Re: radium was Re: dropbox
oh ok so it only works with subscription based stations? On Aug 29, 2011, at 5:39 AM, Esther wrote: Hi Joe, The preferences menu of Radium has three tabs: General, Controls, and Subscriptions. If you want to access subscriptions, after bringing up the preferences menu either by using Command+comma, which is the general shortcut for accessing preferences in any application, or by navigating to the preferences menu button (VO-Right arrow or Right Flick, if you brought up access to the Radium menu through double tapping the Radium icon in the dock with Trackpad Commander in the dock, or by using the Shift-Command-E shortcut after you enabled it by checking the box in Controls pane of the Preferences menu during a previous session), then on the Subscriptions tab there is a message To listen to a subscription-only station with Radium, select the desired station and click Edit Subscription. Navigate to the table listing subscriptions and interact. Then, after you have chosen the subscription service you want to set up, such as Sirius XM radio, Sirius Internet Radio (Canada), X M Radio Online (Canada), Last.fm Autoscrobbler, or one of the other services, stop interacting with the table and navigate to the Edit Subscription button. Press the button (e.g. VO-Space, or double tap if you are using Trackpad Commander), then enter your E-mail and password into the text fields in the dialog window, then press the save button to record your subscription service information. You can explore the other Preference menu settings for options on how you want to configure the app. For example, you could choose to have it automatically tune in to the last-played channel, or to launch when you login to your account. Plus, there are other buttons and shortcuts for the equalizer menu (Command+E), or listening history (Command+I), as well as social networking options that I haven't tried at all. You can custom add other internet streams, and also request streams to be added. I've only played with the trial version. I'm really intrigued by the way they managed to get around the accessibility problems of using the status menu bar icon. Apparently the icon is still in the status menu bar, but you don't have to try to navigate to it to get the menu to show up. The keyboard shortcuts for starting and stopping radium, or the double tap on the radium icon in the dock if you have Trackpad Commander turned on will automatically bring VoiceOver focus to the menu. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Aug 28, 2011, at 16:57, joe quinn wrote: how do you access the xm raiod stuff? all i see upon etnering it, is a serach editbox. - Original Message - From: Esther mori...@mac.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 5:47 PM Subject: Re: dropbox Hi, According to the Dropbox forums, the latest beta (released two days ago), is version 1.2.28, and the Mac version can be downloaded from: http://dl-web.dropbox.com/u/17/Dropbox%201.2.28.dmg I believe you have to relaunch Finder after installing a new version of Dropbox. Either open Terminal (Command-Shift-U, then press t e, and Command-Down arrow to launch), and type: killall Finder followed by pressing return, or you should be able to do this from the GUI with Command-Option-Escape to bring up the Force Quit window, and select Finder. If you use the command line in Terminal, I believe that Finder needs to be typed with a capital F, since the unix shell is case sensitive. Incidentally, on the issue of accessibility of menus from the status bar icon, I was really surprised to find that the Radium program seems to have come up with a solution. Radium is an internet radio listening program for the Mac that was inaccessible up until the latest version. But the version they released in mid-July announced full support for Universal Access and VoiceOver in the What's New description for version 2.8.1. And the way they set it up, you can either turn on TrackPad Commander and double tap on the Radium icon in the Dock, or if you prefer to use keyboard shortcuts, you can press Command+Comma to bring up the preferences menu when the app is running, and then go to the Controls tab, and check boxes in the table for any of the shortcut keys for controlling the program. For example, if you check the box for Open/Close Radium, and accept the default shortcut of Shift-Command-E (as in echo), you can afterwards access the control menu by pressin g S hift-Command-E instead of double tapping the Radium icon in the dock with Trackpad Commander turned on. Basically, either of these methods gives you access to the menu that you would otherwise require navigating to the icon in the status menu bar, that VoiceOver doesn't see, and clicking with mouse or trackpad. There are a whole slew of shortcuts to control
Re: On-Screen Content, let's all bug Apple!
Hi all You know, this really is starting to bug me. I'm talking about the way Apple insists on changing what's written on the screen to dates and things that they think should be there. How on earth is this a valid date? I say we should start a campaign to have Apple stop mucking around with on-screen content and give us what's really there, not what they think should be there. I mean, what the hell do they mean by Version the first of february two thousand and twenty-eight, as in Esther's quite legitimate post?Come on Apple, this is totally pathetic. Gordon On 28 Aug 2011, at 23:47, Esther wrote: According to the Dropbox forums, the latest beta (released two days ago), is version 1.2.28, and the Mac version can be downloaded from: --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
onyx or similar for lion?
hi i hear onyx won't work on lion it says it works only on SL, can anyone recommend a good tool to do what onyx did? I will schedule it to keep mac in good condition --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: pgp (more about)
Travis This should be on Techno-chat, where the original thread started life. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: onyx or similar for lion?
