Re: Keep On Trucking'

[Sean Murphy]

Please keep me on the list. 

On 25 Jun 2014, at 6:02 am, Gordon, Lynne & Tracy  
wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> At this point it is a little difficult to know where to start with individual 
> responses. However, I shall respond to all of you who have taken the time to 
> respond to my request. This is excellent – and what is just as good is that 
> you all, absolutely unanimously, have expressed a wish to remain on list.
> 
> Thank you very much for this. Believe me, it is a appreciated by both Gordon 
> and myself.
> 
> I am currently in the process of compiling two databases for him; one on the 
> PC and one on his BrailleNote Apex using KeyBase.
> 
> Just one more small request for now. Would anybody who requires special 
> settings such as digest please let us know? Otherwise we will assume that 
> you’re happy with standard settings.
> 
> Oh yes, and finally, so far I haven’t seen any opinions regarding the list’s 
> name. But I haven’t had the time as yet to thoroughly go through all mail. If 
> you have an opinion, or a suggestion regarding anything we could do better, 
> please feel free to let us know.
> 
> And double finally, so to speak, we would like to invite you to our free 
> E-Mail system. If you’re looking for a new E-Mail address, or if you’d just 
> like one to use with your friends and for our groups, we are happy to 
> allocate free accounts as long as they are non-commercial.
> 
> Feel free to get back to us if you’re interested.
> 
> Warm regards
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
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Re: Server Transition: IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ!

[Mark]

My intention is to stay connected. It would be great, however, if I could be 
referred to the beginning or intermediate list? I want to stay connected, even 
though most of what goes across this list, is for people that even using the 
Mac for quite some time. Would be great to find someplace to ask questions to 
learn how to become a more expert at Mac. Movie from a PC environment. Moving 
because, my experience with iOS was great.
arosind...@me.com 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 24, 2014, at 6:32 PM, JAKE JOEHL  wrote:

I would like to stay on here too, for the time being.
Jake
JAKE JOEHL
jajo...@att.net



On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:12 PM, Jessica Benzing  wrote:

But I am on the list. Just please don't take me off?  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
> Sorry for confusing your name with someone else's. Please accept my apology. 
> 
> Eileen
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 5:30 AM, "Gordon, Lynne & Tracy" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everybody
>> 
>> As some of you may be aware, we have been planning for some time to migrate 
>> the Mac Access server to a new physical server system and also to a new DNS 
>> host. This involves a very great deal of work on our part and I’d like to 
>> tell you a little bit about why that is the case.
>> 
>> For some time now, we have been experiencing a problem with the server 
>> administration tools we used to use to help us administrate both the member 
>> listing for all of our groups, and also other vital server configurational 
>> data. The net result of these problems is that the member listing is not 
>> visible to us at all, neither is any of the other server data, or the list 
>> data itself.  Therefore, the only access we have to the list configuration 
>> is that which every user has to their own specific configuration. Without 
>> going into too much technical detail, Gordon keeps having to manually 
>> rebuild the Open Directory database because there’s a problem somewhere in 
>> the system and it keeps causing corruption. The GUI-based administration 
>> tools are useless so Gordon needs to use the Terminal and command line tools 
>> to keep this airplane flying! Indeed, Apple’s own engineering staff have 
>> been unable to determine the cause of the problem and their ultimate advice 
>> was to simply trash the server instance totally and rebuild it from the 
>> ground up with a new OS install. That is fine in principle, but we are keen 
>> to retain as much information as possible in order to minimise inconvenience 
>> to our clients and group members. Please know that even those of you who are 
>> not our direct clients are important to us. Although our first duty is to 
>> those for whom we host services, we regard all of our members as part of 
>> what we do. Anyway I am babbling. e h
>> 
>> This means that, in order to obtain the address of each user, along with any 
>> specific configuration settings they may have set, we have to 
>> effectivelyΩzsw log in as though we were that user via the web interface at 
>> .
>>  Aside from this, we’re going to have to manually replicate all of the 
>> generic list data onthe new server for every single one of the groups 
>> hosted here. This, believe me, is no easy task; as some of the groups used 
>> by our commercial clients use very highly configured virtual hosts. One of 
>> our most valued non-commercial clients has multilingual options configured 
>> which we are also very keen to replicate. We shall be in touch with that 
>> client directly shortly to discuss the way forward for them.
>> 
>> Gordon has spent most of this weekend working behind the scenes in the room 
>> from which we run all of our servers; (I’ve almost forgotten what he looks 
>> like! ;-)); on the new system, and even as I write he estimates that several 
>> more days will elapse before we’re ready to even test the new system 
>> locally, let alone expose it to the Internet. Why am I telling you all this? 
>> It’s really quite simple. We require, and would very much appreciate, your 
>> assistance.
>> 
>> It would make our lives far easier if you as list members would take a 
>> moment to drop us a line privately, using the support address 
>>  to let us know whether or not you anticipate or 
>> intend to remain a member of this group in the medium to long term, or even 
>> whether you wish us to add you to the new system at all. As well as this, we 
>> would be grateful if you would please let us have details of any specific 
>> settings you have configured on our server. For instance, if you are using 
>> digest mode to receive messages in bulk, whether you have a system password 
>> configured which overrides the default, etc.. Of course, when the new 
>> instance goes live, you will be able to modify your own configuration once 
>> you’ve been subscribed. We are simply trying to save you the work and 
>>

