Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Thanks for getting back again. - Original Message - From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 10:16 PM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? hello Brenda Actually Gordon says he remembers you from a few years back. He does, indeed. You ask him if I wasn't always trying to ask him questions. Such a little pest, I think I was, then. I was always wanting to know something, but you know, he did teach me well. Yes, we’re always absolutely inundated with work both related to and not related to the project. We know that it’s appreciated by most if not all of our members and we are happy to do the job because we believe that we can provide a service to the community as a whole. We also get quite a lot out of it ourselves. Neat you do. This is probably one of the best lists I'm on. I don't see people being rude to one another. I really like that. Now, back to iOS7.02. The general consensus seems to be very positive on the whole. There are lots of things to come in the near future I think, and it’s quite an exciting time to be involved with this type of technology. I actually love it. I tell everybody that, when I can't read a site very well on my Windows computer, i go to my iPhone and put the link in there and can read it all. There are, however, still quite a few applications kicking around in the utilities section of the App Store which are not, but should be, fully accessible. For instance, the BBC iPlayer doesn’t appear to be working right with VoiceOver from what I’ve read elsewhere. I haven’t tried it, but I’m sure others have. I haven't either. As for the native OS and internal applications, has anybody found any aspect of iOS7 itself which isn’t accessible? Not that I know of, at least, what I use is accessible. Take care and thanks again, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Hello Brenda My apologies for the belated response. Gordon and I are really having a hard time keeping pace with mail these days which is gratifying because this list has now become a quite high volume forum. On 13 Oct 2013, at 15:04, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: • Hit Home twice. That’s certainly one way, yes. As usual though, Esther’s description was all-encompassing. it was highly helpful. As is your own tip, because I’d forgotten about that one. Thank you. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
You're sure welcome, Gordon. Know it's a lot of work for you to have a list of this size and run it and all the server problems or network problems, I can't even comprehend, totally, what you're dealing with. Thanks for getting back. Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? Hello Brenda My apologies for the belated response. Gordon and I are really having a hard time keeping pace with mail these days which is gratifying because this list has now become a quite high volume forum. On 13 Oct 2013, at 15:04, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: • Hit Home twice. That’s certainly one way, yes. As usual though, Esther’s description was all-encompassing. it was highly helpful. As is your own tip, because I’d forgotten about that one. Thank you. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Hello Brenda Actually it was I, rather than Gordon, who responded; but no problem. iOS7.02 certainly brings up some issues regarding accessibility. What Gordon does like about it though is the messaging applet. It’s now far easier to quickly edit, respond too and delete messages than it used to be in iOS6. It was always possible to do, but not as quick and easy as it is now. I think Apple missed the boat in some respects. But then again, that leaves room for manoeuvre later in the lifetime of iOS, doesn’t it. :) Regarding the networking and server issues yes, it’s a positive minefield. One which Apple seems determined to make more and more difficult to navigate unless you happen to be a point-n-click corporate user who is administrating an internal IntraNet. For the kind of services which we require to do what we do they are making things virtually impossible. So we’re looking to evaluate where we go once Mavericks Server is released. If they continue to put the shutters up, we may need to investigate alternatives. But never fear, Mac Access is here to stay. Warm regards Lynne On 19 Oct 2013, at 17:26, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: You're sure welcome, Gordon. Know it's a lot of work for you to have a list of this size and run it and all the server problems or network problems, I can't even comprehend, totally, what you're dealing with. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Sorry. I just know you guys have lots and lots of work with what you do, and believe me, it is appreciated. I always know when I come on here with question, I do get answers. Thank you, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 7:37 PM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? Hello Brenda Actually it was I, rather than Gordon, who responded; but no problem. iOS7.02 certainly brings up some issues regarding accessibility. What Gordon does like about it though is the messaging applet. It’s now far easier to quickly edit, respond too and delete messages than it used to be in iOS6. It was always possible to do, but not as quick and easy as it is now. I think Apple missed the boat in some respects. But then again, that leaves room for manoeuvre later in the lifetime of iOS, doesn’t it. :) Regarding the networking and server issues yes, it’s a positive minefield. One which Apple seems determined to make more and more difficult to navigate unless you happen to be a point-n-click corporate user who is administrating an internal IntraNet. For the kind of services which we require to do what we do they are making things virtually impossible. So we’re looking to evaluate where we go once Mavericks Server is released. If they continue to put the shutters up, we may need to investigate alternatives. But never fear, Mac Access is here to stay. Warm regards Lynne On 19 Oct 2013, at 17:26, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: You're sure welcome, Gordon. Know it's a lot of work for you to have a list of this size and run it and all the server problems or network problems, I can't even comprehend, totally, what you're dealing with. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