Sent from my iPhone On 29 Aug 2011, at 08:58, william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote: hi i hear onyx won't work on lion it says it works only on SL, can anyone recommend a good tool to do what onyx did? I will schedule it to keep mac in good condition --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/Hi there is a new version of onyx that works with lion The version number is A2.4 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: More on verbosity of numbers
Gordon, Wouldn't exploitation of the activities feature introduced in Lion possibly serve as a work-around? That way you can have the numbers read as words in the Mail app, but as digits everywhere else? Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Gordon Smith To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:46 AM Subject: More on verbosity of numbers Hi all I think I need to qualify my last post a little. I'm talking about the way screen interpretation is changed. I have the VO Utility Verbosity Text speak numbers as setting set to words. However, I did this because I don't want to hear, for instance in the mailbox messages list, one seven messages, one six unread. I prefer to hear seventeen messages, sixteen unread. But the version numbers of programmes etc. is being taken way too literally, and it's being translated into something totally different. The version number in Esther's message, for instance, with the above VO setting set to words is spoken as Version the first of February two thousand and twenty-eight. I think we need some sort of half-way house here. There shouldn't only be one rule which covers everything. I need to think about this one a little, before approaching Apple with a solution. But I just hate everything being read as digits so I will keep that setting set to words and, for now, I guess I'll just have to tolerate it. Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: More on verbosity of numbers
Hello Geoff Nope, that's not going to help because you still get this problem, for instance, in the Finder when you happen to put focus on the app. But I'm not just referring to applications, I'm talking about screen interpretation in general. A screen-reader is supposed to read the screen's contents, not interpret them. Gordon On 29 Aug 2011, at 09:11, Geoff Waaler wrote: Gordon, Wouldn't exploitation of the activities feature introduced in Lion possibly serve as a work-around? That way you can have the numbers read as words in the Mail app, but as digits everywhere else? Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Gordon Smith To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:46 AM Subject: More on verbosity of numbers Hi all I think I need to qualify my last post a little. I'm talking about the way screen interpretation is changed. I have the VO Utility Verbosity Text speak numbers as setting set to words. However, I did this because I don't want to hear, for instance in the mailbox messages list, one seven messages, one six unread. I prefer to hear seventeen messages, sixteen unread. But the version numbers of programmes etc. is being taken way too literally, and it's being translated into something totally different. The version number in Esther's message, for instance, with the above VO setting set to words is spoken as Version the first of February two thousand and twenty-eight. I think we need some sort of half-way house here. There shouldn't only be one rule which covers everything. I need to think about this one a little, before approaching Apple with a solution. But I just hate everything being read as digits so I will keep that setting set to words and, for now, I guess I'll just have to tolerate it. Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: onyx or similar for lion?
Hi, There is a new version of onyx that will work with Lion. The version number is 2.4 If you Google it you should find it. I downloaded it just the other day and it works the same as the snow leopard version did. Regards Willliam Mutch Aberdeen --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: radium was Re: dropbox
how do we import from iTunes? On Aug 29, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Esther wrote: Hi Will, Radium is a general internet radio player that also will support subscription-based stations. Joe was asking how to access the Sirius XM subscription playing. You can input a specific radio station in the search field, or type in a category to use as a filter. You can also import stations from iTunes, or from a URL, or contact the developer to add a station if it doesn't show up in your search. If you find stations that you like, you can mark them as favorites. You're also supposed to be able to share your songs with Twitter and Facebook, though I haven't used these functions. The ability to also stream subscription radio is an additional feature. It's a very simple interface -- no library to manage, and just accessed from the menu bar. And it's all accessible with VoiceOver. The price at the Mac App store is $25, but if you go to the developer's site, or access it through the Macupdate site, you can download a 30-day free trial version of the program to check out. For more details, you can read a review about the app at MacStories from April: http://www.macstories.net/reviews/radium/ I'll excerpt bits of the review (snipped sections): begin quote Radium, A Fantastic Internet Radio Application Radium is one of those apps I fell instantly in love with. So much in fact, it’s gotten me interested in Internet radio again… Sitting in your menubar as an old portable radio, Radium is accessed with either a keyboard shortcut, or by a simple mouse click. I opt for a generous mouse click, which then displays a spotlight-esque menu of available stations. But what you see isn’t necessarily what you get, as there’s so much to be discovered. Typing in a station’s name, or a category like “Jazz” or “Alternative” will filter the results, where you can then use the arrow keys (then the enter key) to make your selection. Everything is incredibly fast and snappy… For station that you’ll fall in love with, you can star it as a favorite…It’s incredibly convenient to have a list of good stations in a single place, instead of scrolling back through previous lists.