Zoom iQ5: A tiny professional stereo microphone for Lightning connector devices

[Sarah k Alawami]

I've heard this mic and it sounds good, although my otter box case will make 
the thing impossible to use unless there's some kind of adapter. It still 
sounds quite good though. it is too bad the handy app that zoom has out is not 
as accessible as it could be, for example splitting, normalizing and all of 
that stuff, but you could always use a different recording app if you want to 
such as boss jock which I love.

Enjoy.


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Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

[Christopher gilland]

That's kind of cool.  I didn't realize you could do that.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Gregory" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option 
key



No, if you press the option key plus the arrow keys, it will show you the 
condition of the battery, for example, normal, needs service, replace now, 
etc.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 29, 2014, at 12:11 AM, "Christopher gilland" 
 wrote:


Maybe I'm confused.  Can't you do that without the alt options?  Just go 
to your menu extras, and it'll show you the percentage, won't it?


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the 
option key



Yes, my apologies, now that I think about it, there is a way to do this 
as Sarah suggested, I do this to access the condition of the battery if 
I need to.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:13 PM, Michael Marshall 
 wrote:


hey criss,
will have a play with this.
there needs to be a way for VO users to work with these extra options.
On 29 Jan 2014, at 1:45 pm, Christopher gilland 
 wrote:


I don't think that's what he meant.  Your Voiceover keys are control 
and option.  So if you're already holding them down to navigate, then 
how are you supposed to get to those extra options which would require 
you to hold the option key down while hovering your mouse over the 
key.  The only way that I've found to get this to work is to open up 
the menu, vo+down arrow to the option which needs to be changed over, 
then route your mouse with vo+command+F5, then hit your option key 
while clicking your physical mouse or trackpad.  the only issue with 
this however is beware, there really isn't, at least that I know of, a 
reliable way to see what the options turn to when holding down the 
option key since you can't navigate effectively with voiceover while 
the Option key is held down.  Again, I know.  You already are! holding 
down your option key with your voiceover keys.  that's my whole point. 
If you're holding down the control and option keys already, then you 
don't have a w

ay


of specifying to change to the alt option.  Ya know?  So, yeah, it's 
probably not the most effective way to do things, however, that said, I 
have found times, very few and far between, but still, I have seen 
times where I didn't have a choice, and that's how I got around it. 
Again, not probably the answer you wanted, I'm sure, but it's what I 
got.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 


To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the 
option key



You work with these the same way you do normal menus, when an option 
comes up that you want, press VO+Space to activith such options.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Michael Marshall 
 wrote:


hey all,
i have a quick question for you all.
i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by 
sub menu and i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu 
changed to say sort by.
how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the 
option key down to see the new options that come up. how do you 
enter these menus to work with the new options?

thanks for any help

Michael
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Re: in a few short mounths i wil be geting a mack book air

[Sarah k Alawami]

hello, and welcome to the list. It depends on what you will be using it for. 

Someone can correct me if I"m wrong as I am a bit behind in the mac world. Once 
you choose your ram size in the newer models you will not be able to upgrade. 
If you will be using your mac to just surf, do school work, etc 4 should be 
fine. If how ever you anticipate in the future running windows either virtually 
or via boot camp, editing with garage band, doing a seri project etc, 70grade 
it to 8. The same goes with the hard drive. I hope others will give advice and 
examples as well.

Good luck and try your best and absorb  what you can in terms of learning the 
beast. it is very pattern driven. For example,  in a few days I myself was 
taking notes in class, mainly because I had no choice. My other computer died. 
*smiles*

Take care and good luck, and again welcome to the list.
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Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
i tried the option with the arrows and up and down only took me to the very top 
and bottom of the menus.
also tried the mouse stuff and still no luck.
thanks for everyones help.
Michael
On 29 Jan 2014, at 4:03 pm, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> Yes, my apologies, now that I think about it, there is a way to do this as 
> Sarah suggested, I do this to access the condition of the battery if I need 
> to.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:13 PM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hey criss,
>> will have a play with this.
>> there needs to be a way for VO users to work with these extra options.
>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 1:45 pm, Christopher gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think that's what he meant.  Your Voiceover keys are control and 
>>> option.  So if you're already holding them down to navigate, then how are 
>>> you supposed to get to those extra options which would require you to hold 
>>> the option key down while hovering your mouse over the key.  The only way 
>>> that I've found to get this to work is to open up the menu, vo+down arrow 
>>> to the option which needs to be changed over, then route your mouse with 
>>> vo+command+F5, then hit your option key while clicking your physical mouse 
>>> or trackpad.  the only issue with this however is beware, there really 
>>> isn't, at least that I know of, a reliable way to see what the options turn 
>>> to when holding down the option key since you can't navigate effectively 
>>> with voiceover while the Option key is held down.  Again, I know.  You 
>>> already are! holding down your option key with your voiceover keys.  that's 
>>> my whole point.  If you're holding down the control and option keys 
>>> already, then you don't have a wa
 y
> 
>> of specifying to change to the alt option.  Ya know?  So, yeah, it's 
>> probably not the most effective way to do things, however, that said, I have 
>> found times, very few and far between, but still, I have seen times where I 
>> didn't have a choice, and that's how I got around it.  Again, not probably 
>> the answer you wanted, I'm sure, but it's what I got.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
>>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option 
>>> key
>>> 
>>> 
 You work with these the same way you do normal menus, when an option comes 
 up that you want, press VO+Space to activith such options.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> hey all,
> i have a quick question for you all.
> i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by sub 
> menu and i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu changed to 
> say sort by.
> how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the 
> option key down to see the new options that come up. how do you enter 
> these menus to work with the new options?
> thanks for any help
> 
> Michael
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Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

[Josh Gregory]

No, if you press the option key plus the arrow keys, it will show you the 
condition of the battery, for example, normal, needs service, replace now, etc.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2014, at 12:11 AM, "Christopher gilland" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Maybe I'm confused.  Can't you do that without the alt options?  Just go to 
> your menu extras, and it'll show you the percentage, won't it?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:03 AM
> Subject: Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option 
> key
> 
> 
>> Yes, my apologies, now that I think about it, there is a way to do this as 
>> Sarah suggested, I do this to access the condition of the battery if I need 
>> to.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:13 PM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey criss,
>>> will have a play with this.
>>> there needs to be a way for VO users to work with these extra options.
 On 29 Jan 2014, at 1:45 pm, Christopher gilland  
 wrote:
 
 I don't think that's what he meant.  Your Voiceover keys are control and 
 option.  So if you're already holding them down to navigate, then how are 
 you supposed to get to those extra options which would require you to hold 
 the option key down while hovering your mouse over the key.  The only way 
 that I've found to get this to work is to open up the menu, vo+down arrow 
 to the option which needs to be changed over, then route your mouse with 
 vo+command+F5, then hit your option key while clicking your physical mouse 
 or trackpad.  the only issue with this however is beware, there really 
 isn't, at least that I know of, a reliable way to see what the options 
 turn to when holding down the option key since you can't navigate 
 effectively with voiceover while the Option key is held down.  Again, I 
 know.  You already are! holding down your option key with your voiceover 
 keys.  that's my whole point.  If you're holding down the control and 
 option keys already, then you don't have a w
 ay
>> 
>>> of specifying to change to the alt option.  Ya know?  So, yeah, it's 
>>> probably not the most effective way to do things, however, that said, I 
>>> have found times, very few and far between, but still, I have seen times 
>>> where I didn't have a choice, and that's how I got around it.  Again, not 
>>> probably the answer you wanted, I'm sure, but it's what I got.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
 To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:30 PM
 Subject: Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the 
 option key
 
