Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith]

Hello Dane, Mike, Josh and all

I also wonder whether this chap is in breech of his NDA, assuming he's signed 
up for one of course. There are only so many times you can re-shape the wheel 
before it become round again. Apple is traditionally very secretive about its 
plans, and why not. So who knows where the future will take us. Gordon and I 
have considered other platforms but to be honest we just feel comfortable with 
Apple's so we will stick for the foreseeable. It's good that there is 
competition, but bad to speculate without knowing the full story I think. This 
chap is, I feel confident, not in possession of all of the facts because I 
don't think that anybody outside of Apple is. Be that as it may, iOS7 is still 
not in the public domain so we need to be careful. This list has always 
respected Apple's right to hold its cards close to its chest. We want that 
situation to remain.

On 24 Jun 2013, at 18:07, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the preferred 
> platform, while there are others out there, they are not nearly as accessible.

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Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Chris Gilland]

And, wouldn't that be considered something that shouldn't be discussed 
through here as it would be NDA sensitive?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Arrigo" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: Article: Apple loses its shine


Interesting, where did you hear that? There's also rumors that Apple may 
allow other keyboards, but nothing confirmed.

Original message:

Hello:
Just to let know that in this release of iOS 7, Apple has opened the TTS 
API, so developers can use it to make their Apps speak with system voices 
or use a single TTS engine for many Apps, and not as it was before.

Take care!



Daniela Rubio T
 Distinguished Educator
iPhone: +34662328507








El 25/06/2013, a las 16:19, Mike Arrigo  escribió:


Exactly. You may have 3 or 4 copies of the same TTS engine on your 
device, because each application must provide their own TTS and Apple 
does not allow you to install other voices and use them system wise. 
They also do not allow developers to use the voices that are already 
built in. Those restrictions are just silly.

Original message:
Now with the keyboards and voices I agree. I hate that voice dream has 
to provide voices that read2go already has, and that seroprok can't be 
on iOS, and that eSpeak can't be ported to iOS. But I heard they're 
opening up a lot of API's for iOS7, so yeah, maybe speech and keyboard 
is among them.

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On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


I don't want Apple to be google, and I do not want IOS to be android. 
But what I would like is for IOS to provide the features that in most 
other operating systems, desktop and mobile. I honestly cannot think 
of any other operating system that did not allow you to manage files. 
Windows provides this, so does the Mac, linux, and even Symbian and 
Windows Mobile 6 provided this functionality. Why IOS does not provide 
or even really allow this easily I will never understand. Also the 
issues of not allowing you to install other keyboards, this doesn't 
really apply to most desktop operating systems, but the voices 
restriction does. With just about every other operating system, you 
can install other voices and use them system wide, each application is 
not required to include its own voice, again, there is simply no 
logical reason for that.

On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:22 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:


I somewhat agree with you, but I just don't want Apple to be Google. 
I love apple's commitment to accessibility better. LOL as we all 
surely do.

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On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Moop Curran  
wrote:



Hi,
I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop 
platform, but I like my android tablet because it's more versatile. 
I wish apple would make iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably 
one of a few that would like iOs to act like mac os. I thin if the 
device is mine, I should be able to install whatever app I want on 
it.

Courtney



Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a 
rare

breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the
mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS 
if
Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely 
to

happen.
On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:



Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel

that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your
phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and
everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software 
you
want. Android is android though, and better for people that want 
full

access.

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On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo  
wrote:


That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but 
if

you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be
pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that 
it
does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as 
file

management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary
connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install
applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with 
someone

else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have
purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as
accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone
calls, messaging, playing music, l

Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Mike Arrigo]

Interesting, where did you hear that? There's also rumors that Apple 
may allow other keyboards, but nothing confirmed.

Original message:

Hello:
Just to let know that in this release of iOS 7, Apple has opened the 
TTS API, so developers can use it to make their Apps speak with system 
voices or use a single TTS engine for many Apps, and not as it was before.

Take care!



