Moving a Character at a time

[David Griffith]

 This is the first mail I have sent to the  Mac list using my Mac so progress 
is slowly being made. . However I can navigate characters by using shift plus 
right and left cursor arrow. This appears to highlight  each character I am 
moving. Is there a way of moving a character at a time without selecting then 
text in VoiceOver? I need to  practise this so a referral to tutorial or part 
of the Voiceover help would be good. Not immediately found though. At the 
moment I have to edit words by using the delete to delete backwards through 
whole words rather the  edit them.

Regards
David Griffith
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RE: NTPD syntax; [Reminder Please?]

[Jonathan Cohn]

Ntpdc is the command to query ntpd.  Ntp.conf has the configurations. There are 
man pages for both.

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Subject: NTPD syntax; [Reminder Please?]

Hello everybody

Could one of the terminal gurus out there please remind me how to:
1. quiz a NTP server for its response.
2. manually force the client machine to do an update using a specified ntp 
service.

Thank you.

Lynne

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NTPD syntax; [Reminder Please?]

[Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith]

Hello everybody

Could one of the terminal gurus out there please remind me how to:
1. quiz a NTP server for its response.
2. manually force the client machine to do an update using a specified ntp 
service.

Thank you.

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New time capsule impressions and questions

[Eric Caron]

Hi list,

My old router was fading quickly, it needed a restart once a day or so, 
to provide a connection.  I had been looking for a external storage drive so I 
went all out and purchased the new Time Capsule with 2 TB storage.  It arrived 
yesterday and after setting it up I received a pleasant surprise.

I had been looking into ways to speed up my Mac book recently.  It felt 
sluggish lately.  Well once I connected to the new router I get the biggest 
surprise the speed of my mac on the internet was so much faster!  Even without 
the ether net cable the speed felt almost like I had instant access to pages.  
I would interact with a link and just be there.  
I wanted to share this because if other folks are finding the internet 
and on line experiences slow it may not be your computer.  I thought things 
might improve a little,  but this is really a dramatic improvement. 

The Time Capsule also has 2 TB of storage.  I'm hoping someone can explain to 
me how to access this storage and how it can be best used.  I found it under 
network but was hoping to find a way to just keep it on my desk top.  

Can someone explain how the time capsule storage is used and if it can 
be partitioned like a hard drive? 
Any tips on how I can use this storage and how it works differently then a 
simple external drive would be greatly appreciated. 
warmly,

Eric Caron 
 
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accessing macs remotely?

[joe quinn]

is there an accessible way to access a mac remotely? doubt it, but... and, i 
don't mean via ssh/telnet.
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prizmo on the i-phone

[michael weaver]

what is the order of options to choose when scanning text in 
prizmo on the i-phone?
i went to text, asked a sighted person to test it by taking a 
picture of some text only the text didn't appear for it to be 
read out for some reason so there must be an option i may be 
missing unless my sighted befrender didn't double tap to actually 
capture the text.
is there a podcast about prizmo which isn't from the perspective 
of a sighted user which might help?
i found a prizmo demonstration podcast for the i-phone only the 
lady i think talking through the demonstration of prizmo only 
said what the scanned text was like on screen which was no good 
from a blindness perspective.

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Shopping Apps For Iphone/Ipad

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi Everyone!

So you do your grocery shopping every week and you want to be absolutely 
organized? Then here's the best app I've seen to help you "organize" your 
shopping and its free!

Note that the Woolworths app is only available in Australia as far as I know.

This app does everything you'd expect a shoppers helper to do and far more.  
Firstly, it can locate your nearest store and thus will display the local 
stores product catalogue and appropriate weekly specials if any, you can then 
browse all of these and add what you want to your shopping list where you can 
edit, manipulate by increasing or decreasing the amount of an item or items 
required, email your list to someone or an address in your contacts list etc.

The app is fully accessible with Voiceover with plenty of help screens and tips 
available should you find yourself lost in the software.

The app tells in where to find items, for example if you add a kilo of apples 
to your shopping list of a particular type, the Woolworths app will tell you in 
what row to look and this is displayed in your shopping list so you can send 
someone down to the supermarket and they'll know exactly where to find an item.