… Radium’s features go deeper than just your list of Radio stations though. In the preferences, you can establish a myriad of keyboard shortcuts for just about anything, as well as being able to open Radium at login (I suggest you do)…Lastly, I should talk about some advanced features. If you have an XM Radio account, Radium can use your credentials to stream XM Radio right to your desktop. Talk about awesome! For those who have the bandwidth available, you can also have Radium play you higher quality audio. end quote Cheers, Esther On Aug 28, 2011, at 20:47, william lomas wrote: oh ok so it only works with subscription based stations? On Aug 29, 2011, at 5:39 AM, Esther wrote: Hi Joe, The preferences menu of Radium has three tabs: General, Controls, and Subscriptions. If you want to access subscriptions, after bringing up the preferences menu either by using Command+comma, which is the general shortcut for accessing preferences in any application, or by navigating to the preferences menu button (VO-Right arrow or Right Flick, if you brought up access to the Radium menu through double tapping the Radium icon in the dock with Trackpad Commander in the dock, or by using the Shift-Command-E shortcut after you enabled it by checking the box in Controls pane of the Preferences menu during a previous session), then on the Subscriptions tab there is a message To listen to a subscription-only station with Radium, select the desired station and click Edit Subscription. Navigate to the table listing subscriptions and interact. Then, after you have chosen the subscription service you want to set up, such as Sirius XM radio, Sirius Internet Radio (Canada), X M Radio Online (Canada), Last.fm Autoscrobbler, or one of the other services, stop interacting with the table and navigate to the Edit Subscription button. Press the button (e.g. VO-Space, or double tap if you are using Trackpad Commander), then enter your E-mail and password into the text fields in the dialog window, then press the save button to record your subscription service information. You can explore the other Preference menu settings for options on how you want to configure the app. For example, you could choose to have it automatically tune in to the last-played channel, or to launch when you login to your account. Plus, there are other buttons and shortcuts for the equalizer menu (Command+E), or listening history (Command+I), as well as social networking options that I haven't tried at all. You can custom add other internet streams, and also request streams to be added. I've only played with the trial version. I'm really intrigued by the way they managed to
Re: On-Screen Content, let's all bug Apple!
Hi Gordon, This is something that the Infovox voices do, not Apple's. In fact, if you switch to a voice by Apple, Alex or others do not interpret this wrongly. I'm guessing in some places this is another way to format the dates, and VoiceOver does not always govern how information is interpreted particularly not by other synthesizers. Regards, Nic On Aug 29, 2011, at 9:30 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi all You know, this really is starting to bug me. I'm talking about the way Apple insists on changing what's written on the screen to dates and things that they think should be there. How on earth is this a valid date? I say we should start a campaign to have Apple stop mucking around with on-screen content and give us what's really there, not what they think should be there. I mean, what the hell do they mean by Version the first of february two thousand and twenty-eight, as in Esther's quite legitimate post?Come on Apple, this is totally pathetic. Gordon On 28 Aug 2011, at 23:47, Esther wrote: According to the Dropbox forums, the latest beta (released two days ago), is version 1.2.28, and the Mac version can be downloaded from: --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: A1016 Keyboard
Dear Gordon The keyboard I have does have a mum pad. Ergonomic keyboards were developed in response to the problems of people developing muscle injury and posture problems through the use of conventional keyboards. They are qwerty keyboards but in nearly all other aspects are completely different to normal keyboards. The first time I used an ergonomic keyboard it felt very strange indeed. Within a few days I was a complete convert though. The main differences are 1. The keys are arranged in a split layout. This is more natural and allows a typist to hold their hands out naturally apart in line with their shoulders and and reduce strain on posture. So on an ergonomic keyboard there will be an empty space in the middle of the keyboard. On my old keyboard this space is taken up with recessed special function keys which I never used. 2. The keyboards are contoured. This is to minimise the amount of of hand and finger movement . . 