Re: trying to convert pages document to word using mac

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Laurel,

Here’s the workaround I sent to Accessibility when I reported this bug.

To export to the correct format, a VoiceOver user has to interact with each 
Unknown to hear the name of the format, then bring the mouse and do a 
VO-Shift-Space bar click to select the format.

Cheers,

Anne


On 15 Nov 2013, at 00:52, Laurel and Stockard  wrote:

> Hey guys, advice would be appreciated. I have a friend who needs to see a 
> pages document I have, and is working on a pc. I need to convert this 
> document to microsoft word. I hit file, then export, then word and followed 
> the instructions and saved it. It saves the new document, but when I go into 
> my documents folder to view it, it still says it's a pages document. Somehow, 
> it's not actually making it a word document.
> Thoughts?
> Laurel and Stockard
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[meadowlark77]

My Apple Store is about 45 minutes from here, but Verizon and Wal-Mart are 
right down the road from here. I saw an iPad in Verizon theother day, but I 
didn ot get them to turn VoiceOver on. I looked at the iPad, Mini, the iPad, 
regular size and the iPad Air, but did not get them to turn it on. I 
couldn't afford the price then. I'm actually asking for a friend of mine, 
too, abot all this. Are the iPads at a good volume? I know the iPhones are 
louder than the iPods, for example. What about the iPads?

Thanks in advance,

Brenda

mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


Hi Brenda,
So, you don't have an Apple Store or a Mac store near you? How about a Best 
Buy? Staples? Even Walmart? Lots of stores are carrying iPads these days. 
And all you have to do is get someone to turn voice over on for you when 
you're in the store.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2013, at 8:15 PM, "meadowlark77"  wrote:

> Oo! This is very interesting. I wonder what I'd actually think. Too bad I
> can't go get the feel of one with the screen reader running and so on.
>
> Take care,
>
> Brenda
>
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Paula Hobley" 
> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:45 PM
> Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>
>
> Hi there
>
> I am totally blind and I have both.  I use both for different things.  I
> love using my IPad for reading, as the pages don't turn as often as they 
> do
> on the phone, and the battery lasts a lot longer. I also use it for word
> processing when I'm out and about.  I like the Bluetooth keyboard case for
> the IPad as everything just folds in on itself.  I am not so fond of how 
> the
> menus look in settings, I find it more difficult to conceptualise. I think
> it all comes down to personal preference.
>
> Cheers
>
> Paula
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
> Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 11:16 AM
> To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
> Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>
> As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
> require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better 
> battery
> life.
> The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a 
> cheap
> external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
> experience anyway.
>
> If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
> different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
> display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
> able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
> the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad 
> which
> is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the 
> iPhone.
> However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
> use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.
>
> So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition 
> to
> a phone seem very tenuous to me.
>
> David Griffith
>
> David Griffith
>
>
> .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
> Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>
> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use 
> your
>
> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brenda
>
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Mary Otten]

Hi Brenda,
So, you don't have an Apple Store or a Mac store near you? How about a Best 
Buy? Staples? Even Walmart? Lots of stores are carrying iPads these days. And 
all you have to do is get someone to turn voice over on for you when you're in 
the store.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2013, at 8:15 PM, "meadowlark77"  wrote:

> Oo! This is very interesting. I wonder what I'd actually think. Too bad I 
> can't go get the feel of one with the screen reader running and so on.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Brenda
> 
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Paula Hobley" 
> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:45 PM
> Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> 
> Hi there
> 
> I am totally blind and I have both.  I use both for different things.  I
> love using my IPad for reading, as the pages don't turn as often as they do
> on the phone, and the battery lasts a lot longer. I also use it for word
> processing when I'm out and about.  I like the Bluetooth keyboard case for
> the IPad as everything just folds in on itself.  I am not so fond of how the
> menus look in settings, I find it more difficult to conceptualise. I think
> it all comes down to personal preference.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Paula
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
> Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 11:16 AM
> To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
> Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
> require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
> life.
> The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
> external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
> experience anyway.
> 
> If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
> different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
> display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
> able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
> the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
> is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
> However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
> use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.
> 
> So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
> a phone seem very tenuous to me.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> .
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
> Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
> 
> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brenda
> 
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[meadowlark77]

Oo! This is very interesting. I wonder what I'd actually think. Too bad I 
can't go get the feel of one with the screen reader running and so on.

Take care,

Brenda

mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
- Original Message - 
From: "Paula Hobley" 
To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:45 PM
Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


Hi there

I am totally blind and I have both.  I use both for different things.  I
love using my IPad for reading, as the pages don't turn as often as they do
on the phone, and the battery lasts a lot longer. I also use it for word
processing when I'm out and about.  I like the Bluetooth keyboard case for
the IPad as everything just folds in on itself.  I am not so fond of how the
menus look in settings, I find it more difficult to conceptualise. I think
it all comes down to personal preference.

Cheers

Paula


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
life.
The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
experience anyway.

If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.

So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
a phone seem very tenuous to me.

David Griffith

David Griffith


.

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your

phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[meadowlark77]

Yeah, the batttery does run out quickly on the iPhone. I love my iPhone.

Thanks for your explanation, though.

