Re: voices in iOS five

2011-10-14 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi!

As a reply to my own message, I already got this confirmed. It has not been 
fixed as has been thought on the list, speaking of premium voices as originally 
was the case. At least, that's what we ended up talking about.

If you download more than one premium voice and use the language rotor to 
switch to it, VoiceOver still uses the compact voice for other than your 
default language. This also applies to the various regions, so if you want your 
region voice to be premium you have to switch the format. This also applies to 
languages, and furthermore it still appears that voice disappear if you don't 
use them for a time.

That is originally what I mentioned, but if others are getting different result 
that's peculiar since I'm using the same build. Also, I've heard rumors that 
people think the US voice is Jill. It's Samantha, just to clear that one up.

Regards,
Nic
On Oct 13, 2011, at 9:15 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 Hi!
 
 Did they fix it so that it knows to switch to the proper setting now? 
 Previously, it always used to use compact when the compact setting was off. 
 Also, you have to have the default language to the voice you wish to 
 download. That part hasn't chained for me, so if you want to use premium 
 voices, at least in my case compact is what you get with everything else.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote:
 
 Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and
 changeing it that way?  I think that if you do that, there's no need
 to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily
 between British and US English voices on IOS 5.
 
 Best wishes.
 
 Jonathan
 
 On 12/10/2011, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote:
 Hello Nic
 
 Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here.
 Everything goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she
 tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of
 the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I still
 can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I
 personally have never had issues doing this.
 
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Re: voices in iOS five

2011-10-14 Thread Chris Moore
It would make more sense if Apple enables us to decide on what the default 
voice should be.  Should i really have to listen to Daniel every time I hold in 
my home button to verbally interact with my phone?  This does not just effect 
VO users, but anyone who takes advantage of voice commands, especially in the 
iPhone 4s.

Drivers are able to select their preferred voice when listening to GPS systems 
such as TomTom etc.  So as users become more dependant on barking  instructions 
at their phone and listening to the default voice (which they can't change), 
they are going to start demanding the ability to choose what their PA should 
sound like.

Chris 
On 14 Oct 2011, at 12:37, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 Hi!
 
 As a reply to my own message, I already got this confirmed. It has not been 
 fixed as has been thought on the list, speaking of premium voices as 
 originally was the case. At least, that's what we ended up talking about.
 
 If you download more than one premium voice and use the language rotor to 
 switch to it, VoiceOver still uses the compact voice for other than your 
 default language. This also applies to the various regions, so if you want 
 your region voice to be premium you have to switch the format. This also 
 applies to languages, and furthermore it still appears that voice disappear 
 if you don't use them for a time.
 
 That is originally what I mentioned, but if others are getting different 
 result that's peculiar since I'm using the same build. Also, I've heard 
 rumors that people think the US voice is Jill. It's Samantha, just to clear 
 that one up.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 On Oct 13, 2011, at 9:15 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi!
 
 Did they fix it so that it knows to switch to the proper setting now? 
 Previously, it always used to use compact when the compact setting was off. 
 Also, you have to have the default language to the voice you wish to 
 download. That part hasn't chained for me, so if you want to use premium 
 voices, at least in my case compact is what you get with everything else.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote:
 
 Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and
 changeing it that way?  I think that if you do that, there's no need
 to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily
 between British and US English voices on IOS 5.
 
 Best wishes.
 
 Jonathan
 
 On 12/10/2011, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote:
 Hello Nic
 
 Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here.
 Everything goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she
 tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of
 the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I still
 can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I
 personally have never had issues doing this.
 
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Re: voices in iOS five

2011-10-14 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi!

That's another good point. You don't really have any control of it beyond 
VoiceOver, and even so, it still downloads the voice whether you use Voiceover 
or not, and basically whether you want the voice or not.

I find it strange that Apple hasn't implemented a method to disable this, or 
change it at least. For people such as myself, changing the region does it, but 
that's apparently not possible for UK iPhone users.

Regards,
Nic
On Oct 14, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Chris Moore wrote:

 It would make more sense if Apple enables us to decide on what the default 
 voice should be.  Should i really have to listen to Daniel every time I hold 
 in my home button to verbally interact with my phone?  This does not just 
 effect VO users, but anyone who takes advantage of voice commands, especially 
 in the iPhone 4s.
 
