only few aps on a page?

[william lomas]

hi all i have now had a clean out of all my itunes aps but when 
i sync to the ipad, page 4 may have 3 aps page 3 may have six or seven on it i 
thought each page  would hold more given the screen size of an iPad?
Willl

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Re: downloading books from BARDS with the Mac

[Sarah Alawami]

Yep tha'ts how I do it. the card must have the books' folders int eh root. 
that's what makes it simple. lol!

Take care all.
On May 14, 2012, at 7:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

> My understanding of the NLS reader is that the folder must be in the root of 
> the flash drive. The easiest way for me is to use the unarchiveing utility to 
> unpack the zip file. Then you can copy the folder created to the USB device 
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
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>> Hello,
>> I was wondering if anyone has downloaded books from Bards with the mack? I 
>> can do it if I am putting the books on a SD card but if I want to put them 
>> on a Thumb drive to play on the NLS player I have problems with setting up 
>> the folders.  After I download the book and want to copy it to the Thumb 
>> drive I tried to create the folder.  and name it so I can copy the book in 
>> its own folder. how do I do this? Thanks in advance.
>> I am using an I Mac running Snow Leperd. 
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Re: Mud Client; please excuse my ignorance!

[Thomas McMahan]

So as they say, you all are computer poor huh?  That's a few machines to 
maintain then since people are dependent on them running, and folks can really 
get cranked in a bad why when server systems go down.  

We have 4 machines here, two are Macs one is the old Tiger machine we primarily 
use the new i-mac here, my wife can see it a little better although the 
computer usually doesn't interest her much anymore, perhaps when she recovers 
more of her mind and memory she will get back into it again, and as a game 
player she would put me to shame *lol*.  Only she plays ones that aren't 
accessible for me.

The other two are a windows laptop that is still usable, and an old windows 
towner that will become a component of a server farm or a firewall one day, 
don't think it's strong enough to upgrade anymore not without major replacement 
of stuff.

The tiger machine officially belongs to my wife now, she always told me before 
she got sick in 2009 that when we got new machine she wanted the tiger machine 
as her's in total, so she gets that wish because she knows she can use this one 
too since it's our's, but I still left my profile in that machine too so can 
use it if she's on this one which some day will start happening more again I'm 
sure.

Good luck to you guys on the current updating and revamping of the system.  
On May 14, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Thomas
> 
> There are currently 7 Mac Minis running various versions of OS X Server in 
> this building. Only 3 of them face the outside world. But their maintenance 
> and tweaking takes up a lot of Gordon's time. There is also one Mac Pro which 
> belongs to a commercial entity for whom we provide services related to their 
> network. That machine has 8 cores of processor power and 32GB of RAM. Yes, I 
> know; but we didn't pay for it. ;)
> 
> Gordon has the responsibility, helped to a degree by me, of keeping things 
> running smoothly and because Mac OS X is just so down right stable, it's a 
> pleasure rather than a bind to maintain them. He is hoping to overhaul our 
> own servers shortly which is going to create a lot of work in the short term. 
> But all things being equal, we should all get the benefit out of that; and I 
> include our various groups members in that statement.
> 
> I don't think it's likely in the foreseeable future that either of us will 
> develop an interest in playing computer games of any description. It's just 
> not something we're into. But as you rightly say there's nothing at all wrong 
> with those people who are into that side of things enjoying themselves with 
> them. So I wish you all as much fun as you can get out of your computers.
> 
> To us though, they are serious tools; with the exception of music, books and 
> movies.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> On 15 May 2012, at 03:12, Thomas McMahan  wrote:
> 
> Well when work is like play, then it isn't work then, it's just having fun 
> making money as a benefit right?
> 
> I have played with android, don't know if I ever will, but I will qualify it 
> with never saying never because I don't want to jinx myself *lol*.
> 
> WEll of course Mac is king because the fundamental is good, but there are 
> enough serious users to help it along in development, thus again different 
> rooms leading to making a better game.  In this case of course a better 
> system overall.
> 
> But of course any time you guys think you want to mud I have a feeling there 
> are several on the list who would love to help you get started in their 
> various games that they like to play.
> 
> This mudder client has a large default list already inside it which is nice 
> saves the user from having to get the link information.  Have seen a couple 
> of clients though that had just a comparative hand full of servers listed.  
> So this particular developer did his homework in that matter.
> 
> On May 14, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi Thomas
>> 
>> I wish we'd been in a position to play recently, LOL. I won't go into detail 
>> but we do seem to do more work than play, that's true. Anyway to stay on 
>> topic; Gordon is saying that to him, his work is play and visa versa. But 
>> yes; we do love listening to music on our Mac, the odd audio book and the 
>> odd movie or two each week.
>> 
>> That's where the Mac is so versatile. Those who love gaming have excellent 
>> graphics, processing power, stability and lots more. Those who love work 
>> likewise. Those who love entertainment media again have great flexibility. 
>> We use Windows for two tasks only these days and not inside of a VM. We gave 
>> up on virtualisation early last year and I now maintain it only for testing.
>> 
>> The Mac is king of the computer world; and iOS is king of mobile 
>> communications and entertainment, in my humble opinion. I'm well aware that 
>> there is now some competition to the mobile platforms, and each to their 
>> own. But having tried Android a couple of