Take care,

Brenda

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- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


I also have no vision, but I'm glad I have an iPad, and am planning to get a 
mini. I use my i-devices for so much, that I would not want to depend on 
just the one phone. There's  audible, Kindle iBooks. And those are just the 
reading things. There is Twitter, email, and some wordprocessing. In fact, I 
would be interested in knowing more about the accessible version of quick 
office for iPad. This is the first I've heard of that.
In some cases, apps will look and perform differently on the two devices. 
For instance, with websites, on the iPad, you get the regular website. On 
the phone, you get the mobile site. Some apps are laid out differently. For 
example, there is the settings app. On the iPad, you have everything down 
the left for categories, and on the right as a category gets focused, you 
have all the choices. So you don't have to move back and forward between so 
many screens. Occasionally, an app will be more accessible on one platform 
or the other. For example, the site app had been perfectly accessible on the 
iPad, while on the phone it was not. Sadly this is no longer the case.
If you like things like Netflix, the sound on the iPad being stereo, is 
better than it is on the phone. I myself find that app difficult to use, so 
I don't go there. But others do. But the biggest reason is simply that I 
don't think I could do a day on an iPhone if I had to just use that device. 
The battery would run out too soon.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2013, at 4:16 PM, "David Griffith"  
wrote:

> As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
> require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better 
> battery
> life.
> The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a 
> cheap
> external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
> experience anyway.
>
> If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
> different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
> display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
> able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
> the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad 
> which
> is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the 
> iPhone.
> However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
> use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.
>
> So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition 
> to
> a phone seem very tenuous to me.
>
> David Griffith
>
> David Griffith
>
>
> .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
> Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>
> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use 
> your
>
> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brenda
>
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
>
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Matthew Carello]

I also like having an IPHone and iPad mini.  It gives one device a rest at 
times lol. Also certain things work better on one over the other. It just gives 
a nice change of pace at times.
On Nov 14, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

> I also have no vision, but I'm glad I have an iPad, and am planning to get a 
> mini. I use my i-devices for so much, that I would not want to depend on just 
> the one phone. There's  audible, Kindle iBooks. And those are just the 
> reading things. There is Twitter, email, and some wordprocessing. In fact, I 
> would be interested in knowing more about the accessible version of quick 
> office for iPad. This is the first I've heard of that.
> In some cases, apps will look and perform differently on the two devices. For 
> instance, with websites, on the iPad, you get the regular website. On the 
> phone, you get the mobile site. Some apps are laid out differently. For 
> example, there is the settings app. On the iPad, you have everything down the 
> left for categories, and on the right as a category gets focused, you have 
> all the choices. So you don't have to move back and forward between so many 
> screens. Occasionally, an app will be more accessible on one platform or the 
> other. For example, the site app had been perfectly accessible on the iPad, 
> while on the phone it was not. Sadly this is no longer the case.
> If you like things like Netflix, the sound on the iPad being stereo, is 
> better than it is on the phone. I myself find that app difficult to use, so I 
> don't go there. But others do. But the biggest reason is simply that I don't 
> think I could do a day on an iPhone if I had to just use that device. The 
> battery would run out too soon.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 4:16 PM, "David Griffith"  
> wrote:
> 
>> As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
>> require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
>> life.
>> The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
>> external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
>> experience anyway.
>> 
>> If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
>> different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
>> display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
>> able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
>> the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
>> is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
>> However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
>> use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.
>> 
>> So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
>> a phone seem very tenuous to me.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
>> Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
>> 
>> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe 
>> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use 
>> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail, 
>> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so 
>> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
>> 
>> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between 
>> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Brenda
>> 
>> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net 
>> 
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RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Paula Hobley]

Hi there

I am totally blind and I have both.  I use both for different things.  I
love using my IPad for reading, as the pages don't turn as often as they do
on the phone, and the battery lasts a lot longer. I also use it for word
processing when I'm out and about.  I like the Bluetooth keyboard case for
the IPad as everything just folds in on itself.  I am not so fond of how the
menus look in settings, I find it more difficult to conceptualise. I think
it all comes down to personal preference.

Cheers

Paula


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 11:16 AM
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
life.
The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
experience anyway.

If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.

So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
a phone seem very tenuous to me.

David Griffith

David Griffith


.

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your

phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Mary Otten]

I also have no vision, but I'm glad I have an iPad, and am planning to get a 
mini. I use my i-devices for so much, that I would not want to depend on just 
the one phone. There's  audible, Kindle iBooks. And those are just the reading 
things. There is Twitter, email, and some wordprocessing. In fact, I would be 
interested in knowing more about the accessible version of quick office for 
iPad. This is the first I've heard of that.
In some cases, apps will look and perform differently on the two devices. For 
instance, with websites, on the iPad, you get the regular website. On the 
phone, you get the mobile site. Some apps are laid out differently. For 
example, there is the settings app. On the iPad, you have everything down the 
left for categories, and on the right as a category gets focused, you have all 
the choices. So you don't have to move back and forward between so many 
screens. Occasionally, an app will be more accessible on one platform or the 
other. For example, the site app had been perfectly accessible on the iPad, 
while on the phone it was not. Sadly this is no longer the case.
If you like things like Netflix, the sound on the iPad being stereo, is better 
than it is on the phone. I myself find that app difficult to use, so I don't go 
there. But others do. But the biggest reason is simply that I don't think I 
could do a day on an iPhone if I had to just use that device. The battery would 
run out too soon.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2013, at 4:16 PM, "David Griffith"  wrote:

> As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
> require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
> life.
> The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
> external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
> experience anyway.
> 
> If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
> different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
> display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
> able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
> the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
> is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
> However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
> use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.
> 
> So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
> a phone seem very tenuous to me.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> .
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
> Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe 
> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use 
> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail, 
> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so 
> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
> 
> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between 
> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brenda
> 
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Re: function keys 13-19 question.