Re: Server Transition: IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ!

[Peter Greco]

I'd like to stay on too please!
Peter
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Re: Server Transition: IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ!

[JAKE JOEHL]

I would like to stay on here too, for the time being.
Jake
JAKE JOEHL
jajo...@att.net



On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:12 PM, Jessica Benzing  wrote:

But I am on the list. Just please don't take me off?  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
> Sorry for confusing your name with someone else's. Please accept my apology. 
> 
> Eileen
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 5:30 AM, "Gordon, Lynne & Tracy" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everybody
>> 
>> As some of you may be aware, we have been planning for some time to migrate 
>> the Mac Access server to a new physical server system and also to a new DNS 
>> host. This involves a very great deal of work on our part and I’d like to 
>> tell you a little bit about why that is the case.
>> 
>> For some time now, we have been experiencing a problem with the server 
>> administration tools we used to use to help us administrate both the member 
>> listing for all of our groups, and also other vital server configurational 
>> data. The net result of these problems is that the member listing is not 
>> visible to us at all, neither is any of the other server data, or the list 
>> data itself.  Therefore, the only access we have to the list configuration 
>> is that which every user has to their own specific configuration. Without 
>> going into too much technical detail, Gordon keeps having to manually 
>> rebuild the Open Directory database because there’s a problem somewhere in 
>> the system and it keeps causing corruption. The GUI-based administration 
>> tools are useless so Gordon needs to use the Terminal and command line tools 
>> to keep this airplane flying! Indeed, Apple’s own engineering staff have 
>> been unable to determine the cause of the problem and their ultimate advice 
>> was to simply trash the server instance totally and rebuild it from the 
>> ground up with a new OS install. That is fine in principle, but we are keen 
>> to retain as much information as possible in order to minimise inconvenience 
>> to our clients and group members. Please know that even those of you who are 
>> not our direct clients are important to us. Although our first duty is to 
>> those for whom we host services, we regard all of our members as part of 
>> what we do. Anyway I am babbling. e h
>> 
>> This means that, in order to obtain the address of each user, along with any 
>> specific configuration settings they may have set, we have to 
>> effectivelyΩzsw log in as though we were that user via the web interface at 
>> .
>>  Aside from this, we’re going to have to manually replicate all of the 
>> generic list data onthe new server for every single one of the groups 
>> hosted here. This, believe me, is no easy task; as some of the groups used 
>> by our commercial clients use very highly configured virtual hosts. One of 
>> our most valued non-commercial clients has multilingual options configured 
>> which we are also very keen to replicate. We shall be in touch with that 
>> client directly shortly to discuss the way forward for them.
>> 
>> Gordon has spent most of this weekend working behind the scenes in the room 
>> from which we run all of our servers; (I’ve almost forgotten what he looks 
>> like! ;-)); on the new system, and even as I write he estimates that several 
>> more days will elapse before we’re ready to even test the new system 
>> locally, let alone expose it to the Internet. Why am I telling you all this? 
>> It’s really quite simple. We require, and would very much appreciate, your 
>> assistance.
>> 
>> It would make our lives far easier if you as list members would take a 
>> moment to drop us a line privately, using the support address 
>>  to let us know whether or not you anticipate or 
>> intend to remain a member of this group in the medium to long term, or even 
>> whether you wish us to add you to the new system at all. As well as this, we 
>> would be grateful if you would please let us have details of any specific 
>> settings you have configured on our server. For instance, if you are using 
>> digest mode to receive messages in bulk, whether you have a system password 
>> configured which overrides the default, etc.. Of course, when the new 
>> instance goes live, you will be able to modify your own configuration once 
>> you’ve been subscribed. We are simply trying to save you the work and 
>> minimise your inconvenience. :)
>> 
>> We have not far short of 500 members in this group alone now, and it would 
>> be a horrendously laborious task for Gordon to use the web interface to 
>> inspect every single user’s individual configuration; especially since the 
>> majority of users have never changed any settings. You may say “why not just 
>> use the defaults then?” That in theory may save time. But we are anxious to 
>> have the transition be as seamless as possible for everybody and, therefore, 
>> we’d like t

Re: Scanning with the Epson scanner and Fine Reader

[Juaanita Marttin]

Pages came up automatically.  I wish I had known that you couldn’t scan and 
read with Fine Reader and the scanner before I purchased them.

