RE: Question: Reading Webpages

[David Griffith]

I am afraid this is an aspect of quick nav that it defaults to the last
letter navigation. This is sometimes useful but like you I  find this
annoying at times.

In the end I reason that I was just used to line reading as this was the
normal Windows way of doing things.  It is not actually that logical in many
web page elements where lines are not fixed quantities with the realities of
adjustable fonts and text flows etc. A paragraph is a more logical web
element. I also realise that you cannot, or even reasonably expect the Mac
to reproduce all of the windows experience. I therefore learnt to adjust in
Quick Nav by using right arrow key to read a paragraph at a time which suits
the Mac and actually me most of the time . This is unaffected by use of any
of the Quick Nav button navigation options. I retain line reading for
occasional detailed reading or as a more flexible way of selecting text on
Safari web pages.  

There are strength and weaknesses to Mac internet usage. There are aspects
some of web reading on the Mac which is far superior to Windows.  If you
have not tried it, go to a BBC news site story and press command shift R to
launch Reader. Even the latest versions of Jaws do not achieve this level of
functionality.


David Griffith
-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar
Sent: 21 October 2013 07:00
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Question: Reading Webpages

Hi David,

Thanks a lot. I did as you had suggested (adding "line" to the router), 
but I met some unexpected behavior that I'm wondering how to work around of.

When pressing H for jumping to the next heading, the router setting 
changes to headings instead of lines and then I'll constantly have to 
switch back to lines. Is there a way to do this quickly?

Thanks.
On 10/19/2013 12:41 PM, David Griffith wrote:
> Also in relation to navigating by line this is indeed possible.
> You need to check first of  all that in Voiceover settings that you have
> line as an item for the web  rota checked. I believe it is not checked by
> default.
> Just navigate to web rota settings and look for line and then press space
to
> set this up.
> Now in Safari press left and right arrows  to turn quick nav on.
> Press left and up arrow to cycle through the rota until you hear lines.
> Pressing down and up arrow will now navigate you by a line at a time. Left
> and right arrow will still read by paragraph or heading element.
>
> This is a good way of selecting text easily as you simply hold the shift
key
> whilst pressing the down key. Unlike more clunky forms of text selection
in
> Safari you will not be restricted  to interactional elements like a
> paragraph.
>
> David Griffith
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
> Sent: 19 October 2013 09:04
> To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'
> Subject: RE: Question: Reading Webpages
>
> Try changing the punctuation settings of Voiceover in Safari.
> It sounds like you have it set to all. You might be better off with some
or
> none.
> You can access the major settings of Voiceover, including punctuation,
> quickly by pressing control option command and right or left cursor keys
to
> cycle through the settings.
>
> David Griffith
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar
> Sent: 19 October 2013 07:49
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Question: Reading Webpages
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm using Mac OSX 10.8.5. When trying to read the Google search results
> and moving to the next item using VO + right from the heading that has
> the webpage title, I hear things like this (each comma between the text
> enclosed in quotes means I press VO + right at this point):
>
> "Test.com | The best test site", "www", "test.com", "/", "example".
>
> However, what I'd like to hear is this:
>
> "Test.com | The best test site", "www.test.com/example"
>
> Namely, I'd like to navigate by line.
>
> Is this possible?
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: Question: Reading Webpages

[Parham Doustdar]

Hi David,

Thanks a lot. I did as you had suggested (adding "line" to the router), 
but I met some unexpected behavior that I'm wondering how to work around of.


When pressing H for jumping to the next heading, the router setting 
changes to headings instead of lines and then I'll constantly have to 
switch back to lines. Is there a way to do this quickly?


Thanks.
On 10/19/2013 12:41 PM, David Griffith wrote:

Also in relation to navigating by line this is indeed possible.
You need to check first of  all that in Voiceover settings that you have
line as an item for the web  rota checked. I believe it is not checked by
default.
Just navigate to web rota settings and look for line and then press space to
set this up.
Now in Safari press left and right arrows  to turn quick nav on.
Press left and up arrow to cycle through the rota until you hear lines.
Pressing down and up arrow will now navigate you by a line at a time. Left
and right arrow will still read by paragraph or heading element.

This is a good way of selecting text easily as you simply hold the shift key
whilst pressing the down key. Unlike more clunky forms of text selection in
Safari you will not be restricted  to interactional elements like a
paragraph.

