Re: iTunes 11
Hi Sarah Actually I have the sidebar visible. Lynne helped me out of the frustration I was in. Although I'm still a little frustrated by certain aspects of iTunes 11. For instance, when I search for an album the only way I found to display its track info was to add it to Up Next. Now, even that does not seem to work and I keep getting placed into an album grid which show all albums. So I cannot easily select the tracks I want and then create a playlist based on the selection. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 16 Jun 2013, at 18:52, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Are you in classic view? if not go to view and if it says show side bar hit enter on it. Now you should be able to do what you want to be doing regarding playlists. On Jun 16, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, but iTunes is causing me a great deal of frustration of late. I am trying to create playlists using contiguous track listings of an album. So, I do a search in my library for the album title. The title is displayed and I hit enter on the album to add it to the up Next In the last version of iTunes, the albums tracks would then be displayed. But now, if I move the cursor down the list I get an album grid and it just goes on to something else which is not what I searched for. Where am I going wrong herE? Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list
iTunes 11
Hi all Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, but iTunes is causing me a great deal of frustration of late. I am trying to create playlists using contiguous track listings of an album. So, I do a search in my library for the album title. The title is displayed and I hit enter on the album to add it to the up Next In the last version of iTunes, the albums tracks would then be displayed. But now, if I move the cursor down the list I get an album grid and it just goes on to something else which is not what I searched for. Where am I going wrong herE? Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11
Are you in classic view? if not go to view and if it says show side bar hit enter on it. Now you should be able to do what you want to be doing regarding playlists. On Jun 16, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, but iTunes is causing me a great deal of frustration of late. I am trying to create playlists using contiguous track listings of an album. So, I do a search in my library for the album title. The title is displayed and I hit enter on the album to add it to the up Next In the last version of iTunes, the albums tracks would then be displayed. But now, if I move the cursor down the list I get an album grid and it just goes on to something else which is not what I searched for. Where am I going wrong herE? Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Help with iTunes 11
I have a few questions about iTunes 11 on my mac using lion. 1. How do I bring up all my music that I imported into iTunes through add to library? 2. How do I create a pay list? 3. Where do I find all my music externally so if I want to add my music I can like you can in windows. Thanks for your help. Margaret Sent from my iPhone --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Help with iTunes 11
You can find all of you're music in the music iTunes iTunes media and then music folder all the music you have imported from cd iPhone or downloaded from iTunes will be in their. Yes you can create a playlist to create a playlist first open file menu then select new playlist next you will have to choose a name for you're playlist then after that you have to drag the songs to you're playlist then that is it you have successfully created you're playlist. On 5/31/13, Margaret margaretebo...@gmail.com wrote: I have a few questions about iTunes 11 on my mac using lion. 1. How do I bring up all my music that I imported into iTunes through add to library? 2. How do I create a pay list? 3. Where do I find all my music externally so if I want to add my music I can like you can in windows. Thanks for your help. Margaret Sent from my iPhone --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ -- Isaac Hebert iMessage 2547608981 Skype gold_wildcat facebook and email isaac.heb...@gmail.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
iTunes 11: How To Create Free Ringtone and Text Tone | The iPhone and iPad Blog
Hi, I think it was on here that somebody was asking, long time ago, how to create ring tones on the Mac. I've been wondering this myself and have been able to do it, up until now, with music converter Pro. However, this application has been giving me issues, so I went online and found a page on how to do it in iTunes. I figured I would share for people that have been having problems with doing this. Hope someone finds this helpful. Thank you. http://www.simonblog.com/2012/12/01/itunes-11-how-to-create-free-ringtone-and-text-tone/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11: How To Create Free Ringtone and Text Tone | The iPhone and iPad Blog
Hi again! I'm sorry I forgot to say before if you want the tone to show up as a dedicated text alert do not make it longer than 30 seconds or it will not show up as a option under text alerts on the iPhone! Colin On 1 Apr 2013, at 01:57, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. Yeah I do the same in amadeus and just rename the m4a to m4r. Good luck. On Mar 31, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think it was on here that somebody was asking, long time ago, how to create ring tones on the Mac. I've been wondering this myself and have been able to do it, up until now, with music converter Pro. However, this application has been giving me issues, so I went online and found a page on how to do it in iTunes. I figured I would share for people that have been having problems with doing this. Hope someone finds this helpful. Thank you. http://www.simonblog.com/2012/12/01/itunes-11-how-to-create-free-ringtone-and-text-tone/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11: How To Create Free Ringtone and Text Tone | The iPhone and iPad Blog
Oh cool and thx and np :) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote: Hi again! I'm sorry I forgot to say before if you want the tone to show up as a dedicated text alert do not make it longer than 30 seconds or it will not show up as a option under text alerts on the iPhone! Colin On 1 Apr 2013, at 01:57, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. Yeah I do the same in amadeus and just rename the m4a to m4r. Good luck. On Mar 31, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think it was on here that somebody was asking, long time ago, how to create ring tones on the Mac. I've been wondering this myself and have been able to do it, up until now, with music converter Pro. However, this application has been giving me issues, so I went online and found a page on how to do it in iTunes. I figured I would share for people that have been having problems with doing this. Hope someone finds this helpful. Thank you. http://www.simonblog.com/2012/12/01/itunes-11-how-to-create-free-ringtone-and-text-tone/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update
Re: iTunes 11: How To Create Free Ringtone and Text Tone | The iPhone and iPad Blog
lol. Yeah I have known how to do this for about 2 or 3 years now. lol. but My ring tones fair in and out and do fancy things so I use amadeus lol! but iTunes works if you don't want to do fancy things. Hehaha. Take care. On Mar 31, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Oh cool and thx and np :) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote: Hi again! I'm sorry I forgot to say before if you want the tone to show up as a dedicated text alert do not make it longer than 30 seconds or it will not show up as a option under text alerts on the iPhone! Colin On 1 Apr 2013, at 01:57, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. Yeah I do the same in amadeus and just rename the m4a to m4r. Good luck. On Mar 31, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think it was on here that somebody was asking, long time ago, how to create ring tones on the Mac. I've been wondering this myself and have been able to do it, up until now, with music converter Pro. However, this application has been giving me issues, so I went online and found a page on how to do it in iTunes. I figured I would share for people that have been having problems with doing this. Hope someone finds this helpful. Thank you. http://www.simonblog.com/2012/12/01/itunes-11-how-to-create-free-ringtone-and-text-tone/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot
Re: Source table in itunes 11
cmd option s will do it for you. Take care. On Feb 22, 2013, at 9:47 AM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: Hi guys, I've got itunes up and running with icloud. The only problem I'm having, is I can't hide the old source table, and bring it back to the new itunes 11 version. I've tried command option s, but its not working How do I fix it? Also how do I bring up the menu bar? Typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@outlook.com George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Source table in itunes 11
Sorry, I did not understand those commands. George, Sent from my iPad On 23/02/2013, at 5:53 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: cmd option s will do it for you. Take care. On Feb 22, 2013, at 9:47 AM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: Hi guys, I've got itunes up and running with icloud. The only problem I'm having, is I can't hide the old source table, and bring it back to the new itunes 11 version. I've tried command option s, but its not working How do I fix it? Also how do I bring up the menu bar? Typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@outlook.com George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Source table in itunes 11
Cmd is short for command, which is right beside the space bar. The option key is right next to the command key. Hope this helps, somewhat Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2013, at 2:41 PM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: Sorry, I did not understand those commands. George, Sent from my iPad On 23/02/2013, at 5:53 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: cmd option s will do it for you. Take care. On Feb 22, 2013, at 9:47 AM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: Hi guys, I've got itunes up and running with icloud. The only problem I'm having, is I can't hide the old source table, and bring it back to the new itunes 11 version. I've tried command option s, but its not working How do I fix it? Also how do I bring up the menu bar? Typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@outlook.com George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Source table in itunes 11
command option s is the key stroke to hit from with in iTunes. This is the same keystroke you can use to show hide the side bar in the finder. On Feb 22, 2013, at 11:41 AM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: Sorry, I did not understand those commands. George, Sent from my iPad On 23/02/2013, at 5:53 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: cmd option s will do it for you. Take care. On Feb 22, 2013, at 9:47 AM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: Hi guys, I've got itunes up and running with icloud. The only problem I'm having, is I can't hide the old source table, and bring it back to the new itunes 11 version. I've tried command option s, but its not working How do I fix it? Also how do I bring up the menu bar? Typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@outlook.com George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Source table in itunes 11
Hi, I'm pressing option command s while the focus is on music, is that what should be happening? Because the source table is not closing. George, Sent from my iPad On 23/02/2013, at 6:51 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Cmd is short for command, which is right beside the space bar. The option key is right next to the command key. Hope this helps, somewhat Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2013, at 2:41 PM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: Sorry, I did not understand those commands. George, Sent from my iPad On 23/02/2013, at 5:53 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: cmd option s will do it for you. Take care. On Feb 22, 2013, at 9:47 AM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: Hi guys, I've got itunes up and running with icloud. The only problem I'm having, is I can't hide the old source table, and bring it back to the new itunes 11 version. I've tried command option s, but its not working How do I fix it? Also how do I bring up the menu bar? Typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@outlook.com George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please
Re: Source table in itunes 11
I thought you wanted the source table. If os press command option s and see if the sources table appears. then arrow down to what ever you want to do. to get it to go in to the new layout, which I personally hate because it is not as easy to manually manage music on an ios device with out the classic layout, hit cmd option s and the table will go away and you will have the combo box instead. See an example here. http://www.tffppodcast.com/looking-at-itunes-11/ Take care. On Feb 22, 2013, at 12:45 PM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: Hi, I'm pressing option command s while the focus is on music, is that what should be happening? Because the source table is not closing. George, Sent from my iPad On 23/02/2013, at 6:51 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Cmd is short for command, which is right beside the space bar. The option key is right next to the command key. Hope this helps, somewhat Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2013, at 2:41 PM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: Sorry, I did not understand those commands. George, Sent from my iPad On 23/02/2013, at 5:53 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: cmd option s will do it for you. Take care. On Feb 22, 2013, at 9:47 AM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: Hi guys, I've got itunes up and running with icloud. The only problem I'm having, is I can't hide the old source table, and bring it back to the new itunes 11 version. I've tried command option s, but its not working How do I fix it? Also how do I bring up the menu bar? Typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@outlook.com George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft
Re: Source table in itunes 11
George, in the View menu, there are entries for showing or hiding bothe the status bar and the Side bar. press VO + M to enter the menus, arrow over to the View menu and press VO+down arrow. then find the show or hide side bar entry and hit enter. - Original Message - From: George Cham george.c...@outlook.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 3:45 PM Subject: Re: Source table in itunes 11 Hi, I'm pressing option command s while the focus is on music, is that what should be happening? Because the source table is not closing. George, Sent from my iPad On 23/02/2013, at 6:51 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Cmd is short for command, which is right beside the space bar. The option key is right next to the command key. Hope this helps, somewhat Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2013, at 2:41 PM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: Sorry, I did not understand those commands. George, Sent from my iPad On 23/02/2013, at 5:53 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: cmd option s will do it for you. Take care. On Feb 22, 2013, at 9:47 AM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: Hi guys, I've got itunes up and running with icloud. The only problem I'm having, is I can't hide the old source table, and bring it back to the new itunes 11 version. I've tried command option s, but its not working How do I fix it? Also how do I bring up the menu bar? Typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@outlook.com George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac
Re: Source table in itunes 11
Yeah the cmd option s key stroke is a lot quicker lol! Thats is btw not documented any ware as far as I know. Take care. On Feb 22, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote: George, in the View menu, there are entries for showing or hiding bothe the status bar and the Side bar. press VO + M to enter the menus, arrow over to the View menu and press VO+down arrow. then find the show or hide side bar entry and hit enter. - Original Message - From: George Cham george.c...@outlook.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 3:45 PM Subject: Re: Source table in itunes 11 Hi, I'm pressing option command s while the focus is on music, is that what should be happening? Because the source table is not closing. George, Sent from my iPad On 23/02/2013, at 6:51 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Cmd is short for command, which is right beside the space bar. The option key is right next to the command key. Hope this helps, somewhat Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2013, at 2:41 PM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: Sorry, I did not understand those commands. George, Sent from my iPad On 23/02/2013, at 5:53 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: cmd option s will do it for you. Take care. On Feb 22, 2013, at 9:47 AM, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote: Hi guys, I've got itunes up and running with icloud. The only problem I'm having, is I can't hide the old source table, and bring it back to the new itunes 11 version. I've tried command option s, but its not working How do I fix it? Also how do I bring up the menu bar? Typed with Fleksy reply://george.c...@outlook.com George, Sent from my iPad --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted
Re: iTunes 11
Hi I think this is just one of those cases of culture shock. Having used iTunes extensively for the last not far short of 8 years, and having seen the interface evolve into what was iTunes 10.7 which I regarded as excellent, I think the sudden and massive changes we're now faced with in the iTunes 11 interface, it just totally threw me. I'm slowly getting used to the interface and I have read with interest everybody's comments on list on this topic. Thank you all for your input, it has been appreciated. I think I just need to continue to familiarise myself with the new layout. But, I am encouraged by the fact that most others have managed to do so, by the sounds of things. So, again, thanks all for your input. Gordon On 7 Jan 2013, at 19:25, Randy Stegall randy_steg...@att.net wrote: I use the songs radio button and have show column browser checked under view options. Ypou can turn on the side bar just as you had it in iTunes 10 if you like. I hope this is of some help. Randy On Jan 6, 2013, at 11:31 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Zack My negative comments reflect my disappointment, to be honest. But let me be absolutely clear that I am aware that people are trying to be helpful and yes, it is appreciated. OK, let me try to make this a little clear. I am typing a search string into the search bar. Then, I try navigating the screen using the VoiceOver navigation commands. I just sen to get stuck in the same dialogue all the time and nothing resembling my search appears to be displayed even though I know for an absolute fact that it exists. OK, let me be a little more concise. In my library, I have several albums named Now That's What I Call Music, with different numbers for each album. OK, so I make sure that the Albums radio button is highlighted. Then, I typ into the search bar: Now That's What I Call Music, (without the quotes). You may notice if you have Braille that I am exact as far as case is concerned. The albums exist and sometimes, I get lucky and land on the album I want. OK, so I hear Album Grid. I try to interact with that Album Grid, but I don't get the track information. Again, sometimes if I'm lucky I might land on the track list. But as yet, I cannot figure out what I do when this happens, it seems to be random. I'm sorry if I come across as negative. I really don't mean to be negative. You are aware, I believe, that I am very committed to Apple's products, and I'm a staunch supporter of what Apple is doing. You and I, Zack, have both been part of other forums where this commitment is an essential. But I'm not going to say that everything is terrific if it isn't, just because it's Apple. And to be clear, that is in no way a personal comment aimed at anybody. I am merely making my position clear. it may be, in the fullness of time, that I grow accustomed to the new interface. It may be that I even come to like it. That has happened before with other things and I'm sure it will happen again. So given the scenario I quoted above, where am I going wrong? Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Gordon Smith --- If you wish to contact me privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance, before you try the below. Please also observe time differences. I prefer telephone calls by prior arrangement where possible. E-Mail: gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: callto:mac-access.net -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive
Re: iTunes 11
Hi Randy I remember you from elsewhere actually and I continue to inwardly smile each time I see a former colleague in that group appearing on the Mac side of things. :) Anyway, back to the point. it's really really tedious at times with a large library. Whoever said that all artists used different titles for their tracks and, of course, there are always going to be duplicated phrases. But I am sure I'll get used to it if I continue to play with it. Our music library is massive, to be honest, and I do not relish the thought of having to totally rebuild it. Thanks. Gordon On 7 Jan 2013, at 19:34, Randy Stegall randy_steg...@att.net wrote: Gordon, when I use the search field I hear the sound and can down arrow through the selections that are announced by VO add to up next. I haven't tried choosing one to see what happens, but I think I can see where this could be a problem with such a large library. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11
Hi Josh, and all Yes, the Command+Shift+S key combo does hide the sidebar and I believe it toggles it so that if you've hidden it, you can show it again by repeat pressing the combo. However, it still doesn't solve my problem. I am sure it's me, rather than the software itself. We humans are generally very slow to react to sudden change. That is an inherent flaw in the species. In cases such as this, I would guesstimate that others have had far more opportunity to play with the new build than I. Thus, they have familiarised themselves much more quickly than have I. But all the same, having walked away and kind of settled myself down somewhat, I think that, although initially I dislike the new interface, I need to persevere with it because there will most likely come a time in the not too distant future when I actually need to be familiar with the layout. So, I shall keep on trying to find ways around my iTunes issues and, hopefully within time, I too will come to like the new layout as have others. Gordon On 7 Jan 2013, at 05:19, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, that is what I meant… I guess dictation kind of messed that up,:-) I See what you mean about downgrading. :-) Send from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: hi Josh Sorry, pressing what? Command+Option+ what was that supposed to be? I think you may have made a typo there. :) I'll try Command+Option+S, in case that was what you meant. As for downgrading, I'd love too! But that would involve rebuilding my library over again because the format changed I believe with iTunes 11. Besides which, if I just dump the interface now, I will be forever curious as to whether in time I grew to like it. I don't believe in downgrading unless there are really compelling reasons to do so. Thanks. Gordon On 7 Jan 2013, at 03:54, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: What about pressing command plus option plus us to hide the status bar or I think that's what it does? That should bring up the table things. I do know someone however, that went back to iTunes 10.7 because they were unhappy about the fact that they took out the power search, and reading in the Apple support website I see that a lot of people have done the same… Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: It would be very interesting to hear how people are finding the interface as far as easy navigation with VoiceOver is concerned. Also, a description of the methodology behind it would be quite useful. Not that this is really related, and it is most definitely not in any way a dig, or a criticism or a negative comment. But I often notice that some of the people commenting on these items are using Windows for mail if nothing else. Again, it isn't really important, it's just something I notice. I just wonder sometimes why people do that. But, of course, it's each to their own. And it is true to say that some people do it out of necessity as they are required to use Windows at work. Anyway, there we are. I guess it's each to their own. But even now after being forced to tolerate the new interface, I cannot honestly say I have found anything about it which justifies the change, nor can I say I've found anything about it which I like. :) Gordon On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:25, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote: I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also helped a good deal. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated
Re: iTunes 11
Hi Anne yes, this works well if you are searching for a song and you only want that one track. However, our library is horrendously large, well over 50,000 tracks I would guess. Therefore, I need to find a way to move by album or something if the search box is going to be problematic. Yes, one could use the radio buttons I guess and, first navigate by artist, genre or other relevant fields. However, with a large library that method is going to prove extremely time-consuming. In iTunes 10, the search box was, for me at least, utterly invaluable. But now it just grunts at me which, as Zack said earlier, is probably VoiceOver doing something. However, I guess I'm going to have to b a little innovative. I'll find a solution to the problem somewhere, I'm going to have too. Thanks for your input, it's appreciated. Gordon On 7 Jan 2013, at 07:14, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Gordon, I find that the search box is only useful if I'm looking for a song and don't know the title except for a word or two. Otherwise, I click the Songs button and navigate down to where the Browser is. There, I interact and navigate to the column that interests me (Genre, Artist or album) and type in a few letters. When I find what I want, I stop interacting and navigate down to the Songs table. Cheers, Anne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Gordon Smith --- If you wish to contact me privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance, before you try the below. Please also observe time differences. I prefer telephone calls by prior arrangement where possible. E-Mail: gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: callto:mac-access.net -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
iTunes 11 [Revisited]
Hi all OK, I have now finally got my head around the new interface and yes, I will freely admit that I allowed my impatience to get the better of me when I played with it previously. Odd thing is that you'd think that almost 40 hours of none-stop work on a project would dull the senses. Seems not, and now I have finally found my footing in iTunes again. So thank you to those who offered assistance. I guess I won't need to trouble the group any further with my iTunes problems. :) Gordon --- Gordon Smith --- If you wish to contact me privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance, before you try the below. Please also observe time differences. I prefer telephone calls by prior arrangement where possible. E-Mail: gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: callto:mac-access.net -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11
I use the songs radio button and have show column browser checked under view options. Ypou can turn on the side bar just as you had it in iTunes 10 if you like. I hope this is of some help. Randy On Jan 6, 2013, at 11:31 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Zack My negative comments reflect my disappointment, to be honest. But let me be absolutely clear that I am aware that people are trying to be helpful and yes, it is appreciated. OK, let me try to make this a little clear. I am typing a search string into the search bar. Then, I try navigating the screen using the VoiceOver navigation commands. I just sen to get stuck in the same dialogue all the time and nothing resembling my search appears to be displayed even though I know for an absolute fact that it exists. OK, let me be a little more concise. In my library, I have several albums named Now That's What I Call Music, with different numbers for each album. OK, so I make sure that the Albums radio button is highlighted. Then, I typ into the search bar: Now That's What I Call Music, (without the quotes). You may notice if you have Braille that I am exact as far as case is concerned. The albums exist and sometimes, I get lucky and land on the album I want. OK, so I hear Album Grid. I try to interact with that Album Grid, but I don't get the track information. Again, sometimes if I'm lucky I might land on the track list. But as yet, I cannot figure out what I do when this happens, it seems to be random. I'm sorry if I come across as negative. I really don't mean to be negative. You are aware, I believe, that I am very committed to Apple's products, and I'm a staunch supporter of what Apple is doing. You and I, Zack, have both been part of other forums where this commitment is an essential. But I'm not going to say that everything is terrific if it isn't, just because it's Apple. And to be clear, that is in no way a personal comment aimed at anybody. I am merely making my position clear. it may be, in the fullness of time, that I grow accustomed to the new interface. It may be that I even come to like it. That has happened before with other things and I'm sure it will happen again. So given the scenario I quoted above, where am I going wrong? Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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Gordon, when I use the search field I hear the sound and can down arrow through the selections that are announced by VO add to up next. I haven't tried choosing one to see what happens, but I think I can see where this could be a problem with such a large library. Randy On Jan 7, 2013, at 8:13 AM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Anne yes, this works well if you are searching for a song and you only want that one track. However, our library is horrendously large, well over 50,000 tracks I would guess. Therefore, I need to find a way to move by album or something if the search box is going to be problematic. Yes, one could use the radio buttons I guess and, first navigate by artist, genre or other relevant fields. However, with a large library that method is going to prove extremely time-consuming. In iTunes 10, the search box was, for me at least, utterly invaluable. But now it just grunts at me which, as Zack said earlier, is probably VoiceOver doing something. However, I guess I'm going to have to b a little innovative. I'll find a solution to the problem somewhere, I'm going to have too. Thanks for your input, it's appreciated. Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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Hi Donal I am way way behind on mail at the moment, as I am working long hours on a project. Despite the comments which others have made regarding iTunes 11, I simply cannot figure out why Apple decided to do what they have done to this application. The most polite way I can describe the interface is Dreadful. For instance, searching for things by typing in part of their name, it's absolutely shocking. All you hear is a silly rasping sound as you type. What on earth is the point of that? Also, if you insert a CD, there doesn't seem to be any way to navigate out of the dialogue which appears with the CD's information and associated controls. I really would love to be able to say I'm impressed. But quite honestly, at the moment, it's entirely the opposite. I'm shocked and incredibly disappointed. Most of what Apple is doing, I really like. But oh! How they've ruined one of their flagship products in my pinion. I am now very reluctant to buy from the iTunes store because of the horrific player interface. Many people I have spoken too over the last few days, visually impaired and otherwise, have said similar things, for the most part. apple has gone to town trying to jazz up their interface. As a result, they've made it visually quite attractive, but practically very clunky to use. I will listen to others who have used this thing with VoiceOver, of course. And, if there's a way to easily navigate the interface, manipulating it to your needs, I would very much like to know about it. Gordon On 2 Jan 2013, at 16:06, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: There is only one thing worse than iTunes 11, and that's the Podcasts app on IOS. I described iTunes 11 on twitter recently thus: if an undergraduate submitted this as a final year project I'd fail it. I stand by that assertion. Leaving voiceover out of it, the UI doesn't work. I've had all kinds of problems, not the least being my failure to create a new Apple ID for my mother recently because fields were removed from the tab order, and VO wouldn't put the correct data in the correct field. For example, I was entering my mum's city of residence followed by the county, however I couldn't get to the county at all. So you're not alone, iTunes 11 is (four letter word comprising the letter S followed by the word hit). --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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Dear Gordon, That noise you hear his voice over indicating that a popover has emerged, with autocomplete options. If you use the voiceover navigation keys to explore the screen, you will find a list of possible completions of your search in a table. Can you provide specific things you're having trouble doing? I read your negative comments on iTunes and am quite discouraged, as it seems that people are trying to help you as best they can. So what, specifically, are you trying to accomplish, and finding so frustrating? Yours, Zack. On Jan 6, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Donal I am way way behind on mail at the moment, as I am working long hours on a project. Despite the comments which others have made regarding iTunes 11, I simply cannot figure out why Apple decided to do what they have done to this application. The most polite way I can describe the interface is Dreadful. For instance, searching for things by typing in part of their name, it's absolutely shocking. All you hear is a silly rasping sound as you type. What on earth is the point of that? Also, if you insert a CD, there doesn't seem to be any way to navigate out of the dialogue which appears with the CD's information and associated controls. I really would love to be able to say I'm impressed. But quite honestly, at the moment, it's entirely the opposite. I'm shocked and incredibly disappointed. Most of what Apple is doing, I really like. But oh! How they've ruined one of their flagship products in my pinion. I am now very reluctant to buy from the iTunes store because of the horrific player interface. Many people I have spoken too over the last few days, visually impaired and otherwise, have said similar things, for the most part. apple has gone to town trying to jazz up their interface. As a result, they've made it visually quite attractive, but practically very clunky to use. I will listen to others who have used this thing with VoiceOver, of course. And, if there's a way to easily navigate the interface, manipulating it to your needs, I would very much like to know about it. Gordon On 2 Jan 2013, at 16:06, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: There is only one thing worse than iTunes 11, and that's the Podcasts app on IOS. I described iTunes 11 on twitter recently thus: if an undergraduate submitted this as a final year project I'd fail it. I stand by that assertion. Leaving voiceover out of it, the UI doesn't work. I've had all kinds of problems, not the least being my failure to create a new Apple ID for my mother recently because fields were removed from the tab order, and VO wouldn't put the correct data in the correct field. For example, I was entering my mum's city of residence followed by the county, however I couldn't get to the county at all. So you're not alone, iTunes 11 is (four letter word comprising the letter S followed by the word hit). --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac
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It would be very interesting to hear how people are finding the interface as far as easy navigation with VoiceOver is concerned. Also, a description of the methodology behind it would be quite useful. Not that this is really related, and it is most definitely not in any way a dig, or a criticism or a negative comment. But I often notice that some of the people commenting on these items are using Windows for mail if nothing else. Again, it isn't really important, it's just something I notice. I just wonder sometimes why people do that. But, of course, it's each to their own. And it is true to say that some people do it out of necessity as they are required to use Windows at work. Anyway, there we are. I guess it's each to their own. But even now after being forced to tolerate the new interface, I cannot honestly say I have found anything about it which justifies the change, nor can I say I've found anything about it which I like. :) Gordon On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:25, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote: I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also helped a good deal. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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OK, well I'm way behind on mail. But as of now, I still cannot find any quick ways of accomplishing the tasks I used to be able to accomplish quickly with iTunes 10 and earlier. I found your comment regarding VoiceOver and interacting quite interesting. Most of the time, I personally try to use the operating system's shortcuts rather than those provided by VoiceOver. For instance, I always use Control+F3 to bring the dock into focus. however, yes, I concede that there are times when interacting is useful. I just sometimes find it slow. That said, when working with my iTunes library in iTunes 10, I did certainly see advantages with interacting and other VoiceOver functions. In iTunes 11, however, I really cannot find anything good to say about it at this point. I can, of course, use the radio buttons and other controls. But let me give you an example, perhaps you can provide the solution I am missing and that may enable me to become more familiar with this new layou t. If you highlight an album, how do you then move quickly to the album's contents? I tried VoiceOver+J and VoiceOver+Command+J amongst other things, but so far I've had no luck. The same is true of playlists. When typing into the search bar, all I hear is a most disgusting racket which I find most disconcerting. Can that dreadful din be silenced? Just a couple of questions to start off with. Gordon On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:31, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi, I agree. It's important to give it time, and not dismiss the whole project as dreadful without fair examination. One of the things I've noticed about VoiceOver as I've used it this past year is that it tends to make it possible for two people to have utterly different user experiences, based purely on the techniques they employ. I favor interacting whenever possible, and embracing the groups of objects, metaphor which Apple seems to encourage. Is this necessarily the most efficient way to go about things? Probably not. However, it suffices for me, and I find the new interface more than workable. I wouldn't consider using any alternative media player myself. As for locating tracks in the library, I tend to use the search box, but the radio buttons are certainly another option. Think of them as very much like the row of buttons at the bottom of your iPhone music player. They might actually resemble an iPad interface more than the iPhone, for all I know. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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What about pressing command plus option plus us to hide the status bar or I think that's what it does? That should bring up the table things. I do know someone however, that went back to iTunes 10.7 because they were unhappy about the fact that they took out the power search, and reading in the Apple support website I see that a lot of people have done the same… Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: It would be very interesting to hear how people are finding the interface as far as easy navigation with VoiceOver is concerned. Also, a description of the methodology behind it would be quite useful. Not that this is really related, and it is most definitely not in any way a dig, or a criticism or a negative comment. But I often notice that some of the people commenting on these items are using Windows for mail if nothing else. Again, it isn't really important, it's just something I notice. I just wonder sometimes why people do that. But, of course, it's each to their own. And it is true to say that some people do it out of necessity as they are required to use Windows at work. Anyway, there we are. I guess it's each to their own. But even now after being forced to tolerate the new interface, I cannot honestly say I have found anything about it which justifies the change, nor can I say I've found anything about it which I like. :) Gordon On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:25, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote: I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also helped a good deal. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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Hum! That doesn't work here. If I type into the search box and get the horrific racket, pressing right arrow just takes me to the end of the input field. If I VoiceOver+Right arrow, I land on the radio button which always defaults to Albums as the active control. So clearly I'm doing something wrong here. On 2 Jan 2013, at 20:51, cait furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Gordon, If you're looking for music in your library, you can type in what you're looking for, then hit the right arrow and find the results in a table. Oh, first I made sure the songs button was selected, although I really don't know if this is necessary or not. I just tried this to make double sure it works. You can either right arrow or vo right arrow over to the results once you put in your search quarry into the box. I looked for all my Enya stuff, for example, and it brought up the first four things, then there was a button for 85 more things. hth, Caitlyn On 2013-01-02, at 3:02 PM, Gordon Lynne gordon-and-ly...@mac-access.co.uk wrote: Hi Zack OK, perhaps one of these people who say they like the interface better now might care to explain how one would do things like search for items. When I tried that, it failed to find the item even though I knew it was present in my library. -- This Message Was Written Using One Hundred Percent Recycled Electrons; Sent From Our Third Generation iPad. If you wish to contact us privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance. You can contact us here: gordon-and-ly...@mac-access.co.uk Telephone, by prior arrangement only please: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess -- On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:31, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi, I agree. It's important to give it time, and not dismiss the whole project as dreadful without fair examination. One of the things I've noticed about VoiceOver as I've used it this past year is that it tends to make it possible for two people to have utterly different user experiences, based purely on the techniques they employ. I favor interacting whenever possible, and embracing the groups of objects, metaphor which Apple seems to encourage. Is this necessarily the most efficient way to go about things? Probably not. However, it suffices for me, and I find the new interface more than workable. I wouldn't consider using any alternative media player myself. As for locating tracks in the library, I tend to use the search box, but the radio buttons are certainly another option. Think of them as very much like the row of buttons at the bottom of your iPhone music player. They might actually resemble an iPad interface more than the iPhone, for all I know. YOurs, Zack. On Jan 2, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote: I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also helped a good deal. - Original Message - From: Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:31 AM Subject: iTunes 11 Hi all Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with iTunes 11. My first impressions, and this view could well change over time, is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user. Unless I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around with all of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track in the library? When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the Play button, it started playing on my iPad. That was not at all what I expected to find. To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is perfectly possible, I think this year may see me join the ever increasing number of people who are using alternative audio and media players on their Macs. --- Gordon Smith --- If you wish to contact me privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance, before you try the below. Please also observe time differences. I prefer telephone calls by prior arrangement where possible. E-Mail: gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: callto:mac-access.net
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Hi Zack My negative comments reflect my disappointment, to be honest. But let me be absolutely clear that I am aware that people are trying to be helpful and yes, it is appreciated. OK, let me try to make this a little clear. I am typing a search string into the search bar. Then, I try navigating the screen using the VoiceOver navigation commands. I just sen to get stuck in the same dialogue all the time and nothing resembling my search appears to be displayed even though I know for an absolute fact that it exists. OK, let me be a little more concise. In my library, I have several albums named Now That's What I Call Music, with different numbers for each album. OK, so I make sure that the Albums radio button is highlighted. Then, I typ into the search bar: Now That's What I Call Music, (without the quotes). You may notice if you have Braille that I am exact as far as case is concerned. The albums exist and sometimes, I get lucky and land on the album I want. OK, so I hear Album Grid. I try to interact with that Album Grid, but I don't get the track information. Again, sometimes if I'm lucky I might land on the track list. But as yet, I cannot figure out what I do when this happens, it seems to be random. I'm sorry if I come across as negative. I really don't mean to be negative. You are aware, I believe, that I am very committed to Apple's products, and I'm a staunch supporter of what Apple is doing. You and I, Zack, have both been part of other forums where this commitment is an essential. But I'm not going to say that everything is terrific if it isn't, just because it's Apple. And to be clear, that is in no way a personal comment aimed at anybody. I am merely making my position clear. it may be, in the fullness of time, that I grow accustomed to the new interface. It may be that I even come to like it. That has happened before with other things and I'm sure it will happen again. So given the scenario I quoted above, where am I going wrong? Gordon On 7 Jan 2013, at 03:43, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: That noise you hear his voice over indicating that a popover has emerged, with autocomplete options. If you use the voiceover navigation keys to explore the screen, you will find a list of possible completions of your search in a table. Can you provide specific things you're having trouble doing? I read your negative comments on iTunes and am quite discouraged, as it seems that people are trying to help you as best they can. So what, specifically, are you trying to accomplish, and finding so frustrating? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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Hello Gordon, I find that the search box is only useful if I'm looking for a song and don't know the title except for a word or two. Otherwise, I click the Songs button and navigate down to where the Browser is. There, I interact and navigate to the column that interests me (Genre, Artist or album) and type in a few letters. When I find what I want, I stop interacting and navigate down to the Songs table. Cheers, Anne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
iTunes 11
Hi all Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with iTunes 11. My first impressions, and this view could well change over time, is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user. Unless I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around with all of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track in the library? When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the Play button, it started playing on my iPad. That was not at all what I expected to find. To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is perfectly possible, I think this year may see me join the ever increasing number of people who are using alternative audio and media players on their Macs. --- Gordon Smith --- If you wish to contact me privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance, before you try the below. Please also observe time differences. I prefer telephone calls by prior arrangement where possible. E-Mail: gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: callto:mac-access.net -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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Hi Gordon, There is only one thing worse than iTunes 11, and that's the Podcasts app on IOS. I described iTunes 11 on twitter recently thus: if an undergraduate submitted this as a final year project I'd fail it. I stand by that assertion. Leaving voiceover out of it, the UI doesn't work. I've had all kinds of problems, not the least being my failure to create a new Apple ID for my mother recently because fields were removed from the tab order, and VO wouldn't put the correct data in the correct field. For example, I was entering my mum's city of residence followed by the county, however I couldn't get to the county at all. So you're not alone, iTunes 11 is (four letter word comprising the letter S followed by the word hit). Dónal On 2 Jan 2013, at 15:31, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with iTunes 11. My first impressions, and this view could well change over time, is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user. Unless I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around with all of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track in the library? When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the Play button, it started playing on my iPad. That was not at all what I expected to find. To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is perfectly possible, I think this year may see me join the ever increasing number of people who are using alternative audio and media players on their Macs. --- Gordon Smith --- If you wish to contact me privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance, before you try the below. Please also observe time differences. I prefer telephone calls by prior arrangement where possible. E-Mail: gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: callto:mac-access.net -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick, School of Computing, Dublin City University, Glasnevin, Dublin 9, Ireland Tel. +353-(0)1-700-8929 fax: +353-(0)1-700-5442 email: dfitzpat (at) computing.dcu.ie Email Disclaimer This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for use by the addressee. Any unauthorised dissemination, distribution or copying of this message and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the message. Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail may solely be the views of the author and cannot be relied upon as being those of Dublin City University. E-mail communications such as this cannot be guaranteed to be virus-free, timely, secure or error-free and Dublin City University does not accept liability for any such matters or their consequences. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should
Re: iTunes 11
I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also helped a good deal. - Original Message - From: Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:31 AM Subject: iTunes 11 Hi all Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with iTunes 11. My first impressions, and this view could well change over time, is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user. Unless I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around with all of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track in the library? When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the Play button, it started playing on my iPad. That was not at all what I expected to find. To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is perfectly possible, I think this year may see me join the ever increasing number of people who are using alternative audio and media players on their Macs. --- Gordon Smith --- If you wish to contact me privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance, before you try the below. Please also observe time differences. I prefer telephone calls by prior arrangement where possible. E-Mail: gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: callto:mac-access.net -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11
Hi, I agree. It's important to give it time, and not dismiss the whole project as dreadful without fair examination. One of the things I've noticed about VoiceOver as I've used it this past year is that it tends to make it possible for two people to have utterly different user experiences, based purely on the techniques they employ. I favor interacting whenever possible, and embracing the groups of objects, metaphor which Apple seems to encourage. Is this necessarily the most efficient way to go about things? Probably not. However, it suffices for me, and I find the new interface more than workable. I wouldn't consider using any alternative media player myself. As for locating tracks in the library, I tend to use the search box, but the radio buttons are certainly another option. Think of them as very much like the row of buttons at the bottom of your iPhone music player. They might actually resemble an iPad interface more than the iPhone, for all I know. YOurs, Zack. On Jan 2, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote: I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also helped a good deal. - Original Message - From: Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:31 AM Subject: iTunes 11 Hi all Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with iTunes 11. My first impressions, and this view could well change over time, is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user. Unless I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around with all of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track in the library? When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the Play button, it started playing on my iPad. That was not at all what I expected to find. To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is perfectly possible, I think this year may see me join the ever increasing number of people who are using alternative audio and media players on their Macs. --- Gordon Smith --- If you wish to contact me privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance, before you try the below. Please also observe time differences. I prefer telephone calls by prior arrangement where possible. E-Mail: gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: callto:mac-access.net -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net
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Oh yah David's podcasts rock. I use the side bar layout or what ever they call it as I manually manage music and stuff on my ios device and for me I like th lay out better but I do know how to use the new interface and I hope apple kees a way to always show and hide that side bar for those of us who want it. Take care. On Jan 2, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote: I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also helped a good deal. - Original Message - From: Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:31 AM Subject: iTunes 11 Hi all Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with iTunes 11. My first impressions, and this view could well change over time, is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user. Unless I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around with all of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track in the library? When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the Play button, it started playing on my iPad. That was not at all what I expected to find. To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is perfectly possible, I think this year may see me join the ever increasing number of people who are using alternative audio and media players on their Macs. --- Gordon Smith --- If you wish to contact me privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance, before you try the below. Please also observe time differences. I prefer telephone calls by prior arrangement where possible. E-Mail: gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: callto:mac-access.net -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own
Re: iTunes 11
Hi Donø Unfortunately, I have so far seen absolutely nothing which I can honestly say I like about what Apple has done to iTunes.In fact, I am finding myself even lowering myself and going over to W*s gto do simple things like play music. Again, my views may change radically over time, it has happened before. But at this point, although I wouldn't ever use the description which you hinted at, not in public anyway, I would certainly describe it as the work of desuign engineers who clearly had nothing better to do in their spare time, or who just wanted to drive us all away from their product and who decided that the best way to do that was to ruin the product totally,. Doubtless others will disagree. But that is my take. Come back Winamp, all is forgiven, and that's saying something! -- This Message Was Written Using One Hundred Percent Recycled Electrons; Sent From Our Third Generation iPad. If you wish to contact us privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance. You can contact us here: gordon-and-ly...@mac-access.co.uk Telephone, by prior arrangement only please: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess -- On 2 Jan 2013, at 16:06, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Gordon, There is only one thing worse than iTunes 11, and that's the Podcasts app on IOS. I described iTunes 11 on twitter recently thus: if an undergraduate submitted this as a final year project I'd fail it. I stand by that assertion. Leaving voiceover out of it, the UI doesn't work. I've had all kinds of problems, not the least being my failure to create a new Apple ID for my mother recently because fields were removed from the tab order, and VO wouldn't put the correct data in the correct field. For example, I was entering my mum's city of residence followed by the county, however I couldn't get to the county at all. So you're not alone, iTunes 11 is (four letter word comprising the letter S followed by the word hit). Dónal On 2 Jan 2013, at 15:31, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with iTunes 11. My first impressions, and this view could well change over time, is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user. Unless I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around with all of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track in the library? When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the Play button, it started playing on my iPad. That was not at all what I expected to find. To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is perfectly possible, I think this year may see me join the ever increasing number of people who are using alternative audio and media players on their Macs. --- Gordon Smith --- If you wish to contact me privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance, before you try the below. Please also observe time differences. I prefer telephone calls by prior arrangement where possible. E-Mail: gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: callto:mac-access.net -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick, School of Computing, Dublin City University, Glasnevin, Dublin 9, Ireland Tel. +353-(0)1-700-8929 fax: +353-(0)1-700-5442 email: dfitzpat (at) computing.dcu.ie Email Disclaimer This e-mail
Re: iTunes 11
Hi Phil I agree that one can keep moving the radio buttons to change the lighlighed options. But to be honest, at this time, I would go so far as to say that it isn't an upgrade, it is a significant downgrade. -- This Message Was Written Using One Hundred Percent Recycled Electrons; Sent From Our Third Generation iPad. If you wish to contact us privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance. You can contact us here: gordon-and-ly...@mac-access.co.uk Telephone, by prior arrangement only please: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess -- On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:25, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote: I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also helped a good deal. - Original Message - From: Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:31 AM Subject: iTunes 11 Hi all Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with iTunes 11. My first impressions, and this view could well change over time, is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user. Unless I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around with all of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track in the library? When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the Play button, it started playing on my iPad. That was not at all what I expected to find. To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is perfectly possible, I think this year may see me join the ever increasing number of people who are using alternative audio and media players on their Macs. --- Gordon Smith --- If you wish to contact me privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance, before you try the below. Please also observe time differences. I prefer telephone calls by prior arrangement where possible. E-Mail: gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: callto:mac-access.net -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own
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Hi Zack OK, perhaps one of these people who say they like the interface better now might care to explain how one would do things like search for items. When I tried that, it failed to find the item even though I knew it was present in my library. -- This Message Was Written Using One Hundred Percent Recycled Electrons; Sent From Our Third Generation iPad. If you wish to contact us privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance. You can contact us here: gordon-and-ly...@mac-access.co.uk Telephone, by prior arrangement only please: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess -- On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:31, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi, I agree. It's important to give it time, and not dismiss the whole project as dreadful without fair examination. One of the things I've noticed about VoiceOver as I've used it this past year is that it tends to make it possible for two people to have utterly different user experiences, based purely on the techniques they employ. I favor interacting whenever possible, and embracing the groups of objects, metaphor which Apple seems to encourage. Is this necessarily the most efficient way to go about things? Probably not. However, it suffices for me, and I find the new interface more than workable. I wouldn't consider using any alternative media player myself. As for locating tracks in the library, I tend to use the search box, but the radio buttons are certainly another option. Think of them as very much like the row of buttons at the bottom of your iPhone music player. They might actually resemble an iPad interface more than the iPhone, for all I know. YOurs, Zack. On Jan 2, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote: I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also helped a good deal. - Original Message - From: Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:31 AM Subject: iTunes 11 Hi all Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with iTunes 11. My first impressions, and this view could well change over time, is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user. Unless I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around with all of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track in the library? When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the Play button, it started playing on my iPad. That was not at all what I expected to find. To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is perfectly possible, I think this year may see me join the ever increasing number of people who are using alternative audio and media players on their Macs. --- Gordon Smith --- If you wish to contact me privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance, before you try the below. Please also observe time differences. I prefer telephone calls by prior arrangement where possible. E-Mail: gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: callto:mac-access.net -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your
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Gordon, If you're looking for music in your library, you can type in what you're looking for, then hit the right arrow and find the results in a table. Oh, first I made sure the songs button was selected, although I really don't know if this is necessary or not. I just tried this to make double sure it works. You can either right arrow or vo right arrow over to the results once you put in your search quarry into the box. I looked for all my Enya stuff, for example, and it brought up the first four things, then there was a button for 85 more things. hth, Caitlyn On 2013-01-02, at 3:02 PM, Gordon Lynne gordon-and-ly...@mac-access.co.uk wrote: Hi Zack OK, perhaps one of these people who say they like the interface better now might care to explain how one would do things like search for items. When I tried that, it failed to find the item even though I knew it was present in my library. -- This Message Was Written Using One Hundred Percent Recycled Electrons; Sent From Our Third Generation iPad. If you wish to contact us privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance. You can contact us here: gordon-and-ly...@mac-access.co.uk Telephone, by prior arrangement only please: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess -- On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:31, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi, I agree. It's important to give it time, and not dismiss the whole project as dreadful without fair examination. One of the things I've noticed about VoiceOver as I've used it this past year is that it tends to make it possible for two people to have utterly different user experiences, based purely on the techniques they employ. I favor interacting whenever possible, and embracing the groups of objects, metaphor which Apple seems to encourage. Is this necessarily the most efficient way to go about things? Probably not. However, it suffices for me, and I find the new interface more than workable. I wouldn't consider using any alternative media player myself. As for locating tracks in the library, I tend to use the search box, but the radio buttons are certainly another option. Think of them as very much like the row of buttons at the bottom of your iPhone music player. They might actually resemble an iPad interface more than the iPhone, for all I know. YOurs, Zack. On Jan 2, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote: I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also helped a good deal. - Original Message - From: Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:31 AM Subject: iTunes 11 Hi all Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with iTunes 11. My first impressions, and this view could well change over time, is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user. Unless I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around with all of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track in the library? When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the Play button, it started playing on my iPad. That was not at all what I expected to find. To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is perfectly possible, I think this year may see me join the ever increasing number of people who are using alternative audio and media players on their Macs. --- Gordon Smith --- If you wish to contact me privately, please use E-Mail in the first instance, before you try the below. Please also observe time differences. I prefer telephone calls by prior arrangement where possible. E-Mail: gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: callto:mac-access.net -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail
Re: iTunes 11 question.
if you go into classic mode with cmd option s you might find you can do most of the stuff again. Also if you don't like that mode and want to go in to list mode choose that when you let's say choose an playlist from the pop up button. I like the classic mode so I stick to it. I hope apple does not take away classic mode.. Good luck. On Dec 30, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Danny Noonan da...@familynoonan.net wrote: I'm just about to build my iTunes library properly but a couple of changes to iTunes in v 11 are stumping me. Previously, I could select multiple albums and then get info on them all and do batch editing to get specifics all correct across all albums. I can't seem to find a way of highliting multiple albums any more. Is there a work round or something I'm missing? Also, I've managed to delete albums with out using the context menu a total of 1 times since updating to 11 so wonder if there's a variable that's now introduced that I'm unaware of, if the feature is now buggy, or if it is removed and worked once as a fluke. I can't use del, either the backspace position or above the arrows either with or with out command. Having to use context to get to get info, delete etc is quite time consuming. I'm starting to wonder if it's my system that doesn't allow this, i.e. buggy or if it's a removal of features in the latest release. Any info would be appreciated. Regards, Danny: --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11 question.
Well, turns out as far as I can research that there is no way to stop files played in iTunes from being added to the library so feather research shows that either QuickTime or VLC still work with the apple remote so I'll set my default media player to use either of them for media types I use and don't want directly added to iTunes. Danny: On 29/12/2012, at 11:15 AM, Danny Noonan da...@familynoonan.net wrote: I thought there used to be an option to stop iTunes from adding every track you played in it to the library but I can't seem to find it any more if it existed. I want to only add tracks I specifically import to iTunes as I listen to lots of things that I don't want in my regular library. Any help appreciated. Kind regards, Danny: --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
iTunes 11 question.
I thought there used to be an option to stop iTunes from adding every track you played in it to the library but I can't seem to find it any more if it existed. I want to only add tracks I specifically import to iTunes as I listen to lots of things that I don't want in my regular library. Any help appreciated. Kind regards, Danny: --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11
Hello Jim On 2 Dec 2012, at 23:18, Jim Noseworthy jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com wrote: • I'll be looking forward to your findings. For the most part, I didn't have any trouble. I was able to navigate and perform local searches with VoiceOver enabled just as easily as before. The only part of the interface which really got me totally flummoxed until I used my eyes was when I went into the iTunes Store and did a search for something. I found that I could not get back to my local library very easily. I ended up having to close the window then re-open it using Command+Option+1. This aside, and disregarding the fact which Chris stated yesterday, it was fine. I was able to navigate my albums, songs, books etc. just fine. I still prefer the new interface. Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11
Thanks much Lynne. On 2012-12-03, at 11:24 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello Jim On 2 Dec 2012, at 23:18, Jim Noseworthy jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com wrote: • I'll be looking forward to your findings. For the most part, I didn't have any trouble. I was able to navigate and perform local searches with VoiceOver enabled just as easily as before. The only part of the interface which really got me totally flummoxed until I used my eyes was when I went into the iTunes Store and did a search for something. I found that I could not get back to my local library very easily. I ended up having to close the window then re-open it using Command+Option+1. This aside, and disregarding the fact which Chris stated yesterday, it was fine. I was able to navigate my albums, songs, books etc. just fine. I still prefer the new interface. Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11
Hi, I believe that there is a library, button which shows up once you've entered the store. If you use this, you will get back to the local library. Best, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 3, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Jim Noseworthy jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com wrote: Thanks much Lynne. On 2012-12-03, at 11:24 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello Jim On 2 Dec 2012, at 23:18, Jim Noseworthy jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com wrote: • I'll be looking forward to your findings. For the most part, I didn't have any trouble. I was able to navigate and perform local searches with VoiceOver enabled just as easily as before. The only part of the interface which really got me totally flummoxed until I used my eyes was when I went into the iTunes Store and did a search for something. I found that I could not get back to my local library very easily. I ended up having to close the window then re-open it using Command+Option+1. This aside, and disregarding the fact which Chris stated yesterday, it was fine. I was able to navigate my albums, songs, books etc. just fine. I still prefer the new interface. Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
iTunes 11; [Our Findings Regarding VoiceOver]
Hello Jane Actually, we have had chance now to play around with this both with and without VoiceOver being active. Whilst we, Gordon and I, both agree that there are some seemingly odd definitions of controls in places, there isn't anything which is not navigable, useable, or which is seriously broken when VoiceOver is activated. Using VoiceOver, both Gordon and myself were able without too much difficulty once we figured out the seemingly odd behaviour with VoiceOver in certain elements of the main windows, , to use iTunes without difficulty. As you say, it is just a matter of familiarising yourself with the new interface and with VoiceOver's interaction with it. Of course, visually, iTunes doesn't change when you turn VoiceOver on. Though I'm not in any way going to go down this road, I wish the same thing could be said on other platforms with other accessibility solutions. However, here we are only concerned with Mac OS and iOS and their use. So our verdict is that Apple has done quite a good job with iTunes 11 overall. Certainly, once you get used to it, the new interface does offer some very nice functionality. For instance, I know this probably isn't totally new behaviour; but we do like the way that when you scroll down a list of albums in the album window, the list of displayed tracks changes accordingly. This never used to happen in this dynamic way in the old version of iTunes the way we had it configured. So it's really nice to be able to see that functionality. I haven't tried yet; but I would imaging that one can probably just right click on an album now and do things like burn it to disk without first having to create a playlist. I never found a way to do that with iTunes 10 or earlier,but it would be nice. Anyway, to answer Jim's questions regarding our findings, we find it to be a more than worth while and definitely a more than acceptable upgrade. Lynne On 3 Dec 2012, at 15:34, Jane juanitatig...@gmail.com wrote: • To get back out of the store, you just hit the button that says library button. I know it looks confusing at first, but once you see that and get it figured out, it's OK. It will take out out of the store and back to wherever you were before. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: How does one sync Audiobooks using iTunes 11?
Actually it must be done from iTunes if you converted books that you bought on cd or mp3 from graphic audio or amazon or what not. and I find manage books manually easier. I did find a work around though. The podcast should be up in about 3 or 4 days. but basically hit cmd option s to get back to the older layout. On Dec 2, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com wrote: Hello: Y was geting grassy with that. Just go to your iPad or iphoneM and on the books tab, you have the posibilitie of singronising the selected ones. Cheers! El 02/12/2012, a las 02:12, Orin orin8...@gmail.com escribió: Hi all, Just curious why when upgrading to iTunes 11, the books area disappears when clickong on the iPhone radio button. I can click on the music radio button and get Music, podcasts, etc whatever I have shown, including books, but not sure how to sync that over to my phone now. Thanks. Orin orin8...@gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
iTunes 11
Hello everybody I know that my perspective may not be the same as that of a VoiceOver user; and I promise that I will be sure to try it from that perspective tomorrow. However, from the viewpoint of somebody who has vision, the new iTunes interface is absolutely and totally awesome, one might even go so far as to call it beautiful! I just love the way it brings everything together, including Twitter and, If I am not much mistaken, FaceBook as well. It's absaolutely a pleasure to just be able to click on a tab and see your account all laid out in a nice new interface before your eyes. Very very nice, Apple! So tomorrow I will try it from the viewpoint of a VoiceOver user. Many in here will know that I am passionate about accessibility and I may be in for a disappointment if the interface doesn't come up to scratch for those of you who rely on VoiceOver. Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11
Hi Lynn, If I may say so, from a voiceover perspective the interface is at least as good, if not better, then the previous version. I however did not have some of the problems other people seem to have had with the previous version, so my perspective should be taken with an appropriate amount of salt. I am nevertheless very pleased with this new interface, and I think that Apple did a fine job. Yours, Zack. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody I know that my perspective may not be the same as that of a VoiceOver user; and I promise that I will be sure to try it from that perspective tomorrow. However, from the viewpoint of somebody who has vision, the new iTunes interface is absolutely and totally awesome, one might even go so far as to call it beautiful! I just love the way it brings everything together, including Twitter and, If I am not much mistaken, FaceBook as well. It's absaolutely a pleasure to just be able to click on a tab and see your account all laid out in a nice new interface before your eyes. Very very nice, Apple! So tomorrow I will try it from the viewpoint of a VoiceOver user. Many in here will know that I am passionate about accessibility and I may be in for a disappointment if the interface doesn't come up to scratch for those of you who rely on VoiceOver. Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11
Helo Zack Well, I couldn't wait till tomorrow after all having read your message. Chris made the assertion earlier that Apple should have renamed some of the iTunes controls as tabs, rather than radio buttons. I agree with that point. Although it is still very easy to navigate with Voiceover, a certain level of interaction is required which was not required with the previous version. But overall, I think the upgrade is worth while. I too did not encounter any problems which I considered show stoppers when I tried it jut now. I was able to click the Books tab, for instance and, from there, click the Audio Books tab in order to further refine my search. Making sure that the Library tab was highlighted before doing all of this it was very easy to find what I was looking for. Lynne On 2 Dec 2012, at 22:18, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Lynn, If I may say so, from a voiceover perspective the interface is at least as good, if not better, then the previous version. I however did not have some of the problems other people seem to have had with the previous version, so my perspective should be taken with an appropriate amount of salt. I am nevertheless very pleased with this new interface, and I think that Apple did a fine job. You --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11
It sort of works but here is a podcast on iTunes 11 from a voice over perspective. I finally got the manually thing to work but yeah. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1672188/a%20glance%20at%20itunes%2011.mp3 Take care and be blessed. On Dec 2, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody I know that my perspective may not be the same as that of a VoiceOver user; and I promise that I will be sure to try it from that perspective tomorrow. However, from the viewpoint of somebody who has vision, the new iTunes interface is absolutely and totally awesome, one might even go so far as to call it beautiful! I just love the way it brings everything together, including Twitter and, If I am not much mistaken, FaceBook as well. It's absaolutely a pleasure to just be able to click on a tab and see your account all laid out in a nice new interface before your eyes. Very very nice, Apple! So tomorrow I will try it from the viewpoint of a VoiceOver user. Many in here will know that I am passionate about accessibility and I may be in for a disappointment if the interface doesn't come up to scratch for those of you who rely on VoiceOver. Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11
Lynne: I'll be looking forward to your findings. On Dec 2, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody I know that my perspective may not be the same as that of a VoiceOver user; and I promise that I will be sure to try it from that perspective tomorrow. However, from the viewpoint of somebody who has vision, the new iTunes interface is absolutely and totally awesome, one might even go so far as to call it beautiful! I just love the way it brings everything together, including Twitter and, If I am not much mistaken, FaceBook as well. It's absaolutely a pleasure to just be able to click on a tab and see your account all laid out in a nice new interface before your eyes. Very very nice, Apple! So tomorrow I will try it from the viewpoint of a VoiceOver user. Many in here will know that I am passionate about accessibility and I may be in for a disappointment if the interface doesn't come up to scratch for those of you who rely on VoiceOver. Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11, thoughts?
Hello Chris : I agree with a lot of these recommendations it would be a good idea for you to send them to the Apple accessibility team and see what they have to say thanks very much for taking the time to look at them. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 30, 2012, at 1:38 AM, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Overall, iTunes 11 is certainly no worse than iTunes 10 on the Mac when it comes to accessibility. However, Apple could do more to improve Voiceover support (I can't comment on Windows, as not tested it there yet). The first item/button Voiceover lands on is the rewind button, and there is a play button and a next button. So we have a rewind and a next button, so some people might be confused by the lack of a previous button or a forward button. So perhaps the rewind and next buttons should be labelled as previous/rewind button and a next/forward button. The next item which puzzles me is the iCloud button, what does this actually do? When pressing it with voiceover, it does not indicate if it is on or off or if anything has happened when it is pressed. My next issue relates to the 7 radio buttons, the last radio button is read out as Radio radio button 7 of 7. Hearing the words Radio radio button is not exactly intuitive, and I am sure these buttons are actually tabs and not web page style radio buttons. So would it not be better if Voiceover read out these 7 buttons as tabs? then the last tab could be read out as Radio tab 7 of 7. Note: the iTunes store uses tabs, so replacing radio buttons with tabs would give iTunes 11 a more consistent look and feel when it comes to navigating with a screen reader. Finally there is a iTunes Store button, I think it would be more intuitive if the button was read out as Go to iTunes Store button Then when you are in the iTunes Store, the button is read out as Go back to Library button, instead of Library menu button. Calling this a menu button gives the impression a menu is about to appear if you press it. After opening the iTunes Store I am greeted with a back and next button for the store navigation, then there are a series of menu buttons (as voiceover describes them) which are My iTunes Account, iTunes Store home menu button, Music menu button, Films menu button etc. Would it not be better to have these menu buttons labelled as tabs? I also think the home page of the iTunes store is a bit of a mess for screen reader users. For starters the HTML does not follow W3C web accessibility guidelines when it comes to heading structure. For example there are heading 3 items, and heading 5, but there are no heading 1 or 2. It breaks accessibility when heading levels are skipped. The document structure does not follow how it is laid out visually either. The screen reader user hears the headings in the following sequence: Heading 3 Music (this should be a heading 2, and there should be a heading 1 prior to it labelled iTunes Store Home) Heading 3 Films (this should be a heading 2) TV programmes (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Apps (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Late Night Music on TV (should this not be listed under Music or under Feature?) Heading 3 Genius Recommendations (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Books (should this not be a heading 2? Heading 3 Quick Links (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Top Singles (should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Albums ((should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Films (should this not be listed under Films? see all has gone) Heading 3 TOP TV (voiceover reads this as T O P instead of top, and should it not be listed as a sub heading under TV programmes? see all has gone) Heading 3 Top Paid Apps (should this not be listed as a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Free Apps (should this not be a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Books (Should this not be listed as a sub heading under Books?) The above is just a few examples, if you work your way through the iTunes store, you will find many other. I feel the order of the headings does not match how the layout works visually. Chris On 30 Nov 2012, at 03:50, amy gilbert we.are.born.innoc...@googlemail.com wrote: hi all, i've got too many emails to check if there's already been a topic posted on this, but what do you all think of itunes 11? it's going to take me a while to get used to the new layout, but the layout is better, more simplified, and it seems a bit more responsive or is that me? amy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web
Re: iTunes 11
Hello: I just agree in what you say. The new interface, even with VoiceOver is just great. We just have to learn a new way of doing things, but is intuitive and fun. Did anybody notice tat now we can just go to finder, coli what ever folder containing music, and then paste into iTunes and it will add the files to the library and create a play list for them? It is just fantastic! Cheers Daniela rubio El 02/12/2012, a las 23:14, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net escribió: Hello everybody I know that my perspective may not be the same as that of a VoiceOver user; and I promise that I will be sure to try it from that perspective tomorrow. However, from the viewpoint of somebody who has vision, the new iTunes interface is absolutely and totally awesome, one might even go so far as to call it beautiful! I just love the way it brings everything together, including Twitter and, If I am not much mistaken, FaceBook as well. It's absaolutely a pleasure to just be able to click on a tab and see your account all laid out in a nice new interface before your eyes. Very very nice, Apple! So tomorrow I will try it from the viewpoint of a VoiceOver user. Many in here will know that I am passionate about accessibility and I may be in for a disappointment if the interface doesn't come up to scratch for those of you who rely on VoiceOver. Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
having issues with manually manage music in iTunes 11
Hello to all. In doing my podcast on iTunes 11 I found I could not copy from my library to my phone even though manually manage music is checked. I tried everything under the sun but cannot figure out how to do this. Can anyone advise? This makes it easier for me to quickly get rid of and clear stuff I don't need anymore like old chapters of text books. lol! If anyone has managed to do this can someone give some instructions so I can practice and then teach them? Be blessed all. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
How does one sync Audiobooks using iTunes 11?
Hi all, Just curious why when upgrading to iTunes 11, the books area disappears when clickong on the iPhone radio button. I can click on the music radio button and get Music, podcasts, etc whatever I have shown, including books, but not sure how to sync that over to my phone now. Thanks. Orin orin8...@gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
iTunes 11 for old fogies: goin' back to the way it was | TUAW - The Unofficial Apple Weblog
Hello: I hope the below might will help. John http://www.tuaw.com/2012/11/29/itunes-11-for-old-fogies-goin-back-to-the-way-it-was/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11, thoughts?
Overall, iTunes 11 is certainly no worse than iTunes 10 on the Mac when it comes to accessibility. However, Apple could do more to improve Voiceover support (I can't comment on Windows, as not tested it there yet). The first item/button Voiceover lands on is the rewind button, and there is a play button and a next button. So we have a rewind and a next button, so some people might be confused by the lack of a previous button or a forward button. So perhaps the rewind and next buttons should be labelled as previous/rewind button and a next/forward button. The next item which puzzles me is the iCloud button, what does this actually do? When pressing it with voiceover, it does not indicate if it is on or off or if anything has happened when it is pressed. My next issue relates to the 7 radio buttons, the last radio button is read out as Radio radio button 7 of 7. Hearing the words Radio radio button is not exactly intuitive, and I am sure these buttons are actually tabs and not web page style radio buttons. So would it not be better if Voiceover read out these 7 buttons as tabs? then the last tab could be read out as Radio tab 7 of 7. Note: the iTunes store uses tabs, so replacing radio buttons with tabs would give iTunes 11 a more consistent look and feel when it comes to navigating with a screen reader. Finally there is a iTunes Store button, I think it would be more intuitive if the button was read out as Go to iTunes Store button Then when you are in the iTunes Store, the button is read out as Go back to Library button, instead of Library menu button. Calling this a menu button gives the impression a menu is about to appear if you press it. After opening the iTunes Store I am greeted with a back and next button for the store navigation, then there are a series of menu buttons (as voiceover describes them) which are My iTunes Account, iTunes Store home menu button, Music menu button, Films menu button etc. Would it not be better to have these menu buttons labelled as tabs? I also think the home page of the iTunes store is a bit of a mess for screen reader users. For starters the HTML does not follow W3C web accessibility guidelines when it comes to heading structure. For example there are heading 3 items, and heading 5, but there are no heading 1 or 2. It breaks accessibility when heading levels are skipped. The document structure does not follow how it is laid out visually either. The screen reader user hears the headings in the following sequence: Heading 3 Music (this should be a heading 2, and there should be a heading 1 prior to it labelled iTunes Store Home) Heading 3 Films (this should be a heading 2) TV programmes (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Apps (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Late Night Music on TV (should this not be listed under Music or under Feature?) Heading 3 Genius Recommendations (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Books (should this not be a heading 2? Heading 3 Quick Links (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Top Singles (should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Albums ((should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Films (should this not be listed under Films? see all has gone) Heading 3 TOP TV (voiceover reads this as T O P instead of top, and should it not be listed as a sub heading under TV programmes? see all has gone) Heading 3 Top Paid Apps (should this not be listed as a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Free Apps (should this not be a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Books (Should this not be listed as a sub heading under Books?) The above is just a few examples, if you work your way through the iTunes store, you will find many other. I feel the order of the headings does not match how the layout works visually. Chris On 30 Nov 2012, at 03:50, amy gilbert we.are.born.innoc...@googlemail.com wrote: hi all, i've got too many emails to check if there's already been a topic posted on this, but what do you all think of itunes 11? it's going to take me a while to get used to the new layout, but the layout is better, more simplified, and it seems a bit more responsive or is that me? amy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options
Re: iTunes 11, thoughts?
Morning Chris, A superb summary. Have you ever thought of passing this very information on to Apple via the accessibility team? It would probably be ignored but worth it nonetheless in my view. Dónal On 30 Nov 2012, at 09:38, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Overall, iTunes 11 is certainly no worse than iTunes 10 on the Mac when it comes to accessibility. However, Apple could do more to improve Voiceover support (I can't comment on Windows, as not tested it there yet). The first item/button Voiceover lands on is the rewind button, and there is a play button and a next button. So we have a rewind and a next button, so some people might be confused by the lack of a previous button or a forward button. So perhaps the rewind and next buttons should be labelled as previous/rewind button and a next/forward button. The next item which puzzles me is the iCloud button, what does this actually do? When pressing it with voiceover, it does not indicate if it is on or off or if anything has happened when it is pressed. My next issue relates to the 7 radio buttons, the last radio button is read out as Radio radio button 7 of 7. Hearing the words Radio radio button is not exactly intuitive, and I am sure these buttons are actually tabs and not web page style radio buttons. So would it not be better if Voiceover read out these 7 buttons as tabs? then the last tab could be read out as Radio tab 7 of 7. Note: the iTunes store uses tabs, so replacing radio buttons with tabs would give iTunes 11 a more consistent look and feel when it comes to navigating with a screen reader. Finally there is a iTunes Store button, I think it would be more intuitive if the button was read out as Go to iTunes Store button Then when you are in the iTunes Store, the button is read out as Go back to Library button, instead of Library menu button. Calling this a menu button gives the impression a menu is about to appear if you press it. After opening the iTunes Store I am greeted with a back and next button for the store navigation, then there are a series of menu buttons (as voiceover describes them) which are My iTunes Account, iTunes Store home menu button, Music menu button, Films menu button etc. Would it not be better to have these menu buttons labelled as tabs? I also think the home page of the iTunes store is a bit of a mess for screen reader users. For starters the HTML does not follow W3C web accessibility guidelines when it comes to heading structure. For example there are heading 3 items, and heading 5, but there are no heading 1 or 2. It breaks accessibility when heading levels are skipped. The document structure does not follow how it is laid out visually either. The screen reader user hears the headings in the following sequence: Heading 3 Music (this should be a heading 2, and there should be a heading 1 prior to it labelled iTunes Store Home) Heading 3 Films (this should be a heading 2) TV programmes (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Apps (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Late Night Music on TV (should this not be listed under Music or under Feature?) Heading 3 Genius Recommendations (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Books (should this not be a heading 2? Heading 3 Quick Links (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Top Singles (should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Albums ((should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Films (should this not be listed under Films? see all has gone) Heading 3 TOP TV (voiceover reads this as T O P instead of top, and should it not be listed as a sub heading under TV programmes? see all has gone) Heading 3 Top Paid Apps (should this not be listed as a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Free Apps (should this not be a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Books (Should this not be listed as a sub heading under Books?) The above is just a few examples, if you work your way through the iTunes store, you will find many other. I feel the order of the headings does not match how the layout works visually. Chris On 30 Nov 2012, at 03:50, amy gilbert we.are.born.innoc...@googlemail.com wrote: hi all, i've got too many emails to check if there's already been a topic posted on this, but what do you all think of itunes 11? it's going to take me a while to get used to the new layout, but the layout is better, more simplified, and it seems a bit more responsive or is that me? amy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac
Re: iTunes 11, thoughts?
Yup, Have done, and went into more detail fore them. I have also sent it via iTunes Feedback too. So maybe we'll see an improvement in version 12! Chris On 30 Nov 2012, at 10:44, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Morning Chris, A superb summary. Have you ever thought of passing this very information on to Apple via the accessibility team? It would probably be ignored but worth it nonetheless in my view. Dónal On 30 Nov 2012, at 09:38, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Overall, iTunes 11 is certainly no worse than iTunes 10 on the Mac when it comes to accessibility. However, Apple could do more to improve Voiceover support (I can't comment on Windows, as not tested it there yet). The first item/button Voiceover lands on is the rewind button, and there is a play button and a next button. So we have a rewind and a next button, so some people might be confused by the lack of a previous button or a forward button. So perhaps the rewind and next buttons should be labelled as previous/rewind button and a next/forward button. The next item which puzzles me is the iCloud button, what does this actually do? When pressing it with voiceover, it does not indicate if it is on or off or if anything has happened when it is pressed. My next issue relates to the 7 radio buttons, the last radio button is read out as Radio radio button 7 of 7. Hearing the words Radio radio button is not exactly intuitive, and I am sure these buttons are actually tabs and not web page style radio buttons. So would it not be better if Voiceover read out these 7 buttons as tabs? then the last tab could be read out as Radio tab 7 of 7. Note: the iTunes store uses tabs, so replacing radio buttons with tabs would give iTunes 11 a more consistent look and feel when it comes to navigating with a screen reader. Finally there is a iTunes Store button, I think it would be more intuitive if the button was read out as Go to iTunes Store button Then when you are in the iTunes Store, the button is read out as Go back to Library button, instead of Library menu button. Calling this a menu button gives the impression a menu is about to appear if you press it. After opening the iTunes Store I am greeted with a back and next button for the store navigation, then there are a series of menu buttons (as voiceover describes them) which are My iTunes Account, iTunes Store home menu button, Music menu button, Films menu button etc. Would it not be better to have these menu buttons labelled as tabs? I also think the home page of the iTunes store is a bit of a mess for screen reader users. For starters the HTML does not follow W3C web accessibility guidelines when it comes to heading structure. For example there are heading 3 items, and heading 5, but there are no heading 1 or 2. It breaks accessibility when heading levels are skipped. The document structure does not follow how it is laid out visually either. The screen reader user hears the headings in the following sequence: Heading 3 Music (this should be a heading 2, and there should be a heading 1 prior to it labelled iTunes Store Home) Heading 3 Films (this should be a heading 2) TV programmes (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Apps (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Late Night Music on TV (should this not be listed under Music or under Feature?) Heading 3 Genius Recommendations (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Books (should this not be a heading 2? Heading 3 Quick Links (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Top Singles (should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Albums ((should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Films (should this not be listed under Films? see all has gone) Heading 3 TOP TV (voiceover reads this as T O P instead of top, and should it not be listed as a sub heading under TV programmes? see all has gone) Heading 3 Top Paid Apps (should this not be listed as a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Free Apps (should this not be a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Books (Should this not be listed as a sub heading under Books?) The above is just a few examples, if you work your way through the iTunes store, you will find many other. I feel the order of the headings does not match how the layout works visually. Chris On 30 Nov 2012, at 03:50, amy gilbert we.are.born.innoc...@googlemail.com wrote: hi all, i've got too many emails to check if there's already been a topic posted on this, but what do you all think of itunes 11? it's going to take me a while to get used to the new layout, but the layout is better, more simplified, and it seems a bit more responsive or is that me? amy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net
Re: iTunes 11, thoughts?
Delighted to hear that, it's a super summary. On 30 Nov 2012, at 10:46, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Yup, Have done, and went into more detail fore them. I have also sent it via iTunes Feedback too. So maybe we'll see an improvement in version 12! Chris On 30 Nov 2012, at 10:44, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Morning Chris, A superb summary. Have you ever thought of passing this very information on to Apple via the accessibility team? It would probably be ignored but worth it nonetheless in my view. Dónal On 30 Nov 2012, at 09:38, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Overall, iTunes 11 is certainly no worse than iTunes 10 on the Mac when it comes to accessibility. However, Apple could do more to improve Voiceover support (I can't comment on Windows, as not tested it there yet). The first item/button Voiceover lands on is the rewind button, and there is a play button and a next button. So we have a rewind and a next button, so some people might be confused by the lack of a previous button or a forward button. So perhaps the rewind and next buttons should be labelled as previous/rewind button and a next/forward button. The next item which puzzles me is the iCloud button, what does this actually do? When pressing it with voiceover, it does not indicate if it is on or off or if anything has happened when it is pressed. My next issue relates to the 7 radio buttons, the last radio button is read out as Radio radio button 7 of 7. Hearing the words Radio radio button is not exactly intuitive, and I am sure these buttons are actually tabs and not web page style radio buttons. So would it not be better if Voiceover read out these 7 buttons as tabs? then the last tab could be read out as Radio tab 7 of 7. Note: the iTunes store uses tabs, so replacing radio buttons with tabs would give iTunes 11 a more consistent look and feel when it comes to navigating with a screen reader. Finally there is a iTunes Store button, I think it would be more intuitive if the button was read out as Go to iTunes Store button Then when you are in the iTunes Store, the button is read out as Go back to Library button, instead of Library menu button. Calling this a menu button gives the impression a menu is about to appear if you press it. After opening the iTunes Store I am greeted with a back and next button for the store navigation, then there are a series of menu buttons (as voiceover describes them) which are My iTunes Account, iTunes Store home menu button, Music menu button, Films menu button etc. Would it not be better to have these menu buttons labelled as tabs? I also think the home page of the iTunes store is a bit of a mess for screen reader users. For starters the HTML does not follow W3C web accessibility guidelines when it comes to heading structure. For example there are heading 3 items, and heading 5, but there are no heading 1 or 2. It breaks accessibility when heading levels are skipped. The document structure does not follow how it is laid out visually either. The screen reader user hears the headings in the following sequence: Heading 3 Music (this should be a heading 2, and there should be a heading 1 prior to it labelled iTunes Store Home) Heading 3 Films (this should be a heading 2) TV programmes (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Apps (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Late Night Music on TV (should this not be listed under Music or under Feature?) Heading 3 Genius Recommendations (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Books (should this not be a heading 2? Heading 3 Quick Links (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Top Singles (should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Albums ((should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Films (should this not be listed under Films? see all has gone) Heading 3 TOP TV (voiceover reads this as T O P instead of top, and should it not be listed as a sub heading under TV programmes? see all has gone) Heading 3 Top Paid Apps (should this not be listed as a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Free Apps (should this not be a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Books (Should this not be listed as a sub heading under Books?) The above is just a few examples, if you work your way through the iTunes store, you will find many other. I feel the order of the headings does not match how the layout works visually. Chris On 30 Nov 2012, at 03:50, amy gilbert we.are.born.innoc...@googlemail.com wrote: hi all, i've got too many emails to check if there's already been a topic posted on this, but what do you all think of itunes 11? it's going to take me a while to get used to the new layout, but the layout
Re: iTunes 11, thoughts?
Hi, have not got time to have a massive play with it at the moment as i'm about to go to my flute lesson then need to get ready for going away this afternoon. It does seem a simpler layout and more responsive but I think chris points are very valid and i'm glad you've sent the feedback. I did like the source table and i'll be interested too see how it acts when I connect my I device up. When I return on monday I will explore iTunes 11 a bit more. Ian McNamara --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11, thoughts?
hi chris, another annoying thing i've found in the store is that you have to interact with a song's group to play a preview of the song, where as before the button was visible. On 30 Nov 2012, at 09:38, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Overall, iTunes 11 is certainly no worse than iTunes 10 on the Mac when it comes to accessibility. However, Apple could do more to improve Voiceover support (I can't comment on Windows, as not tested it there yet). The first item/button Voiceover lands on is the rewind button, and there is a play button and a next button. So we have a rewind and a next button, so some people might be confused by the lack of a previous button or a forward button. So perhaps the rewind and next buttons should be labelled as previous/rewind button and a next/forward button. The next item which puzzles me is the iCloud button, what does this actually do? When pressing it with voiceover, it does not indicate if it is on or off or if anything has happened when it is pressed. My next issue relates to the 7 radio buttons, the last radio button is read out as Radio radio button 7 of 7. Hearing the words Radio radio button is not exactly intuitive, and I am sure these buttons are actually tabs and not web page style radio buttons. So would it not be better if Voiceover read out these 7 buttons as tabs? then the last tab could be read out as Radio tab 7 of 7. Note: the iTunes store uses tabs, so replacing radio buttons with tabs would give iTunes 11 a more consistent look and feel when it comes to navigating with a screen reader. Finally there is a iTunes Store button, I think it would be more intuitive if the button was read out as Go to iTunes Store button Then when you are in the iTunes Store, the button is read out as Go back to Library button, instead of Library menu button. Calling this a menu button gives the impression a menu is about to appear if you press it. After opening the iTunes Store I am greeted with a back and next button for the store navigation, then there are a series of menu buttons (as voiceover describes them) which are My iTunes Account, iTunes Store home menu button, Music menu button, Films menu button etc. Would it not be better to have these menu buttons labelled as tabs? I also think the home page of the iTunes store is a bit of a mess for screen reader users. For starters the HTML does not follow W3C web accessibility guidelines when it comes to heading structure. For example there are heading 3 items, and heading 5, but there are no heading 1 or 2. It breaks accessibility when heading levels are skipped. The document structure does not follow how it is laid out visually either. The screen reader user hears the headings in the following sequence: Heading 3 Music (this should be a heading 2, and there should be a heading 1 prior to it labelled iTunes Store Home) Heading 3 Films (this should be a heading 2) TV programmes (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Apps (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Late Night Music on TV (should this not be listed under Music or under Feature?) Heading 3 Genius Recommendations (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Books (should this not be a heading 2? Heading 3 Quick Links (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Top Singles (should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Albums ((should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Films (should this not be listed under Films? see all has gone) Heading 3 TOP TV (voiceover reads this as T O P instead of top, and should it not be listed as a sub heading under TV programmes? see all has gone) Heading 3 Top Paid Apps (should this not be listed as a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Free Apps (should this not be a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Books (Should this not be listed as a sub heading under Books?) The above is just a few examples, if you work your way through the iTunes store, you will find many other. I feel the order of the headings does not match how the layout works visually. Chris On 30 Nov 2012, at 03:50, amy gilbert we.are.born.innoc...@googlemail.com wrote: hi all, i've got too many emails to check if there's already been a topic posted on this, but what do you all think of itunes 11? it's going to take me a while to get used to the new layout, but the layout is better, more simplified, and it seems a bit more responsive or is that me? amy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
Re: iTunes 11, thoughts?
hi, i've contacted the accessibility team before now and they've never got back to me, i wish apple had an accessibility team here in the UK On 30 Nov 2012, at 10:44, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Morning Chris, A superb summary. Have you ever thought of passing this very information on to Apple via the accessibility team? It would probably be ignored but worth it nonetheless in my view. Dónal On 30 Nov 2012, at 09:38, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Overall, iTunes 11 is certainly no worse than iTunes 10 on the Mac when it comes to accessibility. However, Apple could do more to improve Voiceover support (I can't comment on Windows, as not tested it there yet). The first item/button Voiceover lands on is the rewind button, and there is a play button and a next button. So we have a rewind and a next button, so some people might be confused by the lack of a previous button or a forward button. So perhaps the rewind and next buttons should be labelled as previous/rewind button and a next/forward button. The next item which puzzles me is the iCloud button, what does this actually do? When pressing it with voiceover, it does not indicate if it is on or off or if anything has happened when it is pressed. My next issue relates to the 7 radio buttons, the last radio button is read out as Radio radio button 7 of 7. Hearing the words Radio radio button is not exactly intuitive, and I am sure these buttons are actually tabs and not web page style radio buttons. So would it not be better if Voiceover read out these 7 buttons as tabs? then the last tab could be read out as Radio tab 7 of 7. Note: the iTunes store uses tabs, so replacing radio buttons with tabs would give iTunes 11 a more consistent look and feel when it comes to navigating with a screen reader. Finally there is a iTunes Store button, I think it would be more intuitive if the button was read out as Go to iTunes Store button Then when you are in the iTunes Store, the button is read out as Go back to Library button, instead of Library menu button. Calling this a menu button gives the impression a menu is about to appear if you press it. After opening the iTunes Store I am greeted with a back and next button for the store navigation, then there are a series of menu buttons (as voiceover describes them) which are My iTunes Account, iTunes Store home menu button, Music menu button, Films menu button etc. Would it not be better to have these menu buttons labelled as tabs? I also think the home page of the iTunes store is a bit of a mess for screen reader users. For starters the HTML does not follow W3C web accessibility guidelines when it comes to heading structure. For example there are heading 3 items, and heading 5, but there are no heading 1 or 2. It breaks accessibility when heading levels are skipped. The document structure does not follow how it is laid out visually either. The screen reader user hears the headings in the following sequence: Heading 3 Music (this should be a heading 2, and there should be a heading 1 prior to it labelled iTunes Store Home) Heading 3 Films (this should be a heading 2) TV programmes (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Apps (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Late Night Music on TV (should this not be listed under Music or under Feature?) Heading 3 Genius Recommendations (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Books (should this not be a heading 2? Heading 3 Quick Links (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Top Singles (should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Albums ((should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Films (should this not be listed under Films? see all has gone) Heading 3 TOP TV (voiceover reads this as T O P instead of top, and should it not be listed as a sub heading under TV programmes? see all has gone) Heading 3 Top Paid Apps (should this not be listed as a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Free Apps (should this not be a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Books (Should this not be listed as a sub heading under Books?) The above is just a few examples, if you work your way through the iTunes store, you will find many other. I feel the order of the headings does not match how the layout works visually. Chris On 30 Nov 2012, at 03:50, amy gilbert we.are.born.innoc...@googlemail.com wrote: hi all, i've got too many emails to check if there's already been a topic posted on this, but what do you all think of itunes 11? it's going to take me a while to get used to the new layout, but the layout is better, more simplified, and it seems a bit more responsive or is that me? amy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply
Re: iTunes 11, thoughts?
the menus in the store though are for newest items etc going to look at iutnes 11 now On 30 Nov 2012, at 12:10, amy gilbert we.are.born.innoc...@googlemail.com wrote: hi, i've contacted the accessibility team before now and they've never got back to me, i wish apple had an accessibility team here in the UK On 30 Nov 2012, at 10:44, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Morning Chris, A superb summary. Have you ever thought of passing this very information on to Apple via the accessibility team? It would probably be ignored but worth it nonetheless in my view. Dónal On 30 Nov 2012, at 09:38, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Overall, iTunes 11 is certainly no worse than iTunes 10 on the Mac when it comes to accessibility. However, Apple could do more to improve Voiceover support (I can't comment on Windows, as not tested it there yet). The first item/button Voiceover lands on is the rewind button, and there is a play button and a next button. So we have a rewind and a next button, so some people might be confused by the lack of a previous button or a forward button. So perhaps the rewind and next buttons should be labelled as previous/rewind button and a next/forward button. The next item which puzzles me is the iCloud button, what does this actually do? When pressing it with voiceover, it does not indicate if it is on or off or if anything has happened when it is pressed. My next issue relates to the 7 radio buttons, the last radio button is read out as Radio radio button 7 of 7. Hearing the words Radio radio button is not exactly intuitive, and I am sure these buttons are actually tabs and not web page style radio buttons. So would it not be better if Voiceover read out these 7 buttons as tabs? then the last tab could be read out as Radio tab 7 of 7. Note: the iTunes store uses tabs, so replacing radio buttons with tabs would give iTunes 11 a more consistent look and feel when it comes to navigating with a screen reader. Finally there is a iTunes Store button, I think it would be more intuitive if the button was read out as Go to iTunes Store button Then when you are in the iTunes Store, the button is read out as Go back to Library button, instead of Library menu button. Calling this a menu button gives the impression a menu is about to appear if you press it. After opening the iTunes Store I am greeted with a back and next button for the store navigation, then there are a series of menu buttons (as voiceover describes them) which are My iTunes Account, iTunes Store home menu button, Music menu button, Films menu button etc. Would it not be better to have these menu buttons labelled as tabs? I also think the home page of the iTunes store is a bit of a mess for screen reader users. For starters the HTML does not follow W3C web accessibility guidelines when it comes to heading structure. For example there are heading 3 items, and heading 5, but there are no heading 1 or 2. It breaks accessibility when heading levels are skipped. The document structure does not follow how it is laid out visually either. The screen reader user hears the headings in the following sequence: Heading 3 Music (this should be a heading 2, and there should be a heading 1 prior to it labelled iTunes Store Home) Heading 3 Films (this should be a heading 2) TV programmes (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Apps (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Late Night Music on TV (should this not be listed under Music or under Feature?) Heading 3 Genius Recommendations (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Books (should this not be a heading 2? Heading 3 Quick Links (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Top Singles (should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Albums ((should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Films (should this not be listed under Films? see all has gone) Heading 3 TOP TV (voiceover reads this as T O P instead of top, and should it not be listed as a sub heading under TV programmes? see all has gone) Heading 3 Top Paid Apps (should this not be listed as a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Free Apps (should this not be a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Books (Should this not be listed as a sub heading under Books?) The above is just a few examples, if you work your way through the iTunes store, you will find many other. I feel the order of the headings does not match how the layout works visually. Chris On 30 Nov 2012, at 03:50, amy gilbert we.are.born.innoc...@googlemail.com wrote: hi all, i've got too many emails to check if there's already been a topic posted on this, but what do you all think of itunes 11? it's going to take me a while to get used
Re: iTunes 11, thoughts?
I was a bit confused by the interface but I started using with in about 10 to 30 seconds of realizing what twas up. Expect a podcast when and if my site comes back up. I won't go in to what happened but I'm trying desperately to get the podcast up again. but over all I love the new interface. It reminds me of an app I'v eased before but I cannot put my finger on it at the moment. Be blessed. On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:22 AM, william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote: the menus in the store though are for newest items etc going to look at iutnes 11 now On 30 Nov 2012, at 12:10, amy gilbert we.are.born.innoc...@googlemail.com wrote: hi, i've contacted the accessibility team before now and they've never got back to me, i wish apple had an accessibility team here in the UK On 30 Nov 2012, at 10:44, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Morning Chris, A superb summary. Have you ever thought of passing this very information on to Apple via the accessibility team? It would probably be ignored but worth it nonetheless in my view. Dónal On 30 Nov 2012, at 09:38, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Overall, iTunes 11 is certainly no worse than iTunes 10 on the Mac when it comes to accessibility. However, Apple could do more to improve Voiceover support (I can't comment on Windows, as not tested it there yet). The first item/button Voiceover lands on is the rewind button, and there is a play button and a next button. So we have a rewind and a next button, so some people might be confused by the lack of a previous button or a forward button. So perhaps the rewind and next buttons should be labelled as previous/rewind button and a next/forward button. The next item which puzzles me is the iCloud button, what does this actually do? When pressing it with voiceover, it does not indicate if it is on or off or if anything has happened when it is pressed. My next issue relates to the 7 radio buttons, the last radio button is read out as Radio radio button 7 of 7. Hearing the words Radio radio button is not exactly intuitive, and I am sure these buttons are actually tabs and not web page style radio buttons. So would it not be better if Voiceover read out these 7 buttons as tabs? then the last tab could be read out as Radio tab 7 of 7. Note: the iTunes store uses tabs, so replacing radio buttons with tabs would give iTunes 11 a more consistent look and feel when it comes to navigating with a screen reader. Finally there is a iTunes Store button, I think it would be more intuitive if the button was read out as Go to iTunes Store button Then when you are in the iTunes Store, the button is read out as Go back to Library button, instead of Library menu button. Calling this a menu button gives the impression a menu is about to appear if you press it. After opening the iTunes Store I am greeted with a back and next button for the store navigation, then there are a series of menu buttons (as voiceover describes them) which are My iTunes Account, iTunes Store home menu button, Music menu button, Films menu button etc. Would it not be better to have these menu buttons labelled as tabs? I also think the home page of the iTunes store is a bit of a mess for screen reader users. For starters the HTML does not follow W3C web accessibility guidelines when it comes to heading structure. For example there are heading 3 items, and heading 5, but there are no heading 1 or 2. It breaks accessibility when heading levels are skipped. The document structure does not follow how it is laid out visually either. The screen reader user hears the headings in the following sequence: Heading 3 Music (this should be a heading 2, and there should be a heading 1 prior to it labelled iTunes Store Home) Heading 3 Films (this should be a heading 2) TV programmes (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Apps (this should be a heading 2) Heading 3 Late Night Music on TV (should this not be listed under Music or under Feature?) Heading 3 Genius Recommendations (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Books (should this not be a heading 2? Heading 3 Quick Links (should this not be a heading 2?) Heading 3 Top Singles (should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Albums ((should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the see all link appears to have gone) Heading 3 Top Films (should this not be listed under Films? see all has gone) Heading 3 TOP TV (voiceover reads this as T O P instead of top, and should it not be listed as a sub heading under TV programmes? see all has gone) Heading 3 Top Paid Apps (should this not be listed as a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Free Apps (should this not be a sub heading under Apps?) Heading 3 Top Books (Should this not be listed as a sub heading
Searching Library in iTunes 11
Hi all, I'm wondering if there's a way to turn off that stupid search feature where it suggests the artists you are looking for? I don't particularly like it, nor do I like this stupid album grid. I like the general layout but I want my list view back. Thanks. Orin orin8...@gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
iTunes 11, thoughts?
hi all, i've got too many emails to check if there's already been a topic posted on this, but what do you all think of itunes 11? it's going to take me a while to get used to the new layout, but the layout is better, more simplified, and it seems a bit more responsive or is that me? amy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
iTunes 11 for the mac.
I'm wary to upgrade to iTunes 11 to early. Does anyone know how it looks re Accessibility? I've had a few fun issues on Windows with JFW which give me pause. smile Danny: --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: iTunes 11 for the mac.
hi, it's really good, the new layout will take a bit of getting used to but it's fully accessible. i installed the windows itunes in my vm and i've noticed the itunes store isn't accessible with jaws am i right? On 30 Nov 2012, at 04:24, Danny Noonan da...@familynoonan.net wrote: I'm wary to upgrade to iTunes 11 to early. Does anyone know how it looks re Accessibility? I've had a few fun issues on Windows with JFW which give me pause. smile Danny: --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
