Re: Question: Reading Webpages
Hi Sarah, I'm aware of that keystroke. My issues are with reading search result descriptions, not titles. Thanks. On 10/31/2013 7:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Why don't you just use your next and previous heading keystrokes. I can navigate the Google search results fairly quickly. Look that up in the vo manual. There are also next and same heading and element keystrokes. Tc. On Oct 31, 2013, at 0:13, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Travis, I'm aware of highlighting and the page markup being in different bits. However, I have to reiterate here: I'm not trying to find what problems Voiceover has, I'm just trying to see if they are possible to circumvent. That is, I'm trying to see how I can get an experience like that of Windows/Linux screen readers so that it would fall into my comfort zone. David kindly mentioned that every screen reader has its own quirks and advantages, and that I shouldn't expect Voiceover to deliver the same experience, Google highlighting the results or not. From that message, I extracted the following answer to my question: For _any_ reason, to read Google search results, you have to move to the next object several times. There is no way to lower the number of keystrokes (I.E. switching to read by line and then headings and back takes as many, or even more, keystrokes than going through the website address and the highlighted words in the website description). Hope that recap helps someone else in the future :) On 10/30/2013 5:27 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: One thing to keep in mind about search results from google is that google has the habbit of highlighting any search terms in the search results. This has the unfortunate result of sometimes putting breaks where they really shouldn't be, and vo acts accordingly. It is a bit irritating, but you get used to it. It's not a problem with voiceover, it's how the results are displayed, vo has no control over that. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message
Re: Question: Reading Webpages
Hi Travis, I'm aware of highlighting and the page markup being in different bits. However, I have to reiterate here: I'm not trying to find what problems Voiceover has, I'm just trying to see if they are possible to circumvent. That is, I'm trying to see how I can get an experience like that of Windows/Linux screen readers so that it would fall into my comfort zone. David kindly mentioned that every screen reader has its own quirks and advantages, and that I shouldn't expect Voiceover to deliver the same experience, Google highlighting the results or not. From that message, I extracted the following answer to my question: For _any_ reason, to read Google search results, you have to move to the next object several times. There is no way to lower the number of keystrokes (I.E. switching to read by line and then headings and back takes as many, or even more, keystrokes than going through the website address and the highlighted words in the website description). Hope that recap helps someone else in the future :) On 10/30/2013 5:27 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: One thing to keep in mind about search results from google is that google has the habbit of highlighting any search terms in the search results. This has the unfortunate result of sometimes putting breaks where they really shouldn't be, and vo acts accordingly. It is a bit irritating, but you get used to it. It's not a problem with voiceover, it's how the results are displayed, vo has no control over that. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Question: Reading Webpages
Why don't you just use your next and previous heading keystrokes. I can navigate the Google search results fairly quickly. Look that up in the vo manual. There are also next and same heading and element keystrokes. Tc. On Oct 31, 2013, at 0:13, Parham Doustdar parha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Travis, I'm aware of highlighting and the page markup being in different bits. However, I have to reiterate here: I'm not trying to find what problems Voiceover has, I'm just trying to see if they are possible to circumvent. That is, I'm trying to see how I can get an experience like that of Windows/Linux screen readers so that it would fall into my comfort zone. David kindly mentioned that every screen reader has its own quirks and advantages, and that I shouldn't expect Voiceover to deliver the same experience, Google highlighting the results or not. From that message, I extracted the following answer to my question: For _any_ reason, to read Google search results, you have to move to the next object several times. There is no way to lower the number of keystrokes (I.E. switching to read by line and then headings and back takes as many, or even more, keystrokes than going through the website address and the highlighted words in the website description). Hope that recap helps someone else in the future :) On 10/30/2013 5:27 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: One thing to keep in mind about search results from google is that google has the habbit of highlighting any search terms in the search results. This has the unfortunate result of sometimes putting breaks where they really shouldn't be, and vo acts accordingly. It is a bit irritating, but you get used to it. It's not a problem with voiceover, it's how the results are displayed, vo has no control over that. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Question: Reading Webpages
One thing to keep in mind about search results from google is that google has the habbit of highlighting any search terms in the search results. This has the unfortunate result of sometimes putting breaks where they really shouldn't be, and vo acts accordingly. It is a bit irritating, but you get used to it. It's not a problem with voiceover, it's how the results are displayed, vo has no control over that. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Question: Reading Webpages
