iPhone won't play music

2012-03-26 Thread Tracy Thompson
Hello group

Since upgrading to an iPhone 4S running iOS 5.1, if we double tap (with 
VoiceOver enabled), or slide (without it) on the Music icon on the iPhone home 
screen, absolutely nothing happens. well not quite; the icon flashes briefly 
and then we're back to the home screen. Actually I think this happened on the 
3GS as well running the same OS. There is audio content on the iPhone and 
sometimes when a bluetooth headset connects to it music starts playing 
automatically. Any ideas what might be causing this irritating problem and how 
to fix it?

Thanks

Tracy

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Re: Music won't open

2012-03-26 Thread Tracy Thompson
Hello Sarah

Oopse; sorry I didn't realise Lynne had already asked that question. Thanks. :-o

Tracy

On 24 Mar 2012, at 19:18, chris hallsworth wrote:

Check if assisted touch is turned on and if so please turn it off. This can 
have major implications with VoiceOver, such as inability to activate items on 
the screen. Go to settings, general, accessibility, assisted touch.

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exchange and ios mail

2012-03-26 Thread Sarah Alawami
Ok. I set up a gmail account in ios mail using exchange and it works, except it 
will not push my mail to me in my notifications. I have the fetch set to 
manually. Can that have something to do with that?

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Re: Unable to Delete Things on My iPhone

2012-03-26 Thread Matthew Chao
Hi, Glenn and Sarah.  I really appreciate your help in solving my 
delete problem.


First, it's not the issue of deleting pictures and videos in Camera; 
once in Viewing (or something similar) the Delete button is in the 
lower right.  The problem is that when I'm in Photos, there are a lot 
of pictures that got copied theree from my computer that I want to 
delete.  For example, iTunes copied My Pictures folder from my PC to 
my phone, and I want to get rid of the folder and its pictures.  When 
I got into the folder, I hit Edit and Action and looked for any 
Delete button.  If it was there, VO didn't speak it.


Additionally, I have other folders within Photos that I want to 
delete.  In all cases, I can't get rid of them, after following the 
same above procedure.  Help!  grin.  This is driving me 
crazy.  After all, I want more room on my iPhone.  Thanks.


Matthew Chao

P.S.  Must be something simple, and I'm dancing around it.

At 11:42 PM 3/25/2012, you wrote:

Hi,
I'm getting in late on this thread, but have you tried syncing the phone
with iTunes, and deleting them from there?
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: Matthew Chao mattc...@verizon.net
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Unable to Delete Things on My iPhone


Hi, Again, Sarah.  If there's anyone else on list who can help, it'd
be greatly appreciated.  I followed all your suggestions, and VO
seems to have no Delete button, even after I tapped Action.  Any
other ideas?  Unwanted photos are taking up space on my
phone.  Thanks for any help or ideas.

Matthew Chao

At 03:40 PM 3/25/2012, you wrote:
Ok. go to photos and then action and then select the photos and hit del.

Good luck.
On Mar 25, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Matthew Chao wrote:

  Hi, Sarah.  Went into Photos from the main home page, not
 Camera.  Have lots of stuff copied there from one of my
 computers.  Would like to delete them, but when I hit Action,
 there's no delete button.  Please advise.
 
  Matthew Chao
 
  At 12:58 PM 3/25/2012, you wrote:
  go to the photo viewer and go to actions after selecting the
 ones you want gone then hit delete.  I hope that works.
  On Mar 25, 2012, at 6:57 AM, Matthew Chao wrote:
 
   Hi, Folks.  Since upgrading to iOS 5.1, I can't seem to delete
 videos or photos from my iPhone 4S.  When I go into Photos and the
 appropriate folder, I can't seem to delete them.  I use a tap and
 swipe.  What should I do?  Don't want to have to plug the phone
 into my Mac or PC to do this.  Thanks in advance for your help.
  
   Matthew Chao
  
  
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Re: Unable to Delete Things on My iPhone

2012-03-26 Thread Sarah Alawami
Oh you can't delete folders from the ap I don't' think. Your best bet is to 
uncheck synch pics and that should whipe everything then resync or just don't 
synch pics at all. I never do. I use Icloud and image capture to  copy my 
photos over.

