Re: [M100] time
> I could build something into mComm to accept a time request from the > model-t. A simple Basic program could open up the port, request the time and > set the time & date of the model-T with the information that is sent back. > But realistically, how useful is that? It is very useful because it gives us a way to accurately set the time on a Model T other than the "old fashioned way": eyeballing a clock and typing it in. This brings us up to speed with every other modern electronic device, which automatically fetches the correct time. The program that I wrote, NIST.BA, is (at the risk of sounding immodest) very handy, but not everyone is equipped to do it via dialup. Also, the time sent is UTC, so you may wish to use my TZONE program to adjust the time for your time zone. BTW, I know the contest page is there in memory of the contest, but don't use that version of the program. I worked on it after the contest was over, and the finished version of both programs is on my member upload page.
Re: [M100] time
Here's a program to set the time from NADSBox. http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Synchronize_Time_with_your_NADS -- John.
Re: [M100] time
Here's the description from the modem: DESCRIPTION OF THE AUTOMATED COMPUTER TIME SERVICE (ACTS) The service uses multi-speed modems which should automatically adapt to the speed of the originating modem. All messages are sent using standard ASCII characters with 8 bits, no parity and 1 stop bit. Format of the time message: D L D MJD YR MO DA H M S ST S UT1 msADV 47999 90-04-18 21:39:17 50 0 +.1 045.0 UTC(NIST) * 47999 90-04-18 21:39:18 50 0 +.1 045.0 UTC(NIST) * etc... The message transmits Universal Coordinated Time (UTC), the official world time referred to the zero meridian of longitude. The MJD is the modified Julian Day number, which advances by 1 at UTC every day. The DST parameter provides information about Daylight Saving Time, using the model valid for the continental US: 00 = US is on standard time (ST).50 = US is on DST. 99 to 51 = Now on ST, go to DST when your local time is 2:00 am and the count is 51. The count is decremented daily at 00 (UTC). 49 to 01 = Now on DST, go to ST when your local time is 2:00 am and the count is 01. The count is decremented daily at 00 (UTC). LS = Leap second flag is set to "1" to indicate that a leap second is to be added as 23:59:60 UTC on the last day of the current month (usually June or December). The flag will be set to "2" if the last second of the current month is to be dropped. The second following 23:59:58 UTC on the last day of the month will be 00:00:00 of the next day in that case. The flag will remain on for the entire month before a leap-second event; it will be 0 otherwise. DUT1 = Approximate difference between earth rotation time (UT1) and UTC, in steps of 0.1 second. DUT1 = UT1 - UTC The specified time is valid when the "*" on-time marker is received. This character will be transmitted 45 ms early to compensate for the nominal delay in the modems and the telephone connection. The maximum connection time will be 40 seconds unless you transmit a "%" character before then. If this character is received, the transmitter will break the connection at the next on-time marker. For more information write: NIST-ACTS Time and Frequency Division Mail Stop 847 325 Broadway Boulder, CO 80303 e-mail: t...@time.nist.gov The software and additional information on ACTS and other services are also available on the web at www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq. On 10/23/2015 07:39 PM, Kurt McCullum wrote: Well maybe ? works with a modem connection but with Telnet it disconnects after giving the time. But the link I sent has all the information of the fields. I could build something into mComm to accept a time request from the model-t. A simple Basic program could open up the port, request the time and set the time & date of the model-T with the information that is sent back. But realistically, how useful is that? Kurt On 10/23/2015 7:30 PM, Donald Kyllo wrote: While the time is being displayed, press the ? to get a description of all the numbers in the string. Don On 10/23/2015 07:09 PM, Kurt McCullum wrote: I just tested this on my T200 with mComm. Works fine. From the file viewer Press ! and then the Telnet URL prompt comes up. Entering time.nist.gov:13 and pressing ENTER gives the time. I'm not sure what the numbers before the date or after the seconds are but it gives a single time entry. Kurt On 10/23/2015 6:14 PM, Donald Kyllo wrote: time.nist.gov 13
Re: [M100] time
Well maybe ? works with a modem connection but with Telnet it disconnects after giving the time. But the link I sent has all the information of the fields. I could build something into mComm to accept a time request from the model-t. A simple Basic program could open up the port, request the time and set the time & date of the model-T with the information that is sent back. But realistically, how useful is that? Kurt On 10/23/2015 7:30 PM, Donald Kyllo wrote: While the time is being displayed, press the ? to get a description of all the numbers in the string. Don On 10/23/2015 07:09 PM, Kurt McCullum wrote: I just tested this on my T200 with mComm. Works fine. From the file viewer Press ! and then the Telnet URL prompt comes up. Entering time.nist.gov:13 and pressing ENTER gives the time. I'm not sure what the numbers before the date or after the seconds are but it gives a single time entry. Kurt On 10/23/2015 6:14 PM, Donald Kyllo wrote: time.nist.gov 13
Re: [M100] time
While the time is being displayed, press the ? to get a description of all the numbers in the string. Don On 10/23/2015 07:09 PM, Kurt McCullum wrote: I just tested this on my T200 with mComm. Works fine. From the file viewer Press ! and then the Telnet URL prompt comes up. Entering time.nist.gov:13 and pressing ENTER gives the time. I'm not sure what the numbers before the date or after the seconds are but it gives a single time entry. Kurt On 10/23/2015 6:14 PM, Donald Kyllo wrote: time.nist.gov 13
Re: [M100] time
For some years, I had a bit of software that I ran on a 486 machine which dialed up NIST via a Hayes modem, and set my Hayes Chronograph. Of course, hoarder that I am , I still have all three. John W. - Original Message - From: "Peter Vollan" To: "Model 100 Discussion" Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 3:32 PM Subject: [M100] time I have just learned that if you "telnet time.nist.gov", the NIST sends you a string containing the accurate time and date (UTC of course). It seems to that that his could come in handy synchronising the Model T to accurate time.
