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Hi I should make the point that although the operating system is now public, what went on in the test phase is very much still non-public. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- Information Technology Accessibility Consultant gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 Or: +44 1642 941776 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Australasia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 23 Oct 2013, at 01:19, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack. I too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest. As I recall, there was even one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, that was so broken, it didn't even boot. Anyway... yeah. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it could. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: thanks zack, are you using the new update? On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something
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Gordon, if you'd rather me write you about this off list on the support address instead, I'll be happy to refrane further from doing so on here, but just one extremely quick question about those books: What format are they in? Are they EPub? Would I use something like IBooks, or Stanza to read them, or how exactly would that work? Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:59 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi Esther Yes, these books are certainly available from us. We haven’t had the opportunity to update the catalogue yet, but that is on my list of things to do for the next couple of days. In the interim, if you’d like the books, by all means come to us with your request. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- Information Technology Accessibility Consultant gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 Or: +44 1642 941776 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Australasia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 23 Oct 2013, at 00:17, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: Bryan, That's great news. Does this work the same way it used to? By that I mean that you can use this to navigate threads (conversations) as well as your entire mailbox to go to the first or last message, by holding down the Option+Up or Down arrow key for a short time. And is it also worth mentioning that there are new Take Control series eBooks for Upgrading to Mavericks, and for using iBooks, although I haven't seen the contents yet? These should be eligible for purchase using the discount that is available to mac-access list subscribers. To remind list members, there is information about this at: http://www.mac-access.net/Take-Control.html Note that the titles I mentioned are very recently announced additions that are not yet listed in the local accessible version of the Take Control catalog. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 22, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the ability to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message rows in Mavericks’ Mail.app ;-) -Bryan --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http
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Gordon, With the utmost of respect, why would that be non-public if you don't mind me asking? I could see it being so during the testing phaise, but it's been released at this point, the things that went on in testing are things in the past. It would be like someone dies on the operating table. While alive, due to HIPA, you couldn't disclose any info about the patient if you were a medical specialist, but once they die, and you have their death cirtifiquet, who cares at that point. They're dead! It's not like saying anything medical about them would really per sé change anything. They're no longer here on earth, so regardless your spiritual or religious belief, the bottom line is, they're not on earth. That we can't argue. You can't change something private that is only of the past. OK, that was kind of an insinsitive point, and I apologize for that, I realize that, but I hope that it truthly makes my point. If there is something I don't get, then let me know, by all means, and I'll refrane from further testing discussion, but I'm totally baffeled. Why would that be still on NDA. Mavericks is out. O, K, anything still! being developed in the present with Mavericks is one thing, that, I could see being on NDA, but as far as the section of part that went on prior, to the official release, I don't see where that couldn't be discussed at this point. I mean, you're the mod. If you say no discussion, no means no, but I mean... no offense... really though? Again, quite obviously, I mean this with profuse all due respect, and absolutely no illed feelings are intended in this message toward you, Lynn, the list, nor Apple. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:01 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi I should make the point that although the operating system is now public, what went on in the test phase is very much still non-public. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- Information Technology Accessibility Consultant gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 Or: +44 1642 941776 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Australasia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 23 Oct 2013, at 01:19, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack. I too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest. As I recall, there was even one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, that was so broken, it didn't even boot. Anyway... yeah. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it could. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: thanks zack, are you using the new update? On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just
Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
Hi Zach, Yes, I too have adjusted to using the VO+Shift+Home/End keystroke to move to top or bottom row ever since Apple removed the Option+up/down keystroke when they released Lion Mail. The Option+up/down arrow keystroke has remained available in Finder but has been missing in both Lion ML Mail. The minor annoyance for me, as a frequent user of classic view in mail and list view in Finder, is that the VO keystroke actually moves between the first column of the first row and the last column of the last row, thus requiring additional VO+left/right keystrokes to get back to my desired column, whereas the Option+up/down keystroke leaves focus in the current column while moving to top or bottom. Cheers, Bryan On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Seems a strange bug to creep i, and even stranger to be removed. Ahw ell, I just use VO commands. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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Hey guys, is updating to the Mavericks OS 10.9 hard? How long on average did it take you. I'm just curious before I actually do it. Thanks Laurel On Oct 24, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: Hi Zach, Yes, I too have adjusted to using the VO+Shift+Home/End keystroke to move to top or bottom row ever since Apple removed the Option+up/down keystroke when they released Lion Mail. The Option+up/down arrow keystroke has remained available in Finder but has been missing in both Lion ML Mail. The minor annoyance for me, as a frequent user of classic view in mail and list view in Finder, is that the VO keystroke actually moves between the first column of the first row and the last column of the last row, thus requiring additional VO+left/right keystrokes to get back to my desired column, whereas the Option+up/down keystroke leaves focus in the current column while moving to top or bottom. Cheers, Bryan On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Seems a strange bug to creep i, and even stranger to be removed. Ahw ell, I just use VO commands. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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First off,it is worth noting that unlike previous updates, this update is free. It took me about… Perhaps an hour and a half once I downloaded and installed everything, it's not hard, it downloads an application that will walk you through it. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, is updating to the Mavericks OS 10.9 hard? How long on average did it take you. I'm just curious before I actually do it. Thanks Laurel On Oct 24, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: Hi Zach, Yes, I too have adjusted to using the VO+Shift+Home/End keystroke to move to top or bottom row ever since Apple removed the Option+up/down keystroke when they released Lion Mail. The Option+up/down arrow keystroke has remained available in Finder but has been missing in both Lion ML Mail. The minor annoyance for me, as a frequent user of classic view in mail and list view in Finder, is that the VO keystroke actually moves between the first column of the first row and the last column of the last row, thus requiring additional VO+left/right keystrokes to get back to my desired column, whereas the Option+up/down keystroke leaves focus in the current column while moving to top or bottom. Cheers, Bryan On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Seems a strange bug to creep i, and even stranger to be removed. Ahw ell, I just use VO commands. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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Is it necessary to back the computer up to the Time Machine in case the Mavericks assistant does not work first before you start the install? Laurel and Stockard On Oct 24, 2013, at 14:15, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: First off,it is worth noting that unlike previous updates, this update is free. It took me about… Perhaps an hour and a half once I downloaded and installed everything, it's not hard, it downloads an application that will walk you through it. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, is updating to the Mavericks OS 10.9 hard? How long on average did it take you. I'm just curious before I actually do it. Thanks Laurel On Oct 24, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: Hi Zach, Yes, I too have adjusted to using the VO+Shift+Home/End keystroke to move to top or bottom row ever since Apple removed the Option+up/down keystroke when they released Lion Mail. The Option+up/down arrow keystroke has remained available in Finder but has been missing in both Lion ML Mail. The minor annoyance for me, as a frequent user of classic view in mail and list view in Finder, is that the VO keystroke actually moves between the first column of the first row and the last column of the last row, thus requiring additional VO+left/right keystrokes to get back to my desired column, whereas the Option+up/down keystroke leaves focus in the current column while moving to top or bottom. Cheers, Bryan On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Seems a strange bug to creep i, and even stranger to be removed. Ahw ell, I just use VO commands. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive:
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Yes, you should always, always perform backups. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Laurel And Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Is it necessary to back the computer up to the Time Machine in case the Mavericks assistant does not work first before you start the install? Laurel and Stockard On Oct 24, 2013, at 14:15, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: First off,it is worth noting that unlike previous updates, this update is free. It took me about… Perhaps an hour and a half once I downloaded and installed everything, it's not hard, it downloads an application that will walk you through it. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, is updating to the Mavericks OS 10.9 hard? How long on average did it take you. I'm just curious before I actually do it. Thanks Laurel On Oct 24, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: Hi Zach, Yes, I too have adjusted to using the VO+Shift+Home/End keystroke to move to top or bottom row ever since Apple removed the Option+up/down keystroke when they released Lion Mail. The Option+up/down arrow keystroke has remained available in Finder but has been missing in both Lion ML Mail. The minor annoyance for me, as a frequent user of classic view in mail and list view in Finder, is that the VO keystroke actually moves between the first column of the first row and the last column of the last row, thus requiring additional VO+left/right keystrokes to get back to my desired column, whereas the Option+up/down keystroke leaves focus in the current column while moving to top or bottom. Cheers, Bryan On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Seems a strange bug to creep i, and even stranger to be removed. Ahw ell, I just use VO commands. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to
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Hi thanks for the heads up, please keep us updated when the system is suitable for voice over users to upgrade to. Ian McNamara --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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Updating my mac now and already have seen two incompatible updates so they must be for Mavericks only. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 23/10/2013 02:36, Linda C. Knight wrote: I am wondering if I need to update to the mavricks? Is it necessary? WouIf I don't update to Mavricks, would this interfere with updates to Mountain Lion? Or, will there be updates to Mountain Lion. Being a new mac user, I would appreciate any tips on this. Thanks. Hugs and 73 Linda C. Knight shirley CallSign: kk4hrg Please note email: l...@tampabay.rr.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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If you don't really use iBooks I think it is, a couple weird things here and there but I guess that is to be expected. Certainly not as bad as iOS 7 Imo Sent from my iPhone On Oct 23, 2013, at 2:01 AM, Ian McNamara ianmcnamar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi thanks for the heads up, please keep us updated when the system is suitable for voice over users to upgrade to. Ian McNamara --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Mavericks and Mail, was: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