[Travis Siegel]

I don't have a newer apple keyboard, the one I'm using is the one that  
came with my mac  mini I bought in 2005.  On the very top row is the  
f1-f12 keys.  However, after that, is the f13-f20 keys.  Most of them  
have built-in functions, so usually can't be reassigned to other  
functions, but I've successfully used programs to assign some of those  
keys to other things, though it was some time ago, and I don't use  
those programs anymore.
But, the top row which includes the volume up/down, mute, eject, and  
the three keys above the center group of arrows (the ones that on a pc  
would be print screen, scroll lock, and pause) are labeled f14 f15 and  
f16, and the one after f12 (that looks just like the backspace key)  
because it's bigger than the f1-f12 keys is labeled f13.  Those keys  
(f13-f16) are usable even by terminal apps if they're using proper apis.
Not having seen a newer apple keyboard after the flat ones that came  
out in 2010 or so, I wanted nothing more to do with apple keyboards,  
as I can't stand completely flat keyboards, and the lack of usb ports  
also irritated me, so I now always hunt for the older apple keyboards,  
and snatch them up when I can find them.
Don't know if this rambling explanation helped any, but there it is  
anyhow.  Hope it helps.


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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[meadowlark77]

Actually, it does. You can get it to be cellular or wifi. But the rate I'm 
getting here, I'm happy just to have my iPhone and not having to buy another 
something.

Take care,

Brenda

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- Original Message - 
From: "isaac" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


In my oppinion I don't see a difference between the iPhone and iPad because
the iPhone and iPad have almost the same features The only difference about
the iPad is that it is bigger and  it has a larger screen  it doesn't have
the phone option

-Original Message- 
From: meadowlark77
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:40 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[meadowlark77]

Thank you, David. I, like you, have no vision. Think it'd be better for me 
to just go and buy pages, instead, for a word processor. That's the only 
thing I probably do not have, that I'd like.
Take care,

Brenda

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- Original Message - 
From: "David Griffith" 
To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:16 PM
Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?


As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
life.
The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
experience anyway.

If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.

So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
a phone seem very tenuous to me.

David Griffith

David Griffith


.

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your

phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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Re: Quick Time Player ?s

[Travis Siegel]

In addition to the items already mentioned, sometimes, recording  
volume is a function of how loud the recording will be afterwords, not  
the volume at which the recording is made.
Most recording devices (and I haven't a clue if the newer macs are  
subject to it or not, but the older ones were) perform best if you  
turn the volume to 0 while recording, then afterwords, when you play  
it back, you may turn the volume as loud as you like.  If it's preset  
at a particular volume, then that's as loud as it will go no matter  
what you do, and if you have the volume down low for the recording,  
that means low playback volume as well.
Obviously, not all equipment works this way, but a lot of it does, so  
try different volume settings when you're cording, until you figure  
out what works best.
My imac (circa 2008) works best with the volume at 0 while recording,  
then playback is perfectly fine, and can be cranked up as loud as the  
mac allows.
I'm using quicktime pro, and a headset with a microphone built-in to  
the headset, so of course, your mileage may vary. :)

hth.

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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[isaac]

In my oppinion I don't see a difference between the iPhone and iPad because 
the iPhone and iPad have almost the same features The only difference about 
the iPad is that it is bigger and  it has a larger screen  it doesn't have 
the phone option


-Original Message- 
From: meadowlark77

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:40 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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RE: trying to convert pages document to word using mac

[David Griffith]

As far as I am aware export should work.  As a clunky work around, select
all the text and paste it into TextEdit.
This can then be saved as an rtf file which can ve opened by your friend in
Microsoft Word on his PC.

David Griffith

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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Laurel and Stockard
Sent: 14 November 2013 23:52
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: trying to convert pages document to word using mac

Hey guys, advice would be appreciated. I have a friend who needs to see a
pages document I have, and is working on a pc. I need to convert this
document to microsoft word. I hit file, then export, then word and followed
the instructions and saved it. It saves the new document, but when I go into
my documents folder to view it, it still says it's a pages document.
Somehow, it's not actually making it a word document.
Thoughts?
Laurel and Stockard
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RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[David Griffith]

As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
life.
The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
experience anyway.

If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.

So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
a phone seem very tenuous to me.

David Griffith

David Griffith


.

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe 
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use 
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail, 
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so 
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your

phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between 
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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trying to convert pages document to word using mac

[Laurel and Stockard]

Hey guys, advice would be appreciated. I have a friend who needs to see a pages 
document I have, and is working on a pc. I need to convert this document to 
microsoft word. I hit file, then export, then word and followed the 
instructions and saved it. It saves the new document, but when I go into my 
documents folder to view it, it still says it's a pages document. Somehow, it's 
not actually making it a word document.
Thoughts?
Laurel and Stockard
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advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[meadowlark77]

Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe 
iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use 
my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail, 
write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so 
on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your 
phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between 
the iPad and the iPhone 5?

Thanks,

Brenda

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Re: accessible online chatting using the mac

[Laurel and Stockard]

I know there are a lot of just websites out there with public chat rooms, I'm 
mainly asking about them. Does anybody know of any public websites with public 
chat rooms that are accessible? I love abbium. :-)
Laurel
On Nov 13, 2013, at 11:47 PM, Sean Murphy  wrote:

> Are you looking for a chat program or solution for web chat? Adium is the 
> chat program I recommend for chats via instant messaged. It is very 
> accessible.
> On 14/11/2013, at 9:08 AM, Laurel and Stockard  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hey guys,
>> I know there are a lot of just plain chat rooms out there, where you can 
>> talk to other people all over the world, practice languages, etc. Do any of 
>> you know of an online chatting environment that is voiceover accessible 
>> using a mac? Also, I know a lot of websites and things use different 
>> chatting clients like java etc, what are some things I can look for when 
>> trying to determine the accessibility of one of these chat rooms?
>> Thanks
>> Laurel
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Re: function keys 13-19 question.

