Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
I'm trying to assign a new shortcut to the function that's called by Alt+Cmd+F, which puts the cursor into the Search field without opening a new tab or a smart search or whatever. But I can't find the name of the item in the Finder menus... Usually hitting a mod key with the menu opened displays the menus that are accessible with that mod key, but here, hitting Alt only won't make Find bulge. Even though it works for other items... Is that a bug or am I missing something ? Jean-Christophe (sierra.4) ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
On 2017-04-19 (17:07 MDT), Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > > I'm trying to assign a new shortcut to the function that's called by > Alt+Cmd+F, which puts the cursor into the Search field without opening a new > tab or a smart search or whatever. Are you talking about in The Finder? There is Command-F. As far as I know there is no option-command-F > Usually hitting a mod key with the menu opened displays the menus that are > accessible with that mod key, but here, hitting Alt only won't make Find > bulge. Even though it works for other items… Pressing option with the Finder’s File menu open changes several commands to show their expanded functionality when the option key is also pressed, but Find is not one of these because it doesn’t change its behavior. > Is that a bug or am I missing something ? Command-F puts the cursor in the Find field on my machine and only opens a new window if no windows are active. -- Apple broke AppleScripting signatures in Mail.app, so no random signatures. ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 20:32, @lbutlr wrote: > > On 2017-04-19 (17:07 MDT), Jean-Christophe Helary > wrote: >> >> I'm trying to assign a new shortcut to the function that's called by >> Alt+Cmd+F, which puts the cursor into the Search field without opening a new >> tab or a smart search or whatever. > > Are you talking about in The Finder? > > There is Command-F. As far as I know there is no option-command-F Try it. Cmd+F opens a new tab with a smart search. Alt+Cmd+F just put the cursor in the search field. Jean-Christophe ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > Try it. > > Cmd+F opens a new tab with a smart search. > Alt+Cmd+F just put the cursor in the search field. If I have the toolbar visible I do indeed see that behavior. If I have the toolbar hidden (my default) both commands open or convert a window to search. It's not clear to me where that cursor movement shortcut is set or if it's controllable. Maybe a 3rd party tool like Keyboard Maestro or similar would be able to override that shortcut. If I set a different action for Opt,Cmd,F in System Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts I do not get a conflict warning. This leads me to think that setting a different shortcut for that cursor move may not be possible or obvious. -- arno s hautala/-| a...@alum.wpi.edu pgp b2c9d448 ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
Thank you Arno I got used to start searches with Cmd+L (from Notational Velocity) and sometimes I hit that in Finder but that creates an alias instead, so I first moved that to Shift+Cmd+L. I guess I'll keep the toolbar hidden so as to have a consistent behavior, assign the standard Cmd+F to Cmd+L and stop using Alt+Cmd+F altogether. Jean-Christophe > On Apr 21, 2017, at 3:49, Arno Hautala wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary > wrote: >> Try it. >> >> Cmd+F opens a new tab with a smart search. >> Alt+Cmd+F just put the cursor in the search field. > > > If I have the toolbar visible I do indeed see that behavior. > If I have the toolbar hidden (my default) both commands open or > convert a window to search. > > It's not clear to me where that cursor movement shortcut is set or if > it's controllable. Maybe a 3rd party tool like Keyboard Maestro or > similar would be able to override that shortcut. > > If I set a different action for Opt,Cmd,F in System Preferences > > Keyboard Shortcuts I do not get a conflict warning. This leads me to > think that setting a different shortcut for that cursor move may not > be possible or obvious. > > -- > arno s hautala/-| a...@alum.wpi.edu ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
On 2017-04-20 (08:38 MDT), Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > >> On Apr 20, 2017, at 20:32, @lbutlr wrote: >> >> On 2017-04-19 (17:07 MDT), Jean-Christophe Helary >> wrote: >>> >>> I'm trying to assign a new shortcut to the function that's called by >>> Alt+Cmd+F, which puts the cursor into the Search field without opening a >>> new tab or a smart search or whatever. >> >> Are you talking about in The Finder? >> >> There is Command-F. As far as I know there is no option-command-F > > Try it. I did. > Cmd+F opens a new tab with a smart search. No it doesn’t. > Alt+Cmd+F just put the cursor in the search field. That’s what Command-F does on my machine. -- Apple broke AppleScripting signatures in Mail.app, so no random signatures. ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
