Re: [Mac-access]: iPad Mini 2
Sorry to hear about your ear problem, not sure if bluetooth would help with the issue but would think any speakers that you plug in through the 3.5 jack would work if the volume goes all the way down again, and a lot of bluetooth speakers today also come with the option to connect via the 3.5 jack. Good luck On Dec 11, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Glenn / Lenny glenner...@cableone.net wrote: They will work in general, but not for solving issues as previously discussed. For the no VoiceOver, you can use computer speakers. Glenn - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: iPad Mini 2 Would bluetooth speakers work? I may be getting these for Christmas. On 11 Dec 2014, at 01:34, Glenn / Lenny glenner...@cableone.net wrote: You could plug in some external speakers, just the same. HTH. Glenn - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com To: OS X iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: iPad Mini 2 Well, I can't wear headphones or at least I'm put off wearing them after an ear infection which nearly perforated my eardrum back in March. Sorry for the waffle but! On 10/12/2014 18:19, Brian Fischler wrote: Sorry to hear you restored your device as the same exact thing happened to me with the new iPad mini and all you need to do is plug in headphones to hear VoiceOVer and from there for some reason with headphones plugged in you can then raise the volume. I did soft resets and nothing and was completely lost when VO sound went away but for some reason plugging headphones in does the trick. Yet another crappy bug of the awful IOS 8 On Dec 10, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all, I want to share this experience with you all. This morning I was playing with the TuneIn Radio app on my iPad Mini 2 when all of a sudden sound quit working unless I use Siri. I then rebooted the device several times with no joy. I even tried the volume buttons with no joy either. So in the end I had to restore using iTunes. But lol! Find my iPad was enabled so guess what? I had to restore the iPad Mini 2 in recovery mode! To do this whilst connected to iTunes press and hold the home and sleep/wake buttons for about ten seconds, after which release the sleep/wake button but keep the home button down until you see a message from iTunes that it has detected a device in recovery mode. Click ok and restore as usual. You can do this even with Find My iPad, Find My iPhone or Find My iPod enabled. The first time was an absolute failure because the problem came back after restoring from an iTunes backup. So had to do it all over again, but this time it was a success after setting it up as a new device in iTunes. So all mornin g I downloaded all my apps and configure the device in general. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You
Re: [Mac-access]: iPad Mini 2
Sorry to hear you restored your device as the same exact thing happened to me with the new iPad mini and all you need to do is plug in headphones to hear VoiceOVer and from there for some reason with headphones plugged in you can then raise the volume. I did soft resets and nothing and was completely lost when VO sound went away but for some reason plugging headphones in does the trick. Yet another crappy bug of the awful IOS 8 On Dec 10, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all, I want to share this experience with you all. This morning I was playing with the TuneIn Radio app on my iPad Mini 2 when all of a sudden sound quit working unless I use Siri. I then rebooted the device several times with no joy. I even tried the volume buttons with no joy either. So in the end I had to restore using iTunes. But lol! Find my iPad was enabled so guess what? I had to restore the iPad Mini 2 in recovery mode! To do this whilst connected to iTunes press and hold the home and sleep/wake buttons for about ten seconds, after which release the sleep/wake button but keep the home button down until you see a message from iTunes that it has detected a device in recovery mode. Click ok and restore as usual. You can do this even with Find My iPad, Find My iPhone or Find My iPod enabled. The first time was an absolute failure because the problem came back after restoring from an iTunes backup. So had to do it all over again, but this time it was a success after setting it up as a new device in iTunes. So all morning I downloaded all my apps and configure the device in general. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: [Mac-access]: Recording with Voice memos
I disagree as a buddy of mine and I record a weekly podcast using voice memos and the quality of recording of a 5S and voice memos is just fine as I would not want to do the podcast if the quality was crap. What I would suggest doing is turn on Do Not Disturb then click record in voice memos then do a three finger double tap to mute all voice that way you will be covered about VO accidentently letting something get through which does happen from time to time even with do not disturb on Good luck. On Nov 6, 2014, at 12:02 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Yu could put the phone on do not disturb and have it so no one gets through, or put it in air plain mode, all of which can be accessed with the control center. I'm going to warn you the audio quality will suck, but it works. On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Juanita Martin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I'm going to my daughter's play tonight and I'd like to record the audio with Voice memos. I don't want to disturb anyone with notifications or phone calls, so if I put the phone on mute, can I still record? If that isn't possible, is there another app that would be more practical? I have the iPhone 6. Sent from my iPhone --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at the list's public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: recommended rss readers
Not sure if it was mentioned here but the best iPhone RSS reader is Newsify syncs up with your Feedly account and I believe it is free not sure I got it along time ago, does everything you would want it to do, by far and away the best most accessible RSS reader I have found. It’s so good I have stopped even bothering with RSS on the mac. On Jul 17, 2014, at 12:35 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: Nope that does not work I am afraid. The app does not respond on any attempt to open it. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami Sent: 17 July 2014 03:16 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: recommended rss readers vo shift m on the app then hit enter on open. that will bypass gate caper on a per app bases. On Jul 16, 2014, at 2:43 PM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I found the program but for some reason it does not respond and open when I hit command O on Vienna.app on my 2011 iMac running Mavericks. I tried re-downloading but the app still sits there sulkily in my applications Folder refusing to open. I have disabled the Apple protection from Non app store apps. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Graham Smith Sent: 16 July 2014 17:06 To: OS X iOS Accessibility Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: recommended rss readers I never did find that program, have you looked at luck news/ just wondered how you thought they compared. Graham -Original Message- From: Sarah k Alawami Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 11:58 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility Subject: [Bulk] Re: recommended rss readers I personally use vienna. It's also free and fully accessibil. YOu can do a lot wiht it. I don't have a url but look up vienna and you shoudl come up wiht it on the first google page. Tc. On Jul 15, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote: The softcon news reader is a 100% accessible news reader, and it's free. It's on the softcon mac pages at: http://www.softcon.com/mac/ (I do not have a mac capable of running the latest osx, so it's not been tested on 10.6+, but I've gotten reports it works). --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that
List Membership You need to find another method
Just an FYI for those of us you receive this list in an single email for every message, I think it was wrong of you to ask everyone wishing to stay on the list to email the list with their email as you have flooded my email with a ton of messages that are of no concern to me. I understand you wanting to keep people on your list but you have turned me off to the list and I can care less if this causes you to remove me from the list, but asking everyone to reply to an open thread with their email that the entire list is receiving it wrong, and you need to find another way to run your list. On Jun 29, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote: I am one of the guilty people. I would like to stay on the Mac Access list. I would also like to know how to subscribe to technochat. E-Mail address is: khwi...@gmail.org. Thank you for all that you help to do. Kristeen On Jun 29, 2014, at 7:31 AM, Gordon, Lynne Tracy supp...