[Josh Gregory]

Oh yes, I think I remember that one now. Okay, that makes more sense then. 
Thanks

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 14, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Esther  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim, Josh, Dane, and Others,
> 
> I'm pretty sure that you can make these key reassignments with 
> KeyRemap4MacBook.  Josh, Apple used to make full-size Bluetooth keyboards, 
> but that was quite a while ago.  I imagine that if Jim is asking about a 
> Desktop Extended USB keyboard that might be connected to an iMac, for 
> instance, that the assignment of function keys F13 through F19 could just be 
> done under Keyboard Shortcuts under your System preferences for the Keyboard. 
>  
> 
> I don't remember whether Dane was reading the lists late last year in August 
> and September, but there were discussions about using KeyRemap4MacBook.  In 
> default installed mode, this gives you access to a numerical keypad where the 
> embedded numerical keypads used to appear for Mac laptops (and also PC laptop 
> keyboards) using the right hand side of the keyboard, when these keys were 
> pressed in combination with the FN key.  What was more interesting is that 
> the full set of NumPad Commander custom VoiceOver definitions can be then be 
> used on a laptop keyboard, or with an Apple Wireless keyboard -- including 
> with all modifier key prefixes.
> 
> KeyRemap4MacBook can also remap third party keyboards, and be configured so 
> that the custom key remappings only apply to the native keyboard, to 
> keyboards used under VMWare Fusion, to Bluetooth keyboards, and to specific 
> third party keyboards, or any combination of the above.  And despite the 
> name, this software application can be used for any Mac keyboard -- not just 
> laptops.  Eric Caron went on to post an AppleVis podcast and set of 
> directions on how to remap the VoiceOver key combination (Control + Option) 
> to the Caps Lock key, and to use the Caps Lock key under VMWare Fusion as the 
> Insert key using KeyRemap4MacBook.
> 
> There are also some keyboard manufacturers, such as the Canadian manufacturer 
> Matias, that make third party keyboards for the Mac in both the extended and 
> laptop varieties.  Matias is probably better known for its support of the 
> ALPS type keyboards favored by some older PC users over the flatter, chiclet 
> type keyboards currently used on Mac laptops and on the Apple Wireless 
> keyboard.  They also have a Bluetooth laptop keyboard which has the ALPS type 
> key action (clicky feel and larger travel when keys are pressed), but with 
> basically the laptop layout (and a few extra dedicated keys for Page Up, Page 
> Down, and forward delete), and with the F-keys separated both from the other 
> key rows, and grouped in sets of four.  These are, however, more expensive 
> keyboards, and the cheapest price I've seen quoted for the Matias Laptop Pro 
> for Mac keyboard is $147.95 (with free shipping) for this Bluetooth keyboard. 
>  (It lists for $169.95).
> 
> HTH. Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 6:49 AM, Josh Gregory wrote:
>> 
>> I've seen keyboards that do, but these are desktop keyboards, I think my 
>> mom's current computer keyboard has them, but that's  windows. So Bluetooth 
>> keyboards that can work with a Mac have these?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> 
>>> Glad you asked that question and may I follow it with another question.  If 
>>> you're using an Apple Bluetooth keyboard without the number pad and the 
>>> extra keys then how in the world would you use function keys 13 to 19? I 
>>> suppose a lot of this would have to do with using the FN key.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 15 Nov 2013, at 3:38 am, Josh Gregory wrote:
 
 Wait, I didn't think a mac had function keys 13 to 19, so… It does? How is 
 that possible? Not asking to be rude or anything, but just curious as I 
 didn't think the standard keyboard had these keys.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks:
> 
> Apart from using a program such as Quicksilver, is there a way to assign 
> function keys 13-19 as shortcut keys?
> 
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Re: function keys 13-19 question.

[Jim Noseworthy]

Hello:

Thanks for your comments.  The problem is that, as far as I know, they 
cannot be assigned in the Preferences/keyboard/shortcuts options.  Of 
course, I certainly could be mistaken.


Thanks all over the place.



On 11/14/2013 3:48 PM, Esther wrote:

Hi Jim, Josh, Dane, and Others,

I'm pretty sure that you can make these key reassignments with 
KeyRemap4MacBook.  Josh, Apple used to make full-size Bluetooth keyboards, but 
that was quite a while ago.  I imagine that if Jim is asking about a Desktop 
Extended USB keyboard that might be connected to an iMac, for instance, that 
the assignment of function keys F13 through F19 could just be done under 
Keyboard Shortcuts under your System preferences for the Keyboard.

I don't remember whether Dane was reading the lists late last year in August 
and September, but there were discussions about using KeyRemap4MacBook.  In 
default installed mode, this gives you access to a numerical keypad where the 
embedded numerical keypads used to appear for Mac laptops (and also PC laptop 
keyboards) using the right hand side of the keyboard, when these keys were 
pressed in combination with the FN key.  What was more interesting is that the 
full set of NumPad Commander custom VoiceOver definitions can be then be used 
on a laptop keyboard, or with an Apple Wireless keyboard -- including with all 
modifier key prefixes.

KeyRemap4MacBook can also remap third party keyboards, and be configured so 
that the custom key remappings only apply to the native keyboard, to keyboards 
used under VMWare Fusion, to Bluetooth keyboards, and to specific third party 
keyboards, or any combination of the above.  And despite the name, this 
software application can be used for any Mac keyboard -- not just laptops.  
Eric Caron went on to post an AppleVis podcast and set of directions on how to 
remap the VoiceOver key combination (Control + Option) to the Caps Lock key, 
and to use the Caps Lock key under VMWare Fusion as the Insert key using 
KeyRemap4MacBook.