Take care.
On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:12 AM, Matthew Chao wrote:

 Hi, Glenn and Sarah.  I really appreciate your help in solving my delete 
 problem.
 
 First, it's not the issue of deleting pictures and videos in Camera; once in 
 Viewing (or something similar) the Delete button is in the lower right.  The 
 problem is that when I'm in Photos, there are a lot of pictures that got 
 copied theree from my computer that I want to delete.  For example, iTunes 
 copied My Pictures folder from my PC to my phone, and I want to get rid of 
 the folder and its pictures.  When I got into the folder, I hit Edit and 
 Action and looked for any Delete button.  If it was there, VO didn't speak it.
 
 Additionally, I have other folders within Photos that I want to delete.  In 
 all cases, I can't get rid of them, after following the same above procedure. 
  Help!  grin.  This is driving me crazy.  After all, I want more room on my 
 iPhone.  Thanks.
 
 Matthew Chao
 
 P.S.  Must be something simple, and I'm dancing around it.
 
 At 11:42 PM 3/25/2012, you wrote:
 Hi,
 I'm getting in late on this thread, but have you tried syncing the phone
 with iTunes, and deleting them from there?
 Glenn
 - Original Message -
 From: Matthew Chao mattc...@verizon.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 8:40 PM
 Subject: Re: Unable to Delete Things on My iPhone
 
 
 Hi, Again, Sarah.  If there's anyone else on list who can help, it'd
 be greatly appreciated.  I followed all your suggestions, and VO
 seems to have no Delete button, even after I tapped Action.  Any
 other ideas?  Unwanted photos are taking up space on my
 phone.  Thanks for any help or ideas.
 
 Matthew Chao
 
 At 03:40 PM 3/25/2012, you wrote:
 Ok. go to photos and then action and then select the photos and hit del.
 
 Good luck.
 On Mar 25, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Matthew Chao wrote:
 
   Hi, Sarah.  Went into Photos from the main home page, not
  Camera.  Have lots of stuff copied there from one of my
  computers.  Would like to delete them, but when I hit Action,
  there's no delete button.  Please advise.
  
   Matthew Chao
  
   At 12:58 PM 3/25/2012, you wrote:
   go to the photo viewer and go to actions after selecting the
  ones you want gone then hit delete.  I hope that works.
   On Mar 25, 2012, at 6:57 AM, Matthew Chao wrote:
  
Hi, Folks.  Since upgrading to iOS 5.1, I can't seem to delete
  videos or photos from my iPhone 4S.  When I go into Photos and the
  appropriate folder, I can't seem to delete them.  I use a tap and
  swipe.  What should I do?  Don't want to have to plug the phone
  into my Mac or PC to do this.  Thanks in advance for your help.
   
Matthew Chao
   
   
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Re: Unable to Delete Things on My iPhone

2012-03-26 Thread Bryan Jones
Sounds like you're using iTunes to manage the syncing of photos between 
computer and phone. If that's the case, perhaps you need to tweak your photo 
settings in iTunes. Instructions can be found in iTunes Help and on Apple's 
support website, but the steps are essentially the same as for any other type 
of media file you are managing via iTunes: Attach your device, select the 
device in itunes, select the photos section, adjust your settings to taste, 
apply changes, sync.

HTH,
Bryan


On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Matthew Chao wrote:
 First, it's not the issue of deleting pictures and videos in Camera; once in 
 Viewing (or something similar) the Delete button is in the lower right.  The 
 problem is that when I'm in Photos, there are a lot of pictures that got 
 copied theree from my computer that I want to delete.  For example, iTunes 
 copied My Pictures folder from my PC to my phone, and I want to get rid of 
 the folder and its pictures.  When I got into the folder, I hit Edit and 
 Action and looked for any Delete button.  If it was there, VO didn't speak it.
 
 Additionally, I have other folders within Photos that I want to delete.  In 
 all cases, I can't get rid of them, after following the same above procedure. 
  Help!  grin.  This is driving me crazy.  After all, I want more room on my 
 iPhone.  Thanks.