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, the response to our recent request for confirmation from members who wish us to remain on the service has been phenomenal, and we are very grateful for that, thank you. However, there’s just one slight problem with the responses we’ve received from some members. In the original request, I did make it clear that we require the email addresses of those who wish to remain on the list, and I asked for the address to be placed in the body of the message. In some cases, we have received mail with subject lines such as “Stay”, “Yes”, and similar things. Also those messages and others besides didn’t contain the address within the body of the message. If you think that you may be one of those who omitted to place their address within the body of their request, would you mind please repeating the exercise, this time making sure to include your address within the main body of the message; email address, I mean, not your geographical address. :) it would also be helpful if you’d add a meaningful subject line such as “I’d Like to stay on”, which ever list or lists you wish to remain with. If you take more than one of our groups, such as Mac Access and Techno-Chat, please feel free to include both in the same message if you wish. Again, if you are one of those who did put their email address in the body of your message, and if you made it clear which list or lists you wish to remain a member of, then you may safely disregard this request. Thank you for your time, and my apologies for the repeated request to those of you who either complied with the original address or who do not wish to be ported over. Finally, as I said, the response has been phenomenal and we appreciate that. Please understand that we don’t have the time to respond to them all individually. Be assured, however, that your request has been noted and will be acted on shortly. When the new list is created, you may receive a greeting message from the server. Please don’t respond to that message, and please just wait for one of us to announce that the new list has gone live before you post to it. Gordon is, as I speak, working on the project. We have today acquired new hardware and he’s in the process of deploying and configuring it all as I write. Warmest regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains
Re: tagging somebody on Facebook using Safari on Mac
Hey all, Thanks for this info Brian. I’m curious as I have started doing all of my Facebook posts from the notification center, as it is quick and reliable, but no way to tag anyone in a post, is there any way to tag someone from the notification center? If you put the @ symbol and typed out their entire name would it then tag them on Facebook? I didn’t want to just randomly test this. Thanks, On Jun 17, 2014, at 12:07 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Beautiful. It worked well. Now let's see how long it works. Lol! it's a shame this will not work on the mobile site. Bleh. Thanks for the instructions. On Jun 16, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com wrote: Hello Laurel Sarah, On my Macs I’m currently able to tag FB Friends from a popup list using the following steps: 1. This assumes the latest versions of MacOS and Safari are installed, QuickNav is turned off, and that javascript is enabled in Safari (Safari / Preferences / Security / Enable Javascript). 2. Go to the main Facebook site www.facebook.com. Note that this will not work on the mobile Facebook site, m.facebook.com. 3. On the main Facebook page, navigate to and activate the button labeled “Update Status.” VO now announces “What’s on your mind” and I can start typing my status update here. 4. When I want to tag someone in the body of the status, I type the “@“ symbol followed by the first few letters of their name, as you mentioned, and then I can use one of the following three methods to select and insert the desired name into the status. Note that all of these methods require Javascript to be enabled in Safari. Method 1: Press the down arrow key with no modifier keys and VO automatically moves into the list of matching names and I can highlight the friend I want to tag and then press VO+Spacebar to insert the name into the status and resume typing. Method 2: if your Mac has a mouse or trackpad and if you are comfortable using it and if you have your VO Verbosity set to speak text under mouse after delay of zero seconds” you might be able to press VO+Command+F5 to bring the mouse pointer to the VO cursor and then move the mouse pointer down through the popup list of names and click once to insert the name. Method 3: Open the Item Chooser menu (VO+I) and type the first few letters you typed in step 4 above. This narrows my item chooser down to the list of names in the popup list and I can then navigate and select the desired name using normal Item Chooser / VO commands. BTW, On my Macs I normally use the FB mobile site, m.facebook.com, but I’m not able to tag friends using the mobile site, which is why I wrote my instructions using the standard FB site. Also, I’ve not yet tried removing the last names from a tag, so I can’t speak to whether or not that works in Safari on the Mac. Lastly, while the folks at FB are undeniably making great strides in terms of site accessibility, I have a sense that they are still prone to making random, unannounced back-end changes that alter the layout and behavior of the site. Thus, YMMV. HTH, and please let us know if this works for you, Bryan On Jun 16, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Now, for the bad news. The process should be the same for the mac, hit the @ sign and then begin typing a name, and a drop down menu should appear and you should be able to select the person, hit backspace if you wanna get rid of the last name, etc. The part that we VO users can't get around is that once you start typing, no drop down menus seem to appear. I don't think Voiceover is recognizing the menu, assuming it's there. I'm not sure if it's fixable or not, but maybe somebody more knowledgable than I can take this info and do something with it. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to
Re: tagging somebody on Facebook using Safari on Mac
Thanks Sarah that is what I figured. On Jun 17, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Nope. I tried. You have to use safari to do it or the ios fb app. Take care. On Jun 17, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote: Hey all, Thanks for this info Brian. I’m curious as I have started doing all of my Facebook posts from the notification center, as it is quick and reliable, but no way to tag anyone in a post, is there any way to tag someone from the notification center? If you put the @ symbol and typed out their entire name would it then tag them on Facebook? I didn’t want to just randomly test this. Thanks, On Jun 17, 2014, at 12:07 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Beautiful. It worked well. Now let's see how long it works. Lol! it's a shame this will not work on the mobile site. Bleh. Thanks for the instructions. On Jun 16, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com wrote: Hello Laurel Sarah, On my Macs I’m currently able to tag FB Friends from a popup list using the following steps: 1. This assumes the latest versions of MacOS and Safari are installed, QuickNav is turned off, and that javascript is enabled in Safari (Safari / Preferences / Security / Enable Javascript). 2. Go to the main Facebook site www.facebook.com. Note that this will not work on the mobile Facebook site, m.facebook.com. 3. On the main Facebook page, navigate to and activate the button labeled “Update Status.” VO now announces “What’s on your mind” and I can start typing my status update here. 4. When I want to tag someone in the body of the status, I type the “@“ symbol followed by the first few letters of their name, as you mentioned, and then I can use one of the following three methods to select and insert the desired name into the status. Note that all of these methods require Javascript to be enabled in Safari. Method 1: Press the down arrow key with no modifier keys and VO automatically moves into the list of matching names and I can highlight the friend I want to tag and then press VO+Spacebar to insert the name into the status and resume typing. Method 2: if your Mac has a mouse or trackpad and if you are comfortable using it and if you have your VO Verbosity set to speak text under mouse after delay of zero seconds” you might be able to press VO+Command+F5 to bring the mouse pointer to the VO cursor and then move the mouse pointer down through the popup list of names and click once to insert the name. Method 3: Open the Item Chooser menu (VO+I) and type the first few letters you typed in step 4 above. This narrows my item chooser down to the list of names in the popup list and I can then navigate and select the desired name using normal Item Chooser / VO commands. BTW, On my Macs I normally use the FB mobile site, m.facebook.com, but I’m not able to tag friends using the mobile site, which is why I wrote my instructions using the standard FB site. Also, I’ve not yet tried removing the last names from a tag, so I can’t speak to whether or not that works in Safari on the Mac. Lastly, while the folks at FB are undeniably making great strides in terms of site accessibility, I have a sense that they are still prone to making random, unannounced back-end changes that alter the layout and behavior of the site. Thus, YMMV. HTH, and please let us know if this works for you, Bryan On Jun 16, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Now, for the bad news. The process should be the same for the mac, hit the @ sign and then begin typing a name, and a drop down menu should appear and you should be able to select the person, hit backspace if you wanna get rid of the last name, etc. The part that we VO users can't get around is that once you start typing, no drop down menus seem to appear. I don't think Voiceover is recognizing the menu, assuming it's there. I'm not sure if it's fixable or not, but maybe somebody more knowledgable than I can take this info and do something with it. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember
Re: Posting To Twitter or Facebook, Is It Just Me?