I guess that’s what happens when one assumes.

On Jun 24, 2014, at 7:41 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> you read the scanned material in another app like Textedit. I have things 
> setup so that when I finish a scan, FineReader converts the pages and then 
> opens textedit with the scanned document for reading.
> There is no facility for reading scanned documents inside FineReader as far 
> as I know. It is just for scanning and converting to text.
> 
> On Jun 24, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Juaanita Marttin  
> wrote:
> 
>> I just got my new Epson scanner and I installed the Fine Reader software.  I 
>> think I have the settings where I want them but how do you just scan in 
>> stuff like snail mail.  I did a test document but how do you listen to what 
>> you’ve scanned in?  I’m coming from a K1000 and Windows environment.  
>> 
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>> unpredictable happen.
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>> 
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> unpredictable happen.
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Re: More On Our Plans

[Michael Maslo]

I would like to stay on the list also


On June 24, 2014 5:05:20 PM "Gordon, Lynne & Tracy" 
 wrote:



Hello everybody

The responses are still flooding in with requests to remain subscribed. 
That is just excellent, many thanks to all of you who have written to us.


This post is just to let you know what will happen when Gordon creates the 
new group. As you’re subscribed to it, you will be sent an Email just as 
you were when you joined the group. Despite this, please don’t start 
posting to the new address until we tell you that it’s operational. 
Further, there will be a short outage of service. This is inevitable as 
Gordon changes the DNS settings for the domains over to the new servers. 
Usually, your provider will pick up the change quite quickly; but it isn’t 
unknown for it to take between 12 and 24 hours for it to happen with some 
of the most rigid providers whose DNS systems only poll one of the 13 
global NS systems once or twice a day. In the norm, however, it only takes 
a matter of minutes.


Also, it is possible that, if you have used the group at one address in the 
same session as it changes to a new one, you may get an outage until you 
reboot. This is because most systems retain temporary caches of name 
servers and IP addresses so that they don’t have to keep continually 
polling the provider’s servers. This happens behind the scenes and, unless 
you know how to disable or modify this behaviour in your operating system’s 
IP stack rules, there isn’t much that you can do about it other than rebooting.


Anyway, please don’t panic if you see new subscription messages but mail 
bounces or other odd things happen. Things will settle themselves down 
eventually and I will make a point of writing to each and every one of you 
to tell you when the change-over is complete. Please know that we do care 
about our members and we will make this transition as seamless as possible 
for everybody.


Warmest regards

Lynne

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Re: mail suddenly taking up 99-103 percent of my cpu

[Sarah k Alawami]

Well, here is my load avrage when my mac is on. Bleh!

uptime
17:49  up 11 days, 23:16, 2 users, load averages: 2.80 2.31 1.98


Yeah tha'ts grose, and shoudl be taken care of. It seems like it is calming 
down but if not I might restart the system and cry as my record of about 15 
days will not be broken again. lol!

Take care.
On Jun 24, 2014, at 1:51 AM, David Griffith  wrote:

> I think I  have a similar problem.
> 
> Basically when Mail starts my Mac becomes completely non responsive for
> about 30  - 60  seconds. Once  it is loaded it is very snappy but is  if I
> command tab away from it the non-responsiveness returns.
> 
> Let me know if you get any solutions. .
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
> Sent: 24 June 2014 07:04
> To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
> Subject: mail suddenly taking up 99-103 percent of my cpu
> 
> Hello to all. I did not change anything that I can recall but I believe mail
> might have a memory leak.
> 
> I have been noticing that now when I start mail it takes up over 100 percent
> of my cpu. I have a sample; of the process which I will attach to this
> message via dropbox. A restart does not fix it. It will spike  and stay at
> 100 percent over the course of the time mail is launched. Advice?
> 
> 
> 
> sample link:
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/or2hkajmhs4ywum/sample%20of%20mail%2006-23-2014.tx
> t
> 
> Hth.
> 
> 
> Sarah Alawami
> 
> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
> skype: marrie1 (please let me know where you know me from in the message
> box).
> 
> website: http://alawamiproductions.com
> Portfolio: http://alawamiproductions.com/listen
> Podcast: http://tffppodcast.com/listen
> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
> 
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Re: Scanning with the Epson scanner and Fine Reader

[Phil Halton]

you read the scanned material in another app like Textedit. I have things setup 
so that when I finish a scan, FineReader converts the pages and then opens 
textedit with the scanned document for reading.
There is no facility for reading scanned documents inside FineReader as far as 
I know. It is just for scanning and converting to text.