hello Brenda Actually Gordon says he remembers you from a few years back. Yes, we’re always absolutely inundated with work both related to and not related to the project. We know that it’s appreciated by most if not all of our members and we are happy to do the job because we believe that we can provide a service to the community as a whole. We also get quite a lot out of it ourselves. Now, back to iOS7.02. The general consensus seems to be very positive on the whole. There are lots of things to come in the near future I think, and it’s quite an exciting time to be involved with this type of technology. There are, however, still quite a few applications kicking around in the utilities section of the App Store which are not, but should be, fully accessible. For instance, the BBC iPlayer doesn’t appear to be working right with VoiceOver from what I’ve read elsewhere. I haven’t tried it, but I’m sure others have. As for the native OS and internal applications, has anybody found any aspect of iOS7 itself which isn’t accessible? Lynne On 20 Oct 2013, at 03:44, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: Sorry. I just know you guys have lots and lots of work with what you do, and believe me, it is appreciated. I always know when I come on here with question, I do get answers. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
No aspect of ios7 with the native apps poses a problem for me. it all works very flawlessly. It' just rocks! On Oct 19, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: hello Brenda Actually Gordon says he remembers you from a few years back. Yes, we’re always absolutely inundated with work both related to and not related to the project. We know that it’s appreciated by most if not all of our members and we are happy to do the job because we believe that we can provide a service to the community as a whole. We also get quite a lot out of it ourselves. Now, back to iOS7.02. The general consensus seems to be very positive on the whole. There are lots of things to come in the near future I think, and it’s quite an exciting time to be involved with this type of technology. There are, however, still quite a few applications kicking around in the utilities section of the App Store which are not, but should be, fully accessible. For instance, the BBC iPlayer doesn’t appear to be working right with VoiceOver from what I’ve read elsewhere. I haven’t tried it, but I’m sure others have. As for the native OS and internal applications, has anybody found any aspect of iOS7 itself which isn’t accessible? Lynne On 20 Oct 2013, at 03:44, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: Sorry. I just know you guys have lots and lots of work with what you do, and believe me, it is appreciated. I always know when I come on here with question, I do get answers. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Hello Caitlyn Please forgive my shoddy response. Gordon and I ares only just managing to sit down now and respond to mail. Our work load has been excessive over the last few weeks. iOS7 is very visually appealing if you like colourful and pretty icons. Functionally, even on our old iPhone 4S is is smooth and lovely to use. Gordon is finding no problems with using it. I am seriously considering upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S model; but I’m not sure what we’d do about the SIM because the SIM cards in all of ours are Micro-SIM and the 5S uses Nano-SIM. When we updated our 3GS to the 4S, we got an adapter and simply cut the cards to size. But I wouldn’t think the same will apply again. Any comment anybody? Once again Caitlyn, many thanks for your informative comment. Warm regards Lynne On 3 Oct 2013, at 09:14, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Hello Sarah I am seeing that my question provoked a lot of responses which is great. Thank you for your input. Again though, it is a very colourful and pretty OS from the visual perspective. That was why I asked the question. Gordon has been using iOS7 for some time and finds it very easy to use. Some of the early builds were a bit wobbly, but most of the little niggles seem to have been ironed out. One thing that struck us both is the much better synchronisation of playlists between OS X and iOS. When you create a playlist on your Mac or, I presume, on Windows iTunes too (but that’s off topic), they just synchronise now which is very very much better. Some playlists have always done this, but not all. VoiceOver seems good; although Gordon cannot get his HumanWAre BrailleNote to work with iOS7 at all, either on the iPad or the iPhone. It paired fine, but it won’t show up in the list of displays. But that is a different topic. Warm regards Lynne On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Hello Dónal Gordon hardly ever uses Safari in iOS, primarily I think because he gets a bit impatient with the mobile browser. But I think it is an area he needs to become more accustomed too as he might need that for work. Thank you for your well thought through input. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Hello Tommy I need to try this for myself. So, from the main screen in iOS with VoiceOver active, how do you bring up the app switcher? I can switch apps visually and it’s really nice actually. But how do you initiate the app switcher with VoiceOver active? All or most of the gestures change. There is no longer the slide and twist type action which we use visually. Warm regards Lynne On 3 Oct 2013, at 15:57, Tommy Craig tecr...