Nope this seems to be the one thing in Mavericks that has worked very well for me. Wish I had a suggestion for you, sorry. On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:33 AM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi! When posting Twitter or Facebook from the Notifications Center on my Mac I now seem to often get a Failed To Post error due to connection problems, is anyone else experiencing the same thing? Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Mountain Lion Safari; Pages have Stopped Interacting when opened.
Hey, I get this issue from time to time where I load a page and VO doesn't automatically interact with the page. Toggle VO off and back on with command F5 and most of the time this will fix the automatic interact issue. Hope this works it does for me. On Dec 11, 2013, at 4:55 PM, Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net wrote: Thank you. One wonders is anybody testing anything any more these days? It's not just Apple but it seems to be what the world of IT has come to these days. It took me all of 5 minutes this morning to realize that something isn't right as I wasted a whole day trying to fix it, thinking I had turned off something. Phil Halton writes: this is a known bug in safari . there is a podcast detailing the problem on applevis.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: ABBYY FineReader Pro now available for the Mac
What are the benefits of the pro version over the express? Do you not have to hit scan twice to scan a document? I assume the reason in the express version I have to hit it twice is to scan once and then OCR it. Thanks. On Dec 6, 2013, at 2:47 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Esther, I bought the upgrade last night for €65 rather than the €89.99 in the Appstore. I just looked at the FineReader website on a whim, thinking there might be a discount available. I haven’t installed it yet but will give feedback when I do. Cheers, Anne On 6 Dec 2013, at 02:10, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi All, Thought you would be interested that a Pro version of the ABBYY FineReader OCR program for the Mac has just become available from the Mac App Store and from ABBYY's web site. The Pro version purchased from the Mac App Store requires that you be running either Mountain Lion or Mavericks. The Pro version that you buy from ABBYY's web site can support Lion. Both versions sell for $99.99. Also, there's an $80 upgrade option that is only available from the ABBYY web site, This is supposed to be using a faster, and upgraded recognition engine. Base language interface support is available for English, German, and Russian. Here are a few links I found interesting: • The ABBYY Why Upgrade page: http://finereader.abbyy.com/pro_for_mac/why_upgrade/ • MacNN's brief article announcement of today's release, ABBYY ships FineReader Pro OCR software for Mac: http://bit.ly/1dTk0y2 I've given the shortened link. The full one is: http://www.macnn.com/articles/13/12/05/scans.converts.documents.into.numerous.formats/ Note that this software product doesn't show up yet on any of the Web pages that list ABBYY products eligible for academic discounts. HTH. Cheers, Esther --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Deleting a Skype account
Hey all, Would love to hear what I am doing wrong as I had signed up with Skype through Facebook and have learned you can't access Skype on the iPhone anymore through Facebook I went to Skype.com and clicked on sign in trying to see what options I had for my account but every time I click the sign in link to get to the sign in page nothing happens so it seems to me that the Skype website on the mac isn't accessible, what am I doing wrong or missing here? Thanks On Nov 12, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - I want to change my Skype name as I made a typo in it, but can't see where to do this. I thought about deleting the account and starting again, but couldn't see where to delete the account. Can I do either of the above? - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Safari 6.1 bug?