On Jun 24, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Juaanita Marttin  wrote:

> I just got my new Epson scanner and I installed the Fine Reader software.  I 
> think I have the settings where I want them but how do you just scan in stuff 
> like snail mail.  I did a test document but how do you listen to what you’ve 
> scanned in?  I’m coming from a K1000 and Windows environment.  
> 
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Scanning with the Epson scanner and Fine Reader

[Juaanita Marttin]

I just got my new Epson scanner and I installed the Fine Reader software.  I 
think I have the settings where I want them but how do you just scan in stuff 
like snail mail.  I did a test document but how do you listen to what you’ve 
scanned in?  I’m coming from a K1000 and Windows environment.  

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Re: Keep On Trucking'

[Matthew Carello]

hello there. I do apologize I must have miss an email. i would like to stay on 
the list. Thanks. no special settings.
On Jun 24, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Gordon, Lynne & Tracy  
wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> At this point it is a little difficult to know where to start with individual 
> responses. However, I shall respond to all of you who have taken the time to 
> respond to my request. This is excellent – and what is just as good is that 
> you all, absolutely unanimously, have expressed a wish to remain on list.
> 
> Thank you very much for this. Believe me, it is a appreciated by both Gordon 
> and myself.
> 
> I am currently in the process of compiling two databases for him; one on the 
> PC and one on his BrailleNote Apex using KeyBase.
> 
> Just one more small request for now. Would anybody who requires special 
> settings such as digest please let us know? Otherwise we will assume that 
> you’re happy with standard settings.
> 
> Oh yes, and finally, so far I haven’t seen any opinions regarding the list’s 
> name. But I haven’t had the time as yet to thoroughly go through all mail. If 
> you have an opinion, or a suggestion regarding anything we could do better, 
> please feel free to let us know.
> 
> And double finally, so to speak, we would like to invite you to our free 
> E-Mail system. If you’re looking for a new E-Mail address, or if you’d just 
> like one to use with your friends and for our groups, we are happy to 
> allocate free accounts as long as they are non-commercial.
> 
> Feel free to get back to us if you’re interested.
> 
> Warm regards
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
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Re: More On Our Plans

[Bryan Jones]

Here’s a link to Lynn’s original message. For future reference, all Mac-Access 
emails are available from two message archives, both of which can be reached 
from links provided at the bottom of each Mac-Access List email.

http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/2014-June/042492.html

HTH,
Bryan

On Jun 24, 2014, at 6:45 PM, don bishop  wrote:

> I would also like to move to the new list location and misplaced the original 
> message. Please post again if 
> 
> possible.
> 
> Thanks,
> Don
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Margaret Booth 
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility 
> Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:41 pm
> Subject: Re: More On Our Plans
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi! Lynn
>> 
>> Can you please send me your original email about changing the email list or 
>> the email address so I can let you know that I want to move to the new list. 
>> 
>> Margaret 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 25 Jun 2014, at 8:04 am, "Gordon, Lynne & Tracy" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everybody
>>> 
>>> The responses are still flooding in with requests to remain subscribed. 
>>> That is just excellent, many thanks to all of you who have written to us.
>>> 
>>> This post is just to let you know what will happen when Gordon creates the 
>>> new group. As you're subscribed to it, you will be sent an Email just as 
>>> you were when you joined the group. Despite this, please don't start 
>>> posting to the new address until we tell you that it's operational. 
>>> Further, there will be a short outage of service. This is inevitable as 
>>> Gordon changes the DNS settings for the domains over to the new servers. 
>>> Usually, your provider will pick up the change quite quickly; but it isn't 
>>> unknown for it to take between 12 and 24 hours for it to happen with some 
>>> of the most rigid providers whose DNS systems only poll one of the 13 
>>> global NS systems once or twice a day. In the norm, however, it only takes 
>>> a matter of minutes.
>>> 
>>> Also, it is possible that, if you have used the group at one address in the 
>>> same session as it changes to a new one, you may get an outage until you 
>>> reboot. This is because most systems retain temporary caches of name 
>>> servers and IP addresses so that they don't have to keep continually 
>>> polling the provider's servers. This happens behind the scenes and, unless 
>>> you know how to disable or modify this behaviour in your operating system's 
>>> IP stack rules, there isn't much that you can do about it other than 
>>> rebooting.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, please don't panic if you see new subscription messages but mail 
>>> bounces or other odd things happen. Things will settle themselves down 
>>> eventually and I will make a point of writing to each and every one of you 
>>> to tell you when the change-over is complete. Please know that we do care 
>>> about our members and we will make this transition as seamless as possible 
>>> for everybody.
>>> 
>>> Warmest regards
>>> 
>>> Lynne
>>> 
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Re: More On Our Plans