@earthlink.net wrote: Well you were miss informed about there not being a 64gb version of the 5S I have one. I was one of the crazy ones who stood in line on the 20th in the rain to get one. It is a great phone and I love it. It is much more responsive than the 4S. As far as size and shape it is virtually the same as the Iphone 5. Much lighter and thinner than my 4S was. I also got one of the new leather cases from Apple and it is great. Very thin and light. Very nice feel in your hand. As far as ios 7 goes I like it overall. There are a couple of minner issues such as the screen refreshing from time to time and VoiceOver is refreshed and so you loose you place in the app your in. Also when you close an app you don't always end up with the app highlighted on the screen. You end up with the first then on that page highlighted. One of the really nice things is the change to the app switcher. Instead of doing the double click and hold to close apps, you now just swipe down and you have choices to open or close that app. One of the hardest thing for me to teach new users was the double tap and hold gesture. Overall I like it a lot. I think a lot of low vission users don't like the color scheme of IOS 7. There are a number of things that you can do to make things easier to read though. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Hello Zack This seems to be Gordon’s opinion too. Like you he’s been using it for some time and had no problems. He is saying that he has never encountered the focus loss issue which others have mentioned. We all, that is to say Tracy, Gordon and I, have iPhone 4S models but I am seriously contemplating upgrading them all to the 5S. As I mentioned earlier my primary concern is the SIM. That is why I dare not upgrade by ordering from Apple until I know that I can get the SIM cards to work. But getting back to accessibility. I find your comment below very constructive and encouraging. Many thanks. Warm regards Lynne On 3 Oct 2013, at 16:11, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Lynn and all, the iPhone 5 and later, including the 5c and 5s, requires a nanosim, not a microsim as with the case of the 4 and 4s. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 13/10/2013 10:28, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: Hello Zack This seems to be Gordon’s opinion too. Like you he’s been using it for some time and had no problems. He is saying that he has never encountered the focus loss issue which others have mentioned. We all, that is to say Tracy, Gordon and I, have iPhone 4S models but I am seriously contemplating upgrading them all to the 5S. As I mentioned earlier my primary concern is the SIM. That is why I dare not upgrade by ordering from Apple until I know that I can get the SIM cards to work. But getting back to accessibility. I find your comment below very constructive and encouraging. Many thanks. Warm regards Lynne On 3 Oct 2013, at 16:11, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Lynn and all, double tap on the home button to bring up the app switcher. Now this is what I do. 1. Swipe to the right with one finger until you come to an app. 2. Swipe up or down with one finger until the close app is selected, where app is the name of an app, and double tap anywhere with one finger. 3. If multiple apps are in the switcher, then just double tap anywhere with one finger until all you see is home. The reason is the close action is already selected for you. Now here is another way to close apps in the switcher. Basically it is the same, however swipe up with three fingers. This works no matter what action is selected in the rotor. Finally to close app switcher, either double tap anywhere with one finger on the home icon, or press the home button. Hope this helps. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 13/10/2013 10:22, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: Hello Tommy I need to try this for myself. So, from the main screen in iOS with VoiceOver active, how do you bring up the app switcher? I can switch apps visually and it’s really nice actually. But how do you initiate the app switcher with VoiceOver active? All or most of the gestures change. There is no longer the slide and twist type action which we use visually. Warm regards Lynne On 3 Oct 2013, at 15:57, Tommy Craig tecr...@earthlink.net wrote: Well you were miss informed about there not being a 64gb version of the 5S I have one. I was one of the crazy ones who stood in line on the 20th in the rain to get one. It is a great phone and I love it. It is much more responsive than the 4S. As far as size and shape it is virtually the same as the Iphone 5. Much lighter and thinner than my 4S was. I also got one of the new leather cases from Apple and it is great. Very thin and light. Very nice feel in your hand. As far as ios 7 goes I like it overall. There are a couple of minner issues such as the screen refreshing from time to time and VoiceOver is refreshed and so you loose you place in the app your in. Also when you close an app you don't always end up with the app highlighted on the screen. You end up with the first then on that page highlighted. One of the really nice things is the change to the app switcher. Instead of doing the double click and hold to close apps, you now just swipe down and you have choices to open or close that app. One of the hardest thing for me to teach new users was the double tap and hold gesture. Overall I like it a lot. I think a lot of low vission users don't like the color scheme of IOS 7. There are a number of things that you can do to make things easier to read though. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Hit Home twice. Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:22 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? Hello Tommy I need to try this for myself. So, from the main screen in iOS with VoiceOver active, how do you bring up the app switcher? I can switch apps visually and it’s really nice actually. But how do you initiate the app switcher with VoiceOver active? All or most of the gestures change. There is no longer the slide and twist type action which we use visually. Warm regards Lynne On 3 Oct 2013, at 15:57, Tommy Craig tecr...@earthlink.net wrote: Well you were miss informed about there not being a 64gb version of the 5S I have one. I was one of the crazy ones who stood in line on the 20th in the rain to get one. It is a great phone and I love it. It is much more responsive than the 4S. As far as size and shape it is virtually the same as the Iphone 5. Much lighter and thinner than my 4S was. I also got one of the new leather cases from Apple and it is great. Very thin and light. Very nice feel in your hand. As far as ios 7 goes I like it overall. There are a couple of minner issues such as the screen refreshing from time to time and VoiceOver is refreshed and so you loose you place in the app your in. Also when you close an app you don't always end up with the app highlighted on the screen. You end up with the first then on that page highlighted. One of the really nice things is the change to the app switcher. Instead of doing the double click and hold to close apps, you now just swipe down and you have choices to open or close that app. One of the hardest thing for me to teach new users was the double tap and hold gesture. Overall I like it a lot. I think a lot of low vission users don't like the color scheme of IOS 7. There are a number of things that you can do to make things easier to read though. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