There are also some keyboard manufacturers, such as the Canadian manufacturer 
Matias, that make third party keyboards for the Mac in both the extended and 
laptop varieties.  Matias is probably better known for its support of the ALPS 
type keyboards favored by some older PC users over the flatter, chiclet type 
keyboards currently used on Mac laptops and on the Apple Wireless keyboard.  
They also have a Bluetooth laptop keyboard which has the ALPS type key action 
(clicky feel and larger travel when keys are pressed), but with basically the 
laptop layout (and a few extra dedicated keys for Page Up, Page Down, and 
forward delete), and with the F-keys separated both from the other key rows, 
and grouped in sets of four.  These are, however, more expensive keyboards, and 
the cheapest price I've seen quoted for the Matias Laptop Pro for Mac keyboard 
is $147.95 (with free shipping) for this Bluetooth keyboard.  (It lists for 
$169.95).

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On Nov 14, 2013, at 6:49 AM, Josh Gregory wrote:


I've seen keyboards that do, but these are desktop keyboards, I think my mom's 
current computer keyboard has them, but that's  windows. So Bluetooth keyboards 
that can work with a Mac have these?

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Glad you asked that question and may I follow it with another question.  If 
you're using an Apple Bluetooth keyboard without the number pad and the extra 
keys then how in the world would you use function keys 13 to 19? I suppose a 
lot of this would have to do with using the FN key.



On 15 Nov 2013, at 3:38 am, Josh Gregory wrote:

Wait, I didn't think a mac had function keys 13 to 19, so… It does? How is that 
possible? Not asking to be rude or anything, but just curious as I didn't think 
the standard keyboard had these keys.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Hi Folks:

Apart from using a program such as Quicksilver, is there a way to assign 
function keys 13-19 as shortcut keys?

Thanks all over the place.


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Re: function keys 13-19 question.

[Esther]

Hi Jim, Josh, Dane, and Others,

I'm pretty sure that you can make these key reassignments with 
KeyRemap4MacBook.  Josh, Apple used to make full-size Bluetooth keyboards, but 
that was quite a while ago.  I imagine that if Jim is asking about a Desktop 
Extended USB keyboard that might be connected to an iMac, for instance, that 
the assignment of function keys F13 through F19 could just be done under 
Keyboard Shortcuts under your System preferences for the Keyboard.  

I don't remember whether Dane was reading the lists late last year in August 
and September, but there were discussions about using KeyRemap4MacBook.  In 
default installed mode, this gives you access to a numerical keypad where the 
embedded numerical keypads used to appear for Mac laptops (and also PC laptop 
keyboards) using the right hand side of the keyboard, when these keys were 
pressed in combination with the FN key.  What was more interesting is that the 
full set of NumPad Commander custom VoiceOver definitions can be then be used 
on a laptop keyboard, or with an Apple Wireless keyboard -- including with all 
modifier key prefixes.

KeyRemap4MacBook can also remap third party keyboards, and be configured so 
that the custom key remappings only apply to the native keyboard, to keyboards 
used under VMWare Fusion, to Bluetooth keyboards, and to specific third party 
keyboards, or any combination of the above.  And despite the name, this 
software application can be used for any Mac keyboard -- not just laptops.  
Eric Caron went on to post an AppleVis podcast and set of directions on how to 
remap the VoiceOver key combination (Control + Option) to the Caps Lock key, 
and to use the Caps Lock key under VMWare Fusion as the Insert key using 
KeyRemap4MacBook.

There are also some keyboard manufacturers, such as the Canadian manufacturer 
Matias, that make third party keyboards for the Mac in both the extended and 
laptop varieties.  Matias is probably better known for its support of the ALPS 
type keyboards favored by some older PC users over the flatter, chiclet type 
keyboards currently used on Mac laptops and on the Apple Wireless keyboard.  
They also have a Bluetooth laptop keyboard which has the ALPS type key action 
(clicky feel and larger travel when keys are pressed), but with basically the 
laptop layout (and a few extra dedicated keys for Page Up, Page Down, and 
forward delete), and with the F-keys separated both from the other key rows, 
and grouped in sets of four.  These are, however, more expensive keyboards, and 
the cheapest price I've seen quoted for the Matias Laptop Pro for Mac keyboard 
is $147.95 (with free shipping) for this Bluetooth keyboard.  (It lists for 
$169.95).

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On Nov 14, 2013, at 6:49 AM, Josh Gregory wrote:

> I've seen keyboards that do, but these are desktop keyboards, I think my 
> mom's current computer keyboard has them, but that's  windows. So Bluetooth 
> keyboards that can work with a Mac have these?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> Glad you asked that question and may I follow it with another question.  If 
>> you're using an Apple Bluetooth keyboard without the number pad and the 
>> extra keys then how in the world would you use function keys 13 to 19? I 
>> suppose a lot of this would have to do with using the FN key.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 15 Nov 2013, at 3:38 am, Josh Gregory wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wait, I didn't think a mac had function keys 13 to 19, so… It does? How is 
>>> that possible? Not asking to be rude or anything, but just curious as I 
>>> didn't think the standard keyboard had these keys.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
 
 Hi Folks:
 
 Apart from using a program such as Quicksilver, is there a way to assign 
 function keys 13-19 as shortcut keys?
 
 Thanks all over the place.
 