[don bishop]

I would also like to move to the new list location and misplaced the original 
message. Please post again if 

possible.

Thanks,
Don


- Original Message -
From: Margaret Booth 
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility 
Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:41 pm
Subject: Re: More On Our Plans

>
>
> Hi! Lynn
> 
> Can you please send me your original email about changing the email list or 
> the email address so I can let you know that I want to move to the new list. 
> 
> Margaret 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On 25 Jun 2014, at 8:04 am, "Gordon, Lynne & Tracy" 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello everybody
> > 
> > The responses are still flooding in with requests to remain subscribed. 
> > That is just excellent, many thanks to all of you who have written to us.
> > 
> > This post is just to let you know what will happen when Gordon creates the 
> > new group. As you're subscribed to it, you will be sent an Email just as 
> > you were when you joined the group. Despite this, please don't start 
> > posting to the new address until we tell you that it's operational. 
> > Further, there will be a short outage of service. This is inevitable as 
> > Gordon changes the DNS settings for the domains over to the new servers. 
> > Usually, your provider will pick up the change quite quickly; but it isn't 
> > unknown for it to take between 12 and 24 hours for it to happen with some 
> > of the most rigid providers whose DNS systems only poll one of the 13 
> > global NS systems once or twice a day. In the norm, however, it only takes 
> > a matter of minutes.
> > 
> > Also, it is possible that, if you have used the group at one address in the 
> > same session as it changes to a new one, you may get an outage until you 
> > reboot. This is because most systems retain temporary caches of name 
> > servers and IP addresses so that they don't have to keep continually 
> > polling the provider's servers. This happens behind the scenes and, unless 
> > you know how to disable or modify this behaviour in your operating system's 
> > IP stack rules, there isn't much that you can do about it other than 
> > rebooting.
> > 
> > Anyway, please don't panic if you see new subscription messages but mail 
> > bounces or other odd things happen. Things will settle themselves down 
> > eventually and I will make a point of writing to each and every one of you 
> > to tell you when the change-over is complete. Please know that we do care 
> > about our members and we will make this transition as seamless as possible 
> > for everybody.
> > 
> > Warmest regards
> > 
> > Lynne
> > 
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> > mac-access@mac-access.net
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Re: More On Our Plans

[Margaret Booth]

Hi! Lynn

Can you please send me your original email about changing the email list or the 
email address so I can let you know that I want to move to the new list. 

Margaret 


Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Jun 2014, at 8:04 am, "Gordon, Lynne & Tracy"  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody
> 
> The responses are still flooding in with requests to remain subscribed. That 
> is just excellent, many thanks to all of you who have written to us.
> 
> This post is just to let you know what will happen when Gordon creates the 
> new group. As you’re subscribed to it, you will be sent an Email just as you 
> were when you joined the group. Despite this, please don’t start posting to 
> the new address until we tell you that it’s operational. Further, there will 
> be a short outage of service. This is inevitable as Gordon changes the DNS 
> settings for the domains over to the new servers. Usually, your provider will 
> pick up the change quite quickly; but it isn’t unknown for it to take between 
> 12 and 24 hours for it to happen with some of the most rigid providers whose 
> DNS systems only poll one of the 13 global NS systems once or twice a day. In 
> the norm, however, it only takes a matter of minutes.
> 
> Also, it is possible that, if you have used the group at one address in the 
> same session as it changes to a new one, you may get an outage until you 
> reboot. This is because most systems retain temporary caches of name servers 
> and IP addresses so that they don’t have to keep continually polling the 
> provider’s servers. This happens behind the scenes and, unless you know how 
> to disable or modify this behaviour in your operating system’s IP stack 
> rules, there isn’t much that you can do about it other than rebooting.
> 
> Anyway, please don’t panic if you see new subscription messages but mail 
> bounces or other odd things happen. Things will settle themselves down 
> eventually and I will make a point of writing to each and every one of you to 
> tell you when the change-over is complete. Please know that we do care about 
> our members and we will make this transition as seamless as possible for 
> everybody.
> 
> Warmest regards
> 
> Lynne
> 
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More On Our Plans

[Gordon, Lynne & Tracy]

Hello everybody

The responses are still flooding in with requests to remain subscribed. That is 
just excellent, many thanks to all of you who have written to us.

This post is just to let you know what will happen when Gordon creates the new 
group. As you’re subscribed to it, you will be sent an Email just as you were 
when you joined the group. Despite this, please don’t start posting to the new 
address until we tell you that it’s operational. Further, there will be a short 
outage of service. This is inevitable as Gordon changes the DNS settings for 
the domains over to the new servers. Usually, your provider will pick up the 
change quite quickly; but it isn’t unknown for it to take between 12 and 24 
hours for it to happen with some of the most rigid providers whose DNS systems 
only poll one of the 13 global NS systems once or twice a day. In the norm, 
however, it only takes a matter of minutes.

Also, it is possible that, if you have used the group at one address in the 
same session as it changes to a new one, you may get an outage until you 
reboot. This is because most systems retain temporary caches of name servers 
and IP addresses so that they don’t have to keep continually polling the 
provider’s servers. This happens behind the scenes and, unless you know how to 
disable or modify this behaviour in your operating system’s IP stack rules, 
there isn’t much that you can do about it other than rebooting.

Anyway, please don’t panic if you see new subscription messages but mail 
bounces or other odd things happen. Things will settle themselves down 
eventually and I will make a point of writing to each and every one of you to 
tell you when the change-over is complete. Please know that we do care about 
our members and we will make this transition as seamless as possible for 
everybody.

Warmest regards

Lynne

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Re: Keep On Trucking'

[Lovette Yewchan]

Yes I would like to remain as well.
Lovette Yewchan

On Jun 24, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Gordon, Lynne & Tracy  
wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> At this point it is a little difficult to know where to start with individual 
> responses. However, I shall respond to all of you who have taken the time to 
> respond to my request. This is excellent – and what is just as good is that 
> you all, absolutely unanimously, have expressed a wish to remain on list.
> 
> Thank you very much for this. Believe me, it is a appreciated by both Gordon 
> and myself.
> 
> I am currently in the process of compiling two databases for him; one on the 
> PC and one on his BrailleNote Apex using KeyBase.
> 
> Just one more small request for now. Would anybody who requires special 
> settings such as digest please let us know? Otherwise we will assume that 
> you’re happy with standard settings.
> 
> Oh yes, and finally, so far I haven’t seen any opinions regarding the list’s 
> name. But I haven’t had the time as yet to thoroughly go through all mail. If 
> you have an opinion, or a suggestion regarding anything we could do better, 
> please feel free to let us know.
> 
> And double finally, so to speak, we would like to invite you to our free 
> E-Mail system. If you’re looking for a new E-Mail address, or if you’d just 
> like one to use with your friends and for our groups, we are happy to 
> allocate free accounts as long as they are non-commercial.
> 
> Feel free to get back to us if you’re interested.
> 
> Warm regards
> 
> Lynne
> 
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Keep On Trucking'

[Gordon, Lynne & Tracy]

Hello everybody

At this point it is a little difficult to know where to start with individual 
responses. However, I shall respond to all of you who have taken the time to 
respond to my request. This is excellent – and what is just as good is that you 
all, absolutely unanimously, have expressed a wish to remain on list.

Thank you very much for this. Believe me, it is a appreciated by both Gordon 
and myself.

I am currently in the process of compiling two databases for him; one on the PC 
and one on his BrailleNote Apex using KeyBase.

Just one more small request for now. Would anybody who requires special 
settings such as digest please let us know? Otherwise we will assume that 
you’re happy with standard settings.

Oh yes, and finally, so far I haven’t seen any opinions regarding the list’s 
name. But I haven’t had the time as yet to thoroughly go through all mail. If 
you have an opinion, or a suggestion regarding anything we could do better, 
please feel free to let us know.

And double finally, so to speak, we would like to invite you to our free E-Mail 
system. If you’re looking for a new E-Mail address, or if you’d just like one 
to use with your friends and for our groups, we are happy to allocate free 
accounts as long as they are non-commercial.

Feel free to get back to us if you’re interested.

