Re: Incredibly annoying, not to mention extremely buggy problem with Quicknav
I wish voice-over could be more intelligent; and turn off the quick Nav when you encounter a text box just like jaws. Sent from my iPhone On 1 Sep 2013, at 06:27, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sarah, Thanks a lot for mentioning this! On 9/1/2013 9:47 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: Agreed. that's why I'm saying turn qn off if you are to type in a field. IN fact on a bt keyboard in ios generally qn is turn doff when you press up and down arrow to tap a field for editing. I generally use it to move to a button then turn it off as I have access to other elements of vo and links and stuff with those keys that are in the quick start and help menus. Take care all and be blessed. On Aug 31, 2013, at 10:12 PM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The reason for quicknav, I'd think, is to quickly navigate to other items without turning it on and off all the time. Wouldn't interacting with a text box mean that you want all the keys to be typed, whereas when not interacting, you'd want them to be used as quicknav keys? Thanks. On 9/1/2013 12:30 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: It won't. not unless qn is off. Remember vo plus enter starts selecting stuff so that is I think a feature. Also, just turn an off and type in tot eh field, hit enter and turn qn on. Easy fix there and this is how I get around web pages like google. Take care and try turning qn off before typing in the search field. I don't think qun is meant to be used all the time. At least I have not found it used all the time. Good luck. On Aug 31, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: OK, so normally, I don't know why, but I haven't really been a huge fan of Quicknav, but now, I'm really! not a fan. My ultimate goal was to turn on Quick nav globally throughout the system and use it instead of having to constantly hold my VO keys down. Before you say anything, I'm a Voiceover trainer, so yes, I obviously do know about VO+; to lock my keys. This isn't always a valuable sollution however, as this will then intercept regular alpha-numeric keys as Voiceover commands. Meaning, say I wanted to type a capital letter K. I hit shift+K, and Boom. I've just disabled/enabled my keyboard commander. Real nice! Not? I also understand that being I've got a macbook Pro, I could definitely use trackpad commander, but my hands are big enough that I probably would bump the thing almost constantly. Plus, I have very heavy fingers, and probably would exert too much pressure on the thing, thus accidentally literally clicking the thing, which of corse could give very undesirable results. I actually was having a fairly decent experience with Quicknav until I opened up Safari. What a disaster! First thing that I noticed was I have Safari set automatically to take me into Google upon launch. Well, by default on the Google web site, unless you change it, the Sweetspot is set to the google search text box. That's perfectly OK. That's normally in most cases exactly what I'd want. This way, I pop open Safari, and boom, I'm in the text box, and just start typing my query, then hit return. Well, I have also gone into the Voiceover utility and under commanders/quicknav, I set it up to use single letter navigation so that I'd not have to keep holding down my vo+command keys while jumping table by table, heading by heading, anker by anker, block text by block text, etc. Now, as long as quicknav is enabled within Safari, I can use those single letter keys. The only problem which is really pissing me off is that let's use Google just for example. Now, this happens pretty much on any web site I use, but for simplisity sake, I'm gonna use Google for this example. So, I have quicknav enabled as well as single letter navigation. I fire up Safari, and I'm popped immediately into the search box. So great! Let's say I want to now do a search for say… ACB Radio. Again, I know it's just ACBRadio.org, but again, this is simply for example purpose. So I start interacting with the text box, because if I don't, it will think that some of those letters should be intercepted as navigation single letter commands. So I hit my down and right arrow keys together, and start interacting. I then type in ACBRadio, and hit return. Now, I go to the top of the web site with fn+VO+left arrow. Remember, I'm on a macbook Pro, so I don't have a physical hom/end key, nor a num pad. Now, at the top of the page, not even focused anymore in the text box, as I moved focus away by doing the fn+vo+left arrow to jump to the top of the screen, now, if I simply hit the letter H, you'd think, that it would move me to the next heading on the page, right? Wrong, actually. What it's doing is to jump me back to the search box, I presume it's finding the next search box on the page, which in this case happens