Daniela Rubio T
 Distinguished Educator
iPhone: +34662328507








El 25/06/2013, a las 16:19, Mike Arrigo  escribió:


Exactly. You may have 3 or 4 copies of the same TTS engine on your 
device, because each application must provide their own TTS and Apple 
does not allow you to install other voices and use them system wise. 
They also do not allow developers to use the voices that are already 
built in. Those restrictions are just silly.

Original message:
Now with the keyboards and voices I agree. I hate that voice dream has 
to provide voices that read2go already has, and that seroprok can't be 
on iOS, and that eSpeak can't be ported to iOS. But I heard they're 
opening up a lot of API's for iOS7, so yeah, maybe speech and keyboard 
is among them.

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On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


I don't want Apple to be google, and I do not want IOS to be android. 
But what I would like is for IOS to provide the features that in most 
other operating systems, desktop and mobile. I honestly cannot think of 
any other operating system that did not allow you to manage files. 
Windows provides this, so does the Mac, linux, and even Symbian and 
Windows Mobile 6 provided this functionality. Why IOS does not provide 
or even really allow this easily I will never understand. Also the 
issues of not allowing you to install other keyboards, this doesn't 
really apply to most desktop operating systems, but the voices 
restriction does. With just about every other operating system, you can 
install other voices and use them system wide, each application is not 
required to include its own voice, again, there is simply no logical 
reason for that.

On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:22 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:


I somewhat agree with you, but I just don't want Apple to be Google. I 
love apple's commitment to accessibility better. LOL as we all surely do.

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On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:



Hi,
I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, 
but I like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple 
would make iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that 
would like iOs to act like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I 
should be able to install whatever app I want on it.

Courtney



Mike Arrigo  wrote:



Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare
breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the
mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if
Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to
happen.
On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:



Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel

that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your
phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and
everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you
want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full
access.

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On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:



That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if

you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be
pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it
does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file
management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary
connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install
applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone
else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have
purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as
accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone
calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations,
identifying things with the camera, and listening to books.

Original message:

Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the

preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not
nearly as accessible.



Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo 

wrote:



An interesting article and I agree with some of what 

Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Devin Prater]

That's awesome! Can voices be installed as system voices now?
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On Jun 25, 2013, at 9:51 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:

> Hello:
> Just to let know that in this release of iOS 7, Apple has opened the TTS API, 
> so developers can use it to make their Apps speak with system voices or use a 
> single TTS engine for many Apps, and not as it was before.
> Take care!
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
>  Distinguished Educator
> iPhone: +34662328507
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> El 25/06/2013, a las 16:19, Mike Arrigo  escribió:
> 
>> Exactly. You may have 3 or 4 copies of the same TTS engine on your device, 
>> because each application must provide their own TTS and Apple does not allow 
>> you to install other voices and use them system wise. They also do not allow 
>> developers to use the voices that are already built in. Those restrictions 
>> are just silly.
>> Original message:
>>> Now with the keyboards and voices I agree. I hate that voice dream has to 
>>> provide voices that read2go already has, and that seroprok can't be on iOS, 
>>> and that eSpeak can't be ported to iOS. But I heard they're opening up a 
>>> lot of API's for iOS7, so yeah, maybe speech and keyboard is among them.
>>> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
>>> Devin prater
>>> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>>> Skype:
>>> devinprater
>>> msn:
>>> devinpra...@live.com
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
 I don't want Apple to be google, and I do not want IOS to be android. But 
 what I would like is for IOS to provide the features that in most other 
 operating systems, desktop and mobile. I honestly cannot think of any 
 other operating system that did not allow you to manage files. Windows 
 provides this, so does the Mac, linux, and even Symbian and Windows Mobile 
 6 provided this functionality. Why IOS does not provide or even really 
 allow this easily I will never understand. Also the issues of not allowing 
 you to install other keyboards, this doesn't really apply to most desktop 
 operating systems, but the voices restriction does. With just about every 
 other operating system, you can install other voices and use them system 
 wide, each application is not required to include its own voice, again, 
 there is simply no logical reason for that.
 On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:22 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
> I somewhat agree with you, but I just don't want Apple to be Google. I 
> love apple's commitment to accessibility better. LOL as we all surely do.
> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
> Devin prater
> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
> Skype:
> devinprater
> msn:
> devinpra...@live.com
>> 
>> 
> On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, 
>> but I like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple 
>> would make iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that 
>> would like iOs to act like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I 
>> should be able to install whatever app I want on it.
>> Courtney
>> 
>> Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare
>>> breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the
>>> mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if
>>> Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to
>>> happen.
>>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
 Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel
>>> that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your
>>> phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and
>>> everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you
>>> want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full
>>> access.
 sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
 Devin prater
 email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
 Skype:
 devinprater
 msn:
 devinpra...@live.com
>> 
>> 
 On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
> That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if
>>> you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be
>>> pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it
>>> does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file
>>> management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary
>>> connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install
>>> applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a

Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello:
Just to let know that in this release of iOS 7, Apple has opened the TTS API, 
so developers can use it to make their Apps speak with system voices or use a 
single TTS engine for many Apps, and not as it was before.
Take care!

Daniela Rubio T
 Distinguished Educator
iPhone: +34662328507






El 25/06/2013, a las 16:19, Mike Arrigo  escribió:

> Exactly. You may have 3 or 4 copies of the same TTS engine on your device, 
> because each application must provide their own TTS and Apple does not allow 
> you to install other voices and use them system wise. They also do not allow 
> developers to use the voices that are already built in. Those restrictions 
> are just silly.
> Original message:
>> Now with the keyboards and voices I agree. I hate that voice dream has to 
>> provide voices that read2go already has, and that seroprok can't be on iOS, 
>> and that eSpeak can't be ported to iOS. But I heard they're opening up a lot 
>> of API's for iOS7, so yeah, maybe speech and keyboard is among them.
>> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
>> Devin prater
>> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>> Skype:
>> devinprater
>> msn:
>> devinpra...@live.com
> 
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>>> I don't want Apple to be google, and I do not want IOS to be android. But 
>>> what I would like is for IOS to provide the features that in most other 
>>> operating systems, desktop and mobile. I honestly cannot think of any other 
>>> operating system that did not allow you to manage files. Windows provides 
>>> this, so does the Mac, linux, and even Symbian and Windows Mobile 6 
>>> provided this functionality. Why IOS does not provide or even really allow 
>>> this easily I will never understand. Also the issues of not allowing you to 
>>> install other keyboards, this doesn't really apply to most desktop 
>>> operating systems, but the voices restriction does. With just about every 
>>> other operating system, you can install other voices and use them system 
>>> wide, each application is not required to include its own voice, again, 
>>> there is simply no logical reason for that.
>>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:22 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
 I somewhat agree with you, but I just don't want Apple to be Google. I 
 love apple's commitment to accessibility better. LOL as we all surely do.
 sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
 Devin prater
 email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
 Skype:
 devinprater
 msn:
 devinpra...@live.com
> 
> 
 On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, 
> but I like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple 
> would make iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that 
> would like iOs to act like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I should 
> be able to install whatever app I want on it.
> Courtney
> 
> Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare
>> breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the
>> mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if
>> Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to
>> happen.
>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
>>> Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel
>> that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your
>> phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and
>> everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you
>> want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full
>> access.
>>> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
>>> Devin prater
>>> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>>> Skype:
>>> devinprater
>>> msn:
>>> devinpra...@live.com
> 
> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
 That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if
>> you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be
>> pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it
>> does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file
>> management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary
>> connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install
>> applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone
>> else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have
>> purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as
>> accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone
>> calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations,
>> identifying things with the camera, and listening to books.
 Original 

Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Mike Arrigo]

Exactly. You may have 3 or 4 copies of the same TTS engine on your 
device, because each application must provide their own TTS and Apple 
does not allow you to install other voices and use them system wise. 
They also do not allow developers to use the voices that are already 
built in. Those restrictions are just silly.