Hi David, Thanks a lot. I did as you had suggested (adding line to the router), but I met some unexpected behavior that I'm wondering how to work around of. When pressing H for jumping to the next heading, the router setting changes to headings instead of lines and then I'll constantly have to switch back to lines. Is there a way to do this quickly? Thanks. On 10/19/2013 12:41 PM, David Griffith wrote: Also in relation to navigating by line this is indeed possible. You need to check first of all that in Voiceover settings that you have line as an item for the web rota checked. I believe it is not checked by default. Just navigate to web rota settings and look for line and then press space to set this up. Now in Safari press left and right arrows to turn quick nav on. Press left and up arrow to cycle through the rota until you hear lines. Pressing down and up arrow will now navigate you by a line at a time. Left and right arrow will still read by paragraph or heading element. This is a good way of selecting text easily as you simply hold the shift key whilst pressing the down key. Unlike more clunky forms of text selection in Safari you will not be restricted to interactional elements like a paragraph. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: 19 October 2013 09:04 To: 'Mac OSX iOS Accessibility' Subject: RE: Question: Reading Webpages Try changing the punctuation settings of Voiceover in Safari. It sounds like you have it set to all. You might be better off with some or none. You can access the major settings of Voiceover, including punctuation, quickly by pressing control option command and right or left cursor keys to cycle through the settings. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar Sent: 19 October 2013 07:49 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Question: Reading Webpages Hi, I'm using Mac OSX 10.8.5. When trying to read the Google search results and moving to the next item using VO + right from the heading that has the webpage title, I hear things like this (each comma between the text enclosed in quotes means I press VO + right at this point): Test.com | The best test site, www, test.com, /, example. However, what I'd like to hear is this: Test.com | The best test site, www.test.com/example Namely, I'd like to navigate by line. Is this possible? Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac
RE: Question: Reading Webpages
I am afraid this is an aspect of quick nav that it defaults to the last letter navigation. This is sometimes useful but like you I find this annoying at times. In the end I reason that I was just used to line reading as this was the normal Windows way of doing things. It is not actually that logical in many web page elements where lines are not fixed quantities with the realities of adjustable fonts and text flows etc. A paragraph is a more logical web element. I also realise that you cannot, or even reasonably expect the Mac to reproduce all of the windows experience. I therefore learnt to adjust in Quick Nav by using right arrow key to read a paragraph at a time which suits the Mac and actually me most of the time . This is unaffected by use of any of the Quick Nav button navigation options. I retain line reading for occasional detailed reading or as a more flexible way of selecting text on Safari web pages. There are strength and weaknesses to Mac internet usage. There are aspects some of web reading on the Mac which is far superior to Windows. If you have not tried it, go to a BBC news site story and press command shift R to launch Reader. Even the latest versions of Jaws do not achieve this level of functionality. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar Sent: 21 October 2013 07:00 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Question: Reading Webpages Hi David, Thanks a lot. I did as you had suggested (adding line to the router), but I met some unexpected behavior that I'm wondering how to work around of. When pressing H for jumping to the next heading, the router setting changes to headings instead of lines and then I'll constantly have to switch back to lines. Is there a way to do this quickly? Thanks. On 10/19/2013 12:41 PM, David Griffith wrote: Also in relation to navigating by line this is indeed possible. You need to check first of all that in Voiceover settings that you have line as an item for the web rota checked. I believe it is not checked by default. Just navigate to web rota settings and look for line and then press space to set this up. Now in Safari press left and right arrows to turn quick nav on. Press left and up arrow to cycle through the rota until you hear lines. Pressing down and up arrow will now navigate you by a line at a time. Left and right arrow will still read by paragraph or heading element. This is a good way of selecting text easily as you simply hold the shift key whilst pressing the down key. Unlike more clunky forms of text selection in Safari you will not be restricted to interactional elements like a paragraph. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: 19 October 2013 09:04 To: 'Mac OSX iOS Accessibility' Subject: RE: Question: Reading Webpages Try changing the punctuation settings of Voiceover in Safari. It sounds like you have it set to all. You might be better off with some or none. You can access the major settings of Voiceover, including punctuation, quickly by pressing control option command and right or left cursor keys to cycle through the settings. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar Sent: 19 October 2013 07:49 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Question: Reading Webpages Hi, I'm using Mac OSX 10.8.5. When trying to read the Google search results and moving to the next item using VO + right from the heading that has the webpage title, I hear things like this (each comma between the text enclosed in quotes means I press VO + right at this point): Test.com | The best test site, www, test.com, /, example. However, what I'd like to hear is this: Test.com | The best test site, www.test.com/example Namely, I'd like to navigate by line. Is this possible? Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences
Re: Question: Reading Webpages
Hi David, Thanks a lot. Yes. The reason I am asking these questions here is because I want to learn the Mac way of things. Each platform, screen reader, and specially screen reader + web browser combination has its own tricks, and I'm trying to kick-start my own learning in using Safari and Voiceover. With that out of the way, I really can't understand how reading by paragraph works. As far as I can understand, the example I raised in the beginning of this thread (the one where I moved forward in search results and each punctuation mark seemed to indicate the end of a reading block) would negate what you said about VO+left/right moving by paragraph. A web address that has no spaces (such as www.google.com/test) shouldn't be split into three parts (I.E. www., google., com/test). Even if it does get split into paragraphs by VO's paragraph detection mechanism, the punctuation setting shouldn't affect it. I'm not whining, merely asking. Please excuse my ignorance if it comes through that way. Thanks a lot for your answers. On 10/21/2013 