Re: Software suggestions please.

[Gordon Smith]

Regarding your video conversion, have you tried DVD Remaster, 
 or the Mac App Store.

I gave up on Handbrake because it's terribly slow.

Gordon

On 5 Aug 2012, at 00:54, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

I can hep you with the first. I use hand brake to do this. As for a batch 
tagger I don't know of one. I'm trying to find one myself as we have to batch 
tag stuff for our station and I don't feel like doing 60 of these per month by 
hand lol!

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Re: Installing Lion or Later

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Sarah

You can skip the registration process I am sure there is a "Skip" button.  
Possibly you've missed it if you've just rushed through the process.

On 4 Aug 2012, at 22:04, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

True. the activation has never been required for mac osx. I don't ever 
remembering to enter a license key. so in theory I can take my usb key and 
install it on a mac with a new hard drive as long as it has apple's specks.

I can't go on line do do that so I have to do it this way, in theory of corse.  

As for a skip button I don't remember ever seeing that in a mac install and 
I've done about 8 clean installs this year.
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Re: Installing Lion or Later

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Hi Chris

You're missing the point, yes.  You do not necessarily have to register the OS 
I don't think, not immediately, anyway.  I don't want to start discussing 
Windows but I'm sure it's possible to install Mac OS X without being online.  I 
see that you are still using Windows for your mail.  That is unfortunate. :)

On 4 Aug 2012, at 21:35, chris hallsworth  wrote:

Hello Gordon and all activation is not required at installation time at leat 
with Windows 7 where you can leave the product key blank and use it for about 
30 days before requiring to enter a product key and thus activate the 
installation. That to me is the difference unless I am missing the point.
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Re: switching between os again

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Mark

You should actually hold the option key down for about 10 seconds after you 
hear the start-up sound.  If you don't, you'll probably just be landed in to 
the configured start disk which must be your Mountain Lion installation.

Gordon

On 4 Aug 2012, at 21:13, Mark Furness  wrote:

My I Mac is running Lion.
My external has Mountain Lion on it.
1. I hold down the option key while it is booting up.
2. When the Mac start up sound  is heard, I let go of the option key.
3. I have hit the left arrow and my Mac does not start.
4. I have also hit the right arrow key and the Mac does not start up either.
5. If I do nothing from start up, it goes into M L.


What am I doing wrong?
All I wish to do is play with M L for a while, befor installing it over Lion.

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Re: Software suggestions please.

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I can hep you with the first. I use hand brake to do this. As for a batch 
tagger I don't know of one. I'm trying to find one myself as we have to batch 
tag stuff for our station and I don't feel like doing 60 of these per month by 
hand lol!

Take care.
On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Danny Noonan  wrote:

> I'm looking for VO friendly stable software to do the following and hoped the 
> list may have some suggestions.
> 
> On windows, I used prism video converter to do good quality batch conversions 
> of vid files so as to make them playable on iPhone, iPod, apple tv etc.
> 
> Also, an mp3 tag editer to batch convert/create id3 tags and the like.
> 
> Any help greatly appreciated.
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> Kind regards.
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Re: switching between os again

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lol. Yeah you can do that as well, or go to system prefs from lion and go to 
start up disk then choose your os. I have done all 3 ways.  and all of them 
work. It just depends on what you want to do in regards to starting up.
On Aug 4, 2012, at 2:54 PM, John Gunn  wrote:

> Hello Mark:
> 
> You could also hit command-r, then hit the power button.
> 
> Wait a couple of seconds, and after a bit hit command-F5 which will bring up 
> VO.  Next do command-q and you should be presented a startup disk.
> 
> Or to make things really simple, if in Lion, system preference and startup 
> disk.
> 
> This will also working going back from ML to Lion.
> 
> 
> On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Mark Furness  wrote:
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>> My I Mac is running Lion.
>> My external has Mountain Lion on it.
>> 1. I hold down the option key while it is booting up.
>> 2. When the Mac start up sound  is heard, I let go of the option key.
>> 3. I have hit the left arrow and my Mac does not start.
>> 4. I have also hit the right arrow key and the Mac does not start up either.
>> 5. If I do nothing from start up, it goes into M L.
>> 
>> 
>> What am I doing wrong?
>> All I wish to do is play with M L for a while, befor installing it over Lion.
>> 
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Re: switching between os again

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Hello Mark:

You could also hit command-r, then hit the power button.

Wait a couple of seconds, and after a bit hit command-F5 which will bring up 
VO.  Next do command-q and you should be presented a startup disk.

Or to make things really simple, if in Lion, system preference and startup disk.

This will also working going back from ML to Lion.


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> My I Mac is running Lion.
> My external has Mountain Lion on it.
> 1. I hold down the option key while it is booting up.
> 2. When the Mac start up sound  is heard, I let go of the option key.
> 3. I have hit the left arrow and my Mac does not start.
> 4. I have also hit the right arrow key and the Mac does not start up either.
> 5. If I do nothing from start up, it goes into M L.
> 
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> All I wish to do is play with M L for a while, befor installing it over Lion.
> 
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Re: switching between os again

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You forgot to hit enter after hitting the left arrow or the right arrow.

Take care.
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> My I Mac is running Lion.
> My external has Mountain Lion on it.
> 1. I hold down the option key while it is booting up.
> 2. When the Mac start up sound  is heard, I let go of the option key.
> 3. I have hit the left arrow and my Mac does not start.
> 4. I have also hit the right arrow key and the Mac does not start up either.
> 5. If I do nothing from start up, it goes into M L.
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> What am I doing wrong?
> All I wish to do is play with M L for a while, befor installing it over Lion.
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Re: Installing Lion or Later

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True. the activation has never been required for mac osx. I don't ever 
remembering to enter a license key. so in theory I can take my usb key and 
install it on a mac with a new hard drive as long as it has apple's specks.

I can't go on line do do that so I have to do it this way, in theory of corse.  

As for a skip button I don't remember ever seeing that in a mac install and 
I've done about 8 clean installs this year.
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> Hello Gordon and all oh thank you so much for that. I didn't realize you 
> could skip part of it.
> - Original Message - From: "Gordon Smith" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 5:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Installing Lion or Later
> 
> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> There are "Skip" buttons whereby you can do the install if you don't have a 
>> network connection.  Also, there has been much talk on this list recently 
>> about installing via flash media.  So yes, of course you can install your OS 
>> without an Internet connection.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On 3 Aug 2012, at 19:37, chris hallsworth  wrote:
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>> You know guys, and this is no disrespect to Apple, but I don't like how they 
>> want you to install their software now. I read from their support web pages 
>> that an internet connection is required to install Lion or later. Well I 
>> have a point. What if you do not have either an ethernet or
>> wireless connection? Is there any ways around this? Thanks!
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Re: Installing Lion or Later

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Hello Gordon and all oh thank you so much for that. I didn't realize you 
could skip part of it.
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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: Installing Lion or Later



Chris

There are "Skip" buttons whereby you can do the install if you don't have 
a network connection.  Also, there has been much talk on this list 
recently about installing via flash media.  So yes, of course you can 
install your OS without an Internet connection.


