Re: Help getting into status and extra menus?

[Catherine Turner]

Hi Colin,

Marvellous, thank you.  I wonder how you discovered that keystroke in
the first place?  It's a pity the manual doesn't mention it, at least
I haven't found it so far and it should be mentioned in the section
about the extras.  So glad I have this helpful list to call on.

Thanks,
Catherine

On 1/6/13, Red.Falcon  wrote:
> Hi there!
> there is 2 ways to get there!
> 1, VO+MM that is M twice!
> 2, Or Control+f8 will take you there!
> Also Control+f2 will take you to the menu bar like VO+M does!
> hth Colin
>
> On 5 Jan 2013, at 23:13, Catherine Turner
>  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can anyone tell me how I get into the status menus?  The voiceover
>> manual refers to them and I can get into the menu bar but don't find
>> any status menus by cursoring left and right either with just cursors
>> or VO cursors.  I used the trackpad and then found "extras",
>> notifications etc but they seem to close as soon as I touch them.
>> Should I be able to get to the status menus etc without using the
>> trackpad?  For example I'd like to find out how much battery power is
>> left, what the time is etc.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Catherine
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Re: iTunes 11

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Gordon,

I find that the search box is only useful if I'm looking for a song and don't 
know the title except for a word or two. Otherwise, I click the Songs button 
and navigate down to where the Browser is. There, I interact and navigate to 
the column that interests me (Genre, Artist or album) and type in a few 
letters. When I find what I want, I stop interacting and navigate down to the 
Songs table.

Cheers,

Anne


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Re: iTunes 11

[Josh Gregory]

Yeah, that is what I meant… I guess dictation kind of messed that up,:-) I See 
what you  mean about downgrading. :-)

Send from my iPhone

On Jan 6, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> hi Josh
> 
> Sorry, pressing what?  Command+Option+ what was that supposed to be?  I think 
> you may have made a typo there. :)
> 
> I'll try Command+Option+S, in case that was what you meant.  As for 
> downgrading, I'd love too!  But that would involve rebuilding my library over 
> again because the format changed I believe with iTunes 11.  Besides which, if 
> I just dump the interface now, I will be forever curious as to whether in 
> time I grew to like it.  I don't believe in downgrading unless there are 
> really compelling reasons to do so.  Thanks.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 7 Jan 2013, at 03:54, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
> What about pressing command plus option plus us to hide the status bar or I 
> think that's what it does? That should bring up the table things. I do know 
> someone however, that went back to iTunes 10.7 because they were unhappy 
> about the fact that they took out the power search, and reading in the Apple 
> support website I see that a lot of people have done the same…
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 6, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Gordon Smith  wrote:
> 
>> It would be very interesting to hear how people are finding the interface as 
>> far as easy navigation with VoiceOver is concerned.  Also, a description of 
>> the methodology behind it would be quite useful.
>> 
>> Not that this is really related, and it is most definitely not in any way a 
>> dig, or a criticism or a negative comment.  But I often notice that some of 
>> the people commenting on these items are using Windows for mail if nothing 
>> else.  Again, it isn't really important, it's just something I notice.  I 
>> just wonder sometimes why people do that.  But, of course, it's each to 
>> their own.  And it is true to say that some people do it out of necessity as 
>> they are required to use Windows at work.
>> 
>> Anyway, there we are.  I guess it's each to their own.  But even now after 
>> being forced to tolerate the new interface, I cannot honestly say I have 
>> found anything about it which justifies the change, nor can I say I've found 
>> anything about it which I like.
>> :)
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:25, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand 
>> the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a 
>> very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also 
>> helped a good deal.
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Re: Deleting Time Machine Backups?

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I wouldn't. I would wait until it decided to clean itself up when it runs out 
of space. I like to play it very safe most of the time.

Good luck.
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> Just a quick question: Is it safe to delete a time machine backup off my 
> External hard drive? If it is, how do I go about this?
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Re: iTunes 11

[Gordon Smith]

hi Josh

Sorry, pressing what?  Command+Option+ what was that supposed to be?  I think 
you may have made a typo there. :)

I'll try Command+Option+S, in case that was what you meant.  As for 
downgrading, I'd love too!  But that would involve rebuilding my library over 
again because the format changed I believe with iTunes 11.  Besides which, if I 
just dump the interface now, I will be forever curious as to whether in time I 
grew to like it.  I don't believe in downgrading unless there are really 
compelling reasons to do so.  Thanks.

Gordon

On 7 Jan 2013, at 03:54, Josh Gregory  wrote:

What about pressing command plus option plus us to hide the status bar or I 
think that's what it does? That should bring up the table things. I do know 
someone however, that went back to iTunes 10.7 because they were unhappy about 
the fact that they took out the power search, and reading in the Apple support 
website I see that a lot of people have done the same…

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 6, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> It would be very interesting to hear how people are finding the interface as 
> far as easy navigation with VoiceOver is concerned.  Also, a description of 
> the methodology behind it would be quite useful.
> 
> Not that this is really related, and it is most definitely not in any way a 
> dig, or a criticism or a negative comment.  But I often notice that some of 
> the people commenting on these items are using Windows for mail if nothing 
> else.  Again, it isn't really important, it's just something I notice.  I 
> just wonder sometimes why people do that.  But, of course, it's each to their 
> own.  And it is true to say that some people do it out of necessity as they 
> are required to use Windows at work.
> 
> Anyway, there we are.  I guess it's each to their own.  But even now after 
> being forced to tolerate the new interface, I cannot honestly say I have 
> found anything about it which justifies the change, nor can I say I've found 
> anything about it which I like.
> :)
> Gordon
> 
> On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:25, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand 
> the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a 
> very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also 
> helped a good deal.
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Re: iTunes 11

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Zack

My negative comments reflect my disappointment, to be honest.  But let me be 
absolutely clear that I am aware that people are trying to be helpful and yes, 
it is appreciated.

OK, let me try to make this a little clear.  I am typing a search string into 
the search bar.  Then, I try navigating the screen using the VoiceOver 
navigation commands.  I just sen to get stuck in the same dialogue all the time 
and nothing resembling my search appears to be displayed even though I know for 
an absolute fact that it exists.

OK, let me be a little more concise.  In my library, I have several albums 
named "Now That's What I Call Music", with different numbers for each album.  
OK, so I make sure that the "Albums" radio button is highlighted.  Then, I typ 
into the search bar:
"Now That's What I Call Music", (without the quotes).  You may notice if you 
have Braille that I am exact as far as case is concerned.  The albums exist and 
sometimes, I get lucky and land on the album I want.  OK, so I hear "Album 
Grid".  I try to interact with that "Album Grid", but I don't get the track 
information.  Again, sometimes if I'm lucky I might land on the track list.  
But as yet, I cannot figure out what I do when this happens, it seems to be 
random.

I'm sorry if I come across as negative.  I really don't mean to be negative.  
You are aware, I believe, that I am very committed to Apple's products, and I'm 
a staunch supporter of what Apple is doing.  You and I, Zack, have both been 
part of other forums where this commitment is an essential.  But I'm not going 
to say that everything is terrific if it isn't, just because it's Apple.  And 
to be clear, that is in no way a personal comment aimed at anybody.  I am 
merely making my position clear.  it may be, in the fullness of time, that I 
grow accustomed to the new interface.  It may be that I even come to like it.  
That has happened before with other things and I'm sure it will happen again.  
So given the scenario I quoted above, where am I going wrong?