Hi Chris, There is an image that vo announces which is the unreread tag. I will say is that the number of messages in a conversation is no longer being announced. Anyone else seeing this? Thanks. matthew dyer sent from my 27 inch iMac. facebook, facetime and iMessage: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com Skype: graduater2004 On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: One thing about Mail I'm noticing that I, can, not, stand! that has been this way since the Gold Master is Voiceover isn't seeming to report any longer that messages are read, or unread. Maybe I did something to turn it off, but I'm not aware of anything. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the ability to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message rows in Mavericks’ Mail.app ;-) -Bryan --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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I cannot duplicate any use at all for Option Up or Down Arrow in the message list. What am I missing? Is this only in classic view? I have not checked there. On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: Bryan, That's great news. Does this work the same way it used to? By that I mean that you can use this to navigate threads (conversations) as well as your entire mailbox to go to the first or last message, by holding down the Option+Up or Down arrow key for a short time. And is it also worth mentioning that there are new Take Control series eBooks for Upgrading to Mavericks, and for using iBooks, although I haven't seen the contents yet? These should be eligible for purchase using the discount that is available to mac-access list subscribers. To remind list members, there is information about this at: http://www.mac-access.net/Take-Control.html Note that the titles I mentioned are very recently announced additions that are not yet listed in the local accessible version of the Take Control catalog. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 22, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the ability to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message rows in Mavericks’ Mail.app ;-) -Bryan --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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Hi Jeff — This works for me as described in both classic standard views. Option+up or down arrow moves to top or bottom row of current column in current message list. I am running a pre-release version of Mavericks, so there’s a chance the folks at Apple removed this ability in the public release. Do you get any type of response when pressing Option+up or down? Does it make an error sound? Does it move one row? -Bryan On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Geoff Stephens geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote: I cannot duplicate any use at all for Option Up or Down Arrow in the message list. What am I missing? Is this only in classic view? I have not checked there. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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I also can confirm in the official release that this doesn't seem to be working. I tried both with classic view on and also with it off. I get no response. Complete zilch. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:21 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi Jeff — This works for me as described in both classic standard views. Option+up or down arrow moves to top or bottom row of current column in current message list. I am running a pre-release version of Mavericks, so there’s a chance the folks at Apple removed this ability in the public release. Do you get any type of response when pressing Option+up or down? Does it make an error sound? Does it move one row? -Bryan On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Geoff Stephens geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote: I cannot duplicate any use at all for Option Up or Down Arrow in the message list. What am I missing? Is this only in classic view? I have not checked there. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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Seems a strange bug to creep i, and even stranger to be removed. Ahw ell, I just use VO commands. Best, Zack. On Oct 23, 2013, at 8:26 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I also can confirm in the official release that this doesn't seem to be working. I tried both with classic view on and also with it off. I get no response. Complete zilch. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:21 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi Jeff — This works for me as described in both classic standard views. Option+up or down arrow moves to top or bottom row of current column in current message list. I am running a pre-release version of Mavericks, so there’s a chance the folks at Apple removed this ability in the public release. Do you get any type of response when pressing Option+up or down? Does it make an error sound? Does it move one row? -Bryan On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Geoff Stephens geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote: I cannot duplicate any use at all for Option Up or Down Arrow in the message list. What am I missing? Is this only in classic view? I have not checked there. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
hey, i do know that VO now has language support witch means that some voices will read a german word in an english paragraph. On 23/10/2013, at 7:20 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
thanks zack, are you using the new update? On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should
Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it could. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: thanks zack, are you using the new update? On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail
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there is absolutely nothing to be excited or enthusiastic about from the voiceover perspective in this release. I've been using this thing since developer preview II and have lived in hope that things might improve. Despite bugging lots not much has. Also, many of the existing annoyances haven't been addressed. I for one have no intention of putting it on any production machine for a long long time. Dónal On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:25, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick, School of Computing, Dublin City University, Glasnevin, Dublin 9, Ireland Tel. +353-(0)1-700-8929 fax: +353-(0)1-700-5442 email: dfitzpat (at) computing.dcu.ie Email Disclaimer This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for use by the addressee. Any unauthorised dissemination, distribution or copying of this message and any attachments