Gordon

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You know guys, and this is no disrespect to Apple, but I don't like how 
they want you to install their software now. I read from their support web 
pages that an internet connection is required to install Lion or later. 
Well I have a point. What if you do not have either an ethernet or

wireless connection? Is there any ways around this? Thanks!
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Re: Installing Lion or Later

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Hello Gordon and all activation is not required at installation time at leat 
with Windows 7 where you can leave the product key blank and use it for 
about 30 days before requiring to enter a product key and thus activate the 
installation. That to me is the difference unless I am missing the point.
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Hi Mike, and Chris

it's also worth pointing out that Microsoft also assumes Internet 
connectivity when installing Windows.  Unless you have a volume license, 
you need to activate it at some point.  So, tel me, what's the difference?


Gordon


Gordon

On 3 Aug 2012, at 20:22, Mike Welty  wrote:

I think it pulls some information from apple's servers when it's 
installing lion or later, plus it links in to ICloud too, have to keep 
that in mind.



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My I Mac is running Lion.
My external has Mountain Lion on it.
1. I hold down the option key while it is booting up.
2. When the Mac start up sound  is heard, I let go of the option key.
3. I have hit the left arrow and my Mac does not start.
4. I have also hit the right arrow key and the Mac does not start up either.
5. If I do nothing from start up, it goes into M L.


What am I doing wrong?
All I wish to do is play with M L for a while, befor installing it over Lion.

Mark
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Re: Tables in PDF documents

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Chris

Ask me who will win next year's national, I'll tell you "Red Rum"!

Gordon

On 4 Aug 2012, at 19:33, Chris Moore  wrote:

Lol it's working fine for me   Don't think I will ever ask you for racing tips 

Sent from my iPhone

On 4 Aug 2012, at 18:04, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> Chris
> 
> I have this, but it keeps crashing under Mountain Lion or Lion.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 4 Aug 2012, at 17:59, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> Failing that, get docuscan plus 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 4 Aug 2012, at 06:17, Esther  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Paul,
>> 
>> You might try one of Wondershare's products -- either PDF Converter for Mac 
>> or PDF Converter Pro -- in trial mode.  This is a kind of hokey answer, and 
>> I wouldn't want to purchase the product ($59.99 or $79.99 for Pro) unless 
>> they made some accessibility fixes to their interface.  The conversion seems 
>> robust.  What worked for me was using their trial downloads, which are 
>> limited to converting 5 pages, to convert from PDF to Rich Text Format.  By 
>> default the conversion seems to go to Word (.docx) format, and those seemed 
>> to come out as gibberish for me.  HTML worked, and then I tried the 
>> conversion to .rtf, which is probably what you will want to use.
>> 
>> Get one of the trial downloads of either PDF Converter for Mac or PDF 
>> Converter Pro from:
>> http://www.wondershare.com/pdf-converter/mac/
>> If you use the web rotor set to links, and look for "Free trial", you'll get 
>> two sets of matches to the free trial downloads for the standard and pro 
>> versions: the first set are the standard and pro version links at the bottom 
>> of a feature comparison table, and the second set are the summary 
>> descriptions for the products with pricing, "trial" and "buy" links at the 
>> bottom of the page, again for the standard and pro versions.  (The pro 
>> version adds OCR capability).
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Re: Installing Lion or Later

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lol. point taken. but what about those computers with no internet that have to 
for business purposes or in the recording studio bee off line,  have to have 
the mountain lion upgrade. I think that a usb stick with install esd dmg is a 
good thing that way you can take it to each computer off line and either clean 
ins tall or upgrade what ever comes first. lol!
On Aug 4, 2012, at 12:12 PM, Jonathan Tyrer  wrote:

> Not wanting to point out the obvious, but aren't we on the Internet now?
> 
> On 04/08/2012, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> Ah thanks. will try this.  will it format with the guid partition and stuff?
>> I assume it will. lol! When I tried this with the old version of carbon
>> cloner and lion and my install esd dmg for that it errored out so not sure
>> what happened there.
>> 
>> Thanks and take care.
>> On Aug 4, 2012, at 4:48 AM, Dean Adams  wrote:
>> 
>>> HI All,
>>> I used carbon copy cloner to create a bootable usb thumb drive, I have
>>> the installesd.dmg on my desktop and another copy of it on a backup drive
>>> just selected the install mac osx mountain  lion.dmg in the source and my
>>> thumb drive in the target of ccc and off you go it didn't take long to
>>> create it at all. I did this with the trial version of carbon copy cloner
>>> version 3.5.1 you need this version to do this with mountain lion.
>>> Regards Dean
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
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>>> Mobile: +61428133758
>>> Skype : deanadams9
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>>> On 04/08/2012, at 10:29 AM, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>> 
 As my not so famous saying goes, Oh, why did I not think of that. Yeah go
 to their internet and then download it via their mac app store signed in
 as you of corse, copy the app file to a flash drive and when you get home
 just use your tools you have in your mac to then make a flash drive, or
 use that same flash drive and back that app up some ware else in case you
 need it again.On Aug 3, 2012, at 4:32 PM, chris hallsworth
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> Ar, great to hear you can do it via the Apple retail store.
> - Original Message - From: "Thomas McMahan"
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> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 9:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Installing Lion or Later
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> 
>> Not that I know of, I think they presume everybody has a fast internet
>> or can get to an Apple store which I know of a person who does that for
>> his o s upgrades because his internet seems to drop it partly through
>> the download.
>> On Aug 3, 2012, at 1:37 PM, "chris hallsworth"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> You know guys, and this is no disrespect to Apple, but I don't like
>>> how they want you to install their software now. I read from their
>>> support web pages that an internet connection is required to install
>>> Lion or later. Well I have a point. What if you do not have either an
>>> ethernet or wireless connection? Is there any ways around this?
>>> Thanks!
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Re: Installing Lion or Later

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Not wanting to point out the obvious, but aren't we on the Internet now?

