Re: Vowels with Umlauts

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Esther,

yes messing with those option key commands can be lots of fun :-)  I didn’t 
know the 8 key did that.

Cheers,

Dónal
On 14 Dec 2013, at 13:57, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Dónal,
> 
> On an Irish input language keyboard you'll need to use the "8" key on the 
> number row instead of the "u" key to type an umlaut.  So you would press 
> Option-key+8 and then press the key for the letter you want accented (e.g., a 
> "u" if you want to type a "u" with an umlaut over it as in "ü" -- or a 
> diaeresis, which my spell checker wants to correct to a U.S. English spelling 
> with an "e" instead of "ae" letter combination before the "r" -- a more 
> general term for this accent with two dots when it appears over letters other 
> than "u").
> 
> I use the Option-key+8 shortcut quite frequently to type bullets for lists.  
> You would have to add a press of the Shift key to type bullets 
> (Option-key+Shift+8) instead of the umlaut accent character.  Another fun 
> symbol to type is the Apple logo character, which is Option-key+Shift+k on an 
> English (or Irish) language input keyboard.  
> 
> I did find a few other differences with how accents are typed on an Irish 
> input keyboard.  Typing an acute accent on an English input keyboard requires 
> pressing Option-key+e and then pressing the letter to be accented. On the 
> Irish input keyboard the Option-key+e shortcut combination is bound to an "e" 
> with an acute accent or "é". I have to press "Option-key+e" to generate the 
> acute accent, and then press "e" again as the letter I want to be accented.  
> To type The "o" in your name without a shortcut for your name, I press 
> "Option-key+e" followed by a press of the "o" key.  On the Irish keyboard, 
> you press Option-key+o.  On an English input keyboard pressing Option-key+o 
> produces an "o" with a slash -- which I might use in typing Danish or 
> Scandinavian names.
> 
> For anyone who wants to try figuring out Option key combinations, bring up a 
> TextEdit window, hold down the Option key, and start typing key combinations. 
> Then try using Option-key+Shift combinations, or even Option-key+Command-key 
> combinations.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 2:39 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Hi Esther,
>> 
>> I just checked and the locale was in fact set to Irish where option-u 
>> presents the ú character.  Switching to British did indeed produce the 
>> character as your archived post suggested.  It’s interesting as this is one 
>> of the first differences between the two keyboards that I’ve found. 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Dónal
>> I have the locale set to Ireland which might be making a difference.  On 14 
>> Dec 2013, at 12:04, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Dónal,
>>> 
>>> Roger is correct, for an English language input keyboard you should be able 
>>> to type Option-key u, followed by the letter you want to be accented (e.g., 
>>> a "u" if you want to type a "u" with an umlaut, or "ü"). Has this changed 
>>> under Mavericks?  Or might you have a different input language keyboard 
>>> selected?
>>> 
>>> See, for example, on of my archived posts on typing accented characters 
>>> with the Option key:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg03788.html
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 1:49 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Roger,
>>>> 
>>>> That’s exactly what I thought, and thanks for confirming. However when I 
>>>> do option-u, I get the ú character.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> 
>>>> Dónal
>>>> On 14 Dec 2013, at 11:45, Roger Firman  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dónal,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think it is something like:
>>>>> Option-key u, followed by the vowel you require.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger.
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Re: Vowels with Umlauts

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Esther,

I just checked and the locale was in fact set to Irish where option-u presents 
the ú character.  Switching to British did indeed produce the character as your 
archived post suggested.  It’s interesting as this is one of the first 
differences between the two keyboards that I’ve found. 

Cheers,

Dónal
I have the locale set to Ireland which might be making a difference.  On 14 Dec 
2013, at 12:04, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Dónal,
> 
> Roger is correct, for an English language input keyboard you should be able 
> to type Option-key u, followed by the letter you want to be accented (e.g., a 
> "u" if you want to type a "u" with an umlaut, or "ü"). Has this changed under 
> Mavericks?  Or might you have a different input language keyboard selected?
> 
> See, for example, on of my archived posts on typing accented characters with 
> the Option key:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg03788.html
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> On Dec 14, 2013, at 1:49 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Roger,
>> 
>> That’s exactly what I thought, and thanks for confirming. However when I do 
>> option-u, I get the ú character.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 14 Dec 2013, at 11:45, Roger Firman  wrote:
>> 
>>> Dónal,
>>> 
>>> I think it is something like:
>>> Option-key u, followed by the vowel you require.
>>> 
>>> Roger.
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Re: Vowels with Umlauts

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Roger,

That’s exactly what I thought, and thanks for confirming. However when I do 
option-u, I get the ú character.

Thank you,

Dónal
On 14 Dec 2013, at 11:45, Roger Firman  wrote:

> Dónal,
> 
> I think it is something like:
> Option-key u, followed by the vowel you require.
> 
> Roger.
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Vowels with Umlauts

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi folks,

I wonder could someone remind me how to type a vowel with umlaut on a Mac 
british keyboard?

cheers,

Dónal
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Re: ipad air: syncing non apple mail accounts.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Gurrrh, as they say.  Oh well manual it is then.

Cheers Zack.
On 5 Dec 2013, at 23:15, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> I think manual is your only option, I'm afraid. I'm not sure why they 
> eliminated the options from iTunes, but they appear to have done so.
> Best,
> Zack.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just got a new iPad air.  As it’s not a personal machine I’m not restoring 
>> from an old backup.
>> 
>> Am I missing something, or have the options for syncing mail accounts 
>> disappeared from iTunes?  I can enter manually (not a huge deal) but if I 
>> can avoid it I’d prefer not to.
>> 
>> Thanks for info,
>> 
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ipad air: syncing non apple mail accounts.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi all,

Just got a new iPad air.  As it’s not a personal machine I’m not restoring from 
an old backup.

Am I missing something, or have the options for syncing mail accounts 
disappeared from iTunes?  I can enter manually (not a huge deal) but if I can 
avoid it I’d prefer not to.

Thanks for info,

Dónal
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Re: Java Preferences Configuration accessibility issues for Educational web sites [was Re: Snowleopard How does one Clear the Java Runtime Environment?]

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi ester, and others:

I contacted Apple about this and had a rather lengthy exchange with them.  The 
upshot was that Apple are passing the book to Oracle.  They maintain, and with 
a certain justification, that this isn’t their issue at all.

Hope this clarifies,

Dónal
On 5 Dec 2013, at 17:01, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Martin,
> 
> I think you've run up against the accessibility issues in the Java 
> Preferences Utility, which is why you can't find options to clear your 
> temporary files.  This issue was discussed on list last year in connection 
> with updates a user had to run to update Blackboard, and that discussion 
> centered on Lion.  However, the same underlying accessibility issues for 
> using Java Preferences were true for Snow Leopard.  I've changed the subject 
> line of the post so people will know this is a general issue, especially for 
> academic web sites of different sorts that use Java for course materials, and 
> not specific to the fact that you were using Snow Leopard. You'll find most 
> of the relevant posts if you search the Mail Archive for this list, and enter 
> a search string like:
> from:Esther java preferences
> (Case is not important, and when you use the "from:" argument it doesn't 
> matter whether or not you leave a space after the colon". Press Return to get 
> the results.)
> 
> The first linked post that gets returned, "Blackboard & Java authentication 
> problems after updates [was Re: technical help]", includes a link to a 
> support page I found at the time, titled "Troubleshooting Blackboard Java 
> Issues:"
> https://elearn.usu.edu/java/java_tutorial.html
> 
> I suspect you'll want to refer back to this web page for other related 
> issues, such as clearing Java certificates.  There's a Safari reader option 
> for reading this page (Command-Shift-R). If you refer back to this page, you 
> may prefer to ignore using Safari reader so you can navigate directly to the 
> links for "Clearing Java Cache", "Clearing Java Certificates", etc. at the 
> top of the page. In any case, here's the list of instructions pasted from the 
> linked page on clearing the Java cache:
> 
> 1. Using the spotlight tool, search for "Java Preferences"
> 2. Open Java Preferences and click the "Network" tab.
> 3. Click the "Delete Files" button.
> 4. When prompted to "Delete the following temporary files," make sure both 
> options are checked and click "OK."
> 
> The basic issue is that there's an accessibility problem with the Java 
> Preferences Utility such that VoiceOver doesn't see and let you navigate to 
> the tabs that are present in the normal fashion and there are also issues 
> with accessing items in the tables on these tabs with VO where you hear 
> "empty table" even though there is content.  So the immediate answer to your 
> question about why the Java Preferences utility doesn't seem to have anything 
> to do with the Java Runtime Environment caches is that you've opened the 
> utility on the "General" tab, and VoiceOver isn't showing you the tabs for 
> "Security", "Network", and "Advanced".  If you could navigate to the Network 
> tab, you'd see a "Delete Files" button with a help tag that this is for 
> deleting temporary Java files.
> 
> The discussion evolved from trying to give instructions on how fix a single 
> issue to how to navigate to the different tabs, since the user may have to 
> deal with more than one issue and require access to multiple tabs.  The 
> workaround I posted was based on using Mouse Keys to move your mouse cursor 
> down from the title bar of the Java Preferences window onto the tabs.  If you 
> set your announcements under verbosity in VoiceOver Utility to check the box 
> for "Speak text under mouse after delay" and set the slider so that this 
> delay is 0, then you'll be able to hear when reach the tab you want and click 
> it using Mouse Keys.  This is described in the archived post:
> • Moving your cursor with Mouse Keys as an accessibility work around for Java 
> Preferences [was Re: changing tab group in java preferences using Voiceover]
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg11288.html
> 
> Dónal filed another bug report with Apple's accessibility team based on the 
> discussion posts.  I think the accessibility of the Java Preferences Utility 
> may still be an issue, but I'm not running Mavericks, so I can't tell. This 
> may be moot if people are now using  utilities for Oracle's Java releases 
> instead. I hit this issue back in Snow Leopard whenI had to update the 
> version if Java that was running. As always, you can read up and down the 
> other posts in the archived discussion post threads using access key 
> shortcuts, which for Safari on a Mac are Control-n for the next message in 
> the thread Control-p for the previous message.  And if you share this 
> information with a sighted colleague who has started Safari on a Mac with 
> VoiceOver turned off, his or her access key shortcuts will be 
> Control-O

Re: numbers documents

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi there,

I think the latest version is significantly better than the old one.  The UI (I 
presume you’re talking Mac?) is far simpler and cleaner.  In my view, the 
usability doesn’t quite match Jaws and Excel on Windows, but it’s certainly a 
damn sight better than the iWork 09 version.  Voiceover is much less sluggish,  
though there are still latency issues.  For example, if you hold the down-arrow 
key to fly through multiple rows, and then stop, VO is likely to repeat the 
cell contents on which you land ad nauseum.  

Things like sorting data is, in my view easier.  Put it this way, I’ve actually 
managed the grading of student assignments using numbers this year;  something 
I certainly wouldn’t have dreamed of until now.

Cheers,

Dónal
On 30 Nov 2013, at 19:59, Laurel and Stockard  wrote:

> Hey guys, this might sound stupid, but I'm about to buy the numbers app, and 
> I want to know how well it works with voiceover. Obviously, since it's an 
> apple app it's accessible, but do y'all find it easy to work with?
> Thanks
> Laurel
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Re: Is Super Duper! Worth The Bother? [Yes, Of course it is]

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Aha makes sense.  It’s actually why I tend to buy from the developer’s own site 
rather than the mac appstore.  Given how much Apple take I reckon I’m competent 
enough to do manual updates.

Dónal
On 30 Nov 2013, at 12:13, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> Yes, CCC is another one of those excellent value utilities.  It’s a flip of 
> the coin which you choose.  I personally bought a license for both because I 
> am always keen to support small developers who produce amazing software.  
> Speaking of which, stand by for a major new partnership announcement between 
> Mac Access and another great developer.
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> Hi Gordon,
> How does it compare to Carbon Copy cloner?  They seem to do the same thing 
> more or less.
> 
> Dónal
> On 30 Nov 2013, at 12:06, Gordon Smith  wrote:
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>> easiest and most effective backup solution I’ve ever seen on any platform.  
>> I’m a little bit shell-shocked by this subject line actually.
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Re: Is Super Duper! Worth The Bother? [Yes, Of course it is]

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Hi Gordon,
How does it compare to Carbon Copy cloner?  They seem to do the same thing more 
or less.

Dónal
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Re: Screenflow for video tutorials [was Re: Black Friday Mac App Sales on ABBYY FineReader Express, Checkbook Pro, and Audiobook Builder]

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Esther,

Thanks for that link, I don’t think I was on the list that far back :)  Nope 
don’t touch it realy I certainly didn’t much care for the interface.  if they 
ever give me a breathing space at work I’ll do an in-depth comparison…  who 
knows I might even do a screencast of it! *grin*


Cheers,

Dónal
On 29 Nov 2013, at 22:11, Esther  wrote:

> HI Dónal,
> 
> Well, back in Spring 2008 Greg Kearney posted a demo of how to use Drag and 
> Drop with VoiceOver, and he made the video with Screenflow.  This was his 
> first effort, and he managed to only have the audio come out in one track, 
> but the whole thing worked. Here's the message with his link, that still 
> works, courtesy of the Mail Archive search feature:
> 
> OK it's not the best movie in the world and I need to think this  out and 
> redo the whole thing. But here is a movie which shows  dragging and dropping 
> onto Safari from the Finder.
> 
> http://www.cucat.org/projects/voiceover/draganddrop.mov
> 
> Greg Kearney
> 
> 
> So the Screenflow app has definitely worked with VoiceOver!  At least I now 
> know that I don't have to check out Camtasia.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Nov 29, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Esther,
>> 
>> I’ve actually tried Camtasia and haven’t had much success with it.  I have 
>> also been in contact with their dev team and, to be honest the exchange was 
>> less than fruitful.  In essence they said: Yes we know it’s not fully 
>> accessible, and if we get around to it we’ll sort it.  I’ve struggled 
>> through, and put together some less than adequate screencasts.  This is why 
>> that one jumped out at me as for my sins, I’ve never even heard of it.
>> 
>> I think I’ll give it a whirl.  Many thanks for this one I do appreciate it 
>> as I have to do a lot of this kind of work over the next few weeks so it’s 
>> rather serendipitous.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 29 Nov 2013, at 21:45, Esther  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Dónal,
>>> 
>>> Sorry, but I don't have much current information on Camtasia.  Here are a 
>>> few comments though.  For very basic video screen captures, you can just 
>>> use QuickTime.  This was discussed on list a week or so ago for audio 
>>> recording options, and also video recording.  A recent comparison review 
>>> from this summer of Camtasia vs. Screenflow basically said both were good 
>>> (they are both multi-track editors), so if you have one you probably don't 
>>> need to get the other. However, the differences are that Camtasia gives 
>>> more options for animations and annotations, and generally things that are 
>>> graphics oriented (that I don't think VoiceOver users will make particular 
>>> use of), while Screenflow offers more in the way of audio and video 
>>> filtering (which are things VoiceOver users might take advantage of).  The 
>>> other comments are that Screenflow was originally designed on the Mac, 
>>> while Camtasia was ported from Windows. The Mac version doesn't have as 
>>> many features as their Windows version, but the pricing with Screenflow is 
>>> competitive when neither is on sale.  Someone at the Mac Rumors stated that 
>>> Screenflow was more stable on the Mac than Camtasia, but I don't know 
>>> whether that comment applies to Mavericks.
>>> 
>>> My impression is, if you have Camtasia, and if it works well with 
>>> VoiceOver, which I have no information about, you might stick with it.  If 
>>> you are buying a new app for video tutorials, I'd be inclined to look at 
>>> Screenflow first, because of the known history of accessibility on the Mac 
>>> with VoiceOver, and because the additional strengths seem more oriented to 
>>> what a VoiceOver user might take advantage of.
>>> 
>>> Both these apps have trial download versions, so you could check for 
>>> yourself. The Mac Update site probably has the link for Camtasia, and I 
>>> gave the Screenflow download site in my first post.
>>> 
>>> HTH.  Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Esther,
>>>> 
>>>> the one that jumps out at me there is the Screenflow application.  Do you 
>>>> by any chance know how it compares to Camtasia?  We can get that one for 
>>>> free at work but I’d be more than happy to pay the 69 dollars if I thought 
>>>> there were advantage

Re: Black Friday Mac App Sales on ABBYY FineReader Express, Checkbook Pro, and Audiobook Builder

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Esther,

I’ve actually tried Camtasia and haven’t had much success with it.  I have also 
been in contact with their dev team and, to be honest the exchange was less 
than fruitful.  In essence they said: Yes we know it’s not fully accessible, 
and if we get around to it we’ll sort it.  I’ve struggled through, and put 
together some less than adequate screencasts.  This is why that one jumped out 
at me as for my sins, I’ve never even heard of it.

I think I’ll give it a whirl.  Many thanks for this one I do appreciate it as I 
have to do a lot of this kind of work over the next few weeks so it’s rather 
serendipitous.

Cheers,

Dónal
On 29 Nov 2013, at 21:45, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Dónal,
> 
> Sorry, but I don't have much current information on Camtasia.  Here are a few 
> comments though.  For very basic video screen captures, you can just use 
> QuickTime.  This was discussed on list a week or so ago for audio recording 
> options, and also video recording.  A recent comparison review from this 
> summer of Camtasia vs. Screenflow basically said both were good (they are 
> both multi-track editors), so if you have one you probably don't need to get 
> the other. However, the differences are that Camtasia gives more options for 
> animations and annotations, and generally things that are graphics oriented 
> (that I don't think VoiceOver users will make particular use of), while 
> Screenflow offers more in the way of audio and video filtering (which are 
> things VoiceOver users might take advantage of).  The other comments are that 
> Screenflow was originally designed on the Mac, while Camtasia was ported from 
> Windows. The Mac version doesn't have as many features as their Windows 
> version, but the pricing with Screenflow is competitive when neither is on 
> sale.  Someone at the Mac Rumors stated that Screenflow was more stable on 
> the Mac than Camtasia, but I don't know whether that comment applies to 
> Mavericks.
> 
> My impression is, if you have Camtasia, and if it works well with VoiceOver, 
> which I have no information about, you might stick with it.  If you are 
> buying a new app for video tutorials, I'd be inclined to look at Screenflow 
> first, because of the known history of accessibility on the Mac with 
> VoiceOver, and because the additional strengths seem more oriented to what a 
> VoiceOver user might take advantage of.
> 
> Both these apps have trial download versions, so you could check for 
> yourself. The Mac Update site probably has the link for Camtasia, and I gave 
> the Screenflow download site in my first post.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 29, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Hi Esther,
>> 
>> the one that jumps out at me there is the Screenflow application.  Do you by 
>> any chance know how it compares to Camtasia?  We can get that one for free 
>> at work but I’d be more than happy to pay the 69 dollars if I thought there 
>> were advantages.  Given I do a lot of UI and Web Design teaching something 
>> like this would be fantastic.
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 29 Nov 2013, at 13:59, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> In connection with Black Friday, the first day after U.S. Thanksgiving, 
>>> when there are sales to start off the Christmas shopping season, a number 
>>> of interesting sales have shown up in the Mac App Store for applications or 
>>> subjects that have been recently discussed.  Some of these will be for 
>>> today only, some for the Friday and Saturday, and some will extend through 
>>> Monday.
>>> 
>>> Here are a few of the items I've noted:
>>> • ABBYY Fine Reader Express $49.99 (50% off regular price, this weekend 
>>> only)
>>> http://itunes.apple.com/app/abbyy-finereader-express/id412310371?mt=12
>>> • Checkbook Pro $11.99 (normally $24.99, on sale -- last year it was for 
>>> Friday only)
>>> http://itunes.apple.com/app/checkbook-pro/id412490330?mt=12
>>> • Audiobook Builder $1.99 (normally $5.99)
>>> http://itunes.apple.com/app/audiobook-builder/id406226796?mt=12
>>> 
>>> ABBYY Fine Reader Express for OCR has a15-day free trial download at:
>>> http://www.abbyy.com/finereader_for_mac/trial/#
>>> You can find the Splasm Software trial downloads for Checkbook Pro at:
>>> http://www.splasm.com/checkbookpro/downloads.html
>>> and for Audiobook Builder at:
>>> http://www.splasm.com/audiobookbuilder/downloads.html
>>> 
>>> Looks like there is no 1Password Mac sale this year.
>>> 
>>> Telestream sent out an email with a 30% discount cod

Re: Black Friday Mac App Sales on ABBYY FineReader Express, Checkbook Pro, and Audiobook Builder

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Esther,

the one that jumps out at me there is the Screenflow application.  Do you by 
any chance know how it compares to Camtasia?  We can get that one for free at 
work but I’d be more than happy to pay the 69 dollars if I thought there were 
advantages.  Given I do a lot of UI and Web Design teaching something like this 
would be fantastic.

Dónal
On 29 Nov 2013, at 13:59, Esther  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> In connection with Black Friday, the first day after U.S. Thanksgiving, when 
> there are sales to start off the Christmas shopping season, a number of 
> interesting sales have shown up in the Mac App Store for applications or 
> subjects that have been recently discussed.  Some of these will be for today 
> only, some for the Friday and Saturday, and some will extend through Monday.
> 
> Here are a few of the items I've noted:
> • ABBYY Fine Reader Express $49.99 (50% off regular price, this weekend only)
> http://itunes.apple.com/app/abbyy-finereader-express/id412310371?mt=12
> • Checkbook Pro $11.99 (normally $24.99, on sale -- last year it was for 
> Friday only)
> http://itunes.apple.com/app/checkbook-pro/id412490330?mt=12
> • Audiobook Builder $1.99 (normally $5.99)
> http://itunes.apple.com/app/audiobook-builder/id406226796?mt=12
> 
> ABBYY Fine Reader Express for OCR has a15-day free trial download at:
> http://www.abbyy.com/finereader_for_mac/trial/#
> You can find the Splasm Software trial downloads for Checkbook Pro at:
> http://www.splasm.com/checkbookpro/downloads.html
> and for Audiobook Builder at:
> http://www.splasm.com/audiobookbuilder/downloads.html
> 
> Looks like there is no 1Password Mac sale this year.
> 
> Telestream sent out an email with a 30% discount code of "BlackCyber2013" 
> (excluding the quotation marks) for the purchase of their products between 
> November 27 - December 2, 2013.  They make a product called Flip4Mac that 
> lets you play Windows Media formats in QuickTime (in free and paid versions 
> that let you encode more formats), but they also make a product called 
> Screenflow that allows you to screen capture in video format from your Mac to 
> do demos and presentations of app usage.  I know some VoiceOver users use 
> this software (lists for $99, would be $69.30 with the discount). Here's the 
> Screenflow web site, which also has their free trial download link:
> http://www.telestream.net/screenflow/
> 
> Southern Stars also sent me links to the free versions of their SkySafari 
> planetarium apps for both the Mac and for iOS, good from this Friday through 
> Sunday (though the links actually started working yesterday):
> • SkySafari 1.8 for Mac OS X (free, regularly $4.99)
> https://itunes.apple.com/app/skysafari/id451895081?mt=12
> I've generally used the iOS app, which is accessible for all the information 
> parts, though I have used an older version of the Mac app,  Here's the iOS 
> app link:
> • SkySafari 3.8.5 for iOS (free, regularly $2.99)
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/skysafari-3/id437108143?mt=8
> 
> They've also put their SkySafari Plus and Pro versions for Mac and iOS (and 
> Android) on sale for 25%.  These are versions with larger object databases on 
> comets, distant galaxies and stars, etc.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther 
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Text Expander.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Morning all,

Just wondering if Text Expander is usable/accessible with Voiceover?  If yes, 
it’s 50% reduced today for Black Friday:

http://sites.fastspring.com/smile/product/te?coupon=TE2013

Cheers,

Dónal
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Re: Blackboard

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Re: Blackboard

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Have any of you had to use the Blackboard collaborate?  Haven’t managed to get 
that working with VO at all.

Dónal
On 28 Nov 2013, at 17:38, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> they actually came out with a new version not too long ago. It is a bit more 
> accessible but I have not tested out as of yet. the page looks more 
> organized, but you need to get your university to update and that’s like 
> pulling teeth. 
> 
> Good luck.
> On Nov 28, 2013, at 5:18 AM, Ian Harrison 
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>> Dear listers,
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>> I am looking to do a degree in the new year, as some of you may know.
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>> Apparently, a lot of universities in the UK use Blackboard for their virtual 
>> learning web site and will be a key part of the resources I will need to use.
>> 
>> I have to provide an assessment of the assistance I will need for the course 
>> and I have heard rumours that Blackboard is not very friendly for screen 
>> readers.
>> 
>> I would appreciate any comments or experience of Blackboard and any 
>> alternative solutions should it prove not to be accessible.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
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Re: Paprika Recipe Manager Mac and iOS Apps on Sale for Thanksgiving

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Re: question about MacGourmet

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That’s super Dane, thanks a lot.

Dónal
On 19 Nov 2013, at 19:32, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

> I'm looking at the help topics now regarding importing recipes.
> 
> There are several sites listed however the help does point out that - due to 
> frequent changes of web design - the import assistant may not always be 
> accurate.
> 
> I know from my experience of Mac Gourmet that the assistant will pop up and 
> you will sometimes have to move the data around that the assistant has 
> imported, once you're satisfied with the placement of your imported data you 
> can close the Import Assistant and your recipe will be saved.
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> You can use the Mac Gourmet Import Assistant with applications other than 
> Safari so make sure that the appropriate services are enabled.
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>> Folks,
>> 
>> Just before purchasing this software, I have a few questions for people 
>> primarily outside the US.
>> 
>> 1. does it do metric as well as Imperial measures?
>> 2. If it does imperial, which standard does it use?
>> 3.  In terms of the recipe sites from which it can import, are they all the 
>> standard American ones or are there British ones as well?  For example, BBC 
>> food, bbc good food etc.
>> 
>> Thanks much,
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question about MacGourmet

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Folks,

Just before purchasing this software, I have a few questions for people 
primarily outside the US.

1. does it do metric as well as Imperial measures?
2. If it does imperial, which standard does it use?
3.  In terms of the recipe sites from which it can import, are they all the 
standard American ones or are there British ones as well?  For example, BBC 
food, bbc good food etc.

Thanks much,

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MacGourmet deluxe on sale on macUpdate

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Hi folks,

Subject says it all really.  This piece of software is on sale for $24.99.  is 
it worth getting if you already have Paprika?  No idea but the link is below:

https://deals.macupdate.com/affil/14840


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Re: mavericks: finder fails to refresh.

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Good shout James.  Interestingly, when I reboot the machine the file/folder is 
there.  I tried deleting the various plist files as well but no joy.

Dónal
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> Hi Donal
> On 17 Nov 2013, at 18:14, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:
>> Interesting.  Neither with the arrow keys on their own, or VO-Arrow keys, 
>> the folder doesn’t show up.
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> A long shot, but could the extracted folder have somehow become hidden? Does 
> it appear in Terminal if ls is used?
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Re: VO+shift+d not working in Mavericks - Why?

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Yup this one confirmed, and already bug-reported.

Dónal
On 18 Nov 2013, at 07:55, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

> I've noticed this as well. Looks like a bug apple needs to fix.  Let's hope 
> they can soon.
> 
> Tc.  
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>> On Nov 17, 2013, at 22:48, Parham Doustdar  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Since I’ve switched to Mavericks, I haven’t been able to use the “jgoto 
>> desktop” hotkey which is VO+shift+D. Has anyone else experienced this, and 
>> is there a workaround (aside from command-tabbing to Finder)?
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Re: mavericks: finder fails to refresh.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Sarah,

*smile* I’ll  agree to differ with you on listview.  I love being able just to 
flick right on a folder and open it.  Still, each to their own.

Dónal
On 17 Nov 2013, at 18:12, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> Hmm. I’m  in list view and have so far been unable to replicate this.  The 
> finder refreshes just fine for me. Try list view as that’s much much easier 
> to use in my opinion.
> 
> Take care.
> On Nov 17, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
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>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Apologies if this has been raised before.
>> 
>> I’ve noticed an odd thing with the finder.  When I have a folder open and 
>> add a new file/folder VO doesn’t pick up that it’s there.  An example will 
>> suffice to illustrate.
>> 
>> Let’s say I have downloads open and I have a compressed archive which I need 
>> to open/extract.  If I press vo-space then the file extracts fine.  However, 
>> VO does not tell me the file is there.  I should say that I am in Column 
>> view.  
>> 
>> Anyone any fixes?
>> 
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Re: mavericks: finder fails to refresh.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Zac,

Interesting.  Neither with the arrow keys on their own, or VO-Arrow keys, the 
folder doesn’t show up.

Dónal
On 17 Nov 2013, at 18:10, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> I can't duplicate this one. I follow the steps as described, and end up being 
> placed on the extracted folder where the contents of the archive are. I 
> mostly using the arrow keys to navigate, since at the moment adding the VO 
> cursor results and busy signals.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Apologies if this has been raised before.
>> 
>> I’ve noticed an odd thing with the finder.  When I have a folder open and 
>> add a new file/folder VO doesn’t pick up that it’s there.  An example will 
>> suffice to illustrate.
>> 
>> Let’s say I have downloads open and I have a compressed archive which I need 
>> to open/extract.  If I press vo-space then the file extracts fine.  However, 
>> VO does not tell me the file is there.  I should say that I am in Column 
>> view.  
>> 
>> Anyone any fixes?
>> 
>> Dónal
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mavericks: finder fails to refresh.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi folks,

Apologies if this has been raised before.

I’ve noticed an odd thing with the finder.  When I have a folder open and add a 
new file/folder VO doesn’t pick up that it’s there.  An example will suffice to 
illustrate.

Let’s say I have downloads open and I have a compressed archive which I need to 
open/extract.  If I press vo-space then the file extracts fine.  However, VO 
does not tell me the file is there.  I should say that I am in Column view.  

Anyone any fixes?

Dónal
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Re: Anybody using a VO accessible full-featured project manager on the Mac?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

yes as would I.  I am going to need one fairly soon actually.

Dónal
On 15 Nov 2013, at 23:04, Sean Murphy  wrote:

> Brian, I also would be interested in such a beast.
> 
> Sean 
> On 16/11/2013, at 6:19 AM, Bryan Jones  wrote:
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>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> I’m looking for a full-featured project management application that is VO 
>> friendly. If you are using such and wouldn’t mind a few questions, please 
>> reply on or off list. I will consider a web-based option, but would prefer a 
>> native application. It does not need to be multi-user or network-savvy.
>> 
>> Please do not reply with pointers to basic GTD apps, to-do, lists, 
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>> personally.
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save your work often!

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Folks,

Just a heads-up on a very common problem under Mavericks.

I was working on a Numbers spreadsheet this evening.  I’ll digress for a second 
to say that the new version is a big improvement.  Anyway back to the point.  I 
got a message saying that my machine was out of application memory.  I only had 
Numbers, Safari and Mail open and I have 16GB in this machine.  

It would seem that this problem is rife and lots have experienced it.  As yet 
there doesn’t seem to be either a solution or an explanation from Apple.  I was 
lucky that I’d been saving every 3 or four minutes so I only lost three rows of 
data.  

Anyway it’s just a heads up that this is known, it happens so save a little 
more often than you are maybe used to doing.

Cheers,

Dónal
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Re: mavericks mail and attachments.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Bryan,

Generally for me when done via Quicklook all types of attachment fail.  Another 
interesting one (now you mention it) is that if I attempt quick look from 
inside a message body it doesn’t display any attachment.  I have to be in the 
message list in order for it to work.

Dónal
On 15 Nov 2013, at 21:25, Bryan Jones  wrote:

> Hi Donal & Zack — Is it a particular type of attachment you’re having trouble 
> with? I just tested with some PDF attachments by highlighting the attachment 
> in the body of the message, pressing VO+Shift+M, selecting Open With…. 
> Preview. I also was able to do it via QuickLook. The PDFs opened in Preview 
> without issue.
> 
> This is on a 2011 MBA running the current public release of Mavericks with 
> the Mail update they put out a few days ago.
> 
> -Bryan
> 
> On Nov 15, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
>> I can confirm this one. Opening an attachment from the Quick Look window 
>> fails with a crash.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Folks,
>>> 
>>> Just want to confirm a bug before I take the trouble to wrestle with 
>>> Apple’s bugreporter.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As anyone found that it is not possible to open a mail attachment?  When I 
>>> try mail simply crashes all the time.  I have to save the file before I can 
>>> open it.
>>> 
>>> I think this is a generalised problem as I’m experiencing it on two 
>>> machines.  Both machines also have an ML partition and it seems not to 
>>> happen on those.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Dónal
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Re: mavericks mail and attachments.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Thanks Zac.
On 15 Nov 2013, at 19:39, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> I can confirm this one. Opening an attachment from the Quick Look window 
> fails with a crash.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
>> Folks,
>> 
>> Just want to confirm a bug before I take the trouble to wrestle with Apple’s 
>> bugreporter.
>> 
>> 
>> As anyone found that it is not possible to open a mail attachment?  When I 
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Folks,

Just want to confirm a bug before I take the trouble to wrestle with Apple’s 
bugreporter.


As anyone found that it is not possible to open a mail attachment?  When I try 
mail simply crashes all the time.  I have to save the file before I can open it.

I think this is a generalised problem as I’m experiencing it on two machines.  
Both machines also have an ML partition and it seems not to happen on those.

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Re: odd thing with the terminal

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Hi Sarah,

It  seems to me on some networks Mavericks changes the hostname.  On my home 
network it happens but not at work.  

Cheers,

Dónal
On 13 Nov 2013, at 18:20, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

>> I’m on a different network at the moment, the college network to be exact, 
>> so this might or might not have something to do with this.
> 
> I brought up the terminal to do something, a  touch command to create an 
> empty file in fact and got this before every single thing when I hit enter. 
> the file is still created but this is what is in the window to the left of 
> the command I entered. 
> 
> u-10-81-26-205: then the command.
> 
> What’s going on and how can I fix this? my host name is still  the same so 
> that’s not the issue.
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Re: Where To? iOS app on sale today for $0.99

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Hi Esther,

I’ve heard about this app.  Do you know how well it works in Europe?  Some of 
these apps are great in North America/Canada but lousy elsewhere.

cheers,

Dónal
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> Hi All,
> "Where To?" is on sale today for $0.99 "for a very limited time", reduced 
> from $2.99.  This is one of my favorite apps for POIs.
> • Where To? -- Discover your next destination using GPS (on sale for $0.99, 
> usually $2.99) by FutureTap GmbH
> https://itunes.apple.com/nz/app/where-to-gps-points-interest/id314785156?mt=8
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Re: Sharing iCloud calendar

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found it.  Three’s an unlabelled button to the right of the calendar name. 
Press that and voila.

Cheers.

Dónal
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> 
> Very interesting.  When I right click (vo-m) on the calendar in the careldar 
> view, no menu appears.  Nice to hear I was on the right track.  
> 
> Cheers.
> 
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>> It’s been a while, how ever what I believe I did was right click the 
>> calendar, that is vo shift m and click  publish. then set it to read only 
>> and wait for the link to be generated. At this point I was not sure what to 
>> do next as it took for ever but the link finally generated and I was ok to 
>> email the link to my family and friends.
>> 
>> I hope you get a more clear answer on this as last time I did this was under 
>> ml, last year.
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>>> Hi folks,
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>>> Is there a way?  All the help refers to is point-and-click on icons which 
>>> isn’t helpful.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
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Re: Sharing iCloud calendar

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Hi Sarah,

Very interesting.  When I right click (vo-m) on the calendar in the careldar 
view, no menu appears.  Nice to hear I was on the right track.  

Cheers.

Dónal
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> next as it took for ever but the link finally generated and I was ok to email 
> the link to my family and friends.
> 
> I hope you get a more clear answer on this as last time I did this was under 
> ml, last year.
> On Nov 10, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
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>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> I need to share iCloud calendars but can’t figure how to do this using VO.  
>> Is there a way?  All the help refers to is point-and-click on icons which 
>> isn’t helpful.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Dónal
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Sharing iCloud calendar

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi folks,

I need to share iCloud calendars but can’t figure how to do this using VO.  Is 
there a way?  All the help refers to is point-and-click on icons which isn’t 
helpful.

Kind regards,

Dónal
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Re: (solved) sorting tables in Numbers.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Oops my apologies folks, I should have acknowledged the source of the 
information in my previous mail.  it came from Josh De Lioncourt via Twitter.  
As I said, info not mine but I’ve verified it works.

Cheers,

Dónal
On 7 Nov 2013, at 22:13, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:

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> I can’t take the credit for this one, but it works.  Sorting a table of data 
> in Numbers under Mavericks is actually dead easy.  It’s also blindingly 
> obvious when you read it.
> 
> Here’s the procedure:
> 
> 1. Firstly, press VO-Vertical bar. 
> 2.  Select the Column/row. 
> 3.  ON the header you want to sort by, VO-Shift-M for options. 
> 4. then hit VO-vertical bar to exit.
> 
> of course this Vo-Vertical Bar is used all over the place to sort any number 
> of tables so I should have thought of it.  
> 
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> 
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(solved) sorting tables in Numbers.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Evening folks,

I can’t take the credit for this one, but it works.  Sorting a table of data in 
Numbers under Mavericks is actually dead easy.  It’s also blindingly obvious 
when you read it.

Here’s the procedure:

1. Firstly, press VO-Vertical bar. 
2.  Select the Column/row. 
3.  ON the header you want to sort by, VO-Shift-M for options. 
4. then hit VO-vertical bar to exit.

of course this Vo-Vertical Bar is used all over the place to sort any number of 
tables so I should have thought of it.  

All the best,

Dónal
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Re: sorting data in Numbers

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Sorry, should have qualified that to point out I’m talking of the new Numbers 
under Mavericks.  Apologies for any confusion.

Dónal
On 5 Nov 2013, at 12:55, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:

> Hi folks,
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> Has anyone figured a way to do this using VO?  I’ve scoured the help but 
> can’t find anything.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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sorting data in Numbers

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Hi folks,

Has anyone figured a way to do this using VO?  I’ve scoured the help but can’t 
find anything.

Cheers,

Dónal
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I’m with Travis on this one.  I teach Web Design and use this in class to write 
HTML, CSS, Javascript (etc) on the fly.  The one thing I’d say is that out of 
the box it opens in an HTML 4.01 doctype.  It’s a simple matter to change it, 
but I’d recommend doing so.  If you’re going to do HTML you might as well work 
off the HTML 5 spec.  If you’re looking for good books, then OReilly is the 
place to go.  You can get them DRM free, and in various formats which work very 
well on mac and IOS.  Personally I use the Kindle app on IOS mainly but that’s 
personal choice.  Finally, some of the stuff on w3Schools is worth a look.

As coding websites is off topic for this list feel free to contact me offlist 
if I can help.  The caveat is that it might take me a while to respond as I’m 
up to my ears in student projects at the minute.

Dónal
On 4 Nov 2013, at 20:12, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

> I haven't used it for a while but wasn't there one called Sandbox or 
> something like that? When I used it years ago it wasn't too bad.
> 
> On 5 Nov 2013, at 7:02 am, Travis Siegel  wrote:
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Re: Finder busy, when going through folders with a lot of files in them in Mavericks?

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HI Dan,

Yep can confirm I’m getting this on two separate machines.  One is an iMac 
(same as yours) the other a much older Macbook Pro.

To get around it I press cmd-option-escape to bring up the force quit window, 
then relaunch finder.

Cheers,

Dónal
On 1 Nov 2013, at 16:43, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:

> Hi all, in Mavericks now, I noticed that when I’m attempting to go through a 
> folder that has a lot of files in it, that I’m getting finder busy and it’s 
> locking up.  This is on a late 2012 iMac, with 16 gb ram, and a 3.1 ghz quad 
> core i7 processor.  A friend of mine is also getting this on her   early 2011 
> Macbook pro, one of the first ones to have thunderbolt.Is anyone else 
> getting this?  If so how are they working around it?  If it would make a 
> difference, we both did upgrades overtop of Mountain lion, rather than clean 
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[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi folks,

Just wondering if anyone has managed to get this working on either Mac or IOS?  
I tried logging onto a meeting with it this morning and it just hung.  However 
a machine running *cough* that other operating system, logged on fine.

I note that Collaborate is a Java based application and I’ve never really had 
much joy with those on Mac.  Anywho, thoughts welcome.

Dónal
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Re: ibooks on mac

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Aside from the buttons, I do like the way it presents the information.

Dónal
On 30 Oct 2013, at 23:18, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Will,
> iBOoks on Mac is a work in progress, definitely. You can get to table of 
> contents with cmd-t, and library with cmd-l. I’m not sure why the first 
> release was this way, but I’ve been assured they’re working on it.
> Best, 
> Zack.
> On Oct 30, 2013, at 4:13 PM, William Lomas  wrote:
> 
>> hi all i have just upgraded to mac 10.9 and it is a shame re the buttons in 
>> ibooks. why i wonder just out o interest did no one pick up on this with 
>> apple in testing, given that blind people are supposedly in the teasing 
>> phase?
>> this is so unlike apple to be honest
>> anyway how do i get back to my library of books? 
>> can i also get to table of contents etc?
>> regards will
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Re: Update: Jump to top / bottom of column in Mavericks Mail message list

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Sorry Bryan I’m wrong; it does stay in the same column.  Not sure what I hit 
the first time.  Apologies for any confusion.

Dónal
On 30 Oct 2013, at 13:47, Bryan Jones  wrote:

> Hi Folks — Can anyone verify that Command+Option+up/down arrow keys are now 
> initiating the jump to top/bottom of a message list in Mavericks Mail?
> 
> I finally got around to installing the public release of Mavericks and, as 
> others have mentioned, found I was no longer able to use the Option+up/down 
> arrow keys to jump to the top or bottom of a column in the Mail message list. 
> However, I am now able to instead perform this jump using the 
> Command+Option+up/down arrow keys. This is working for me in both standard 
> and classic mail views, and leaves focus in the same column in classic view. 
> This keystroke does not require waiting a moment as the previous Tiger - SL 
> versions did. The jump happens immediately. Sorry Esther, as far as I can 
> tell it does not seem to recognize threads in any way.
> 
> This is on a 2011 MBA running the latest Mavericks release with all software 
> updates.
> 
> Cheers,
> Bryan  
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
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>> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
>> Date: October 22, 2013 at 6:11:41 PM EDT
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
>> 
>> Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the 
>> ability to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message 
>> rows in Mavericks’ Mail.app
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Re: Update: Jump to top / bottom of column in Mavericks Mail message list

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Bryan,

This is the case for me.  I note however that the cmd-option-(arrow) does go to 
top/bottom, but it changes column for me.  In other words, if we assume an NXM 
table, then this keystroke either puts me in row 1 col 1 or row n col. m.

Cheers,

Dónal
On 30 Oct 2013, at 13:47, Bryan Jones  wrote:

> Hi Folks — Can anyone verify that Command+Option+up/down arrow keys are now 
> initiating the jump to top/bottom of a message list in Mavericks Mail?
> 
> I finally got around to installing the public release of Mavericks and, as 
> others have mentioned, found I was no longer able to use the Option+up/down 
> arrow keys to jump to the top or bottom of a column in the Mail message list. 
> However, I am now able to instead perform this jump using the 
> Command+Option+up/down arrow keys. This is working for me in both standard 
> and classic mail views, and leaves focus in the same column in classic view. 
> This keystroke does not require waiting a moment as the previous Tiger - SL 
> versions did. The jump happens immediately. Sorry Esther, as far as I can 
> tell it does not seem to recognize threads in any way.
> 
> This is on a 2011 MBA running the latest Mavericks release with all software 
> updates.
> 
> Cheers,
> Bryan  
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Bryan Jones 
>> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
>> Date: October 22, 2013 at 6:11:41 PM EDT
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
>> 
>> Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the 
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Re: odd behaviour in Mavericks terminal

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Gina,

In fairness once it changes at startup it’s constant thereafter.

Dónal
On 28 Oct 2013, at 15:29, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Actually, I think it hasn't been that stable before. My Mac Mini running ML 
> doesn't use the hostname in the prompt. But my Air does. However, both 
> machines are constant which sounds like it is different to Mavericks.
> 
> Gena
> Georgina Joyce
> Applied Psychologist
> Training and Coaching.
> Because individuals of groups matter!
> 
> 
> On 28 Oct 2013, at 08:40, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> yes I quite agree.  The computername and everything else seems quite normal. 
>>  However the Hostname command is reporting the hostname to be different. 
>> Instead of:
>> 
>> DonalFitzpatricks-Macbook-Pro.local
>> 
>> (the computer name) the hostname is:
>> 
>> DonalFiricksMBP.lan
>> 
>> it’s abbreviating the computer type (Macbook Pro) and also my name to form a 
>> new hostname.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 27 Oct 2013, at 23:13, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Well, I haven't upgraded yet. I use the terminal a lot. So certainly won't 
>>> upgrade until things like this are fixed. I would have thought that it is a 
>>> potential serious security issue. Certainly, not something to be laid back 
>>> about. So what is the behaviour? Is it using the terminal invokes a 
>>> hostname change? Or is it another event?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> Georgina Joyce
>>> Applied Psychologist
>>> Training and Coaching.
>>> Because individuals of groups matter!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 26 Oct 2013, at 23:37, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I noticed it as well. Not sure why, it seems strange, but also pretty 
>>>> obviously deliberate. Odd decision on Apple’s part.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Zack.
>>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> evening all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here’s a strange one.  Under previous versions of OSX, the terminal 
>>>>> prompt on my mac looked like:
>>>>> 
>>>>> DonalFitzpatricksMacbookPro:~dfitzpat$
>>>>> 
>>>>> which is all very normal.  However something very strange is happening 
>>>>> under Mavericks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I run terminal, the prompt now looks like:
>>>>> 
>>>>> donalfiricksmbp:~
>>>>> 
>>>>> In other words my name and the type of machine is abbreviated.  There is 
>>>>> an anomaly to this.  If I run terminal, then do a restart, terminal opens 
>>>>> up on system boot up.  However, it opens up with the prompt:
>>>>> 
>>>>> DonalFitzpatricksMacbookPro:~$
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyone know why this should be the case?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Dónal dfitzpat$
>>>>> Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick,
>>>>> School of Computing, 
>>>>> Dublin City University,
>>>>> Glasnevin, 
>>>>> Dublin 9, Ireland
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Re: odd behaviour in Mavericks terminal

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi there,

yes I quite agree.  The computername and everything else seems quite normal.  
However the Hostname command is reporting the hostname to be different. Instead 
of:

DonalFitzpatricks-Macbook-Pro.local

(the computer name) the hostname is:

DonalFiricksMBP.lan

it’s abbreviating the computer type (Macbook Pro) and also my name to form a 
new hostname.

Cheers,

Dónal
On 27 Oct 2013, at 23:13, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Well, I haven't upgraded yet. I use the terminal a lot. So certainly won't 
> upgrade until things like this are fixed. I would have thought that it is a 
> potential serious security issue. Certainly, not something to be laid back 
> about. So what is the behaviour? Is it using the terminal invokes a hostname 
> change? Or is it another event?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Gena
> Georgina Joyce
> Applied Psychologist
> Training and Coaching.
> Because individuals of groups matter!
> 
> 
> On 26 Oct 2013, at 23:37, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I noticed it as well. Not sure why, it seems strange, but also pretty 
>> obviously deliberate. Odd decision on Apple’s part.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> evening all,
>>> 
>>> Here’s a strange one.  Under previous versions of OSX, the terminal prompt 
>>> on my mac looked like:
>>> 
>>> DonalFitzpatricksMacbookPro:~dfitzpat$
>>> 
>>> which is all very normal.  However something very strange is happening 
>>> under Mavericks.
>>> 
>>> If I run terminal, the prompt now looks like:
>>> 
>>> donalfiricksmbp:~
>>> 
>>> In other words my name and the type of machine is abbreviated.  There is an 
>>> anomaly to this.  If I run terminal, then do a restart, terminal opens up 
>>> on system boot up.  However, it opens up with the prompt:
>>> 
>>> DonalFitzpatricksMacbookPro:~$
>>> 
>>> Anyone know why this should be the case?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dónal dfitzpat$
>>> Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick,
>>> School of Computing, 
>>> Dublin City University,
>>> Glasnevin, 
>>> Dublin 9, Ireland
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Re: odd behaviour in Mavericks terminal

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Zac and Gina,

Thanks both for your mails.  I’m taking the liberty of responding to both in 
one message.

The prompt is made up of the standard Unix characters such as \h for hostname 
etc.  You can see what the prompt is by echoing $PS1.

I think Zac is correct here as on the Mavericks partition the hostname (as 
reported by Hostname) is different from the computer name found under sharing 
preferences. So something somewhere is changing it.  I can confirm it’s not my 
router as I’ve turned off all connectivity and still see the same behaviour.  
I’ll continue to poke around.

Cheers,

Dónal
On 27 Oct 2013, at 17:16, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi,
> We’re overanalyzing this. :) The $ is just the same under Unix as under OS X. 
> Just because you’re an admin user under OS X doesn’t mean you’re root. The 
> problem has everything to do with the hostname,and nothing else.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Owch, that don't look good.
>> 
>> I don't know about how the OS X prompt is made up and what certain symbols 
>> mean. I suspect they would be Unix standard. I have just tried to run as 
>> root but I can't. On a Linux system the root user's prompt ends with a 
>> number sign. However, here on OS X, a user promt ends with ~$. So may be 
>> your other prompt is as the admin user. Anyway, such things are specified in 
>> either .bashrc .profile .bash_profile. Either in your home directory or 
>> global system wide in /etc.
>> 
>> I assume you have the box ticked that indicates that you want your windows 
>> reopening on the next restart.
>> 
>> Or does the system have a serious error that requires admin privileges?
>> 
>> The system name used in the prompt is the names associated with each machine 
>> on the network and in ML are set via the sharing options in system prefs.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> Gena
>> Georgina Joyce
>> Applied Psychologist
>> Training and Coaching.
>> Because individuals of groups matter!
>> 
>> 
>> On 26 Oct 2013, at 23:31, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> evening all,
>>> 
>>> Here’s a strange one.  Under previous versions of OSX, the terminal prompt 
>>> on my mac looked like:
>>> 
>>> DonalFitzpatricksMacbookPro:~dfitzpat$
>>> 
>>> which is all very normal.  However something very strange is happening 
>>> under Mavericks.
>>> 
>>> If I run terminal, the prompt now looks like:
>>> 
>>> donalfiricksmbp:~
>>> 
>>> In other words my name and the type of machine is abbreviated.  There is an 
>>> anomaly to this.  If I run terminal, then do a restart, terminal opens up 
>>> on system boot up.  However, it opens up with the prompt:
>>> 
>>> DonalFitzpatricksMacbookPro:~$
>>> 
>>> Anyone know why this should be the case?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dónal dfitzpat$
>>> Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick,
>>> School of Computing, 
>>> Dublin City University,
>>> Glasnevin, 
>>> Dublin 9, Ireland
>>> Tel. +353-(0)1-700-8929
>>> fax: +353-(0)1-700-5442
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Re: odd behaviour in Mavericks terminal

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

HI Chris,  Nope seems to be opening bash all right.  Tis most odd.

Dónal
On 27 Oct 2013, at 02:43, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

> I wonder if it has something to do with it not opening bash, from /bin/bash 
> but maybe is openning some other shell instead.
> 
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> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 6:37 PM
> Subject: Re: odd behaviour in Mavericks terminal
> 
> 
> Hi,
> I noticed it as well. Not sure why, it seems strange, but also pretty 
> obviously deliberate. Odd decision on Apple’s part.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
>> evening all,
>> 
>> Here’s a strange one.  Under previous versions of OSX, the terminal prompt 
>> on my mac looked like:
>> 
>> DonalFitzpatricksMacbookPro:~dfitzpat$
>> 
>> which is all very normal.  However something very strange is happening under 
>> Mavericks.
>> 
>> If I run terminal, the prompt now looks like:
>> 
>> donalfiricksmbp:~
>> 
>> In other words my name and the type of machine is abbreviated.  There is an 
>> anomaly to this.  If I run terminal, then do a restart, terminal opens up on 
>> system boot up.  However, it opens up with the prompt:
>> 
>> DonalFitzpatricksMacbookPro:~$
>> 
>> Anyone know why this should be the case?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dónal dfitzpat$
>> Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick,
>> School of Computing,
>> Dublin City University,
>> Glasnevin,
>> Dublin 9, Ireland
>> Tel. +353-(0)1-700-8929
>> fax: +353-(0)1-700-5442
>> email: dfitzpat (at) computing.dcu.ie
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Re: odd behaviour in Mavericks terminal

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

you’re dead right I just mored my .bash_profile and it has the prompt 
specifically set to include \h which is the hostname.  Most interesting indeed.
On 26 Oct 2013, at 23:43, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi,
> I suspect something with the network settings. It’s not just the prompt as 
> far as I can tell, it’s the hostname. 
> I’d start poking around System Preferences.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Zac,
>> 
>> The confusing bit is how / why the prompt changes.  I’ve just checked on my 
>> main (ML) partition, and this doesn’t happen.  it’s caused me no end of 
>> grief actually trying to get mysql running.  At least, I suspect it was that 
>> though I’m possibly wrong there.
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 26 Oct 2013, at 23:37, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I noticed it as well. Not sure why, it seems strange, but also pretty 
>>> obviously deliberate. Odd decision on Apple’s part.
>>> Best,
>>> Zack.
>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> evening all,
>>>> 
>>>> Here’s a strange one.  Under previous versions of OSX, the terminal prompt 
>>>> on my mac looked like:
>>>> 
>>>> DonalFitzpatricksMacbookPro:~dfitzpat$
>>>> 
>>>> which is all very normal.  However something very strange is happening 
>>>> under Mavericks.
>>>> 
>>>> If I run terminal, the prompt now looks like:
>>>> 
>>>> donalfiricksmbp:~
>>>> 
>>>> In other words my name and the type of machine is abbreviated.  There is 
>>>> an anomaly to this.  If I run terminal, then do a restart, terminal opens 
>>>> up on system boot up.  However, it opens up with the prompt:
>>>> 
>>>> DonalFitzpatricksMacbookPro:~$
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone know why this should be the case?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Dónal dfitzpat$
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Re: odd behaviour in Mavericks terminal

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Hi Zac,

The confusing bit is how / why the prompt changes.  I’ve just checked on my 
main (ML) partition, and this doesn’t happen.  it’s caused me no end of grief 
actually trying to get mysql running.  At least, I suspect it was that though 
I’m possibly wrong there.

Dónal
On 26 Oct 2013, at 23:37, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi,
> I noticed it as well. Not sure why, it seems strange, but also pretty 
> obviously deliberate. Odd decision on Apple’s part.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
>> evening all,
>> 
>> Here’s a strange one.  Under previous versions of OSX, the terminal prompt 
>> on my mac looked like:
>> 
>> DonalFitzpatricksMacbookPro:~dfitzpat$
>> 
>> which is all very normal.  However something very strange is happening under 
>> Mavericks.
>> 
>> If I run terminal, the prompt now looks like:
>> 
>> donalfiricksmbp:~
>> 
>> In other words my name and the type of machine is abbreviated.  There is an 
>> anomaly to this.  If I run terminal, then do a restart, terminal opens up on 
>> system boot up.  However, it opens up with the prompt:
>> 
>> DonalFitzpatricksMacbookPro:~$
>> 
>> Anyone know why this should be the case?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dónal dfitzpat$
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odd behaviour in Mavericks terminal

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

evening all,

Here’s a strange one.  Under previous versions of OSX, the terminal prompt on 
my mac looked like:

DonalFitzpatricksMacbookPro:~dfitzpat$

which is all very normal.  However something very strange is happening under 
Mavericks.

If I run terminal, the prompt now looks like:

donalfiricksmbp:~

In other words my name and the type of machine is abbreviated.  There is an 
anomaly to this.  If I run terminal, then do a restart, terminal opens up on 
system boot up.  However, it opens up with the prompt:

DonalFitzpatricksMacbookPro:~$

Anyone know why this should be the case?

Cheers,
Dónal dfitzpat$
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"night owl" twitter client user error or a bug?

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Hi all,


I wonder if the good old night-owl (YoruFukurou) is still under development as 
there hasn’t been an update in ages.  Anyways, has anyone else noticed that it 
won’t let you follow someone?

I’ve tried typing “follow (username)” a few times now and the tweet gets posted 
rather than the action requested being carried out.

Is there any half decent alternative?  I don’t like Syrinx at all.

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itunes audiobook issue solved

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Evening folks,


Turned out that the distortion experienced on audiobook playback was 
generalised.  On a hunch I check the EQ and it was both on, and set to small 
speakers.  Turning it off fixed the issue.  This may not affect anyone else but 
it might hence passing it on.


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audiobook playback in iTUnes: muffled sound?

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Hi folks,

Playing around with Mavericks here.  When listening to Audible books on iTunes, 
I’m noticing very distorted sound.  All other music and content is fine.  
Anyone else noticing this?

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changes to internet radio.

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Hi folks,

Just playing around with iTunes under Mavericks.  I wonder if people could 
check under the News section and confirm for me whether BBC radio4 and BBC 
5Live are gone?

Thanks much,

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iWork on IOS

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Hi folks,

Just to let  people know I’m hearing very very good reports of the new IOS 
iWOrk suite.  In particular, I hear Keynote is *very* accessible even in 
slideshow mode.  Will investigate further, but this *might* just be the excuse 
I need to go get a new i-thingie, or maybe even two! *smile*

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Re: iWork positive impressions

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Excellent Zac great to hear.
On 22 Oct 2013, at 22:40, Zachary Kline  wrote:

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> I wanted to write and say that thus far I’ve had very positive impressions of 
> the new iWork sweet for Mavericks. Tables work seamlessly in Pages, and the 
> whole system seems more friendly to VoiceOver. I’ve yet to try the other apps 
> in the sweet, but trust similar progress has been made.
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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

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there is absolutely nothing to be excited or enthusiastic about from the 
voiceover perspective in this release.  I've been using this thing since 
developer preview II and have lived in hope that things might improve.  Despite 
bugging lots not much has.  Also, many of the existing annoyances haven't been 
addressed.

I for one have no intention of putting it on any production machine for a long 
long time.

Dónal
On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:25, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new 
> iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been 
> addressed.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
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>> Are there any new voiceover features?
>> Original message:
>>> Hi All,
>> 
>>> Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it 
>>> is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That 
>>> being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade 
>>> for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the 
>>> accessibility testing process.
>>> While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they 
>>> are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest 
>>> just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before 
>>> committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that 
>>> might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in 
>>> the coming weeks.
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Re: good alternative to iTunes for ripping CDs

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Gina,

Will take a wee look at that CD eject problem.  Like yourself I just go to 
desktop and eject the CD.

Thanks for making me aware of this tool it's great.

Dónal
On 21 Oct 2013, at 09:38, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

> Hello Dónal,
> 
> You wrote:
> I prefer Homebrew because it installs everything into /local/library/Celar, 
> and then sym-links into /usr/local/bin.  this makes removing software much 
> easier than with macports.  
> 
> Thanks for your reply. I shall have to look at homebrew. However, disk space 
> isn't an issue so removal isn't a problem. Therefore, I haven't looked at it 
> thoroughly. But I understood Macports to install in /opt/local/…. and the 
> user's .profile adds the path varible. So I don't think that there would be 
> any dangling symlinks to be left on the system.
> 
> There's the issue of ejecting the CD when finished I haven't cracked to 
> satisfaction yet. We can use:
> 
> # drutil tray eject
> 
> But I'd rather abcde manages it as it does on GNU Linux.
> 
> Happy hacking!
> Gena
> PS:
> Apologies, for stray chars in my previous message. It was bounced so I copied 
> and pasted without realising it had == all over the place.
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Re: good alternative to iTunes for ripping CDs

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Esther (and others),

You're absolutely  spot on.  As far as I know the developer account required to 
get that XCode is free.  

If any problems arise with formulae feel free to let me know and I'll test 
and/or let the devs of Homebrew know.

Donal
On 21 Oct 2013, at 00:37, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Sarah,
> 
> You can find the information about installing Homebrew at their web site:
> http://brew.sh/
> 
> The default installation is simply to type or paste into the Terminal command 
> line the following:
> ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.github.com/mxcl/homebrew/go)"
> 
> Then you press return to have the command take effect.  However, there is a 
> slight issue that you should be aware of in using Homebrew.  Since it uses 
> the Terminal command line interface, you need to have the Xcode command line 
> tools installed for it to work.  Starting with Xcode version 4.3, the command 
> line tools were no longer installed by default, so you either have to 
> manually install them (after launching Xcode, use Command-comma to open the 
> preferences, and select the Downloads button in the toolbar; then in the 
> Components tab, "Command Line Tools" should be one of the items in the table, 
> and you can use the "Check and Install Now" button).  I don't remember 
> whether I had to check this individually, since I did this some time ago in 
> an older version of Xcode.
> 
> Alternatively, the Homebrew page says that you only need to install the 
> "Command Line Tools for Xcode", and gives a link to this package.  I haven't 
> used this, because this was an option that only became available after I'd 
> done the command line tool installation.
> 
> There is a gotcha with Dónal's recommendation to install the command line 
> tools for Xcode 4.6.3 (and also to using the line for the command line tools 
> for Xcode from the Homebrew page): you need to register as a developer in 
> order to access older versions of Xcode and the command line tools for Xcode. 
>  This is unless you already have an older version of Xcode or the command 
> line tools on your system, or in a backup.
> 
> Maybe Dónal can supply more information or corrections to what I've said.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Oct 20, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
> 
>> Hmm. since I'm using XCode what ever is now in the app store not sure if 
>> that will work or  not. Is home brew easy to install for a novice at the 
>> terminal? and will this tool that Georgina mentioned with with home brew as 
>> well as mac ports?
>> 
>> Take care and thanks.
>> On Oct 20, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Gina (and others)
>>> 
>>> That is an excellent summary.  Following on from my post concerning 
>>> HomeBrew last week I can confirm that ABCDE can be installed using this 
>>> package manager.  
>>> 
>>> For those not familiar with it, Homebrew is a way to install packages (for 
>>> example Php, wget, or indeed ABCDE) which unix command line users like and 
>>> which don't come as standard with the mac.  I prefer Homebrew because it 
>>> installs everything into /local/library/Celar, and then sym-links into 
>>> /usr/local/bin.  this makes removing software much easier than with 
>>> macports.  
>>> 
>>> The only issue when installing ABCDE using HomeBrew was that on one machine 
>>> (running XCode 5) it had difficulty installing one of the dependencies 
>>> because of a missing header file.  It is entirely possible this could arise 
>>> with MacPorts as well which is why I mention it here.  So my suggestion 
>>> would be that if anyone is thinking of installing this tool then to install 
>>> the command-line tools for XCode 4.6.3.
>>> 
>>> Hope this is of use,
>>> 
>>> Dónal
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Re: good alternative to iTunes for ripping CDs

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Gina (and others)

That is an excellent summary.  Following on from my post concerning HomeBrew 
last week I can confirm that ABCDE can be installed using this package manager. 
 

For those not familiar with it, Homebrew is a way to install packages (for 
example Php, wget, or indeed ABCDE) which unix command line users like and 
which don't come as standard with the mac.  I prefer Homebrew because it 
installs everything into /local/library/Celar, and then sym-links into 
/usr/local/bin.  this makes removing software much easier than with macports.  

The only issue when installing ABCDE using HomeBrew was that on one machine 
(running XCode 5) it had difficulty installing one of the dependencies because 
of a missing header file.  It is entirely possible this could arise with 
MacPorts as well which is why I mention it here.  So my suggestion would be 
that if anyone is thinking of installing this tool then to install the 
command-line tools for XCode 4.6.3.

Hope this is of use,

Dónal
On 20 Oct 2013, at 20:45, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

> Hello Lynnette,
> 
> In respect of this program. It is very easy. However, the more you want =
> to customise the more it is involved. There is one file that you need to =
> edit, if you wish to change anything from the defaults. It's as simple =
> as typing abcde.
> 
> To Install, providing you have Macports installed:
> # sudo port install abcde
> Put your CD in the drive and type:
> # abcde
> 
> This will put a full stop after the number of the track. It will create =
> a directory of the artist's name. Inside that directory, will be a sub =
> directory of the artist's name. Of the albumn. Being open source =
> software the default format is vorbis ogg. It is in q3 mode. All of this =
> is changeable within the abcde.conf file. It is very well commented =
> file. It can be edited within TextEdit. By default is found in =
> /opt/local/etc/abcde.conf.
> 
> It is better to leave that one alone and make a copy of it in your own =
> home directory. I then copy that one to a file called rip-ogg and =
> another called rip-mp3. I then edit both of those rip files with the =
> settings I desire for ogg and mp3 files. When I come to rip a disk to =
> mp3 I type:
> 
> # abcde -c rip-mp3
> 
> and for ogg:
> 
> # abcde -c rip-ogg.
> 
> I have kept the above very simple and such examples may need path =
> directives. If you put your customised files in a different place to =
> that you give the command.
> =20
> An example of the default might be from pwd (Present working directory)
> 
> Artist Name
> inside that
>   Album Name
> Inside that
> 01.Track_Name.ogg
> 
> The only problem I have found is ejecting the CD. I'm having to switch =
> to the desktop and ejecting from there.
> 
> If you wish to view a abcde.conf which is similar to the default:
> 
> =
> http://code.google.com/p/abcde/issues/attachmentText?id=3D1&aid=3D-1098436=
> 14078946506&name=3Dabcde.conf&token=3Da2f898087a0a3c9f37e4435b187e80c3
> 
> VO and Safari seem to take you through 69 numbered links before the =
> text. I think it is a method of editing that copy and saving it locally.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Gena
> Georgina Joyce
> Applied Psychologist
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Audiobook Builder CLI

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi all,

I've tried to find an answer to this one but can't.  Does Audiobook Builder 
have a command-line interface?  Failing this, is there anything that does have 
one, that performs the same task?

I have a couple of dozen books I want to convert so I'd prefer to use a simple 
script rather than messing around on a GUI.

Thanks,

Dónal
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Re: Moving and coppying files in Mountain Lion.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Jim,

I'd cheat here.  I'd make a directory outside the current one and copy the 
files there.  Once you're certain that's worked, I'd go back to the original 
place and then delete the files from that location.  Then I'd copy the newly 
created sub-directory back.  Once you're sure it's all there, you can delete it 
from the place where you copied it.

Of course this doesn't explain why deleting the files in the original location 
is causing them to disappear inside the new sub-directory.  This is cumbersome 
but might work.

Dónal
On 14 Oct 2013, at 22:18, Jim Noseworthy  
wrote:

> Andy:
> 
> Thanks for your post.  Yes, I am aware of that command and, actually, I've 
> tried both moving and coppying files but I had the same result.
> 
> Again, thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/14/2013 6:05 PM, Andy Collins wrote:
>> Just checking that you are aware that you need to use the keystroke Options 
>> Command v to actually move files, rather than copy them? -
>> 
>> Andy
>> On 14 Oct 2013, at 21:09, Jim Noseworthy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Gang:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps someone can help me out with a problem that I am having.
>>> 
>>> I am wanting to gather up some files and place them in a sub-directory 
>>> which I created in the directory from which I retreived the files.  When I 
>>> move the files in to the new sub-directory, I do see them there but they 
>>> are still listed outside that sub-directory as well.  So I said to myself, 
>>> Self! just delete the files which are out side of that sub-directory.  
>>> Trouble is, when I do that, the files are also removed from the 
>>> sub-directory.
>>> 
>>> I have no problem moving/copying files from one drive to another.
>>> 
>>> What am I doing wrong here?
>>> 
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Re: good alternative to iTunes for ripping CDs

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Gina,

Thanks for this.  HomeBrew is just another package manager.  in the same vein 
as Macports.

Dónal
On 13 Oct 2013, at 23:09, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Sorry, I don't understand. You install it by:
> 
> sudo port install abcde
> 
> Providing you have macports installed. I guess if you have a build env, you 
> can build from source.
> 
> It comes with a sample abcde.comf and you edit it as you wish. So by making 
> several copies with different configurations makes it easy to cater for 
> different situations.
> 
> Here's a sample of how the script is written.
> 
> 
> # be selected as '--preset standard --another-option' etc.
> LAMEOPTS='--preset extreme' 
> 
> # Output type for MP3.
> OUTPUTTYPE="mp3"
> 
> # The cd ripping program to use. There are a few choices here: cdda2wav,
> # dagrab, cddafs (Mac OS X only) and flac.
> CDROMREADERSYNTAX=cdparanoia
> 
> # Give the location of the ripping program and pass any extra options:
> CDPARANOIA=cdparanoia  
> CDPARANOIAOPTS="--never-skip=40"
> 
> # Give the location of the CD identification program:   
> CDDISCID=cd-discid
> 
> # Give the base location here for the encoded music files.
> OUTPUTDIR="$HOME/music/"   
> 
> # Decide here how you want the tracks labelled for a standard 'single-artist',
> # multi-track encode and also for a multi-track, 'various-artist' encode:
> OUTPUTFORMAT='${OUTPUT}/${ARTISTFILE}-${ALBUMFILE}/${TRACKNUM}.${TRACKFILE}'
> VAOUTPUTFORMAT='${OUTPUT}/Various-${ALBUMFILE}/${TRACKNUM}.${ARTISTFILE}-${TRACKFILE}'
> 
> HTH
> 
> Gena
> Georgina Joyce
> Applied Psychologist
> Training and Coaching.
> Because individuals of groups matter!
> 
> 
> On 13 Oct 2013, at 22:33, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Gina,
>> 
>> Do you know if this can be installed using Homebrew?  Also where does one 
>> get the customised scripts?
>> 
>> Many thanks for this it's perfect for what I need.  Give me command-line any 
>> day.
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 13 Oct 2013, at 19:43, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Gordon,
>>> 
>>> Although you want a lovely GUI interface. I would suggest that you look at 
>>> abcde. Which stands for a better cd encoder. It's a very light weight set 
>>> of scripts run from the terminal. Via Mac Ports. I used to have a couple of 
>>> the customised scripts and run them according to the job I wanted to do. 
>>> i.e. cd2mp3 or cd2ogg.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> Georgina Joyce
>>> Applied Psychologist
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>>> Because individuals of groups matter!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 13 Oct 2013, at 07:13, Gordon Smith  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Sarah
>>>> 
>>>> Neither of these are dedicated rippers though, so I don’t class them as 
>>>> alternatives.  XLD is a dedicated file converter and ripper, designed for 
>>>> audio and only audio.  What I personally am looking for is something which 
>>>> has a more XLD-like interface, a more XLD-like functionality specification 
>>>> but a more intuitive interface.  This is one of those sorry occasions 
>>>> where I curse myself for letting my programming skills slide.  I got lazy 
>>>> when the GUI came along and ever since then I have regretted it.  If only, 
>>>> if only, I’d continued when I started to study C and C+ all those years 
>>>> ago, I’d have been a master programmer by now and I would have been able 
>>>> to achieve my dream, of having a Mac Access dedicated suite of utilities 
>>>> to fit the bill.
>>>> 
>>>> In any event, the search goes on as far as I am concerned.  I would also 
>>>> add that I have been using Virtual CDRW from Burningthumb until recently 
>>>> but, for reasons which I cannot as yet discuss, it no longer works for me. 
>>>>  So I’m on the hunt for something else which might.  I tried Disk-Soft 
>>>> Demon Light, but OS X won’t even allow me to install the drivers.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> 
>>>> <--- Gordon Smith --->
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: good alternative to iTunes for ripping CDs

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Gina,

Do you know if this can be installed using Homebrew?  Also where does one get 
the customised scripts?

Many thanks for this it's perfect for what I need.  Give me command-line any 
day.

Dónal
On 13 Oct 2013, at 19:43, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

> Hello Gordon,
> 
> Although you want a lovely GUI interface. I would suggest that you look at 
> abcde. Which stands for a better cd encoder. It's a very light weight set of 
> scripts run from the terminal. Via Mac Ports. I used to have a couple of the 
> customised scripts and run them according to the job I wanted to do. i.e. 
> cd2mp3 or cd2ogg.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Gena
> Georgina Joyce
> Applied Psychologist
> Training and Coaching.
> Because individuals of groups matter!
> 
> 
> On 13 Oct 2013, at 07:13, Gordon Smith  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Sarah
>> 
>> Neither of these are dedicated rippers though, so I don’t class them as 
>> alternatives.  XLD is a dedicated file converter and ripper, designed for 
>> audio and only audio.  What I personally am looking for is something which 
>> has a more XLD-like interface, a more XLD-like functionality specification 
>> but a more intuitive interface.  This is one of those sorry occasions where 
>> I curse myself for letting my programming skills slide.  I got lazy when the 
>> GUI came along and ever since then I have regretted it.  If only, if only, 
>> I’d continued when I started to study C and C+ all those years ago, I’d have 
>> been a master programmer by now and I would have been able to achieve my 
>> dream, of having a Mac Access dedicated suite of utilities to fit the bill.
>> 
>> In any event, the search goes on as far as I am concerned.  I would also add 
>> that I have been using Virtual CDRW from Burningthumb until recently but, 
>> for reasons which I cannot as yet discuss, it no longer works for me.  So 
>> I’m on the hunt for something else which might.  I tried Disk-Soft Demon 
>> Light, but OS X won’t even allow me to install the drivers.
>> 
>> Kind regards
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>> On 12 Oct 2013, at 19:45, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>>> I know simply burns does rip, but it does not work in the way one would 
>>> want. I think it only rips an image of the media not the actual stuff.. 
>>> amadeus 2 I think also rips but I have not upgraded yet so cannot verify 
>>> this.
>>> 
>>> Take care.
>>> On Oct 12, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Gordon Smith  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> hi
>>>> This is something which I too would value for much the same reasons.  XLD 
>>>> certainly has its merrets, and I too avoid iTunes as far as ripping CDS 
>>>> goes.  This is despite the fact that my CD material is always virtual.  I 
>>>> only use real CD media as a very last resort.  Even with virtual media, 
>>>> however, XLD is painfully slow nowadays and the only indication of a 
>>>> successful rip is to enable 1logging mode, then you can at least verify 
>>>> that the job went error-free by examining the output log.  For reasons I 
>>>> cannot discuss here, I'm not currently even able to do this.  I can only 
>>>> hope for a quick fix as things develoeap.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Gordon
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: Dónal Fitzpatrick >>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>> Date sent: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 09:48:58 +0100
>>>> Subject: good alternative to iTunes for ripping CDs
>>>> 
>>>> Morning folks,
>>>> 
>>>> At present I use XLD to rip my CDs as I avoid iTunes like the plague.  
>>>> However one thing that irritates me about XLD is that you can't see the 
>>>> progress and consequently cannot be certain the CD

Re: iBooks For OSX?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Editions it is. Though be warned it's as flakey a piece of software as you'll 
find.  Don't try interacting with the main text area otherwise you'll cause VO 
to crash.

Dónal
On 13 Oct 2013, at 10:52, "David Griffith"  wrote:

> Adobe Digital Editions is the short answer I think.
> 
> David Griffith
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
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> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: iBooks For OSX?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Today I was searching the Apple store for the iBooks app, but didn't 
> find anything. The only thing I found, however, was iBooks Author.
> 
> How can I read ePub files on my Mac?
> 
> Thanks.
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good alternative to iTunes for ripping CDs

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Morning folks,

At present I use XLD to rip my CDs as I avoid iTunes like the plague.  However 
one thing that irritates me about XLD is that you can't see the progress and 
consequently cannot be certain the CD is ripping correctly.  So are there any 
good alternatives?  I'd ideally like something which enables ripping and 
storing of the converted tracks according to a naming convention.

Thoughts welcome,

Dónal
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Re: Seeking Help with XCode

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Jan,

No hurry at all.  Very much appreciated.

Dónal
On 11 Oct 2013, at 09:06, "Jan Blüher, visorApps"  
wrote:

> Hallo Ray, Dónal, Travis, and others,
> 
> I will write a little sample project for UI creation in iOS apps. Pleae give 
> me some days ...
> 
> Greetings
> 
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> Am 10.10.2013 um 22:17 schrieb Dónal Fitzpatrick :
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>> Hi there Jan,
>> 
>> This would be fantastic if you had the time. feel free to send off-list if 
>> you wish.  My very sincere thanks indeed for doing this.  I'm teaching a 
>> course in Human-Computer Interaction and it would be *really* useful to be 
>> able to knock up an interface quickly in code rather than messing around 
>> with interface builder.  Yes it can be done, but accomplishing this task is 
>> the coding equivalent of watching paint dry.  Now, back to Node.js for me 
>> for the evening!
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 10 Oct 2013, at 13:23, "Jan Blüher, visorApps" 
>>  wrote:
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>>> Hi Dónal,
>>> 
>>> would a little sample project with comments be the right material for you?
>>> 
>>> Greetings
>>> 
>>> Jan
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>>> ---
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>>> Am 10.10.2013 um 10:01 schrieb Dónal Fitzpatrick 
>>> :
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Re: Seeking Help with XCode

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi there Jan,

This would be fantastic if you had the time. feel free to send off-list if you 
wish.  My very sincere thanks indeed for doing this.  I'm teaching a course in 
Human-Computer Interaction and it would be *really* useful to be able to knock 
up an interface quickly in code rather than messing around with interface 
builder.  Yes it can be done, but accomplishing this task is the coding 
equivalent of watching paint dry.  Now, back to Node.js for me for the evening!

All the best,

Dónal
On 10 Oct 2013, at 13:23, "Jan Blüher, visorApps"  
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> Hi Dónal,
> 
> would a little sample project with comments be the right material for you?
> 
> Greetings
> 
> Jan
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Re: Seeking Help with XCode

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te hard work at the 
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

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Edit fields in IOS7 are flakey though.  In the IOS6 (and before) days, touching 
an edit field, whilst editing was ongoing, would only read it not set the focus 
to wherever in the field one happened to touch.  

Dónal
On 3 Oct 2013, at 16:30, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi Jane,
> This is weird. Dictation can be started by a two-finger double-tap, which is 
> in fact one of my favorite new little features. I’ve never ad problems with a 
> one-finger double tap.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Jane  wrote:
> 
>> Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. 
>> There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be a 
>> problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the 
>> microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching for 
>> books and putting them into the right colection tricky.
>> 
>> Jane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> 
>>> I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are 
>>> very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind 
>>> person.
>>> Best,
>>> Zack.
>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of 
>>>> voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but 
>>>> it is particularly noticeable here.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Lynne,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a 
>>>>> mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the 
>>>>> way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in 
>>>>> people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really 
>>>>> solve this one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of 
>>>>> accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of 
>>>>> switch-based access.  I’m not a user of these devices but word has it 
>>>>> that they’ve done this fairly well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dónal
>>>>>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and 
>>>>>> some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as 
>>>>>> for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just 
>>>>>> need to practice some of the jesters  until you can do them in your 
>>>>>> sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around 
>>>>>> anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tc.
>>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Lynn,
>>>>>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle 
>>>>>>> with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  
>>>>>>> IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play 
>>>>>>> around a lot with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new 
>>>>>>> OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it 
>>>>>>> unusable.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
>>>>>>> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Caitlyn
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello everybody
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not i

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Agreed Josh and I have the same device.  I also don’t like the VO behaviour in 
the lock-screen.
On 3 Oct 2013, at 15:03, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of 
> voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it 
> is particularly noticeable here.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Lynne,
>> 
>> Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a 
>> mediocre release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the 
>> way they have broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in people 
>> have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this 
>> one.
>> 
>> Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility 
>> for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access.  
>> I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this 
>> fairly well.
>> 
>> Dónal
>>> On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some 
>>> pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access 
>>> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice 
>>> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you 
>>> hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear 
>>> such a thing even in the key note in june.
>>> 
>>> Tc.
>>>> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Lynn,
>>>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>>>> 
>>>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with 
>>>> a few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>>>> 
>>>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 7 
>>>> does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot 
>>>> with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 
>>>> and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
>>>> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>>>> 
>>>> Caitlyn
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello everybody
>>>>> 
>>>>> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” 
>>>>> and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion 
>>>>> here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, 
>>>>> in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary 
>>>>> topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you 
>>>>> might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and 
>>>>> commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I 
>>>>> haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, 
>>>>> from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that 
>>>>> applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 
>>>>> have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to 
>>>>> light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I 
>>>>> would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and 
>>>>> now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can 
>>>>> reasonably expect.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that 
>>>>> there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, 
>>>>> iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the 
>>>>> release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model 
>>>>> and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were 
>>>>> the significant differences that you noticed?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But 
>>>>> I

Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Lynne,

Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you.   IOS7 is a mediocre 
release.  There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have 
broken interaction with Siri.  Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on 
this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one.

Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for 
blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access.  I’m not 
a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well.

Dónal
On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> I love ios7 and all its glory.  It's accessible with some quirks and some pas 
> crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access 
> issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice 
> some of the jesters  until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear 
> the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a 
> thing even in the key note in june.
> 
> Tc.
> On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Lynn,
>> Personally, I like IOS 7.
>> 
>> some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a 
>> few of them, but that's me and not the OS!
>> 
>> We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model.  IOS 7 
>> does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot 
>> with the older phones, either.  I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 
>> and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable.
>> 
>> I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can 
>> definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model.
>> 
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>> On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everybody
>>> 
>>> Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and 
>>> the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I 
>>> just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms 
>>> of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. 
>>> Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might 
>>> say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment 
>>> as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much 
>>> of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual 
>>> perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now 
>>> interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved 
>>> upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the 
>>> streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, 
>>> they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as 
>>> secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect.
>>> 
>>> I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that 
>>> there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, 
>>> iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release 
>>> of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has 
>>> noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the 
>>> significant differences that you noticed?
>>> 
>>> I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I 
>>> seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our 
>>> iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m 
>>> going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual 
>>> cameras would be nice, but not essential.
>>> 
>>> I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial 
>>> and productive discussion.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards
>>> 
>>> Lynne
>>> 
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creating Lion partition.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi all,

Ok this should be a trivial exercise but I’m doing something daft.  I have a 
mac running Mountain lion however I need to put Lion back onto it in such a way 
that it can be dual-booted.  The mac as one SSD which runs the main OS and a 
2TB HD which I will use as my Lion partition.

All sounds fine.  I’ve downloaded the Lion installer and gone through the 
package contents to the Shared Items folder and copied out the relevant DMG.  
I’ve run Disk Utility and gone through all steps which should in theory result 
in Lion being installed on the 2TB HD.  However, Disk Utility reports an error 
during this process which says that the disk I want to use cannot be unmounted.

I’m missing something ehre, but does anyone know a way around this?  The only 
reason I want Lion back on this thing is that the makers of Protools and/or 
Apple have broken accessibility in PT11 and I want to put PT10 on a Lion 
partition.  The things we have to do eh? *smile*

Thanks in advance,

Dónal
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Re: Has anyone used eclipse?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi,

Eclipse is flakey.  What language are you trying to program in?

Dónal
On 1 Oct 2013, at 15:19, Haghighi,Amin  wrote:

> I am looking for VO keyboardd commands  for mac eclipse IDE.
> Any info would be nice.
> 
> Thanks..
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Re: a friend of mine wants to get the old Siri back

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Will you'll be happy to here that you don't have to learn to speek 'merkan when 
the dialect is set that way on Siri.  I've asked the following questions:

1.  Who am I?
2.  Where am I?
3.  What team does Darron Gibson play for?
4.  Who was George Best?

In both cases the same correct responses came back.  This is totally 
unscientific but I don't have time to test any more.

Dónal
On 19 Sep 2013, at 15:37, William Lomas  wrote:

> can you test it to see if it works?
> i am not going around talking like an american lol
> seems silly
> surely the voice we want should work. is
> On 19 Sep 2013, at 15:19, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Carol,
>> 
>> You can change Siri's language independently of voiceover.  This gives you 
>> the new US voice.  I haven't tested extensively to ascertain how differently 
>> recognition works etc.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 19 Sep 2013, at 15:16, Carol Pearson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree, Daniel sounds not quite as good as he did before! Oh, so we missed 
>>> out on the new voice as well! I am sorry about this because I liked the 
>>> sound of her!
>>> 
>>> Carol P
>>> Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
>>> 
>>> On 19 Sep 2013, at 02:47 pm, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Worth noting that the new voice only seems to be a US one for now.  It's 
>>> still Daniel for UK english.  Incidentaly, Daniel sounds like he's got his 
>>> head buried in a pillow on IOS7!
>>> 
>>> Dónal
>>>> On 19 Sep 2013, at 14:31, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> OH same here. I love the voice and the personality seems more human if 
>>>> that makes sense.
>>>> 
>>>> Tc.
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 1:52 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, and I honestly think the  New one sounds better anyway.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 19 Sep 2013, at 04:13, "Paula Hobley" 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Brenda
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No, not to my knowledge. I think once you have updated the IOS, it is 
>>>>>> here
>>>>>> to stay.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Paula
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>>>>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>> meadowlar...@cox.net
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2013 3:41 PM
>>>>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>>>>> Subject: a friend of mine wants to get the old Siri back
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My friend and I updated to the newest operating system on our iPhone 5. 
>>>>>> My friend wants old Siri back. Is there a way to get her back?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Brenda
>>>>>> 
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Re: a friend of mine wants to get the old Siri back

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Carol,

You can change Siri's language independently of voiceover.  This gives you the 
new US voice.  I haven't tested extensively to ascertain how differently 
recognition works etc.

Cheers,

Dónal
On 19 Sep 2013, at 15:16, Carol Pearson  wrote:

> I agree, Daniel sounds not quite as good as he did before! Oh, so we missed 
> out on the new voice as well! I am sorry about this because I liked the sound 
> of her!
> 
> Carol P
> Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
> 
> On 19 Sep 2013, at 02:47 pm, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
> Worth noting that the new voice only seems to be a US one for now.  It's 
> still Daniel for UK english.  Incidentaly, Daniel sounds like he's got his 
> head buried in a pillow on IOS7!
> 
> Dónal
>> On 19 Sep 2013, at 14:31, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>> OH same here. I love the voice and the personality seems more human if that 
>> makes sense.
>> 
>> Tc.
>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 1:52 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, and I honestly think the  New one sounds better anyway.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 19 Sep 2013, at 04:13, "Paula Hobley" 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Brenda
>>>> 
>>>> No, not to my knowledge. I think once you have updated the IOS, it is here
>>>> to stay.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
>>>> Paula
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of 
>>>> meadowlar...@cox.net
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2013 3:41 PM
>>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>>> Subject: a friend of mine wants to get the old Siri back
>>>> 
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> 
>>>> My friend and I updated to the newest operating system on our iPhone 5. 
>>>> My friend wants old Siri back. Is there a way to get her back?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> 
>>>> Brenda
>>>> 
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Re: a friend of mine wants to get the old Siri back

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

difference isn't worth a damn.  Loads of us are complaining about it.
On 19 Sep 2013, at 14:50, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> LOL! Perhaps he did, that the compact voice, you've got to enable the 
> high-quality, it sounds better.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:47 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Worth noting that the new voice only seems to be a US one for now.  It's 
>> still Daniel for UK english.  Incidentaly, Daniel sounds like he's got his 
>> head buried in a pillow on IOS7!
>> 
>> Dónal
>>> On 19 Sep 2013, at 14:31, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OH same here. I love the voice and the personality seems more human if that 
>>> makes sense.
>>> 
>>> Tc.
>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 1:52 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No, and I honestly think the  New one sounds better anyway.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 19 Sep 2013, at 04:13, "Paula Hobley" 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Brenda
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, not to my knowledge. I think once you have updated the IOS, it is here
>>>>> to stay.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paula
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>>>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> meadowlar...@cox.net
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2013 3:41 PM
>>>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>>>> Subject: a friend of mine wants to get the old Siri back
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My friend and I updated to the newest operating system on our iPhone 5. 
>>>>> My friend wants old Siri back. Is there a way to get her back?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Brenda
>>>>> 
>>>>> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net 
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Re: Transmit FTP software on sale for half price ($17 new license or $9 for upgrade) in 24 hour sale

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People I’d wholeheartedly echo Esther’s sentiments.  Transmit is a fantastic 
app and if you need to transfer files at all, you should definitely buy it.

Dónal


On 17 Sep 2013, at 14:25, Esther  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> One of the best software solutions for FTP on the Mac is Transmit by Panic, 
> and they have almost never gone on sale.  They noticed that Transmit is now 
> 15 years old, and have put it very briefly on a 24 hour sale.  The discount 
> expires at 11:5- a.m. today PST (that's a little more than 5 and a half hours 
> from this post). 
> 
> Here's the Mac App Store link:
> • Transmit by Panic ($16.99 until 11:59 a.m. PST Tuesday, September 16, 2013)
> https://itunes.apple.com/app/transmit/id403388562?mt=12
> 
> They are also selling the updates from Transmit version 3 for half price, so 
> in case Travis or someone else has an old version, or using a really early 
> version of Mac OS X on their machines, here's the email link I got for non 
> Mac App Store purchases and updates:
> 
> http://elist.panic.com/t/y-l-ttihbl-urdukuldj-c/
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> Sorry for the late notice, but I've been traveling.  This is a really good 
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Re: Audio book binder

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Hi Paul,

This is interesting.  I'm also noticing issues with the books that Audiobook 
builder produces.  On the mac they seem to be correctly divided into chapters, 
however when transferred to the iPhone this information is lost resulting in 
very large (and long) parts of the book.

Thanks very much,

Dónal
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> Hello Donald, 
> I think audio book binder is free while you have to pay for audio book 
> builder. 
> 
> I have both installed and when I last tried it I found audio book builder 
> significantly harder to use and slower than audio book binder. 
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Re: Audio book binder

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

I've been following this thread with interest.  How does this compare to 
Audiobook Builder?

Dónal
On 11 Sep 2013, at 14:12, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> Actually one step you can shorten is to either press cmd b for bind or hit 
> the bind button all the way at the bottom of the window in the main dialogue.
> 
> Take care.
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>> Hello George, 
>> I get audio books from www.calibre.org.uk. the books come on memory sticks 
>> with each book comprising up to 120 MP3 files with names like 001034-001, 
>> 001034-002 and so on with each file containing about 10 minutes of audio. 
>> 
>> I first play the first MP3 files which announces the book title and author 
>> name. 
>> 
>> I then open audio book binder and enter the author name and book title. I 
>> then select the files tab and press the add button. that opens a dialogue 
>> enabling me to select all the MP3 files on the memory stick which get copied 
>> into the table when I press the open button. 
>> 
>> I then select all the files in the table and go to the chapters item in the 
>> audio book binder menu bar. I ensure that enable chapters is checked and 
>> then press the split files item. that doubles the number of files in the 
>> files table. I then go back to the chapters item in the menu bar and press 
>> the renumber item. that creates a separate chapter for each MP3 file. this 
>> has two benefits. First it enables me to more easily skip forwards and 
>> backwards by sensible amounts of time when reading the book on my iPod Nano. 
>> Second while the iPod Nano remembers my reading position you can mess this 
>> up by incorrect operation. Having a separate chapter for each MP3 file 
>> enables me to easily find my place in those circumstances. 
>> 
>> I finally go to the file menu and press the make audio book item. I choose 
>> the folder where I want the audio book saved. I then have to be patient 
>> while the audio book is built. 
>> 
>> I then play the completed audio book for a few seconds to get it into iTunes 
>> so that I can sync it with my iPod Nano 7. 
>> 
>> If it is a very long audio book I would create it as part 1 containing the 
>> first set of files and part 2 containing the second set of files. this is 
>> sometimes necessary as my iPod Nano does not cope with audio books longer 
>> than about 10 hours. 
>> 
>> Hope this helps...
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Re: iCloud and bookmarks.

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no I hoped that doing so on one device would trigger the removal on the others. 
 Seems not.
On 9 Sep 2013, at 16:51, Isaac Hebert  wrote:

> Did you delete them from you're other devices?
> 
> On 9/9/13, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:
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>> 
>> I have my bookmarks syncing over iCloud between all the macs and i-devices I
>> own.  I deleted a load of old bookmarks on my Macbook Pro but they are still
>> showing up as being present on other devices.   What am I doing wrong here?
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Re: iCloud and bookmarks.

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Yup tried that.

D
On 9 Sep 2013, at 16:51, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

> Have you tried turning off book marks on your ios device then turning it back 
> on? I find that often that helps to get things back in order.
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2013, at 8:46, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:
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>> 
>> I have my bookmarks syncing over iCloud between all the macs and i-devices I 
>> own.  I deleted a load of old bookmarks on my Macbook Pro but they are still 
>> showing up as being present on other devices.   What am I doing wrong here?
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iCloud and bookmarks.

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Hi all,

I’m having a day where I’m doing dumb things so be gentle!

I have my bookmarks syncing over iCloud between all the macs and i-devices I 
own.  I deleted a load of old bookmarks on my Macbook Pro but they are still 
showing up as being present on other devices.   What am I doing wrong here?

Cheers,

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Re: more on the favorites bar in apple mail

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This might have been asked before, but is there a way to remove things like 
inbox (etc) from the favourites bar?

Dónal
On 24 Aug 2013, at 17:39, Bryan Jones  wrote:

> Hi Sarah,
> 
> I feel your pain. The process of using VO drag and drop to add a mailbox 
> alias to the Favorites Bar really does seem to be hit-or-miss. Last week I 
> was able to use the old mouse-down / mouse-up method successfully, but this 
> morning that method failed so I tried the VO+comma method and, much to my 
> surprise, was able to successfully drop the alias on the favorites bar using 
> the VO+Shift+comma key to drop it to the left of an existing alias. Go 
> figure. I've got to believe there's some magic combination that works 
> reliably, but if there is it's beyond me. Maybe things will improve in 10.9. 
> :-)
> 
> BTW, I really like the Command+Control+Number key to quickly move messages to 
> a different mailbox.
> 
> Cheers,
> Bryan
> 
> On Aug 23, 2013, at 2:33 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> Ok. this is crazy. I've tried everything including restarting vo, mail,the 
>> computer, and other things but nothing has worked. I cannot using the old 
>> drag and drop method add a mailbox to my favorites. I did get this to work a 
>> few weeks ago but nothing to my knowledge changed. I made sure nothing was 
>> hidden and all windows were maximized. Any advice here? Here 
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adding Lion as a second OS

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Hi all,

I’m running a later version of OSX than Lion on a machine with two hard disks.  
On the second of these I wish to (as it were) retro-fit Lion and then dual 
boot.  Is this possible?  I have the Lion installer downloaded but when I run 
it, VO reports “no windows”.  Any thoughts welcome.

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Re: Protools 10

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Hi Chris,

No you misunderstand: I’ve been trawling the web and from my reading it seemed 
that the best setup for Protools 10 was under Lion. It was nothing you had 
intimated in your mail.

Dónal
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> Firstly, I don't know where you got the impression that PT 10 wouldn't work 
> on Mountain Lion.  It works, but just has some accessibility issues.  I'm a 
> very regular ProTools user, as I use it every day practically with me being a 
> local professional musician.  You're correct that there are issues with some 
> of the PT 11 plugins, although I don't exactly know in what way, being I've 
> not updated.  I'm still running ProTools 10 and am perfectly happy with it.  
> Granted, my main production machine is running Snowleopard, as Lion had a 
> few, though not many, accessibility issues, but then once we got to Mountain 
> Lion, believe me, in many ways, certain things became an baunified mess!  For 
> one thing, none of the counters read any longer, a lot of your configuration 
> values don't read any more such as obtaining your session's tempo, etc.  For 
> someone like me who's a die hard audio engineer, these are things I cannot 
> live without.  I guess it really depends on your workflow. If you don't think 
> you're going to need access to those things, then ok, but for me, that's 
> enough of a deal breaker, where until Avid gets their stuff more together, 
> and I truely see a change, I'm not taking the plunge to V11, case closed.  
> But ultimately, just to clarify, I didn't say PT 10 nor 11 worked well on 
> Mountain Lion, but yes, they will work in general, and... lquite well... if 
> you're either sighted, or low vision and can use screen magnification.  With 
> Voiceover alone though, it's very cut and dry touch and go.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dónal Fitzpatrick" 
> 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 4:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Protools 10
> 
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I was under the impression that PT10 couldn't run under Mountain lion.  Is 
> this the case?  Also I thought that many of the PT11 plugins weren't 
> accessible.
> 
> Thanks for the info,
> 
> Dónal
> On 11 Aug 2013, at 16:30, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:
> 
>> You can run ProTools on Mountain Lion, don't get me wrong.  It's just that 
>> there are many accessibility issues that you'll probably encounter along the 
>> way.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Dónal Fitzpatrick" 
>> 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 8:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: Protools 10
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers for that Chris.  Next step now is to try and go back from Mountain 
>> Lion to Lion on one of my machines just to run this damn thing.  i have an 
>> iMac with two HDs so I think I'll try and duel boot for now.
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 11 Aug 2013, at 12:47, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:
>> 
>>> For now, if you buy PT 11, it will come with PT 10 as well.  The simple 
>>> reason is because there are some plugins which are not yet compatible with 
>>> ProTools 11.  Yes, you can run version 10 and 11 along side each other. 
>>> Quite honestly, I think that Avid is doing a very sloppy job of 
>>> development, especially doing it this way, but whatever.  It's obvious my 
>>> voice isn't being heard, and though Slau Haliton has spoken with them many 
>>> times about accessibility, etc. and they promise things to get better, 
>>> don't get me started on this rant rave or we'll be here all day, but 
>>> frankly, I kind of wonder about them... them being Avid... at times.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Dónal Fitzpatrick" 
>>> 
>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 4:02 AM
>>> Subject: Protools 10
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Morning folks,
>>> 
>>> Very quick question.  Does anyone know whether it is possible to purchase a 
>>> copy of Protools 10 now that they've gone to 11?  I'm not seeing a link on 
>>> the product website.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Dónal
>>> Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick,
>>> School of Computing,
>>> Dublin City University,
>>> Glasnevin,
>>> Dublin 9, Ireland
>>> Tel. +353-(0)1-700-8929
>>

Re: Protools 10

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Chris,

I was under the impression that PT10 couldn't run under Mountain lion.  Is this 
the case?  Also I thought that many of the PT11 plugins weren't accessible.

Thanks for the info,

Dónal
On 11 Aug 2013, at 16:30, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:

> You can run ProTools on Mountain Lion, don't get me wrong.  It's just that 
> there are many accessibility issues that you'll probably encounter along the 
> way.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dónal Fitzpatrick" 
> 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Protools 10
> 
> 
> Cheers for that Chris.  Next step now is to try and go back from Mountain 
> Lion to Lion on one of my machines just to run this damn thing.  i have an 
> iMac with two HDs so I think I'll try and duel boot for now.
> 
> Dónal
> On 11 Aug 2013, at 12:47, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:
> 
>> For now, if you buy PT 11, it will come with PT 10 as well.  The simple 
>> reason is because there are some plugins which are not yet compatible with 
>> ProTools 11.  Yes, you can run version 10 and 11 along side each other. 
>> Quite honestly, I think that Avid is doing a very sloppy job of development, 
>> especially doing it this way, but whatever.  It's obvious my voice isn't 
>> being heard, and though Slau Haliton has spoken with them many times about 
>> accessibility, etc. and they promise things to get better, don't get me 
>> started on this rant rave or we'll be here all day, but frankly, I kind of 
>> wonder about them... them being Avid... at times.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Dónal Fitzpatrick" 
>> 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 4:02 AM
>> Subject: Protools 10
>> 
>> 
>> Morning folks,
>> 
>> Very quick question.  Does anyone know whether it is possible to purchase a 
>> copy of Protools 10 now that they've gone to 11?  I'm not seeing a link on 
>> the product website.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Dónal
>> Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick,
>> School of Computing,
>> Dublin City University,
>> Glasnevin,
>> Dublin 9, Ireland
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Re: Protools 10

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Cheers for that Chris.  Next step now is to try and go back from Mountain Lion 
to Lion on one of my machines just to run this damn thing.  i have an iMac with 
two HDs so I think I'll try and duel boot for now.

Dónal
On 11 Aug 2013, at 12:47, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:

> For now, if you buy PT 11, it will come with PT 10 as well.  The simple 
> reason is because there are some plugins which are not yet compatible with 
> ProTools 11.  Yes, you can run version 10 and 11 along side each other. Quite 
> honestly, I think that Avid is doing a very sloppy job of development, 
> especially doing it this way, but whatever.  It's obvious my voice isn't 
> being heard, and though Slau Haliton has spoken with them many times about 
> accessibility, etc. and they promise things to get better, don't get me 
> started on this rant rave or we'll be here all day, but frankly, I kind of 
> wonder about them... them being Avid... at times.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dónal Fitzpatrick" 
> 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 4:02 AM
> Subject: Protools 10
> 
> 
> Morning folks,
> 
> Very quick question.  Does anyone know whether it is possible to purchase a 
> copy of Protools 10 now that they've gone to 11?  I'm not seeing a link on 
> the product website.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dónal
> Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick,
> School of Computing,
> Dublin City University,
> Glasnevin,
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Re: Protools 10

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Not sure they ship internationally but thanks John.
On 10 Aug 2013, at 12:46, John Gunn  wrote:

> Go to tigerdirect.com
> 
> 
> On Aug 10, 2013, at 3:02 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
>> Morning folks,
>> 
>> Very quick question.  Does anyone know whether it is possible to purchase a 
>> copy of Protools 10 now that they've gone to 11?  I'm not seeing a link on 
>> the product website.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Dónal
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Re: quicknav won't activate.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Candie,

I had actually tried all those suggestions and you're absolutely spot on they 
do usually work.  However in this instance it was something to do with an 
HTMl-based log on window for a hotel WIFI network.  Once I logged on and closed 
the resulting home page, it resolved itself.

Dónal
On 10 Aug 2013, at 11:29, Candie Stiles  wrote:

> Have you tried turning voice over off and back on again with command f5? This 
> usually works to fix those kind of issues. Also, If your computer has been 
> left on over a long period of time, you may need to restart.
> On Aug 9, 2013, at 12:16 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
>> hi folks,
>> 
>> An odd thing has arisen.  Quicknav will not turn on or off when I press left 
>> and right arrows.  Also, when I do turn it on using the VO commands list, 
>> when I press any of the arrow keys nothing happens I just get the dull 
>> "thud" sound VO makes.  Also, in textedit, the up and down arrows don't seem 
>> to be behaving normally but I can't isolate what they're actually doing.  
>> Anyone any ideas how to fix this?
>> 
>> Note that the arrows themselves, when used with VO are working fine.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Dónal
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Protools 10

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Morning folks,

Very quick question.  Does anyone know whether it is possible to purchase a 
copy of Protools 10 now that they've gone to 11?  I'm not seeing a link on the 
product website.

Cheers,

Dónal
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ignore mail re. quicknav.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Folks,

Don't ask me why this is the case because i've no idea.  HOwever the issue 
seems to be the presence on screen of a window resulting from my having joined 
a hotel wifi network.  When I got rid of that, everything worked.  As our 
American friends would say, "go figure".

Best,

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quicknav won't activate.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

hi folks,

An odd thing has arisen.  Quicknav will not turn on or off when I press left 
and right arrows.  Also, when I do turn it on using the VO commands list, when 
I press any of the arrow keys nothing happens I just get the dull "thud" sound 
VO makes.  Also, in textedit, the up and down arrows don't seem to be behaving 
normally but I can't isolate what they're actually doing.  Anyone any ideas how 
to fix this?

Note that the arrows themselves, when used with VO are working fine.

Thanks in advance,

Dónal
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Re: pro audio editing on mac.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

I wouldn't hold your breath :-)

Dónal
On 7 Aug 2013, at 17:54, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> lol.It takes a lot of patience and a good ear.¬ The only thing I cannot do 
> with gb is midi work because, first my midi controller died, and second,  the 
> midi editors not even accessible in garage band. I want it to be so I can do 
> what my sound engineer does by my self. such as decays, releaces, dynamics, 
> note fixing etc. One day perhaps.
> 
> Tc and be blessed.
> On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:38 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Sarah,
>> 
>> Well actually, given the quality of the work you produce (I've heard plenty 
>> of the podcasts) if you use Garage band and Amadeus, then that says enough 
>> for me.  The kind of thing I want to do is some post production on CDs and 
>> the like so I might just give Garage Band and Amadeus a whirl (given I 
>> already own them anyway) and see where it takes me.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 7 Aug 2013, at 17:30, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>>> lol. I myself use garage band for my pro editing. It of corse is not as 
>>> good in term of pro tools, how ever I can get my editing done since I 
>>> cannot afford studio time right now and with a good ear and a lot of 
>>> patience, more patience then a good ear, I can make things sound very very 
>>> very good.  People think I use protools. lol! and for my voice over work I 
>>> do for people I do use amadeus pro for my pro editing. I realize that's now 
>>>  what you wanted to hear, but it does do the job quite literally for me. 
>>> 
>>> Tc and be blessed.
>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:17 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm going to try to write an optimistic post but I sense it's not going to 
>>>> happen :-)
>>>> 
>>>> I've been given a present by a mate of mine of an Apogee Duet 2.  It's one 
>>>> of these long-term loan things.  Now the only audio editor I have is 
>>>> Amadeus.  I'd like to purchase something a bit better.  You see, this is 
>>>> all good right?
>>>> 
>>>> HEre's the bad bit though.  It seems Logic Pro X isn't entirely 
>>>> accessible.  Apple Accessibility, in a departure from recent form, 
>>>> actually sent me an email that seemed to have some human creativity in it. 
>>>>  They tell me that there will be a VPAT for Logic Pro X available soon. 
>>>> Protools 11 has regressed in terms of accessibility (or so I've heard) and 
>>>> version 10 requires Lion.  I don't have a machine running Lion so that 
>>>> screws that one up.  So does anyone have other ideas?  There's always 
>>>> Garage band but let's face it that's not really in the same league.
>>>> 
>>>> Thoughts welcome.
>>>> 
>>>> Dónal
>>>> Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick,
>>>> School of Computing, 
>>>> Dublin City University,
>>>> Glasnevin, 
>>>> Dublin 9, Ireland
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Re: pro audio editing on mac.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Sarah,

Well actually, given the quality of the work you produce (I've heard plenty of 
the podcasts) if you use Garage band and Amadeus, then that says enough for me. 
 The kind of thing I want to do is some post production on CDs and the like so 
I might just give Garage Band and Amadeus a whirl (given I already own them 
anyway) and see where it takes me.

Cheers,

Dónal
On 7 Aug 2013, at 17:30, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> lol. I myself use garage band for my pro editing. It of corse is not as good 
> in term of pro tools, how ever I can get my editing done since I cannot 
> afford studio time right now and with a good ear and a lot of patience, more 
> patience then a good ear, I can make things sound very very very good.  
> People think I use protools. lol! and for my voice over work I do for people 
> I do use amadeus pro for my pro editing. I realize that's now  what you 
> wanted to hear, but it does do the job quite literally for me. 
> 
> Tc and be blessed.
> On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:17 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> I'm going to try to write an optimistic post but I sense it's not going to 
>> happen :-)
>> 
>> I've been given a present by a mate of mine of an Apogee Duet 2.  It's one 
>> of these long-term loan things.  Now the only audio editor I have is 
>> Amadeus.  I'd like to purchase something a bit better.  You see, this is all 
>> good right?
>> 
>> HEre's the bad bit though.  It seems Logic Pro X isn't entirely accessible.  
>> Apple Accessibility, in a departure from recent form, actually sent me an 
>> email that seemed to have some human creativity in it.  They tell me that 
>> there will be a VPAT for Logic Pro X available soon. Protools 11 has 
>> regressed in terms of accessibility (or so I've heard) and version 10 
>> requires Lion.  I don't have a machine running Lion so that screws that one 
>> up.  So does anyone have other ideas?  There's always Garage band but let's 
>> face it that's not really in the same league.
>> 
>> Thoughts welcome.
>> 
>> Dónal
>> Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick,
>> School of Computing, 
>> Dublin City University,
>> Glasnevin, 
>> Dublin 9, Ireland
>> Tel. +353-(0)1-700-8929
>> fax: +353-(0)1-700-5442
>> email: dfitzpat (at) computing.dcu.ie
>> 
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