Re: Mud Client; please excuse my ignorance!

[Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith]

Hello Thomas

There are currently 7 Mac Minis running various versions of OS X Server in this 
building. Only 3 of them face the outside world. But their maintenance and 
tweaking takes up a lot of Gordon's time. There is also one Mac Pro which 
belongs to a commercial entity for whom we provide services related to their 
network. That machine has 8 cores of processor power and 32GB of RAM. Yes, I 
know; but we didn't pay for it. ;)

Gordon has the responsibility, helped to a degree by me, of keeping things 
running smoothly and because Mac OS X is just so down right stable, it's a 
pleasure rather than a bind to maintain them. He is hoping to overhaul our own 
servers shortly which is going to create a lot of work in the short term. But 
all things being equal, we should all get the benefit out of that; and I 
include our various groups members in that statement.

I don't think it's likely in the foreseeable future that either of us will 
develop an interest in playing computer games of any description. It's just not 
something we're into. But as you rightly say there's nothing at all wrong with 
those people who are into that side of things enjoying themselves with them. So 
I wish you all as much fun as you can get out of your computers.

To us though, they are serious tools; with the exception of music, books and 
movies.

Lynne

On 15 May 2012, at 03:12, Thomas McMahan  wrote:

Well when work is like play, then it isn't work then, it's just having fun 
making money as a benefit right?

I have played with android, don't know if I ever will, but I will qualify it 
with never saying never because I don't want to jinx myself *lol*.

WEll of course Mac is king because the fundamental is good, but there are 
enough serious users to help it along in development, thus again different 
rooms leading to making a better game.  In this case of course a better system 
overall.

But of course any time you guys think you want to mud I have a feeling there 
are several on the list who would love to help you get started in their various 
games that they like to play.

This mudder client has a large default list already inside it which is nice 
saves the user from having to get the link information.  Have seen a couple of 
clients though that had just a comparative hand full of servers listed.  So 
this particular developer did his homework in that matter.

On May 14, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hi Thomas
> 
> I wish we'd been in a position to play recently, LOL. I won't go into detail 
> but we do seem to do more work than play, that's true. Anyway to stay on 
> topic; Gordon is saying that to him, his work is play and visa versa. But 
> yes; we do love listening to music on our Mac, the odd audio book and the odd 
> movie or two each week.
> 
> That's where the Mac is so versatile. Those who love gaming have excellent 
> graphics, processing power, stability and lots more. Those who love work 
> likewise. Those who love entertainment media again have great flexibility. We 
> use Windows for two tasks only these days and not inside of a VM. We gave up 
> on virtualisation early last year and I now maintain it only for testing.
> 
> The Mac is king of the computer world; and iOS is king of mobile 
> communications and entertainment, in my humble opinion. I'm well aware that 
> there is now some competition to the mobile platforms, and each to their own. 
> But having tried Android a couple of times I reckon we'll be sticking with 
> Apple for some considerable time to come.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> On 14 May 2012, at 18:34, Thomas McMahan  wrote:
> 
> So you do some of the same playing as I do then.  Love this Mac for tinkering 
> with audio, and of course for listening in general  
> 
> Glad to know you guys aren't all work and no play, that was starting to worry 
> me a little *lol*.  
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Re: downloading books from BARDS with the Mac

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My understanding of the NLS reader is that the folder must be in the root of 
the flash drive. The easiest way for me is to use the unarchiveing utility to 
unpack the zip file. Then you can copy the folder created to the USB device 