On 04/08/2012, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> Ah thanks. will try this.  will it format with the guid partition and stuff?
> I assume it will. lol! When I tried this with the old version of carbon
> cloner and lion and my install esd dmg for that it errored out so not sure
> what happened there.
>
> Thanks and take care.
> On Aug 4, 2012, at 4:48 AM, Dean Adams  wrote:
>
>> HI All,
>>  I used carbon copy cloner to create a bootable usb thumb drive, I have
>> the installesd.dmg on my desktop and another copy of it on a backup drive
>> just selected the install mac osx mountain  lion.dmg in the source and my
>> thumb drive in the target of ccc and off you go it didn't take long to
>> create it at all. I did this with the trial version of carbon copy cloner
>> version 3.5.1 you need this version to do this with mountain lion.
>> Regards Dean
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
>> breezepa...@gmail.com
>> Voip phone: +6124307 9248
>> landline Phone: +61243892195
>> Mobile: +61428133758
>> Skype : deanadams9
>>
>> On 04/08/2012, at 10:29 AM, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>
>>> As my not so famous saying goes, Oh, why did I not think of that. Yeah go
>>> to their internet and then download it via their mac app store signed in
>>> as you of corse, copy the app file to a flash drive and when you get home
>>> just use your tools you have in your mac to then make a flash drive, or
>>> use that same flash drive and back that app up some ware else in case you
>>> need it again.On Aug 3, 2012, at 4:32 PM, chris hallsworth
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 Ar, great to hear you can do it via the Apple retail store.
 - Original Message - From: "Thomas McMahan"
 
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 Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 9:32 PM
 Subject: Re: Installing Lion or Later


> Not that I know of, I think they presume everybody has a fast internet
> or can get to an Apple store which I know of a person who does that for
> his o s upgrades because his internet seems to drop it partly through
> the download.
> On Aug 3, 2012, at 1:37 PM, "chris hallsworth"
>  wrote:
>
>> You know guys, and this is no disrespect to Apple, but I don't like
>> how they want you to install their software now. I read from their
>> support web pages that an internet connection is required to install
>> Lion or later. Well I have a point. What if you do not have either an
>> ethernet or wireless connection? Is there any ways around this?
>> Thanks!
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Re: Tables in PDF documents

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Lol it's working fine for me   Don't think I will ever ask you for racing tips 

Sent from my iPhone

On 4 Aug 2012, at 18:04, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> Chris
> 
> I have this, but it keeps crashing under Mountain Lion or Lion.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 4 Aug 2012, at 17:59, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> Failing that, get docuscan plus 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 4 Aug 2012, at 06:17, Esther  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Paul,
>> 
>> You might try one of Wondershare's products -- either PDF Converter for Mac 
>> or PDF Converter Pro -- in trial mode.  This is a kind of hokey answer, and 
>> I wouldn't want to purchase the product ($59.99 or $79.99 for Pro) unless 
>> they made some accessibility fixes to their interface.  The conversion seems 
>> robust.  What worked for me was using their trial downloads, which are 
>> limited to converting 5 pages, to convert from PDF to Rich Text Format.  By 
>> default the conversion seems to go to Word (.docx) format, and those seemed 
>> to come out as gibberish for me.  HTML worked, and then I tried the 
>> conversion to .rtf, which is probably what you will want to use.
>> 
>> Get one of the trial downloads of either PDF Converter for Mac or PDF 
>> Converter Pro from:
>> http://www.wondershare.com/pdf-converter/mac/
>> If you use the web rotor set to links, and look for "Free trial", you'll get 
>> two sets of matches to the free trial downloads for the standard and pro 
>> versions: the first set are the standard and pro version links at the bottom 
>> of a feature comparison table, and the second set are the summary 
>> descriptions for the products with pricing, "trial" and "buy" links at the 
>> bottom of the page, again for the standard and pro versions.  (The pro 
>> version adds OCR capability).
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Re: Tables in PDF documents

[Gordon Smith]

Forgot to mention that if you don't like cloud technology, DocuScan Pljus is 
not for you.


On 4 Aug 2012, at 18:04, Gordon Smith  wrote:

Chris

I have this, but it keeps crashing under Mountain Lion or Lion.

Gordon


On 4 Aug 2012, at 17:59, Chris Moore  wrote:

Failing that, get docuscan plus 

Sent from my iPhone

On 4 Aug 2012, at 06:17, Esther  wrote:

> Hello Paul,
> 
> You might try one of Wondershare's products -- either PDF Converter for Mac 
> or PDF Converter Pro -- in trial mode.  This is a kind of hokey answer, and I 
> wouldn't want to purchase the product ($59.99 or $79.99 for Pro) unless they 
> made some accessibility fixes to their interface.  The conversion seems 
> robust.  What worked for me was using their trial downloads, which are 
> limited to converting 5 pages, to convert from PDF to Rich Text Format.  By 
> default the conversion seems to go to Word (.docx) format, and those seemed 
> to come out as gibberish for me.  HTML worked, and then I tried the 
> conversion to .rtf, which is probably what you will want to use.
> 
> Get one of the trial downloads of either PDF Converter for Mac or PDF 
> Converter Pro from:
> http://www.wondershare.com/pdf-converter/mac/
> If you use the web rotor set to links, and look for "Free trial", you'll get 
> two sets of matches to the free trial downloads for the standard and pro 
> versions: the first set are the standard and pro version links at the bottom 
> of a feature comparison table, and the second set are the summary 
> descriptions for the products with pricing, "trial" and "buy" links at the 
> bottom of the page, again for the standard and pro versions.  (The pro 
> version adds OCR capability).
> 
> The program starts up with a "Wondershare PDF Converter (Unregistered)" 
> window with a scroll area that will populate with your selected files. To run 
> the program use the "File" menu on the menu bar to "Add files" with the 
> Command-L shortcut.  Your selections get loaded into the scroll area of the 
> Wondershare PDF Converter (Unregistered) window, and there's an unlabeled 
> button outside the scroll area that runs the conversion.  However, you can 
> use the shortcuts from the "Convert" menu of Command-R to run or 
> Command-Shift-R to cancel instead doing a VO-Space on that unlabeled button 
> to run the program.  For each file there is an initial "button" that can be 
> pressed to Preview the PDF, and then for the currently selected file there's 
> a second button you can press to specify the conversion format and page 
> range.  However, you can bypass this by pressing Command-F to use the "File 
> Configuration" shortcut from the "File Menu" to bring up the dialog box with 
> the same information.  This lets you specify page range (defaults to "all", 
> but you can customize by typing, for example "1,3,5-8" into the text box), 
> and the format in the pop up menu (e.g. "Rich Text Format").  The check box 
> for "Apply to all" lets you apply the format selection to all files you have 
> loaded into the scroll area to date.  Run the program with Command-R.  Files 
> with similar name but .rtf extension will be placed in the same directory as 
> your selected file.  If you choose HTML, then the converted file is always 
> named index.html.
> 
> This seems to work.  There are paid versions in the Mac App Store, but if you 
> only need to read your bills, you can just use the trial version, which 
> limits you to 5 pages per document.  I'll give you the App Store links:
> • PDF Converter 
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pdf-converter/id414200948?mt=12
> • PDF Converter Pro
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pdf-converter-pro/id422540826?mt=12
> 
> Sarah and others, the issue that Paul has hit is that the PDF versions of 
> tables reads out of order: all the entries from column 1 then all the entries 
> from column 2.  Try printing a PDF version of a table you can read correctly 
> on the web.  When you use Preview or Skim the columns are read out of order.  
> Using the "New TextEdit Window from Selection" service doesn't help: if you 
> start from the HTML version, the TextEdit window will read the table in 
> correct order, but if you start from the PDF version, the conversion in the 
> TextEdit window will read the same way. I tried a few other converters that 
> gave the same behavior.  That's also why I tried converting to HTML, as well 
> with  this program. 
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> On Aug 3, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> I use an app called pdf to text. simply drag the file on to the app in the 
>> apps folder and you have an rtf file on your desk top, I think. It's been a 
>> while since I used it but it works for what I need it to.
>> 
>> I'm unsure if it will do tables  but it's worth a try. 
>> On Aug 3, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, 
>>> Is there anything in the Mac App store which will run on Mountain Lion and 
>>> convert PDF documents containing tables into