To open the app switcher just press the home button twice. Tommy -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:23 AM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? Hello Tommy I need to try this for myself. So, from the main screen in iOS with VoiceOver active, how do you bring up the app switcher? I can switch apps visually and it's really nice actually. But how do you initiate the app switcher with VoiceOver active? All or most of the gestures change. There is no longer the slide and twist type action which we use visually. Warm regards Lynne On 3 Oct 2013, at 15:57, Tommy Craig tecr...@earthlink.net wrote: Well you were miss informed about there not being a 64gb version of the 5S I have one. I was one of the crazy ones who stood in line on the 20th in the rain to get one. It is a great phone and I love it. It is much more responsive than the 4S. As far as size and shape it is virtually the same as the Iphone 5. Much lighter and thinner than my 4S was. I also got one of the new leather cases from Apple and it is great. Very thin and light. Very nice feel in your hand. As far as ios 7 goes I like it overall. There are a couple of minner issues such as the screen refreshing from time to time and VoiceOver is refreshed and so you loose you place in the app your in. Also when you close an app you don't always end up with the app highlighted on the screen. You end up with the first then on that page highlighted. One of the really nice things is the change to the app switcher. Instead of doing the double click and hold to close apps, you now just swipe down and you have choices to open or close that app. One of the hardest thing for me to teach new users was the double tap and hold gesture. Overall I like it a lot. I think a lot of low vission users don't like the color scheme of IOS 7. There are a number of things that you can do to make things easier to read though. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
It's actually a lot easier then the prior poster said to close apps. Open the app switcher with the double press of the home button, flick to the app and simply swipe up with 3 fingers. I'd give you a link to my podcast but it is currently broken, that is, something ate my enclosures. lol! On Oct 13, 2013, at 4:07 AM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Lynn and all, double tap on the home button to bring up the app switcher. Now this is what I do. 1. Swipe to the right with one finger until you come to an app. 2. Swipe up or down with one finger until the close app is selected, where app is the name of an app, and double tap anywhere with one finger. 3. If multiple apps are in the switcher, then just double tap anywhere with one finger until all you see is home. The reason is the close action is already selected for you. Now here is another way to close apps in the switcher. Basically it is the same, however swipe up with three fingers. This works no matter what action is selected in the rotor. Finally to close app switcher, either double tap anywhere with one finger on the home icon, or press the home button. Hope this helps. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 13/10/2013 10:22, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: Hello Tommy I need to try this for myself. So, from the main screen in iOS with VoiceOver active, how do you bring up the app switcher? I can switch apps visually and it’s really nice actually. But how do you initiate the app switcher with VoiceOver active? All or most of the gestures change. There is no longer the slide and twist type action which we use visually. Warm regards Lynne On 3 Oct 2013, at 15:57, Tommy Craig tecr...@earthlink.net wrote: Well you were miss informed about there not being a 64gb version of the 5S I have one. I was one of the crazy ones who stood in line on the 20th in the rain to get one. It is a great phone and I love it. It is much more responsive than the 4S. As far as size and shape it is virtually the same as the Iphone 5. Much lighter and thinner than my 4S was. I also got one of the new leather cases from Apple and it is great. Very thin and light. Very nice feel in your hand. As far as ios 7 goes I like it overall. There are a couple of minner issues such as the screen refreshing from time to time and VoiceOver is refreshed and so you loose you place in the app your in. Also when you close an app you don't always end up with the app highlighted on the screen. You end up with the first then on that page highlighted. One of the really nice things is the change to the app switcher. Instead of doing the double click and hold to close apps, you now just swipe down and you have choices to open or close that app. One of the hardest thing for me to teach new users was the double tap and hold gesture. Overall I like it a lot. I think a lot of low vission users don't like the color scheme of IOS 7. There are a number of things that you can do to make things easier to read though. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by
RE: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I'm going to upgrade there's have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