Yes, I am having the same exact problem, and encounter this header bug when using the voiceover rotor but once I exit the rotor and use quick nag I can navigate down through the headers. This is yet another very pathetic bug on Apple's part and either Voiceover gets little to no testing before any releases or the testers testing voiceover are morons. On Nov 2, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Fred Smith snuc...@gmail.com wrote: I've just upgraded to Safari 6.1 and I wonder if anyone else has struck the same problem I'm encountering. Now, when I open a web page and ask for headings, Safari only announces one or two headings, even though I know there are more. For example, a Google search results page now announces only two headings, when I know there should be a dozen or so. After encountering this poblem, I've tested by trying Safari on another machine. Running the old version of Safari, headings announce fine. As soon as I upgraded to version 6.1, they no longer announced properly. Anyone have any idea how to fix this problem? And if not, how easy is it to revert to the previous version of Safari? (I'm running OSX Lion, 10.7.5). Thanks, Fred --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
I am running IOS 7.0.2 on an iPhone 4S and it is very accessible, but does have some annoying bugs. Half the time the two finger double tap to start and pause music doesn't work, and to get it to work again you have to shut the phone off, so this can be fairly annoying, and the other major issue which I am hoping is because I am still using a 4S is apps open much slower and Siri seems to take awhile to comprehend what you are dictating in to a text field. If you can live with some minor annoying issues than I would definitely upgrade. On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be a problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching for books and putting them into the right colection tricky. Jane On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person. Best, Zack. On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is particularly noticeable here. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I
Re: Adding extra rows in Numbers
Hey Andy, I find Numbers very difficult to use with VO and have stopped using it but if I recall correctly go to where you want to enter a new line and I believe command right arrow will enter a new cell below your current position hope this helps On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Carol - this isn't working just now. Firstly, if that is the only way, then it appears that only one line can be added at a time, instead of being able to select a line and move it down to wherever. Secondly, I have a spreadsheet where I have already inserted a line, and now when I try to do this in a different row, it keeps inserting the new blank line in the original place, and not where I want it. So, I've no spare or empty lines above the formula, that's why I need to know how to move it down or to insert more lines - Andy On 10 Aug 2013, at 17:40, Carol Pearson carol.pearso...@googlemail.com wrote: At lines above your calculation. Carol P Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch On 10 Aug 2013, at 05:34 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - How do I do this? It seems that by default, new spreadsheets only go down by 30 rows, and I can't find in the menus anyway to extend the sheet. I know from within the context menu it is possible to add a row above or below, but I want to select the cell that has the result of a formula, and move it lower down the sheet, as I need extra rows going in for additional calculations. Thanks - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from:
Re: Adding extra rows in Numbers
Glad it helped. The busy busy and voiceover completely stopping reading any cells caused me to stop using numbers in favor of a database program. Hopefully in the upcoming release of maverick accessibility will be greatly improved in numbers. On Aug 10, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Thanks Brian - certainly Numbers is proving to be a challenge. Thankfully I don't require it for really complicated calculations - Andy On 10 Aug 2013, at 19:26, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Andy, I find Numbers very difficult to use with VO and have stopped using it but if I recall correctly go to where you want to enter a new line and I believe command right arrow will enter a new cell below your current position hope this helps On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Carol - this isn't working just now. Firstly, if that is the only way, then it appears that only one line can be added at a time, instead of being able to select a line and move it down to wherever. Secondly, I have a spreadsheet where I have already inserted a line, and now when I try to do this in a different row, it keeps inserting the new blank line in the original place, and not where I want it. So, I've no spare or empty lines above the formula, that's why I need to know how to move it down or to insert more lines - Andy On 10 Aug 2013, at 17:40, Carol Pearson carol.pearso...@googlemail.com wrote: At lines above your calculation. Carol P Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch On 10 Aug 2013, at 05:34 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - How do I do this? It seems that by default, new spreadsheets only go down by 30 rows, and I can't find in the menus anyway to extend the sheet. I know from within the context menu it is possible to add a row above or below, but I want to select the cell that has the result of a formula, and move it lower down the sheet, as I need extra rows going in for additional calculations. Thanks - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences
Re: Tffp presents: a look at down cast for osx
Hey Chris, Don't worry it doesn't sound stupid, as I have heard stories over the years. I am signed into iCloud on both my mac and iPhone, and all the checkboxes are checked. The only thing I can think is I do have an old iPhone 3GS and first gen iPad both with downcast, and maybe all of my devices are using one of the old devices as the primary sync choice? It doesn't make sense, but who knows, as I have deleted the option to sync and then reenabled it on the mac and new iPhone and it still doesn't properly sync all episodes or even close to all episodes with my current iPhone. Any advice or suggestions is appreciated, and yes, I have contacted the developer, but none of his suggestions have worked either. Thanks On Aug 3, 2013, at 8:45 AM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: It depends on your settings. Mine works fine. You gotta make sure that you have all the checkboxes checked under the ICloud preferences button. Then also make sure if you're on an IOS device that you have it set in there to sync your settings to ICloud. Finally, I know this sounds really stupid, but seriously, make sure on your mac and on your IOS devices both that you indeed are! signed into ICloud. Chris. - Original Message - From: Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 11:07 PM Subject: Re: Tffp presents: a look at down cast for osx Is anyone else having issues getting iCloud sync to properly sync all their podcasts on the mac? Mine are not syncing correctly. Thanks. On Aug 2, 2013, at 11:00 PM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: Oh my God! It's finally available? OK, I'm downloading this thing, case closed. Oh man! Chris. On Aug 2, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I take a look at the down cast app for osx. I present some work arounds for http://www.tffppodcast.com/ a-look-at-down-cast-for-osx / some of the issues in the app, or one issue really, and show how to import feeds. I do not subscribe to any podcasts as this is just a beginning look. Enjoy. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should
Re: Tffp presents: a look at down cast for osx
Is anyone else having issues getting iCloud sync to properly sync all their podcasts on the mac? Mine are not syncing correctly. Thanks. On Aug 2, 2013, at 11:00 PM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: Oh my God! It's finally available? OK, I'm downloading this thing, case closed. Oh man! Chris. On Aug 2, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I take a look at the down cast app for osx. I present some work arounds for http://www.tffppodcast.com/ a-look-at-down-cast-for-osx / some of the issues in the app, or one issue really, and show how to import feeds. I do not subscribe to any podcasts as this is just a beginning look. Enjoy. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: FaceBook