Re: Tables in PDF documents

[Gordon Smith]

Chris

I have this, but it keeps crashing under Mountain Lion or Lion.

Gordon


On 4 Aug 2012, at 17:59, Chris Moore  wrote:

Failing that, get docuscan plus 

Sent from my iPhone

On 4 Aug 2012, at 06:17, Esther  wrote:

> Hello Paul,
> 
> You might try one of Wondershare's products -- either PDF Converter for Mac 
> or PDF Converter Pro -- in trial mode.  This is a kind of hokey answer, and I 
> wouldn't want to purchase the product ($59.99 or $79.99 for Pro) unless they 
> made some accessibility fixes to their interface.  The conversion seems 
> robust.  What worked for me was using their trial downloads, which are 
> limited to converting 5 pages, to convert from PDF to Rich Text Format.  By 
> default the conversion seems to go to Word (.docx) format, and those seemed 
> to come out as gibberish for me.  HTML worked, and then I tried the 
> conversion to .rtf, which is probably what you will want to use.
> 
> Get one of the trial downloads of either PDF Converter for Mac or PDF 
> Converter Pro from:
> http://www.wondershare.com/pdf-converter/mac/
> If you use the web rotor set to links, and look for "Free trial", you'll get 
> two sets of matches to the free trial downloads for the standard and pro 
> versions: the first set are the standard and pro version links at the bottom 
> of a feature comparison table, and the second set are the summary 
> descriptions for the products with pricing, "trial" and "buy" links at the 
> bottom of the page, again for the standard and pro versions.  (The pro 
> version adds OCR capability).
> 
> The program starts up with a "Wondershare PDF Converter (Unregistered)" 
> window with a scroll area that will populate with your selected files. To run 
> the program use the "File" menu on the menu bar to "Add files" with the 
> Command-L shortcut.  Your selections get loaded into the scroll area of the 
> Wondershare PDF Converter (Unregistered) window, and there's an unlabeled 
> button outside the scroll area that runs the conversion.  However, you can 
> use the shortcuts from the "Convert" menu of Command-R to run or 
> Command-Shift-R to cancel instead doing a VO-Space on that unlabeled button 
> to run the program.  For each file there is an initial "button" that can be 
> pressed to Preview the PDF, and then for the currently selected file there's 
> a second button you can press to specify the conversion format and page 
> range.  However, you can bypass this by pressing Command-F to use the "File 
> Configuration" shortcut from the "File Menu" to bring up the dialog box with 
> the same information.  This lets you specify page range (defaults to "all", 
> but you can customize by typing, for example "1,3,5-8" into the text box), 
> and the format in the pop up menu (e.g. "Rich Text Format").  The check box 
> for "Apply to all" lets you apply the format selection to all files you have 
> loaded into the scroll area to date.  Run the program with Command-R.  Files 
> with similar name but .rtf extension will be placed in the same directory as 
> your selected file.  If you choose HTML, then the converted file is always 
> named index.html.
> 
> This seems to work.  There are paid versions in the Mac App Store, but if you 
> only need to read your bills, you can just use the trial version, which 
> limits you to 5 pages per document.  I'll give you the App Store links:
> • PDF Converter 
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pdf-converter/id414200948?mt=12
> • PDF Converter Pro
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pdf-converter-pro/id422540826?mt=12
> 
> Sarah and others, the issue that Paul has hit is that the PDF versions of 
> tables reads out of order: all the entries from column 1 then all the entries 
> from column 2.  Try printing a PDF version of a table you can read correctly 
> on the web.  When you use Preview or Skim the columns are read out of order.  
> Using the "New TextEdit Window from Selection" service doesn't help: if you 
> start from the HTML version, the TextEdit window will read the table in 
> correct order, but if you start from the PDF version, the conversion in the 
> TextEdit window will read the same way. I tried a few other converters that 
> gave the same behavior.  That's also why I tried converting to HTML, as well 
> with  this program. 
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> On Aug 3, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> I use an app called pdf to text. simply drag the file on to the app in the 
>> apps folder and you have an rtf file on your desk top, I think. It's been a 
>> while since I used it but it works for what I need it to.
>> 
>> I'm unsure if it will do tables  but it's worth a try. 
>> On Aug 3, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, 
>>> Is there anything in the Mac App store which will run on Mountain Lion and 
>>> convert PDF documents containing tables into a form which can be read with 
>>> VoiceOver? 
>>> 
>>> My bank provides my credit card statement as a PDF file only. It does not 
>>> read

Re: Tables in PDF documents

[Chris Moore]

Failing that, get docuscan plus 

Sent from my iPhone

On 4 Aug 2012, at 06:17, Esther  wrote:

> Hello Paul,
> 
> You might try one of Wondershare's products -- either PDF Converter for Mac 
> or PDF Converter Pro -- in trial mode.  This is a kind of hokey answer, and I 
> wouldn't want to purchase the product ($59.99 or $79.99 for Pro) unless they 
> made some accessibility fixes to their interface.  The conversion seems 
> robust.  What worked for me was using their trial downloads, which are 
> limited to converting 5 pages, to convert from PDF to Rich Text Format.  By 
> default the conversion seems to go to Word (.docx) format, and those seemed 
> to come out as gibberish for me.  HTML worked, and then I tried the 
> conversion to .rtf, which is probably what you will want to use.
> 
> Get one of the trial downloads of either PDF Converter for Mac or PDF 
> Converter Pro from:
> http://www.wondershare.com/pdf-converter/mac/
> If you use the web rotor set to links, and look for "Free trial", you'll get 
> two sets of matches to the free trial downloads for the standard and pro 
> versions: the first set are the standard and pro version links at the bottom 
> of a feature comparison table, and the second set are the summary 
> descriptions for the products with pricing, "trial" and "buy" links at the 
> bottom of the page, again for the standard and pro versions.  (The pro 
> version adds OCR capability).
> 
> The program starts up with a "Wondershare PDF Converter (Unregistered)" 
> window with a scroll area that will populate with your selected files. To run 
> the program use the "File" menu on the menu bar to "Add files" with the 
> Command-L shortcut.  Your selections get loaded into the scroll area of the 
> Wondershare PDF Converter (Unregistered) window, and there's an unlabeled 
> button outside the scroll area that runs the conversion.  However, you can 
> use the shortcuts from the "Convert" menu of Command-R to run or 
> Command-Shift-R to cancel instead doing a VO-Space on that unlabeled button 
> to run the program.  For each file there is an initial "button" that can be 
> pressed to Preview the PDF, and then for the currently selected file there's 
> a second button you can press to specify the conversion format and page 
> range.  However, you can bypass this by pressing Command-F to use the "File 
> Configuration" shortcut from the "File Menu" to bring up the dialog box with 
> the same information.  This lets you specify page range (defaults to "all", 
> but you can customize by typing, for example "1,3,5-8" into the text box), 
> and the format in the pop up menu (e.g. "Rich Text Format").  The check box 
> for "Apply to all" lets you apply the format selection to all files you have 
> loaded into the scroll area to date.  Run the program with Command-R.  Files 
> with similar name but .rtf extension will be placed in the same directory as 
> your selected file.  If you choose HTML, then the converted file is always 
> named index.html.
> 
> This seems to work.  There are paid versions in the Mac App Store, but if you 
> only need to read your bills, you can just use the trial version, which 
> limits you to 5 pages per document.  I'll give you the App Store links:
> • PDF Converter 
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pdf-converter/id414200948?mt=12
> • PDF Converter Pro
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pdf-converter-pro/id422540826?mt=12
> 
> Sarah and others, the issue that Paul has hit is that the PDF versions of 
> tables reads out of order: all the entries from column 1 then all the entries 
> from column 2.  Try printing a PDF version of a table you can read correctly 
> on the web.  When you use Preview or Skim the columns are read out of order.  
> Using the "New TextEdit Window from Selection" service doesn't help: if you 
> start from the HTML version, the TextEdit window will read the table in 
> correct order, but if you start from the PDF version, the conversion in the 
> TextEdit window will read the same way. I tried a few other converters that 
> gave the same behavior.  That's also why I tried converting to HTML, as well 
> with  this program. 
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> On Aug 3, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> I use an app called pdf to text. simply drag the file on to the app in the 
>> apps folder and you have an rtf file on your desk top, I think. It's been a 
>> while since I used it but it works for what I need it to.
>> 
>> I'm unsure if it will do tables  but it's worth a try. 
>> On Aug 3, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, 
>>> Is there anything in the Mac App store which will run on Mountain Lion and 
>>> convert PDF documents containing tables into a form which can be read with 
>>> VoiceOver? 
>>> 
>>> My bank provides my credit card statement as a PDF file only. It does not 
>>> read correctly with Preview which displays each column in the table 
>>> separately. Using Abbyyy fine reader to create a spreadshe

Re: Installing Lion or Later

[Sarah Alawami]

Ah thanks. will try this.  will it format with the guid partition and stuff? I 
assume it will. lol! When I tried this with the old version of carbon cloner 
and lion and my install esd dmg for that it errored out so not sure what 
happened there.

Thanks and take care.
On Aug 4, 2012, at 4:48 AM, Dean Adams  wrote:

> HI All,
>   I used carbon copy cloner to create a bootable usb thumb drive, I have 
> the installesd.dmg on my desktop and another copy of it on a backup drive 
> just selected the install mac osx mountain  lion.dmg in the source and my 
> thumb drive in the target of ccc and off you go it didn't take long to create 
> it at all. I did this with the trial version of carbon copy cloner version 
> 3.5.1 you need this version to do this with mountain lion.
> Regards Dean
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Dean Adams Macbook Pro
> breezepa...@gmail.com
> Voip phone: +6124307 9248
> landline Phone: +61243892195
> Mobile: +61428133758
> Skype : deanadams9
> 
> On 04/08/2012, at 10:29 AM, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> 
>> As my not so famous saying goes, Oh, why did I not think of that. Yeah go to 
>> their internet and then download it via their mac app store signed in  as 
>> you of corse, copy the app file to a flash drive and when you get home just 
>> use your tools you have in your mac to then make a flash drive, or use that 
>> same flash drive and back that app up some ware else in case you need it 
>> again.On Aug 3, 2012, at 4:32 PM, chris hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ar, great to hear you can do it via the Apple retail store.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Thomas McMahan" 
>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 9:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Installing Lion or Later
>>> 
>>> 
 Not that I know of, I think they presume everybody has a fast internet or 
 can get to an Apple store which I know of a person who does that for his o 
 s upgrades because his internet seems to drop it partly through the 
 download.
 On Aug 3, 2012, at 1:37 PM, "chris hallsworth"  
 wrote:
 
> You know guys, and this is no disrespect to Apple, but I don't like how 
> they want you to install their software now. I read from their support 
> web pages that an internet connection is required to install Lion or 
> later. Well I have a point. What if you do not have either an ethernet or 
> wireless connection? Is there any ways around this? Thanks!
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Re: Creating Bootable Media

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Esther and Geoff

Excellently explained Esther.  Actually further explanation had occurred to me 
too after i wrote my original reply, but by that point it was too late as the 
message was already in cyberspace. :)

However, I hope that between us, we've managed to give Geoff and others a good 
point of reference and guide to start making their own installers without 
having to rely on silly little utilities such as Lion Disk Maker which, in my 
opinion at least, was written by somebody with way too much time on his hands.  
Were it possible to use the UIB utility for a visually impaired user, I am sure 
that there are several members of this group who could have equaled or bettered 
that utility.  Be that as it may, if some find it of value then fine, live and 
let live. :)

Regarding Carbon Copy Cloner, it's worth pointing out that they are currently 
running a promotion which they are calling "Get Ready For Mountain Lion".  This 
project runs through to August 12, and gives you 25% off the regular price of 
Carbon Copy Cloner.  This is one utility which I think worth supporting, as it, 
just like Super Duper! could potentially save you hours of work, let alone a 
great deal of lost data.  I have, therefore, chosen to support that utility and 
I gather that Lynne is planning to update her article regarding system backups 
when she gets home.  She's currently away on a weekend-long expedition with a 
group of girl guides, (the equivalent of what we call the "Boy Scouts").  But 
that's another matter entirely.

Carbon Copy Cloner is, as I've already said, now Mountain Lion compatible, as 
is Super Duper!  It pays to have one or both of these utilities ready and 
waiting I think.  But also the manual method of creating bootable media which 
Esther and I described is something that most Mac users will want to know how 
to accomplish.

Gordon

On 3 Aug 2012, at 23:03, Esther  wrote:

Hi Geoff,

Just to further comment on Gordon's points about the "Partition" tab in Disk 
Utility.  I think that to prepare your SD card (or a USB memory stick) for 
being a bootable volume, the preferred method is to use the "Partition" tab and 
create a new partition, which also deletes existing content in the process, 
rather than to use the "Erase" tab.  Most USB thumb drives and SD media card 
come formatted for use with FAT32 files for Windows, since Macs can read these 
formats. 

The distinction is that when you make a bootable drive for current Macs, you 
not only need to specify the format for files (e.g., "Mac OS Extended, 
Journaled"), but that you're using a "GUID Partition table" (for an Intel Mac) 
vs. an "Apple Partition map" (for an older PowerPC Mac, or for a device that is 
not being used as a startup device) vs. a "Master Boot Record" for devices used 
to start up DOS or Windows devices, or devices that require DOS- or 
Windows-compatible partitions.  

In order to get access to those options, you have to create a new partition by 
changing the popup button for the partition layout of your device from 
"Current" to "1 partition" (or however many you want).   Then you can assign 
name, format, and size to your partition and press the "Options" button to 
select one of the three options I described above (GUID, Apple, or MBR).  These 
changes take effect when you click "Apply".

I believe that Carbon Copy Cloner lets you choose a menu item to "Create a 
Mountain Lion Installer", which takes care of all the selection options 
automatically, since it assumes you need this as a bootable drive, just as the 
default options to use it to make a bootable clone handles this preparation and 
the formatting settings.  But it is possible to prep the drive manually as I 
described by using the "Partition" tab of Disk Utility instead of the "Erase" 
tab.

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Re: Installing Lion or Later

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Mike, and Chris

it's also worth pointing out that Microsoft also assumes Internet connectivity 
when installing Windows.  Unless you have a volume license, you need to 
activate it at some point.  So, tel me, what's the difference?

Gordon


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On 3 Aug 2012, at 20:22, Mike Welty  wrote:

I think it pulls some information from apple's servers when it's installing 
lion or later, plus it links in to ICloud too, have to keep  that in mind.


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Re: Installing Lion or Later

[Gordon Smith]

Chris

There are "Skip" buttons whereby you can do the install if you don't have a 
network connection.  Also, there has been much talk on this list recently about 
installing via flash media.  So yes, of course you can install your OS without 
an Internet connection.

Gordon

On 3 Aug 2012, at 19:37, chris hallsworth  wrote:

You know guys, and this is no disrespect to Apple, but I don't like how they 
want you to install their software now. I read from their support web pages 
that an internet connection is required to install Lion or later. Well I have a 
point. What if you do not have either an ethernet or 
wireless connection? Is there any ways around this? Thanks! 
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Re: Tables in PDF documents

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Paul

PDF document processing is one area where Mac OS X and VoiceOver really do fall 
flat on their faces.  I know that maybe people will not like me saying this but 
I have to speak as I find.  As somebody who, in the passed, has done a lot of 
work for and with Adobe on their beta testing team for Acrobat Professional 
(Windows), I really think that something needs to be done to end the war of 
words between Apple and Adobe, formerly partners in crime.

It's my understanding that the two companies fell out over Apple's refusal to 
support flash on their mobile platforms.  But to be honest, even before that 
point, their refusal to work together to better the PDF support for those of us 
with accessibility needs was and is very disappointing.

Anyway, to answer your question.  I think that probably your best bet is Abbyy 
FineReader Express Mac.  I think I'm write in saying that it can convert 
documents whilst retaining their format.  It's been a while since I played with 
it as I cannot get my Canon scanners to work under Lion or Mountain Lion.  So 
if somebody knows better then I'd be most eager to hear about it.  But I 
believe that might be your best approach to this issue.  I agree, it's a lot of 
hassle for little gain, but I cannot think of any other way you might 
accomplish this, at least not an easier way.

Gordon

On 3 Aug 2012, at 19:11, Paul Hopewell  wrote:

Hello, 
Is there anything in the Mac App store which will run on Mountain Lion and 
convert PDF documents containing tables into a form which can be read with 
VoiceOver? 

My bank provides my credit card statement as a PDF file only. It does not read 
correctly with Preview which displays each column in the table separately. 
Using Abbyyy fine reader to create a spreadsheet document does a slightly 
better job displaying the date and description in a table with separate columns 
but alas the amount is in a separate following table. 

So at present I have to start Windows XP under VMWare Fusion and use Adobe 
Acrobat to convert the PDF document into html which then enables Safari to 
correctly read the table. this is all very inconvenient so a Mac only solution 
would be much better. 

Any suggestions? 

Best regards

Paul Hopewell
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Re: Tables in PDF documents

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello Esther and Sarah, 
Many thanks for your replies. I first tried the PDF Converter Free on the Mac 
ASpp store. that only allowed conversion to PPTX format (Office open 
presentation) which did not help. I then tried the free trial download of PDF 
Converter from the wondershare web site. That correctly displayed the table of 
my credit card transactions in all of DOC, RTF and HTML formats. It did not 
correctly display the bill header information about credit limit, minimum 
payment and so on but that does not matter as the following figures are all 
fairly obvious. The main thing is that it did display the transaction details. 
So success and many thanks. 

Paul Hopewell
On 4 Aug 2012, at 06:17, Esther  wrote:

> Hello Paul,
> 
> You might try one of Wondershare's products -- either PDF Converter for Mac 
> or PDF Converter Pro -- in trial mode.  This is a kind of hokey answer, and I 
> wouldn't want to purchase the product ($59.99 or $79.99 for Pro) unless they 
> made some accessibility fixes to their interface.  The conversion seems 
> robust.  What worked for me was using their trial downloads, which are 
> limited to converting 5 pages, to convert from PDF to Rich Text Format.  By 
> default the conversion seems to go to Word (.docx) format, and those seemed 
> to come out as gibberish for me.  HTML worked, and then I tried the 
> conversion to .rtf, which is probably what you will want to use.
> 
> Get one of the trial downloads of either PDF Converter for Mac or PDF 
> Converter Pro from:
> http://www.wondershare.com/pdf-converter/mac/
> If you use the web rotor set to links, and look for "Free trial", you'll get 
> two sets of matches to the free trial downloads for the standard and pro 
> versions: the first set are the standard and pro version links at the bottom 
> of a feature comparison table, and the second set are the summary 
> descriptions for the products with pricing, "trial" and "buy" links at the 
> bottom of the page, again for the standard and pro versions.  (The pro 
> version adds OCR capability).
> 
> The program starts up with a "Wondershare PDF Converter (Unregistered)" 
> window with a scroll area that will populate with your selected files. To run 
> the program use the "File" menu on the menu bar to "Add files" with the 
> Command-L shortcut.  Your selections get loaded into the scroll area of the 
> Wondershare PDF Converter (Unregistered) window, and there's an unlabeled 
> button outside the scroll area that runs the conversion.  However, you can 
> use the shortcuts from the "Convert" menu of Command-R to run or 
> Command-Shift-R to cancel instead doing a VO-Space on that unlabeled button 
> to run the program.  For each file there is an initial "button" that can be 
> pressed to Preview the PDF, and then for the currently selected file there's 
> a second button you can press to specify the conversion format and page 
> range.  However, you can bypass this by pressing Command-F to use the "File 
> Configuration" shortcut from the "File Menu" to bring up the dialog box with 
> the same information.  This lets you specify page range (defaults to "all", 
> but you can customize by typing, for example "1,3,5-8" into the text box), 
> and the format in the pop up menu (e.g. "Rich Text Format").  The check box 
> for "Apply to all" lets you apply the format selection to all files you have 
> loaded into the scroll area to date.  Run the program with Command-R.  Files 
> with similar name but .rtf extension will be placed in the same directory as 
> your selected file.  If you choose HTML, then the converted file is always 
> named index.html.
> 
> This seems to work.  There are paid versions in the Mac App Store, but if you 
> only need to read your bills, you can just use the trial version, which 
> limits you to 5 pages per document.  I'll give you the App Store links:
> • PDF Converter 
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pdf-converter/id414200948?mt=12
> • PDF Converter Pro
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pdf-converter-pro/id422540826?mt=12
> 
> Sarah and others, the issue that Paul has hit is that the PDF versions of 
> tables reads out of order: all the entries from column 1 then all the entries 
> from column 2.  Try printing a PDF version of a table you can read correctly 
> on the web.  When you use Preview or Skim the columns are read out of order.  
> Using the "New TextEdit Window from Selection" service doesn't help: if you 
> start from the HTML version, the TextEdit window will read the table in 
> correct order, but if you start from the PDF version, the conversion in the 
> TextEdit window will read the same way. I tried a few other converters that 
> gave the same behavior.  That's also why I tried converting to HTML, as well 
> with  this program. 
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> On Aug 3, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> I use an app called pdf to text. simply drag the file on to the app in the 
>> apps folder and you have an rtf fil

Re: Installing Lion or Later

[Dean Adams]

HI All,
I used carbon copy cloner to create a bootable usb thumb drive, I have 
the installesd.dmg on my desktop and another copy of it on a backup drive just 
selected the install mac osx mountain  lion.dmg in the source and my thumb 
drive in the target of ccc and off you go it didn't take long to create it at 
all. I did this with the trial version of carbon copy cloner version 3.5.1 you 
need this version to do this with mountain lion.
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On 04/08/2012, at 10:29 AM, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

> As my not so famous saying goes, Oh, why did I not think of that. Yeah go to 
> their internet and then download it via their mac app store signed in  as you 
> of corse, copy the app file to a flash drive and when you get home just use 
> your tools you have in your mac to then make a flash drive, or use that same 
> flash drive and back that app up some ware else in case you need it again.On 
> Aug 3, 2012, at 4:32 PM, chris hallsworth  wrote:
> 
>> Ar, great to hear you can do it via the Apple retail store.
>> - Original Message - From: "Thomas McMahan" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 9:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: Installing Lion or Later
>> 
>> 
>>> Not that I know of, I think they presume everybody has a fast internet or 
>>> can get to an Apple store which I know of a person who does that for his o 
>>> s upgrades because his internet seems to drop it partly through the 
>>> download.
>>> On Aug 3, 2012, at 1:37 PM, "chris hallsworth"  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 You know guys, and this is no disrespect to Apple, but I don't like how 
 they want you to install their software now. I read from their support web 
 pages that an internet connection is required to install Lion or later. 
 Well I have a point. What if you do not have either an ethernet or 
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Repartitioning v clean ml install.

[Danny Noonan]

I know much of this is a general mac rather than adaptive question but as 
adaptive access will probably come into play, I thought I'd ask here before 
going off and doing the research.

I originally had my mbp setup with Lion windows 7 boot camped but 
unfortunately, this being an early 2011 modle, it suffered from bad voltage 
through the usb ports bug so not only did it destroy 
 several thumb drives and 3 usb powered external drives before I worked out 
what was happening, somehow both lion and win7 were corrupted right from 
install so stability slowly died over 6 months until it was unusable and most 
of my data was corrupted.

I took it into the apple store and geniuses told me it needed a fresh install 
of lion but it ended up with 1 partition and no windows. Hence, where I am now.

I want win7 back for a few programs and situations so my question in a nutshell 
is, am I better off if it's even possible to create a second partition on the 
internal drive and then bootcamp windows7 or take the time to backup all data 
etc and fresh install mountain  lion  with 2 partitions from the get go and 
then bootcamp win7.

Are there access issues with either method and if so, how knolagible would the 
eyes helping need to be.

Thanks all and if there are pertinent threads in the archives, I'm more than 
happy to research them.

Kind regards,
Danny:

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Re: Burning ML to SD card.

[Dan Eickmeier]

Yeah, I just used CCC to create mine, and that worked nicely.  
On 2012-08-04, at 4:59 AM, Geoff Waaler  wrote:

> Hi Sarah,
> 
> In the version of CCC dated about a week ago, the source pop-up button 
> includes an option to create a Mountain Lion disk.
> 
> BTW, I used the Partition tab (which was available for the drive volume) to 
> make an empty Guide partition but was still unable to create the installation 
> disk for my SD card via Disk Utility.  It was very easy and straight forward 
> using Carbon Copy  Cloner.
> 
> Thanks again to all who responded, and best regards.
> Geoff
> 
> 
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Sarah Alawami 
>  To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
>  Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 7:34 PM
>  Subject: Re: Burning ML to SD card.
> 
> 
>  Hmm have not tried carbon copy cloner to make an  ml blush drive. I don't 
> have the app on my hd anymore but if I bring it back to the right pace how do 
> I do this? I read the docs but it did not appear to have the option.
> 
>  Take care.
>  On Aug 3, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Esther  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Geoff,
>> 
>> Just to further comment on Gordon's points about the "Partition" tab in Disk 
>> Utility.  I think that to prepare your SD card (or a USB memory stick) for 
>> being a bootable volume, the preferred method is to use the "Partition" tab 
>> and create a new partition, which also deletes existing content in the 
>> process, rather than to use the "Erase" tab.  Most USB thumb drives and SD 
>> media card come formatted for use with FAT32 files for Windows, since Macs 
>> can read these formats. 
>> 
>> The distinction is that when you make a bootable drive for current Macs, you 
>> not only need to specify the format for files (e.g., "Mac OS Extended, 
>> Journaled"), but that you're using a "GUID Partition table" (for an Intel 
>> Mac) vs. an "Apple Partition map" (for an older PowerPC Mac, or for a device 
>> that is not being used as a startup device) vs. a "Master Boot Record" for 
>> devices used to start up DOS or Windows devices, or devices that require 
>> DOS- or Windows-compatible partitions.  
>> 
>> In order to get access to those options, you have to create a new partition 
>> by changing the popup button for the partition layout of your device from 
>> "Current" to "1 partition" (or however many you want).   Then you can assign 
>> name, format, and size to your partition and press the "Options" button to 
>> select one of the three options I described above (GUID, Apple, or MBR).  
>> These changes take effect when you click "Apply".
>> 
>> I believe that Carbon Copy Cloner lets you choose a menu item to "Create a 
>> Mountain Lion Installer", which takes care of all the selection options 
>> automatically, since it assumes you need this as a bootable drive, just as 
>> the default options to use it to make a bootable clone handles this 
>> preparation and the formatting settings.  But it is possible to prep the 
>> drive manually as I described by using the "Partition" tab of Disk Utility 
>> instead of the "Erase" tab.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:32 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Geoff
>>> 
>>> If you look around the dick utility tabs, you'll see a "Partition" tab.  
>>> There is an "Options" button just before the two cancel and "OK" buttons.  
>>> Pressing that will bring up a table of different partition types.  In that 
>>> table just select the "Guide" partition type radio button and click OK.  
>>> Then, click "Apply" and then click "Partition".  Your partition will then 
>>> be created.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
>>> 
>>> On 3 Aug 2012, at 17:06, Geoff Waaler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Esther, Gordon and others,
>>> 
>>> I ordered an 8GB SD card for this purpose before reading that most were 
>>> apparently using a thumb drive, so I don't have an easy way to test USB 
>>> connected media.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps related, but I see no option to specify "guide" as a partition type 
>>> in the delete dialog of Disk Utility.  After more experimentation I decided 
>>> that as Esther suggested, the Lion Disk Utility's "restore" dialog is 
>>> inaccessible for my purposes in that one can not copy or drag the desired 
>>> media to the target field.  I tried opening the "InstallESD.dmg" file and 
>>> selecting the resulting mounted volume, to no avail.
>>> 
>>> I created the desired installation media via CCC, and it appears to boot 
>>> properly, so ML should be installed later today.  It sounds as though the 
>>> recovery tool that Gordon posted would have done the trick as well.
>>> 
>>> Thanks to all for your suggestions and best regards.
>>> Geoff
>>> 
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Re: Burning ML to SD card.

[Geoff Waaler]

Hi Sarah,

In the version of CCC dated about a week ago, the source pop-up button includes 
an option to create a Mountain Lion disk.

BTW, I used the Partition tab (which was available for the drive volume) to 
make an empty Guide partition but was still unable to create the installation 
disk for my SD card via Disk Utility.  It was very easy and straight forward 
using Carbon Copy  Cloner.

Thanks again to all who responded, and best regards.
Geoff


  - Original Message - 
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  To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
  Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 7:34 PM
  Subject: Re: Burning ML to SD card.


  Hmm have not tried carbon copy cloner to make an  ml blush drive. I don't 
have the app on my hd anymore but if I bring it back to the right pace how do I 
do this? I read the docs but it did not appear to have the option.

  Take care.
  On Aug 3, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Esther  wrote:

  > Hi Geoff,
  > 
  > Just to further comment on Gordon's points about the "Partition" tab in 
Disk Utility.  I think that to prepare your SD card (or a USB memory stick) for 
being a bootable volume, the preferred method is to use the "Partition" tab and 
create a new partition, which also deletes existing content in the process, 
rather than to use the "Erase" tab.  Most USB thumb drives and SD media card 
come formatted for use with FAT32 files for Windows, since Macs can read these 
formats. 
  > 
  > The distinction is that when you make a bootable drive for current Macs, 
you not only need to specify the format for files (e.g., "Mac OS Extended, 
Journaled"), but that you're using a "GUID Partition table" (for an Intel Mac) 
vs. an "Apple Partition map" (for an older PowerPC Mac, or for a device that is 
not being used as a startup device) vs. a "Master Boot Record" for devices used 
to start up DOS or Windows devices, or devices that require DOS- or 
Windows-compatible partitions.  
  > 
  > In order to get access to those options, you have to create a new partition 
by changing the popup button for the partition layout of your device from 
"Current" to "1 partition" (or however many you want).   Then you can assign 
name, format, and size to your partition and press the "Options" button to 
select one of the three options I described above (GUID, Apple, or MBR).  These 
changes take effect when you click "Apply".
  > 
  > I believe that Carbon Copy Cloner lets you choose a menu item to "Create a 
Mountain Lion Installer", which takes care of all the selection options 
automatically, since it assumes you need this as a bootable drive, just as the 
default options to use it to make a bootable clone handles this preparation and 
the formatting settings.  But it is possible to prep the drive manually as I 
described by using the "Partition" tab of Disk Utility instead of the "Erase" 
tab.
  > 
  > HTH.  Cheers,
  > 
  > Esther
  > 
  > On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:32 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
  > 
  >> Hi Geoff
  >> 
  >> If you look around the dick utility tabs, you'll see a "Partition" tab.  
There is an "Options" button just before the two cancel and "OK" buttons.  
Pressing that will bring up a table of different partition types.  In that 
table just select the "Guide" partition type radio button and click OK.  Then, 
click "Apply" and then click "Partition".  Your partition will then be created.
  >> 
  >> Gordon
  >> 
  >> On 3 Aug 2012, at 17:06, Geoff Waaler  wrote:
  >> 
  >> Hi Esther, Gordon and others,
  >> 
  >> I ordered an 8GB SD card for this purpose before reading that most were 
apparently using a thumb drive, so I don't have an easy way to test USB 
connected media.
  >> 
  >> Perhaps related, but I see no option to specify "guide" as a partition 
type in the delete dialog of Disk Utility.  After more experimentation I 
decided that as Esther suggested, the Lion Disk Utility's "restore" dialog is 
inaccessible for my purposes in that one can not copy or drag the desired media 
to the target field.  I tried opening the "InstallESD.dmg" file and selecting 
the resulting mounted volume, to no avail.
  >> 
  >> I created the desired installation media via CCC, and it appears to boot 
properly, so ML should be installed later today.  It sounds as though the 
recovery tool that Gordon posted would have done the trick as well.
  >> 
  >> Thanks to all for your suggestions and best regards.
  >> Geoff
  >> 
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