I hope it is fixed, because it really worked very nice. Now, it makes me crazy to bring Siri out and ask for things.. IT is a shame. Cheers! Daniela Rubio T iPhone: +34662328507 El 04/10/2013, a las 11:53, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com escribió: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I'm going to upgrade there's have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I'm going to upgrade there's have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I'm going to upgrade there's have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Chris, can you please give an example, a specific question asked, so that we can see what you mean? carol P Sent from my iPod On 4 Oct 2013, at 12:33 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I'm going to upgrade
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
When I asked it to check the weather, with VoiceOver on it will describe the current condition, the temperature, and a summary of the conditions for the next few days. With VoiceOver off all Siri says is, ok. here is the weather, and displays and not reads it. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 12:37, Carol Pearson wrote: Chris, can you please give an example, a specific question asked, so that we can see what you mean? carol P Sent from my iPod On 4 Oct 2013, at 12:33 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
OK, Chris, very interesting, especially as people are reporting that Siri seems to be working better without VO on. Thanks for this explanation. I'll look for more examples. carol P Sent from my iPod On 4 Oct 2013, at 12:43 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: When I asked it to check the weather, with VoiceOver on it will describe the current condition, the temperature, and a summary of the conditions for the next few days. With VoiceOver off all Siri says is, ok. here is the weather, and displays and not reads it. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 12:37, Carol Pearson wrote: Chris, can you please give an example, a specific question asked, so that we can see what you mean? carol P Sent from my iPod On 4 Oct 2013, at 12:33 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Yeah, maybe that's a benefit to us. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I'm going to upgrade there's have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras
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Yeah, I've noticed that. I hate to search for something with Siri, because it'll say Look and I discovered if I do a two finger swipe up the screen, I can see what she's telling me to look at, but this is a real bummer to me, I think. Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 6:33 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase
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Hei, a good idea! I think that we can gust used to new ways of doing things, but what I just don't like, is that Siri now is slow, and many times she says: I am sorry, but I can' help you at this time Daniela Rubio T iPhone: +34662328507 El 04/10/2013, a las 16:17, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net escribió: Yeah, I've noticed that. I hate to search for something with Siri, because it'll say Look and I discovered if I do a two finger swipe up the screen, I can see what she's telling me to look at, but this is a real bummer to me, I think. Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 6:33 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating
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I've heard that quite a bit. I've also heard: 'm sorry. I can take no more requests at this time. Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? Hei, a good idea! I think that we can gust used to new ways of doing things, but what I just don't like, is that Siri now is slow, and many times she says: I am sorry, but I can' help you at this time Daniela Rubio T iPhone: +34662328507 El 04/10/2013, a las 16:17, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net escribió: Yeah, I've noticed that. I hate to search for something with Siri, because it'll say Look and I discovered if I do a two finger swipe up the screen, I can see what she's telling me to look at, but this is a real bummer to me, I think. Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 6:33 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now
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For me and siri I don't use it for calls, ever. I never did as it has always failed there even in ios6. but as for asking it stuff, it works just fantastic for me. I can get stuff spot on. Just give it a few more weeks as there are millions of people right nor accessing the servers. If only it can do why the droid does and have most of that stuff like the dictation and contact calling take place off line, and on the device. Tc. On Oct 4, 2013, at 2:58 AM, Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com wrote: I hope it is fixed, because it really worked very nice. Now, it makes me crazy to bring Siri out and ask for things.. IT is a shame. Cheers! Daniela Rubio T iPhone: +34662328507 El 04/10/2013, a las 11:53, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com escribió: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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Sure. Try, what plains are above me. In fact go look at http://audioboo.fm/marrie1 and it should be the latest one there. I did a mini thing on that. Tc. On Oct 4, 2013, at 4:37 AM, Carol Pearson carol.pearso...@googlemail.com wrote: Chris, can you please give an example, a specific question asked, so that we can see what you mean? carol P Sent from my iPod On 4 Oct 2013, at 12:33 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the