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> I was wondering if anyone has downloaded books from Bards with the mack? I 
> can do it if I am putting the books on a SD card but if I want to put them on 
> a Thumb drive to play on the NLS player I have problems with setting up the 
> folders.  After I download the book and want to copy it to the Thumb drive I 
> tried to create the folder.  and name it so I can copy the book in its own 
> folder. how do I do this? Thanks in advance.
> I am using an I Mac running Snow Leperd. 
> 
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Re: service battery

[Sarah Alawami]

Not vary. I went for about 6 months with out problems. the only reason I took 
it in was because my keyboard died 2 days after school started lol! YOu should 
be fine.
On May 14, 2012, at 6:42 PM, Timothy J. Meloy wrote:

> Darn. Won't be able to get to an apple store until my next visit to see my 
> family. How serious of a problem is this?
> 
> On May 14, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> 
>> I would say the same thing. My battery had to be serviced a year and an half 
>> after I got it. so let s hope this time i can make it last a bit longer. lol!
>> 
>> Take care.
>> On May 14, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> I'd think it means you should consider taking the machine in to an Apple 
>>> store at some point soon, where heads wiser than mine will be able to tell 
>>> you what it means. :) More seriously, current MBP batteries aren't designed 
>>> to be serviced or replaced except by qualified people, so the store would 
>>> be your best bet.
>>> Yours,
>>> Zack.
>>> On May 14, 2012, at 12:54 PM, "Timothy J. Meloy"  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi everyone,
 I am doing some work on my mac book pro and I just checked my status bar 
 to see how much battery was left.  I'm showing 24 percent remaining.  Then 
 when I arrow down to the menu, the first item I see says "service 
 battery."  The rest of the menu has the same options as it always has.  
 What does "service battery" mean?  Any insight you could provide would be 
 much appreciated.
 Thanks,
 T.J.
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Re: New Take Control Book Available now!

[Travis Siegel]

I'll add (for the record) that I also do not charge anything more  
than the books cost to purchase from the web site.  This puts a crimp  
in my own funds each time, because of paypal's policy of hogging it's  
percentage, but everyone needs to make money somehow, so I don't  
begrudge them their profit, nor do I pass this on to the purchasers,  
since the whole point of working out the deal in the first place was  
to help folks who could use the resource.  So, anyone is welcome to  
purchase directly from support at mac-access.net, or myself  
(tsie...@softcon.com) and you will get the same books at the same  
prices.  With the added caveat that if you purchase through me, I do  
not have the facilities to offer the downloadable bookshelf that  
Gordon and Lynne maintain, so you will need to contact them to get  
that setup after the transaction is complete.


So, thee you have it, hope it helps.

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Re: Mud Client; please excuse my ignorance!

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Well when work is like play, then it isn't work then, it's just having fun 
making money as a benefit right?

I have played with android, don't know if I ever will, but I will qualify it 
with never saying never because I don't want to jinx myself *lol*.

WEll of course Mac is king because the fundamental is good, but there are 
enough serious users to help it along in development, thus again different 
rooms leading to making a better game.  In this case of course a better system 
overall.

But of course any time you guys think you want to mud I have a feeling there 
are several on the list who would love to help you get started in their various 
games that they like to play.

This mudder client has a large default list already inside it which is nice 
saves the user from having to get the link information.  Have seen a couple of 
clients though that had just a comparative hand full of servers listed.  So 
this particular developer did his homework in that matter.

On May 14, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hi Thomas
> 
> I wish we'd been in a position to play recently, LOL. I won't go into detail 
> but we do seem to do more work than play, that's true. Anyway to stay on 
> topic; Gordon is saying that to him, his work is play and visa versa. But 
> yes; we do love listening to music on our Mac, the odd audio book and the odd 
> movie or two each week.
> 
> That's where the Mac is so versatile. Those who love gaming have excellent 
> graphics, processing power, stability and lots more. Those who love work 
> likewise. Those who love entertainment media again have great flexibility. We 
> use Windows for two tasks only these days and not inside of a VM. We gave up 
> on virtualisation early last year and I now maintain it only for testing.
> 
> The Mac is king of the computer world; and iOS is king of mobile 
> communications and entertainment, in my humble opinion. I'm well aware that 
> there is now some competition to the mobile platforms, and each to their own. 
> But having tried Android a couple of times I reckon we'll be sticking with 
> Apple for some considerable time to come.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> On 14 May 2012, at 18:34, Thomas McMahan  wrote:
> 
> So you do some of the same playing as I do then.  Love this Mac for tinkering 
> with audio, and of course for listening in general  
> 
> Glad to know you guys aren't all work and no play, that was starting to worry 
> me a little *lol*.  
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Re: service battery

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Darn. Won't be able to get to an apple store until my next visit to see my 
family. How serious of a problem is this?

