Re: Sound Hound
Thanks. I truly appreciate your explanation of the buttons. I would never use a vague expression such as poorly labeled, I was very specific about these buttons not having ANY text label. The help for this app refers to the big orange button and a black button, I wrote to the dev that those of us who are totally blind cannot distinguish the color of a button to determine its function. I like this app, more than chazm (sp?), because I can read the lyrics, without them scrolling and wrapping on the screen. However, I would like to see the name of the song and artist without having to press another button after doing a search. Thanks again, Diane - Original Message - From: Geoff Waaler geoff.waa...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Sound Hound Hi Diane, On the results screen, I see three unlabeled buttons. one is directly below the word results and a second is in that same row on the left hand side. Lets call them UK1 and UK2 going left to right. Directly below UK2 is a button labeled with the name of the artist. Just from playing around in order to prepare my post, it would appear that the button I named UK1 will play a preview, or if the song is already in your library presents a choice between the standard preview, or your version. The other two above and below the artist will display a review of the album including it's contents. There are unlabeled buttons corresponding to every song title which will play samples. Remember that you can use the two-finger-double-tap-hold gesture to label elements, or relabel ones where you don't like the name -- for example, in the SoundHound search result window, you might want to change control infopage save to save. Bare in mind that we are a very small segment of the population, hence we often have to meet developers half way. Most have never had cause to use VoiceOver, so won't know what is meant by a badly labeled element, unless you can explain where they are and how they vary from the nicely labeled ones. Just my two cents. Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Diane Bomar To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Sound Hound Thanks, I am running ios 5.1.1, running the latest paid version of soundhound (5.0.1, I think). After searching for recognition of a song, several buttons come up. I can read the lyrics, at the bottom of the page, and the back button, but not the artist or song title. There are several buttons, at that point, and the next level, that are just button I would think that asking to have all elements labeled, would result in the developer looking at the code to determine which elements do not have text labels. Thanks, Diane - Original Message - From: Geoff Waaler geoff.waa...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:57 PM Subject: Re: Sound Hound Greetings Diane, I too am totally blind, but consider Soundhound to be very voiceover friendly. There are a few unlabeled buttons, which in my experience don't preclude the ability to fully exploit all features of interest to me. I understand your frustration with the developers response (kind of analogous to the 1980s vintage office sign reading: the beatings will continue until employee morale improves), but to be honest, I had the identical question upon reading your post. Perhaps if I try a different approach? 1. Can you verify that you're using the current version of SoundHound? 2. Is it the free or paid version (this probably doesn't affect the interface)? 3. Are you using the current IOS public release (5.1.1)? 4. What happens when you launch SoundHound -- is all text unreadable, and you see no discernible buttons? 5. If so, try using the back button in the upper left hand corner until you're on the home screen where all buttons are clearly labeled without any need for the label element ( two finger double tap and hold) gesture. If you cannot locate a back button, try the scrub gesture which is supported throughout the app). One of the available settings is to have SoundHound listen for music on startup, but for me, this screen is very clearly presented via VoiceOver. I can't imagine where you might be landing. Please let us know how you're getting on, and perhaps the list can be of more help if we know a bit more about where you're getting stuck. Best regards, Geoff - Original Message - From: Diane Bomar To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 4:57 AM Subject: Re: Sound Hound Yes, that is what I suggested. Haven't heard back. - Original Message - From: Gordon Keen gordonk...@googlemail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac
Re: Sound Hound
Yes, that is what I suggested. Haven't heard back. - Original Message - From: Gordon Keen gordonk...@googlemail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:57 AM Subject: Re: Sound Hound Why not suggest the dev switches voiceover on at their end and try to use their app without looking at the screen or turning the screen off? Then again it's a bit surprising they didn't think of that themselves! Regards G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. On 10 Jul 2012, at 06:42, Diane Bomar wrote: Do any of you use Soundhound on the iPhone? There are several buttons without text labels. When I wrote to the developer about this, asking them to put text labels on all of their elements, explaining that I am totally blind, and that many others using Iphones are also blind, they wrote back to me with the following message: What elements are you not able to see or distinguish inside of our app? Obviously, if I knew the answer to this question, there would not be a problem. So, do any of you know what these untagged buttons do? Thanks, --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Sound Hound