3 There is an inbuilt wrist support. What this all means is that an ergonomic keyboard is a very substantial and large piece of kit. I still want to source one for the Mac if I can. They are typically much more expensive than a standard keyboard. One I saw which was specifically designed for the Mac was over £400. Some PC ergonomic PC keyboards which are far cheaper claim to be Mac compatible . However a Google search revealed Mac users having problems with them. I may just have to take a punt and buy one and see how I go. Regards David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com On 29 Aug 2011, at 08:55, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi David I actually still have one of those keyboard here, but I can't replicate your problems with pairing. You describe the current keyboard as toy-line. Well, horses for courses I guess, but personally I really like them. The typing action is nice and bouncy, the travel rate is just about right and I find the low profile keys much much better than the old clunky things that we used to use on PC. Even things like the Cherry keyboard which I used to like, don't come close to the current Apple keyboard. Yes, it would be nice with a number pad. But one can't have everything. Forgive my ignorance, but I am not quite sure what you mean by an ergonomic keyboard? The standard keyboard layout has been used as long as I've been using keyboards, and that is since around 1966. Of course, in those days it was all clunky typewriters, but the keyboard's layout was exactly the same as it is today. Are these ergonomic keyboards something produced for the visually impaired, or are they main stream? I'm just curious as I haven't ever seen one. Gordon On 29 Aug 2011, at 00:59, David Griffith wrote: One of the unfortunate things for me with the new I-Mac was the small toy like keyboard. By friday night my left wrist was in agony and had to be strapped up with tubular bandages. My right wrist was also in bad shape. I had to do something urgently about this. After discussing this with the Apple store they said that many people found the now discontinued A1016 a better keyboard to use with the I-Mac. I found one of the first generation A1016 selling on Ebay for # £12 with £4 delivery. Whilst the A1016 is far from the ergonomic keyboard I am used to it is far superior for my needs than the supplied small keyboard. For this who do not know the A1016 it is a bluetooth keyboard. It takes 4 AA batteries I think. Pairing was not straightforward. I could not do it whilst the original keyboard was still plugged into the Mac. I had to get sighted help to paired the keyboard by using the Trackpad to navigate the pairing dialogues. Once paired the keyboard worked immediately and predictably. There are a few small differences between this keyboard and the newer versions. There is no FN key, instead in eht place where the FN key resides on the new keyboard is a help key on this older version. This keyboard is not dissimilar in dimensions to the newer models with one significant exception. It is at least 3 times thicker than the newer models. It is positively chunky by comparison. The keys therefore have a far greater travel and there is a good positive feedback from the springs . keys. The depth of the keys means the the different key groups on the are easy to feel by touch. Unfortunately the function keys and number row are again placed in an unbroken single row. I placed a few tactile bumps to help me navigate these rows quickly.. most importantly the keyboard is an appropriate height to allow he use of a wrist support whilst typing. The pain in my left wrist has been steadily reducing since yesterday. All in all I would recommend this keyboard to anybody who is getting RSI injury from using the new ultra thin Apple keyboards. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to
Re: More on verbosity of numbers
This is where I think JAWS excels over VO, JAWS has so many different ways it handles numbers and is very smart about it. It can be set to recognise phone numbers, and it can also read numbers out as pairs so they are spoken as words, such as 1 would be read out as nine teen etc. I was disappointed to see that number handling in VO had not been improved. Where VO does kick JAWS ass though is with title attribute in HTML. THis has proven to be a real headache for me with the default settings for JAWS. On 29 Aug 2011, at 08:46, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi all I think I need to qualify my last post a little. I'm talking about the way screen interpretation is changed. I have the VO Utility Verbosity Text speak numbers as setting set to words. However, I did this because I don't want to hear, for instance in the mailbox messages list, one seven messages, one six unread. I prefer to hear seventeen messages, sixteen unread. But the version numbers of programmes etc. is being taken way too literally, and it's being translated into something totally different. The version number in Esther's message, for instance, with the above VO setting set to words is spoken as Version the first of February two thousand and twenty-eight. I think we need some sort of half-way house here. There shouldn't only be one rule which covers everything. I need to think about this one a little, before approaching Apple with a solution. But I just hate everything being read as digits so I will keep that setting set to words and, for now, I guess I'll just have to tolerate it. Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Verbosity
Hi all Just taken a break from work because I wanted to post a response to Nic's message regarding verbosity of numbers. Nic, you're quite correct. I totally forgot about the iVlx pronunciation issue. I have to hold nmy hand up and say that I overlooked it totally, so I retract my earlier comments regarding the verbosity of number. Nobody is above making errors, and I certainly did that on this occasion. However, I find the Alex voice nauseating. He sounds as though he has his fingers stuck up his nose and it's interesting because I don't remember him sounding this bad in Snow Leopard. As I type I'm using the Alex voice. The inflection seems to have changed for some reason. However, I was wrong on the numbers issue, by virtue of the fact that I overlooked the iVox variable. Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Verbosity