On May 14, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

> I would say the same thing. My battery had to be serviced a year and an half 
> after I got it. so let s hope this time i can make it last a bit longer. lol!
> 
> Take care.
> On May 14, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> I'd think it means you should consider taking the machine in to an Apple 
>> store at some point soon, where heads wiser than mine will be able to tell 
>> you what it means. :) More seriously, current MBP batteries aren't designed 
>> to be serviced or replaced except by qualified people, so the store would be 
>> your best bet.
>> Yours,
>> Zack.
>> On May 14, 2012, at 12:54 PM, "Timothy J. Meloy"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> I am doing some work on my mac book pro and I just checked my status bar to 
>>> see how much battery was left.  I'm showing 24 percent remaining.  Then 
>>> when I arrow down to the menu, the first item I see says "service battery." 
>>>  The rest of the menu has the same options as it always has.  What does 
>>> "service battery" mean?  Any insight you could provide would be much 
>>> appreciated.
>>> Thanks,
>>> T.J.
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Re: Moving from Victor reader Stream to IPod.

[Travis Siegel]

I see they've not changed anything since I contacted them a year or  
two ago about the same thing. I'd purchased a victor reader stream  
for 50 bucks from a local store that happened to have it on the shelf  
(they didn't know what it was) It didn't work, so I called, and was  
told the same thing, since it's more than 2 versions old, they  
couldn't fix it, but could sell me a new one for the aforementioned  
$175. Needless to say, I declined the offer, and had fun taking it  
apart to see what was wrong with it.  Must have been a circuit board,  
because I couldn't find anything at all broken on it. .
And, this is precisely why I refuse to purchase adaptive equipment at  
the vastly inflated prices it's sold for, because when it breaks,  
you're at the mercy of the company that made the silly thing, and  
they often refuse to fix it.
So, I say, commercial products where possible, and Apple has done the  
blind//vi market a tremendous favor making their products accessible,  
because it means we can now use the same devices our sighted  
acquaintenances use, and for no additional cost.
And, apple doesn't usually tell you they won't fix something because  
it's more than 2 models out of date.
I don't know off hand what the name of it is, but there is a daisy  
reading app for the ipod, a quick search of the app store should turn  
up a few.
You should have no trouble importing your daisy books into your ipod  
(come to think of it, I believe itunes has *some* daisy support,  
though not to the degree you'd get with a dedicated reader.
I'd search for you, but my ipod is dead as a doornail at the moment,  
and it takes it a while to realize it's plugged in and give me the  
signal it's charging. :)

But, anyway, hope this helps anyway.

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New Take Control Book Available Now!

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Hello everybody

We are just in the process of updating the bookshelves of those who our records 
show bought the Take Control of your 802.11N Network title from us. This is a 
free update for those on version 1.0 or 2.0. There's some good stuff in this 
edition, so I urge you to come and get it from your bookshelves.

If you believe you bought this book and it isn't present in your bookshelf, 
please show us the verification email if possible, and I will happily add it. 
If you're interested in buying this book for the first time, by all means 
contact us on the support address and I will make the necessary arrangements 
with you.

I'm almost done adding it now to those bookshelves where I know it belongs. The 
title is only available in PDF and ePub formats, as the publishers have not 
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Re: service battery

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I would say the same thing. My battery had to be serviced a year and an half 
after I got it. so let s hope this time i can make it last a bit longer. lol!

Take care.
On May 14, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> I'd think it means you should consider taking the machine in to an Apple 
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> Yours,
> Zack.
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> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> I am doing some work on my mac book pro and I just checked my status bar to 
>> see how much battery was left.  I'm showing 24 percent remaining.  Then when 
>> I arrow down to the menu, the first item I see says "service battery."  The 
>> rest of the menu has the same options as it always has.  What does "service 
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>> Thanks,
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Hello. just hit cmd semicolon or cmd shift semicolon to bring up the spell 
checker in any edit field. As for the thesouris, control click the word and 
choose look up and choose thesaurus from the options there.
On May 14, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Paula Hobley wrote:

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> I have wondered the same thing myself.  I am using pages and can't figure
> out how to spell check the document.
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> Take care
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RE: word processing

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Hi there

I have wondered the same thing myself.  I am using pages and can't figure
out how to spell check the document.