 
> You work with these the same way you do normal menus, when an option 
> comes up that you want, press VO+Space to activith such options.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Michael Marshall 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> hey all,
>> i have a quick question for you all.
>> i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by sub 
>> menu and i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu changed to 
>> say sort by.
>> how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the 
>> option key down to see the new options that come up. how do you enter 
>> these menus to work with the new options?
>> thanks for any help
>> 
>> Michael
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Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

[Christopher gilland]

Maybe I'm confused.  Can't you do that without the alt options?  Just go to 
your menu extras, and it'll show you the percentage, won't it?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Gregory" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option 
key



Yes, my apologies, now that I think about it, there is a way to do this as 
Sarah suggested, I do this to access the condition of the battery if I 
need to.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:13 PM, Michael Marshall 
 wrote:


hey criss,
will have a play with this.
there needs to be a way for VO users to work with these extra options.
On 29 Jan 2014, at 1:45 pm, Christopher gilland 
 wrote:


I don't think that's what he meant.  Your Voiceover keys are control and 
option.  So if you're already holding them down to navigate, then how 
are you supposed to get to those extra options which would require you 
to hold the option key down while hovering your mouse over the key.  The 
only way that I've found to get this to work is to open up the menu, 
vo+down arrow to the option which needs to be changed over, then route 
your mouse with vo+command+F5, then hit your option key while clicking 
your physical mouse or trackpad.  the only issue with this however is 
beware, there really isn't, at least that I know of, a reliable way to 
see what the options turn to when holding down the option key since you 
can't navigate effectively with voiceover while the Option key is held 
down.  Again, I know.  You already are! holding down your option key 
with your voiceover keys.  that's my whole point.  If you're holding 
down the control and option keys already, then you don't have a way


of specifying to change to the alt option.  Ya know?  So, yeah, it's 
probably not the most effective way to do things, however, that said, I 
have found times, very few and far between, but still, I have seen times 
where I didn't have a choice, and that's how I got around it.  Again, not 
probably the answer you wanted, I'm sure, but it's what I got.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the 
option key



You work with these the same way you do normal menus, when an option 
comes up that you want, press VO+Space to activith such options.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Michael Marshall 
 wrote:


hey all,
i have a quick question for you all.
i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by sub 
menu and i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu changed 
to say sort by.
how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the 
option key down to see the new options that come up. how do you enter 
these menus to work with the new options?

thanks for any help

Michael
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Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

[Josh Gregory]

Yes, my apologies, now that I think about it, there is a way to do this as 
Sarah suggested, I do this to access the condition of the battery if I need to.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:13 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> hey criss,
> will have a play with this.
> there needs to be a way for VO users to work with these extra options.
>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 1:45 pm, Christopher gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think that's what he meant.  Your Voiceover keys are control and 
>> option.  So if you're already holding them down to navigate, then how are 
>> you supposed to get to those extra options which would require you to hold 
>> the option key down while hovering your mouse over the key.  The only way 
>> that I've found to get this to work is to open up the menu, vo+down arrow to 
>> the option which needs to be changed over, then route your mouse with 
>> vo+command+F5, then hit your option key while clicking your physical mouse 
>> or trackpad.  the only issue with this however is beware, there really 
>> isn't, at least that I know of, a reliable way to see what the options turn 
>> to when holding down the option key since you can't navigate effectively 
>> with voiceover while the Option key is held down.  Again, I know.  You 
>> already are! holding down your option key with your voiceover keys.  that's 
>> my whole point.  If you're holding down the control and option keys already, 
>> then you don't have a way
  
> of specifying to change to the alt option.  Ya know?  So, yeah, it's probably 
> not the most effective way to do things, however, that said, I have found 
> times, very few and far between, but still, I have seen times where I didn't 
> have a choice, and that's how I got around it.  Again, not probably the 
> answer you wanted, I'm sure, but it's what I got.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option 
>> key
>> 
>> 
>>> You work with these the same way you do normal menus, when an option comes 
>>> up that you want, press VO+Space to activith such options.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Michael Marshall  
 wrote:
 
 hey all,
 i have a quick question for you all.
 i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by sub 
 menu and i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu changed to 
 say sort by.
 how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the 
 option key down to see the new options that come up. how do you enter 
 these menus to work with the new options?
 thanks for any help
 
 Michael
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in a few short mounths i wil be geting a mack book air

[adrian]

in a few short mounths i wil be geting a mack book air. should i upgrade the 
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Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

[Michael Marshall]

hey criss,
will have a play with this.
there needs to be a way for VO users to work with these extra options.
On 29 Jan 2014, at 1:45 pm, Christopher gilland  
wrote:

> I don't think that's what he meant.  Your Voiceover keys are control and 
> option.  So if you're already holding them down to navigate, then how are you 
> supposed to get to those extra options which would require you to hold the 
> option key down while hovering your mouse over the key.  The only way that 
> I've found to get this to work is to open up the menu, vo+down arrow to the 
> option which needs to be changed over, then route your mouse with 
> vo+command+F5, then hit your option key while clicking your physical mouse or 
> trackpad.  the only issue with this however is beware, there really isn't, at 
> least that I know of, a reliable way to see what the options turn to when 
> holding down the option key since you can't navigate effectively with 
> voiceover while the Option key is held down.  Again, I know.  You already 
> are! holding down your option key with your voiceover keys.  that's my whole 
> point.  If you're holding down the control and option keys already, then you 
> don't have a way 
 of specifying to change to the alt option.  Ya know?  So, yeah, it's probably 
not the most effective way to do things, however, that said, I have found 
times, very few and far between, but still, I have seen times where I didn't 
have a choice, and that's how I got around it.  Again, not probably the answer 
you wanted, I'm sure, but it's what I got.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:30 PM
> Subject: Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option 
> key
> 
> 
>> You work with these the same way you do normal menus, when an option comes 
>> up that you want, press VO+Space to activith such options.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> i have a quick question for you all.
>>> i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by sub menu 
>>> and i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu changed to say sort 
>>> by.
>>> how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the option 
>>> key down to see the new options that come up. how do you enter these menus 
>>> to work with the new options?
>>> thanks for any help
>>> 
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Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
that does not work because as soon as another key is hit the new options revert 
back to the old ones.
thanks 

Michael
On 29 Jan 2014, at 1:30 pm, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> You work with these the same way you do normal menus, when an option comes up 
> that you want, press VO+Space to activith such options.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hey all,
>> i have a quick question for you all.
>> i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by sub menu 
>> and i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu changed to say sort 
>> by.
>> how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the option 
>> key down to see the new options that come up. how do you enter these menus 
>> to work with the new options?
>> thanks for any help
>> 
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Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

[Sarah k Alawami]

Actually what I do is I just use option up and down arrow to navigate. it works 
most of the time.  If there is another way though I'd also love to know it 
beside the rooting thing

Take care. 
On Jan 28, 2014, at 6:45 PM, Christopher gilland  
wrote:

> I don't think that's what he meant.  Your Voiceover keys are control and 
> option.  So if you're already holding them down to navigate, then how are you 
> supposed to get to those extra options which would require you to hold the 
> option key down while hovering your mouse over the key.  The only way that 
> I've found to get this to work is to open up the menu, vo+down arrow to the 
> option which needs to be changed over, then route your mouse with 
> vo+command+F5, then hit your option key while clicking your physical mouse or 
> trackpad.  the only issue with this however is beware, there really isn't, at 
> least that I know of, a reliable way to see what the options turn to when 
> holding down the option key since you can't navigate effectively with 
> voiceover while the Option key is held down.  Again, I know.  You already 
> are! holding down your option key with your voiceover keys.  that's my whole 
> point.  If you're holding down the control and option keys already, then you 
> don't have a way 
 of specifying to change to the alt option.  Ya know?  So, yeah, it's probably 
not the most effective way to do things, however, that said, I have found 
times, very few and far between, but still, I have seen times where I didn't 
have a choice, and that's how I got around it.  Again, not probably the answer 
you wanted, I'm sure, but it's what I got.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:30 PM
> Subject: Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option 
> key
> 
> 
>> You work with these the same way you do normal menus, when an option comes 
>> up that you want, press VO+Space to activith such options.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> i have a quick question for you all.
>>> i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by sub menu 
>>> and i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu changed to say sort 
>>> by.
>>> how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the option 
>>> key down to see the new options that come up. how do you enter these menus 
>>> to work with the new options?
>>> thanks for any help
>>> 
>>> Michael
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Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

[Christopher gilland]

I don't think that's what he meant.  Your Voiceover keys are control and 
option.  So if you're already holding them down to navigate, then how are 
you supposed to get to those extra options which would require you to hold 
the option key down while hovering your mouse over the key.  The only way 
that I've found to get this to work is to open up the menu, vo+down arrow to 
the option which needs to be changed over, then route your mouse with 
vo+command+F5, then hit your option key while clicking your physical mouse 
or trackpad.  the only issue with this however is beware, there really 
isn't, at least that I know of, a reliable way to see what the options turn 
to when holding down the option key since you can't navigate effectively 
with voiceover while the Option key is held down.  Again, I know.  You 
already are! holding down your option key with your voiceover keys.  that's 
my whole point.  If you're holding down the control and option keys already, 
then you don't have a way of specifying to change to the alt option.  Ya 
know?  So, yeah, it's probably not the most effective way to do things, 
however, that said, I have found times, very few and far between, but still, 
I have seen times where I didn't have a choice, and that's how I got around 
it.  Again, not probably the answer you wanted, I'm sure, but it's what I 
got.


Chris.

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From: "Josh Gregory" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option 
key



You work with these the same way you do normal menus, when an option comes 
up that you want, press VO+Space to activith such options.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Michael Marshall  
wrote:


hey all,
i have a quick question for you all.
i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by sub 
menu and i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu changed to 
say sort by.
how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the 
option key down to see the new options that come up. how do you enter 
these menus to work with the new options?

thanks for any help

Michael
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Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

[Josh Gregory]

You work with these the same way you do normal menus, when an option comes up 
that you want, press VO+Space to activith such options.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> hey all,
> i have a quick question for you all.
> i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by sub menu 
> and i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu changed to say sort 
> by.
> how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the option 
> key down to see the new options that come up. how do you enter these menus to 
> work with the new options?
> thanks for any help
> 
> Michael
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question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

[Michael Marshall]

hey all,
i have a quick question for you all.
i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by sub menu and 
i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu changed to say sort by.
how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the option key 
down to see the new options that come up. how do you enter these menus to work 
with the new options?
thanks for any help

Michael
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Re: Sarchiver Utility

[Sarah k Alawami]

No. it's been dead for the last 2 now 3 years.  I've been using a program 
called entropy to rar and zip and stuff like that. You can set up key board 
short cuts that will act  as a service. It's $18 at the MAS, and here's the 
link.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/entropy/id437151949?mt=12


Hope it helps. 

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Hi!

Is the Sarchiver Utility still under development?

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Downloadin Infovox Updates

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi!

I’m in the middle of downloading updates from Infovox for there voices, got 3 
Mac machines to update so this will take a little while .

I like the new way Infovox voice credits are handle and it makes more sense to 
have one credit per voice per machine.

Enjoying some of the newer voices available, like the new Lisa Australian 
voices, reminds me of someone but can’t quite think of who . and I like 
the American Karen voice thug initially I thought that may have been an 
Australia voice given that Karen on an IOS device and using Voiceover on the 
Mac with default voices is Australian.

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Re: male voice in VoiceOver

[Glenn]

Maybe that is what it was.
Glenn
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To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: male voice in VoiceOver


The only male voice i knowis in Siri. There is a gender selection in Siri's
settings. But as for VoiceOver, itself, I never saw one either.

Take care,

Brenda

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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:09 PM
Subject: male voice in VoiceOver


Hi,
I just upgraded my iPhone 5 to IOS7X, and I was hoping to find a better
voice.
I heard on someone's phone that they had a really clear male voice, and I
figured that it was from IOS7.
I looked in the voice settings, and the only option for the dialect was the
higher quality, it read nothing about different from the original female
voice.
Has anyone found the male voice in VO?
Thanks.

Glenn

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Re: male voice in VoiceOver

[meadowlark77]

The only male voice i knowis in Siri. There is a gender selection in Siri's 
settings. But as for VoiceOver, itself, I never saw one either.

Take care,

Brenda

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- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:09 PM
Subject: male voice in VoiceOver


Hi,
I just upgraded my iPhone 5 to IOS7X, and I was hoping to find a better
voice.
I heard on someone's phone that they had a really clear male voice, and I
figured that it was from IOS7.
I looked in the voice settings, and the only option for the dialect was the
higher quality, it read nothing about different from the original female
voice.
Has anyone found the male voice in VO?
Thanks.

Glenn

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Re: male voice in VoiceOver

[Glenn]

I don't know, the guy using it did not say.
Glenn
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Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: male voice in VoiceOver


Was the mail voice alex are arron.
On Jan 28, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Glenn  wrote:

> I guess it could be, the guy using it either could not, or did not want to
> elaborate on the voice, when I asked him about it.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Esther" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:45 PM
> Subject: Re: male voice in VoiceOver
>
>
> Hi Glenn,
>
> Are you sure you weren't hearing one of the paid Voice Dream Reader voices
> like NeoSpeech James?  I can't imagine that you were thinking about Daniel
> (the male British English voice) in iOS 7.  He sounds decidedly worse in 
> iOS
> 7 than in iOS 6, in my opinion.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:09 AM, Glenn wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I just upgraded my iPhone 5 to IOS7X, and I was hoping to find a better
>> voice.
>> I heard on someone's phone that they had a really clear male voice, and I
>> figured that it was from IOS7.
>> I looked in the voice settings, and the only option for the dialect was
>> the
>> higher quality, it read nothing about different from the original female
>> voice.
>> Has anyone found the male voice in VO?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Glenn
>>
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Re: male voice in VoiceOver

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Was the mail voice alex are arron. 
On Jan 28, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Glenn  wrote:

> I guess it could be, the guy using it either could not, or did not want to 
> elaborate on the voice, when I asked him about it.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Esther" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:45 PM
> Subject: Re: male voice in VoiceOver
> 
> 
> Hi Glenn,
> 
> Are you sure you weren't hearing one of the paid Voice Dream Reader voices 
> like NeoSpeech James?  I can't imagine that you were thinking about Daniel 
> (the male British English voice) in iOS 7.  He sounds decidedly worse in iOS 
> 7 than in iOS 6, in my opinion.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:09 AM, Glenn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I just upgraded my iPhone 5 to IOS7X, and I was hoping to find a better
>> voice.
>> I heard on someone's phone that they had a really clear male voice, and I
>> figured that it was from IOS7.
>> I looked in the voice settings, and the only option for the dialect was 
>> the
>> higher quality, it read nothing about different from the original female
>> voice.
>> Has anyone found the male voice in VO?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Glenn
>> 
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Re: Cocktail Maintenance Utility, Tried And Tru

[Sarah k Alawami]

sure. Go to http://macupdate.com and search for onyx. I do use this tool every 
once in a while and it works very good.

