One-Line messages, [Was "Spaces on Mountain Lion"]

[Gordon, Lynne & Tracy]

Hi all

This is nothing personal, I just happen too be responding to Patricia's 
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quoted.  Could we all please try a little harder to have some consideration for 
those whose ISP imposes caps on throughput.  Quoting entire chains of messages 
just to ask a one-line question is wasteful in the extreme, and, again this is 
nothing personal, but the quoting of all that extraneous text is wasteful in 
the extreme.

This issue is one which is mentioned in the list policy document, but out is 
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little harder to have some consideration for our fellow list members who are on 
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Thank you for your cooperation and understanding.

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On 9 Nov 2012, at 11:22, Patricia Taylor  wrote:

Hi all ,can you please tell me what do you mean by Spaces on mountain lion ?

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Fwd: Spaces on Mountain Lion

[Patricia Taylor]

Hi all ,can you please tell me what do you mean by Spaces on mountain lion ?

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> From: Paul Hopewell 
> Subject: Re: Spaces on Mountain Lion
> Date: 29 October 2012 20:01:48 GMT
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
> Reply-To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
> 
> Hi Esther, 
> Many thanks for your prompt reply. Yes I originally thought that system 
> preferences would help me but on Mountain Lion I do not see any preference 
> panes related to spaces. I thought spaces might be3 a subset of mission 
> control or doc or desktop but alas no. Any ideas on what might have happened 
> to the prefrence pane for spaces in Mountain Lion? 
> 
> Is it possible that the default for Mountain Lion is to have two spaces each 
> with its own desktop? This configuration seems to survive system restarts so 
> maybe I cannot do anything about it? 
> I will go look at cocktail to see if that has anything in it related to 
> spaces. 
> Best regards
> 
> Paul Hopewell 
> On 29 Oct 2012, at 18:30, Esther  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> From memory, under System Preferences go to "Exposé & Spaces", then select 
>> the "Spaces" tab.  There should be a check boxes for enabling spaces and 
>> also shortcut key assignments.  I think I unchecked the options to enable 
>> spaces and set all the shortcut keys to "-".  Not sure this is exact for 
>> Mountain Lion, but I typically always disable the Exposé shortcuts, too.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Oct 29, 2012, at 07:57, Paul Hopewell wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Sarah, 
>>> YOu say you disabled spaces a long time ago. How did you disable spaces? 
>>> Maybe if I disable spaces the spaces I have accidentally created will go 
>>> away and I will never be troubled by spaces again. 
>>> Best regards.
>>> 
>>> Paul Hopewell
>>> On 29 Oct 2012, at 17:46, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I don't think there is a way for a vo user to remove spaces, so I heard 
>>>> through the grape vine. You have to do something with drag and drop but 
>>>> that's about all I know. I don't ben use spaces. I disabled that a long 
>>>> ish time ago.
>>>> 
>>>> Be blessed.
>>>> On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Paul Hopewell  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello, 
>>>>> I am running the latest version of Mountain Lion (10.8.2) on my iMac. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am concerned that I have somehow created multiple spaces. If I go to 
>>>>> mission control I see that there is a spaces list with entries titled 
>>>>> "exit to dashboard", "exit to desktop 1" and "exit to desktop 2". If this 
>>>>> means that there are multiple spaces on my screen then I don't want them. 
>>>>> How might they have been created and how can I get rid of them? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Many thanks for any tips on spaces. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paul Hopewell
>> 
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Re: Spaces on Mountain Lion

[Esther]

Hi Paul,

Rats! I composed a reply, got called a way, and then posted before I read your 
note.  Well, hopefully that Apple Knowledge Base document will help someone 
else.

As for how you created a space in the first place, the non-VoiceOver directions 
say you can create a new space when you "hover" your mouse over the top right 
corner of the screen in Mission Control and press "tab".  Maybe you 
accidentally navigated to the "Add Desktop" button in Spaces and used part of a 
keystroke to create a Space?

Glad you got that sorted.

Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:23, Paul Hopewell wrote:

> Hi Esther, 
> OK I have discovered that you can get rid of a space in Mountain Lion by 
> going to the mission control application and then interacting wit the list of 
> spaces and then moving the VO cursor to the space you want to get rid of. YOu 
> then press Control+Command+OPtion+Escape to close that space. This brings up 
> a confirm menu and you press Return to confirm that you really do want to get 
> rid of that space. 
> SO I have now got rid of the unwanted spaces, but am unclear how they got 
> created in the first place. 
> Best regards
> 
> Paul Hopewell

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Re: Spaces on Mountain Lion

[Esther]

Hi Paul,

Apparently the specifications for Spaces are now under Mission Control, and 
there may not be a way to disable Spaces -- the options don't seem to cover 
this. Try using the Apple Knowledge Base document on Mission Control for 
instructions on creating, navigating, and closing desktop spaces with 
VoiceOver.  Hopefully you can close the second desktop this way.
• VoiceOver Utility (Mountain Lion): Use Mission Control
http://support.apple.com/kb/PH5814

Here's the relevant section pasted in:

In Mission Control, a row of thumbnails across the top of the screen represents 
Dashboard, desktop spaces, and your full-screen apps. The lower part of the 
screen shows an Exposé view of the open windows on your desktop, grouped by app.

• Open Mission Control. If the Trackpad Commander is not turned on, you 
can swipe up on the trackpad using three fingers.
• Navigate to the Spaces list or Expose windows group by pressing 
VO-Left Arrow or VO-Right Arrow.
To add a desktop to the Spaces list, navigate to the Add Desktop button, 
located immediately after the Spaces List.

• Interact with the Spaces list or the Expose windows group by pressing 
VO-Shift-Down Arrow.
• Navigate to an item in the list or group by pressing VO-Up Arrow or 
VO-Down Arrow until you hear the item you want to work with.
• To work with the selected item, such as a desktop, press 
VO-Space bar.

• To close the selected desktop, press VO-Command-Escape, and 
then confirm your action by pressing Return.

To exit Mission Control without making a selection, press Escape or swipe down 
with three fingers.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:01, Paul Hopewell wrote:

> Hi Esther, 
> Many thanks for your prompt reply. Yes I originally thought that system 
> preferences would help me but on Mountain Lion I do not see any preference 
> panes related to spaces. I thought spaces might be3 a subset of mission 
> control or doc or desktop but alas no. Any ideas on what might have happened 
> to the prefrence pane for spaces in Mountain Lion? 
> 
> Is it possible that the default for Mountain Lion is to have two spaces each 
> with its own desktop? This configuration seems to survive system restarts so 
> maybe I cannot do anything about it? 
> I will go look at cocktail to see if that has anything in it related to 
> spaces. 
> Best regards
> 
> Paul Hopewell 
> On 29 Oct 2012, at 18:30, Esther  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> From memory, under System Preferences go to "Exposé & Spaces", then select 
>> the "Spaces" tab.  There should be a check boxes for enabling spaces and 
>> also shortcut key assignments.  I think I unchecked the options to enable 
>> spaces and set all the shortcut keys to "-".  Not sure this is exact for 
>> Mountain Lion, but I typically always disable the Exposé shortcuts, too.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
 
 On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Paul Hopewell  
 wrote:
 
> Hello, 
> I am running the latest version of Mountain Lion (10.8.2) on my iMac. 
> 
> I am concerned that I have somehow created multiple spaces. If I go to 
> mission control I see that there is a spaces list with entries titled 
> "exit to dashboard", "exit to desktop 1" and "exit to desktop 2". If this 
> means that there are multiple spaces on my screen then I don't want them. 
> How might they have been created and how can I get rid of them? 
> 
> Many thanks for any tips on spaces. 
> 
> Best regards.
> 
> Paul Hopewell

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Re: Spaces on Mountain Lion

[Paul Hopewell]

Hi Esther, 
OK I have discovered that you can get rid of a space in Mountain Lion by going 
to the mission control application and then interacting wit the list of spaces 
and then moving the VO cursor to the space you want to get rid of. YOu then 
press Control+Command+OPtion+Escape to close that space. This brings up a 
confirm menu and you press Return to confirm that you really do want to get rid 
of that space. 
SO I have now got rid of the unwanted spaces, but am unclear how they got 
created in the first place. 
Best regards

Paul Hopewell
On 29 Oct 2012, at 18:30, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> 
> From memory, under System Preferences go to "Exposé & Spaces", then select 
> the "Spaces" tab.  There should be a check boxes for enabling spaces and also 
> shortcut key assignments.  I think I unchecked the options to enable spaces 
> and set all the shortcut keys to "-".  Not sure this is exact for Mountain 
> Lion, but I typically always disable the Exposé shortcuts, too.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Oct 29, 2012, at 07:57, Paul Hopewell wrote:
> 
>> Hi Sarah, 
>> YOu say you disabled spaces a long time ago. How did you disable spaces? 
>> Maybe if I disable spaces the spaces I have accidentally created will go 
>> away and I will never be troubled by spaces again. 
>> Best regards.
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell
>> On 29 Oct 2012, at 17:46, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't think there is a way for a vo user to remove spaces, so I heard 
>>> through the grape vine. You have to do something with drag and drop but 
>>> that's about all I know. I don't ben use spaces. I disabled that a long ish 
>>> time ago.
>>> 
>>> Be blessed.
>>> On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Paul Hopewell  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hello, 
 I am running the latest version of Mountain Lion (10.8.2) on my iMac. 
 
 I am concerned that I have somehow created multiple spaces. If I go to 
 mission control I see that there is a spaces list with entries titled 
 "exit to dashboard", "exit to desktop 1" and "exit to desktop 2". If this 
 means that there are multiple spaces on my screen then I don't want them. 
 How might they have been created and how can I get rid of them? 
 
 Many thanks for any tips on spaces. 
 
 Best regards.
 
 Paul Hopewell
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Re: Spaces on Mountain Lion

[Paul Hopewell]

Hi Esther, 
Many thanks for your prompt reply. Yes I originally thought that system 
preferences would help me but on Mountain Lion I do not see any preference 
panes related to spaces. I thought spaces might be3 a subset of mission control 
or doc or desktop but alas no. Any ideas on what might have happened to the 
prefrence pane for spaces in Mountain Lion? 

Is it possible that the default for Mountain Lion is to have two spaces each 
with its own desktop? This configuration seems to survive system restarts so 
maybe I cannot do anything about it? 
I will go look at cocktail to see if that has anything in it related to spaces. 
Best regards

Paul Hopewell 
On 29 Oct 2012, at 18:30, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> 
> From memory, under System Preferences go to "Exposé & Spaces", then select 
> the "Spaces" tab.  There should be a check boxes for enabling spaces and also 
> shortcut key assignments.  I think I unchecked the options to enable spaces 
> and set all the shortcut keys to "-".  Not sure this is exact for Mountain 
> Lion, but I typically always disable the Exposé shortcuts, too.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Oct 29, 2012, at 07:57, Paul Hopewell wrote:
> 
>> Hi Sarah, 
>> YOu say you disabled spaces a long time ago. How did you disable spaces? 
>> Maybe if I disable spaces the spaces I have accidentally created will go 
>> away and I will never be troubled by spaces again. 
>> Best regards.
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell
>> On 29 Oct 2012, at 17:46, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't think there is a way for a vo user to remove spaces, so I heard 
>>> through the grape vine. You have to do something with drag and drop but 
>>> that's about all I know. I don't ben use spaces. I disabled that a long ish 
>>> time ago.
>>> 
>>> Be blessed.
>>> On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Paul Hopewell  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hello, 
 I am running the latest version of Mountain Lion (10.8.2) on my iMac. 
 