RE: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Hi, Well you were miss informed about there not being a 64gb version of the 5S I have one. I was one of the crazy ones who stood in line on the 20th in the rain to get one. It is a great phone and I love it. It is much more responsive than the 4S. As far as size and shape it is virtually the same as the Iphone 5. Much lighter and thinner than my 4S was. I also got one of the new leather cases from Apple and it is great. Very thin and light. Very nice feel in your hand. As far as ios 7 goes I like it overall. There are a couple of minner issues such as the screen refreshing from time to time and VoiceOver is refreshed and so you loose you place in the app your in. Also when you close an app you don't always end up with the app highlighted on the screen. You end up with the first then on that page highlighted. One of the really nice things is the change to the app switcher. Instead of doing the double click and hold to close apps, you now just swipe down and you have choices to open or close that app. One of the hardest thing for me to teach new users was the double tap and hold gesture. Overall I like it a lot. I think a lot of low vission users don't like the color scheme of IOS 7. There are a number of things that you can do to make things easier to read though. Tommy -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 3:00 AM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I'm going to upgrade there's have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is particularly noticeable here. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person. Best, Zack. On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is particularly noticeable here. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free.
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Agreed Josh and I have the same device. I also don’t like the VO behaviour in the lock-screen. On 3 Oct 2013, at 15:03, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is particularly noticeable here. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be a problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching for books and putting them into the right colection tricky. Jane On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person. Best, Zack. On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is particularly noticeable here. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Hi Jane, This is weird. Dictation can be started by a two-finger double-tap, which is in fact one of my favorite new little features. I’ve never ad problems with a one-finger double tap. Best, Zack. On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be a problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching for books and putting them into the right colection tricky. Jane On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person. Best, Zack. On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is particularly noticeable here. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Edit fields in IOS7 are flakey though. In the IOS6 (and before) days, touching an edit field, whilst editing was ongoing, would only read it not set the focus to wherever in the field one happened to touch. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 16:30, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Jane, This is weird. Dictation can be started by a two-finger double-tap, which is in fact one of my favorite new little features. I’ve never ad problems with a one-finger double tap. Best, Zack. On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be a problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching for books and putting them into the right colection tricky. Jane On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person. Best, Zack. On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is particularly noticeable here. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Perhaps I got gestures confused. It's just that for some reason, when using my braille display to type in an edit field, it never taes the first time. I'll have to experiment. Jane On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Jane, This is weird. Dictation can be started by a two-finger double-tap, which is in fact one of my favorite new little features. I’ve never ad problems with a one-finger double tap. Best, Zack. On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be a problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching for books and putting them into the right colection tricky. Jane On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person. Best, Zack. On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is particularly noticeable here. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Same here. While I liked iOS 7 under iPhone 4, my experience has been tons better since I upgraded to the iPhone 4s. I love the Siri improvements, which are actually new to me as never got the chance to use Siri on iOS 5 and iOS 6. I also love the overall responsiveness. Whether this is the iPhone 4s itself or iOS 7 I don't know since I only had it a couple of days and not when the iPhoe 4s came out in 2011. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 03/10/2013 16:11, Zachary Kline wrote: I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person. Best, Zack. On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is particularly noticeable here. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive:
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
The issues I am having with Siri I am probably not aware of since I am new to Siri. I however do experience tiems where one time Siri can't handle requests but next time it can. But I can't blame that on iOS 7. So will put it down to something I get used to with Siri. After all Siri processes information from the phone to Apple's servers then returns a response back if it can. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 03/10/2013 14:57, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating sy stem as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Yes it is probably a bug in siri or it could be a issue wheir siri has two many request to process at one time. On 10/3/13, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: The issues I am having with Siri I am probably not aware of since I am new to Siri. I however do experience tiems where one time Siri can't handle requests but next time it can. But I can't blame that on iOS 7. So will put it down to something I get used to with Siri. After all Siri processes information from the phone to Apple's servers then returns a response back if it can. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 03/10/2013 14:57, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating sy stem as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Turn on reduced motion in settings general accessibility. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 03/10/2013 15:03, Josh Gregory wrote: I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is particularly noticeable here. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operat ing system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Lynn, if I am correct, the only significant functionality missing on iOS 7 under older phones, even the 4s, is the Airdrop feature, which I'm sure you're familiar with on the Os X platform. For others, it allows certain files to be transferred from one iOS device to another, over bluetooth or wifi. These files can include contacts, media including photos, and I believe links to iTunes Radio stations for those living in the U.S. The other significant function, only available in the 5s, is the ability to unlock your phone and authorize iTunes purchases just by using your fingerprint. The obvious reason for this is only the iPhone 5s has a fingerprint sensor built into the home button. Hope this helps. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 03/10/2013 09:00, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating syste m as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
The airdrop functionality is due to iPhone 4s and older models lacking the wifi chip technology to allow these transfers. On 10/3/13, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Lynn, if I am correct, the only significant functionality missing on iOS 7 under older phones, even the 4s, is the Airdrop feature, which I'm sure you're familiar with on the Os X platform. For others, it allows certain files to be transferred from one iOS device to another, over bluetooth or wifi. These files can include contacts, media including photos, and I believe links to iTunes Radio stations for those living in the U.S. The other significant function, only available in the 5s, is the ability to unlock your phone and authorize iTunes purchases just by using your fingerprint. The obvious reason for this is only the iPhone 5s has a fingerprint sensor built into the home button. Hope this helps. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 03/10/2013 09:00, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating syste m as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ -- Ways to Connect with me:
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Did that, did pretty much nothing to solve the issue... On 10/3/13, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Turn on reduced motion in settings general accessibility. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 03/10/2013 15:03, Josh Gregory wrote: I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is particularly noticeable here. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operat ing system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
I have trouble when sending an iMessage because the edit field doesn't seem to be just right there, like it was in IOS6. The keyboard seems to be extra sensitive now. Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:33 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? Edit fields in IOS7 are flakey though. In the IOS6 (and before) days, touching an edit field, whilst editing was ongoing, would only read it not set the focus to wherever in the field one happened to touch. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 16:30, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Jane, This is weird. Dictation can be started by a two-finger double-tap, which is in fact one of my favorite new little features. I’ve never ad problems with a one-finger double tap. Best, Zack. On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be a problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching for books and putting them into the right colection tricky. Jane On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person. Best, Zack. On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is particularly noticeable here. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
I don't see that problem in iMessage. Maybe it's only a sporadic problem. Ben J. Bloomgren Manager CLG Productions Http://www.clgproductions.com 704-256-0067 Hours: Nonday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Eastern accept holidays. On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:46, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: I have trouble when sending an iMessage because the edit field doesn't seem to be just right there, like it was in IOS6. The keyboard seems to be extra sensitive now. Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:33 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? Edit fields in IOS7 are flakey though. In the IOS6 (and before) days, touching an edit field, whilst editing was ongoing, would only read it not set the focus to wherever in the field one happened to touch. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 16:30, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Jane, This is weird. Dictation can be started by a two-finger double-tap, which is in fact one of my favorite new little features. I’ve never ad problems with a one-finger double tap. Best, Zack. On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be a problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching for books and putting them into the right colection tricky. Jane On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person. Best, Zack. On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is particularly noticeable here. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