Tc and enjoy.
On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:05 AM, josh gregory  wrote:

> Are there any free programs to accomplish similar tasks? Just curious.
> 
> On 1/28/14, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>> Hello all!
>> This was a Cocktail day. Thanks again for reminding me about it. It is
>> great. I  loved it, I purchased a family license, since we have 3 macs at
>> home.
>> I find it self explaining, and he help file is very good.
>> I really did not like the maintenance Apps, because I found them strange and
>> difficult to follow, but this arrangements with buttons on the tool bar and
>> tabs within each one, makes it really intuitive.
>> I just have a question for expert users. What is to purge virtual memory? Is
>> it OK to do it or the pilot will do it for us?
>> Thanks a lot!
>> Best
>> 
>> Daniela Rubio T
>> iPhone: +34662328507
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> El 28/01/2014, a las 15:33, Caitlyn and Maggie 
>> escribió:
>> 
>>> It's worth mentioning too, that you can get a trial version of Cocktail.
>>> It runs for ten launches before it won't work, then you've got to pony up
>>> your $20 to get a key.
>>> I like this as I can check out the app and decide whether to buy it or
>>> not.
>>> hth,
>>> Caitlyn
>>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 3:55 AM, Dane Trethowan 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 You'll find the help file of Cocktail vern informative so start by
 looking at that to find out about the functionality of the App.
 
 When I speak of Backup I'm referring to any Backup system you have
 whether that be a Time Machine Backup, Super Duper Backup or whatever,
 Time Machine backs up in the background and doesn't interrupt your work.
 
 
 On 28 Jan 2014, at 6:03 pm, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
 
> Hello, good morning!
> I am very interested in Cocktail and how to used, what to do, etc, so,
> if somebody could give some advice on for example, what options are good
> for a regular maintenance, what to do from time to time, how to program
> maintenances, etc.
> I know that it might be a lot to ask, but I don't want to mes up my mac,
> sen if I have backups, because I use it all day for my work k.
> So, if there is a written resource, or somebody could give advice, I
> will appreciate it a lot. Also, do I download cocktail from Appstore? I
> was looking for it there and I did not find it.
> Thanks a lot for all, Take care!
> 
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
> 
> 
> 
> El 28/01/2014, a las 07:36, Dane Trethowan 
> escribió:
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I've been a user of the Cocktail Maintenance utility for 6 years or so
>> though I never used it on a regular basis.
>> 
>> I've been using Cocktail every day regularly for the last couple of
>> months using the "Pilot" and the "Daily Script", I've scheduled a time
>> for Cocktail to run once every day at 1"00 AM and then Cocktail causes
>> the computer to shut down after maintenance has been completed.
>> 
>> I can honestly say that this maintenance has done wonders for the
>> performance of my 2011 iMac machine, the computer runs a lot faster
>> loading programmes in fractions of a second, the longest App to load is
>> Skype and that takes around half a second.
>> 
>> Thought Id give this a mention as people may wish to try Cocktail or a
>> similar maintenance utility and see how they get on.
>> 
>> Note that the "Pilot" of Cocktail is fully customisable but do read the
>> help file before you start poking around in the options or at the very
>> least have a backup handy .
>> 
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Re: Cocktail Maintenance Utility, Tried And Tru

[josh gregory]

Are there any free programs to accomplish similar tasks? Just curious.

On 1/28/14, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
> Hello all!
> This was a Cocktail day. Thanks again for reminding me about it. It is
> great. I  loved it, I purchased a family license, since we have 3 macs at
> home.
> I find it self explaining, and he help file is very good.
> I really did not like the maintenance Apps, because I found them strange and
> difficult to follow, but this arrangements with buttons on the tool bar and
> tabs within each one, makes it really intuitive.
> I just have a question for expert users. What is to purge virtual memory? Is
> it OK to do it or the pilot will do it for us?
> Thanks a lot!
> Best
>
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
>
>
>
> El 28/01/2014, a las 15:33, Caitlyn and Maggie 
> escribió:
>
>> It's worth mentioning too, that you can get a trial version of Cocktail.
>> It runs for ten launches before it won't work, then you've got to pony up
>> your $20 to get a key.
>> I like this as I can check out the app and decide whether to buy it or
>> not.
>> hth,
>> Caitlyn
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 3:55 AM, Dane Trethowan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You'll find the help file of Cocktail vern informative so start by
>>> looking at that to find out about the functionality of the App.
>>>
>>> When I speak of Backup I'm referring to any Backup system you have
>>> whether that be a Time Machine Backup, Super Duper Backup or whatever,
>>> Time Machine backs up in the background and doesn't interrupt your work.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 28 Jan 2014, at 6:03 pm, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>>>
 Hello, good morning!
 I am very interested in Cocktail and how to used, what to do, etc, so,
 if somebody could give some advice on for example, what options are good
 for a regular maintenance, what to do from time to time, how to program
 maintenances, etc.
 I know that it might be a lot to ask, but I don't want to mes up my mac,
 sen if I have backups, because I use it all day for my work k.
 So, if there is a written resource, or somebody could give advice, I
 will appreciate it a lot. Also, do I download cocktail from Appstore? I
 was looking for it there and I did not find it.
 Thanks a lot for all, Take care!


 Daniela Rubio T
 iPhone: +34662328507



 El 28/01/2014, a las 07:36, Dane Trethowan 
 escribió:

> Hi!
>
> I've been a user of the Cocktail Maintenance utility for 6 years or so
> though I never used it on a regular basis.
>
> I've been using Cocktail every day regularly for the last couple of
> months using the "Pilot" and the "Daily Script", I've scheduled a time
> for Cocktail to run once every day at 1"00 AM and then Cocktail causes
> the computer to shut down after maintenance has been completed.
>
> I can honestly say that this maintenance has done wonders for the
> performance of my 2011 iMac machine, the computer runs a lot faster
> loading programmes in fractions of a second, the longest App to load is
> Skype and that takes around half a second.
>
> Thought Id give this a mention as people may wish to try Cocktail or a
> similar maintenance utility and see how they get on.
>
> Note that the "Pilot" of Cocktail is fully customisable but do read the
> help file before you start poking around in the options or at the very
> least have a backup handy .
>
>
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Re: male voice in VoiceOver

[Sarah k Alawami]

It might have been a jail broken voice. You can replace the vocalizer voices 
with hq ones by jail braking your phone and all of that stuff hence why he 
could not tall you how to do it. it is sort of eagle according to newoance's 
TOS. Even apple vis took the thread down as nuance said absolutely not to doing 
this. 

Take care. 
On Jan 28, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Glenn  wrote:

> I guess it could be, the guy using it either could not, or did not want to 
> elaborate on the voice, when I asked him about it.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Esther" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:45 PM
> Subject: Re: male voice in VoiceOver
> 
> 
> Hi Glenn,
> 
> Are you sure you weren't hearing one of the paid Voice Dream Reader voices 
> like NeoSpeech James?  I can't imagine that you were thinking about Daniel 
> (the male British English voice) in iOS 7.  He sounds decidedly worse in iOS 
> 7 than in iOS 6, in my opinion.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:09 AM, Glenn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I just upgraded my iPhone 5 to IOS7X, and I was hoping to find a better
>> voice.
>> I heard on someone's phone that they had a really clear male voice, and I
>> figured that it was from IOS7.
>> I looked in the voice settings, and the only option for the dialect was 
>> the
>> higher quality, it read nothing about different from the original female
>> voice.
>> Has anyone found the male voice in VO?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Glenn
>> 
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Re: male voice in VoiceOver

[Glenn]

I guess it could be, the guy using it either could not, or did not want to 
elaborate on the voice, when I asked him about it.
Glenn
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From: "Esther" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: male voice in VoiceOver


Hi Glenn,

Are you sure you weren't hearing one of the paid Voice Dream Reader voices 
like NeoSpeech James?  I can't imagine that you were thinking about Daniel 
(the male British English voice) in iOS 7.  He sounds decidedly worse in iOS 
7 than in iOS 6, in my opinion.