Re: Incredibly annoying, not to mention extremely buggy problem with Quicknav
It does it already in ios. We'll see what happens. Remember qn is not just for forms mode. Qn is for quickly navigating around the screen with out using both hands. so having it automatically turning off might not be such a good idea at times. If I want it off I'll do it. Remember apple makes you think outside the box and that's what I love. Tc. On Sep 1, 2013, at 1:10 AM, William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com wrote: I wish voice-over could be more intelligent; and turn off the quick Nav when you encounter a text box just like jaws. Sent from my iPhone On 1 Sep 2013, at 06:27, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sarah, Thanks a lot for mentioning this! On 9/1/2013 9:47 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: Agreed. that's why I'm saying turn qn off if you are to type in a field. IN fact on a bt keyboard in ios generally qn is turn doff when you press up and down arrow to tap a field for editing. I generally use it to move to a button then turn it off as I have access to other elements of vo and links and stuff with those keys that are in the quick start and help menus. Take care all and be blessed. On Aug 31, 2013, at 10:12 PM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The reason for quicknav, I'd think, is to quickly navigate to other items without turning it on and off all the time. Wouldn't interacting with a text box mean that you want all the keys to be typed, whereas when not interacting, you'd want them to be used as quicknav keys? Thanks. On 9/1/2013 12:30 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: It won't. not unless qn is off. Remember vo plus enter starts selecting stuff so that is I think a feature. Also, just turn an off and type in tot eh field, hit enter and turn qn on. Easy fix there and this is how I get around web pages like google. Take care and try turning qn off before typing in the search field. I don't think qun is meant to be used all the time. At least I have not found it used all the time. Good luck. On Aug 31, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: OK, so normally, I don't know why, but I haven't really been a huge fan of Quicknav, but now, I'm really! not a fan. My ultimate goal was to turn on Quick nav globally throughout the system and use it instead of having to constantly hold my VO keys down. Before you say anything, I'm a Voiceover trainer, so yes, I obviously do know about VO+; to lock my keys. This isn't always a valuable sollution however, as this will then intercept regular alpha-numeric keys as Voiceover commands. Meaning, say I wanted to type a capital letter K. I hit shift+K, and Boom. I've just disabled/enabled my keyboard commander. Real nice! Not? I also understand that being I've got a macbook Pro, I could definitely use trackpad commander, but my hands are big enough that I probably would bump the thing almost constantly. Plus, I have very heavy fingers, and probably would exert too much pressure on the thing, thus accidentally literally clicking the thing, which of corse could give very undesirable results. I actually was having a fairly decent experience with Quicknav until I opened up Safari. What a disaster! First thing that I noticed was I have Safari set automatically to take me into Google upon launch. Well, by default on the Google web site, unless you change it, the Sweetspot is set to the google search text box. That's perfectly OK. That's normally in most cases exactly what I'd want. This way, I pop open Safari, and boom, I'm in the text box, and just start typing my query, then hit return. Well, I have also gone into the Voiceover utility and under commanders/quicknav, I set it up to use single letter navigation so that I'd not have to keep holding down my vo+command keys while jumping table by table, heading by heading, anker by anker, block text by block text, etc. Now, as long as quicknav is enabled within Safari, I can use those single letter keys. The only problem which is really pissing me off is that let's use Google just for example. Now, this happens pretty much on any web site I use, but for simplisity sake, I'm gonna use Google for this example. So, I have quicknav enabled as well as single letter navigation. I fire up Safari, and I'm popped immediately into the search box. So great! Let's say I want to now do a search for say… ACB Radio. Again, I know it's just ACBRadio.org, but again, this is simply for example purpose. So I start interacting with the text box, because if I don't, it will think that some of those letters should be intercepted as navigation single letter commands. So I hit my down and right arrow keys together, and start interacting. I then type in ACBRadio, and hit return. Now, I go to the top of the web site with fn+VO+left arrow. Remember, I'm on a macbook Pro, so I don't have a physical hom/end key, nor a num pad.