Original message:
Now with the keyboards and voices I agree. I hate that voice dream has 
to provide voices that read2go already has, and that seroprok can't be 
on iOS, and that eSpeak can't be ported to iOS. But I heard they're 
opening up a lot of API's for iOS7, so yeah, maybe speech and keyboard 
is among them.

sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
Devin prater
email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
Skype:
devinprater
msn:
devinpra...@live.com




On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


I don't want Apple to be google, and I do not want IOS to be android. 
But what I would like is for IOS to provide the features that in most 
other operating systems, desktop and mobile. I honestly cannot think of 
any other operating system that did not allow you to manage files. 
Windows provides this, so does the Mac, linux, and even Symbian and 
Windows Mobile 6 provided this functionality. Why IOS does not provide 
or even really allow this easily I will never understand. Also the 
issues of not allowing you to install other keyboards, this doesn't 
really apply to most desktop operating systems, but the voices 
restriction does. With just about every other operating system, you can 
install other voices and use them system wide, each application is not 
required to include its own voice, again, there is simply no logical 
reason for that.

On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:22 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:


I somewhat agree with you, but I just don't want Apple to be Google. I 
love apple's commitment to accessibility better. LOL as we all surely do.

sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
Devin prater
email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
Skype:
devinprater
msn:
devinpra...@live.com




On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:



Hi,
I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, 
but I like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple 
would make iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that 
would like iOs to act like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I 
should be able to install whatever app I want on it.

Courtney



Mike Arrigo  wrote:



Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare
breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the
mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if
Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to
happen.
On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:



Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel

that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your
phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and
everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you
want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full
access.

sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
Devin prater
email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
Skype:
devinprater
msn:
devinpra...@live.com




On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:



That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if

you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be
pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it
does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file
management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary
connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install
applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone
else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have
purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as
accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone
calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations,
identifying things with the camera, and listening to books.

Original message:

Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the

preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not
nearly as accessible.



Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo 

wrote:



An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In

some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high,
and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people
could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final
story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue
to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not
continue it.

Original message:

A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related

topics so thought perhaps this article may shed

Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Chris Gilland]

Don't even get me started on the things I have been unable to do on Android. 
Maybe it's better now but not even half a year ago, I barely could do much 
of anything, not to mention booting the thing for the first time and holding 
two fingers on the screen didn't work for me.  When I had a sighted person 
try it, it didn't work for them either.  Drawing the square to start 
Talkback in I C S is practically nearly impossible, etc.  Plus you don't get 
the option of switching the keyboard to where you can do like I O S whereby 
you have to double tap to actually insert a character.  If you don't like 
touch typing, which I cannot personally stand, nor can use due to my other 
disabilities than my blindness, by the way, then you're screwed last I 
looked.  Oh sure, there's the beta of Fleksy, but why should I waist my time 
openning another app entirely just to type, then copying it because the two 
apps don't have a linked API to the OS/firmware, then go all the way to 
another app, move around to the text box, then paste in your text.  What a 
waist of time!  I'm, sorry, but that's ridiculous!  This is one reason I'll 
discourage the use of Fleksy until the day either I die, or until they get 
it where copy/paste isn't necessary and it wind up being an option for your 
main keyboard.  I could say a lot more, but I think that's enough for now on 
why I flat out refuse! to use android.  Plus, I find Android apps are more 
proned to break, and most of the people in the blind community who use 
Android seem to be very edgy and not very friendly at helping along the way 
when something does!  break.  If you don't understand something, they'll 
help to a point, sure, but when it breaks, you're on your own.  See ya, 
wouldn't wanna be ya.  OK, maybe things have improved in Keylime Pie, but in 
Jellybean, it was atrocious.  And don't say it's because I was using 
Cianaginmod.  I got my hands on a native JB tablet, as well as phone.  It 
actually was the Nexus, and in both cases, web views didn't read, I couldn't 
hardly at all browse the web, K9 Mail almost constantly crashed, Talkback 
would force close almost every other second with the SVox voices, Forget 
using Spiel, and that's only the beginning of it.


Don't take my word for gospel, as my opinion is only one of very many, and I 
do know people who're blind like Mr. Origo who're using Android 
successfully, so  don't get me wrong, I suppose! it can be done... how the 
hell, I'll never know, but whatever.  If you're happy with it, keep it, but 
I myself until more accessibility commitment is made and things quit 
breaking so easy will be staying with I O S.  OK, maybe it's way more locked 
down, but there are over 3 million, from what I understand apps in the app 
store, and for everything I ever've wanted my phone to do, I've eventually 
been able to find an app that will perfectly suffice.


It may be more locked down, yes, I'll give ya that, but at least things 
don't tend to break anywhere near as easily nor quickly.


Anyhow, just my two cents.  Don't jump down my throat, as just because you 
love android, doesn't mean everyone does.  I don't agree with Android user's 
opinions, but I don't bash you guys, so don't bash me for my blunt opinion. 
If it works for you great, but I'll be sticking with Apple and their line of 
products.  Case closed.


Chris.
- Original Message - 
From: "Devin Prater" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: Article: Apple loses its shine


I somewhat agree with you, but I just don't want Apple to be Google. I love 
apple's commitment to accessibility better. LOL as we all surely do.

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On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:


Hi,
I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, 
but I like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple 
would make iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that 
would like iOs to act like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I should 
be able to install whatever app I want on it.

Courtney

Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare
breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the
mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if
Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to
happen.
On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:


Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel

that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system

Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Devin Prater]

Now with the keyboards and voices I agree. I hate that voice dream has to 
provide voices that read2go already has, and that seroprok can't be on iOS, and 
that eSpeak can't be ported to iOS. But I heard they're opening up a lot of 
API's for iOS7, so yeah, maybe speech and keyboard is among them.
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On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> I don't want Apple to be google, and I do not want IOS to be android. But 
> what I would like is for IOS to provide the features that in most other 
> operating systems, desktop and mobile. I honestly cannot think of any other 
> operating system that did not allow you to manage files. Windows provides 
> this, so does the Mac, linux, and even Symbian and Windows Mobile 6 provided 
> this functionality. Why IOS does not provide or even really allow this easily 
> I will never understand. Also the issues of not allowing you to install other 
> keyboards, this doesn't really apply to most desktop operating systems, but 
> the voices restriction does. With just about every other operating system, 
> you can install other voices and use them system wide, each application is 
> not required to include its own voice, again, there is simply no logical 
> reason for that.
> On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:22 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
>> I somewhat agree with you, but I just don't want Apple to be Google. I love 
>> apple's commitment to accessibility better. LOL as we all surely do.
>> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
>> Devin prater
>> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>> Skype:
>> devinprater
>> msn:
>> devinpra...@live.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, but 
>>> I like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple would 
>>> make iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that would 
>>> like iOs to act like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I should be able 
>>> to install whatever app I want on it.
>>> Courtney
>>> 
>>> Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
 Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare
 breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the
 mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if
 Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to
 happen.
 On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
 
> Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel
 that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your
 phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and
 everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you
 want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full
 access.
> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
> Devin prater
> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
> Skype:
> devinprater
> msn:
> devinpra...@live.com
> 
> 
> On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if
 you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be
 pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it
 does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file
 management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary
 connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install
 applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone
 else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have
 purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as
 accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone
 calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations,
 identifying things with the camera, and listening to books.
>> Original message:
>>> Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the
 preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not
 nearly as accessible.
>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo 
 wrote:
>> 
 An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In
 some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high,
 and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people
 could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final
 story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue
 to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not
 continue it.
 Original message:
> A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related
 

Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Mike Arrigo]

