RE: captcha

[Roger Firman]

Hello,

I expect all or most of us have had a range of experiences with captcha
from the terrible audio which is solved more by luck if at all, to the
more friendly versions. I came across one such system which asked for
the answer to a simple addition question.

I can't believe that there aren't better ways of achieving the same
outcome but without captcha.

Roger.

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Re: A couple of finder questions

[Phil Halton]

I believe they are just folders that "spring" open when you hover the mouse 
over them - nothing the blind would be interested in. I had the same 
question and turned to the help center for the answer. That's one of the 
things I'm starting to like about the Mac. It has a very thorough and fully 
accessible help system.


- Original Message - 
From: "Kristeen Hughes" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:02 PM
Subject: A couple of finder questions


What are spring-loaded folders. I have long wondered this and haven't 
found an answer. Also, I haven't seen anyone else post this, but since 
upgrading to ML, I cannot see all of my folders and files if I'm looking 
across the network. For example, I have a huge music folder on one of my 
Macs and a huge books folder on the other. On the Mac where the folder 
actually exists, I can see its full contents, but on one Mac looking at 
the other, I can only see the first 494 items. I have looked in the finder 
preferences and the system preferences, but if there's something I'm 
supposed to see there, I'm missing it.

Kristeen Hughes
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Skype: lostonsylvane



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Re: turning on voice over automatically on the start up screen

[Thomas McMahan]

Check in the log in items with accounts.  Think it might be there.  

On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:29 PM, Mike Maslo  wrote:

> hi list:
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> I was wondering if someone could please tell me how to have voice over turn 
> on automatically at the start up screen?
> 
> I looked in the voice over utilities but it was not there nor did I see it in 
> system preferences.
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Re: gmail empty messages

[Sarah Alawami]

go to the horizantal splitter just before the preview pain, route the mouce to 
the vo with vo cmd f5 then double click the physical mouse.

Tc.

On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:48, Shaun Oliver  wrote:

> how does one hide the preview pain?
> 
> On 15/08/2012, at 2:53 AM, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> 
>> soudns like gmail beeing slow. it always has been that way. try not showing 
>> the preview pain and that might solve the problem. It did for me.
>> 
>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:00, Mark Furness  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have been getting a lot of empty messages on my gmail account.
>>> It says it is still downloading.
>>> The subject line and who it is from is there in the headers but nothing in 
>>> the actual message.
>>> Is this vo not reading what is there or gmail messing up?
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Re: skype

[Sarah Alawami]

Then the simple solution, ok sort of simple, is to turn off curser tracking and 
when you hear the sound just vo shift end to the bottom. you won't loose your 
place at all in the message window. Not exactly ideal but it works.

I don't knwo of any easier way, or any other way for that matter. Maybe clisk 
might do it but you have to be in the terminal window to hear it.

Take care.

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> hmmm. that's interesting, if Skype doesn't have focus, it might read incoming 
> messages, but, I think this person is looking for a way for them to be read 
> while they're in a Skype window.
> not something I've found yet either and I already have those notifications 
> ticked.
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>> go to skype prefs and notification. Under messages in the pop up button, 
>> then in the box that says speak incoming message check that. It shoudl work. 
>> I dont like that personally but there ya go.
>> 
>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 14:55, "mike"  wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I got skype to work so far but is their a way to get it to tell me who is
>>> online and read incoming messages? Also if anyone has any special settings
>>> that they set to make it work better can you please share thanks much
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iPeng App: How Versatile Can The Logitech Squeezebox Get?

[Dane Trethowan]

I guess the answer to this question is the more you play with Logitech 
Squeezebox components - and in particular the IOS apps and the web interface 
then the more versatile the system becomes.

I'm not going to cover the physical Logitech devices in this email rather I'd 
like to focus on the excellent iPeng and iPeng HD apps available for IOS.

Not only do these apps present a superb interface for controlling your Logitech 
Squeezebox devices but they offer you that little bit "Extra", if one looks in 
the "Extras" menu then they will find an option to purchase the iPeng Player.

This player simulates a Logitech Squeezebox device such as a Boom, Radio, Duet 
or touch.

You can connect the simulation player to the Logitech Squeezebox server or your 
own Logitech Media server in the same way you would for one of the devices 
listed above and control it thus.

You can even set the simulation player up in much the same way, set alarms, 
customise the menu system, control the audio with bass, treble and volume etc.

Added to this is the ability to stream the iPeng player to "Airplay" compatible 
devices which really makes the extra few dollars in the purchase of the iPeng 
simulation Squeezebox Player really worth the while.

So now, users can buy the iPeng package for very little cost and literally try 
out what the Logitech Squeezebox system offers and without the cost of a 
"Stand-Alone" Logitech Squeezebox device.


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A couple of finder questions

[Kristeen Hughes]

What are spring-loaded folders. I have long wondered this and haven't found an 
answer. Also, I haven't seen anyone else post this, but since upgrading to ML, 
I cannot see all of my folders and files if I'm looking across the network. For 
example, I have a huge music folder on one of my Macs and a huge books folder 
on the other. On the Mac where the folder actually exists, I can see its full 
contents, but on one Mac looking at the other, I can only see the first 494 
items. I have looked in the finder preferences and the system preferences, but 
if there's something I'm supposed to see there, I'm missing it.
Kristeen Hughes
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Skype: lostonsylvane



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RE: skype

[mike]

I was looking for both if possibal. I am getting a mac book pro but have one
on lone from a friend who has the pro and the air and uses his air more so
let me use his pro. I was trying to figure all this out lol

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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:51 AM
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Subject: Re: skype

hmmm. that's interesting, if Skype doesn't have focus, it might read
incoming messages, but, I think this person is looking for a way for them to
be read while they're in a Skype window.
not something I've found yet either and I already have those notifications
ticked.

On 15/08/2012, at 3:01 AM, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

> go to skype prefs and notification. Under messages in the pop up button,
then in the box that says speak incoming message check that. It shoudl work.
I dont like that personally but there ya go.
> 
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 14:55, "mike"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I got skype to work so far but is their a way to get it to tell me 
>> who is online and read incoming messages? Also if anyone has any 
>> special settings that they set to make it work better can you please 
>> share thanks much
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RE: problems on the train line

[Roger Firman]

William,

This is not a particularly wonderful website, in my experience. Just a
suggestion, it might be worth giving it a try at different times to see
if it possibly could work better if less busy. I know one is not likely
to know for sure when exactly that might be but only a thought. It does
work of a kind under that other operating system, I've just tried it but
it is not exactly wonderfully user-friendly.

Regards,

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Re: gmail empty messages

[Shaun Oliver]

how does one hide the preview pain?

On 15/08/2012, at 2:53 AM, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

> soudns like gmail beeing slow. it always has been that way. try not showing 
> the preview pain and that might solve the problem. It did for me.
> 
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:00, Mark Furness  wrote:
> 
>> I have been getting a lot of empty messages on my gmail account.
>> It says it is still downloading.
>> The subject line and who it is from is there in the headers but nothing in 
>> the actual message.
>> Is this vo not reading what is there or gmail messing up?
>> 
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Re: skype

[Shaun Oliver]

hmmm. that's interesting, if Skype doesn't have focus, it might read incoming 
messages, but, I think this person is looking for a way for them to be read 
while they're in a Skype window.
not something I've found yet either and I already have those notifications 
ticked.

On 15/08/2012, at 3:01 AM, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

> go to skype prefs and notification. Under messages in the pop up button, then 
> in the box that says speak incoming message check that. It shoudl work. I 
> dont like that personally but there ya go.
> 
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 14:55, "mike"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I got skype to work so far but is their a way to get it to tell me who is
>> online and read incoming messages? Also if anyone has any special settings
>> that they set to make it work better can you please share thanks much
>> 
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problems on the train line

[william lomas]

hi does anyone in the UK use
www.thetrainline.co.uk
to book tickets?
when on the mac in ML i get my journey up and click the supposedly screenreader 
friendly ticket version of the results i can't move on. i click the price but 
then nothing happening
looks like a widows job again sigh 
and safari supposedly the best browser and all this nonsence?

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Re: Considering Mac, questions about Voiceover/access

[Phil Halton]

Catherine, Just a follow-up to my earlier post. I suggest you also check out 
the very well done podcasts at

www.htb2.com

This man recently lost his eyesight in afganistan and now uses Macs to great 
effect. His casts are very positive, helpful and well-done.


He covers subjects like web surfing with Safari (an excellent and easy to 
use web browser on the Mac)


and many other topics of interest to blind mac users.

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Re: Considering Mac, questions about Voiceover/access

[Phil Halton]

Hello Catherine,
I just bought my first iMac two weeks ago. You sound remarkably like me in 
terms of your computer usage. My experience thus far has been:


VO is quite a sophisticated little screen reader, but it is quite a 
different animal from JAWS. Reading, I mean really reading the VO online 
manual is a must along with alot of hands-on experimenting as you read. 
Fortunately, there is alot of help available including the keyboard help 
mode and other built-in VO help.




As far as word processing, I've just messed around with the built-in 
TextEdit program a bit to get familiar with reading and manipulating text, 
but I do know that font and format info is easily available through VO.


Spreadsheets: I'll be very interested in any response you get on this one 
from more experienced Mac users as I use Excel heavily on the PC also, but 
haven't got down to business with them yet on the iMac.


Scanning also is an area I use on the PC, but haven't checked into yet on 
the Mac. Although, I'm fairly sure there's good access to scanning in the 
Mac world with VO.


Sound editting - yes! the built in GarageBand has quite a learning curve but 
allows good editting capabilities. There is also a number of other good, 
perhaps more easily learned audio editors as well.


What I've done is set up the iMac next to my PC, and with the PC, I read the 
manuals and then experiment with the info on the iMac. I'm transitioning 
slowly because I can't afford to go cold turkey off the PC - I don't have 
the time it would take. Instead, I bought the iMac with the idea of taking 
my time and slowly getting familiar with its basic functioning without the 
pressure of having to get up to speed right away.


I suggest you read the VO getting started guide a bit before getting your 
Mac. The following link is a good jumping off point


www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/

Read through that page, then follow the downloads link

www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/downloads.html

in that page you'll find a link to the VoiceOver getting started guide along 
with links to charts of VO's keyboard command set.


Good luck! I am not sorry I bought a Mac, but I feel like a fish out of 
water sometimes, though I'm learning new stuff on it everyday. I felt the 
same way when I got my first iPhone though, and now I'm very happy and 
productive with it - I feel sure the same will happen with the iMac.




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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:48 AM
Subject: Considering Mac, questions about Voiceover/access



Hi all,

I don't have a Mac at the moment but am considering getting one and
have some questions about Voiceover and general Mac access which I
wonder if people could help me with?

1.  With word processing, is VO able to give font/formatting information?

2.  I use spreadsheets a fair bit and databases a little.  I currently
use Excel with JAWS and quite often monitor certain cells so I can at
a keystroke find out what's in them.  Does anyone here do anything
similar on Mac?  How configurable is VO when working in spreadsheets
e.g. is there a keystroke for reading a column total and can you set
which row the total is in either in VO or the spreadsheet program?

3.  Scanning/OCR - what are people using for this?  How do you find it
and what sort of things do you scan?

4.  Sound editing and MIDI - I do a fair bit of sound editing in wave
format, currently in Goldwave.  I haven't started doing any MIDI yet
but hope to in the future.  So I don't know much about the MIDI but am
just wondering if anyone is doing any Mac and what you use, how you're
finding it.

If anyone has any comments/feedback on the above questions that'd be
great.  Or if anyone here has switched from Windows to Mac and has any
other observations I'd be interested in hearing them.

Thanks,
Catherine
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Re: Considering Mac, questions about Voiceover/access

[Mike Arrigo]

I do most of my web browsing on the mac. It is different than windows, 
you generally move item by item, the mac does things differently than 
windows, and keeping this in mind should make things easier.

Original message:

I have recently switched from Windows to Mac - JAWS12 to VoiceOver.


Word Processing - very disappointing as I use Tables extensively.  
Pages is slow loading and getting into editing quite tiresome.  I am 
finding it difficult to get used to "interacting" with this and that.


I still find web browsing rather finicky as you have to use a number of 
ways to access it:  turning NavKeys on/off;  using the ItemUser and the 
inability to cursoring vertically rather irksome.


For scanning purposes I use the ReadIt wand (which works very well) 
but, funnily enough, for this I have to use  VM to  virtualise the 
Windows platform!



I have not yet used Numbers (for spreadsheet work) : so cannot comment.


On the positive side:  this list is a good place to be as people are 
very helpful in their informed responses.



Good luck!!




On 15 Aug 2012, at 09:48, Catherine Turner wrote:



Hi all,



I don't have a Mac at the moment but am considering getting one and
have some questions about Voiceover and general Mac access which I
wonder if people could help me with?



1.  With word processing, is VO able to give font/formatting information?



2.  I use spreadsheets a fair bit and databases a little.  I currently
use Excel with JAWS and quite often monitor certain cells so I can at
a keystroke find out what's in them.  Does anyone here do anything
similar on Mac?  How configurable is VO when working in spreadsheets
e.g. is there a keystroke for reading a column total and can you set
which row the total is in either in VO or the spreadsheet program?



3.  Scanning/OCR - what are people using for this?  How do you find it
and what sort of things do you scan?



4.  Sound editing and MIDI - I do a fair bit of sound editing in wave
format, currently in Goldwave.  I haven't started doing any MIDI yet
but hope to in the future.  So I don't know much about the MIDI but am
just wondering if anyone is doing any Mac and what you use, how you're
finding it.



If anyone has any comments/feedback on the above questions that'd be
great.  Or if anyone here has switched from Windows to Mac and has any
other observations I'd be interested in hearing them.



Thanks,
Catherine
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RE: Considering Mac, questions about Voiceover/access

[David Griffith]

1. Yes Voiceover is able to give font information.
There is a learning curve to word processing on the Mac, including getting
used to different cursor behaviour . You can set up the Mac so that
Voiceover behaves like windows screen readers when cursoring or editing text
but this creates other problems and it is best to learn the Mac way of doing
things I found.
The Mac is perfectly fine for most levels of word Processing and free
options will give you most of what you need.
The one serious game stopper is the inability of Voiceover to read Tables in
Word documents.
 There are various clunky work around including converting the table into
text and reading and handling tables in Numbers but if you need to use
tables seriously for work or study  you will probably find that you need to
retain a Windows platform for that.  This is what I have had to do as I
constantly read or use Tables  for study purposes.  proper table recognition
and a full range of table reading commands are essential for me.  For
example the last chapter of my thesis contained 10 tables and it is my
biggest accessibility concern for the Mac.
However by using VM Fusion you can have a good Windows option within the Mac
which you can switch to fairly instantly. You will need a copy of windows on
CD to install and a key that will register as well as VM Fusion so this does
add cost.
3. Scanning. I use EyePal on the Mac. this work well but is very expensive
and it is not at all certain that this will be usable under Mountain Lion.
Other people have used  Abbey Finereader and Vue Scan with apparently good
results. If I can afford it I am considering switching to docuscan and
Hovercam combination for the Mac.
4. Sound editing- I believe that this is where the Mac really comes into its
own  with free and purchased high quality options available. I do not
currently use these.

There are many other things to like about the Mac. I much prefer Finder over
Windows Explorer  and every time I move to Windows I miss column view which
makes navigation a breeze. 
Voiceover is also more stable alongside a more stable Mac. Voiceover is more
key intensive than many Windows equivalent commands but using Numpad
Commander greatly  simplifies tings.
There are also a whole range of accessibility options available through
gestures which are not available on windows but again I  do not use these.
David Griffith


2.  Spreadsheets. I bought numbers but did not find it at all intuitive to
use. I have heard on this list that Tables  is a  more familiar experience
for people switching from Excel. I do not have the time currently to learn
numbers so have stuck with Excel in Windows for the time being. Numbers will
almost certainly do all that you need to do but just warning that it will
take some effort.



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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Catherine Turner
Sent: 15 August 2012 09:48
To: mac-access@mac-access.net
Subject: Considering Mac, questions about Voiceover/access

Hi all,

I don't have a Mac at the moment but am considering getting one and
have some questions about Voiceover and general Mac access which I
wonder if people could help me with?