> On Apr 21, 2017, at 19:50, @lbutlr wrote: > >> Cmd+F opens a new tab with a smart search. > > No it doesn’t. > >> Alt+Cmd+F just put the cursor in the search field. > > That’s what Command-F does on my machine. Ok, that's weird... What kind of setting do you think could change that behavior ? Are there command line only Finder settings ? Jean-Christophe___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
> On 21 Apr 2017, at 05:01, Jean-Christophe Helary > wrote: > > >> On Apr 21, 2017, at 19:50, @lbutlr wrote: >> >>> Cmd+F opens a new tab with a smart search. >> >> No it doesn’t. >> >>> Alt+Cmd+F just put the cursor in the search field. >> >> That’s what Command-F does on my machine. > > Ok, that's weird... What kind of setting do you think could change that > behavior ? Dunno. I have the sidebar and toolbar turned on. If I turn OFF the toolbar, then command-F opens a new window, but so does opt-command-F. > Are there command line only Finder settings ? There are a lot of default write commands that change finder behaviors (show hidden files used to be a defaults write command, for example). Don't think I have any enabled. -- Apple broke AppleScripting signatures in Mail.app, so no random signatures. ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
> On Apr 21, 2017, at 21:20, @lbutlr wrote: > >> Are there command line only Finder settings ? > > There are a lot of default write commands that change finder behaviors (show > hidden files used to be a defaults write command, for example). Don't think I > have any enabled. I was asking more to know what *I* could have enabled that resulted in this behavior :) Jean-Christophe ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
> On Apr 21, 2017, at 21:20, @lbutlr wrote: > >> >> On 21 Apr 2017, at 05:01, Jean-Christophe Helary >> wrote: >> >> >>> On Apr 21, 2017, at 19:50, @lbutlr wrote: >>> Cmd+F opens a new tab with a smart search. >>> >>> No it doesn’t. >>> Alt+Cmd+F just put the cursor in the search field. >>> >>> That’s what Command-F does on my machine. >> >> Ok, that's weird... What kind of setting do you think could change that >> behavior ? It looks like the behavior I have is the standard one: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 Command-F Start a Spotlight search in the Finder window. Option-Command-FGo to the search field. Jean-Christophe ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
That page ("Mac keyboard shortcuts”) lists Option-Command-F in its “Document
shortcuts” section. It’s not a Finder behavior.
I can confirm on 4 different machines running Sierra; in Finder, the Option key
has no effect on the functionality of Command-F for Find. It opens a Find
window and places the cursor in the Spotlight field.
If the Toolbar is hidden it will open a new window. If the Toolbar is showing
it will use that same window. If “Open folders in tabs” is ticket in Finder
preferences it will open a new tab.
If the Option key _is_ having an effect on the behavior of Command-F on your
system, you have some non-standard configuration.
Two easy tests:
- Create a new user account and log into that account. How does it behave?
- Start the Mac in Safe Boot mode. How does it behave?
-david
On Apr 21, 2017, 7:28 AM -0700, Jean-Christophe Helary
, wrote:
>
> > On Apr 21, 2017, at 21:20, @lbutlr wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On 21 Apr 2017, at 05:01, Jean-Christophe Helary
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Apr 21, 2017, at 19:50, @lbutlr wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Cmd+F opens a new tab with a smart search.
> > > >
> > > > No it doesn’t.
> > > >
> > > > > Alt+Cmd+F just put the cursor in the search field.
> > > >
> > > > That’s what Command-F does on my machine.
> > >
> > > Ok, that's weird... What kind of setting do you think could change that
> > > behavior ?
>
> It looks like the behavior I have is the standard one:
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236
>
> Command-F Start a Spotlight search in the Finder window.
>
> Option-Command-F Go to the search field.
>
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Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
> On Apr 21, 2017, at 3:50 AM, @lbutlr wrote: > >> On 2017-04-20 (08:38 MDT), Jean-Christophe Helary >> wrote: >> >>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 20:32, @lbutlr wrote: >>> >>> On 2017-04-19 (17:07 MDT), Jean-Christophe Helary >>> wrote: I'm trying to assign a new shortcut to the function that's called by Alt+Cmd+F, which puts the cursor into the Search field without opening a new tab or a smart search or whatever. >>> >>> Are you talking about in The Finder? >>> >>> There is Command-F. As far as I know there is no option-command-F >> >> Try it. > > I did. > >> Cmd+F opens a new tab with a smart search. > > No it doesn’t. It does on my machine. I had to look close to notice the new tab but it did. El Cap. >> Alt+Cmd+F just put the cursor in the search field. > > That’s what Command-F does on my machine. > > -- > Apple broke AppleScripting signatures in Mail.app, so no random signatures. > > > ___ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
I keep a stock unmodified copy of every OS version on an external. I'll try the
El Cap when I get into the workshop today. If it's not El Cap, let me know.