David Griffith

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: 19 October 2013 09:04
To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: RE: Question: Reading Webpages

Try changing the punctuation settings of Voiceover in Safari.
It sounds like you have it set to all. You might be better off with some or
none.
You can access the major settings of Voiceover, including punctuation,
quickly by pressing control option command and right or left cursor keys to
cycle through the settings.

David Griffith

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar
Sent: 19 October 2013 07:49
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Question: Reading Webpages

Hi,

I'm using Mac OSX 10.8.5. When trying to read the Google search results
and moving to the next item using VO + right from the heading that has
the webpage title, I hear things like this (each comma between the text
enclosed in quotes means I press VO + right at this point):

"Test.com | The best test site", "www", "test.com", "/", "example".

However, what I'd like to hear is this:

"Test.com | The best test site", "www.test.com/example"

Namely, I'd like to navigate by line.

Is this possible?

Thanks.

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Re: If You Have an iPhone And A Fritz! Box

[Dane Trethowan]

Okay, well I'm going to keep it brief because I don't want to go off topic for 
the list, a Fritz! bos is a telephony manager amongst other things, I'll give 
you a better explanation in a private eMail.

On 21/10/2013, at 2:29 PM, Laurel And Stockard  
wrote:

> Hi,
> Could you briefly describe what the Fritz box is? I've never even heard of 
> that, but it sounds really neat. Thanks a lot.
> 
> Laurel
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2013, at 21:05, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> If you have an iPhone and a Fritz! Box then you may wish to take advantage 
>> of the new Fritz! App from the Apps store, this App allows you to make phone 
>> calls from your iPhone through your Fritz! Box, for example you can 
>> configure the system to make calls from a VOIP or PSTN line rather than 
>> using your iPhone to make the call thus possibly saving you a large amount 
>> of money on the call.
>> 
>> Obviously you have to be on your Wi-Fi Network with the Fritz! Box for this 
>> app to work.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> **
>> 
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Re: If You Have an iPhone And A Fritz! Box

[Laurel And Stockard]

Hi,
Could you briefly describe what the Fritz box is? I've never even heard of 
that, but it sounds really neat. Thanks a lot.

Laurel

> On Oct 20, 2013, at 21:05, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> If you have an iPhone and a Fritz! Box then you may wish to take advantage of 
> the new Fritz! App from the Apps store, this App allows you to make phone 
> calls from your iPhone through your Fritz! Box, for example you can configure 
> the system to make calls from a VOIP or PSTN line rather than using your 
> iPhone to make the call thus possibly saving you a large amount of money on 
> the call.
> 
> Obviously you have to be on your Wi-Fi Network with the Fritz! Box for this 
> app to work.
> 
> 
> 
> **
> 
> Dane Trethowan
> Skype: grtdane12
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If You Have an iPhone And A Fritz! Box

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi!

If you have an iPhone and a Fritz! Box then you may wish to take advantage of 
the new Fritz! App from the Apps store, this App allows you to make phone calls 
from your iPhone through your Fritz! Box, for example you can configure the 
system to make calls from a VOIP or PSTN line rather than using your iPhone to 
make the call thus possibly saving you a large amount of money on the call.

Obviously you have to be on your Wi-Fi Network with the Fritz! Box for this app 
to work.



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Re: good alternative to iTunes for ripping CDs

[Sarah k Alawami]

Ype I found a set of well written instructions at 
http://www.moncefbelyamani.com/how-to-install-xcode-homebrew-git-rvm-ruby-on-mac/#step-2
Now is that cd ripper that was talked about in home-brew? if not I just waisted 
my time, no, it was a learning experience. lol!