Re: [M100] time
Actually this ends up being a NIST time request and would work with any time server on port 13. Port 37 (Time protocol) would give a cryptic response. A list of servers is in the following link http://tf.nist.gov/tf-cgi/servers.cgi Kurt On 10/23/2015 7:09 PM, Kurt McCullum wrote: I just tested this on my T200 with mComm. Works fine. From the file viewer Press ! and then the Telnet URL prompt comes up. Entering time.nist.gov:13 and pressing ENTER gives the time. I'm not sure what the numbers before the date or after the seconds are but it gives a single time entry. Kurt On 10/23/2015 6:14 PM, Donald Kyllo wrote: time.nist.gov 13
Re: [M100] time
I just tested this on my T200 with mComm. Works fine. From the file viewer Press ! and then the Telnet URL prompt comes up. Entering time.nist.gov:13 and pressing ENTER gives the time. I'm not sure what the numbers before the date or after the seconds are but it gives a single time entry. Kurt On 10/23/2015 6:14 PM, Donald Kyllo wrote: time.nist.gov 13
Re: [M100] time
For me the most amazing part of this is. that number 1+(303)494-4774 still works.Brad From: Lee Kelley To: Model 100 Discussion Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [M100] time At one time there was a phone number for that and someone won a programming contest for writing a program to do just that.http://www.club100.org/blosxom/contest2010/vollan/nist/nistdo.do Lee On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Peter Vollan wrote: ISTR that there is a way that the m100 can do telnet, but not ssh On 23 October 2015 at 14:08, Josh Malone wrote: > Now we just need an Ethernet to serial adapter for the model t :-) > > On Oct 23, 2015 3:32 PM, "Peter Vollan" wrote: >> >> I have just learned that if you "telnet time.nist.gov", the NIST sends >> you a string containing the accurate time and date (UTC of course). It >> seems to that that his could come in handy synchronising the Model T >> to accurate time. -- "I will never in my lifetime make a film that cannot be seen by the whole family" Arther P. Jacobs
Re: [M100] time
303-494-4774 M8N1D On 10/23/2015 03:34 PM, Peter Vollan wrote: Darn it, I wrote it wrong. It is telnet time.nist.gov 13 ... that spits out the cryptic string used by my dialup time setting program. And then disconnects. In about 1991 I used to call BBSs with my model 100, and there were some that came through just fine. Those were the text only ones that did not use ANSI. I think there was one called a "Henge". Also I think we all know the the Model 100 has a termcap file for Unix sytems On 23 October 2015 at 15:01, Kurt McCullum wrote: mComm (Windows TPDD/TELCOM server) has the ability to create a Telnet session. My intent was to use it to attach to the various BBS systems. But until somebody sets up a BBS for the 40x8 screen size with escape codes specific to the M100, it's a bit pointless. Butif you want to check the time go for it. Kurt On Friday, October 23, 2015 2:08 PM, Josh Malone wrote: Now we just need an Ethernet to serial adapter for the model t :-) On Oct 23, 2015 3:32 PM, "Peter Vollan" wrote: I have just learned that if you "telnet time.nist.gov", the NIST sends you a string containing the accurate time and date (UTC of course). It seems to that that his could come in handy synchronising the Model T to accurate time.
Re: [M100] time
Darn it, I wrote it wrong. It is telnet time.nist.gov 13 ... that spits out the cryptic string used by my dialup time setting program. And then disconnects. In about 1991 I used to call BBSs with my model 100, and there were some that came through just fine. Those were the text only ones that did not use ANSI. I think there was one called a "Henge". Also I think we all know the the Model 100 has a termcap file for Unix sytems On 23 October 2015 at 15:01, Kurt McCullum wrote: > mComm (Windows TPDD/TELCOM server) has the ability to create a Telnet > session. My intent was to use it to attach to the various BBS systems. But > until somebody sets up a BBS for the 40x8 screen size with escape codes > specific to the M100, it's a bit pointless. Butif you want to check the > time go for it. > > Kurt > > > > On Friday, October 23, 2015 2:08 PM, Josh Malone > wrote: > > > Now we just need an Ethernet to serial adapter for the model t :-) > On Oct 23, 2015 3:32 PM, "Peter Vollan" wrote: > > I have just learned that if you "telnet time.nist.gov", the NIST sends > you a string containing the accurate time and date (UTC of course). It > seems to that that his could come in handy synchronising the Model T > to accurate time. > > >
Re: [M100] time
Um. yes, Lee, that was me. On 23 October 2015 at 14:45, Lee Kelley wrote: > At one time there was a phone number for that and someone won a programming > contest for writing a program to do just that. > http://www.club100.org/blosxom/contest2010/vollan/nist/nistdo.do > > Lee > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Peter Vollan wrote: >> >> ISTR that there is a way that the m100 can do telnet, but not ssh >> >> >> On 23 October 2015 at 14:08, Josh Malone wrote: >> > Now we just need an Ethernet to serial adapter for the model t :-) >> > >> > On Oct 23, 2015 3:32 PM, "Peter Vollan" wrote: >> >> >> >> I have just learned that if you "telnet time.nist.gov", the NIST sends >> >> you a string containing the accurate time and date (UTC of course). It >> >> seems to that that his could come in handy synchronising the Model T >> >> to accurate time. > > > > > -- > "I will never in my lifetime make a film that cannot be seen by the whole > family" Arther P. Jacobs
Re: [M100] time
mComm (Windows TPDD/TELCOM server) has the ability to create a Telnet session. My intent was to use it to attach to the various BBS systems. But until somebody sets up a BBS for the 40x8 screen size with escape codes specific to the M100, it's a bit pointless. Butif you want to check the time go for it. Kurt On Friday, October 23, 2015 2:08 PM, Josh Malone wrote: Now we just need an Ethernet to serial adapter for the model t :-)On Oct 23, 2015 3:32 PM, "Peter Vollan" wrote: I have just learned that if you "telnet time.nist.gov", the NIST sends you a string containing the accurate time and date (UTC of course). It seems to that that his could come in handy synchronising the Model T to accurate time.
Re: [M100] time
At one time there was a phone number for that and someone won a programming contest for writing a program to do just that. http://www.club100.org/blosxom/contest2010/vollan/nist/nistdo.do Lee On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Peter Vollan wrote: > ISTR that there is a way that the m100 can do telnet, but not ssh > > > On 23 October 2015 at 14:08, Josh Malone wrote: > > Now we just need an Ethernet to serial adapter for the model t :-) > > > > On Oct 23, 2015 3:32 PM, "Peter Vollan" wrote: > >> > >> I have just learned that if you "telnet time.nist.gov", the NIST sends > >> you a string containing the accurate time and date (UTC of course). It > >> seems to that that his could come in handy synchronising the Model T > >> to accurate time. > -- *"I will never in my lifetime make a film that cannot be seen by the whole family"* Arther P. Jacobs
Re: [M100] time
ISTR that there is a way that the m100 can do telnet, but not ssh On 23 October 2015 at 14:08, Josh Malone wrote: > Now we just need an Ethernet to serial adapter for the model t :-) > > On Oct 23, 2015 3:32 PM, "Peter Vollan" wrote: >> >> I have just learned that if you "telnet time.nist.gov", the NIST sends >> you a string containing the accurate time and date (UTC of course). It >> seems to that that his could come in handy synchronising the Model T >> to accurate time.
Re: [M100] time
Now we just need an Ethernet to serial adapter for the model t :-) On Oct 23, 2015 3:32 PM, "Peter Vollan" wrote: > I have just learned that if you "telnet time.nist.gov", the NIST sends > you a string containing the accurate time and date (UTC of course). It > seems to that that his could come in handy synchronising the Model T > to accurate time. >
[M100] time
I have just learned that if you "telnet time.nist.gov", the NIST sends you a string containing the accurate time and date (UTC of course). It seems to that that his could come in handy synchronising the Model T to accurate time.