Gordon

On 7 Jan 2013, at 03:43, Zachary Kline  wrote:

That noise you hear his voice over indicating that a popover has emerged, with 
autocomplete options. If you use the voiceover navigation keys to explore the 
screen, you will find a list of possible completions of your search in a table. 
Can you provide specific things you're having trouble doing? I read your 
negative comments on iTunes and am quite discouraged, as it seems that people 
are trying to help you as best they can. So what, specifically, are you trying 
to accomplish, and finding so frustrating?
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Re: Pictures

[Gordon Smith]

Actually Lynn tried this, but it's quite difficult to get the perfect picture.  
But in any event, we've decided not to do what we were going to do.  Apple and 
their jealously guarded intellectual property rights has been mentioned to us 
so we're playing it safe.

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On 5 Jan 2013, at 17:10, Glenn  wrote:

It may be easiest to take your own, or recruit list members to send in 
photos of their devices.
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Re: jaws or nvda after installing vmware and windows

[Gordon Smith]

Hello Lyn

you are quite correct.  Windows talk, even by innuendo, is off topic for this 
list. Please plea adhere to the policy document which everybody was sent when 
they joined.  If you didn't read it, then it's always available to read at 
http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/Mac-Access-Welcome.html so ignorance is not an excuse.

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On 4 Jan 2013, at 19:10, Lyn & her faithful furry friends 
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> Sorry to step in but this is not a windows related list. I am one of those 
> members who get tired of hearing windows talk on a mac list. I joined to 
> learn about the mac and Apple.  Sorry about this Gordon and Lynne

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Re: jaws or nvda after installing vmware and windows

[Gordon Smith]

This is off topic for this group.  We're only about OS X and iOS.

On 4 Jan 2013, at 18:55, Melissa Tucker  wrote:

what are your preferences?  I need to read up on all material before I complete 
this project.  I don't want to get stuck as the mac is the only working 
computer I have right now.  thanks.
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Re: iTunes 11

[Gordon Smith]

Hum!  That doesn't work here.  If I type into the search box and get the 
horrific racket, pressing right arrow just takes me to the end of the input 
field.  If I VoiceOver+Right arrow, I land on the radio button which always 
defaults to "Albums" as the active control.  So clearly I'm doing something 
wrong here.

On 2 Jan 2013, at 20:51, cait furness  wrote:

Gordon,
If you're looking for music in your library, you can type in what you're 
looking for, then hit the right arrow and find the results in a table.
Oh, first I made sure the songs button was selected, although I really don't 
know if this is necessary or not.  I just tried this to make double sure it 
works.  You can either right arrow or vo right arrow over to the results once 
you put in your search quarry into the box.  I looked for all my Enya stuff, 
for example, and it brought up the first four things, then there was a button 
for 85 more things.

hth,
Caitlyn

On 2013-01-02, at 3:02 PM, Gordon & Lynne  
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> Hi Zack
> 
> OK, perhaps one of these people who say they like the interface better now 
> might care to explain how one would do things like search for items.  When I 
> tried that, it failed to find the item even though I knew it was present in 
> my library.
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> On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:31, Zachary Kline  wrote:
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> Hi,
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> dreadful without fair examination. One of the things I've noticed about 
> VoiceOver as I've used it this past year is that it tends to make it possible 
> for two people to have utterly different user experiences, based purely on 
> the techniques they employ. I favor interacting whenever possible, and 
> embracing the "groups of objects," metaphor which Apple seems to encourage. 
> Is this necessarily the most efficient way to go about things? Probably not. 
> However, it suffices for me, and I find the new interface more than workable. 
> I wouldn't consider using any alternative media player myself.
> As for locating tracks in the library, I tend to use the search box, but the 
> radio buttons are certainly another option. Think of them as very much like 
> the row of buttons at the bottom of your iPhone music player. They might 
> actually resemble an iPad interface more than the iPhone, for all I know.
> YOurs,
> Zack.
> On Jan 2, 2013, at 10:25 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:
> 
>> I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand 
>> the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a 
>> very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also 
>> helped a good deal.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Gordon Smith" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:31 AM
>> Subject: iTunes 11
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with 
>>> iTunes 11.  My first impressions, and this view could well change over 
>>> time, is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user. 
>>>  Unless I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around 
>>> with all of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track 
>>> in the library?  When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the "Play" 
>>> button, it started playing on my iPad.  That was not at all what I expected 
>>> to find.  To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is 
>>> perfectly possible, I think this year may see me join the ever increasing 
>>> number of people who are using alternative audio and media players on their 
>>> Macs.
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Re: Mac Windows and JAWS