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i see, thanks for letting me know. i'm so glad it's free, as it should be because the IOS update was. Michael On 23/10/2013, at 7:41 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it could. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: thanks zack, are you using the new update? On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an
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After waiting about 45 minutes for it to install, and additionally a little startled when it restarted and said completing installation, it's now done. I'll be interested to see what this has. Okay, optimizing your Mac? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: there is absolutely nothing to be excited or enthusiastic about from the voiceover perspective in this release. I've been using this thing since developer preview II and have lived in hope that things might improve. Despite bugging lots not much has. Also, many of the existing annoyances haven't been addressed. I for one have no intention of putting it on any production machine for a long long time. Dónal On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:25, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick, School of Computing, Dublin City
Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the ability to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message rows in Mavericks’ Mail.app ;-) -Bryan --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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Bryan, That's great news. Does this work the same way it used to? By that I mean that you can use this to navigate threads (conversations) as well as your entire mailbox to go to the first or last message, by holding down the Option+Up or Down arrow key for a short time. And is it also worth mentioning that there are new Take Control series eBooks for Upgrading to Mavericks, and for using iBooks, although I haven't seen the contents yet? These should be eligible for purchase using the discount that is available to mac-access list subscribers. To remind list members, there is information about this at: http://www.mac-access.net/Take-Control.html Note that the titles I mentioned are very recently announced additions that are not yet listed in the local accessible version of the Take Control catalog. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 22, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the ability to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message rows in Mavericks’ Mail.app ;-) -Bryan --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack. I too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest. As I recall, there was even one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, that was so broken, it didn't even boot. Anyway... yeah. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it could. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: thanks zack, are you using the new update? On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm
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Yeah, optymizing your Mac... basically, it's just getting things together. Ya know, resyncing your ICloud, and all that type stuff. Don't worry about it. You're ok. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:55 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit After waiting about 45 minutes for it to install, and additionally a little startled when it restarted and said completing installation, it's now done. I'll be interested to see what this has. Okay, optimizing your Mac? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: there is absolutely nothing to be excited or enthusiastic about from the voiceover perspective in this release. I've been using this thing since developer preview II and have lived in hope that things might improve. Despite bugging lots not much has. Also, many of the existing annoyances haven't been addressed. I for one have no intention of putting it on any production machine for a long long time. Dónal On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:25, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml
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One thing about Mail I'm noticing that I, can, not, stand! that has been this way since the Gold Master is Voiceover isn't seeming to report any longer that messages are read, or unread. Maybe I did something to turn it off, but I'm not aware of anything. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the ability to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message rows in Mavericks’ Mail.app ;-) -Bryan --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
Hi Chris, I don't remember that one.:-) but yeah, the point still stands, wait a little bit. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack. I too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest. As I recall, there was even one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, that was so broken, it didn't even boot. Anyway... yeah. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it could. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: thanks zack, are you using the new update? On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com
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Has anybody noticed that text edit seems to lose focus easily in documents? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack. I too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest. As I recall, there was even one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, that was so broken, it didn't even boot. Anyway... yeah. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it could. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: thanks zack, are you using the new update? On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac
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Thanks I appreciate that. What's up with all the bright, crisp, no faces thingies? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: Yeah, optymizing your Mac... basically, it's just getting things together. Ya know, resyncing your ICloud, and all that type stuff. Don't worry about it. You're ok. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:55 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit After waiting about 45 minutes for it to install, and additionally a little startled when it restarted and said completing installation, it's now done. I'll be interested to see what this has. Okay, optimizing your Mac? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: there is absolutely nothing to be excited or enthusiastic about from the voiceover perspective in this release. I've been using this thing since developer preview II and have lived in hope that things might improve. Despite bugging lots not much has. Also, many of the existing annoyances haven't been addressed. I for one have no intention of putting it on any production machine for a long long time. Dónal On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:25, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either