Cheers,

Esther

On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:09 AM, Glenn wrote:

> Hi,
> I just upgraded my iPhone 5 to IOS7X, and I was hoping to find a better
> voice.
> I heard on someone's phone that they had a really clear male voice, and I
> figured that it was from IOS7.
> I looked in the voice settings, and the only option for the dialect was 
> the
> higher quality, it read nothing about different from the original female
> voice.
> Has anyone found the male voice in VO?
> Thanks.
>
> Glenn
>

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Re: Cocktail Maintenance Utility, Tried And Tru

[Daniela Rubio]

Yes, That’s what I did, I think that little by little I will understand more 
how to take advantage of it.
Thanks again!

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507



El 28/01/2014, a las 15:33, Caitlyn and Maggie  
escribió:

> It’s worth mentioning too, that you can get a trial version of Cocktail.  It 
> runs for ten launches before it won’t work, then you’ve got to pony up your 
> $20 to get a key.
> I like this as I can check out the app and decide whether to buy it or not.
> hth,
> Caitlyn
> 
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 3:55 AM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
>> You'll find the help file of Cocktail vern informative so start by looking 
>> at that to find out about the functionality of the App.
>> 
>> When I speak of Backup I'm referring to any Backup system you have whether 
>> that be a Time Machine Backup, Super Duper Backup or whatever, Time Machine 
>> backs up in the background and doesn't interrupt your work.
>> 
>> 
>> On 28 Jan 2014, at 6:03 pm, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, good morning!
>>> I am very interested in Cocktail and how to used, what to do, etc, so, if 
>>> somebody could give some advice on for example, what options are good for a 
>>> regular maintenance, what to do from time to time, how to program 
>>> maintenances, etc.
>>> I know that it might be a lot to ask, but I don’t want to mes up my mac, 
>>> sen if I have backups, because I use it all day for my work k.
>>> So, if there is a written resource, or somebody could give advice, I will 
>>> appreciate it a lot. Also, do I download cocktail from Appstore? I was 
>>> looking for it there and I did not find it.
>>> Thanks a lot for all, Take care!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Daniela Rubio T
>>> iPhone: +34662328507
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> El 28/01/2014, a las 07:36, Dane Trethowan  
>>> escribió:
>>> 
 Hi!
 
 I’ve been a user of the Cocktail Maintenance utility for 6 years or so 
 though I never used it on a regular basis.
 
 I’ve been using Cocktail every day regularly for the last couple of months 
 using the “Pilot” and the “Daily Script”, I’ve scheduled a time for 
 Cocktail to run once every day at 1”00 AM and then Cocktail causes the 
 computer to shut down after maintenance has been completed.
 
 I can honestly say that this maintenance has done wonders for the 
 performance of my 2011 iMac machine, the computer runs a lot faster 
 loading programmes in fractions of a second, the longest App to load is 
 Skype and that takes around half a second.
 
 Thought Id give this a mention as people may wish to try Cocktail or a 
 similar maintenance utility and see how they get on.
 
 Note that the “Pilot” of Cocktail is fully customisable but do read the 
 help file before you start poking around in the options or at the very 
 least have a backup handy .
 
 
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Re: Cocktail Maintenance Utility, Tried And Tru

[Daniela Rubio]

The single lisence is around 19 USD and the family one is around 40.
Best

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507



El 28/01/2014, a las 21:05, Sarah k Alawami  escribió:

> No  it is not. It's I think $30 to $40 but it is well worth it.  For the 
> other poster who wanted onyx look for it at http://macupdate.com as that's I 
> believe where I found it 4 years ago. I've been using it ever since. 
> 
> Take care and be blessed. 
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
>> Very nice, sounds good. Is Clean my Mac free?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I personally use onyx as I love the DYA stuff you can do with it and it is 
>>> accessible as well. I also use clean my mac every day  to clear stuff. I 
>>> think between those 2 apps my mac is doing well for it being 4 years old. 
>>> it's running almost as good as the day I bought it in 2010.
>>> 
>>> Take care and be blessed. 
 On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
 
 Hello all!
 This was a Cocktail day. Thanks again for reminding me about it. It is 
 great. I  loved it, I purchased a family license, since we have 3 macs at 
 home.
 I find it self explaining, and he help file is very good.
 I really did not like the maintenance Apps, because I found them strange 
 and difficult to follow, but this arrangements with buttons on the tool 
 bar and tabs within each one, makes it really intuitive.
 I just have a question for expert users. What is to purge virtual memory? 
 Is it OK to do it or the pilot will do it for us?
 Thanks a lot!
 Best
 
 Daniela Rubio T
 iPhone: +34662328507
 
 
 
> El 28/01/2014, a las 15:33, Caitlyn and Maggie 
>  escribió:
> 
> It’s worth mentioning too, that you can get a trial version of Cocktail.  
> It runs for ten launches before it won’t work, then you’ve got to pony up 
> your $20 to get a key.
> I like this as I can check out the app and decide whether to buy it or 
> not.
> hth,
> Caitlyn
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 3:55 AM, Dane Trethowan  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You'll find the help file of Cocktail vern informative so start by 
>> looking at that to find out about the functionality of the App.
>> 
>> When I speak of Backup I'm referring to any Backup system you have 
>> whether that be a Time Machine Backup, Super Duper Backup or whatever, 
>> Time Machine backs up in the background and doesn't interrupt your work.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Jan 2014, at 6:03 pm, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, good morning!
>>> I am very interested in Cocktail and how to used, what to do, etc, so, 
>>> if somebody could give some advice on for example, what options are 
>>> good for a regular maintenance, what to do from time to time, how to 
>>> program maintenances, etc.
>>> I know that it might be a lot to ask, but I don’t want to mes up my 
>>> mac, sen if I have backups, because I use it all day for my work k.
>>> So, if there is a written resource, or somebody could give advice, I 
>>> will appreciate it a lot. Also, do I download cocktail from Appstore? I 
>>> was looking for it there and I did not find it.
>>> Thanks a lot for all, Take care!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Daniela Rubio T
>>> iPhone: +34662328507
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 El 28/01/2014, a las 07:36, Dane Trethowan  
 escribió:
 
 Hi!
 
 I’ve been a user of the Cocktail Maintenance utility for 6 years or so 
 though I never used it on a regular basis.
 
 I’ve been using Cocktail every day regularly for the last couple of 
 months using the “Pilot” and the “Daily Script”, I’ve scheduled a time 
 for Cocktail to run once every day at 1”00 AM and then Cocktail causes 
 the computer to shut down after maintenance has been completed.
 
 I can honestly say that this maintenance has done wonders for the 
 performance of my 2011 iMac machine, the computer runs a lot faster 
 loading programmes in fractions of a second, the longest App to load 
 is Skype and that takes around half a second.
 
 Thought Id give this a mention as people may wish to try Cocktail or a 
 similar maintenance utility and see how they get on.
 
 Note that the “Pilot” of Cocktail is fully customisable but do read 
 the help file before you start poking around in the options or at the 
 very least have a backup handy .
 
 
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Re: Cocktail Maintenance Utility, Tried And Tru

[Sarah k Alawami]

No  it is not. It's I think $30 to $40 but it is well worth it.  For the other 
poster who wanted onyx look for it at http://macupdate.com as that's I believe 
where I found it 4 years ago. I've been using it ever since. 

Take care and be blessed. 
On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> Very nice, sounds good. Is Clean my Mac free?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>> I personally use onyx as I love the DYA stuff you can do with it and it is 
>> accessible as well. I also use clean my mac every day  to clear stuff. I 
>> think between those 2 apps my mac is doing well for it being 4 years old. 
>> it's running almost as good as the day I bought it in 2010.
>> 
>> Take care and be blessed. 
>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all!
>>> This was a Cocktail day. Thanks again for reminding me about it. It is 
>>> great. I  loved it, I purchased a family license, since we have 3 macs at 
>>> home.
>>> I find it self explaining, and he help file is very good.
>>> I really did not like the maintenance Apps, because I found them strange 
>>> and difficult to follow, but this arrangements with buttons on the tool bar 
>>> and tabs within each one, makes it really intuitive.
>>> I just have a question for expert users. What is to purge virtual memory? 
>>> Is it OK to do it or the pilot will do it for us?
>>> Thanks a lot!
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Daniela Rubio T
>>> iPhone: +34662328507
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 El 28/01/2014, a las 15:33, Caitlyn and Maggie  
 escribió:
 
 It’s worth mentioning too, that you can get a trial version of Cocktail.  
 It runs for ten launches before it won’t work, then you’ve got to pony up 
 your $20 to get a key.
 I like this as I can check out the app and decide whether to buy it or not.
 hth,
 Caitlyn
 
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 3:55 AM, Dane Trethowan  
> wrote:
> 
> You'll find the help file of Cocktail vern informative so start by 
> looking at that to find out about the functionality of the App.
> 
> When I speak of Backup I'm referring to any Backup system you have 
> whether that be a Time Machine Backup, Super Duper Backup or whatever, 
> Time Machine backs up in the background and doesn't interrupt your work.
> 
> 
>> On 28 Jan 2014, at 6:03 pm, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, good morning!
>> I am very interested in Cocktail and how to used, what to do, etc, so, 
>> if somebody could give some advice on for example, what options are good 
>> for a regular maintenance, what to do from time to time, how to program 
>> maintenances, etc.
>> I know that it might be a lot to ask, but I don’t want to mes up my mac, 
>> sen if I have backups, because I use it all day for my work k.
>> So, if there is a written resource, or somebody could give advice, I 
>> will appreciate it a lot. Also, do I download cocktail from Appstore? I 
>> was looking for it there and I did not find it.
>> Thanks a lot for all, Take care!
>> 
>> 
>> Daniela Rubio T
>> iPhone: +34662328507
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> El 28/01/2014, a las 07:36, Dane Trethowan  
>>> escribió:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> I’ve been a user of the Cocktail Maintenance utility for 6 years or so 
>>> though I never used it on a regular basis.
>>> 
>>> I’ve been using Cocktail every day regularly for the last couple of 
>>> months using the “Pilot” and the “Daily Script”, I’ve scheduled a time 
>>> for Cocktail to run once every day at 1”00 AM and then Cocktail causes 
>>> the computer to shut down after maintenance has been completed.
>>> 
>>> I can honestly say that this maintenance has done wonders for the 
>>> performance of my 2011 iMac machine, the computer runs a lot faster 
>>> loading programmes in fractions of a second, the longest App to load is 
>>> Skype and that takes around half a second.
>>> 
>>> Thought Id give this a mention as people may wish to try Cocktail or a 
>>> similar maintenance utility and see how they get on.
>>> 
>>> Note that the “Pilot” of Cocktail is fully customisable but do read the 
>>> help file before you start poking around in the options or at the very 
>>> least have a backup handy .
>>> 
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Cocktail question

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello, 
I have used Cocktail for ages but have not yet used the pilot option on a daily 
basis via the scheduler as suggested by Dane.  

When I run pilot manually the restore disk permissions function seems to take a 
long time. Rather than have that happen daily I would like it to only happen 
say monthly. Is it possible to configure the Cocktail scheduler so that restore 
permissions only happens on the first day of each month, while all the other 
pilot actions happen daily or weekly as appropriate. 

Many thanks. 

Paul Hopewell
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Re: male voice in VoiceOver

[Esther]

Hi Glenn,

Are you sure you weren't hearing one of the paid Voice Dream Reader voices like 
NeoSpeech James?  I can't imagine that you were thinking about Daniel (the male 
British English voice) in iOS 7.  He sounds decidedly worse in iOS 7 than in 
iOS 6, in my opinion.

Cheers,

Esther

On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:09 AM, Glenn wrote:

> Hi,
> I just upgraded my iPhone 5 to IOS7X, and I was hoping to find a better 
> voice.
> I heard on someone's phone that they had a really clear male voice, and I 
> figured that it was from IOS7.
> I looked in the voice settings, and the only option for the dialect was the 
> higher quality, it read nothing about different from the original female 
> voice.
> Has anyone found the male voice in VO?
> Thanks.
> 
> Glenn 
> 

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male voice in VoiceOver

[Glenn]

Hi,
I just upgraded my iPhone 5 to IOS7X, and I was hoping to find a better 
voice.
I heard on someone's phone that they had a really clear male voice, and I 
figured that it was from IOS7.
I looked in the voice settings, and the only option for the dialect was the 
higher quality, it read nothing about different from the original female 
voice.
Has anyone found the male voice in VO?
Thanks.

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Re: Cocktail Maintenance Utility, Tried And Tru

[Josh Gregory]

Very nice, sounds good. Is Clean my Mac free?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
> I personally use onyx as I love the DYA stuff you can do with it and it is 
> accessible as well. I also use clean my mac every day  to clear stuff. I 
> think between those 2 apps my mac is doing well for it being 4 years old. 
> it's running almost as good as the day I bought it in 2010.
> 
> Take care and be blessed. 
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all!
>> This was a Cocktail day. Thanks again for reminding me about it. It is 
>> great. I  loved it, I purchased a family license, since we have 3 macs at 
>> home.
>> I find it self explaining, and he help file is very good.
>> I really did not like the maintenance Apps, because I found them strange and 
>> difficult to follow, but this arrangements with buttons on the tool bar and 
>> tabs within each one, makes it really intuitive.
>> I just have a question for expert users. What is to purge virtual memory? Is 
>> it OK to do it or the pilot will do it for us?
>> Thanks a lot!
>> Best
>> 
>> Daniela Rubio T
>> iPhone: +34662328507
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> El 28/01/2014, a las 15:33, Caitlyn and Maggie  
>>> escribió:
>>> 
>>> It’s worth mentioning too, that you can get a trial version of Cocktail.  
>>> It runs for ten launches before it won’t work, then you’ve got to pony up 
>>> your $20 to get a key.
>>> I like this as I can check out the app and decide whether to buy it or not.
>>> hth,
>>> Caitlyn
>>> 
 On Jan 28, 2014, at 3:55 AM, Dane Trethowan  
 wrote:
 
 You'll find the help file of Cocktail vern informative so start by looking 
 at that to find out about the functionality of the App.
 
 When I speak of Backup I'm referring to any Backup system you have whether 
 that be a Time Machine Backup, Super Duper Backup or whatever, Time 
 Machine backs up in the background and doesn't interrupt your work.
 
 
> On 28 Jan 2014, at 6:03 pm, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
> 
> Hello, good morning!
> I am very interested in Cocktail and how to used, what to do, etc, so, if 
> somebody could give some advice on for example, what options are good for 
> a regular maintenance, what to do from time to time, how to program 
> maintenances, etc.
> I know that it might be a lot to ask, but I don’t want to mes up my mac, 
> sen if I have backups, because I use it all day for my work k.
> So, if there is a written resource, or somebody could give advice, I will 
> appreciate it a lot. Also, do I download cocktail from Appstore? I was 
> looking for it there and I did not find it.
> Thanks a lot for all, Take care!
> 
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
> 
> 
> 
>> El 28/01/2014, a las 07:36, Dane Trethowan  
>> escribió:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I’ve been a user of the Cocktail Maintenance utility for 6 years or so 
>> though I never used it on a regular basis.
>> 
>> I’ve been using Cocktail every day regularly for the last couple of 
>> months using the “Pilot” and the “Daily Script”, I’ve scheduled a time 
>> for Cocktail to run once every day at 1”00 AM and then Cocktail causes 
>> the computer to shut down after maintenance has been completed.
>> 
>> I can honestly say that this maintenance has done wonders for the 
>> performance of my 2011 iMac machine, the computer runs a lot faster 
>> loading programmes in fractions of a second, the longest App to load is 
>> Skype and that takes around half a second.
>> 
>> Thought Id give this a mention as people may wish to try Cocktail or a 
>> similar maintenance utility and see how they get on.
>> 
>> Note that the “Pilot” of Cocktail is fully customisable but do read the 
>> help file before you start poking around in the options or at the very 
>> least have a backup handy .
>> 
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Re: Cocktail Maintenance Utility, Tried And Tru

[William Lomas]

Also, bury mind, that cocktail is a paid application, where is the other one 
that Mike mentioned is totally free.
So what please, other differences?
Also, doesn't disk utility do all of what these do, anyway?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Jan 2014, at 18:46, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Yes, cocktail is a great app, another app that does similar things is called 
> onyx, they are both good apps to have.
> Original message:
>> Hi!
> 
>> I’ve been a user of the Cocktail Maintenance utility for 6 years or so 
>> though I never used it on a regular basis.
> 
>> I’ve been using Cocktail every day regularly for the last couple of months 
>> using the “Pilot” and the “Daily Script”, I’ve scheduled a time for Cocktail 
>> to run once every day at 1”00 AM and then Cocktail causes the computer to 
>> shut down after maintenance has been completed.
> 
>> I can honestly say that this maintenance has done wonders for the 
>> performance of my 2011 iMac machine, the computer runs a lot faster loading 
>> programmes in fractions of a second, the longest App to load is Skype and 
>> that takes around half a second.
> 
>> Thought Id give this a mention as people may wish to try Cocktail or a 
>> similar maintenance utility and see how they get on.
> 
>> Note that the “Pilot” of Cocktail is fully customisable but do read the help 
>> file before you start poking around in the options or at the very least have 
>> a backup handy .
> 
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Re: Cocktail Maintenance Utility, Tried And Tru

[Mike Arrigo]

Yes, cocktail is a great app, another app that does similar things is 
called onyx, they are both good apps to have.

Original message:

Hi!


I’ve been a user of the Cocktail Maintenance utility for 6 years or so 
though I never used it on a regular basis.


I’ve been using Cocktail every day regularly for the last couple of 
months using the “Pilot” and the “Daily Script”, I’ve scheduled a time 
for Cocktail to run once every day at 1”00 AM and then Cocktail causes 
the computer to shut down after maintenance has been completed.


I can honestly say that this maintenance has done wonders for the 
performance of my 2011 iMac machine, the computer runs a lot faster 
loading programmes in fractions of a second, the longest App to load is 
Skype and that takes around half a second.


Thought Id give this a mention as people may wish to try Cocktail or a 
similar maintenance utility and see how they get on.


Note that the “Pilot” of Cocktail is fully customisable but do read the 
help file before you start poking around in the options or at the very 
least have a backup handy .




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Re: Cocktail Maintenance Utility, Tried And Tru

[Sarah k Alawami]

I personally use onyx as I love the DYA stuff you can do with it and it is 
accessible as well. I also use clean my mac every day  to clear stuff. I think 
between those 2 apps my mac is doing well for it being 4 years old. it's 
running almost as good as the day I bought it in 2010.

Take care and be blessed. 
On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:

> Hello all!
> This was a Cocktail day. Thanks again for reminding me about it. It is great. 
> I  loved it, I purchased a family license, since we have 3 macs at home.
> I find it self explaining, and he help file is very good.
> I really did not like the maintenance Apps, because I found them strange and 
> difficult to follow, but this arrangements with buttons on the tool bar and 
> tabs within each one, makes it really intuitive.
> I just have a question for expert users. What is to purge virtual memory? Is 
> it OK to do it or the pilot will do it for us?
> Thanks a lot!
> Best
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
> 
> 
> 
> El 28/01/2014, a las 15:33, Caitlyn and Maggie  
> escribió:
> 
>> It’s worth mentioning too, that you can get a trial version of Cocktail.  It 
>> runs for ten launches before it won’t work, then you’ve got to pony up your 
>> $20 to get a key.
>> I like this as I can check out the app and decide whether to buy it or not.
>> hth,
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 3:55 AM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
>> 
>>> You'll find the help file of Cocktail vern informative so start by looking 
>>> at that to find out about the functionality of the App.
>>> 
>>> When I speak of Backup I'm referring to any Backup system you have whether 
>>> that be a Time Machine Backup, Super Duper Backup or whatever, Time Machine 
>>> backs up in the background and doesn't interrupt your work.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 Jan 2014, at 6:03 pm, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello, good morning!
 I am very interested in Cocktail and how to used, what to do, etc, so, if 
 somebody could give some advice on for example, what options are good for 
 a regular maintenance, what to do from time to time, how to program 
 maintenances, etc.
 I know that it might be a lot to ask, but I don’t want to mes up my mac, 
 sen if I have backups, because I use it all day for my work k.
 So, if there is a written resource, or somebody could give advice, I will 
 appreciate it a lot. Also, do I download cocktail from Appstore? I was 
 looking for it there and I did not find it.
 Thanks a lot for all, Take care!
 