Hi Gordon, I agree. He sounds a bit beefier in Lion than he did on Snow Leopard. in SL, I actually quite liked him, and I still do in 10.7, but he just sounds a lot rougher to me than he used to sound. As for numbers, Apple still tries to control this. An example is that if you have a certain amount of numbers, Apple will interpret them as bar codes. An engineer even said as much, and I find this kind of wrong to assume. Regards, Nic On Aug 29, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi all Just taken a break from work because I wanted to post a response to Nic's message regarding verbosity of numbers. Nic, you're quite correct. I totally forgot about the iVlx pronunciation issue. I have to hold nmy hand up and say that I overlooked it totally, so I retract my earlier comments regarding the verbosity of number. Nobody is above making errors, and I certainly did that on this occasion. However, I find the Alex voice nauseating. He sounds as though he has his fingers stuck up his nose and it's interesting because I don't remember him sounding this bad in Snow Leopard. As I type I'm using the Alex voice. The inflection seems to have changed for some reason. However, I was wrong on the numbers issue, by virtue of the fact that I overlooked the iVox variable. Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Verbosity
Hi Nic Last point first. I need to write to AssistieWare I thin, because this is a real issue that's causing confusion. Apple is definitely trying to put substitutions in there. To be fair there is a pronunciations editor But it doesn't let you change a lot of things really. Given that Apple has moved towards using third party voices, I wonder if they've given up the development of Alex. I find the voice nauseating now to be honest. I used to use it inSnow Leopard but in Lion I just couldn't tolerate him. I'd rather use Nuance Daniel, and that's saying something. Gordon On 29 Aug 2011, at 12:03, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: I agree. He sounds a bit beefier in Lion than he did on Snow Leopard. in SL, I actually quite liked him, and I still do in 10.7, but he just sounds a lot rougher to me than he used to sound. As for numbers, Apple still tries to control this. An example is that if you have a certain amount of numbers, Apple will interpret them as bar codes. An engineer even said as much, and I find this kind of wrong to assume. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Verbosity
Hi Gordon, Well, the real issue is that even the speech engines try to substitute on a lot of occasions, such as abbreviations, date formats, etc. VoiceOver does not have control over this, as which substitutions are being used depends entirely on the synthesizer that you use. I like abbreviations, if the speech gets them right if there are multiple instances of the same abbreviation which means something different, however, it'd be nice to actually be able to control which ones are used based on the speech engine that you use or even let VoiceOver control this aspect. Unfortunately, where Apple has actually done the most damage is when using letters like æ, ø and å where they have replaced the pronunciation in the original Vocalizer speech engine with the Apple translation from English straight to Danish, so that ø for example becomes o with slash if translated.. The actual engine does this correctly, but Apple for some reason seemed to want to change this, and telling them how it should be is an effort in futility. I used to love ALex, but in Lion I just can't get used to him. He doesn't pronounce things that different now, but it's just the gruff tone in his voice in general that I don't like. I find his speech more flowing, but even so, the gruff tone puts me off. A friend of mine described him as a kind preacher which kind of amused me but I found myself agreeing with that statement in the end. I will say that I wish we had a lot more control over how things are spoken. While we do have a Pronunciation Editor, it does not permit you to edit abbreviations for the voices and I suppose for a good reason. it would still be nice to switch it off, or even select which ones you'd want to use even if you were unable to edit. Regards, Nic On Aug 29, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Nic Last point first. I need to write to AssistieWare I thin, because this is a real issue that's causing confusion. Apple is definitely trying to put substitutions in there. To be fair there is a pronunciations editor But it doesn't let you change a lot of things really. Given that Apple has moved towards using third party voices, I wonder if they've given up the development of Alex. I find the voice nauseating now to be honest. I used to use it inSnow Leopard but in Lion I just couldn't tolerate him. I'd rather use Nuance Daniel, and that's saying something. Gordon On 29 Aug 2011, at 12:03, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: I agree. He sounds a bit beefier in Lion than he did on Snow Leopard. in SL, I actually quite liked him, and I still do in 10.7, but he just sounds a lot rougher to me than he used to sound. As for numbers, Apple still tries to control this. An example is that if you have a certain amount of numbers, Apple will interpret them as bar codes. An engineer even said as much, and I find this kind of wrong to assume. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Verbosity