Take care and be blessed.
On Oct 20, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Sarah,
> 
> You can find the information about installing Homebrew at their web site:
> http://brew.sh/
> 
> The default installation is simply to type or paste into the Terminal command 
> line the following:
> ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.github.com/mxcl/homebrew/go)"
> 
> Then you press return to have the command take effect.  However, there is a 
> slight issue that you should be aware of in using Homebrew.  Since it uses 
> the Terminal command line interface, you need to have the Xcode command line 
> tools installed for it to work.  Starting with Xcode version 4.3, the command 
> line tools were no longer installed by default, so you either have to 
> manually install them (after launching Xcode, use Command-comma to open the 
> preferences, and select the Downloads button in the toolbar; then in the 
> Components tab, "Command Line Tools" should be one of the items in the table, 
> and you can use the "Check and Install Now" button).  I don't remember 
> whether I had to check this individually, since I did this some time ago in 
> an older version of Xcode.
> 
> Alternatively, the Homebrew page says that you only need to install the 
> "Command Line Tools for Xcode", and gives a link to this package.  I haven't 
> used this, because this was an option that only became available after I'd 
> done the command line tool installation.
> 
> There is a gotcha with Dónal's recommendation to install the command line 
> tools for Xcode 4.6.3 (and also to using the line for the command line tools 
> for Xcode from the Homebrew page): you need to register as a developer in 
> order to access older versions of Xcode and the command line tools for Xcode. 
>  This is unless you already have an older version of Xcode or the command 
> line tools on your system, or in a backup.
> 
> Maybe Dónal can supply more information or corrections to what I've said.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Oct 20, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
> 
>> Hmm. since I'm using XCode what ever is now in the app store not sure if 
>> that will work or  not. Is home brew easy to install for a novice at the 
>> terminal? and will this tool that Georgina mentioned with with home brew as 
>> well as mac ports?
>> 
>> Take care and thanks.
>> On Oct 20, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Gina (and others)
>>> 
>>> That is an excellent summary.  Following on from my post concerning 
>>> HomeBrew last week I can confirm that ABCDE can be installed using this 
>>> package manager.  
>>> 
>>> For those not familiar with it, Homebrew is a way to install packages (for 
>>> example Php, wget, or indeed ABCDE) which unix command line users like and 
>>> which don't come as standard with the mac.  I prefer Homebrew because it 
>>> installs everything into /local/library/Celar, and then sym-links into 
>>> /usr/local/bin.  this makes removing software much easier than with 
>>> macports.  
>>> 
>>> The only issue when installing ABCDE using HomeBrew was that on one machine 
>>> (running XCode 5) it had difficulty installing one of the dependencies 
>>> because of a missing header file.  It is entirely possible this could arise 
>>> with MacPorts as well which is why I mention it here.  So my suggestion 
>>> would be that if anyone is thinking of installing this tool then to install 
>>> the command-line tools for XCode 4.6.3.
>>> 
>>> Hope this is of use,
>>> 
>>> Dónal
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Re: good alternative to iTunes for ripping CDs

[Esther]

Hi Sarah,

You can find the information about installing Homebrew at their web site:
http://brew.sh/

The default installation is simply to type or paste into the Terminal command 
line the following:
ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.github.com/mxcl/homebrew/go)"

Then you press return to have the command take effect.  However, there is a 
slight issue that you should be aware of in using Homebrew.  Since it uses the 
Terminal command line interface, you need to have the Xcode command line tools 
installed for it to work.  Starting with Xcode version 4.3, the command line 
tools were no longer installed by default, so you either have to manually 
install them (after launching Xcode, use Command-comma to open the preferences, 
and select the Downloads button in the toolbar; then in the Components tab, 
"Command Line Tools" should be one of the items in the table, and you can use 
the "Check and Install Now" button).  I don't remember whether I had to check 
this individually, since I did this some time ago in an older version of Xcode.

Alternatively, the Homebrew page says that you only need to install the 
"Command Line Tools for Xcode", and gives a link to this package.  I haven't 
used this, because this was an option that only became available after I'd done 
the command line tool installation.

There is a gotcha with Dónal's recommendation to install the command line tools 
for Xcode 4.6.3 (and also to using the line for the command line tools for 
Xcode from the Homebrew page): you need to register as a developer in order to 
access older versions of Xcode and the command line tools for Xcode.  This is 
unless you already have an older version of Xcode or the command line tools on 
your system, or in a backup.

Maybe Dónal can supply more information or corrections to what I've said.

Best,

Esther

On Oct 20, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

> Hmm. since I'm using XCode what ever is now in the app store not sure if that 
> will work or  not. Is home brew easy to install for a novice at the terminal? 
> and will this tool that Georgina mentioned with with home brew as well as mac 
> ports?
> 
> Take care and thanks.
> On Oct 20, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Gina (and others)
>> 
>> That is an excellent summary.  Following on from my post concerning HomeBrew 
>> last week I can confirm that ABCDE can be installed using this package 
>> manager.  
>> 
>> For those not familiar with it, Homebrew is a way to install packages (for 
>> example Php, wget, or indeed ABCDE) which unix command line users like and 
>> which don't come as standard with the mac.  I prefer Homebrew because it 
>> installs everything into /local/library/Celar, and then sym-links into 
>> /usr/local/bin.  this makes removing software much easier than with 
>> macports.  
>> 
>> The only issue when installing ABCDE using HomeBrew was that on one machine 
>> (running XCode 5) it had difficulty installing one of the dependencies 
>> because of a missing header file.  It is entirely possible this could arise 
>> with MacPorts as well which is why I mention it here.  So my suggestion 
>> would be that if anyone is thinking of installing this tool then to install 
>> the command-line tools for XCode 4.6.3.
>> 
>> Hope this is of use,
>> 
>> Dónal