Warm regards

Lynne


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Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop

[Christian Schöpplein]

Hi,

Am 24.06.2014 um 18:01 schrieb Travis Siegel :
> As mentioned before, search the list archives.  I posted a message here a 
> couple years ago (in the leopard days) with a configuration that makes vo 
> work better with terminal.  It's largely a matter of changing the cursor 
> type, and changing things to track that new type of cursor.  It's relatively 
> simple to modify settings on the fly too, if you're in a program like mutt, 
> pine, or something similar that uses highlight tracking, the terminal has a 
> setting for that, just change your cursor type, and all works well.

Unfortunatly not for me, but I’ll take a look at your description, maybe I 
missed something.

Here is the direct link to your mail in the archive:

http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/2010/004769.html

Cheers,

  Christian


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Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop

[Travis Siegel]

As mentioned before, search the list archives.  I posted a message  
here a couple years ago (in the leopard days) with a configuration  
that makes vo work better with terminal.  It's largely a matter of  
changing the cursor type, and changing things to track that new type  
of cursor.  It's relatively simple to modify settings on the fly too,  
if you're in a program like mutt, pine, or something similar that uses  
highlight tracking, the terminal has a setting for that, just change  
your cursor type, and all works well.  Admittedly, it's irritating to  
have to keep switching back and forth, but since I don't have the  
latest osx, I can't work on a solution for that.
I use terminal daily, and have very very few issues with it, and I'm  
still using leopard on this imac, though I have used snowleopard, and  
found few (if any) differences in terminal access.


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Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop

[Christian Schoepplein]

Hi Jason,

On Di, Jun 24, 2014 at 06:49:14 +1000, Jason White wrote:
>Christian Schoepplein  wrote:
>> Another solution to have a good system with good support for textbased 
>> enviroments is to install a virtual machine with linux and for example 
>> speakup.
> 
>Yes, I have friends who have done this, but they also have other reasons to
>run virtual machines.

Yes, I also have to run Win7 in a VM for several tasks, so the better 
terminal support and a good linux screenreader is not the only reason 
for VMware Fusion on my Mac OS host system :-).

>> I use this aproach at the moment because of the mensioned problems with 
>> VO in the terminal, it works good for me, but ofcourse it would be 
>> better not to use a vm.
>
>Yes, unless you're doing it for other reasons of course. Apparently, BRLTTY
>can also be made to work in a virtual machine under OS X. Furthermore,,, you
>can run Linux directly on some Mac hardware, dual-booted with OS X or by
>completely replacing OS X with Linux. I've never tried this, but I've read
>about it.

Yes, I know of all that possebilities, but for me one reason to use Mac 
OS was that it is a stable and modern system with good screen reader 
support for the graphical environment, which is much better then the 
support for graphic mode in linux with gnome and orca. Aditionaly I 
hoped that also the terminal can be used without big problems, I'm 
administrating many linux systems in my job and I have to do many tasks 
via shell, but unfortunatly there are the problems we allready discussed 
before :-(. 

Better terminal support with VoiceOver would be great, then Mac OS would 
be the perfect system for my needs...

Cheers,

  Christian

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Re: Can't get drive door open

[Juaanita Marttin]

It’s a slot loading drive so technically, I guess it doesn’t have a door but 
I’m glad you all knew what I meant.

On Jun 23, 2014, at 10:35 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> Hmm. Ok, I guess that works. I've never heard of that hapepning, but glad you 
> got it out.
> 
> Nowwhen you say door what do you mean as yoru drive unless you have a 
> differen one shoudl be slot loading.
> 
> Take care and glad you did get it solved.
> On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Juaanita Marttin  
> wrote:
> 
>> I held the button down and the Mac shut down but when I logged back in, I 
>> found the drive on the desktop and did the cmd E and the door popped open.
>> Thanks everyone for the help.
>> 
>> On Jun 23, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>>> They do have an eject button but if you hold it down it shuts off the 
>>> computer, or it gives  that option anyway. it feels weird but there you  go.
>>> On Jun 23, 2014, at 7:22 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>>> 
 Oops, it seems modern MBAs don’t have an eject button. The suggestions I’m 
 seeing are to find the disk in Finder and hit command-e on it. Does it 
 show up on your desktop?
 On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:59 PM, Juaanita Marttin  
 wrote:
 
> Where is the eject button?  I was trying to use the command in iTunes?  
> On Jun 23, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
>> Have you hit the eject key on the MacBook Air? IF you hold it down the 
>> drive should open and eject whatever CD is inside.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Juaanita Marttin 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I’m in the process of putting my cd’s onto my Mac Book Air.  I put a cd 
>>> in and now I can’t get the door open.  I may have put it in upside 
>>> down.  At any rate, the eject button doesn’t show up.  I unplugged the 
>>> drive and then plugged it in again but I still can’t get the door to 
>>> open.  What can I try?
>>> 
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RE: mail suddenly taking up 99-103 percent of my cpu

[David Griffith]

I think I  have a similar problem.