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Hi

VoiceOver does not work within your virtual machine.  you need your usual 
assistive tools.  But I personally would not recommend Parallels, as it isn't 
VoiceOver-Friendly at all so you wouldn't be able to configure the interface.  
Nor would I recommend Boot Camp, as that would be wasteful and tedious because 
you'd have to keep rebooting the machine when you wanted to switch operating 
systems.  I would recommend VMWare Fusion 5, which is both accessible and 
reasonably priced.  it also will allow you to create dynamic disks which, as 
long as you take the time to configure it properly, can save you a lot of 
headaches later.  Dynamic disks have advantages and disadvantages.  But for 
most applications you'll find them to be just the job if you set it up right.  
Personally I always found the default Fusion configuration for a virtual 
machine to be very poor, and I get better performance from the virtual machines 
if I take the time and trouble to tweak the configuration before insta
 ll which save yu having to activate Windows two or three times.

Gordon

On 2 Jan 2013, at 20:26, Todd  wrote:

If you use parallels to set up windows on the Mac, can you still use Voiceover 
or do you have to use JAWS when switching to windows?  Does Bootcamp work 
better then parallels or are they the same? I'm just trying to eliminate a 
second computer while I make the transition to the Mac mini.

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Re: iTunes 11

[Josh Gregory]

What about pressing command plus option plus us to hide the status bar or I 
think that's what it does? That should bring up the table things. I do know 
someone however, that went back to iTunes 10.7 because they were unhappy about 
the fact that they took out the power search, and reading in the Apple support 
website I see that a lot of people have done the same…

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 6, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> It would be very interesting to hear how people are finding the interface as 
> far as easy navigation with VoiceOver is concerned.  Also, a description of 
> the methodology behind it would be quite useful.
> 
> Not that this is really related, and it is most definitely not in any way a 
> dig, or a criticism or a negative comment.  But I often notice that some of 
> the people commenting on these items are using Windows for mail if nothing 
> else.  Again, it isn't really important, it's just something I notice.  I 
> just wonder sometimes why people do that.  But, of course, it's each to their 
> own.  And it is true to say that some people do it out of necessity as they 
> are required to use Windows at work.
> 
> Anyway, there we are.  I guess it's each to their own.  But even now after 
> being forced to tolerate the new interface, I cannot honestly say I have 
> found anything about it which justifies the change, nor can I say I've found 
> anything about it which I like.
> :)
> Gordon
> 
> On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:25, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand 
> the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a 
> very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also 
> helped a good deal.
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Re: iTunes 11

[Gordon Smith]

OK, well I'm way behind on mail.  But as of now, I still cannot find any quick 
ways of accomplishing the tasks I used to be able to accomplish quickly with 
iTunes 10 and earlier.  I found your comment regarding VoiceOver and 
interacting quite interesting.  Most of the time, I personally try to use the 
operating system's shortcuts rather than those provided by VoiceOver.  For 
instance, I always use Control+F3 to bring  the dock into focus.  however, yes, 
I concede that there are times when interacting is useful.  I just sometimes 
find it slow.  That said, when working with my iTunes library in iTunes 10, I 
did certainly see advantages with interacting and other VoiceOver functions.  
In iTunes 11, however, I really cannot find anything good to say about it at 
this point.  I can, of course, use the radio buttons and other controls.  But 
let me give you an example, perhaps you can provide the solution I am missing 
and that may enable me to become more familiar with this new layou
 t.  If you highlight an album, how do you then move quickly to the album's 
contents?  I tried VoiceOver+J and VoiceOver+Command+J amongst other things, 
but so far I've had no luck.  The same is true of playlists.  When typing into 
the search bar, all I hear is a most disgusting racket which I find most 
disconcerting.  Can that dreadful din be silenced?  Just a couple of questions 
to start off with.