Take care

Paula


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Re: service battery

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Hi Tim,
I'd think it means you should consider taking the machine in to an Apple store 
at some point soon, where heads wiser than mine will be able to tell you what 
it means. :) More seriously, current MBP batteries aren't designed to be 
serviced or replaced except by qualified people, so the store would be your 
best bet.
Yours,
Zack.
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> I am doing some work on my mac book pro and I just checked my status bar to 
> see how much battery was left.  I'm showing 24 percent remaining.  Then when 
> I arrow down to the menu, the first item I see says "service battery."  The 
> rest of the menu has the same options as it always has.  What does "service 
> battery" mean?  Any insight you could provide would be much appreciated.
> Thanks,
> T.J.
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service battery

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Hi everyone,
I am doing some work on my mac book pro and I just checked my status bar to see 
how much battery was left.  I'm showing 24 percent remaining.  Then when I 
arrow down to the menu, the first item I see says "service battery."  The rest 
of the menu has the same options as it always has.  What does "service battery" 
mean?  Any insight you could provide would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
T.J.
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Re: Mud Client; please excuse my ignorance!

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Hi Thomas

I wish we'd been in a position to play recently, LOL. I won't go into detail 
but we do seem to do more work than play, that's true. Anyway to stay on topic; 
Gordon is saying that to him, his work is play and visa versa. But yes; we do 
love listening to music on our Mac, the odd audio book and the odd movie or two 
each week.

That's where the Mac is so versatile. Those who love gaming have excellent 
graphics, processing power, stability and lots more. Those who love work 
likewise. Those who love entertainment media again have great flexibility. We 
use Windows for two tasks only these days and not inside of a VM. We gave up on 
virtualisation early last year and I now maintain it only for testing.

The Mac is king of the computer world; and iOS is king of mobile communications 
and entertainment, in my humble opinion. I'm well aware that there is now some 
competition to the mobile platforms, and each to their own. But having tried 
Android a couple of times I reckon we'll be sticking with Apple for some 
considerable time to come.

Lynne

On 14 May 2012, at 18:34, Thomas McMahan  wrote:

So you do some of the same playing as I do then.  Love this Mac for tinkering 
with audio, and of course for listening in general  

Glad to know you guys aren't all work and no play, that was starting to worry 
me a little *lol*.  

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Re: Mud Client; please excuse my ignorance!

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So you do some of the same playing as I do then.  Love this Mac for tinkering 
with audio, and of course for listening in general  

Glad to know you guys aren't all work and no play, that was starting to worry 
me a little *lol*.  

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> 
> Yes, I'm not trying to preach or anything, as I said before it's to each 
> their own. I take the point about developers as well. It's just a purely 
> personal decision, end of story really. Computer games just don't interest 
> us. That said we use our computers for movies and music and that is our way 
> of recreational use of our Macs.
> 
> Gordon is a network administrator and server maintenance person. It's thanks 
> to that skill that this list is here; it runs on our own servers. So yes, 
> you're quite right.
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> On 14 May 2012, at 17:37, Thomas McMahan  wrote:
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> Hi Lynne, well it's all just one more task for a machine to do, just as some 
> of us play with audio a lot, and I guess some really love to do the social 
> thing, just as there those who like trying to write and develop stuff.  There 
> have been a few developers who started as gamers, then wanted to learn those 
> codes to write better ones, and then they were hooked into actually learning 
> computer code formats at that point.  Just different streets, or in this case 
> different rooms to go through *lol*.  
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Hello,
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Re: Mud Client; please excuse my ignorance!

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Hello Thomas

Yes, I'm not trying to preach or anything, as I said before it's to each their 
own. I take the point about developers as well. It's just a purely personal 
decision, end of story really. Computer games just don't interest us. That said 
we use our computers for movies and music and that is our way of recreational 
use of our Macs.

Gordon is a network administrator and server maintenance person. It's thanks to 
that skill that this list is here; it runs on our own servers. So yes, you're 
quite right.

Lynne

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Hi Lynne, well it's all just one more task for a machine to do, just as some of 
us play with audio a lot, and I guess some really love to do the social thing, 
just as there those who like trying to write and develop stuff.  There have 
been a few developers who started as gamers, then wanted to learn those codes 
to write better ones, and then they were hooked into actually learning computer 
code formats at that point.  Just different streets, or in this case different 
rooms to go through *lol*.  
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Re: Mud Client; please excuse my ignorance!