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Re: good alternative to iTunes for ripping CDs

[Sarah k Alawami]

Hmm. since I'm using XCode what ever is now in the app store not sure if that 
will work or  not. Is home brew easy to install for a novice at the terminal? 
and will this tool that Georgina mentioned with with home brew as well as mac 
ports?

Take care and thanks.
On Oct 20, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
wrote:

> Hi Gina (and others)
> 
> That is an excellent summary.  Following on from my post concerning HomeBrew 
> last week I can confirm that ABCDE can be installed using this package 
> manager.  
> 
> For those not familiar with it, Homebrew is a way to install packages (for 
> example Php, wget, or indeed ABCDE) which unix command line users like and 
> which don't come as standard with the mac.  I prefer Homebrew because it 
> installs everything into /local/library/Celar, and then sym-links into 
> /usr/local/bin.  this makes removing software much easier than with macports. 
>  
> 
> The only issue when installing ABCDE using HomeBrew was that on one machine 
> (running XCode 5) it had difficulty installing one of the dependencies 
> because of a missing header file.  It is entirely possible this could arise 
> with MacPorts as well which is why I mention it here.  So my suggestion would 
> be that if anyone is thinking of installing this tool then to install the 
> command-line tools for XCode 4.6.3.
> 
> Hope this is of use,
> 
> Dónal
> On 20 Oct 2013, at 20:45, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Lynnette,
>> 
>> In respect of this program. It is very easy. However, the more you want =
>> to customise the more it is involved. There is one file that you need to =
>> edit, if you wish to change anything from the defaults. It's as simple =
>> as typing abcde.
>> 
>> To Install, providing you have Macports installed:
>> # sudo port install abcde
>> Put your CD in the drive and type:
>> # abcde
>> 
>> This will put a full stop after the number of the track. It will create =
>> a directory of the artist's name. Inside that directory, will be a sub =
>> directory of the artist's name. Of the albumn. Being open source =
>> software the default format is vorbis ogg. It is in q3 mode. All of this =
>> is changeable within the abcde.conf file. It is very well commented =
>> file. It can be edited within TextEdit. By default is found in =
>> /opt/local/etc/abcde.conf.
>> 
>> It is better to leave that one alone and make a copy of it in your own =
>> home directory. I then copy that one to a file called rip-ogg and =
>> another called rip-mp3. I then edit both of those rip files with the =
>> settings I desire for ogg and mp3 files. When I come to rip a disk to =
>> mp3 I type:
>> 
>> # abcde -c rip-mp3
>> 
>> and for ogg:
>> 
>> # abcde -c rip-ogg.
>> 
>> I have kept the above very simple and such examples may need path =
>> directives. If you put your customised files in a different place to =
>> that you give the command.
>> =20
>> An example of the default might be from pwd (Present working directory)
>> 
>> Artist Name
>> inside that
>>  Album Name
>> Inside that
>> 01.Track_Name.ogg
>> 
>> The only problem I have found is ejecting the CD. I'm having to switch =
>> to the desktop and ejecting from there.
>> 
>> If you wish to view a abcde.conf which is similar to the default:
>> 
>> =
>> http://code.google.com/p/abcde/issues/attachmentText?id=3D1&aid=3D-1098436=
>> 14078946506&name=3Dabcde.conf&token=3Da2f898087a0a3c9f37e4435b187e80c3
>> 
>> VO and Safari seem to take you through 69 numbered links before the =
>> text. I think it is a method of editing that copy and saving it locally.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
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Re: good alternative to iTunes for ripping CDs

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Gina (and others)

That is an excellent summary.  Following on from my post concerning HomeBrew 
last week I can confirm that ABCDE can be installed using this package manager. 
 

For those not familiar with it, Homebrew is a way to install packages (for 
example Php, wget, or indeed ABCDE) which unix command line users like and 
which don't come as standard with the mac.  I prefer Homebrew because it 
installs everything into /local/library/Celar, and then sym-links into 
/usr/local/bin.  this makes removing software much easier than with macports.  