Gordon

On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:31, Zachary Kline  wrote:

Hi,
I agree. It's important to give it time, and not dismiss the whole project as 
dreadful without fair examination. One of the things I've noticed about 
VoiceOver as I've used it this past year is that it tends to make it possible 
for two people to have utterly different user experiences, based purely on the 
techniques they employ. I favor interacting whenever possible, and embracing 
the "groups of objects," metaphor which Apple seems to encourage. Is this 
necessarily the most efficient way to go about things? Probably not. However, 
it suffices for me, and I find the new interface more than workable. I wouldn't 
consider using any alternative media player myself.
As for locating tracks in the library, I tend to use the search box, but the 
radio buttons are certainly another option. Think of them as very much like the 
row of buttons at the bottom of your iPhone music player. They might actually 
resemble an iPad interface more than the iPhone, for all I know.
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Re: iTunes 11

[Gordon Smith]

It would be very interesting to hear how people are finding the interface as 
far as easy navigation with VoiceOver is concerned.  Also, a description of the 
methodology behind it would be quite useful.

Not that this is really related, and it is most definitely not in any way a 
dig, or a criticism or a negative comment.  But I often notice that some of the 
people commenting on these items are using Windows for mail if nothing else.  
Again, it isn't really important, it's just something I notice.  I just wonder 
sometimes why people do that.  But, of course, it's each to their own.  And it 
is true to say that some people do it out of necessity as they are required to 
use Windows at work.

Anyway, there we are.  I guess it's each to their own.  But even now after 
being forced to tolerate the new interface, I cannot honestly say I have found 
anything about it which justifies the change, nor can I say I've found anything 
about it which I like.
:)
Gordon

On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:25, Phil Halton  wrote:

I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand 
the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a very 
good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also helped a 
good deal.

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Re: iTunes 11

[Zachary Kline]

Dear Gordon,
That noise you hear his voice over indicating that a popover has emerged, with 
autocomplete options. If you use the voiceover navigation keys to explore the 
screen, you will find a list of possible completions of your search in a table. 
Can you provide specific things you're having trouble doing? I read your 
negative comments on iTunes and am quite discouraged, as it seems that people 
are trying to help you as best they can. So what, specifically, are you trying 
to accomplish, and finding so frustrating?
Yours,
Zack.
On Jan 6, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> Hi Donal
> 
> I am way way behind on mail at the moment, as I am working long hours on a 
> project.  Despite the comments which others have made regarding iTunes 11, I 
> simply cannot figure out why Apple decided to do what they have done to this 
> application.  The most polite way I can describe the interface is "Dreadful". 
>  For instance, searching for things by typing in part of their name, it's 
> absolutely shocking.  All you hear is a silly rasping sound as you type.  
> What on earth is the point of that?  Also, if you insert a CD, there doesn't 
> seem to be any way to navigate out of the dialogue which appears with the 
> CD's information and associated controls.  I really would love to be able to 
> say I'm impressed.  But quite honestly, at the moment, it's entirely the 
> opposite.  I'm shocked and incredibly disappointed.  Most of what Apple is 
> doing, I really like.  But oh!  How they've ruined one of their flagship 
> products in my pinion.  I am now very reluctant to buy from the iTunes store 
> because of the horrific player interface.  Many people I have spoken too over 
> the last few days, visually impaired and otherwise, have said similar things, 
> for the most part.  apple has gone to town trying to jazz up their interface. 
>  As a result, they've made it visually quite attractive, but practically very 
> clunky to use.
> 
> I will listen to others who have used this thing with VoiceOver, of course.  
> And, if there's a way to easily navigate the interface, manipulating it to 
> your needs, I would very much like to know about it.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 2 Jan 2013, at 16:06, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> 
> There is only one thing worse than iTunes 11, and that's the Podcasts app on 
> IOS.  I described iTunes 11 on twitter recently thus:
> 
> "if an undergraduate submitted this as a final year project I'd fail it".
> 
> I stand by that assertion.  Leaving voiceover out of it, the UI doesn't work. 
>  I've had all kinds of problems, not the least being my failure to create a 
> new Apple ID for my mother recently because fields were removed from the tab 
> order, and VO wouldn't put the correct data in the correct field.  For 
> example, I was entering my mum's city of residence followed by the county, 
> however I couldn't get to the county at all.
> 
> So you're not alone, iTunes 11 is  (four letter word comprising the 
> letter S followed by the word hit).
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Re: iTunes 11