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Papa Sangre II iOS Audio game on sale today for $0.99

[Esther]

Hi All,

The popular iOS audio game, Papa Sangre II, is on sale today for $0.99, reduced 
from its usual price of $4.99 in celebration of the success of the version 2 
launch in the app store.  Note that they say this game is not supported on the 
iPhone 4 and iPod Touch 4.  Here's the App Store URL:
• Papa Sangre II (on sale for $0.99, usually $4.99) by Playground Publishing 
B.V.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/papa-sangre-ii/id710535349?mt=8

You can also read the AppleVis directory entry:
http://www.applevis.com/apps/ios/games/papa-sangre-ii

Cheers,

Esther


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Re: Quick Time Player ?s

[Lewis Crack]

Hi,

On my MacBook, the Mic is near the keyboard somewhere on the left hand
side too. I would recommend a USB Microphone, perhaps a Logitech one
that can record in high quality and give you a good loud sound. You
can get such microphones from Amazon.
Hope this helps a bit.
Regards.
Lewis.


On 14/11/2013, Andy Collins  wrote:
> I Eileen -
>
> I don't think a headset with mic would be powerful enough to record an
> external source such as a  lecture. As I understand things, not all headsets
> with mics work on the Air, it's something to do with the number of rings on
> the mini jack plug, so try what you have and see if it works. Certainly
> Apple head sets do, so if you have an iPhone for example, you should be ok
> with those headphones, but when it comes to using an external mic, I haven't
> tried this so can't say how successful you will be. Incidentally, Apple are
> not the only headphones that work on the Air, I have a pair of sennheissers
> with a mic that work well -
>
> Andy
> On 14 Nov 2013, at 16:32, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>
>> Hi Andy,
>>
>> thanks for the explanation of where the built-in mic is found. Since, I
>> have basically used a PC, I assumed that the microphone was where you
>> described. I have a pair of headsets that has a mic to it. I will give
>> this a try in a little bit. Would this arrangement of the mic with the
>> headset work to record lectures of considerable length or would a
>> dedicated external mic be more appropriate for these types of tasks?
>>
>> Thanks for getting back to me quickly.
>>
>> Best,
>> Eileen
>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Andy Collins 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eileen -
>>>
>>> Are you using the built in mic? It might be that you are too far from it.
>>> It's not mounted on the top of the screen, as on some laptops, but is on
>>> the left hand side, just below where the headphones plug in, so you might
>>> like to bend your head over that way  the better way in my
>>> opinion, is use a pair of compatible headphones that have a built in mic,
>>> the mic will be closer to your mouth, and you can sit upright  -
>>>
>>> Andy
>>> On 14 Nov 2013, at 16:02, Eileen Misrahi 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello List,

 I wasn't aware that this existed on my Air until reading this thread. I
 am experimenting around with the settings, but I need some guidance. I
 first opened the recording options and selected the microphone volume,
 but after making a short recording, the playback is quite low even on
 maximum. What do I need to do to increase the playback volume? I am
 relatively new to recording with the Air, as well as a 2.5 month old
 newbie with this Mac. Any instructions on how to interface with the
 Quick Time Player would be terrific.

 Thanks in advance.

 Best,
 Eileen
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Re: Quick Time Player ?s

[Andy Collins]

I Eileen -

I don't think a headset with mic would be powerful enough to record an external 
source such as a  lecture. As I understand things, not all headsets with mics 
work on the Air, it's something to do with the number of rings on the mini jack 
plug, so try what you have and see if it works. Certainly Apple head sets do, 
so if you have an iPhone for example, you should be ok with those headphones, 
but when it comes to using an external mic, I haven't tried this so can't say 
how successful you will be. Incidentally, Apple are not the only headphones 
that work on the Air, I have a pair of sennheissers with a mic that work well -

Andy
On 14 Nov 2013, at 16:32, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:

> Hi Andy,
> 
> thanks for the explanation of where the built-in mic is found. Since, I have 
> basically used a PC, I assumed that the microphone was where you described. I 
> have a pair of headsets that has a mic to it. I will give this a try in a 
> little bit. Would this arrangement of the mic with the headset work to record 
> lectures of considerable length or would a dedicated external mic be more 
> appropriate for these types of tasks? 
> 
> Thanks for getting back to me quickly. 
> 
> Best, 
> Eileen 
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Andy Collins  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Eileen -
>> 
>> Are you using the built in mic? It might be that you are too far from it. 
>> It's not mounted on the top of the screen, as on some laptops, but is on the 
>> left hand side, just below where the headphones plug in, so you might like 
>> to bend your head over that way  the better way in my opinion, is use 
>> a pair of compatible headphones that have a built in mic, the mic will be 
>> closer to your mouth, and you can sit upright  -
>> 
>> Andy
>> On 14 Nov 2013, at 16:02, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello List, 
>>> 
>>> I wasn't aware that this existed on my Air until reading this thread. I am 
>>> experimenting around with the settings, but I need some guidance. I first 
>>> opened the recording options and selected the microphone volume, but after 
>>> making a short recording, the playback is quite low even on maximum. What 
>>> do I need to do to increase the playback volume? I am relatively new to 
>>> recording with the Air, as well as a 2.5 month old newbie with this Mac. 
>>> Any instructions on how to interface with the Quick Time Player would be 
>>> terrific. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance. 
>>> 
>>> Best, 
>>> Eileen 
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Re: Quick Time Player ?s

[Esther]

Hi Eileen,

The MacBook Air microphone placement is different from where it is located in 
earlier Mac laptops, too.  from this weekend's discussion I'll just summarize 
that "compatible Mic" is basically one that you could use with your iPhone 
headset and plug into the audio headset jack for both recording a listening.  
The headset mic that came with your iPhone will work, unless you need to have 
VoiceOver also recorded.  Otherwise, you can use a USB mic, or a USB adapter 
that will accept a standard 3.5 mm mini connector.  The Griffin iMic is one 
such adapter.