I don't want Apple to be google, and I do not want IOS to be android. But what 
I would like is for IOS to provide the features that in most other operating 
systems, desktop and mobile. I honestly cannot think of any other operating 
system that did not allow you to manage files. Windows provides this, so does 
the Mac, linux, and even Symbian and Windows Mobile 6 provided this 
functionality. Why IOS does not provide or even really allow this easily I will 
never understand. Also the issues of not allowing you to install other 
keyboards, this doesn't really apply to most desktop operating systems, but the 
voices restriction does. With just about every other operating system, you can 
install other voices and use them system wide, each application is not required 
to include its own voice, again, there is simply no logical reason for that.
On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:22 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> I somewhat agree with you, but I just don't want Apple to be Google. I love 
> apple's commitment to accessibility better. LOL as we all surely do.
> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
> Devin prater
> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
> Skype:
> devinprater
> msn:
> devinpra...@live.com
> 
> 
> On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, but 
>> I like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple would 
>> make iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that would like 
>> iOs to act like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I should be able to 
>> install whatever app I want on it.
>> Courtney
>> 
>> Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare
>>> breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the
>>> mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if
>>> Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to
>>> happen.
>>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
 Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel
>>> that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your
>>> phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and
>>> everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you
>>> want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full
>>> access.
 sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
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 On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
> That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if
>>> you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be
>>> pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it
>>> does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file
>>> management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary
>>> connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install
>>> applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone
>>> else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have
>>> purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as
>>> accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone
>>> calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations,
>>> identifying things with the camera, and listening to books.
> Original message:
>> Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the
>>> preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not
>>> nearly as accessible.
> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo 
>>> wrote:
> 
>>> An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In
>>> some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high,
>>> and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people
>>> could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final
>>> story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue
>>> to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not
>>> continue it.
>>> Original message:
 A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related
>>> topics so thought perhaps this article may shed some light.
> 
 
>>> 
> 
> 
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Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Josh Gregory]

Definitely can agree there.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:22 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> I somewhat agree with you, but I just don't want Apple to be Google. I love 
> apple's commitment to accessibility better. LOL as we all surely do.
> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
> Devin prater
> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
> Skype:
> devinprater
> msn:
> devinpra...@live.com
> 
> 
> On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, but 
>> I like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple would 
>> make iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that would like 
>> iOs to act like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I should be able to 
>> install whatever app I want on it.
>> Courtney
>> 
>> Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare
>>> breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the
>>> mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if
>>> Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to
>>> happen.
>>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
 Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel
>>> that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your
>>> phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and
>>> everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you
>>> want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full
>>> access.
 sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
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 On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
> That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if
>>> you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be
>>> pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it
>>> does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file
>>> management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary
>>> connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install
>>> applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone
>>> else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have
>>> purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as
>>> accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone
>>> calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations,
>>> identifying things with the camera, and listening to books.
> Original message:
>> Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the
>>> preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not
>>> nearly as accessible.
> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo 
>>> wrote:
> 
>>> An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In
>>> some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high,
>>> and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people
>>> could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final
>>> story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue
>>> to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not
>>> continue it.
>>> Original message:
 A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related
>>> topics so thought perhaps this article may shed some light.
> 
>>> 
> 
> 
 **
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Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Devin Prater]

I somewhat agree with you, but I just don't want Apple to be Google. I love 
apple's commitment to accessibility better. LOL as we all surely do.
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On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:

> Hi,
> I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, but I 
> like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple would make 
> iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that would like iOs 
> to act like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I should be able to install 
> whatever app I want on it.
> Courtney
> 
> Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare
>> breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the
>> mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if
>> Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to
>> happen.
>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel
>> that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your
>> phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and
>> everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you
>> want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full
>> access.
>>> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
>>> Devin prater
>>> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>>> Skype:
>>> devinprater
>>> msn:
>>> devinpra...@live.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
 That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if
>> you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be
>> pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it
>> does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file
>> management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary
>> connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install
>> applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone
>> else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have
>> purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as
>> accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone
>> calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations,
>> identifying things with the camera, and listening to books.
 Original message:
> Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the
>> preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not
>> nearly as accessible.
 
> Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo 
>> wrote:
 
>> An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In
>> some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high,
>> and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people
>> could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final
>> story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue
>> to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not
>> continue it.
>> Original message:
>>> A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related
>> topics so thought perhaps this article may shed some light.
 