 
 Daniela Rubio T
 iPhone: +34662328507
 
 
 
 El 28/01/2014, a las 07:36, Dane Trethowan  
 escribió:
 
> Hi!
> 
> I’ve been a user of the Cocktail Maintenance utility for 6 years or so 
> though I never used it on a regular basis.
> 
> I’ve been using Cocktail every day regularly for the last couple of 
> months using the “Pilot” and the “Daily Script”, I’ve scheduled a time 
> for Cocktail to run once every day at 1”00 AM and then Cocktail causes 
> the computer to shut down after maintenance has been completed.
> 
> I can honestly say that this maintenance has done wonders for the 
> performance of my 2011 iMac machine, the computer runs a lot faster 
> loading programmes in fractions of a second, the longest App to load is 
> Skype and that takes around half a second.
> 
> Thought Id give this a mention as people may wish to try Cocktail or a 
> similar maintenance utility and see how they get on.
> 
> Note that the “Pilot” of Cocktail is fully customisable but do read the 
> help file before you start poking around in the options or at the very 
> least have a backup handy .
> 
> 
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Re: Cocktail Maintenance Utility, Tried And Tru

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello all!
This was a Cocktail day. Thanks again for reminding me about it. It is great. I 
 loved it, I purchased a family license, since we have 3 macs at home.
I find it self explaining, and he help file is very good.
I really did not like the maintenance Apps, because I found them strange and 
difficult to follow, but this arrangements with buttons on the tool bar and 
tabs within each one, makes it really intuitive.
I just have a question for expert users. What is to purge virtual memory? Is it 
OK to do it or the pilot will do it for us?
Thanks a lot!
Best

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507



El 28/01/2014, a las 15:33, Caitlyn and Maggie  
escribió:

> It’s worth mentioning too, that you can get a trial version of Cocktail.  It 
> runs for ten launches before it won’t work, then you’ve got to pony up your 
> $20 to get a key.
> I like this as I can check out the app and decide whether to buy it or not.
> hth,
> Caitlyn
> 
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 3:55 AM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
>> You'll find the help file of Cocktail vern informative so start by looking 
>> at that to find out about the functionality of the App.
>> 
>> When I speak of Backup I'm referring to any Backup system you have whether 
>> that be a Time Machine Backup, Super Duper Backup or whatever, Time Machine 
>> backs up in the background and doesn't interrupt your work.
>> 
>> 
>> On 28 Jan 2014, at 6:03 pm, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, good morning!
>>> I am very interested in Cocktail and how to used, what to do, etc, so, if 
>>> somebody could give some advice on for example, what options are good for a 
>>> regular maintenance, what to do from time to time, how to program 
>>> maintenances, etc.
>>> I know that it might be a lot to ask, but I don’t want to mes up my mac, 
>>> sen if I have backups, because I use it all day for my work k.
>>> So, if there is a written resource, or somebody could give advice, I will 
>>> appreciate it a lot. Also, do I download cocktail from Appstore? I was 
>>> looking for it there and I did not find it.
>>> Thanks a lot for all, Take care!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Daniela Rubio T
>>> iPhone: +34662328507
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> El 28/01/2014, a las 07:36, Dane Trethowan  
>>> escribió:
>>> 
 Hi!
 
 I’ve been a user of the Cocktail Maintenance utility for 6 years or so 
 though I never used it on a regular basis.
 
 I’ve been using Cocktail every day regularly for the last couple of months 
 using the “Pilot” and the “Daily Script”, I’ve scheduled a time for 
 Cocktail to run once every day at 1”00 AM and then Cocktail causes the 
 computer to shut down after maintenance has been completed.
 
 I can honestly say that this maintenance has done wonders for the 
 performance of my 2011 iMac machine, the computer runs a lot faster 
 loading programmes in fractions of a second, the longest App to load is 
 Skype and that takes around half a second.
 
 Thought Id give this a mention as people may wish to try Cocktail or a 
 similar maintenance utility and see how they get on.
 
 Note that the “Pilot” of Cocktail is fully customisable but do read the 
 help file before you start poking around in the options or at the very 
 least have a backup handy .
 
 
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Re: Cocktail Maintenance Utility, Tried And Tru

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

It’s worth mentioning too, that you can get a trial version of Cocktail.  It 
runs for ten launches before it won’t work, then you’ve got to pony up your $20 
to get a key.
I like this as I can check out the app and decide whether to buy it or not.
hth,
Caitlyn

On Jan 28, 2014, at 3:55 AM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

> You'll find the help file of Cocktail vern informative so start by looking at 
> that to find out about the functionality of the App.
> 
> When I speak of Backup I'm referring to any Backup system you have whether 
> that be a Time Machine Backup, Super Duper Backup or whatever, Time Machine 
> backs up in the background and doesn't interrupt your work.
> 
> 
> On 28 Jan 2014, at 6:03 pm, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
> 
>> Hello, good morning!
>> I am very interested in Cocktail and how to used, what to do, etc, so, if 
>> somebody could give some advice on for example, what options are good for a 
>> regular maintenance, what to do from time to time, how to program 
>> maintenances, etc.
>> I know that it might be a lot to ask, but I don’t want to mes up my mac, sen 
>> if I have backups, because I use it all day for my work k.
>> So, if there is a written resource, or somebody could give advice, I will 
>> appreciate it a lot. Also, do I download cocktail from Appstore? I was 
>> looking for it there and I did not find it.
>> Thanks a lot for all, Take care!
>> 
>> 
>> Daniela Rubio T
>> iPhone: +34662328507
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> El 28/01/2014, a las 07:36, Dane Trethowan  
>> escribió:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> I’ve been a user of the Cocktail Maintenance utility for 6 years or so 
>>> though I never used it on a regular basis.
>>> 
>>> I’ve been using Cocktail every day regularly for the last couple of months 
>>> using the “Pilot” and the “Daily Script”, I’ve scheduled a time for 
>>> Cocktail to run once every day at 1”00 AM and then Cocktail causes the 
>>> computer to shut down after maintenance has been completed.
>>> 
>>> I can honestly say that this maintenance has done wonders for the 
>>> performance of my 2011 iMac machine, the computer runs a lot faster loading 
>>> programmes in fractions of a second, the longest App to load is Skype and 
>>> that takes around half a second.
>>> 
>>> Thought Id give this a mention as people may wish to try Cocktail or a 
>>> similar maintenance utility and see how they get on.
>>> 
>>> Note that the “Pilot” of Cocktail is fully customisable but do read the 
>>> help file before you start poking around in the options or at the very 
>>> least have a backup handy .
>>> 
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Re: Cocktail Maintenance Utility, Tried And Tru

[Dane Trethowan]

You'll find the help file of Cocktail vern informative so start by looking at 
that to find out about the functionality of the App.

When I speak of Backup I'm referring to any Backup system you have whether that 
be a Time Machine Backup, Super Duper Backup or whatever, Time Machine backs up 
in the background and doesn't interrupt your work.


On 28 Jan 2014, at 6:03 pm, Daniela Rubio  wrote:

> Hello, good morning!
> I am very interested in Cocktail and how to used, what to do, etc, so, if 
> somebody could give some advice on for example, what options are good for a 
> regular maintenance, what to do from time to time, how to program 
> maintenances, etc.
> I know that it might be a lot to ask, but I don’t want to mes up my mac, sen 
> if I have backups, because I use it all day for my work k.
> So, if there is a written resource, or somebody could give advice, I will 
> appreciate it a lot. Also, do I download cocktail from Appstore? I was 
> looking for it there and I did not find it.
> Thanks a lot for all, Take care!
> 
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
> 
> 
> 
> El 28/01/2014, a las 07:36, Dane Trethowan  
> escribió:
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I’ve been a user of the Cocktail Maintenance utility for 6 years or so 
>> though I never used it on a regular basis.
>> 
>> I’ve been using Cocktail every day regularly for the last couple of months 
>> using the “Pilot” and the “Daily Script”, I’ve scheduled a time for Cocktail 
>> to run once every day at 1”00 AM and then Cocktail causes the computer to 
>> shut down after maintenance has been completed.
>> 
>> I can honestly say that this maintenance has done wonders for the 
>> performance of my 2011 iMac machine, the computer runs a lot faster loading 
>> programmes in fractions of a second, the longest App to load is Skype and 
>> that takes around half a second.
>> 
>> Thought Id give this a mention as people may wish to try Cocktail or a 
>> similar maintenance utility and see how they get on.
>> 
>> Note that the “Pilot” of Cocktail is fully customisable but do read the help 
>> file before you start poking around in the options or at the very least have 
>> a backup handy .
>> 
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