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Hi Lynne, well it's all just one more task for a machine to do, just as some of 
us play with audio a lot, and I guess some really love to do the social thing, 
just as there those who like trying to write and develop stuff.  There have 
been a few developers who started as gamers, then wanted to learn those codes 
to write better ones, and then they were hooked into actually learning computer 
code formats at that point.  Just different streets, or in this case different 
rooms to go through *lol*.  
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> Hello Thomas
> 
> On 14 May 2012, at 15:52, Thomas McMahan  wrote:
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> • Or courses for horses.  Gotta play some time though right?
> 
> Not that sort of play. I didn't realize this was for gaming. Our computers 
> aren't games machines. :)
> 
> But yes, it's all down to individual choice. I certainly wouldn't tell 
> anybody that they are wrong to use their machines for games and fun; that's 
> entirely down to the individual. I am glad that those who opt to do so can 
> enjoy their games. It just isn't for us, that's all. :)
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Re: Mud Client; please excuse my ignorance!

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Hello Thomas

On 14 May 2012, at 15:52, Thomas McMahan  wrote:

• Or courses for horses.  Gotta play some time though right?

Not that sort of play. I didn't realise this was for gaming. Our computers 
aren't games machines. :)

But yes, it's all down to individual choice. I certainly wouldn't tell anybody 
that they are wrong to use their machines for games and fun; that's entirely 
down to the individual. I am glad that those who opt to do so can enjoy their 
games. It just isn't for us, that's all. :)

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Re: downloading books from BARDS with the Mac

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Just unzip the folder and it will unzip in t it's own directory. then copy it 
to tot he root of the thum drive and you are good to go. remember ot copy the 
stuff in reverse order adnt eh player will play then in forwards order, I meant 
the  folders.

Take care.
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> Hello,
> I was wondering if anyone has downloaded books from Bards with the mack? I 
> can do it if I am putting the books on a SD card but if I want to put them on 
> a Thumb drive to play on the NLS player I have problems with setting up the 
> folders.  After I download the book and want to copy it to the Thumb drive I 
> tried to create the folder.  and name it so I can copy the book in its own 
> folder. how do I do this? Thanks in advance.
> I am using an I Mac running Snow Leperd. 
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word processing

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Do any word processing programs have spell checkers or thesaurus that will
work with voiceover?
 
Thanks in advance,
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Re: panes in ipad

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Hi  William,

In the voiceover rotor, there is a setting called "containers". I must admit 
that I've not found this setting as helpful as I thought it would be. When it 
is selected, it lets you move among groups of objects in a program or, I think, 
on a website, maybe not unlike group mode on the Mac, but I don't use group 
mode that much, so I could be wrong about that last part. Flicking with one 
finger up and down moves among the various containers, and those sometimes 
correspond to panes. There are also popup windows that take getting use to. A 
good example is the mail app, with its use of the popup and side bar, which I 
honestly can't tell the difference between. In instances where there is a popup 
or sidebar, you'll see a button you can double tap to dismiss that control. 

Otherwise, in an app with panes that are not popups, you can just put your 
finger into the other pane and it will get focus. A good example is the 
settings app, which has the main categories down the left side of the IPad. 
Double tap one and the list of categories remains on the left, but on the right 
half of the screen, you see all the items related to the choice you just 
selected on the left. This is actually kind of nice once you get use to it, as 
it means less backing out of layered screens as with the IPhone or IPod touch. 
But it definitely takes a little bit of getting use to.

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Re: organising my aps on the ipad

[Mary Otten]

William,
If you mean you want to use ITunes to put certain apps on your IPad and not 
others, then yes, you can do that as you described. However, if you mean that 
you want to set up folders and the order of apps on the various pages, then no, 
as a blind person, you can't do that. I've heard that sighted people can, but 
we can't.

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Re: word processing program that works with the Mac and voice over

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Hello Bill,
You should be able to use Text Edit without problems. It should be installed on 
your Mac by default.
Karin Cox

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like to do is write letters and update my Resume.   This would be the extent of 
what I would need a program like this for. your help is appreciated. Thanks in 
advance.
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Re: Mud Client; please excuse my ignorance!

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Or courses for horses.  Gotta play some time though right?