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This is a known issue. It has to do with one particular setting, “Wrap to Page,” which you can toggle off by hitting cmd-shift-w. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody noticed that text edit seems to lose focus easily in documents? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack. I too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest. As I recall, there was even one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, that was so broken, it didn't even boot. Anyway... yeah. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it could. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: thanks zack, are you using the new update? On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all
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Oh, that’s describing images to you. :) iOS 7 added a similar feature a while back. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks I appreciate that. What's up with all the bright, crisp, no faces thingies? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: Yeah, optymizing your Mac... basically, it's just getting things together. Ya know, resyncing your ICloud, and all that type stuff. Don't worry about it. You're ok. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:55 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit After waiting about 45 minutes for it to install, and additionally a little startled when it restarted and said completing installation, it's now done. I'll be interested to see what this has. Okay, optimizing your Mac? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: there is absolutely nothing to be excited or enthusiastic about from the voiceover perspective in this release. I've been using this thing since developer preview II and have lived in hope that things might improve. Despite bugging lots not much has. Also, many of the existing annoyances haven't been addressed. I for one have no intention of putting it on any production machine for a long long time. Dónal On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:25, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net
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Thanks a lot, greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: This is a known issue. It has to do with one particular setting, “Wrap to Page,” which you can toggle off by hitting cmd-shift-w. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody noticed that text edit seems to lose focus easily in documents? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack. I too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest. As I recall, there was even one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, that was so broken, it didn't even boot. Anyway... yeah. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it could. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: thanks zack, are you using the new update? On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac
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So, do we want wrap to Window, or wrap to page? Chris. On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: This is a known issue. It has to do with one particular setting, “Wrap to Page,” which you can toggle off by hitting cmd-shift-w. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody noticed that text edit seems to lose focus easily in documents? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack. I too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest. As I recall, there was even one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, that was so broken, it didn't even boot. Anyway... yeah. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it could. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: thanks zack, are you using the new update? On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac
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Nice feature, must admit. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Oh, that’s describing images to you. :) iOS 7 added a similar feature a while back. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks I appreciate that. What's up with all the bright, crisp, no faces thingies? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: Yeah, optymizing your Mac... basically, it's just getting things together. Ya know, resyncing your ICloud, and all that type stuff. Don't worry about it. You're ok. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:55 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit After waiting about 45 minutes for it to install, and additionally a little startled when it restarted and said completing installation, it's now done. I'll be interested to see what this has. Okay, optimizing your Mac? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: there is absolutely nothing to be excited or enthusiastic about from the voiceover perspective in this release. I've been using this thing since developer preview II and have lived in hope that things might improve. Despite bugging lots not much has. Also, many of the existing annoyances haven't been addressed. I for one have no intention of putting it on any production machine for a long long time. Dónal On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:25, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting
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Maybe it was just my mac mini being stupid. Who knows. I just tried updating from the GM to the full release, and once it downloaded, and then I restarted the first time, it just kind a sat there and decided to be a looks, and do nothing. Finally, I hit the power switch and manually restarted. So far, that doesn’t seem to have any ill effect. Chris. On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Chris, I don't remember that one.:-) but yeah, the point still stands, wait a little bit. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack. I too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest. As I recall, there was even one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, that was so broken, it didn't even boot. Anyway... yeah. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it could. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: thanks zack, are you using the new update? On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website
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The default for new documents seems to be wrap to page, which you don't want. Yo no you have it on the right setting when it tells you that you've activated wrapp to window. Sent from my iPad On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: So, do we want wrap to Window, or wrap to page? Chris. On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: This is a known issue. WIt has to do with one particular setting, “Wrap to Page,” which you can toggle off by hitting cmd-shift-w. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody noticed that text edit seems to lose focus easily in documents? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack. I too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest. As I recall, there was even one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, that was so broken, it didn't even boot. Anyway... yeah. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it could. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: thanks zack, are you using the new update? On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security