10:25 AM, David Griffith wrote: I am afraid this is an aspect of quick nav that it defaults to the last letter navigation. This is sometimes useful but like you I find this annoying at times. In the end I reason that I was just used to line reading as this was the normal Windows way of doing things. It is not actually that logical in many web page elements where lines are not fixed quantities with the realities of adjustable fonts and text flows etc. A paragraph is a more logical web element. I also realise that you cannot, or even reasonably expect the Mac to reproduce all of the windows experience. I therefore learnt to adjust in Quick Nav by using right arrow key to read a paragraph at a time which suits the Mac and actually me most of the time . This is unaffected by use of any of the Quick Nav button navigation options. I retain line reading for occasional detailed reading or as a more flexible way of selecting text on Safari web pages. There are strength and weaknesses to Mac internet usage. There are aspects some of web reading on the Mac which is far superior to Windows. If you have not tried it, go to a BBC news site story and press command shift R to launch Reader. Even the latest versions of Jaws do not achieve this level of functionality. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar Sent: 21 October 2013 07:00 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Question: Reading Webpages Hi David, Thanks a lot. I did as you had suggested (adding line to the router), but I met some unexpected behavior that I'm wondering how to work around of. When pressing H for jumping to the next heading, the router setting changes to headings instead of lines and then I'll constantly have to switch back to lines. Is there a way to do this quickly? Thanks. On 10/19/2013 12:41 PM, David Griffith wrote: Also in relation to navigating by line this is indeed possible. You need to check first of all that in Voiceover settings that you have line as an item for the web rota checked. I believe it is not checked by default. Just navigate to web rota settings and look for line and then press space to set this up. Now in Safari press left and right arrows to turn quick nav on. Press left and up arrow to cycle through the rota until you hear lines. Pressing down and up arrow will now navigate you by a line at a time. Left and right arrow will still read by paragraph or heading element. This is a good way of selecting text easily as you simply hold the shift key whilst pressing the down key. Unlike more clunky forms of text selection in Safari you will not be restricted to interactional elements like a paragraph. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: 19 October 2013 09:04 To: 'Mac OSX iOS Accessibility' Subject: RE: Question: Reading Webpages Try changing the punctuation settings of Voiceover in Safari. It sounds like you have it set to all. You might be better off with some or none. You can access the major settings of Voiceover, including punctuation, quickly by pressing control option command and right or left cursor keys to cycle through the settings. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar Sent: 19 October 2013 07:49 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Question: Reading Webpages Hi, I'm using Mac OSX 10.8.5. When trying to read the Google search results and moving to the next item using VO + right from the heading that has the webpage title, I hear things like this (each comma between the text enclosed in quotes means I press VO + right at this point): Test.com | The best test site, www, test.com
RE: Question: Reading Webpages
Try changing the punctuation settings of Voiceover in Safari. It sounds like you have it set to all. You might be better off with some or none. You can access the major settings of Voiceover, including punctuation, quickly by pressing control option command and right or left cursor keys to cycle through the settings. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar Sent: 19 October 2013 07:49 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Question: Reading Webpages Hi, I'm using Mac OSX 10.8.5. When trying to read the Google search results and moving to the next item using VO + right from the heading that has the webpage title, I hear things like this (each comma between the text enclosed in quotes means I press VO + right at this point): Test.com | The best test site, www, test.com, /, example. However, what I'd like to hear is this: Test.com | The best test site, www.test.com/example Namely, I'd like to navigate by line. Is this possible? Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: Question: Reading Webpages
Also in relation to navigating by line this is indeed possible. You need to check first of all that in Voiceover settings that you have line as an item for the web rota checked. I believe it is not checked by default. Just navigate to web rota settings and look for line and then press space to set this up. Now in Safari press left and right arrows to turn quick nav on. Press left and up arrow to cycle through the rota until you hear lines. Pressing down and up arrow will now navigate you by a line at a time. Left and right arrow will still read by paragraph or heading element. This is a good way of selecting text easily as you simply hold the shift key whilst pressing the down key. Unlike more clunky forms of text selection in Safari you will not be restricted to interactional elements like a paragraph. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: 19 October 2013 09:04 To: 'Mac OSX iOS Accessibility' Subject: RE: Question: Reading Webpages Try changing the punctuation settings of Voiceover in Safari. It sounds like you have it set to all. You might be better off with some or none. You can access the major settings of Voiceover, including punctuation, quickly by pressing control option command and right or left cursor keys to cycle through the settings. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Parham Doustdar Sent: 19 October 2013 07:49 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Question: Reading Webpages Hi, I'm using Mac OSX 10.8.5. When trying to read the Google search results and moving to the next item using VO + right from the heading that has the webpage title, I hear things like this (each comma between the text enclosed in quotes means I press VO + right at this point): Test.com | The best test site, www, test.com, /, example. However, what I'd like to hear is this: Test.com | The best test site, www.test.com/example Namely, I'd like to navigate by line. Is this possible? Thanks. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