> On Apr 21, 2017, at 8:58 AM, David Schwartz wrote:
>
> That page ("Mac keyboard shortcuts”) lists Option-Command-F in its “Document
> shortcuts” section. It’s not a Finder behavior.
>
> I can confirm on 4 different machines running Sierra; in Finder, the Option
> key has no effect on the functionality of Command-F for Find. It opens a Find
> window and places the cursor in the Spotlight field.
>
> If the Toolbar is hidden it will open a new window. If the Toolbar is showing
> it will use that same window. If “Open folders in tabs” is ticket in Finder
> preferences it will open a new tab.
>
> If the Option key _is_ having an effect on the behavior of Command-F on your
> system, you have some non-standard configuration.
>
> Two easy tests:
> - Create a new user account and log into that account. How does it behave?
> - Start the Mac in Safe Boot mode. How does it behave?
>
>
>
> -david
>
>> On Apr 21, 2017, 7:28 AM -0700, Jean-Christophe Helary
>> , wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2017, at 21:20, @lbutlr wrote:
>>>
On 21 Apr 2017, at 05:01, Jean-Christophe Helary
wrote:
> On Apr 21, 2017, at 19:50, @lbutlr wrote:
>
>> Cmd+F opens a new tab with a smart search.
>
> No it doesn’t.
>
>> Alt+Cmd+F just put the cursor in the search field.
>
> That’s what Command-F does on my machine.
Ok, that's weird... What kind of setting do you think could change that
behavior ?
>>
>> It looks like the behavior I have is the standard one:
>>
>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236
>>
>> Command-F Start a Spotlight search in the Finder window.
>>
>> Option-Command-F Go to the search field.
>>
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Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: } > On Apr 21, 2017, at 19:50, @lbutlr wrote: } > } >> Cmd+F opens a new tab with a smart search. } > } > No it doesn’t. } > } >> Alt+Cmd+F just put the cursor in the search field. } > } > That’s what Command-F does on my machine. } } Ok, that's weird... What kind of setting do you think could change that behavior ? } Are there command line only Finder settings ? Cmd+F does in fact, by default, open a new tab with smart search. Alt+Cmd+F in Finder simply takes the cursor to the search field. The person who says their machine doesn't do that, has tweaked their shortcuts via the Keyboard system preference. /vjl/___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
Given this corroboration, I won't do the external drive virgin OS test unless asked. > On Apr 21, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Vince LaMonica wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Apr 2017, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > > } > On Apr 21, 2017, at 19:50, @lbutlr wrote: > } > > } >> Cmd+F opens a new tab with a smart search. > } > > } > No it doesn’t. > } > > } >> Alt+Cmd+F just put the cursor in the search field. > } > > } > That’s what Command-F does on my machine. > } > } Ok, that's weird... What kind of setting do you think could change that > behavior ? > } Are there command line only Finder settings ? > > Cmd+F does in fact, by default, open a new tab with smart search. > Alt+Cmd+F in Finder simply takes the cursor to the search field. The > person who says their machine doesn't do that, has tweaked their shortcuts > via the Keyboard system preference. > > /vjl/___ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
On Apr 21, 2017, 10:51 AM -0700, wrote: > > Cmd+F does in fact, by default, open a new tab with smart search. > Alt+Cmd+F in Finder simply takes the cursor to the search field. The > person who says their machine doesn't do that, has tweaked their shortcuts > via the Keyboard system preference. Well, sort of. There are a lot more variables. By default, the Finder’s View menu has “Show Tab Bar” disabled, and the Finder's “New Finder windows show:” preference is set to “All My Files”. With these stock configurations, the behavior is: With no Finder window open: - Command+F opens new Smart Search window with insertion point in Spotlight field - Option+Command+F opens new Smart Search window with insertion point in Spotlight field (identical behavior) With an All My Files window having focus: - Command+F put the insertion point into the Spotlight field - Option+Command+F put the insertion point into the Spotlight field (identical behavior) With an open Finder window other than All My Files having focus: - Command+F converts the window to a Smart Search window with insertion point in Spotlight field - Option+Command+F put the insertion point into the Spotlight field With a Finder window or multiple Finder windows open but without having focus: - Command+F opens new Smart Search window with insertion point in Spotlight field - Option+Command+F brings the frontmost Finder window to focus and puts the cursor in the Spotlight field. -- If the Finder’s View menu is customized to Show Tab Bar (or if a Finder window has any tabs added via Command+T), the behavior is: With a Finder tab other than All My Files having focus: - Command+F adds a new Smart Search tab with insertion point in Spotlight field - Option+Command+F put the insertion point into the Spotlight field -- If the Finder preference is customized to un-check “Open folders in tabs instead of new windows” and the Tab Bar is showing, the behavior is: With a Finder tab other than All My Files having focus: - Command+F converts the tab to Smart Search tab with insertion point in Spotlight field - Option+Command+F put the insertion point into the Spotlight field With a Finder window with multiple Tabs but without having focus: - Command+F opens new Smart Search window with insertion point in Spotlight field - Option+Command+F brings the frontmost Finder window’s selected tab to focus and puts the cursor in the Spotlight field. -- - All My Files _windows_ with focus behave the same as All My Files _tabs_ with focus under all configurations. CORRECTIONS WELCOME!!! -david ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
