True. JFW does however allow you to choose if you turn off forms mode when using navigation. This would be a nice feature set for VO. It currently isn't though unfortunately. :-)
Danny. On 02/09/2013, at 2:07 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marri...@gmail.com> wrote: > It does it already in ios. We'll see what happens. Remember qn is not just > for forms mode. Qn is for quickly navigating around the screen with out using > both hands. so having it automatically turning off might not be such a good > idea at times. If I want it off I'll do it. Remember apple makes you think > outside the box and that's what I love. > > Tc. > On Sep 1, 2013, at 1:10 AM, William Lomas <w.d.lo...@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> I wish voice-over could be more intelligent; and turn off the quick Nav >> when you encounter a text box just like jaws. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 1 Sep 2013, at 06:27, Parham Doustdar <parha...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Sarah, >>> >>> Thanks a lot for mentioning this! >>> On 9/1/2013 9:47 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: >>>> Agreed. that's why I'm saying turn qn off if you are to type in a field. >>>> IN fact on a bt keyboard in ios generally qn is turn doff when you press >>>> up and down arrow to tap a field for editing. I generally use it to move >>>> to a button then turn it off as I have access to other elements of vo and >>>> links and stuff with those keys that are in the quick start and help menus. >>>> >>>> Take care all and be blessed. >>>> On Aug 31, 2013, at 10:12 PM, Parham Doustdar <parha...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> The reason for quicknav, I'd think, is to quickly navigate to other items >>>>> without turning it on and off all the time. Wouldn't interacting with a >>>>> text box mean that you want all the keys to be typed, whereas when not >>>>> interacting, you'd want them to be used as quicknav keys? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> On 9/1/2013 12:30 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: >>>>>> It won't. not unless qn is off. Remember vo plus enter starts selecting >>>>>> stuff so that is I think a feature. Also, just turn an off and type in >>>>>> tot eh field, hit enter and turn qn on. Easy fix there and this is how I >>>>>> get around web pages like google. >>>>>> >>>>>> Take care and try turning qn off before typing in the search field. I >>>>>> don't think qun is meant to be used all the time. At least I have not >>>>>> found it used all the time. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good luck. >>>>>> On Aug 31, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Chris Gilland <ch...@clgproductions.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> OK, so normally, I don't know why, but I haven't really been a huge fan >>>>>>> of Quicknav, but now, I'm really! not a fan. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My ultimate goal was to turn on Quick nav globally throughout the >>>>>>> system and use it instead of having to constantly hold my VO keys down. >>>>>>> Before you say anything, I'm a Voiceover trainer, so yes, I obviously >>>>>>> do know about VO+; to lock my keys. This isn't always a valuable >>>>>>> sollution however, as this will then intercept regular alpha-numeric >>>>>>> keys as Voiceover commands. Meaning, say I wanted to type a capital >>>>>>> letter K. I hit shift+K, and Boom. I've just disabled/enabled my >>>>>>> keyboard commander. Real nice! Not? I also understand that being >>>>>>> I've got a macbook Pro, I could definitely use trackpad commander, but >>>>>>> my hands are big enough that I probably would bump the thing almost >>>>>>> constantly. Plus, I have very heavy fingers, and probably would exert >>>>>>> too much pressure on the thing, thus accidentally literally clicking >>>>>>> the thing, which of corse could give very undesirable results. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I actually was having a fairly decent experience with Quicknav until I >>>>>>> opened up Safari. What a disaster! First thing that I noticed was I >>>>>>> have Safari set automatically to take me into Google upon launch. >>>>>>> Well, by default on the Google web site, unless you change it, the >>>>>>> Sweetspot is set to the google search text box. That's perfectly OK. >>>>>>> That's normally in most cases exactly what I'd want. This way, I pop >>>>>>> open Safari, and boom, I'm in the text box, and just start typing my >>>>>>> query, then hit return. Well, I have also gone into the Voiceover >>>>>>> utility and under commanders/quicknav, I set it up to use single letter >>>>>>> navigation so that I'd not have to keep holding down my vo+command keys >>>>>>> while jumping table by table, heading by heading, anker by anker, block >>>>>>> text by block text, etc. Now, as long as quicknav is enabled within >>>>>>> Safari, I can use those single letter keys. The only problem which is >>>>>>> really pissing me off is that let's use Google just for example. Now, >>>>>>> this happens pretty much on any web site I use, but for simplisity >>>>>>> sake, I'm gonna use Google for this example. So, I have quicknav >>>>>>> enabled as well as single letter navigation. I fire up Safari, and I'm >>>>>>> popped immediately into the search box. So great! Let's say I want to >>>>>>> now do a search for say… ACB Radio. Again, I know it's just >>>>>>> ACBRadio.org, but again, this is simply for example purpose. So I >>>>>>> start interacting with the text box, because if I don't, it will think >>>>>>> that some of those letters should be intercepted as navigation single >>>>>>> letter commands. So I hit my down and right arrow keys together, and >>>>>>> start interacting. I then type in ACBRadio, and hit return. Now, I go >>>>>>> to the top of the web site with fn+VO+left arrow. Remember, I'm on a >>>>>>> macbook Pro, so I don't have a physical hom/end key, nor a num pad. >>>>>>> Now, at the top of the page, not even focused anymore in the text box, >>>>>>> as I moved focus away by doing the fn+vo+left arrow to jump to the top >>>>>>> of the screen, now, if I simply hit the letter H, you'd think, that it >>>>>>> would move me to the next heading on the page, right? Wrong, actually. >>>>>>> What it's doing is to jump me back to the search box, I presume it's >>>>>>> finding the next search box on the page, which in this case happens to >>>>>>> be the search field, then, at the beginning of the box, it's >>>>>>> interacting me with that text box without my will, and it's literally >>>>>>> insertting that letter H into the box. If I then delete and backspace >>>>>>> it out, then vo+right arrow away from the box, then try hitting H >>>>>>> again, first being sure that quick nav is indeed enabled, which it is, >>>>>>> then I get the same result. It jumps me back up to that text box, >>>>>>> interacts, then types the letter H. This is incredibly buggy in my >>>>>>> book! Oh, and as if that's not enough, here's another weird thing. >>>>>>> With Quick nav on, and single letter nav on, if I type in my search >>>>>>> query, then don't even vo+right arrow to the google search button, but >>>>>>> instead just hit return, like I normally did with quick nav not >>>>>>> enabled, it doesn't do a bloody thing! It just kind a sits there, and >>>>>>> thinks about life. It doesn't go busy busy busy or anything of sort, >>>>>>> thank God. Don't give it any ideas, LOL! but it doesn't proceed to >>>>>>> the next page with my results. It's almost like it's not even clicking >>>>>>> the search button at all, whenever I hit the return key. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very very very buggy in my view. I'm wonderring if anyone else on >>>>>>> here's had or is having, for that mind, this issue, or moreover, is >>>>>>> there maybe something that I'm missing? 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