Be aware that QuickTime records in .m4a files, if you are intending to send 
these to a PC user.  I'd just try this out with your iPhone headset mic on a 
short section.  It will probably do what you want for simple lecture recordings.

Cheers,

Esther 

On Nov 14, 2013, at 6:32 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:

> Hi Andy,
> 
> thanks for the explanation of where the built-in mic is found. Since, I have 
> basically used a PC, I assumed that the microphone was where you described. I 
> have a pair of headsets that has a mic to it. I will give this a try in a 
> little bit. Would this arrangement of the mic with the headset work to record 
> lectures of considerable length or would a dedicated external mic be more 
> appropriate for these types of tasks? 
> 
> Thanks for getting back to me quickly. 
> 
> Best, 
> Eileen 
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Andy Collins wrote:
> 
>> Hi Eileen -
>> 
>> Are you using the built in mic? It might be that you are too far from it. 
>> It's not mounted on the top of the screen, as on some laptops, but is on the 
>> left hand side, just below where the headphones plug in, so you might like 
>> to bend your head over that way  the better way in my opinion, is use 
>> a pair of compatible headphones that have a built in mic, the mic will be 
>> closer to your mouth, and you can sit upright  -
>> 
>> Andy
>> On 14 Nov 2013, at 16:02, Eileen Misrahi wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello List, 
>>> 
>>> I wasn't aware that this existed on my Air until reading this thread. I am 
>>> experimenting around with the settings, but I need some guidance. I first 
>>> opened the recording options and selected the microphone volume, but after 
>>> making a short recording, the playback is quite low even on maximum. What 
>>> do I need to do to increase the playback volume? I am relatively new to 
>>> recording with the Air, as well as a 2.5 month old newbie with this Mac. 
>>> Any instructions on how to interface with the Quick Time Player would be 
>>> terrific. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance. 
>>> 
>>> Best, 
>>> Eileen 
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Re: function keys 13-19 question.

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I've seen keyboards that do, but these are desktop keyboards, I think my mom's 
current computer keyboard has them, but that's  windows. So Bluetooth keyboards 
that can work with a Mac have these?

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>> that possible? Not asking to be rude or anything, but just curious as I 
>> didn't think the standard keyboard had these keys.
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Glad you asked that question and may I follow it with another question.  If 
you're using an Apple Bluetooth keyboard without the number pad and the extra 
keys then how in the world would you use function keys 13 to 19? I suppose a 
lot of this would have to do with using the FN key.


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> Wait, I didn't think a mac had function keys 13 to 19, so… It does? How is 
> that possible? Not asking to be rude or anything, but just curious as I 
> didn't think the standard keyboard had these keys.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: function keys 13-19 question.

[Josh Gregory]

Wait, I didn't think a mac had function keys 13 to 19, so… It does? How is that 
possible? Not asking to be rude or anything, but just curious as I didn't think 
the standard keyboard had these keys.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Quick Time Player ?s

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Andy,

thanks for the explanation of where the built-in mic is found. Since, I have 
basically used a PC, I assumed that the microphone was where you described. I 
have a pair of headsets that has a mic to it. I will give this a try in a 
little bit. Would this arrangement of the mic with the headset work to record 
lectures of considerable length or would a dedicated external mic be more 
appropriate for these types of tasks? 

Thanks for getting back to me quickly. 

Best, 
Eileen 
On Nov 14, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Andy Collins  wrote:

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> 
> Are you using the built in mic? It might be that you are too far from it. 
> It's not mounted on the top of the screen, as on some laptops, but is on the 
> left hand side, just below where the headphones plug in, so you might like to 
> bend your head over that way  the better way in my opinion, is use a 
> pair of compatible headphones that have a built in mic, the mic will be 
> closer to your mouth, and you can sit upright  -
> 
> Andy
> On 14 Nov 2013, at 16:02, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
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>> 
>> I wasn't aware that this existed on my Air until reading this thread. I am 
>> experimenting around with the settings, but I need some guidance. I first 
>> opened the recording options and selected the microphone volume, but after 
>> making a short recording, the playback is quite low even on maximum. What do 
>> I need to do to increase the playback volume? I am relatively new to 
>> recording with the Air, as well as a 2.5 month old newbie with this Mac. Any 
>> instructions on how to interface with the Quick Time Player would be 
>> terrific. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance. 
>> 
>> Best, 
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[Jim Noseworthy]

Hi Folks:

Apart from using a program such as Quicksilver, is there a way to assign 
function keys 13-19 as shortcut keys?

Thanks all over the place.

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Re: Quick Time Player ?s

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Hi Eileen -

Are you using the built in mic? It might be that you are too far from it. It's 
not mounted on the top of the screen, as on some laptops, but is on the left 
hand side, just below where the headphones plug in, so you might like to bend 
your head over that way  the better way in my opinion, is use a pair of 
compatible headphones that have a built in mic, the mic will be closer to your 
mouth, and you can sit upright  -

Andy
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> Hello List, 
> 
> I wasn't aware that this existed on my Air until reading this thread. I am 
> experimenting around with the settings, but I need some guidance. I first 
> opened the recording options and selected the microphone volume, but after 
> making a short recording, the playback is quite low even on maximum. What do 
> I need to do to increase the playback volume? I am relatively new to 
> recording with the Air, as well as a 2.5 month old newbie with this Mac. Any 
> instructions on how to interface with the Quick Time Player would be 
> terrific. 
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> Best, 
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Quick Time Player ?s

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Hello List, 

I wasn't aware that this existed on my Air until reading this thread. I am 
experimenting around with the settings, but I need some guidance. I first 
opened the recording options and selected the microphone volume, but after 
making a short recording, the playback is quite low even on maximum. What do I 
need to do to increase the playback volume? I am relatively new to recording 
with the Air, as well as a 2.5 month old newbie with this Mac. Any instructions 
on how to interface with the Quick Time Player would be terrific. 