Hi Nic You've basically said it all. But, of course, my error earlier was forgetting totally about the layer of control that Infovox presents. Infovox doesn't always make things too easy as they use fonems to string together sounds. I suppose that is reasonable in a way, as it allows you to customise things pretty accurately when you get used to how they goners work. Gordon On 29 Aug 2011, at 14:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Gordon, Well, the real issue is that even the speech engines try to substitute on a lot of occasions, such as abbreviations, date formats, etc. VoiceOver does not have control over this, as which substitutions are being used depends entirely on the synthesizer that you use. I like abbreviations, if the speech gets them right if there are multiple instances of the same abbreviation which means something different, however, it'd be nice to actually be able to control which ones are used based on the speech engine that you use or even let VoiceOver control this aspect. Unfortunately, where Apple has actually done the most damage is when using letters like æ, ø and å where they have replaced the pronunciation in the original Vocalizer speech engine with the Apple translation from English straight to Danish, so that ø for example becomes o with slash if translated.. The actual engine does this correctly, but Apple for some reason seemed to want to change this, and telling them how it should be is an effort in futility. I used to love ALex, but in Lion I just can't get used to him. He doesn't pronounce things that different now, but it's just the gruff tone in his voice in general that I don't like. I find his speech more flowing, but even so, the gruff tone puts me off. A friend of mine described him as a kind preacher which kind of amused me but I found myself agreeing with that statement in the end. I will say that I wish we had a lot more control over how things are spoken. While we do have a Pronunciation Editor, it does not permit you to edit abbreviations for the voices and I suppose for a good reason. it would still be nice to switch it off, or even select which ones you'd want to use even if you were unable to edit. Regards, Nic On Aug 29, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Nic Last point first. I need to write to AssistieWare I thin, because this is a real issue that's causing confusion. Apple is definitely trying to put substitutions in there. To be fair there is a pronunciations editor But it doesn't let you change a lot of things really. Given that Apple has moved towards using third party voices, I wonder if they've given up the development of Alex. I find the voice nauseating now to be honest. I used to use it inSnow Leopard but in Lion I just couldn't tolerate him. I'd rather use Nuance Daniel, and that's saying something. Gordon On 29 Aug 2011, at 12:03, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: I agree. He sounds a bit beefier in Lion than he did on Snow Leopard. in SL, I actually quite liked him, and I still do in 10.7, but he just sounds a lot rougher to me than he used to sound. As for numbers, Apple still tries to control this. An example is that if you have a certain amount of numbers, Apple will interpret them as bar codes. An engineer even said as much, and I find this kind of wrong to assume. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to
the Menu Bar
Hello, When an App refers to something being accessed from The Menu Bar what does it mean? I understand the Menu Bar for a specific application like Finder but the way the App instructions read it implies that there is a higher level Menu Bar which is not related to some specific application. One example of this is the old MoveAddict App which had options to store an icon in The Menu Bar but when using it on Snow Leopard I could never find this menu bar. I am experimenting with another App which refers to a Menu Bar but again I cannot find this Menu Bar usingn VoiceOver. Is there some higher level Menu Bar in Mac OS and if so can I access it using VoiceOver? Many thanks. Paul Hopewell --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
dropbox
hi all when i right click a file in my public folder id on't see a dropbox menu what's going on? why accessibility has still ven after all our requests not been implemented to make this an easier file sharing service to use, baffles me --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: the Menu Bar
you need the mouse to access these extra menus apple supposedly looking in to this for a year or so now On Aug 29, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: Hello, When an App refers to something being accessed from The Menu Bar what does it mean? I understand the Menu Bar for a specific application like Finder but the way the App instructions read it implies that there is a higher level Menu Bar which is not related to some specific application. One example of this is the old MoveAddict App which had options to store an icon in The Menu Bar but when using it on Snow Leopard I could never find this menu bar. I am experimenting with another App which refers to a Menu Bar but again I cannot find this Menu Bar usingn VoiceOver. Is there some higher level Menu Bar in Mac OS and if so can I access it using VoiceOver? Many thanks. Paul Hopewell --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Lion startup disk
I need to repair my hard disk and I do not have the Lion installer in my applications folder. I went to the app store, but can't download it because it's already installed. What can I do to get a boot DVD for Lion? Thanks. Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: the Menu Bar
Paul The menu bar is where your time machine, airport and so on reside. That's where apps put their icons. They aren't accessible because developers don't have Apple's internal API which make things accessible. Gordon On 29 Aug 2011, at 15:39, Paul Hopewell wrote: Hello, When an App refers to something being accessed from The Menu Bar what does it mean? I understand the Menu Bar for a specific application like Finder but the way the App instructions read it implies that there is a higher level Menu Bar which is not related to some specific application. One example of this is the old MoveAddict App which had options to store an icon in The Menu Bar but when using it on Snow Leopard I could never find this menu bar. I am experimenting with another App which refers to a Menu Bar but again I cannot find this Menu Bar usingn VoiceOver. Is there some higher level Menu Bar in Mac OS and if so can I access it using VoiceOver? Many thanks. Paul Hopewell --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: changing mail sounds?
I've tried to locate this folder and can't seem to find it. I'm using lion. Kliphton SR (twitterSkype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians On Aug 29, 2011, at 9:09 AM, John Panarese wrote: I use .wav as well. It's the user library's sound folder where they have to be placed. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net On Aug 29, 2011, at 1:37 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: I use wav or aif. I put then in the sound folder in library. I can't remember which library to put them in though. I just did it via the add thing in mail prefs so I really didn't pay attention lol! Sorry about that. On Aug 28, 2011, at 9:14 PM, KliphSharrie wrote: Someone told me how to do this before, but that was before I became firmilure with my iMac. I want to create different sounds for mail, and put them in the proper place to show up in my mail sounds selections. What format do I put them in, and what folder should they be placed in to show up in mail sounds? Thanks. Kliphton SR (twitterSkype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Verbosity
Hi Gordon, Well, Apple's voices do have a way to string sounds together as well, and you can actually play with the phonemes and if you have the patience, get some rather impressive results. However, you cannot save these as permanent pronunciations, so they are mainly used to customize a voice for specific uses for implementation within your OS X applications. Regards, Nic On Aug 29, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Nic You've basically said it all. But, of course, my error earlier was forgetting totally about the layer of control that Infovox presents. Infovox doesn't always make things too easy as they use fonems to string together sounds. I suppose that is reasonable in a way, as it allows you to customise things pretty accurately when you get used to how they goners work. Gordon On 29 Aug 2011, at 14:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Gordon, Well, the real issue is that even the speech engines try to substitute on a lot of occasions, such as abbreviations, date formats, etc. VoiceOver does not have control over this, as which substitutions are being used depends entirely on the synthesizer that you use. I like abbreviations, if the speech gets them right if there are multiple instances of the same abbreviation which means something different, however, it'd be nice to actually be able to control which ones are used based on the speech engine that you use or even let VoiceOver control this aspect. Unfortunately, where Apple has actually done the most damage is when using letters like æ, ø and å where they have replaced the pronunciation in the original Vocalizer speech engine with the Apple translation from English straight to Danish, so that ø for example becomes o with slash if translated.. The actual engine does this correctly, but Apple for some reason seemed to want to change this, and telling them how it should be is an effort in futility. I used to love ALex, but in Lion I just can't get used to him. He doesn't pronounce things that different now, but it's just the gruff tone in his voice in general that I don't like. I find his speech more flowing, but even so, the gruff tone puts me off. A friend of mine described him as a kind preacher which kind of amused me but I found myself agreeing with that statement in the end. I will say that I wish we had a lot more control over how things are spoken. While we do have a Pronunciation Editor, it does not permit you to edit abbreviations for the voices and I suppose for a good reason. it would still be nice to switch it off, or even select which ones you'd want to use even if you were unable to edit. Regards, Nic On Aug 29, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Nic Last point first. I need to write to AssistieWare I thin, because this is a real issue that's causing confusion. Apple is definitely trying to put substitutions in there. To be fair there is a pronunciations editor But it doesn't let you change a lot of things really. Given that Apple has moved towards using third party voices, I wonder if they've given up the development of Alex. I find the voice nauseating now to be honest. I used to use it inSnow Leopard but in Lion I just couldn't tolerate him. I'd rather use Nuance Daniel, and that's saying something. Gordon On 29 Aug 2011, at 12:03, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: I agree. He sounds a bit beefier in Lion than he did on Snow Leopard. in SL, I actually quite liked him, and I still do in 10.7, but he just sounds a lot rougher to me than he used to sound. As for numbers, Apple still tries to control this. An example is that if you have a certain amount of numbers, Apple will interpret them as bar codes. An engineer even said as much, and I find this kind of wrong to assume. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive:
Re: changing mail sounds?