Problems with Safari
Hi group: I am having trouble when I go into safari. just says url but the page never opens. Does anyone have any ideas on why this may be going on?I search for something using google and when I click on the link to open a page nothing happens. I mean when I do this I get where the description of the page is it --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
what changed my mail setting?
Running lion on a Mac I3 1. I use to just select my desired mail folder by up and down arrowing 2. tab into my mail folder and start reading my messages. Quickly deleating those I was not interested in. 3. Now I must interact with each column and then stop interacting. Once I pick another mail folder, the dance starts over. This is all new to me and I'm sure I did not change any settings. Mark --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Problems with Safari
There might be a problem with the web page itself not the way you are doing things. I've seen this with many web pages including my own when php for example broke majorly and I had to fix it. Try http://apple.com and see if that works in your safari browser as apple is up 99 percent of the time. Take care. On Sep 1, 2013, at 2:45 PM, michael maslo mmaslo1...@swbell.net wrote: Hi group: I am having trouble when I go into safari. just says url but the page never opens. Does anyone have any ideas on why this may be going on?I search for something using google and when I click on the link to open a page nothing happens. I mean when I do this I get where the description of the page is it --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Incredibly annoying, not to mention extremely buggy problem with Quicknav
QN does what its meant to do. People try to make it suit them and get frustrated. I agree, turn it off and type and then turn it on. It's a 2 finger key stroke. As for 1 letter navigation, I turned it off a long time ago as it's the factor that makes entering text into fields etc more complicated. I use the roter in QN to move round and when I have to do a table or something unusual that isn't inn my roter, well I do the full keyboard command and don't complane that I have to spend .09 extra seconds to do it. Danny. On 01/09/2013, at 6:00 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: It won't. not unless qn is off. Remember vo plus enter starts selecting stuff so that is I think a feature. Also, just turn an off and type in tot eh field, hit enter and turn qn on. Easy fix there and this is how I get around web pages like google. Take care and try turning qn off before typing in the search field. I don't think qun is meant to be used all the time. At least I have not found it used all the time. Good luck. On Aug 31, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: OK, so normally, I don't know why, but I haven't really been a huge fan of Quicknav, but now, I'm really! not a fan. My ultimate goal was to turn on Quick nav globally throughout the system and use it instead of having to constantly hold my VO keys down. Before you say anything, I'm a Voiceover trainer, so yes, I obviously do know about VO+; to lock my keys. This isn't always a valuable sollution however, as this will then intercept regular alpha-numeric keys as Voiceover commands. Meaning, say I wanted to type a capital letter K. I hit shift+K, and Boom. I've just disabled/enabled my keyboard commander. Real nice! Not? I also understand that being I've got a macbook Pro, I could definitely use trackpad commander, but my hands are big enough that I probably would bump the thing almost constantly. Plus, I have very heavy fingers, and probably would exert too much pressure on the thing, thus accidentally literally clicking the thing, which of corse could give very undesirable results. I actually was having a fairly decent experience with Quicknav until I opened up Safari. What a disaster! First thing that I noticed was I have Safari set automatically to take me into Google upon launch. Well, by default on the Google web site, unless you change it, the Sweetspot is set to the google search text box. That's perfectly OK. That's normally in most cases exactly what I'd want. This way, I pop open Safari, and boom, I'm in the text box, and just start typing my query, then hit return. Well, I have also gone into the Voiceover utility and under commanders/quicknav, I set it up to use single letter navigation so that I'd not have to keep holding down my vo+command keys while jumping table by table, heading by heading, anker by anker, block text by block text, etc. Now, as long as quicknav is enabled within Safari, I can use those single letter keys. The only problem which is really pissing me off is that let's use Google just for example. Now, this happens pretty much on any web site I use, but for