The only issue when installing ABCDE using HomeBrew was that on one machine 
(running XCode 5) it had difficulty installing one of the dependencies because 
of a missing header file.  It is entirely possible this could arise with 
MacPorts as well which is why I mention it here.  So my suggestion would be 
that if anyone is thinking of installing this tool then to install the 
command-line tools for XCode 4.6.3.

Hope this is of use,

Dónal
On 20 Oct 2013, at 20:45, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

> Hello Lynnette,
> 
> In respect of this program. It is very easy. However, the more you want =
> to customise the more it is involved. There is one file that you need to =
> edit, if you wish to change anything from the defaults. It's as simple =
> as typing abcde.
> 
> To Install, providing you have Macports installed:
> # sudo port install abcde
> Put your CD in the drive and type:
> # abcde
> 
> This will put a full stop after the number of the track. It will create =
> a directory of the artist's name. Inside that directory, will be a sub =
> directory of the artist's name. Of the albumn. Being open source =
> software the default format is vorbis ogg. It is in q3 mode. All of this =
> is changeable within the abcde.conf file. It is very well commented =
> file. It can be edited within TextEdit. By default is found in =
> /opt/local/etc/abcde.conf.
> 
> It is better to leave that one alone and make a copy of it in your own =
> home directory. I then copy that one to a file called rip-ogg and =
> another called rip-mp3. I then edit both of those rip files with the =
> settings I desire for ogg and mp3 files. When I come to rip a disk to =
> mp3 I type:
> 
> # abcde -c rip-mp3
> 
> and for ogg:
> 
> # abcde -c rip-ogg.
> 
> I have kept the above very simple and such examples may need path =
> directives. If you put your customised files in a different place to =
> that you give the command.
> =20
> An example of the default might be from pwd (Present working directory)
> 
> Artist Name
> inside that
>   Album Name
> Inside that
> 01.Track_Name.ogg
> 
> The only problem I have found is ejecting the CD. I'm having to switch =
> to the desktop and ejecting from there.
> 
> If you wish to view a abcde.conf which is similar to the default:
> 
> =
> http://code.google.com/p/abcde/issues/attachmentText?id=3D1&aid=3D-1098436=
> 14078946506&name=3Dabcde.conf&token=3Da2f898087a0a3c9f37e4435b187e80c3
> 
> VO and Safari seem to take you through 69 numbered links before the =
> text. I think it is a method of editing that copy and saving it locally.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Gena
> Georgina Joyce
> Applied Psychologist
> Training and Coaching.
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> 
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Re: using mac, with a windows keyboard

[matthew dyer]

Hi duug,

Just remember that the windows key is the command key and the aunt key is the 
positions key so you should be fine.  The letters are in the same as on a pc.  
You also don't have the eject key as well.

HTH.

Matthew

 
On Oct 20, 2013, at 3:34 PM, "Rudolph, Douglas"  
wrote:

> Hey guys, this yet again has probably been discussed, but not sure. My 
> university has computers hooked up on a switch for mac and pc modes. but the 
> keyboard is a microsoft lay out, 3 key left of spacebar. can somebody point 
> me in the right direction to work on this set up correctly? i would like to 
> udalise these computers but unsure what the mac to pc keys work out to be.
> doug
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Re: TextEdit and "go to page"

[Sarah k Alawami]

I normally just rap to window and don't worry about the page. Use cmd shift w 
and work with that instead. the only time I have tow orry about it is if I'm 
working on an easy of some kind.

Tc.
On Oct 20, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Tere Codina  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I often work on TextEdit. It says many times how many pages has the files, 
> and the number of the page where I am reading.
> 
> My question is, how can I go to a specific page? I don't find the way of 
> doing this job. If there isn't any possibility of doing that, I wonder if is 
> a problem of accessibility or TextEdit itself has not implemented this 
> feature. I really don't understand it.
> 
> Many thanks in advance.
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TextEdit and "go to page"

[Tere Codina]

Hi all,

I often work on TextEdit. It says many times how many pages has the files, 
and the number of the page where I am reading.

My question is, how can I go to a specific page? I don't find the way of 
doing this job. If there isn't any possibility of doing that, I wonder if is 
a problem of accessibility or TextEdit itself has not implemented this 
feature. I really don't understand it.

Many thanks in advance.