Re: [M100] Time Minder
I found it. Time minder pulls all three bytes from the clock chip and places
them in memory. Then it builds the calendar for the selected month. Finding the
year and adding 100 was the easy part. For the display error I kept looking for
19 so I could change it to 20 but that would be two bytes. So I began looking
for a hex value of 13 and sure enough I found it. I have to modify it on the
fly since it's in a temporary location.
I have been able to modify all 4 versions of the software. I have not saved the
two cassette versions back to mp3 but when I get back from my trip I will. I
changed 6 bytes of the existing code and added 12 bytes of new code to each.
Kudos to Ken for Virtual-T. I never could have pulled this off using just the
T200.
Kurt
On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 4:17 AM, Ron Wiesen wrote:
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div.yiv6343079072Section1 {}#yiv6343079072 Hello Kurt: “It pulls theYear,
Month and Day values from the clock chip but then does it's owncalculations.
This makes leap days valid.” As I recall, the clock chip does not
expressFebruary 29 on leap days because it does not incorporate leap years
within itsdate algorithm. So when a leap year arrives and time passes 23:59:00
onFebruary 28, the clock chip advances to time of 00:00:00 and date of March 1.
But it is possible to incorporate a Modified JulianDate algorithm into a
program that will be accurate. One is part of the SunCompass program, which
can be found at the Club 100 website as first place entryof the Club 100 27th
annual programming contest. Keeper of the Primordial Bit (mother of all
bits), -=Ron Wiesen =- From: M100 [mailto: m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com
] On Behalf Of Kurt McCullum
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 20:20
To: Model 100 Discussion
Subject: [M100] Time Minder Irecently acquired (Thanks Lee!) a copy of Time
Minder for the T200. Afterloading it up I realized that it suffered from a Y2K
bug. Different from whatwe see on Menu which is just a fixed value. Time Minder
calculates all datesfrom an epoch of Jan 1 1900 and ignores the DAY$ value in
the clock. So whencalculating calendar, there was no way to make it work on
dates above December31st, 1999. It pulls the Year, Month and Day values from
the clock chip butthen does it's own calculations. This makes leap days valid.
But trying tobuild a calendar for 2015 results in a 1915 calendar. Aftersome
digging with Virtual-T, I replaced a LDA command with a CALL to 6 newbytes of
code. There I loaded the Year and added 100 to the accumulator. Thismakes all
the calendars appear perfectly on dates past 2000. Theonly problem now is
displaying 20 instead of 19 on the screen. For some reasonfinding that code has
eluded me, but the software is not functional. Thereare 4 version of Time
Minder, two for loading from the cassette port and twofrom the DVI/TS-Dos.
Right now I have the DVI/TS-Dos versions working but stilldisplaying 19 instead
of 20 for the century. Mynext step is to apply the epoch year fix to the
cassette versions and then tryto fix the display issue. Kurt
Re: [M100] Time Minder
Hello Kurt: "It pulls the Year, Month and Day values from the clock chip but then does it's own calculations. This makes leap days valid." As I recall, the clock chip does not express February 29 on leap days because it does not incorporate leap years within its date algorithm. So when a leap year arrives and time passes 23:59:00 on February 28, the clock chip advances to time of 00:00:00 and date of March 1. But it is possible to incorporate a Modified Julian Date algorithm into a program that will be accurate. One is part of the Sun Compass program, which can be found at the Club 100 website as first place entry of the Club 100 27th annual programming contest. Keeper of the Primordial Bit (mother of all bits), -= Ron Wiesen =- _ From: M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com] On Behalf Of Kurt McCullum Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 20:20 To: Model 100 Discussion Subject: [M100] Time Minder I recently acquired (Thanks Lee!) a copy of Time Minder for the T200. After loading it up I realized that it suffered from a Y2K bug. Different from what we see on Menu which is just a fixed value. Time Minder calculates all dates from an epoch of Jan 1 1900 and ignores the DAY$ value in the clock. So when calculating calendar, there was no way to make it work on dates above December 31st, 1999. It pulls the Year, Month and Day values from the clock chip but then does it's own calculations. This makes leap days valid. But trying to build a calendar for 2015 results in a 1915 calendar. After some digging with Virtual-T, I replaced a LDA command with a CALL to 6 new bytes of code. There I loaded the Year and added 100 to the accumulator. This makes all the calendars appear perfectly on dates past 2000. The only problem now is displaying 20 instead of 19 on the screen. For some reason finding that code has eluded me, but the software is not functional. There are 4 version of Time Minder, two for loading from the cassette port and two from the DVI/TS-Dos. Right now I have the DVI/TS-Dos versions working but still displaying 19 instead of 20 for the century. My next step is to apply the epoch year fix to the cassette versions and then try to fix the display issue. Kurt
Re: [M100] Time Minder
Danke schön! On Jun 29, 2015 4:13 PM, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Shaun M. Wheeler > wrote: > > I keep getting 404 errors trying to access the M100SIG! > > > http://bitchin100.com/files/m10x/M100SIGNOVAN.zip > > -- John. >
Re: [M100] Time Minder
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Shaun M. Wheeler wrote: > I keep getting 404 errors trying to access the M100SIG! http://bitchin100.com/files/m10x/M100SIGNOVAN.zip -- John.
Re: [M100] Time Minder
I keep getting 404 errors trying to access the M100SIG! On Jun 29, 2015 4:03 PM, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > It's by Acroatix. "The Most Precious Commodity." > > It's big, but it is well designed. I think with REX in the picture it > makes a lot more sense since you can devote a "virtual model T" > instance to it and quickly swap it in as necessary. > > It's in the M100SIG archive. I should have a .CO file around > somewhere. Otherwise I found I needed TS-DOS in "DOS" mode to load if > via HXFER format since the archive has text encoded rather than binary > files. At the time I was using DLPilot, but it should load the same > via LaddieAlpha. > > -- John. >
Re: [M100] Time Minder
It's by Acroatix. "The Most Precious Commodity." It's big, but it is well designed. I think with REX in the picture it makes a lot more sense since you can devote a "virtual model T" instance to it and quickly swap it in as necessary. It's in the M100SIG archive. I should have a .CO file around somewhere. Otherwise I found I needed TS-DOS in "DOS" mode to load if via HXFER format since the archive has text encoded rather than binary files. At the time I was using DLPilot, but it should load the same via LaddieAlpha. -- John.
Re: [M100] Time Minder
No, I didn't even know it existed. Kurt On Monday, June 29, 2015 1:40 PM, John R. Hogerhuis wrote: Have you tried TMPC? Excellent program. -- John.
Re: [M100] Time Minder
Have you tried TMPC? Excellent program. -- John.
[M100] Time Minder
I recently acquired (Thanks Lee!) a copy of Time Minder for the T200. After loading it up I realized that it suffered from a Y2K bug. Different from what we see on Menu which is just a fixed value. Time Minder calculates all dates from an epoch of Jan 1 1900 and ignores the DAY$ value in the clock. So when calculating calendar, there was no way to make it work on dates above December 31st, 1999. It pulls the Year, Month and Day values from the clock chip but then does it's own calculations. This makes leap days valid. But trying to build a calendar for 2015 results in a 1915 calendar. After some digging with Virtual-T, I replaced a LDA command with a CALL to 6 new bytes of code. There I loaded the Year and added 100 to the accumulator. This makes all the calendars appear perfectly on dates past 2000. The only problem now is displaying 20 instead of 19 on the screen. For some reason finding that code has eluded me, but the software is not functional. There are 4 version of Time Minder, two for loading from the cassette port and two from the DVI/TS-Dos. Right now I have the DVI/TS-Dos versions working but still displaying 19 instead of 20 for the century. My next step is to apply the epoch year fix to the cassette versions and then try to fix the display issue. Kurt
Re: [M100] Time Minder
Thanks Lee! -- On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 8:43 PM PDT Lee Kelley wrote: >I do. Ill locate it and let you know. > >On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Kurt McCullum wrote: >> Does anybody have a copy of Time Minder 26-3883 for the T200 that they >would like to part with? >> >> Kurt >> > >-- >*"I will never in my lifetime make a film that cannot be seen by the whole >family"* Arther P. Jacobs
Re: [M100] Time Minder
Thanks Lee! -- On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 8:43 PM PDT Lee Kelley wrote: >I do. Ill locate it and let you know. > >On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Kurt McCullum wrote: >> Does anybody have a copy of Time Minder 26-3883 for the T200 that they >would like to part with? >> >> Kurt >> > >-- >*"I will never in my lifetime make a film that cannot be seen by the whole >family"* Arther P. Jacobs
Re: [M100] Time Minder
I do. Ill locate it and let you know. On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, Kurt McCullum wrote: > Does anybody have a copy of Time Minder 26-3883 for the T200 that they would like to part with? > > Kurt > -- *"I will never in my lifetime make a film that cannot be seen by the whole family"* Arther P. Jacobs
[M100] Time Minder
Does anybody have a copy of Time Minder 26-3883 for the T200 that they would like to part with? Kurt