simplisity sake, I'm gonna use Google for this example. So, I have quicknav enabled as well as single letter navigation. I fire up Safari, and I'm popped immediately into the search box. So great! Let's say I want to now do a search for say… ACB Radio. Again, I know it's just ACBRadio.org, but again, this is simply for example purpose. So I start interacting with the text box, because if I don't, it will think that some of those letters should be intercepted as navigation single letter commands. So I hit my down and right arrow keys together, and start interacting. I then type in ACBRadio, and hit return. Now, I go to the top of the web site with fn+VO+left arrow. Remember, I'm on a macbook Pro, so I don't have a physical hom/end key, nor a num pad. Now, at the top of the page, not even focused anymore in the text box, as I moved focus away by doing the fn+vo+left arrow to jump to the top of the screen, now, if I simply hit the letter H, you'd think, that it would move me to the next heading on the page, right? Wrong, actually. What it's doing is to jump me back to the search box, I presume it's finding the next search box on the page, which in this case happens to be the search field, then, at the beginning of the box, it's interacting me with that text box without my will, and it's literally insertting that letter H into the box. If I then delete and backspace it out, then vo+right arrow away from the box, then try hitting H again, first being sure that quick nav is indeed enabled, which it is, then I get the same result. It jumps me back up to that text box, interacts, then types the letter H. This is incredibly buggy in my book! Oh, and as if that's not enough, here's
Re: Incredibly annoying, not to mention extremely buggy problem with Quicknav
Also, vo shift space will often click a link that vo space won't in my experience. Danny. On 01/09/2013, at 6:01 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I have that issue to, but I just keep clicking the link, but when you let's say go from the item chooser and find the link you *have to* press the thing twice as the first press moves it to the link, the second time clicks the link, or what ever the item might be. Tc. On Aug 31, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: All I can say, is that I regularly encounter times when clicking a link on a webpage produces nothing at all, like you say, it just sits there on the link. VO says link pressed, but it doesn't activate it! - Andy On 31 Aug 2013, at 20:11, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: OK, so normally, I don't know why, but I haven't really been a huge fan of Quicknav, but now, I'm really! not a fan. My ultimate goal was to turn on Quick nav globally throughout the system and use it instead of having to constantly hold my VO keys down. Before you say anything, I'm a Voiceover trainer, so yes, I obviously do know about VO+; to lock my keys. This isn't always a valuable sollution however, as this will then intercept regular alpha-numeric keys as Voiceover commands. Meaning, say I wanted to type a capital letter K. I hit shift+K, and Boom. I've just disabled/enabled my keyboard commander. Real nice! Not? I also understand that being I've got a macbook Pro, I could definitely use trackpad commander, but my hands are big enough that I probably would bump the thing almost constantly. Plus, I have very heavy fingers, and probably would exert too much pressure on the thing, thus accidentally literally clicking the thing, which of corse could give very undesirable results. I actually was having a fairly decent experience with Quicknav until I opened up Safari. What a disaster! First thing that I noticed was I have Safari set automatically to take me into Google upon launch. Well, by default on the Google web site, unless you change it, the Sweetspot is set to the google search text box. That's perfectly OK. That's normally in most cases exactly what I'd want. This way, I pop open Safari, and boom, I'm in the text box, and just start typing my query, then hit return. Well, I have also gone into the Voiceover utility and under commanders/quicknav, I set it up to use single letter navigation so that I'd not have to keep holding down my vo+command keys while jumping table by table, heading by heading, anker by anker, block text by block text, etc. Now, as long as quicknav is enabled within Safari, I can use those single letter keys. The only problem which is really pissing me off is that let's use Google just for example. Now, this happens pretty much on any web site I use, but for simplisity sake, I'm gonna use Google for this example. So, I have quicknav enabled as well as single letter navigation. I fire up Safari, and I'm popped immediately into the search box. So great! Let's say I want to now do a search for