Hi Clifton, By default, the Library folder is hidden. Presumably, this is to stop inexperienced users from screwing up their systems by accidentally deleting something. You can get it back though by doing the following: 1. Open Terminal, either by navigating to your /Applications/Utilities folder, typing Terminal in Spotlight, or via the Terminal icon on your Dock. 2. Type or copy and paste the following command into Terminal. This will show the Library folder: chflags nohidden ~/Library HTH TC :) james On 29 Aug 2011, at 17:58, KliphSharrie wrote: I've tried to locate this folder and can't seem to find it. I'm using lion. Kliphton SR (twitterSkype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians On Aug 29, 2011, at 9:09 AM, John Panarese wrote: I use .wav as well. It's the user library's sound folder where they have to be placed. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net On Aug 29, 2011, at 1:37 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: I use wav or aif. I put then in the sound folder in library. I can't remember which library to put them in though. I just did it via the add thing in mail prefs so I really didn't pay attention lol! Sorry about that. On Aug 28, 2011, at 9:14 PM, KliphSharrie wrote: Someone told me how to do this before, but that was before I became firmilure with my iMac. I want to create different sounds for mail, and put them in the proper place to show up in my mail sounds selections. What format do I put them in, and what folder should they be placed in to show up in mail sounds? Thanks. Kliphton SR (twitterSkype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---
iTunes not workin
When I try to open iTunes, it gives me a message that the program will not open due to a problem. The message is that it may have to be reinstalled. How do I reinstall it? Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Lion startup disk
Thanks for the assistance. I seem to have repaired my hard disk, but I'm skeptical. On Aug 29, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: Hi Kristeen, You can start the recovery partition by pressing command-r during power up. Wait a reasonable interval and press command-f5 to start voiceOver. At this point you can run disk utility or reinstall. When I tried this I was unable to get to the dialog where it was presumably prompting for information such as my wireless password and Apple userid. Thankfully I had created a Lion DVD, so that was no issue. You don't have that option, but one suggestion that Chris Moore offered that I didn't need to try should work. In Lion I often can't get to system dialogs via command-escape, but the Window chooser function does effectively work around that. Good luck -- restoring everything is a fun process. Geoff - Original Message - From: Kristeen Hughes To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:08 AM Subject: Lion startup disk I need to repair my hard disk and I do not have the Lion installer in my applications folder. I went to the app store, but can't download it because it's already installed. What can I do to get a boot DVD for Lion? Thanks. Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: More on verbosity of numbers
Hi GOrdon, While I see and respect where you're coming from, in fairness I've not found too many odd examples like the one you posted. I generally appreciate VO's interpretation of dates and similar, especially in Lion, as it seems to have markedly improved. I'm willing to put up with the occasional oddity for better support overall, I think. Granted, an option of some kind might be advisable, but I'm quite happy with the way things are now. Yours, Zack. On Aug 29, 2011, at 3:13 AM, Chris Moore wrote: This is where I think JAWS excels over VO, JAWS has so many different ways it handles numbers and is very smart about it. It can be set to recognise phone numbers, and it can also read numbers out as pairs so they are spoken as words, such as 1 would be read out as nine teen etc. I was disappointed to see that number handling in VO had not been improved. Where VO does kick JAWS ass though is with title attribute in HTML. THis has proven to be a real headache for me with the default settings for JAWS. On 29 Aug 2011, at 08:46, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi all I think I need to qualify my last post a little. I'm talking about the way screen interpretation is changed. I have the VO Utility Verbosity Text speak numbers as setting set to words. However, I did this because I don't want to hear, for instance in the mailbox messages list, one seven messages, one six unread. I prefer to hear seventeen messages, sixteen unread. But the version numbers of programmes etc. is being taken way too literally, and it's being translated into something totally different. The version number in Esther's message, for instance, with the above VO setting set to words is spoken as Version the first of February two thousand and twenty-eight. I think we need some sort of half-way house here. There shouldn't only be one rule which covers everything. I need to think about this one a little, before approaching Apple with a solution. But I just hate everything being read as digits so I will keep that setting set to words and, for now, I guess I'll just have to tolerate it. Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Technical list
David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com Could somebody post the subscription address for the list on which it is on topic to talk about boot camp issues etc. Thanks David Griffith --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