Have some products in your pan tree you wish to order again but can't remember 
what the label says so you've no idea what to search for? No problem, the 
Woolworths app has an in-built bar code scanner, take the product from the pan 
tree, scan the bar code and the app will identify the product where upon you 
can add it to your shopping list.

I see wonderful potential for this app and full marks to the developers for 
what they've achieved with the app thus far, pity you can't order a delivery 
but perhaps that will come in the future.

In short 2 words sum up my feelings regarding the Woolworths App, "Most 
Impressive".



Sent from my iPad
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Is the Lion XCode IOS simulator accessible?

[Geoff Waaler]

Greetings,

In xCode for Lion, I built the MoveMe project described In the Apple tutorial 
entitled: Creating an iPhone Application  

I'm still trying to wrap my head around objective C, hence am probably missing 
a number of details, but when I run MoveMe, it appears to build successfully 
and launch in the IOS simulator.  According to the documentation, a welcome 
button draws an NSString (presumably text) object using a custom instance 
method called: drawRect.

My expectation was that in the simulator window there would be a button visible 
to voiceOver showing the word: "welcome".  Instead there is no content visible 
to voiceOver whether I use the two finger flick reading commands or the one 
finger flick left/right on the trackpad.

I am wondering whether vo can be used in Lion in the xCode iPhone simulator.  
If so, perhaps the draw method failed to implement an accessibility feature (II 
still lack the knowledge to determine that).

Has anyone else played with the IOS simulator?  TIA for any thoughts or ideas.
Geoff
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More alternatives For Email Addresses From Mac Access Dot Net

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Hello everybody

As long-time list members will know, but perhaps newer ones don't, we at Mac 
Access Dot Net are happy to offer free email addresses on our secure servers to 
those who would like them. As well as being able to offer addresses in the 
mac-access.net, mac-access.co.uk, mac-access.org and mac-access.org.uk domains, 
we can now also offer:
maciosaccess.com
maciosaccess.co.uk
maciosaccess.org
maciosaccess.org.uk

These new domains form part of plans we are working on as a part of our 
upcoming network expansion. We are also rolling out more Email servers on our 
new network trunk which will come on stream any time between 22 and 25 August.

If anybody is interested in any of these or would like an account at any of the 
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Re: Read all / say all in voiceover

[Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith]

Hello David

That's why this list is here. Feel free to keep asking questions. The beginning 
of wisdom is "I do not know". We all had to wise up some time. And I'm sure we 
all started out with "I do not know".

Please do recommend this group  to your friends if they have a Mac interest or 
an iOS interest.

Gordon is going to approach Apple to see if we can get this group listed on the 
resources pages which Apple maintains. The other list is there so why not this 
one as well? If anybody else feels disposed to back us up in this, we will be 
grateful.

Lynne

On 17 Aug 2011, at 11:01, David Griffith wrote:
Thanks for the patience.

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Re: VMWare on the Mac

[Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith]

Hello Sean

Sharp Keys is a Windows utility that allows you to modify the keyboard layout. 
But it's off topic for this group as it is Windows.

Just to remind the group of list policy on this issue. The configuration of the 
VM itself is on topic. But the configuration of anything inside of the VM is 
definitely off topic for this group. That includes your screen-reader or 
anything else.

Lynne

On 17 Aug 2011, at 11:00, Sean Murphy wrote:

HI,

thanks Gordon and Cliff.

I do have some more questions.

1. 
what is this file and where do you get it?

2. So I need to modify the preferences keyboard shortcut and re-assign keys? 

I will play with the later and see what occurs.

Sean 


On 17/08/2011, at 3:35 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote:

> The main thing you need to do is get the sharp key file.  This enables you to 
> map keys to do what you want.  For example, I use the grave key for my jaws 
> key, this is the key right below the escape key.  I also changed my option 
> key to the windows key, and the command key on the left side to the alt key.  
> I also changed my back slash key to the right control key, since the right 
> control key is something I use a lot of on the windows side.  HT, if you need 
> anything further, my contact info is below.
> 
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> (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians
> 
> 
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> On Aug 16, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Sean Murphy wrote:
> 
>> Hi All.
>> 
>> I have got VMWare fusion installed with a WinXp image. The image has Jaws 
>> for Windows also installed.
>> 
>> What I need to know is how you do the following:
>> 
>> 1. Stop the MAC from using the CAP-locks key? This is because Jaws in laptop 
>> keyboard layout uses this key by default.
>> 
>> 
>> 2. How do you make VMWare to except all keystrokes within the guess 
>> environment? command G places the focus into the environment.
>> 
>> 3. HOw do you get the insert or num-lock key?
>> 
>> I have managed to get a work around by using an external keyboard from my 
>> MacBook Pro series 5, 5.
>> 
>> Any other tips are welcomed.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Navigation text questions