On May 14, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Gordon Smith > wrote:

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> 
> Well, what Lynne was trying to say I think is that she and I are not into 
> computer games. We use our computers for serious applications only.  Horses 
> for courses I guess.
> 
> Gordon
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> On 14 May 2012, at 13:06, Thomas McMahan  wrote:
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> Oh don't give up so fast, there's all kinds of games, I don't think they are 
> all magic and combat, but then again I haven't been to the mud connecter 
> website in years now.  You won't find things like basketball and baseball 
> there, but if it can be a text then someone has probably tried it.  So I'm 
> sure there are a ton of puzzle games etc too, that just happens to be a 
> category that doesn't interest me though.  But perhaps when you've gotten 
> hooked on mudding, then I might see you over at mud legend *lol*
> 
> http://www.mudconnect.com/
> 
> Go explore, more people leads to more ideas for games.
> 
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>> 
>> Thank you; you live and learn. But now I know it's a gaming thing, thus ends 
>> my interest. :)
>> 
>> Lynne
>> 
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>> mud is an online text adventure game where you type commands to make your 
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>> have up to 100 players or more playing at any one time. They are some of the 
>> best games for blind people because they are text based so there is no 
>> advantage weather blind or sighted players are playing, also it means blind 
>> and sighted players can play together on an even keel. Some are massive and 
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I was wondering if anyone has downloaded books from Bards with the mack? I can 
do it if I am putting the books on a SD card but if I want to put them on a 
Thumb drive to play on the NLS player I have problems with setting up the 
folders.  After I download the book and want to copy it to the Thumb drive I 
tried to create the folder.  and name it so I can copy the book in its own 
folder. how do I do this? Thanks in advance.
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Re: Mud Client; please excuse my ignorance!

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Hi Thomas

Well, what Lynne was trying to say I think is that she and I are not into 
computer games. We use our computers for serious applications only.  Horses for 
courses I guess.

Gordon

On 14 May 2012, at 13:06, Thomas McMahan  wrote:

Oh don't give up so fast, there's all kinds of games, I don't think they are 
all magic and combat, but then again I haven't been to the mud connecter 
website in years now.  You won't find things like basketball and baseball 
there, but if it can be a text then someone has probably tried it.  So I'm sure 
there are a ton of puzzle games etc too, that just happens to be a category 
that doesn't interest me though.  But perhaps when you've gotten hooked on 
mudding, then I might see you over at mud legend *lol*

http://www.mudconnect.com/

Go explore, more people leads to more ideas for games.

.  


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> Thank you; you live and learn. But now I know it's a gaming thing, thus ends 
> my interest. :)
> 
> Lynne
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> On 14 May 2012, at 08:09, Ian McNamara  wrote:
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> Hi Lynn, a mud client is a programe that allows you to connect to muds, a mud 
> is an online text adventure game where you type commands to make your 
> character do what you want them to. You play with people over the net, some 
> have up to 100 players or more playing at any one time. They are some of the 
> best games for blind people because they are text based so there is no 
> advantage weather blind or sighted players are playing, also it means blind 
> and sighted players can play together on an even keel. Some are massive and 
> some are small but they all have there own worlds and settings.
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Re: Mud Client; please excuse my ignorance!

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Oh don't give up so fast, there's all kinds of games, I don't think they are 
all magic and combat, but then again I haven't been to the mud connecter 
website in years now.  You won't find things like basketball and baseball 
there, but if it can be a text then someone has probably tried it.  So I'm sure 
there are a ton of puzzle games etc too, that just happens to be a category 
that doesn't interest me though.  But perhaps when you've gotten hooked on 
mudding, then I might see you over at mud legend *lol*

http://www.mudconnect.com/

Go explore, more people leads to more ideas for games.

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> my interest. :)
> 
> Lynne
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> character do what you want them to. You play with people over the net, some 
> have up to 100 players or more playing at any one time. They are some of the 
> best games for blind people because they are text based so there is no 
> advantage weather blind or sighted players are playing, also it means blind 
> and sighted players can play together on an even keel. Some are massive and 
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Re: accessibility of Netflix

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Oh good am glad Hooloo didn't like my card then *lol*.  Oh there are blessings 
in bad things sometimes.