Basically when Mail starts my Mac becomes completely non responsive for
about 30  - 60  seconds. Once  it is loaded it is very snappy but is  if I
command tab away from it the non-responsiveness returns.

Let me know if you get any solutions. .

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 24 June 2014 07:04
To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
Subject: mail suddenly taking up 99-103 percent of my cpu

Hello to all. I did not change anything that I can recall but I believe mail
might have a memory leak.

I have been noticing that now when I start mail it takes up over 100 percent
of my cpu. I have a sample; of the process which I will attach to this
message via dropbox. A restart does not fix it. It will spike  and stay at
100 percent over the course of the time mail is launched. Advice?



sample link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/or2hkajmhs4ywum/sample%20of%20mail%2006-23-2014.tx
t

Hth.


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Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop

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Christian Schoepplein  wrote:
 
> Thanks for this link.
> 

My pleasure.
> Another solution to have a good system with good support for textbased 
> enviroments is to install a virtual machine with linux and for example 
> speakup.
> 

Yes, I have friends who have done this, but they also have other reasons to
run virtual machines.
> I use this aproach at the moment because of the mensioned problems with 
> VO in the terminal, it works good for me, but ofcourse it would be 
> better not to use a vm.
> 

Yes, unless you're doing it for other reasons of course. Apparently, BRLTTY
can also be made to work in a virtual machine under OS X. Furthermore,,, you
can run Linux directly on some Mac hardware, dual-booted with OS X or by
completely replacing OS X with Linux. I've never tried this, but I've read
about it.

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Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop

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On Di, Jun 24, 2014 at 09:54:37 +1000, Jason White wrote:
>Sean Murphy  wrote:
>> I also wish to install EmacSpeak if it uses the Apple speech to learn it. Is 
>> there a simple how to guide on configuring the Mac and EmacSpeak?
>
>http://e-mac-speak.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/e-mac-speak-howto.org

Thanks for this link.

Another solution to have a good system with good support for textbased 
enviroments is to install a virtual machine with linux and for example 
speakup.

I use this aproach at the moment because of the mensioned problems with 
VO in the terminal, it works good for me, but ofcourse it would be 
better not to use a vm.

Cheers,

  Christian

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Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop

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Hi,

On Di, Jun 24, 2014 at 09:34:15 +1000, Sean Murphy wrote:
>I think we should compile the short comings of the terminal app and 
>send them to Apple Accessibility. They might or might not know the 
>short comings. 

Good idea. IMHO only a few little things have to be fixed that VO can a 
good screenreader for the terminal too.

Cheers,

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Emacs accessibility under OS X

[Jason White]

A few notes for those who haven't tried this yet:

1. The graphical (i.e., Cocoa) version of Emacs 24.3 is not accessible with
VoiceOver. I can run emacs.app, but VoiceOver only identifies the name of the
Emacs buffer. It can't access the text or the echo area of the editor window,
for example.

2. Emacs in a terminal is relatively accessible with VoiceOver. (I need this
for the benefit of my braille display, hence the interest.) My next step will
be to try to get Emacspeak to run, once I've installed the prerequisites and
dealt with any problems that arise.

3. If you're using Emacs in a terminal, you have to open the terminal
preferences, choose the keyboard tab, and select the checkbox to use the
option key as the meta key. Otherwise, pressing the option key in combination
with other keys will insert characters into your text instead of invoking
Emacs commands.

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Re: Can't get drive door open

[Christopher Hallsworth]

I must have missed that one. My bad.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 24/06/2014 07:45, David Griffith wrote:


I assume that as the poster said that in an effort to remedy the problem
that they had unplugged and plugged in the drive they are referring to an
external drive.

David Griffith
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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher
Hallsworth
Sent: 24 June 2014 07:39
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Can't get drive door open

I didn't think Macbook Air have an optical drive?

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 24/06/2014 02:35, Zachary Kline wrote:

Have you hit the eject key on the MacBook Air? IF you hold it down the

drive should open and eject whatever CD is inside.

Best,
Zack.
On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Juaanita Marttin 

wrote:



I'm in the process of putting my cd's onto my Mac Book Air.  I put a cd

in and now I can't get the door open.  I may have put it in upside down.  At
any rate, the eject button doesn't show up.  I unplugged the drive and then
plugged it in again but I still can't get the door to open.  What can I try?


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