 100/102
Some people like to work on old cars.  But old computers are cheaper
and don't require a big garage.

Re: [M100] program library in WAV format

[Josh Malone]

Sounds like a cool idea!

It might be possible to bulk-convert them using Virtual-T. You can enable
the remote control option and then write a script to use that command line
to load and save a bunch of programs. I'd suggest looking into that.

-Josh

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018, 8:04 AM Jesus R  wrote:

> Team, I'm thinking of starting a program library in WAV format and list
> the programs in Google Docs. This allows us to use any digital wav playback
> scheme to quickly load the programs into our machine. One source for
> programs are the magazines in the club's archives. Any comments or
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> JR
>

[M100] program library in WAV format

[Jesus R]

Team, I'm thinking of starting a program library in WAV format and list the
programs in Google Docs. This allows us to use any digital wav playback
scheme to quickly load the programs into our machine. One source for
programs are the magazines in the club's archives. Any comments or
suggestions?

Thanks,

JR