 Drivers are able to select their preferred voice when listening to GPS 
 systems such as TomTom etc.  So as users become more dependant on barking  
 instructions at their phone and listening to the default voice (which they 
 can't change), they are going to start demanding the ability to choose what 
 their PA should sound like.
 
 Chris 
 On 14 Oct 2011, at 12:37, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi!
 
 As a reply to my own message, I already got this confirmed. It has not been 
 fixed as has been thought on the list, speaking of premium voices as 
 originally was the case. At least, that's what we ended up talking about.
 
 If you download more than one premium voice and use the language rotor to 
 switch to it, VoiceOver still uses the compact voice for other than your 
 default language. This also applies to the various regions, so if you want 
 your region voice to be premium you have to switch the format. This also 
 applies to languages, and furthermore it still appears that voice disappear 
 if you don't use them for a time.
 
 That is originally what I mentioned, but if others are getting different 
 result that's peculiar since I'm using the same build. Also, I've heard 
 rumors that people think the US voice is Jill. It's Samantha, just to clear 
 that one up.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 On Oct 13, 2011, at 9:15 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi!
 
 Did they fix it so that it knows to switch to the proper setting now? 
 Previously, it always used to use compact when the compact setting was off. 
 Also, you have to have the default language to the voice you wish to 
 download. That part hasn't chained for me, so if you want to use premium 
 voices, at least in my case compact is what you get with everything else.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote:
 
 Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and
 changeing it that way?  I think that if you do that, there's no need
 to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily
 between British and US English voices on IOS 5.
 
 Best wishes.
 
 Jonathan
 
 On 12/10/2011, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote:
 Hello Nic
 
 Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here.
 Everything goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she
 tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of
 the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I still
 can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I
 personally have never had issues doing this.
 
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Re: voices in iOS five

2011-10-13 Thread Jonathan Tyrer
It seems to work as advertised for me at least. I've got the standard
and premium voices for UK and US English and it switches between the
four of them properly.

JT


On 13/10/2011, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi!

 Did they fix it so that it knows to switch to the proper setting now?
 Previously, it always used to use compact when the compact setting was off.
 Also, you have to have the default language to the voice you wish to
 download. That part hasn't chained for me, so if you want to use premium
 voices, at least in my case compact is what you get with everything else.

 Regards,
 Nic
 On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote:

 Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and
 changeing it that way?  I think that if you do that, there's no need
 to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily
 between British and US English voices on IOS 5.

 Best wishes.

 Jonathan

 On 12/10/2011, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote:
 Hello Nic

 Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here.
 Everything goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL.

 Lynne

 On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she
 tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because
 of
 the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I
 still
 can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I
 personally have never had issues doing this.

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Re: voices in iOS five

2011-10-13 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
hello Jonathan

On 13 Oct 2011, at 00:51, Jonathan Tyrer wrote:

Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and
changeing it that way?  I think that if you do that, there's no need
to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily
between British and US English voices on IOS 5.

That's very interesting actually because during the beta cycle developer 
support told us there was no way to change the voices without changing regional 
settings.

Just so I don't mess up, can you describe how you added US English to the 
language rotar?

Lynne

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Re: voices in iOS five

2011-10-13 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello Nic

Where's the setting for premium voices? As you know I don't use VO most of the 
time but when we update Gordon's iPhone later on it would be nice if we could 
switch to a premium voice instead of that horrendous compact Daniel. Daniel 
always sound to me as though he's got his head stuck in a bucket; even on the 
Mac I find him horrendous.

Lynne

On 13 Oct 2011, at 08:12, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

• Did they fix it so that it knows to switch to the proper setting now? 
Previously, it always used to use compact when the compact setting was off. 
Also, you have to have the default language to the voice you wish to download. 
That part hasn't chained for me, so if you want to use premium voices, at least 
in my case compact is what you get with everything else.

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Re: voices in iOS five

2011-10-13 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
hello Nic

That's very interesting; I will check that now because either ours hasn't 
changed, or else they both sound the same to me. :)

Ours spend most of their grime plugged into the computer unless we're actually 
using them. So the voices should definitely have downloaded.

Many thanks.

Lynne

On 13 Oct 2011, at 12:00, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi Lynne,

Usually, the voices download when you plug in the device to any outlet and 
connect it to Wi-Fi. This can be any kind of power source, such as the USB 
cable. In an hour or so, the voice automatically switches but if you want to go 
back to compact, you go into SettingsGeneralAccessibilityVoiceOver and tap 
the Use compact voice switch to on.