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Re: good alternative to iTunes for ripping CDs

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Lynnette,

In respect of this program. It is very easy. However, the more you want =
to customise the more it is involved. There is one file that you need to =
edit, if you wish to change anything from the defaults. It's as simple =
as typing abcde.

To Install, providing you have Macports installed:
# sudo port install abcde
Put your CD in the drive and type:
# abcde

This will put a full stop after the number of the track. It will create =
a directory of the artist's name. Inside that directory, will be a sub =
directory of the artist's name. Of the albumn. Being open source =
software the default format is vorbis ogg. It is in q3 mode. All of this =
is changeable within the abcde.conf file. It is very well commented =
file. It can be edited within TextEdit. By default is found in =
/opt/local/etc/abcde.conf.

It is better to leave that one alone and make a copy of it in your own =
home directory. I then copy that one to a file called rip-ogg and =
another called rip-mp3. I then edit both of those rip files with the =
settings I desire for ogg and mp3 files. When I come to rip a disk to =
mp3 I type:

# abcde -c rip-mp3

and for ogg:

# abcde -c rip-ogg.

I have kept the above very simple and such examples may need path =
directives. If you put your customised files in a different place to =
that you give the command.
=20
An example of the default might be from pwd (Present working directory)

Artist Name
inside that
Album Name
Inside that
01.Track_Name.ogg

The only problem I have found is ejecting the CD. I'm having to switch =
to the desktop and ejecting from there.

If you wish to view a abcde.conf which is similar to the default:

=
http://code.google.com/p/abcde/issues/attachmentText?id=3D1&aid=3D-1098436=
14078946506&name=3Dabcde.conf&token=3Da2f898087a0a3c9f37e4435b187e80c3

VO and Safari seem to take you through 69 numbered links before the =
text. I think it is a method of editing that copy and saving it locally.

HTH

Gena
Georgina Joyce
Applied Psychologist
Training and Coaching.
Because individuals of groups matter!


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using mac, with a windows keyboard

[Rudolph, Douglas]

Hey guys, this yet again has probably been discussed, but not sure. My 
university has computers hooked up on a switch for mac and pc modes. but the 
keyboard is a microsoft lay out, 3 key left of spacebar. can somebody point me 
in the right direction to work on this set up correctly? i would like to 
udalise these computers but unsure what the mac to pc keys work out to be.
doug
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Re: iPhone app so I can go for a walk in the woods

[Sarah k Alawami]

here is the app I was talking about on apple vis's site. Sorry it took me so 
long.

http://www.applevis.com/apps/ios/navigation/heare
On Oct 20, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Chris Goodwin  wrote:

> Thanks all for your suggestions.  I'll take a look at MyWay.  I already have 
> Ariadne GPS but can't figure out how to use it for my walk in the woods 
> scenario.
> 
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Re: iPhone app so I can go for a walk in the woods

[Chris Goodwin]

Thanks all for your suggestions.  I'll take a look at MyWay.  I already have 
Ariadne GPS but can't figure out how to use it for my walk in the woods 
scenario.

Chris 
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

[meadowlark77]

Thanks for getting back again.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?


hello Brenda

Actually Gordon says he remembers you from a few years back.

He does, indeed. You ask him if I wasn't always trying to ask him 
questions. Such a little pest, I think I was, then. I was always wanting to 
know something, but you know, he did teach me well. Yes, we’re always 
absolutely inundated with work both related to and not related to the 
project. We know that it’s appreciated by most if not all of our members and 
we are happy to do the job because we believe that we can provide a service 
to the community as a whole. We also get quite a lot out of it ourselves.

Neat you do. This is probably one of the best lists I'm on. I don't see 
people being rude to one another. I really like that.

Now, back to iOS7.02. The general consensus seems to be very positive on the 
whole. There are lots of things to come in the near future I think, and it’s 
quite an exciting time to be involved with this type of technology.

I actually love it. I tell everybody that, when I can't read a site very 
well on my Windows computer, i go to my iPhone and put the link in there and 
can read it all.

There are, however, still quite a few applications kicking around in the 
utilities section of the App Store which are not, but should be, fully 
accessible.  For instance, the BBC iPlayer doesn’t appear to be working 
right with VoiceOver from what I’ve read elsewhere. I haven’t tried it, but 
I’m sure others have.

I haven't either.

As for the native OS and internal applications, has anybody found any aspect 
of iOS7 itself which isn’t accessible?

Not that I know of, at least, what I use is accessible.

Take care and thanks again,

Brenda

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