say… ACB Radio. Again, I know it's just ACBRadio.org, but again, this is simply for example purpose. So I start interacting with the text box, because if I don't, it will think that some of those letters should be intercepted as navigation single letter commands. So I hit my down and right arrow keys together, and start interacting. I then type in ACBRadio, and hit return. Now, I go to the top of the web site with fn+VO+left arrow. Remember, I'm on a macbook Pro, so I don't have a physical hom/end key, nor a num pad. Now, at the top of the page, not even focused anymore in the text box, as I moved focus away by doing the fn+vo+left arrow to jump to the top of the screen, now, if I simply hit the letter H, you'd think, that it would move me to the next heading on the page, right? Wrong, actually. What it's doing is to jump me back to the search box, I presume it's finding the next search box on the page, which in this case happens to be the search field, then, at the beginning of the box, it's interacting me with that text box without my will, and it's literally insertting that letter H into the box. If I then delete and backspace it out, then vo+right arrow away from the box, then try hitting H again, first being sure that quick nav is indeed enabled, which it is, then I get the same result. It jumps me back up to that text box, interacts, then types the letter H. This is incredibly buggy in my book! Oh, and as if that's not enough, here's another weird thing. With Quick nav on, and single letter nav on, if I type in my search query, then don't even vo+right arrow to the google search button, but instead just hit return, like I normally did with quick nav not enabled, it doesn't do a bloody thing! It just kind a sits there, and thinks
Re: Incredibly annoying, not to mention extremely buggy problem with Quicknav
Not trying to assign blame here. smile I actually was more commenting on the message thread subject than your specific message but as your message got sent to my phone it was the one that got responded too. You can never assume the mac works the way other systems do in regard to functionality and even core concepts. This is 1 of the biggest reasons people have trouble. They expect it to be quote un quote logical like JFW or WindowEyes. It's quite logical yet very different in some key aspects. Kind regards, Danny. On 01/09/2013, at 3:27 PM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Danny, Right. My fault then. By reading the Voiceover manual, I incorrectly assumed that making no mention of this behavior meant VO functions the same as screen readers on other platforms when interacting on a form field. I'm soon buying a Mac mini, so I'm glad stuff like this is brought up in the list. :-) Thanks! On 9/1/2013 9:46 AM, Danny Noonan wrote: To be correct, your problem is with quick nabs functionality rather than it being buggy. It works the way it's intended too. Danny. Sent from my iPhone On 01/09/2013, at 3:12 PM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The reason for quicknav, I'd think, is to quickly navigate to other items without turning it on and off all the time. Wouldn't interacting with a text box mean that you want all the keys to be typed, whereas when not interacting, you'd want them to be used as quicknav keys? Thanks. On 9/1/2013 12:30 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: It won't. not unless qn is off. Remember vo plus enter starts selecting stuff so that is I think a feature. Also, just turn an off and type in tot eh field, hit enter and turn qn on. Easy fix there and this is how I get around web pages like google. Take care and try turning qn off before typing in the search field. I don't think qun is meant to be used all the time. At least I have not found it used all the time. Good luck. On Aug 31, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: OK, so normally, I don't know why, but I haven't really been a huge fan of Quicknav, but now, I'm really! not a fan. My ultimate goal was to turn on Quick nav globally throughout the system and use it instead of having to constantly hold my VO keys down. Before you say anything, I'm a Voiceover trainer, so yes, I obviously do know about VO+; to lock my keys. This isn't always a valuable sollution however, as this will then intercept regular alpha-numeric keys as Voiceover commands. Meaning, say I wanted to type a capital letter K. I hit shift+K, and Boom. I've just disabled/enabled my keyboard commander. Real nice! Not? I also understand that being I've got a macbook Pro, I could definitely use trackpad commander, but my hands are big enough that I probably would bump the thing almost constantly. Plus, I have very heavy fingers, and probably would exert too much pressure on the thing, thus accidentally literally clicking the thing, which