 I am concerned that I have somehow created multiple spaces. If I go to 
 mission control I see that there is a spaces list with entries titled 
 "exit to dashboard", "exit to desktop 1" and "exit to desktop 2". If this 
 means that there are multiple spaces on my screen then I don't want them. 
 How might they have been created and how can I get rid of them? 
 
 Many thanks for any tips on spaces. 
 
 Best regards.
 
 Paul Hopewell
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Re: Spaces on Mountain Lion

[Esther]

Hi Paul,

From memory, under System Preferences go to "Exposé & Spaces", then select the 
"Spaces" tab.  There should be a check boxes for enabling spaces and also 
shortcut key assignments.  I think I unchecked the options to enable spaces and 
set all the shortcut keys to "-".  Not sure this is exact for Mountain Lion, 
but I typically always disable the Exposé shortcuts, too.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther
  
On Oct 29, 2012, at 07:57, Paul Hopewell wrote:

> Hi Sarah, 
> YOu say you disabled spaces a long time ago. How did you disable spaces? 
> Maybe if I disable spaces the spaces I have accidentally created will go away 
> and I will never be troubled by spaces again. 
> Best regards.
> 
> Paul Hopewell
> On 29 Oct 2012, at 17:46, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> 
>> I don't think there is a way for a vo user to remove spaces, so I heard 
>> through the grape vine. You have to do something with drag and drop but 
>> that's about all I know. I don't ben use spaces. I disabled that a long ish 
>> time ago.
>> 
>> Be blessed.
>> On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, 
>>> I am running the latest version of Mountain Lion (10.8.2) on my iMac. 
>>> 
>>> I am concerned that I have somehow created multiple spaces. If I go to 
>>> mission control I see that there is a spaces list with entries titled "exit 
>>> to dashboard", "exit to desktop 1" and "exit to desktop 2". If this means 
>>> that there are multiple spaces on my screen then I don't want them. How 
>>> might they have been created and how can I get rid of them? 
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for any tips on spaces. 
>>> 
>>> Best regards.
>>> 
>>> Paul Hopewell

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Re: Spaces on Mountain Lion

[Paul Hopewell]

Hi Sarah, 
YOu say you disabled spaces a long time ago. How did you disable spaces? Maybe 
if I disable spaces the spaces I have accidentally created will go away and I 
will never be troubled by spaces again. 
Best regards.

Paul Hopewell
On 29 Oct 2012, at 17:46, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

> I don't think there is a way for a vo user to remove spaces, so I heard 
> through the grape vine. You have to do something with drag and drop but 
> that's about all I know. I don't ben use spaces. I disabled that a long ish 
> time ago.
> 
> Be blessed.
> On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
>> Hello, 
>> I am running the latest version of Mountain Lion (10.8.2) on my iMac. 
>> 
>> I am concerned that I have somehow created multiple spaces. If I go to 
>> mission control I see that there is a spaces list with entries titled "exit 
>> to dashboard", "exit to desktop 1" and "exit to desktop 2". If this means 
>> that there are multiple spaces on my screen then I don't want them. How 
>> might they have been created and how can I get rid of them? 
>> 
>> Many thanks for any tips on spaces. 
>> 
>> Best regards.
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell
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Re: Spaces on Mountain Lion

[Sarah Alawami]

I don't think there is a way for a vo user to remove spaces, so I heard through 
the grape vine. You have to do something with drag and drop but that's about 
all I know. I don't ben use spaces. I disabled that a long ish time ago.

Be blessed.
On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:

> Hello, 
> I am running the latest version of Mountain Lion (10.8.2) on my iMac. 
> 
> I am concerned that I have somehow created multiple spaces. If I go to 
> mission control I see that there is a spaces list with entries titled "exit 
> to dashboard", "exit to desktop 1" and "exit to desktop 2". If this means 
> that there are multiple spaces on my screen then I don't want them. How might 
> they have been created and how can I get rid of them? 
> 
> Many thanks for any tips on spaces. 
> 
> Best regards.
> 
> Paul Hopewell
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