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Re: exchange and ios mail

2012-03-26 Thread Geoff Waaler

Hi Sarah,

I didn't set up an account just now, but seem to recall that the manual 
setting does indeed preclude push.  I assume you specified m.google.com as 
your exchange server?  Under settings - mail, contacts, calendars - 
YourAccountName do you see a heading labeled exchange?  If so, the second to 
last control should be a button labeled: mail folders to push.  This may 
not be visible when it's set to manual?


HTH.
Geoff


- Original Message - 
From: Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com

To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 3:21 AM
Subject: exchange and ios mail


Ok. I set up a gmail account in ios mail using exchange and it works, 
except it will not push my mail to me in my notifications. I have the 
fetch set to manually. Can that have something to do with that?


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awareness app

2012-03-26 Thread michael weaver

what would be the recommended settings for the awareness app?
i have just downloaded it to my i-phone but some of the options 
inside the app are not clear what they are.

hope someone can give me some advice on this app.
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Re: exchange and ios mail

2012-03-26 Thread chris hallsworth
Yes. If set to manually it won't either push to your phone nor will it 
fetch on a schedule.


On 26/03/2012 08:21, Sarah Alawami wrote:

Ok. I set up a gmail account in ios mail using exchange and it works, except it 
will not push my mail to me in my notifications. I have the fetch set to 
manually. Can that have something to do with that?

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Re: opening files recognized by read iris in pages

2012-03-26 Thread Anne Robertson
Pages is not the app for reading PDF, you need to open them with Preview.

I'm curious as to why you create PDFs in the first place. It's the worst format 
for reading on the Mac.

Also, why ReadIris? ABBYY FineReader is a much better OCR program.

Cheers,

Anne


On 26 Mar 2012, at 18:40, Timothy J. Meloy wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 I use read iris to recognize pdf files and then have the recognized rtf files 
 opened in Pages.  I was doing that on a document this morning, and I got a 
 message saying pages could not open the document.  I've tried rebooting my 
 machine and repeating thesave and recognize procedure from within read iris 
 multiple times.  I even closed all my open documents in pages.  None of these 
 steps have corrected the problem.  Any thoughts?
 Thanks,
 T.J.
 
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Re: exchange and ios mail

2012-03-26 Thread Sarah Alawami
I have mine set to an hour. but if I have an exchange account and I do this 
what's the point? I thought exchange was suposed to push it to your device 
right when you got th emessage. I also have it set to inbox. YOu can see  this 
if you set it to manual fetch as well.

On Mar 26, 2012, at 8:54, chris hallsworth chris.hallswo...@techno-chat.net 
wrote:

 Yes. If set to manually it won't either push to your phone nor will it fetch 
 on a schedule.
 
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 Ok. I set up a gmail account in ios mail using exchange and it works, except 
 it will not push my mail to me in my notifications. I have the fetch set to 
 manually. Can that have something to do with that?
 
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someone please do me a favour?

2012-03-26 Thread william lomas
hi to all, can someone please download the natwest app on to 
thei rphone and tell me what details ia hve to enter for setup?
i using android now and i can't reset the app on the ipod touch i now have 
after i used it to check something to see how to reconfigure it

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Re: Awareness app free today

2012-03-26 Thread krystal watson
thanks guys i just got the app for free smiles cheers will be handy smiles 
On 26/03/2012, at 10:03 AM, Glenn wrote:

 Yeh, Thanks Eric, I just nabbed it because of your post.
 Glenn
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:13 PM
 Subject: Re: Awareness app free today
 
 
 Yeah I love that app and have used it to listen to what's around me in the 
 car and respond. I'm going to try hooking my phone up to my board and using 
 awareness with my olympus to do reviews lol! It might work.
 
 Take care.
 Sarah Alawami, owner and founder of WICS Radio America. Check us out on the 
 web at http://wics.cc and thanks for tuning in.
 
 On Mar 25, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Eric Caron wrote:
 
 Hello Listers,
 
 I just reviewed the free apps today on appsgonefree, a handy free iOS app. 
 I noticed that Awareness is free today, at least in the US app store. 
 this is a app that received lots of attention in the past.  It allows 
 outside sounds to come through while listening on headphones.  Very 
 convenient I expect in some situations.  Normally it is about $8.00, US .
 I believe there was a review on the candelshore podcast some time ago. 
 This is the podcast done by Mark Taylor.
 
 Also, many people spoke to it being helpful but sent out reminders that it 
 does not replace listening without the headphones.  The sounds come 
 through but you will not have the normal cues for distance and direction 
 so you may hear a truck coming toward you while listening to music but not 
 know what direction to move.  So please use safely.
 
 Eric Caron
 
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skype and video calls

2012-03-26 Thread michael weaver
how do i change from a call to a video call with skype on the 
mac?
i know that pressing vo plus space calls a contact but how do i 
choose between standard and video call if a call goes straight 
through when i press the vo and space?

i only need to do video calls with trusted friends and family.
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Re: Advice on my message rule for this list

2012-03-26 Thread Thomas McMahan
I have mine going into local boxes actually.  Otherwise the gmail server is 
more likely to fill up it's just sub decided thats all, so they go into local 
boxes created in the on my Mac category.  Then anything important I save also 
as a document.  Have a fold for mails such as that and added it to sidebar, so 
can just choose that in the pop up menu during the save as process.  Glad Apple 
mail has improved that over the years  

And yes my gmail is set up as imap seems to be a little smoother that way since 
last summer.  Before that I had it as pop 3.  
On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:58 PM, matthew Dyer wrote:

 Hi,  Are you using imap?  if so, are you having messages moved to a local 
 mail box or what?  I never liked gmails way of filtering things.  For 
 example, If I created a label for mac access and had a filter to move all 
 messages from this list and  the messages would would show up  under the main 
 mail box and I feel that if they are ladled then they should only show up if 
 you activate the label.  I hope I am making sense.
 
 
 Matthew
 
 
 On Mar 25, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Thomas McMahan wrote:
 
 
 On Mar 25, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Daniel McGee wrote:
 
 Hello Thomas, thanks for your wonderful description I have understood it 
 better this time. If it continues the same with you having said the rule 
 was to not apply, then rebooting it, then yes I would think there is 
 something buggy in mail.  I had a problem with Safari in our Tiger machine, 
 it wouldn't upgrade itself, wound up just doing a clean re-install, and it 
 was fine after that.  Guess it was time for me to have done that anyway 
 because we had had the machine for 5 years so there was a lot of junk init.
 
 Just let me know how it works, I find that some of the Mac Visionaries 
 people's mail still come into main mail box because they send to list and to 
 the individuals of the list they have in their address books.  But haven't 
 set aside a box for Mac Access group, or created a rule for it to go into 
 the general Mac box yet.
 
 I am hoping though that they rule will now start doing it's actual purpose 
 instead of shunting everything into your bulk mail folder.  If it doesn't 
 then you are going to have to talk with Apple or do a re-install.  Would 
 talk to Apple first though if you haven't already done that.  But first 
 we'll hope it sticks this time.  Now when you go to Rules again after 
 rebooting mail you can interact into the table and you should see the new 
 rule active at tis point.  If it isn't then just check it so that it is, but 
 mine has always automatically activated the rules upon restarting mail.  I 
 still have to move all the previous messages, but once you have moved it to 
 the mailbox you want from the bulk mail, then each time you find a message 
 to go there just do command option t and it will move again.  then you can 
 just sit in the messages table and scroll up and down.  Actually if you have 
 a bunch of list mail in a row after moving one to the new box, just hold the 
 shift key down an
 d
  a
 rrow down and it will highlight each one then when you get to the last of 
 the group to be moved then command option t.  
 I have decided to start from scratch by deleting everything rule mailbox 
 etc. I have created it again but have told it to don't apply message rule 
 to the given box. Fingers crossed in hoping it will work. 
 When you say something buggy, do you mean with my system or with mail its 
 self. I thought I red somewhere that one can delete a preference file with 
 an extension of .con or something like. I was just wondering Would this 
 have anything to do with it. Just another idea. I don't know where the mail 
 preference file is located but I won't touch anything unless someone 
 advises the idea. 
 
 Thanks again
 
 Daniel  fence   
 On 25 Mar 2012, at 00:19, Thomas McMahan wrote:
 
 I think I answered this before, but when you set up the rule did you tell 
 it to apply?  Because if you did you told it to apply to your current open 
 mail boxes.  Tell it not to apply initially, say no.  Then close mail and 
 re open it and then see if it does what it is doing now, or does what it's 
 supposed to do.  It has been a peculiarity of Apple mail for years that if 
 you say yes in the dialog in applying the rule when setting it up, or just 
 after setting it up it does all sorts of strange stuff.  Have had it 
 happen to me before that all new mail regardless was going to the box of 
 the new rule instead of my in-box because I said bess.  But chances are if 
 you say no then close mail and restart then any mail designated to rule 
 procedure will from that point on go to the place where you want it to go, 
 however, sometimes you will get mail from individual members that might 
 still show up in your main box.  The rule by default is being applied when 
 you start mail but it's no
 t
 
 s
 ea
 rching and moving stuff that you already have gotten only what is coming 
 in.  Think you are 

Further notes on iPod Touch 4th Generation Internal Speaker

2012-03-26 Thread Dane Trethowan
Hi!

Further to my notes regarding the internal speaker of the iPod Touch 4th 
Generation, the current generation of iPod Touch and possibly the last.

I had a chance to hear what my old iPhone 3GS sounded like and the iPod Touch 
doesn't sound all that different where its internal speaker is concerned so 
perhaps this gives list members a better idea of what the internal speaker of 
the Touch sounds like.

Audio is clear enough to be understood when it comes to Voiceover and music - 
if you're really desperate to hear it - smile and again its an astonishing 
feat in my view that Apple managed to get such a good sound out of an 
incredibly tiny speaker, I think its even smaller than that of the iPhone 3GS.

Of course, the speaker of my current iPhone 4 sounds far better and I'm told 
that the speaker of the iPhone 4S sounds better gain! I'll know in less than 6 
months smile.


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Maclegion_2011_Winter_bundle question

2012-03-26 Thread Jim Noseworthy
Hi Folks:

Some time ago, I ordered the Maclegion_2011_winter_bundle and I received the 
files as well as a PayPal receipt for the purchase; but for the life of me, I 
can't find the serial numbers.  Does anyone know how I might retrieve those 
serial numbers?  As I say, I have a PayPal receipt for the purchase.

Thanks all over the place.


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RE: opening files recognized by read iris in pages

2012-03-26 Thread Timothy J. Meloy
The document I was reading was sent to me as a scanned image PDF.  On my
current set up, Vue Scan scans as a PDF and then read iris does the OCR and
recognition, saving the OCRED document as an RTF, which I can open in pages.
I looked at Abby Fine Reader, but I read that you can only scan one page at
a time and couldn't do multiple page documents.
T.J.

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 1:07 PM
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: opening files recognized by read iris in pages

Pages is not the app for reading PDF, you need to open them with Preview.

I'm curious as to why you create PDFs in the first place. It's the worst
format for reading on the Mac.

Also, why ReadIris? ABBYY FineReader is a much better OCR program.

Cheers,

Anne


On 26 Mar 2012, at 18:40, Timothy J. Meloy wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 I use read iris to recognize pdf files and then have the recognized rtf
files opened in Pages.  I was doing that on a document this morning, and I
got a message saying pages could not open the document.  I've tried
rebooting my machine and repeating thesave and recognize procedure from
within read iris multiple times.  I even closed all my open documents in
pages.  None of these steps have corrected the problem.  Any thoughts?
 Thanks,
 T.J.
 
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Re: Advice on my message rule for this list

2012-03-26 Thread Maria From Australia
   Hi.  I think if you check skip in box the messages won't go in to the in box 
but in the folder you filter them too.  I like to filter my messages using 
gmail so that if i'm away or my computer isn't running for a few days my 
messages still get filtered.  that's just me though.  



Maria and my guide Karly  email bubbygirl1...@gmail.com


Sent from my iPhone

On 27/03/2012, at 5:58 AM, matthew Dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,  Are you using imap?  if so, are you having messages moved to a local 
 mail box or what?  I never liked gmails way of filtering things.  For 
 example, If I created a lable for mac access and had a filter to move all 
 messages from this list and  the messages would would show up  under the main 
 mail box and I feel that if they are labled then they should only show up if 
 you activate the lable.  I hope I am making sense.
 
 
 Matthew
 
 
 On Mar 25, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Thomas McMahan wrote:
 
 
 On Mar 25, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Daniel McGee wrote:
 
 Hello Thomas, thanks for your wonderful description I have understood it 
 better this time. If it continues the same with you having said the rule 
 was to not apply, then rebooting it, then yes I would think there is 
 something buggy in mail.  I had a problem with Safari in our Tiger machine, 
 it wouldn't upgrade itself, wound up just doing a clean re-install, and it 
 was fine after that.  Guess it was time for me to have done that anyway 
 because we had had the machine for 5 years so there was a lot of junk init.
 
 Just let me know how it works, I find that some of the Mac Visionaries 
 people's mail still come into main mail box because they send to list and to 
 the individuals of the list they have in their address books.  But haven't 
 set aside a box for Mac Access group, or created a rule for it to go into 
 the general Mac box yet.
 
 I am hoping though that they rule will now start doing it's actual purpose 
 instead of shunting everything into your bulk mail folder.  If it doesn't 
 then you are going to have to talk with Apple or do a re-install.  Would 
 talk to Apple first though if you haven't already done that.  But first 
 we'll hope it sticks this time.  Now when you go to Rules again after 
 rebooting mail you can interact into the table and you should see the new 
 rule active at tis point.  If it isn't then just check it so that it is, but 
 mine has always automatically activated the rules upon restarting mail.  I 
 still have to move all the previous messages, but once you have moved it to 
 the mailbox you want from the bulk mail, then each time you find a message 
 to go there just do command option t and it will move again.  then you can 
 just sit in the messages table and scroll up and down.  Actually if you have 
 a bunch of list mail in a row after moving one to the new box, just hold the 
 shift key down an
 d
  a
 rrow down and it will highlight each one then when you get to the last of 
 the group to be moved then command option t.  
 I have decided to start from scratch by deleting everything rule mailbox 
 etc. I have created it again but have told it to don't apply message rule 
 to the given box. Fingers crossed in hoping it will work. 
 When you say something buggy, do you mean with my system or with mail its 
 self. I thought I red somewhere that one can delete a preference file with 
 an extension of .con or something like. I was just wondering Would this 
 have anything to do with it. Just another idea. I don't know where the mail 
 preference file is located but I won't touch anything unless someone 
 advises the idea. 
 
 Thanks again
 
 Daniel  fence   
 On 25 Mar 2012, at 00:19, Thomas McMahan wrote:
 
 I think I answered this before, but when you set up the rule did you tell 
 it to apply?  Because if you did you told it to apply to your current open 
 mail boxes.  Tell it not to apply initially, say no.  Then close mail and 
 re open it and then see if it does what it is doing now, or does what it's 
 supposed to do.  It has been a peculiarity of Apple mail for years that if 
 you say yes in the dialog in applying the rule when setting it up, or just 
 after setting it up it does all sorts of strange stuff.  Have had it 
 happen to me before that all new mail regardless was going to the box of 
 the new rule instead of my in-box because I said bess.  But chances are if 
 you say no then close mail and restart then any mail designated to rule 
 procedure will from that point on go to the place where you want it to go, 
 however, sometimes you will get mail from individual members that might 
 still show up in your main box.  The rule by default is being applied when 
 you start mail but it's no
 t
 
 s
 ea
 rching and moving stuff that you already have gotten only what is coming 
 in.  Think you are fortunate that it's moving the groups messages to bulk 
 mail, and not everything into the box that you have the group's mail going 
 to.  
 
 So find the rule and edit,