of corse could give very undesirable results. I actually was having a fairly decent experience with Quicknav until I opened up Safari. What a disaster! First thing that I noticed was I have Safari set automatically to take me into Google upon launch. Well, by default on the Google web site, unless you change it, the Sweetspot is set to the google search text box. That's perfectly OK. That's normally in most cases exactly what I'd want. This way, I pop open Safari, and boom, I'm in the text box, and just start typing my query, then hit return. Well, I have also gone into the Voiceover utility and under commanders/quicknav, I set it up to use single letter navigation so that I'd not have to keep holding down my vo+command keys while jumping table by table, heading by heading, anker by anker, block text by block text, etc. Now, as long as quicknav is enabled within Safari, I can use those single letter keys. The only problem which is really pissing me off is that let's use Google just for example. Now, this happens pretty much on any web site I use, but for simplisity sake, I'm gonna use Google for this example. So, I have quicknav enabled as well as single letter navigation. I fire up Safari, and I'm popped immediately into the search box. So great! Let's say I want to now do a search for say… ACB Radio. Again, I know it's just ACBRadio.org, but again, this is simply for example purpose. So I start interacting with the text box, because if I don't, it will think that some of those letters should be intercepted as navigation single letter commands. So I hit my down and right arrow keys together, and start interacting. I then type in ACBRadio, and hit return. Now, I go to the top of the web site with fn+VO+left arrow. Remember, I'm on a macbook Pro, so I don't have a physical hom/end key, nor a num pad. Now, at the
Re: Incredibly annoying, not to mention extremely buggy problem with Quicknav
True. JFW does however allow you to choose if you turn off forms mode when using navigation. This would be a nice feature set for VO. It currently isn't though unfortunately. :-) Danny. On 02/09/2013, at 2:07 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: It does it already in ios. We'll see what happens. Remember qn is not just for forms mode. Qn is for quickly navigating around the screen with out using both hands. so having it automatically turning off might not be such a good idea at times. If I want it off I'll do it. Remember apple makes you think outside the box and that's what I love. Tc. On Sep 1, 2013, at 1:10 AM, William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com wrote: I wish voice-over could be more intelligent; and turn off the quick Nav when you encounter a text box just like jaws. Sent from my iPhone On 1 Sep 2013, at 06:27, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sarah, Thanks a lot for mentioning this! On 9/1/2013 9:47 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: Agreed. that's why I'm saying turn qn off if you are to type in a field. IN fact on a bt keyboard in ios generally qn is turn doff when you press up and down arrow to tap a field for editing. I generally use it to move to a button then turn it off as I have access to other elements of vo and links and stuff with those keys that are in the quick start and help menus. Take care all and be blessed. On Aug 31, 2013, at 10:12 PM, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The reason for quicknav, I'd think, is to quickly navigate to other items without turning it on and off all the time. Wouldn't interacting with a text box mean that you want all the keys to be typed, whereas when not interacting, you'd want them to be used as quicknav keys? Thanks. On 9/1/2013 12:30 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: It won't. not unless qn is off. Remember vo plus enter starts selecting stuff so that is I think a feature. Also, just turn an off and type in tot eh field, hit enter and turn qn on. Easy fix there and this is how I get around web pages like google. Take care and try turning qn off before typing in the search field. I don't think qun is meant to be used all the time. At least I have not found it used all the time. Good luck. On Aug 31, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: OK, so normally, I don't know why, but I haven't really been a huge fan of Quicknav, but now, I'm really! not a fan. My ultimate goal was to turn on Quick nav globally throughout the system and use it instead of having to constantly hold my VO keys down. Before you say anything, I'm a Voiceover trainer, so yes, I obviously do know about VO+; to lock my keys. This isn't always a valuable sollution however, as this will then intercept regular alpha-numeric keys as Voiceover commands. Meaning, say I wanted to type a capital letter K. I hit