Hey all, a little tip using Facebook and safari that some of you might not know. I have my Facebook page set to where it is bookmarked and I have set a web spot right on the what's on your mind field, and almost every time I pull Facebook up by my bookmark it opens right to the what's on your mind field, so if I want to post something I just type and click post. Yeah I know you can post through notification center, but I find on my mac this seems to be the fastest way for me to post. Hope this helps some. On Jul 31, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. go to m.facebook.com, then go to safari prefs, and advance. Now enable the developer menu check box and chef it. and close prefs. Now go to the menu bar and hit d for developer and down arrow. Hit u for user agent and f for firefox and down arrow once to the one for windows and hit enter. YOu now have an accessible mobile facebook. Have fun. On Jul 31, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all I've had a FAceBook account set up for a while, but never really used it. I just looked at the website and it seems to me, at first glance, to be an accessibility nightmare with VoiceOver. I know that others do use it though, so how do others make good use of FAceBook? I'm sure we bought an app for this in the App Store a while back, so here's the question. Do others use third party applications, or do they use the website itself? I think that probably most of the problem I'm having is purely and simply that I'm not used to FAceBook. I use third party apps for Twitter, and they help me a lot. Hopefully the same can be said of FaceBook, in due course. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume
Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)
Yes, Chris, the busy busy in numbers got to the point where it was ridiculous and slowed my productivity to a halt. I was using large spread sheets I had built over time to manage a large amount of data, and finally just had enough with it with the busy issues and voiceover completely stopping allowing me to enter text in a cell causing me to have to constantly quit numbers and reopen so I could enter info in to cells. I had contacted apple accessibility several times but continued to get the we are aware of the problem but don't know when it will be fixed. After about a year of that, I finally made the jump to using tap forms. Is it as good as using a spread sheet program like numbers, no, but it doesn't crash and I have had very minor issues using it. I am keeping my fingers crossed for a major update to numbers in Maverisk. I also use pages, and guess I am not doing much complex stuff with tables or fonts because I have had very little issue with it as far as accessibility, and use it on a daily basis. On Jul 22, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I totally share your pain with Numbers. I do a great deal of spreadsheet work and would love to use Numbers. The applications is a nightmare, and such a let down with Voiceover. Real shame, as it actually has the potential to be very good. I prefer to use a spreadsheet that can cope with more than a few cells before constantly announcing how busy it is. On 22 Jul 2013, at 19:20, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Gordon, First, my bad, as I get all these emails in one mail folder, and just assumed this was the Google group, macvisionaries where several months ago I got blasted on that one for expressing my opinion about numbers having so many issues. I have not been blasted on this list which I enjoy very much, and love people having a difference of opinions and being able to express them in a polite way. I will reach out to you later and explain my issue with numbers, but I stopped using it a few months ago because of these issues, and I pretty much summed it up in a post here, but will send you something later today. Thanks On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Brian A couple of things here. Firstly, I dispute your assertion that you were Blasted on this list. In this group we have a policy of no flaming, no blasting. So if you can highlight any specifics I would like to know about it. Of course, what you may consider blasting is possibly not what others would. So let me just use this opportunity to remind everybody that no flaming is accepted. We have 0 tolerance of that kind of behaviour. Regarding Apple and accessibility, would you mind getting back to me off list and highlighting precisely as possible, the steps you are taking to reproduce this behaviour? I am not disputing it, neither am I saying you're mistaken. However, I would be most interested to know exactly what you're doing and what your expectation was when you did this. Thank you. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 20 Jul 2013, at 18:30, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey All, Funny as the message you got from Apple on Logic is the same exact response I have gotten for years from Apple about the awful accessibility of Numbers which I now no longer use. I got blasted on this list for listing several issues with mountain lion and voiceover when it came out. One of the biggest being how they reversed webspots in safari. How in the world could this not have been noticed if they are actually testing accessibility? In Lion you would hit VO command right bracket and you could go down down a page to the next webspot, not in Mountain Lion they reversed it which makes no sense as you click VO command right bracket and instead of going down and to the right, right bracket takes you to the left, and left bracket takes you to the right. Ok, simple enough to fix I assumed, and assumed in the next mountain lion update it would be corrected. Nope, they never fixed what seemed to me to probably be one of the easiest things to fix. There have been virtually zero improvements to VO in any mountain lion updates. I will continue using my mac, and do love my mac, but have been very disappointed with VO improvements in mountain lion, and will be hesitant to upgrade to maverick as I am worried or concerned about more
Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)
Hey Gordon, First, my bad, as I get all these emails in one mail folder, and just assumed this was the Google group, macvisionaries where several months ago I got blasted on that one for expressing my opinion about numbers having so many issues. I have not been blasted on this list which I enjoy very much, and love people having a difference of opinions and being able to express them in a polite way. I will reach out to you later and explain my issue with numbers, but I stopped using it a few months ago because of these issues, and I pretty much summed it up in a post here, but will send you something later today. Thanks On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Brian A couple of things here. Firstly, I dispute your assertion that you were Blasted on this list. In this group we have a policy of no flaming, no blasting. So if you can highlight any specifics I would like to know about it. Of course, what you may consider blasting is possibly not what others would. So let me just use this opportunity to remind everybody that no flaming is accepted. We have 0 tolerance of that kind of behaviour. Regarding Apple and accessibility, would you mind getting back to me off list and highlighting precisely as possible, the steps you are taking to reproduce this behaviour? I am not disputing it, neither am I saying you're mistaken. However, I would be most interested to know exactly what you're doing and what your expectation was when you did this. Thank you. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 20 Jul 2013, at 18:30, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey All, Funny as the message you got from Apple on Logic is the same exact response I have gotten for years from Apple about the awful accessibility of Numbers which I now no longer use. I got blasted on this list for listing several issues with mountain lion and voiceover when it came out. One of the biggest being how they reversed webspots in safari. How in the world could this not have been noticed if they are actually testing accessibility? In Lion you would hit VO command right bracket and you could go down down a page to the next webspot, not in Mountain Lion they reversed it which makes no sense as you click VO command right bracket and instead of going down and to the right, right bracket takes you to the left, and left bracket takes you to the right. Ok, simple enough to fix I assumed, and assumed in the next mountain lion update it would be corrected. Nope, they never fixed what seemed to me to probably be one of the easiest things to fix. There have been virtually zero improvements to VO in any mountain lion updates. I will continue using my mac, and do love my mac, but have been very disappointed with VO improvements in mountain lion, and will be hesitant to upgrade to maverick as I am worried or concerned about more idiotic VO things that Apple obviously doesn't test. I'm sorry but you can't tell me this webspot thing was tested as anyone who used it before mountain lion would have noticed immediately in mountain lion how broken it was. Just my thoughts. On Jul 20, 2013, at 6:25 AM, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I agree, Mac OS X accessibility sucks. iOS is far superior and the Mac is half baked and very buggy. I could never recommend the Mac as a productive tool for the blind. I don't think we should give up though, we need to keep up the pressure. We also need to shame Apple by bringing it to the attention of mainstream press Let's try and convince someone to publish an article on how crap Voiceover is on the Mac. We only ever seem to get a slight update each time a new OS comes out. We need to keep making a noise and more of it. Chris On 20 Jul 2013, at 11:08, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Chris, Dealing with both your mails in one here. I wholeheartedly agree. I've been convinced for almost 2 years that Apple sees their job in terms of accessibility for the blind, specifically on OSX but to a lesser extent on IOS, as done. They can walk into any courtroom and claim, with justification, that they are in compliance with ADA, section 508, EU disability legislation etc. Afraid in my view OSX accessibility is dying on the vine so we may as well accept that what we have now is as good as it's going to get. Cheers, Dónal On 20 Jul 2013, at 06:31, Chris
Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)
Hey All, Funny as the message you got from Apple on Logic is the same exact response I have gotten for years from Apple about the awful accessibility of Numbers which I now no longer use. I got blasted on this list for listing several issues with mountain lion and voiceover when it came out. One of the biggest being how they reversed webspots in safari. How in the world could this not have been noticed if they are actually testing accessibility? In Lion you would hit VO command right bracket and you could go down down a page to the next webspot, not in Mountain Lion they reversed it which makes no sense as you click VO command right bracket and instead of going down and to the right, right bracket takes you to the left, and left bracket takes you to the right. Ok, simple enough to fix I assumed, and assumed in the next mountain lion update it would be corrected. Nope, they never fixed what seemed to me to probably be one of the easiest things to fix. There have been virtually zero improvements to VO in any mountain lion updates. I will continue using my mac, and do love my mac, but have been very disappointed with VO improvements in mountain lion, and will be hesitant to upgrade to maverick as I am worried or concerned about more idiotic VO things that Apple obviously doesn't test. I'm sorry but you can't tell me this webspot thing was tested as anyone who used it before mountain lion would have noticed immediately in mountain lion how broken it was. Just my thoughts. On Jul 20, 2013, at 6:25 AM, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I agree, Mac OS X accessibility sucks. iOS is far superior and the Mac is half baked and very buggy. I could never recommend the Mac as a productive tool for the blind. I don't think we should give up though, we need to keep up the pressure. We also need to shame Apple by bringing it to the attention of mainstream press Let's try and convince someone to publish an article on how crap Voiceover is on the Mac. We only ever seem to get a slight update each time a new OS comes out. We need to keep making a noise and more of it. Chris On 20 Jul 2013, at 11:08, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Chris, Dealing with both your mails in one here. I wholeheartedly agree. I've been convinced for almost 2 years that Apple sees their job in terms of accessibility for the blind, specifically on OSX but to a lesser extent on IOS, as done. They can walk into any courtroom and claim, with justification, that they are in compliance with ADA, section 508, EU disability legislation etc. Afraid in my view OSX accessibility is dying on the vine so we may as well accept that what we have now is as good as it's going to get. Cheers, Dónal On 20 Jul 2013, at 06:31, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: And, though I cannot go into the specifics due to NDA, I'll say this, and under no circumstances anything more. I've reported through bug reporter many many bugs as I'm an Apple Dev both for IOS and for OSX. In both cases a lot of the bugs had to do with things in IOS7 and in Mavericks both which are broken accessibility wise. Again, I can't legally reveal what these things are, but the response I finally got back directly from engineering, was something to the effect of we know about this bug, however, what you are experiencing is exactly the way it's supposed to behave, so learn how to deal with it. Excuse me, but I paid 100 dollars to become a dev, not a person whom won't be listen to! Frankly, I'm almost ready to give engineering a piece of my mind! Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino It's the same canned response I received with GB as well. In fact I doubt they will continue to improve accessibility in GB as I have not ten no more responses even through the bug tracker I use. On Jul 19, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of humanware, LOL. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Well this is truly helpful! Really Apple accessibility customer care (or whatever the PR gurus call them these days) have excelled themselves. See the reply in its entirety below: Does my sarcasm come across? Dónal (message starts) Hello, Thank you for your email. At this time, support for accessibility in Logic Pro X is limited. We are continuing to work on improving accessibility. We appreciate your feedback while we work towards this goal. Apple Accessibility (message ends) Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick, School of Computing, Dublin City University, Glasnevin, Dublin 9, Ireland Tel. +353-(0)1-700-8929 fax: +353-(0)1-700-5442
Re: MAIL HAS NO WINDOWS
Hey Carol, I believe you might accidentally be closing all of mail when trying to close an email. I occasionally do this as I leave my mail open all the time on my desktop. A quick way to relaunch mail is having a keyboard commander for mail. I use the z key with the modifier key I think option it is next to the left arrow, so any time I accidentally close mail and mail is still open but says mail has no windows I just hit option Z and boom my mail is immediately back. Hope this helps. On Jul 20, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Carol carol.pearso...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Andy and all, I think we discussed this a little while back and were both feeling a bit confused when we found ourselves in this situation (which I always think of as being in a maze, - and that isn't my favourite place to be! Well, I wandered there again today - and knew I would - so just had to find a realistic way out! Eventually I came up with this (as well as I can remember it now). Go to Mail Menu then to File Menu. There, I discovered, was another item ((which had appeared), which was New Viewer Window. (I think command option N gets you there. ... This re-loads the window you were in last! (I was in fact making my way back to my In-box at the time.) I then brought up the Item Chooser and found my In-box (safely and quickly) and was back on the road once again. I hope you can follow this, just about as well as I am following it now after being on the Mac for ages, and ending up back there again ... because I did something stupid whilst writing this email. Anyway, I really do hope that it helps you! also! If it does then it's all worthwhile! Can anyone else explain, please, why we keep wandering into this situation? It's obviously to do with wrong keystrokes ... Is there an easier way out than I've given here? Thanks and I'm off the Mac now for today! Carol P --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)