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Sorry Esther, the keystroke does not seem to recognize threads, and there seems to be no delay after pressing option+arrow. The focus immediately moves to the top or bottom message in the current mailbox. I am running the GM, so this behavior may be different in today’s public release. Cheers, Bryan On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: That's great news. Does this work the same way it used to? By that I mean that you can use this to navigate threads (conversations) as well as your entire mailbox to go to the first or last message, by holding down the Option+Up or Down arrow key for a short time. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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I am wondering if I need to update to the mavricks? Is it necessary? WouIf I don't update to Mavricks, would this interfere with updates to Mountain Lion? Or, will there be updates to Mountain Lion. Being a new mac user, I would appreciate any tips on this. Thanks. Hugs and 73 Linda C. Knight shirley CallSign: kk4hrg Please note email: l...@tampabay.rr.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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OK, I'll make sure I have it set that way. BTW, saw your signature, Sent from my IPad. Which model have you got? I love! mine! Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:46 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit The default for new documents seems to be wrap to page, which you don't want. Yo no you have it on the right setting when it tells you that you've activated wrapp to window. Sent from my iPad On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: So, do we want wrap to Window, or wrap to page? Chris. On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: This is a known issue. WIt has to do with one particular setting, “Wrap to Page,” which you can toggle off by hitting cmd-shift-w. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody noticed that text edit seems to lose focus easily in documents? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack. I too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest. As I recall, there was even one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, that was so broken, it didn't even boot. Anyway... yeah. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it could. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: thanks zack, are you using the new update? On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own
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I'm wonderring if I took the correct steps to update from my GM to the official release, being that I'm seeing some odd behaviors here and there. It's nothing major, definitely not, but it's enough to make me kind a wonder. What I personally did was I went to software update from within the GM, and then hit command+5 for updates. I didn't see anything for Mavericks, so I then went back to the search box in my toolbar with command+F, then typed in Maverick, and the first result that popped up was it. I then hit the download button, and then proceeded as usual. I'm wonderring if I should have not necessarily repartitioned and reformatted, God forbid, but maybe I still should have reinstalled from the recovery partition. I'm just wonderring what is the best way to update from a seed or a GM to the real thing, just so I'll know for the future. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:30 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Sorry Esther, the keystroke does not seem to recognize threads, and there seems to be no delay after pressing option+arrow. The focus immediately moves to the top or bottom message in the current mailbox. I am running the GM, so this behavior may be different in today’s public release. Cheers, Bryan On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: That's great news. Does this work the same way it used to? By that I mean that you can use this to navigate threads (conversations) as well as your entire mailbox to go to the first or last message, by holding down the Option+Up or Down arrow key for a short time. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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I have an iPad mini. It’s a great little device. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: OK, I'll make sure I have it set that way. BTW, saw your signature, Sent from my IPad. Which model have you got? I love! mine! Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:46 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit The default for new documents seems to be wrap to page, which you don't want. Yo no you have it on the right setting when it tells you that you've activated wrapp to window. Sent from my iPad On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: So, do we want wrap to Window, or wrap to page? Chris. On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: This is a known issue. WIt has to do with one particular setting, “Wrap to Page,” which you can toggle off by hitting cmd-shift-w. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody noticed that text edit seems to lose focus easily in documents? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack. I too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest. As I recall, there was even one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, that was so broken, it didn't even boot. Anyway... yeah. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it could. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: thanks zack, are you using the new update? On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman
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Well, the short answer is, no. The long answer is, yes, and, no. Yes, I would update, if your mac supports it, which if you got it in the last year or two, it definitely! beyond a doubt should. As for it interfering with ML updates, neh... You'll be fine. At least, for the time being. That's kind of where the yes and no comes into play. Yes, you'll be fine for now. No, you won't be fine in the long run down the road. I mean, it'll probably take a year to a year and a half before ML updates are no longer downloadable, however, that's quite a ways in the future. If you don't feel comfortable upgrading, you have two options, either wait it out, or call my company, and for $5 via PayPal we'll assist you or anyone else with the installation who may need some help along the way, or just want someone experienced to look over their shoulder whilst they do it. We're open Mon-Fri from 8:00AM to 5:00PM, and closed on weekends and holidays. 704-256-0067, and choose the option for Tech Support. Again though, not trying to make a sales pitch, it's just an option I wanted to throw at you. Honestly, there is no reason per sé that says you *have!* to update, although personally, I would highly recommend it, myself. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Linda C. Knight l...@tampabay.rr.com To: 'Mac OSX iOS Accessibility' mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:36 PM Subject: RE: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit I am wondering if I need to update to the mavricks? Is it necessary? WouIf I don't update to Mavricks, would this interfere with updates to Mountain Lion? Or, will there be updates to Mountain Lion. Being a new mac user, I would appreciate any tips on this. Thanks. Hugs and 73 Linda C. Knight shirley CallSign: kk4hrg Please note email: l...@tampabay.rr.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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Hi Chris, I went into the Purchases tab and redownloaded from there, I suspect it’s pretty much comparable to what you did. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 9:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I'm wonderring if I took the correct steps to update from my GM to the official release, being that I'm seeing some odd behaviors here and there. It's nothing major, definitely not, but it's enough to make me kind a wonder. What I personally did was I went to software update from within the GM, and then hit command+5 for updates. I didn't see anything for Mavericks, so I then went back to the search box in my toolbar with command+F, then typed in Maverick, and the first result that popped up was it. I then hit the download button, and then proceeded as usual. I'm wonderring if I should have not necessarily repartitioned and reformatted, God forbid, but maybe I still should have reinstalled from the recovery partition. I'm just wonderring what is the best way to update from a seed or a GM to the real thing, just so I'll know for the future. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:30 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Sorry Esther, the keystroke does not seem to recognize threads, and there seems to be no delay after pressing option+arrow. The focus immediately moves to the top or bottom message in the current mailbox. I am running the GM, so this behavior may be different in today’s public release. Cheers, Bryan On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: That's great news. Does this work the same way it used to? By that I mean that you can use this to navigate threads (conversations) as well as your entire mailbox to go to the first or last message, by holding down the Option+Up or Down arrow key for a short time. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither
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Yeah, I don't wanna veer off topic, so I'll close that IPad discussion on this thread now while it's incredibly young, but yeah, I got a 4th gen, and also a mini, and don't know how I ever lived without 'em. I can't wait! to see the new IPad Air that was announced. Anyway, again, we're getting off base, so I'll end it here... LOL! Smile. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:25 AM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit I have an iPad mini. It’s a great little device. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: OK, I'll make sure I have it set that way. BTW, saw your signature, Sent from my IPad. Which model have you got? I love! mine! Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:46 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit The default for new documents seems to be wrap to page, which you don't want. Yo no you have it on the right setting when it tells you that you've activated wrapp to window. Sent from my iPad On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: So, do we want wrap to Window, or wrap to page? Chris. On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: This is a known issue. WIt has to do with one particular setting, “Wrap to Page,” which you can toggle off by hitting cmd-shift-w. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody noticed that text edit seems to lose focus easily in documents? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack. I too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest. As I recall, there was even one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, that was so broken, it didn't even boot. Anyway... yeah. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it could. :-) All the best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: thanks zack, are you using the new update? On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved from the accessibility testing process. While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and will be improved in the coming weeks. Warmest regards, Zack. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http
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OK Coolness. I just wanted to be sure. Chris. On Oct 23, 2013, at 12:41 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Chris, I went into the Purchases tab and redownloaded from there, I suspect it’s pretty much comparable to what you did. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 9:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I'm wonderring if I took the correct steps to update from my GM to the official release, being that I'm seeing some odd behaviors here and there. It's nothing major, definitely not, but it's enough to make me kind a wonder. What I personally did was I went to software update from within the GM, and then hit command+5 for updates. I didn't see anything for Mavericks, so I then went back to the search box in my toolbar with command+F, then typed in Maverick, and the first result that popped up was it. I then hit the download button, and then proceeded as usual. I'm wonderring if I should have not necessarily repartitioned and reformatted, God forbid, but maybe I still should have reinstalled from the recovery partition. I'm just wonderring what is the best way to update from a seed or a GM to the real thing, just so I'll know for the future. Chris. Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded. http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:30 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Sorry Esther, the keystroke does not seem to recognize threads, and there seems to be no delay after pressing option+arrow. The focus immediately moves to the top or bottom message in the current mailbox. I am running the GM, so this behavior may be different in today’s public release. Cheers, Bryan On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: That's great news. Does this work the same way it used to? By that I mean that you can use this to navigate threads (conversations) as well as your entire mailbox to go to the first or last message, by holding down the Option+Up or Down arrow key for a short time. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list