shift+K, and Boom. I've just disabled/enabled my keyboard commander. Real nice! Not? I also understand that being I've got a macbook Pro, I could definitely use trackpad commander, but my hands are big enough that I probably would bump the thing almost constantly. Plus, I have very heavy fingers, and probably would exert too much pressure on the thing, thus accidentally literally clicking the thing, which of corse could give very undesirable results. I actually was having a fairly decent experience with Quicknav until I opened up Safari. What a disaster! First thing that I noticed was I have Safari set automatically to take me into Google upon launch. Well, by default on the Google web site, unless you change it, the Sweetspot is set to the google search text box. That's perfectly OK. That's normally in most cases exactly what I'd want. This way, I pop open Safari, and boom, I'm in the text box, and just start typing my query, then hit return. Well, I have also gone into the Voiceover utility and under commanders/quicknav, I set it up to use single letter navigation so that I'd not have to keep holding down my vo+command keys while jumping table by table, heading by heading, anker by anker, block text by block text, etc. Now, as long as quicknav is enabled within Safari, I can use those single letter keys. The only problem which is really pissing me off is that let's use Google just for example. Now, this happens pretty much on any web site I use, but for simplisity sake, I'm gonna use Google for this example. So, I have quicknav enabled as well as single letter navigation. I fire up Safari, and I'm popped immediately into the search box. So great! Let's say I want to now do a search for say… ACB Radio. Again, I know it's just ACBRadio.org, but again, this is simply for example purpose. So I start interacting with the text box, because if I don't, it will think that some of those letters should be intercepted as navigation single letter commands.
Re: Problems with Safari
it might be the bug in safari which wasdetailed in a podcast on applevis. It's called zipping around bugs in safari or something similar. It shows a bug, known to apple, where sometimes webpages won't open correctly requiring manual interaction with the HTML area and a host of other associated problems. It also gives a work-around for the problem I suggest you go to the Applevis.com website and do a search for safari, looking for the podcast mentioned above. It's quite good. On Sep 1, 2013, at 5:45 PM, michael maslo mmaslo1...@swbell.net wrote: Hi group: I am having trouble when I go into safari. just says url but the page never opens. Does anyone have any ideas on why this may be going on?I search for something using google and when I click on the link to open a page nothing happens. I mean when I do this I get where the description of the page is it --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Problems with Safari
Michael, Try the following and let us know. Under preferences, go to privacy button and remove cookies. Next while in safari, bring up the Apple menu and VO right until you hear Safari and VO down and VO space on reset Safari. The only things I have checked is clear history and clear data. After the above, do option-command-E to empty cache. Take care, John On Sep 1, 2013, at 4:45 PM, michael maslo mmaslo1...@swbell.net wrote: Hi group: I am having trouble when I go into safari. just says url but the page never opens. Does anyone have any ideas on why this may be going on?I search for something using google and when I click on the link to open a page nothing happens. I mean when I do this I get where the description of the page is it --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
trash and lists
Hi all, Couple questions. first, how do you quickly and easily empty the trash mailbox and also the trash folder? Second, how can you quickly navigate to the top or bottom of a list of messages in mail? Thanks for any help, Don --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: trash and lists
On Sep 1, 2013, at 8:18 PM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote: first, how do you quickly and easily empty the trash mailbox and also the trash folder? to empty the trash folder it's cmd shift delete in both mail and finder. Both actions cannot be undone. Second, how can you quickly navigate to the top or bottom of a list of messages in mail? Interact with the list of messages, then hit vo shift fn left if using a laptop otherwise it's vo shift home. do a vo shift fn right arrow, or end if not on a laptop to get to the bottom of the list. this can be used in finder and any ware else there's a list. It can also be used to get to the top and bottom of a table in safari very quickly. Tc. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