Hey John, Relax. It is great to read everyone's opinions on the topic. Do some people go to far saying that Apple isn't committed to accessibility. Sure, but hey that is their opinion. In my posting, I am just saying, I don't know how something so simple as web spots can be reversed as it is completely illogical to now have to click left to go right and right to go left. Also is it annoying that accessibility of numbers keeps getting worse and worse, yes. Try using a large spread sheet or doing a search for a certain word in numbers. I would have hoped for more improvements by now, but I do understand that Voiceover is a very very small segment of Apple users, and I do appreciate Apple's commitment to it. Yes, I have heard the horror stories about the accessibility of windows, and overall I am a pretty happy mac user. Am I threatening to go back to windows, no, I am simply stating my opinion and disappointments with certain areas of accessibility, and getting Apple's standard response for years every time I do contact them. Does the blind community complain to much? No more than any other community. I guarantee boards for other accessibility areas are filled with the same kind of complaints as everyone wants everything to be about them, it's the human condition. I could only imagine how much moaning and complaining is going on about the Yankees on a Yankees board, just to use them as an example. On Jul 20, 2013, at 2:28 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: OK, maybe I am missing something here, but I am reading some of the most ridiculous and assumption ridden posts in this thread. How in the world can you say the Mac is half-baked? The Mac is just as accessible as Windows at this point, and for whatever weaknesses you can point out in OS X, I can equally find in Windows. I know blind people productively using the Mac every day for their work, and I can give you several testimonials from former Windows users who will flat out tell you that Mac accessibility is superior to that in Windows hands down. I just had this conversation with a client who is a former JAWS user who was using Windows since 1994 and still uses Windows because he paid for a SMA. In any event, to assume Apple is done with accessibility or has done so to legally get by is a generally opinionated statement that has no factual or concrete evidence beyond personal belief. How far the Mac has come since Tiger, including Lion to Mountain Lion, is proof enough, and if it’s not satisfactory enough to you, that is your problem and not a general reflection of the state of accessibility among most blind Mac users. Is it perfect? Of course not. I can list the flaws as readily as anyone else, especially since I train folks to use the Mac every day. However, as I said, I can list just as many in Windows, if not more in some regard. Also, well, show me an operating system the blind can use with perfection. We can go on and on about our accessibility gripes about every operating system, but in many cases, the reality does not truly reflect our narrow world views of things. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 20, 2013, at 6:31 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Chris, Just to be clear I think they've done a stellar job on IOS. Sure there are things I'd like to see, things I'd have done differently; but that applies to my own development work (in retrospect) as well. The reality is that four and a half years after iWork 09 was released, it is still lacking in what I would consider to be basic accessibility and, more importantly, usability. People like Anne Robertson (on this list) have come up with workarounds to get past issues that t we really shouldn't have to be working around. With every new update I hope that some new features will be introduced, but more importantly I want longstanding bugs to have gone away. Neither happens. Like you, I've stopped recommending the mac for anyone other than those who want a glorified mediaplayer. It is not a productivity machine at this stage. Dónal On 20 Jul 2013, at 11:25, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I agree, Mac OS X accessibility sucks. iOS is far superior and the Mac is half baked and very buggy. I could never recommend the Mac as a productive tool for the blind. I don't think we should give up though, we need to keep up the pressure. We also need to shame Apple by bringing it to the attention of mainstream press Let's try and convince someone to publish an article on how crap Voiceover is on the Mac. We only ever seem to
Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)
of my system configuration, how I maintain my Mac or just a system specific matter is something I don't know for sure. All I can tell you is that many blind Mac users are using Numbers and Pages every day and, like in Windows, they find work arounds to accomplish tasks. We have a very good, knowledgeable person on this list who teaches iWork accessibility who often provides suggestions for work arounds and approaches for using Pages and Numbers. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 20, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey John, Relax. It is great to read everyone's opinions on the topic. Do some people go to far saying that Apple isn't committed to accessibility. Sure, but hey that is their opinion. In my posting, I am just saying, I don't know how something so simple as web spots can be reversed as it is completely illogical to now have to click left to go right and right to go left. Also is it annoying that accessibility of numbers keeps getting worse and worse, yes. Try using a large spread sheet or doing a search for a certain word in numbers. I would have hoped for more improvements by now, but I do understand that Voiceover is a very very small segment of Apple users, and I do appreciate Apple's commitment to it. Yes, I have heard the horror stories about the accessibility of windows, and overall I am a pretty happy mac user. Am I threatening to go back to windows, no, I am simply stating my opinion and disappointments with certain areas of accessibility, and getting Apple's standard response for years every time I do contact them. Does the blind community complain to much? No more than any other community. I guarantee boards for other accessibility areas are filled with the same kind of complaints as everyone wants everything to be about them, it's the human condition. I could only imagine how much moaning and complaining is going on about the Yankees on a Yankees board, just to use them as an example. On Jul 20, 2013, at 2:28 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: OK, maybe I am missing something here, but I am reading some of the most ridiculous and assumption ridden posts in this thread. How in the world can you say the Mac is half-baked? The Mac is just as accessible as Windows at this point, and for whatever weaknesses you can point out in OS X, I can equally find in Windows. I know blind people productively using the Mac every day for their work, and I can give you several testimonials from former Windows users who will flat out tell you that Mac accessibility is superior to that in Windows hands down. I just had this conversation with a client who is a former JAWS user who was using Windows since 1994 and still uses Windows because he paid for a SMA. In any event, to assume Apple is done with accessibility or has done so to legally get by is a generally opinionated statement that has no factual or concrete evidence beyond personal belief. How far the Mac has come since Tiger, including Lion to Mountain Lion, is proof enough, and if it’s not satisfactory enough to you, that is your problem and not a general reflection of the state of accessibility among most blind Mac users. Is it perfect? Of course not. I can list the flaws as readily as anyone else, especially since I train folks to use the Mac every day. However, as I said, I can list just as many in Windows, if not more in some regard. Also, well, show me an operating system the blind can use with perfection. We can go on and on about our accessibility gripes about every operating system, but in many cases, the reality does not truly reflect our narrow world views of things. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 20, 2013, at 6:31 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Chris, Just to be clear I think they've done a stellar job on IOS. Sure there are things I'd like to see, things I'd have done differently; but that applies to my own development work (in retrospect) as well. The reality is that four and a half years after iWork 09 was released, it is still lacking in what I would consider to be basic accessibility and, more importantly, usability. People like Anne Robertson (on this list) have come up with workarounds to get past issues that t we really
Re: MAIL HAS NO WINDOWS
Yes it was option and m, but I changed my to Z as hitting option and z is so much easier On Jul 20, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Matthew Carello mcarell...@comcast.net wrote: It has been a while since I have used this but isn't there a default for opening mail already? I thought it was option key plus m? At least I think i remember it being that way. On 7/20/2013 2:51 PM, Brian Fischler wrote: Hey Carol, I believe you might accidentally be closing all of mail when trying to close an email. I occasionally do this as I leave my mail open all the time on my desktop. A quick way to relaunch mail is having a keyboard commander for mail. I use the z key with the modifier key I think option it is next to the left arrow, so any time I accidentally close mail and mail is still open but says mail has no windows I just hit option Z and boom my mail is immediately back. Hope this helps. On Jul 20, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Carol carol.pearso...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Andy and all, I think we discussed this a little while back and were both feeling a bit confused when we found ourselves in this situation (which I always think of as being in a maze, - and that isn't my favourite place to be! Well, I wandered there again today - and knew I would - so just had to find a realistic way out! Eventually I came up with this (as well as I can remember it now). Go to Mail Menu then to File Menu. There, I discovered, was another item ((which had appeared), which was New Viewer Window. (I think command option N gets you there. ... This re-loads the window you were in last! (I was in fact making my way back to my In-box at the time.) I then brought up the Item Chooser and found my In-box (safely and quickly) and was back on the road once again. I hope you can follow this, just about as well as I am following it now after being on the Mac for ages, and ending up back there again ... because I did something stupid whilst writing this email. Anyway, I really do hope that it helps you! also! If it does then it's all worthwhile! Can anyone else explain, please, why we keep wandering into this situation? It's obviously to do with wrong keystrokes ... Is there an easier way out than I've given here? Thanks and I'm off the Mac now for today! Carol P --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan
Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)
Hey John, sounds like a plan. I'll give you a shout and we can discuss it off list. On Jul 20, 2013, at 5:54 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Brian, One of these days, I'd like to sit down with you and hear this happen. It's easier to actually hear things happening to get an idea of what is going on. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jul 20, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: Hey John, Yes, I agree who ever made the half baked comment seems to be going a little far. As for me and numbers, I am not sure what my issue is as the final straw with using it was the constant VO crashing when using it. I am not sure if crashing is the appropriate term, what would happen is I would be working with a numbers document and VO would just completely stop working. I couldn't enter any text in to a cell. VO would stop reading and I would try and type anyway, thinking that maybe it was just a VO issue and text was being entered into a cell, but after quitting numbers and restarting I would go back to the cell and none of the text I had just entered was there. This started to occur more and more frequently, and when you are working with a cell that is at the midway point of a document it would take forever to get back there only to enter text in the cell move to the next cell and have the same thing occur all over again. I tried the various work arounds suggested to me, but had no luck with the find commands, and did find it a little ridiculous that I would have to go through about seven steps to do a certain find/search criteria including a VO F3 to toggle stuff off. I decided I was losing so much time spending on these issues that I just switched over to a database program. Now does that mean I don't know how to use a mac? No. Was it unbelievably frustrating and did I view it as way to time consuming? Yes. Did I think that Apple should come up with a better way and should have done so by now, yes. Does it mean if numbers is improved that I will go back to it? Yes. I don't see anything wrong with questioning apple at all. I'm not one of these people that thinks I need to bow down to Apple for everything they do, not everything they do is everyone going to agree with. They are a company in business to make money. Is their record with accessibility fantastic? Yes, is it perfect, no. Would I consider going back to windows? Not unless they came a long long way with improvements in accessibility. On Jul 20, 2013, at 4:28 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: There is nothing wrong with opinions and I think I had tried to make that clear in my post. However, there is a difference between personal opinion and making blanket statements that you feel reflect what everyone should think. If you think Mac accessibility is half baked, well, as I said, that is your opinion and you have a right to that. Fortunately, the vast number of blind Mac users surely don't see it that way, and I have yet to encounter a client who has come to that conclusion in 3 years of doing Mac training. As I told someone off list, and at the risk of being accused of flaming anyone, from several years on lists and particularly being subscribed to about five blind Mac or iOS user lists, when someone makes a statement generalized to detract from the use of the Mac as a tool equal in value to Windows, there are one of three reasons or positions at work: 1. The user really has not learned the Mac well enough to be qualified to make any blanket statements. I can't tell you how many people I have met who have had limited use or understanding of the Mac, but find it necessary to tell people that the Mac isn't on the same accessibility grounds as Windows. It's like taking a car for a fifteen minute test drive and then bashing the car on every category as if you have owned it for five years. Does anyone remember the first AFB review on VoiceOver in 2005? 2. The user has used the Mac, but still is at the point in which they don't know enough about the Mac to truly speak with any expertise. In other words, as the expression goes, they know enough to be dangerous. I often see this in the world of Windows with JAWS or Window-Eyes users who want to criticize the other camp. You may know how to do a lot of things, but your experience and knowledge is still lacking and you don't know enough about what else can be done because you haven't taken the time to thoroughly find out. 3. There is another political or personal a gender at work. In other words, the Mac could demonstrate
Re: Accessible Internet Browsers For the Mack andVoiceoverwithMountain Lion
Hey all, Not having built in flash in safari has been a love/hate thing for me, as I love how sites that have built in video that plays over voiceover doesn't play, but when I do want to watch a youtube clip or listen to an audio clip, not having flash has been frustrating, one way to get the best of both worlds is to make use of the develop menu and have chrome installed. That way any time you want to listen to something, you just open the page in chrome. Just wanted to offer this as an option for those of you didn't think of it. On Jul 8, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Andy, I can listen again to radio programmes by going to the appropriate BBC web page and clicking on the Listen now button. I can't pause the stream, but it does play straight through. Use the Item chooser (VO-i) to find the Listen now button quickly. Cheers, Anne On 8 Jul 2013, at 18:22, ANDY COLLINS a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Chris - are you using a Mac? You might like to go to a BBC station and find and click the listen link. That's the ting, they appear to be links for the live streams, but graphical buttons for the listen again Iplayer - Andy - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 4:59 PM Subject: Re: Accessible Internet Browsers For the Mack andVoiceoverwithMountain Lion Andy, not sure then, I thought Bbc used Flash throughout. On 08/07/2013 15:25, ANDY COLLINS wrote: Chris - Perhaps I'm not understanding the use of Flash, but why can I listen to live streams from the BBC, just not old programmes with the iPlayer - Andy - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 11:54 AM Subject: Re: Accessible Internet Browsers For the Mack and VoiceoverwithMountain Lion Hi all it's not the Bbc's fault it's Adobe's for not making their Flash Player accessible on the mac. There's no fix any time soon either. On 08/07/2013 11:05, ANDY COLLINS wrote: Hi all - New to the Mac, only had my MacBook Air for 3 weeks. I'm interested in the possibility of using a different web browser, as I want to use www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer to listen to radio/TV programmes I miss, here in the UK. I'm able to find the programme I want to listen too, but the play button is a graphic, and VO can't see it. JAWS under Windows was ok with this, as the BBC was made aware of the problem, and made it accessible, but they don't appear to have taken Mac users in to consideration. I'll contact them about this, but in the meantime, don't want to keep missing programmes. Of course, I could be wrong, and maybe there is a way to have VO see the play button when in a graphic, and I just don't know how to make it happen, so if anybody knows if VO can be made to see these graphic buttons, I'd appreciate the knowledge - Andy - Original Message - From: Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Accessible Internet Browsers For the Mack and Voiceover withMountain Lion Hello, I find that the lightning browser works fine with VoiceOver and often allows me to access buttons and the like which Safari cannot find for whatever reason. I recommend that you give it a go. It is in the App store. Paul Hopewell On 8 Jul 2013, at 02:02, gaggor...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Listers: I heard that there are other options for browsers which are compatible with Voiceover. Is this true? If so, where do I obtain swuch a one? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks much. Andrew --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive