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Re: voices in iOS five

2011-10-13 Thread Geoff Waaler
Hi Lynne,

To add language to the main rotor, you would go to settings - accessibility - 
voiceover - language Rotor and select more than one option.  BTW, Daniel 
doesn't sound all that bad to me except that he has this weird accent and 
probably would refer to an elevator as a lift :).

Best regards.
Geoff


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  To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility 
  Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:05 AM
  Subject: Re: voices in iOS five


  hello Jonathan

  On 13 Oct 2011, at 00:51, Jonathan Tyrer wrote:

  Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and
  changeing it that way?  I think that if you do that, there's no need
  to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily
  between British and US English voices on IOS 5.

  That's very interesting actually because during the beta cycle developer 
support told us there was no way to change the voices without changing regional 
settings.

  Just so I don't mess up, can you describe how you added US English to the 
language rotar?

  Lynne

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Re: voices in iOS five

2011-10-13 Thread Gordon Smith
Well, I supposed he could always have been a Geordie … so we must be thankful 
for small mercies! :-o

On 13 Oct 2011, at 15:08, Chris Moore wrote:

Daniel is awful, bud it could be worse, he could have a smoggy accent :p 
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Re: voices in iOS five

2011-10-13 Thread william lomas
do you get the hq voices though or just compact in US

On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:51 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote:

 Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and
 changeing it that way?  I think that if you do that, there's no need
 to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily
 between British and US English voices on IOS 5.
 
 Best wishes.
 
 Jonathan
 
 On 12/10/2011, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote:
 Hello Nic
 
 Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here.
 Everything goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she
 tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of
 the baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I still
 can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I
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Re: voices in iOS five

2011-10-13 Thread william lomas
so all i have to do now is add US english, plug int he phone whilst asleep set 
it to US english as the language and leave it?

On Oct 13, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:

 Hi Lynne,
 
 To add language to the main rotor, you would go to settings - accessibility 
 - voiceover - language Rotor and select more than one option.  BTW, Daniel 
 doesn't sound all that bad to me except that he has this weird accent and 
 probably would refer to an elevator as a lift :).
 
 Best regards.
 Geoff
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith 
  To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility 
  Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:05 AM
  Subject: Re: voices in iOS five
 
 
  hello Jonathan
 
  On 13 Oct 2011, at 00:51, Jonathan Tyrer wrote:
 
  Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and
  changeing it that way?  I think that if you do that, there's no need
  to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily
  between British and US English voices on IOS 5.
 
  That's very interesting actually because during the beta cycle developer 
 support told us there was no way to change the voices without changing 
 regional settings.
 
  Just so I don't mess up, can you describe how you added US English to the 
 language rotar?
 
  Lynne
 
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Re: voices in iOS five

2011-10-12 Thread Jonathan Tyrer
Not yet, but I'm glad the premium voice is her - I hate Daniel!

JT

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Re: voices in iOS five

2011-10-12 Thread william lomas
all I 
 can get is daniel

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 Not yet, but I'm glad the premium voice is her - I hate Daniel!
 
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Re: voices in iOS five

2011-10-12 Thread Jonathan Tyrer
I read it downloads the Premium voice when your plugged into the mains
- tried that?

JT

On 12/10/2011, william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote:
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  can get is daniel

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 Not yet, but I'm glad the premium voice is her - I hate Daniel!

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Re: voices in iOS five

2011-10-12 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello Nic

Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here. Everything 
goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL.

Lynne

On 12 Oct 2011, at 21:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she tried 
it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of the 
baseband. Whether this is still the case, I'm not sure, though I still can't 
understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I personally 
have never had issues doing this.

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Re: voices in iOS five

2011-10-12 Thread Jonathan Tyrer
Why not try ading US English or whatever to the language rotor and
changeing it that way?  I think that if you do that, there's no need
to mess around with the regional settings - mine switches happily
between British and US English voices on IOS 5.

Best wishes.

Jonathan

On 12/10/2011, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote:
 Hello Nic

 Yes, this is still the case. Change regions and you get kayos here.
 Everything goes absolutely mental and our carrier signal goes AWOL.

 Lynne

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 I remember speaking with Lynne about this a few months back, and when she
 tried it apparently the iPhone was unable to change the setting because of
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 can't understand why that would have to change when you switch regions. I
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