1.  With word processing, is VO able to give font/formatting information?

2.  I use spreadsheets a fair bit and databases a little.  I currently
use Excel with JAWS and quite often monitor certain cells so I can at
a keystroke find out what's in them.  Does anyone here do anything
similar on Mac?  How configurable is VO when working in spreadsheets
e.g. is there a keystroke for reading a column total and can you set
which row the total is in either in VO or the spreadsheet program?

3.  Scanning/OCR - what are people using for this?  How do you find it
and what sort of things do you scan?

4.  Sound editing and MIDI - I do a fair bit of sound editing in wave
format, currently in Goldwave.  I haven't started doing any MIDI yet
but hope to in the future.  So I don't know much about the MIDI but am
just wondering if anyone is doing any Mac and what you use, how you're
finding it.

If anyone has any comments/feedback on the above questions that'd be
great.  Or if anyone here has switched from Windows to Mac and has any
other observations I'd be interested in hearing them.

Thanks,
Catherine
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Re: Considering Mac, questions about Voiceover/access

[Christo Thiardt]

I have recently switched from Windows to Mac - JAWS12 to VoiceOver.

Word Processing - very disappointing as I use Tables extensively.  Pages is 
slow loading and getting into editing quite tiresome.  I am finding it 
difficult to get used to "interacting" with this and that.

I still find web browsing rather finicky as you have to use a number of ways to 
access it:  turning NavKeys on/off;  using the ItemUser and the inability to 
cursoring vertically rather irksome.

For scanning purposes I use the ReadIt wand (which works very well) but, 
funnily enough, for this I have to use  VM to  virtualise the Windows platform!

I have not yet used Numbers (for spreadsheet work) : so cannot comment.

On the positive side:  this list is a good place to be as people are very 
helpful in their informed responses.

Good luck!!


On 15 Aug 2012, at 09:48, Catherine Turner wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I don't have a Mac at the moment but am considering getting one and
> have some questions about Voiceover and general Mac access which I
> wonder if people could help me with?
> 
> 1.  With word processing, is VO able to give font/formatting information?
> 
> 2.  I use spreadsheets a fair bit and databases a little.  I currently
> use Excel with JAWS and quite often monitor certain cells so I can at
> a keystroke find out what's in them.  Does anyone here do anything
> similar on Mac?  How configurable is VO when working in spreadsheets
> e.g. is there a keystroke for reading a column total and can you set
> which row the total is in either in VO or the spreadsheet program?
> 
> 3.  Scanning/OCR - what are people using for this?  How do you find it
> and what sort of things do you scan?
> 
> 4.  Sound editing and MIDI - I do a fair bit of sound editing in wave
> format, currently in Goldwave.  I haven't started doing any MIDI yet
> but hope to in the future.  So I don't know much about the MIDI but am
> just wondering if anyone is doing any Mac and what you use, how you're
> finding it.
> 
> If anyone has any comments/feedback on the above questions that'd be
> great.  Or if anyone here has switched from Windows to Mac and has any
> other observations I'd be interested in hearing them.
> 
> Thanks,
> Catherine
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> mac-access@mac-access.net
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Considering Mac, questions about Voiceover/access

[Catherine Turner]

Hi all,

I don't have a Mac at the moment but am considering getting one and
have some questions about Voiceover and general Mac access which I
wonder if people could help me with?

1.  With word processing, is VO able to give font/formatting information?

2.  I use spreadsheets a fair bit and databases a little.  I currently
use Excel with JAWS and quite often monitor certain cells so I can at
a keystroke find out what's in them.  Does anyone here do anything
similar on Mac?  How configurable is VO when working in spreadsheets
e.g. is there a keystroke for reading a column total and can you set
which row the total is in either in VO or the spreadsheet program?

3.  Scanning/OCR - what are people using for this?  How do you find it
and what sort of things do you scan?

4.  Sound editing and MIDI - I do a fair bit of sound editing in wave
format, currently in Goldwave.  I haven't started doing any MIDI yet
but hope to in the future.  So I don't know much about the MIDI but am
just wondering if anyone is doing any Mac and what you use, how you're
finding it.

If anyone has any comments/feedback on the above questions that'd be
great.  Or if anyone here has switched from Windows to Mac and has any
other observations I'd be interested in hearing them.

Thanks,
Catherine
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