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Re: Junk mail on Mavericks

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I do it from the gmail web site. I think apple and gmail changed the way they 
do this. personally I like the set up as I get over 50 spams a day  so I can 
just mark what I don’t want as spam and have it put in my mail box the next 
time I launch apple mail and gmeil will remember this.

Either that or what you are describing is a bug as there are still some of the 
same issues that there were  in mac osx mail before the patch release.

Take care.
On Nov 14, 2013, at 4:46 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:

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> I am running the latest version of Apple mail on Mavericks. 
> 
> I want to disable junk mail - that is have junk mail treated like ordinary 
> mail and added to my inbox- but have not been able to do this. I went to mail 
> preferences and turned junk mail filtering off but that make no difference. 
> Junk mail is still put in the junk mail mail box. I then turned junk mail 
> filtering back on and asked that junk mail be marked as junk and put in my 
> inbox. Again this made no difference the junk mail was still added to the 
> junk mail mail box. 
> 
> So how can I disable junk mail filtering? 
> 
> If I cannot do this is there any way to mark junk mail as not junk so that 
> mail from that sender is no longer treated as junk? 
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Hello, 
I am running the latest version of Apple mail on Mavericks. 

I want to disable junk mail - that is have junk mail treated like ordinary mail 
and added to my inbox- but have not been able to do this. I went to mail 
preferences and turned junk mail filtering off but that make no difference. 
Junk mail is still put in the junk mail mail box. I then turned junk mail 
filtering back on and asked that junk mail be marked as junk and put in my 
inbox. Again this made no difference the junk mail was still added to the junk 
mail mail box. 

So how can I disable junk mail filtering? 

If I cannot do this is there any way to mark junk mail as not junk so that mail 
from that sender is no longer treated as junk? 

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Re: how to make mac record sound and video?

[Esther]

Hello Mark,

If you're speaking about using QuickTime Player to record, following the line 
of the discussion of a few days ago, there are File menu options for "New Movie 
Recording" as well as "New Audio Recording". Just as with the audio recording 
option you can navigate to the "Recording Options" menu button, VO-Space, and 
choose the quality of your recording and its "Save to" location. Unlike audio 
recordings, you don't have to VO-tab in order to use the shortcut for a new 
movie recording (Command-Option-n) when you're running VoiceOver. If you don't 
use the "Choose…" option to select a specific location for your movies in the 
dialogue window (using all the default Finder shortcuts among your navigation 
options like Command-Shift-d for "Desktop", Command-Shift-o for "Documents", 
Command-Shift-h for your top level home directory, Command-Shift-g for an 
arbitrary "Go to folder" path that you specify, etc.), then I'm not sure, but I 
think the recording might be saved to your account's iMovies folder.  You could 
always check by using a Spotlight search.  When you stop recording the file 
should show up under the "Open Recents" option of your File menu with the name 
"Movie Recording". (I checked this to find out the name assigned.)  I think 
that using the Command-O shortcut to open a file (also listed in the File menu) 
may open your default location for these files, but I'm not sure since I 
separately set up a location.  However, if you did a spotlight search on "Movie 
Recording" and used Command-Return to move to the location in Finder, you could 
certainly find this out.

On a laptop or with an iMac you'd be using your default iSight camera to record 
a video.  I'm not sure what happens with a Mac Mini, especially for people who 
are trying to run without a monitor.You also have sharing options once you stop 
recording and play back the video.

By the way, in the earlier discussion about Audio recording, Sarah said that 
she doesn't bother with large programs like Amadeus Pro for short recordings.  
Well, neither do I, but there's a very old audio recording program that we used 
to point people to called "Audio Recorder" that still works in all the versions 
of the Mac that I've ever tried. And when I mean "old", the date of the last 
README file that came with this is 2008.  It was written by a guy named Ben 
Shanfelder, and distributed from his dot Mac (and later from his MobileMe) web 
account.  You can choose your file format in the profile, and I think the 
default is WAV.  MP3 requires installing the LAME library, which I did a long 
time ago on one of my machines, but which would probably be a pain to do now.  
(This was back when the default MP3 encoding scheme used by QuickTime and 
iTunes wasn't as good as it is now, so the LAME encoder for MP3 recording was 
used.) Anyway, it all still works in a really small profile window with options 
for choosing the recording format type if you don't want to use m4a by default.

I kept a copy of a valid download location, and checked that this still works:
http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Audio/Audio-Recorder.shtml
I do find Softpedia a pain to get to the correct link, but this still worked 
correctly (without malware) when I tried over the weekend.  Before version 
tracker got taken over by CNET you used to be able to download software from 
there, as well as from the MacUpdate site.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


On Nov 13, 2013, at 11:34 PM, Mark Furness wrote:  

> Just what people are saying is enough, but video for people to see is better.
> 
> Where is it saved to?
> 
> Mark

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Just what people are saying is enough, but video for people to see is better.

Where is it saved to?

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