>>> 
>> 
 
 
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Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Moop Curran]

Hi,
I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, but I 
like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple would make iOs 
more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that would like iOs to act 
like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I should be able to install whatever 
app I want on it.
Courtney

Mike Arrigo  wrote:

>Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare
>breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the
>mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if
>Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to
>happen.
>On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
>> Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel
>that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your
>phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and
>everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you
>want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full
>access.
>> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
>> Devin prater
>> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>> Skype:
>> devinprater
>> msn:
>> devinpra...@live.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>>> That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if
>you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be
>pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it
>does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file
>management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary
>connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install
>applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone
>else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have
>purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as
>accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone
>calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations,
>identifying things with the camera, and listening to books.
>>> Original message:
 Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the
>preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not
>nearly as accessible.
>>> 
 Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo 
>wrote:
>>> 
> An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In
>some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high,
>and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people
>could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final
>story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue
>to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not
>continue it.
> Original message:
>> A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related
>topics so thought perhaps this article may shed some light.
>>> 
>>
>
>>> 
>>> 
>> **
>>> 
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Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Mike Arrigo]

Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare breed, 
I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the mobile device, I 
prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if Apple ever lifts any of 
their restrictions, but that's not likely to happen.
On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel that iOS 
> shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your phone, usually 
> isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and everything else, as you 
> know, and can be added to with any software you want. Android is android 
> though, and better for people that want full access.
> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
> Devin prater
> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
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> 
> On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if you have 
>> not tried the newest version of android, you might be pleasantly surprised. 
>> The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it does not do basic things that 
>> other operating systems do, such as file management. Also, Apple insists on 
>> using nonstandard proprietary connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you 
>> can only install applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem 
>> with someone else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have 
>> purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as 
>> accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone calls, 
>> messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations, identifying things 
>> with the camera, and listening to books.
>> Original message:
>>> Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the preferred 
>>> platform, while there are others out there, they are not nearly as 
>>> accessible.
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>>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
 An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some 
 ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and now 
 that some of their features are in other devices, some people could lose 
 interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final story. As long 
 as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue to do what they are 
 doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not continue it.
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> A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related topics so 
> thought perhaps this article may shed some light.
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Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Devin Prater]

Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel that iOS 
shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your phone, usually isn't 
your computer. The mac has a file manager and everything else, as you know, and 
can be added to with any software you want. Android is android though, and 
better for people that want full access.
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On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if you have 
> not tried the newest version of android, you might be pleasantly surprised. 
> The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it does not do basic things that 
> other operating systems do, such as file management. Also, Apple insists on 
> using nonstandard proprietary connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you 
> can only install applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem 
> with someone else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have 
> purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as accessible 
> as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone calls, messaging, 
> playing music, listening to radio stations, identifying things with the 
> camera, and listening to books.
> Original message:
>> Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the preferred 
>> platform, while there are others out there, they are not nearly as 
>> accessible.
> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>>> An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some ways, 
>>> Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and now that 
>>> some of their features are in other devices, some people could lose 
>>> interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final story. As long 
>>> as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue to do what they are 
>>> doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not continue it.
>>> Original message:
 A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related topics so 
 thought perhaps this article may shed some light.
> 
 
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Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Mike Arrigo]

That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if you 
have not tried the newest version of android, you might be pleasantly 
surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it does not do 
basic things that other operating systems do, such as file management. 
Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary connectors, and, 
unless you jail break it, you can only install applications Apple 
approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone else deciding what 
I can and cannot install on a device I have purchased. Android is 
different, but the newest version is just as accessible as IOS I would 
say. I use it on a daily basis for phone calls, messaging, playing 
music, listening to radio stations, identifying things with the camera, 
and listening to books.

Original message:
Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the preferred 
platform, while there are others out there, they are not nearly as accessible.



Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some 
ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and 
now that some of their features are in other devices, some people could 
lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final story. 
As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue to do 
what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not continue it.

Original message:
A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related topics so 
thought perhaps this article may shed some light.








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Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Josh Gregory]

Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the preferred platform, 
while there are others out there, they are not nearly as accessible.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some ways, 
> Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and now that 
> some of their features are in other devices, some people could lose interest. 
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> not. If it is selling, why not continue it.
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Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Mike Arrigo]

An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some 
ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and 
now that some of their features are in other devices, some people could 
lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final story. 
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