Greetings Diane, I too am totally blind, but consider Soundhound to be very voiceover friendly. There are a few unlabeled buttons, which in my experience don't preclude the ability to fully exploit all features of interest to me. I understand your frustration with the developers response (kind of analogous to the 1980s vintage office sign reading: the beatings will continue until employee morale improves), but to be honest, I had the identical question upon reading your post. Perhaps if I try a different approach? 1. Can you verify that you're using the current version of SoundHound? 2. Is it the free or paid version (this probably doesn't affect the interface)? 3. Are you using the current IOS public release (5.1.1)? 4. What happens when you launch SoundHound -- is all text unreadable, and you see no discernible buttons? 5. If so, try using the back button in the upper left hand corner until you're on the home screen where all buttons are clearly labeled without any need for the label element ( two finger double tap and hold) gesture. If you cannot locate a back button, try the scrub gesture which is supported throughout the app). One of the available settings is to have SoundHound listen for music on startup, but for me, this screen is very clearly presented via VoiceOver. I can't imagine where you might be landing. Please let us know how you're getting on, and perhaps the list can be of more help if we know a bit more about where you're getting stuck. Best regards, Geoff - Original Message - From: Diane Bomar To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 4:57 AM Subject: Re: Sound Hound Yes, that is what I suggested. Haven't heard back. - Original Message - From: Gordon Keen gordonk...@googlemail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:57 AM Subject: Re: Sound Hound Why not suggest the dev switches voiceover on at their end and try to use their app without looking at the screen or turning the screen off? Then again it's a bit surprising they didn't think of that themselves! Regards G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. On 10 Jul 2012, at 06:42, Diane Bomar wrote: Do any of you use Soundhound on the iPhone? There are several buttons without text labels. When I wrote to the developer about this, asking them to put text labels on all of their elements, explaining that I am totally blind, and that many others using Iphones are also blind, they wrote back to me with the following message: What elements are you not able to see or distinguish inside of our app? Obviously, if I knew the answer to this question, there would not be a problem. So, do any of you know what these untagged buttons do? Thanks, --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware
Re: Sound Hound
Thanks, I am running ios 5.1.1, running the latest paid version of soundhound (5.0.1, I think). After searching for recognition of a song, several buttons come up. I can read the lyrics, at the bottom of the page, and the back button, but not the artist or song title. There are several buttons, at that point, and the next level, that are just button I would think that asking to have all elements labeled, would result in the developer looking at the code to determine which elements do not have text labels. Thanks, Diane - Original Message - From: Geoff Waaler geoff.waa...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:57 PM Subject: Re: Sound Hound Greetings Diane, I too am totally blind, but consider Soundhound to be very voiceover friendly. There are a few unlabeled buttons, which in my experience don't preclude the ability to fully exploit all features of interest to me. I understand your frustration with the developers response (kind of analogous to the 1980s vintage office sign reading: the beatings will continue until employee morale improves), but to be honest, I had the identical question upon reading your post. Perhaps if I try a different approach? 1. Can you verify that you're using the current version of SoundHound? 2. Is it the free or paid version (this probably doesn't affect the interface)? 3. Are you using the current IOS public release (5.1.1)? 4. What happens when you launch SoundHound -- is all text unreadable, and you see no discernible buttons? 5. If so, try using the back button in the upper left hand corner until you're on the home screen where all buttons are clearly labeled without any need for the label element ( two finger double tap and hold) gesture. If you cannot locate a back button, try the scrub gesture which is supported throughout the app). One of the available settings is to have SoundHound listen for music on startup, but for me, this screen is very clearly presented via VoiceOver. I can't imagine where you might be landing. Please let us know how you're getting on, and perhaps the list can be of more help if we know a bit more about where you're getting stuck. Best regards, Geoff - Original Message - From: Diane Bomar To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 4:57 AM Subject: Re: Sound Hound Yes, that is what I suggested. Haven't heard back. - Original Message - From: Gordon Keen gordonk...@googlemail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:57 AM Subject: Re: Sound Hound Why not suggest the dev switches voiceover on at their end and try to use their app without looking at the screen or turning the screen off? Then again it's a bit surprising they didn't think of that themselves! Regards G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. On 10 Jul 2012, at 06:42, Diane Bomar wrote: Do any of you use Soundhound on the iPhone? There are several buttons without text labels. When I wrote to the developer about this, asking them to put text labels on all of their elements, explaining that I am totally blind, and that many others using Iphones are also blind, they wrote back to me with the following message: What elements are you not able to see or distinguish inside of our app? Obviously, if I knew the answer to this question, there would not be a problem. So, do any of you know what these untagged buttons do? Thanks, --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your
Re: Sound Hound
Hi Diane, On the results screen, I see three unlabeled buttons. one is directly below the word results and a second is in that same row on the left hand side. Lets call them UK1 and UK2 going left to right. Directly below UK2 is a button labeled with the name of the artist. Just from playing around in order to prepare my post, it would appear that the button I named UK1 will play a preview, or if the song is already in your library presents a choice between the standard preview, or your version. The other two above and below the artist will display a review of the album including it's contents. There are unlabeled buttons corresponding to every song title which will play samples. Remember that you can use the two-finger-double-tap-hold gesture to label elements, or relabel ones where you don't like the name -- for example, in the SoundHound search result window, you might want to change control infopage save to save. Bare in mind that we are a very small segment of the population, hence we often have to meet developers half way. Most have never had cause to use VoiceOver, so won't know what is meant by a badly labeled element, unless you can explain where they are and how they vary from the nicely labeled ones. Just my two cents. Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Diane Bomar To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Sound Hound Thanks, I am running ios 5.1.1, running the latest paid version of soundhound (5.0.1, I think). After searching for recognition of a song, several buttons come up. I can read the lyrics, at the bottom of the page, and the back button, but not the artist or song title. There are several buttons, at that point, and the next level, that are just button I would think that asking to have all elements labeled, would result in the developer looking at the code to determine which elements do not have text labels. Thanks, Diane - Original Message - From: Geoff Waaler geoff.waa...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:57 PM Subject: Re: Sound Hound Greetings Diane, I too am totally blind, but consider Soundhound to be very voiceover friendly. There are a few unlabeled buttons, which in my experience don't preclude the ability to fully exploit all features of interest to me. I understand your frustration with the developers response (kind of analogous to the 1980s vintage office sign reading: the beatings will continue until employee morale improves), but to be honest, I had the identical question upon reading your post. Perhaps if I try a different approach? 1. Can you verify that you're using the current version of SoundHound? 2. Is it the free or paid version (this probably doesn't affect the interface)? 3. Are you using the current IOS public release (5.1.1)? 4. What happens when you launch SoundHound -- is all text unreadable, and you see no discernible buttons? 5. If so, try using the back button in the upper left hand corner until you're on the home screen where all buttons are clearly labeled without any need for the label element ( two finger double tap and hold) gesture. If you cannot locate a back button, try the scrub gesture which is supported throughout the app). One of the available settings is to have SoundHound listen for music on startup, but for me, this screen is very clearly presented via VoiceOver. I can't imagine where you might be landing. Please let us know how you're getting on, and perhaps the list can be of more help if we know a bit more about where you're getting stuck. Best regards, Geoff - Original Message - From: Diane Bomar To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 4:57 AM Subject: Re: Sound Hound Yes, that is what I suggested. Haven't heard back. - Original Message - From: Gordon Keen gordonk...@googlemail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:57 AM Subject: Re: Sound Hound Why not suggest the dev switches voiceover on at their end and try to use their app without looking at the screen or turning the screen off? Then again it's a bit surprising they didn't think of that themselves! Regards G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. On 10 Jul 2012, at 06:42, Diane Bomar wrote: Do any of you use Soundhound on the iPhone? There are several buttons without text labels. When I wrote to the developer about this, asking them to put text labels on all of their elements, explaining that I am totally blind, and that many others using Iphones are also blind, they wrote back to me