On May 13, 2012, at 11:44 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

> On both osx via safari, and ipod via their netflix app, things are very 
> accessible.  Unlike hulu plus on the other hand, which crashes my safari, and 
> just gives me a bunch of unlabeled buttons on the ipod.
> 
> Still, it's not a bad service, since it has a decent amount of things netflix 
> doesn't, and the app on the ipod is usable, though it's extremely frustrating 
> trying to get the right item, since all searches turn up with literally 
> hundreds (in some cases) of buttons all identically labeled, and not a one of 
> them tells you what the heck you're clicking on. 
> But, netflix is just about perfect when it comes to accessibility.  I think 
> there's one spot where a button or two is not labeled or done improperly, but 
> I can't recall at the moment where that is, and it's not one that shows 
> everyday, so it's not really a limiting factor.
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Re: Preview Versus Skim: [Was using take control books]

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Hi William

I'm not surprised to hear you say that.  We use Skim all the time as opposed to 
Preview which has too many issues with more complex PDF documents for my 
liking.  You can, of course, get around a lot of them by changing your view 
options but all in all, Skim is a better application I think.

Gordon

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works fab, thanks can now see all the table of content press vo space then find 
the text area

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Re: using take control books

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works fab, thanks can now see all the table of content press vo space then find 
the text area

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> Skim is a totally separate app, not bundled with OS X.  Google it.
> 
> Gordon
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> i am smile, but can't find this skim program or is that a feature of preview?
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>> On 14 May 2012, at 08:07, william lomas  wrote:
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>> how i use skim please?
>> not really used pdf's on the mac  before
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Re: using take control books

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Hi William

Skim is a totally separate app, not bundled with OS X.  Google it.

Gordon

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i am smile, but can't find this skim program or is that a feature of preview?

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> On 14 May 2012, at 08:07, william lomas  wrote:
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> how i use skim please?
> not really used pdf's on the mac  before
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organising my aps on the ipad

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hi all can i use itunes on the  he mac to go to the aps tab of 
my ipad organise the setup through ituens, and then ahve that setup mirrored 
directly on the ipad?


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Re: using take control books

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i am smile, but can't find this skim program or is that a feature of preview?

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> On 14 May 2012, at 08:07, william lomas  wrote:
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> not really used pdf's on the mac  before
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Re: Mud Client; please excuse my ignorance!

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Hello Ian

Thank you; you live and learn. But now I know it's a gaming thing, thus ends my 
interest. :)

Lynne

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Re: Mud Client; please excuse my ignorance!

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Hi Lynn, a mud client is a programe that allows you to connect to muds, a mud 
is an online text adventure game where you type commands to make your character 
do what you want them to. You play with people over the net, some have up to 
100 players or more playing at any one time. They are some of the best games 
for blind people because they are text based so there is no advantage weather 
blind or sighted players are playing, also it means blind and sighted players 
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Re: using take control books

[Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith]

Hello William

On 14 May 2012, at 08:07, william lomas  wrote:

how i use skim please?
not really used pdf's on the amc before

Sorry, I assumed you were reading on the Mac.

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Re: using take control books

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oh is skim a pdf reader?

On 14 May 2012, at 08:04, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello William
> 
> I think this is a Preview issue. Try Skim instead and see if you get any 
> further.
> 
> Lynne
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> On 14 May 2012, at 08:00, william lomas  wrote:
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>   hi to all, do the table of contents features in PDF's exist for 
> the take control books?
> can't seem to get to a section i want in the i pad book
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Re: using take control books

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how i use skim please?
not really used pdf's on the amc before

On 14 May 2012, at 08:04, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello William
> 
> I think this is a Preview issue. Try Skim instead and see if you get any 
> further.
> 
> Lynne
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> On 14 May 2012, at 08:00, william lomas  wrote:
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>   hi to all, do the table of contents features in PDF's exist for 
> the take control books?
> can't seem to get to a section i want in the i pad book
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panes in ipad

[william lomas]

hi all, from reading the take control ipad book 
it seems that a lot of the work is carried out in Windows or "panes" as theya 
re known. 
1. how does a voiceover user know they are int he pane relating to the area 
they just clicked in to?
2. how can i move between panes?
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Re: using take control books

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Hello William

I think this is a Preview issue. Try Skim instead and see if you get any 
further.

Lynne

On 14 May 2012, at 08:00, william lomas  wrote:

hi to all, do the table of contents features in PDF's exist for 
the take control books?
can't seem to get to a section i want in the i pad book

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using take control books

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hi to all, do the table of contents features in PDF's exist for 
the take control books?
can't seem to get to a section i want in the i pad book

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