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Donal

I am way way behind on mail at the moment, as I am working long hours on a 
project.  Despite the comments which others have made regarding iTunes 11, I 
simply cannot figure out why Apple decided to do what they have done to this 
application.  The most polite way I can describe the interface is "Dreadful".  
For instance, searching for things by typing in part of their name, it's 
absolutely shocking.  All you hear is a silly rasping sound as you type.  What 
on earth is the point of that?  Also, if you insert a CD, there doesn't seem to 
be any way to navigate out of the dialogue which appears with the CD's 
information and associated controls.  I really would love to be able to say I'm 
impressed.  But quite honestly, at the moment, it's entirely the opposite.  I'm 
shocked and incredibly disappointed.  Most of what Apple is doing, I really 
like.  But oh!  How they've ruined one of their flagship products in my pinion. 
 I am now very reluctant to buy from the iTunes store because of the horrific 
player interface.  Many people I have spoken too over the last few days, 
visually impaired and otherwise, have said similar things, for the most part.  
apple has gone to town trying to jazz up their interface.  As a result, they've 
made it visually quite attractive, but practically very clunky to use.

I will listen to others who have used this thing with VoiceOver, of course.  
And, if there's a way to easily navigate the interface, manipulating it to your 
needs, I would very much like to know about it.

Gordon

On 2 Jan 2013, at 16:06, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:

There is only one thing worse than iTunes 11, and that's the Podcasts app on 
IOS.  I described iTunes 11 on twitter recently thus:

"if an undergraduate submitted this as a final year project I'd fail it".

I stand by that assertion.  Leaving voiceover out of it, the UI doesn't work.  
I've had all kinds of problems, not the least being my failure to create a new 
Apple ID for my mother recently because fields were removed from the tab order, 
and VO wouldn't put the correct data in the correct field.  For example, I was 
entering my mum's city of residence followed by the county, however I couldn't 
get to the county at all.

So you're not alone, iTunes 11 is  (four letter word comprising the letter 
S followed by the word hit).

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Re: VO talking in speaker mode

[Sarah k Alawami]

I just return off speech as I know the interface well enough  to use it. 

but as chris said you can also flick away or place the curser on the end button 
which in the loser left hand corner of the screen.
On Jan 6, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Glenn  wrote:

> Thanks Christopher, I will try that on my next call.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: VO talking in speaker mode
> 
> 
> That's because your focused on the call time counter.  Just take your finger
> and flick right to swipe away from it after laying the phone down.  That
> should keep it from continuously reading.
> 
> Thank you kindly,
> 
> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
> Founder of CLG Productions
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Glenn" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 2:07 AM
> Subject: VO talking in speaker mode
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>> I have an iPhone 5, but my iPhone 4 did this too.
>> When I am in a phone call and I lay the phone down to put it into speaker
>> mode, It echoes the contact name, and I'm guessing the minutes we have
>> talked.
>> It is distracting and keeps me from hearing the caller, it echoes this
>> about
>> twice a minute.
>> Is there a way to turn this off?
>> Thanks.
>> Glenn
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Re: VO talking in speaker mode

[Glenn]

Thanks Christopher, I will try that on my next call.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: VO talking in speaker mode


That's because your focused on the call time counter.  Just take your finger
and flick right to swipe away from it after laying the phone down.  That
should keep it from continuously reading.

Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
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From: "Glenn" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 2:07 AM
Subject: VO talking in speaker mode


> Hi,
> I have an iPhone 5, but my iPhone 4 did this too.
> When I am in a phone call and I lay the phone down to put it into speaker
> mode, It echoes the contact name, and I'm guessing the minutes we have
> talked.
> It is distracting and keeps me from hearing the caller, it echoes this
> about
> twice a minute.
> Is there a way to turn this off?
> Thanks.
> Glenn
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Deleting Time Machine Backups?

[Gary Price(Gmail)]

Hello everyone.

Just a quick question: Is it safe to delete a time machine backup off my 
External hard drive? If it is, how do I go about this?


Thanks any responses appreciated! Asking this question because I've 
tried moving the folder Backups to the trash and its saying its required.

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Losing Focus In Safari

[Desi Noller]

Hi Everyone,

Just a moment ago, I was on a web page filling out an online form to subscribe 
to an e-mail list.  VoiceOver told me I was in the edit field.  I wrote my 
message, and then moved to the subscribe button.  I kept trying VO spacebar to 
invoke the button, but I just kept getting "Button Pressed."  Nothing actually 
happened.  My sighted husband told me that there was a blank rectangle on the 
screen even though VoiceOver would read the text I had written back to me.  I'm 
assuming that VoiceOver lost focus.  In such an occasion, how do I restore the 
proper focus?  Thanks so much for any help with this!  This is not the first 
time this has ever happened to me.  Very frustrating!

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Re: Safari and Bookmarks

[Sarah k Alawami]

I save to a book mark collection called test and then move everything manually 
in the book marks list. Iv'e been having this problem for several months now 
where it would act like it would save then turns out it does not. 

Take care.
On Jan 6, 2013, at 9:55 AM, Harmony Neil  wrote:

> Hellow,
> I've been having a problem with safari on the mac saving every single we age 
> I visit to bookmarks.  I've been looking in fpreferences and in the menus and 
> everything and can't seem to find anything. Does anyone know how to stop 
> safari doing this?  If I wanted a age saved as a bookmark, I would save it as 
> one.
> Thanks,
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Safari and Bookmarks

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Hellow,
I've been having a problem with safari on the mac saving every single we age I 
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everything and can't seem to find anything. Does anyone know how to stop safari 
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Re: VO talking in speaker mode

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That's because your focused on the call time counter.  Just take your finger 
and flick right to swipe away from it after laying the phone down.  That 
should keep it from continuously reading.


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Founder of CLG Productions
- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 2:07 AM
Subject: VO talking in speaker mode



Hi,
I have an iPhone 5, but my iPhone 4 did this too.
When I am in a phone call and I lay the phone down to put it into speaker
mode, It echoes the contact name, and I'm guessing the minutes we have
talked.
It is distracting and keeps me from hearing the caller, it echoes this 
about

twice a minute.
Is there a way to turn this off?
Thanks.
Glenn

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Re: VO talking in speaker mode

[Rodney Haynie]

You could turn speech off with a three finger double tap and when you're 
finished a call you can turn speech back on with the same gesture.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 6, 2013, at 2:07 AM, Glenn  wrote:

> Hi,
> I have an iPhone 5, but my iPhone 4 did this too.
> When I am in a phone call and I lay the phone down to put it into speaker 
> mode, It echoes the contact name, and I'm guessing the minutes we have 
> talked.
> It is distracting and keeps me from hearing the caller, it echoes this about 
> twice a minute.
> Is there a way to turn this off?
> Thanks.
> Glenn 
> 
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VO talking in speaker mode

[Glenn]

Hi,
I have an iPhone 5, but my iPhone 4 did this too.
When I am in a phone call and I lay the phone down to put it into speaker 
mode, It echoes the contact name, and I'm guessing the minutes we have 
talked.
It is distracting and keeps me from hearing the caller, it echoes this about 
twice a minute.
Is there a way to turn this off?
Thanks.
Glenn 

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