I am running IOS 7.0.2 on an iPhone 4S and it is very accessible, but does have some annoying bugs. Half the time the two finger double tap to start and pause music doesn't work, and to get it to work again you have to shut the phone off, so this can be fairly annoying, and the other major issue which I am hoping is because I am still using a 4S is apps open much slower and Siri seems to take awhile to comprehend what you are dictating in to a text field. If you can live with some minor annoying issues than I would definitely upgrade. On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be a problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching for books and putting them into the right colection tricky. Jane On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person. Best, Zack. On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is particularly noticeable here. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I
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Yep gthat's what I shoed in my podcast on my site where it is. I have found vo to be a lot more responsive and I don't need that anyway as I get motion sick anyway lol! On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:48, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Turn on reduced motion in settings general accessibility. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 03/10/2013 15:03, Josh Gregory wrote: I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is particularly noticeable here. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operat ing system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from:
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It's not that the keboard is more sensitave it's just more responsive. Also the edit field is right there, 1 line at the bottom of the screen witht e send button beeing on the right hand corner. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:46, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: I have trouble when sending an iMessage because the edit field doesn't seem to be just right there, like it was in IOS6. The keyboard seems to be extra sensitive now. Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:33 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? Edit fields in IOS7 are flakey though. In the IOS6 (and before) days, touching an edit field, whilst editing was ongoing, would only read it not set the focus to wherever in the field one happened to touch. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 16:30, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Jane, This is weird. Dictation can be started by a two-finger double-tap, which is in fact one of my favorite new little features. I’ve never ad problems with a one-finger double tap. Best, Zack. On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Yes it is very accessible from a totally blind person's perspective. There is one conflict you need to be aware of. At least, I find it to be a problem. It's hard to double-tap on a field and type in text. Now, the microphone seems to think I want to ictate text. This an make searching for books and putting them into the right colection tricky. Jane On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: I’ve been using iOS 7 for a while now, and must say that the issues are very minor. Over all the experience is positive, for me as a totally blind person. Best, Zack. On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: I will agree… Of particular annoyance to me is the losing focus issue of voice over on iPhone 4s. Maybe this doesn't happen on other devices, but it is particularly noticeable here. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Lynne, Right here’s a departure from the fanboy culture for you. IOS7 is a mediocre release. There are various issues but of particular note is the way they have broken interaction with Siri. Lots of fairly clued-in people have commented on this on twitter but for me they need to really solve this one. Bluntly, the big game-changers in IOS7 aren’t in the realm of accessibility for blind people; rather they are in the inclusion of switch-based access. I’m not a user of these devices but word has it that they’ve done this fairly well. Dónal On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:54, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:57, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: I am running IOS 7.0.2 on an iPhone 4S and it is very accessible, but does have some annoying bugs. Half the time the two finger double tap to start and pause music doesn't work, and to get it to work again you have to shut the phone off, so this can be fairly annoying, Not for me. I can get it to work all the time. I have never in the 3 year I've owned a phone had that happen. I'd try reseting yoru phone to facttory settings and restorying as new to see if you can reproduce the issue. If you cannot something in the settings of yoru back up are corrupted. Tc. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net
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siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
I believe the graphics will adjust an dmove when your phone does. Might make one sea sick if they are prone to that. lol! Someone with sight can probably explain the feature better then I can. lol. On Oct 3, 2013, at 13:17, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: What do you mean by motion control? Can you please elaberate on that a bit? I'm very interested. chris. - Original Message - From: William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 4:14 PM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Yeah, I think you got that right. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the graphics will adjust an dmove when your phone does. Might make one sea sick if they are prone to that. lol! Someone with sight can probably explain the feature better then I can. lol. On Oct 3, 2013, at 13:17, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: What do you mean by motion control? Can you please elaberate on that a bit? I'm very interested. chris. - Original Message - From: William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 4:14 PM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I’m not interested in what the “fat cats” and the professional analysts say; I’m looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven’t gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple’s errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I’m going to upgrade there’s have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail