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Hi all,
There is an option in VoiceOver Utility to force it to behave like the Windows 
screen readers and speak the item to the right of the cursor each time.  That 
is on the Text pane of Verbosity settings, and defaults to "Speak Text the 
Cursor Passes."  I recommend getting used to the way the Mac does things on its 
own though, not trying to make it act like Windows.
Best,
Zack.
On Aug 17, 2011, at 3:19 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Sean,
> 
> To understand text navigation on the Mac, you need to picture a line being 
> drawn between two characters. This is the insertion point. The insertion 
> point moves from left to right of a character as you press the right arrow, 
> and from right to left as you press the left arrow. When the insertion point 
> is to the right of a character, the backspace will delete that character.
> 
> To me, this is perfectly logical, but I've never used Windows.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 17 Aug 2011, at 12:08, Sean Murphy wrote:
> 
>> Hi All.
>> 
>> This is a basic question. But it is doing my head in.
>> 
>> When you move by character or word. the cursor is always at the end of the 
>> word when moving from left to right. If you move right to left then the 
>> insert cursor is at the beginning. This is the reverse to what I am used too.
>> 
>> Why is this the case?
>> 
>> So how do you delete the character you are currently on?
>> 
>> How do you stop the same character being spoken twice when you move to the 
>> previous character and then back again? EG: Say you are on a space. Then you 
>> press the left arrow key. YOu hear a  character. Then you press the right 
>> arrow key you hear the same character. This type of double announcing isn't 
>> seen under windows.
>> 
>> If there is a good tutorial on this. Point me to it.
>> 
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Re: Navigation text questions

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Hello Sean,

To understand text navigation on the Mac, you need to picture a line being 
drawn between two characters. This is the insertion point. The insertion point 
moves from left to right of a character as you press the right arrow, and from 
right to left as you press the left arrow. When the insertion point is to the 
right of a character, the backspace will delete that character.

To me, this is perfectly logical, but I've never used Windows.

Cheers,

Anne


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> Hi All.
> 
> This is a basic question. But it is doing my head in.
> 
> When you move by character or word. the cursor is always at the end of the 
> word when moving from left to right. If you move right to left then the 
> insert cursor is at the beginning. This is the reverse to what I am used too.
> 
> Why is this the case?
> 
> So how do you delete the character you are currently on?
> 
> How do you stop the same character being spoken twice when you move to the 
> previous character and then back again? EG: Say you are on a space. Then you 
> press the left arrow key. YOu hear a  character. Then you press the right 
> arrow key you hear the same character. This type of double announcing isn't 
> seen under windows.
> 
> If there is a good tutorial on this. Point me to it.
> 
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Navigation text questions

[Sean Murphy]

Hi All.

This is a basic question. But it is doing my head in.

When you move by character or word. the cursor is always at the end of the word 
when moving from left to right. If you move right to left then the insert 
cursor is at the beginning. This is the reverse to what I am used too.

Why is this the case?

So how do you delete the character you are currently on?

How do you stop the same character being spoken twice when you move to the 
previous character and then back again? EG: Say you are on a space. Then you 
press the left arrow key. YOu hear a  character. Then you press the right arrow 
key you hear the same character. This type of double announcing isn't seen 
under windows.

If there is a good tutorial on this. Point me to it.

Sean  
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Shell auto tab completion

[Sean Murphy]

Hi All.

Those of you who play in the shell for Mac. How do you turn on auto completion. 

This is normally turned on by default for all other Linux/UNix base OS's that I 
have used in the past. I would like to know why Apple in their wisdom have 
disabled it. I couldn't find the answer on Apples support.

Sean 
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RE: Read all / say all in voiceover

[David Griffith]

Brilliant.
I found VO B but for some reason did not pick up VO A which is the command I
wanted.
Thanks for the patience.

David Griffith

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Subject: Re: Read all / say all in voiceover 

David,

Press control + option + A (VO+A) to read all from your current location.
and VO+B to read from the beginning up to your current location.

Chris 
On 17 Aug 2011, at 10:43, David Griffith wrote:

> Dear list 
> 
> I have several books in text format which I need to read.
> They have been scanned from hard copy and typically will be 300 500 pages
in
> length.
> Typically these are broken up into chapters which take up about 30 pages
> each.
> 
> I started to read one of these today in Text Edit on the Mac. However the
> biggest level of reading I can find is read paragraph which as you might
> imagine is an extremely laborious way of working through these books.
> I am looking for the voiceover equivalent of the say All command which
will
> allow me to listen to the book until I need to make notes in it or edit it
> to correct scanning errors.
> 
> Sorry for these basic questions as this is one of the most basic commands
in
> a screen reader but I cannot find it so far using keyboard help and
> documentation.
> 
> Regards
> 
> David Griffith.
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Re: VMWare on the Mac

[Sean Murphy]

HI,

thanks Gordon and Cliff.

I do have some more questions.

1. 
 what is this file and where do you get it?

2. So I need to modify the preferences keyboard shortcut and re-assign keys? 

I will play with the later and see what occurs.

Sean 


On 17/08/2011, at 3:35 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote:

> The main thing you need to do is get the sharp key file.  This enables you to 
> map keys to do what you want.  For example, I use the grave key for my jaws 
> key, this is the key right below the escape key.  I also changed my option 
> key to the windows key, and the command key on the left side to the alt key.  
> I also changed my back slash key to the right control key, since the right 
> control key is something I use a lot of on the windows side.  HT, if you need 
> anything further, my contact info is below.
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> 
>> Hi All.
>> 
>> I have got VMWare fusion installed with a WinXp image. The image has Jaws 
>> for Windows also installed.
>> 
>> What I need to know is how you do the following:
>> 
>> 1. Stop the MAC from using the CAP-locks key? This is because Jaws in laptop 
>> keyboard layout uses this key by default.
>> 
>> 
>> 2. How do you make VMWare to except all keystrokes within the guess 
>> environment? command G places the focus into the environment.
>> 
>> 3. HOw do you get the insert or num-lock key?
>> 
>> I have managed to get a work around by using an external keyboard from my 
>> MacBook Pro series 5, 5.
>> 
>> Any other tips are welcomed.
>> 
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Re: Read all / say all in voiceover

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David,

Press control + option + A (VO+A) to read all from your current location. and 
VO+B to read from the beginning up to your current location.

Chris 
On 17 Aug 2011, at 10:43, David Griffith wrote:

> Dear list 
> 
> I have several books in text format which I need to read.
> They have been scanned from hard copy and typically will be 300 500 pages in
> length.
> Typically these are broken up into chapters which take up about 30 pages
> each.
> 
> I started to read one of these today in Text Edit on the Mac. However the
> biggest level of reading I can find is read paragraph which as you might
> imagine is an extremely laborious way of working through these books.
> I am looking for the voiceover equivalent of the say All command which will
> allow me to listen to the book until I need to make notes in it or edit it
> to correct scanning errors.
> 
> Sorry for these basic questions as this is one of the most basic commands in
> a screen reader but I cannot find it so far using keyboard help and
> documentation.
> 
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> 
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Read all / say all in voiceover

[David Griffith]

Dear list 

I have several books in text format which I need to read.
They have been scanned from hard copy and typically will be 300 500 pages in
length.
Typically these are broken up into chapters which take up about 30 pages
each.

I started to read one of these today in Text Edit on the Mac. However the
biggest level of reading I can find is read paragraph which as you might
imagine is an extremely laborious way of working through these books.
I am looking for the voiceover equivalent of the say All command which will
allow me to listen to the book until I need to make notes in it or edit it
to correct scanning errors.

Sorry for these basic questions as this is one of the most basic commands in
a screen reader but I cannot find it so far using keyboard help and
documentation.

Regards

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Re: Extracting part of a web page?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Geoff,

At the second hotspot, you need to do a Shift-click. Yes, it still works in 
Lion, and no, I haven't found another way of doing this.

Cheers,

Anne


On 17 Aug 2011, at 10:09, Geoff Waaler wrote:

> Greetings all,
> 
> Some time back I believe it was Ann R who described a workable procedure to 
> copy a portion of a web page.  Either the technique does not work in Lion or 
> I'm missing a step or two.
> 
> Running Lion 10.7.1 and the Aug 17 nightly webkit build I took the following 
> steps:
> 1. Define hotspots for the beginning and end of the text I wanted to copy.
> 2. Turned trackpad commander off.
> 3. Moved to hotspot1.
> 4. Rout the mouse via vo-shift-f5 and verified with vo-f5.
> 5. Click the trackpad (to clarify, I did not use the VO mouse click command).
> 6. Rout to the hotspot which was set at the end of my desired selection.
> 7. repeat steps 4 and 5 above.
> 8. Press command-c.
> 
> If I'm not overlooking a step, this use to result in the desired text being 
> copied to the clipboard.  Instead a beep is emitted and nothing is copied.
> 
> So I am wondering how to accomplish this task?  Dear I hope that there is a 
> less cumbersome way to do this in Lion?
> 
> TIA for any ideas and best regards.
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Re: Extracting part of a web page?

[Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith]

Hello Geoff

This method seems very complex. Why can't you just select the text by 
interacting with it and then pressing VO+Enter? I am sure that works, almost.

Lynne

On 17 Aug 2011, at 09:09, Geoff Waaler wrote:

Greetings all,

Some time back I believe it was Ann R who described a workable procedure to 
copy a portion of a web page.  Either the technique does not work in Lion or 
I'm missing a step or two.

Running Lion 10.7.1 and the Aug 17 nightly webkit build I took the following 
steps:
1. Define hotspots for the beginning and end of the text I wanted to copy.
2. Turned trackpad commander off.
3. Moved to hotspot1.
4. Rout the mouse via vo-shift-f5 and verified with vo-f5.
5. Click the trackpad (to clarify, I did not use the VO mouse click command).
6. Rout to the hotspot which was set at the end of my desired selection.
7. repeat steps 4 and 5 above.
8. Press command-c.

If I'm not overlooking a step, this use to result in the desired text being 
copied to the clipboard.  Instead a beep is emitted and nothing is copied.

So I am wondering how to accomplish this task?  Dear I hope that there is a 
less cumbersome way to do this in Lion?

TIA for any ideas and best regards.
Geoff
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Extracting part of a web page?

[Geoff Waaler]

Greetings all,

Some time back I believe it was Ann R who described a workable procedure to 
copy a portion of a web page.  Either the technique does not work in Lion or 
I'm missing a step or two.

Running Lion 10.7.1 and the Aug 17 nightly webkit build I took the following 
steps:
1. Define hotspots for the beginning and end of the text I wanted to copy.
2. Turned trackpad commander off.
3. Moved to hotspot1.
4. Rout the mouse via vo-shift-f5 and verified with vo-f5.
5. Click the trackpad (to clarify, I did not use the VO mouse click command).
6. Rout to the hotspot which was set at the end of my desired selection.
7. repeat steps 4 and 5 above.
8. Press command-c.

If I'm not overlooking a step, this use to result in the desired text being 
copied to the clipboard.  Instead a beep is emitted and nothing is copied.

So I am wondering how to accomplish this task?  Dear I hope that there is a 
less cumbersome way to do this in Lion?

TIA for any ideas and best regards.
Geoff
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Mac Access Dot Net Expansion Plans

[Gordon & Lynne Smith]

Hello everybody

On 25 August 2011 Mac Access will be adding another network trunk to our system 
meaning that we wil have 3 separate Internet backbones. There are a number of 
reasons why we've opted to invest in this way, but I won't go into all of those 
here because it would turn into a bit of an essay.

The reason I'm mentioning it now is this. You may remember that some time ago 
we talked about establishing a cloud backup service for a fee. We eventually 
opted not to go that route because it would have been a little difficult for us 
to keep on top of which users were due what, when and why. Also the process of 
taking payments would have been a little messy.

However, we have decided to offer a free backup solution to a number of clients 
and customers.  Yes, you heard me right, a "free" backup solution.

If you are interested to know more, please contact the support address and we 
will tell you how it will work.  The last time we tried this we got some pretty 
skeptical messages. One of which virtually accused us of trying to collect and 
steal people's personal data.  That is not the case, and we encourage you to 
use encryption if you wish to join our service. But that's your call. More 
information upon request, off list.

Lynne

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