David, Thank you very much for the detailed explanation. And yes, the page I sent had the shortcuts in Documents and I totally missed that (I googled "Finder Shortcuts", found the file, made a search for Search and found the shortcuts without checking the whole document...) So, back to the original issue, that Option key does change the command behavior *but* unlike other menu commands pressing Alt does not trigger a change in the menu command label, am I correct ? So there are no ways to actually *get* the name of the modified command and change it's shortcut in System Preferences. Can somebody confirm that? Jean-Christophe > On Apr 22, 2017, at 6:22, David Schwartz wrote: > > On Apr 21, 2017, 10:51 AM -0700, wrote: > >> >> Cmd+F does in fact, by default, open a new tab with smart search. >> Alt+Cmd+F in Finder simply takes the cursor to the search field. The >> person who says their machine doesn't do that, has tweaked their shortcuts >> via the Keyboard system preference. > > > Well, sort of. There are a lot more variables. > > By default, the Finder’s View menu has “Show Tab Bar” disabled, and the > Finder's “New Finder windows show:” preference is set to “All My Files”. > With these stock configurations, the behavior is: > > With no Finder window open: > - Command+F opens new Smart Search window with insertion point in Spotlight > field > - Option+Command+F opens new Smart Search window with insertion point in > Spotlight field (identical behavior) > > > With an All My Files window having focus: > - Command+F put the insertion point into the Spotlight field > - Option+Command+F put the insertion point into the Spotlight field > (identical behavior) > > > With an open Finder window other than All My Files having focus: > - Command+F converts the window to a Smart Search window with insertion point > in Spotlight field > - Option+Command+F put the insertion point into the Spotlight field > > > With a Finder window or multiple Finder windows open but without having focus: > - Command+F opens new Smart Search window with insertion point in Spotlight > field > - Option+Command+F brings the frontmost Finder window to focus and puts the > cursor in the Spotlight field. > > -- > > If the Finder’s View menu is customized to Show Tab Bar (or if a Finder > window has any tabs added via Command+T), the behavior is: > > With a Finder tab other than All My Files having focus: > - Command+F adds a new Smart Search tab with insertion point in Spotlight > field > - Option+Command+F put the insertion point into the Spotlight field > > -- > > If the Finder preference is customized to un-check “Open folders in tabs > instead of new windows” and the Tab Bar is showing, the behavior is: > > With a Finder tab other than All My Files having focus: > - Command+F converts the tab to Smart Search tab with insertion point in > Spotlight field > - Option+Command+F put the insertion point into the Spotlight field > > With a Finder window with multiple Tabs but without having focus: > - Command+F opens new Smart Search window with insertion point in Spotlight > field > - Option+Command+F brings the frontmost Finder window’s selected tab to focus > and puts the cursor in the Spotlight field. > > -- > > - All My Files _windows_ with focus behave the same as All My Files _tabs_ > with focus under all configurations. > > > > > CORRECTIONS WELCOME!!! > > -david > > > > ___ > MacOSX-talk mailing list > MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
On 21 Apr 2017, at 11:28, Vince LaMonica wrote: > Cmd+F does in fact, by default, open a new tab with smart search. This is a clean install of 10.12.4. > Alt+Cmd+F in Finder simply takes the cursor to the search field. The > person who says their machine doesn't do that, has tweaked their shortcuts > via the Keyboard system preference. No I have not. The only things I have changed in Finder prefs are to set "New Finder windows show: [HOME FODLER]" instead of All files and have turned off the "Show these items on the desktop." The behavior is the same on both this iMac and on my MBP. option does nothing with command-F on either machine. Ah, wait, there is a very subtle difference. If there is no widow open, then command-f opens a new window and puts the cursor in the search field. If a window is open AND NOT SELECTED, command-F opens a new window and puts the cursor in the search field. If a window is not selected, but open, opt-command-F puts the cursor in the search field of the existing window. -- Apple broke AppleScripting signatures in Mail.app, so no random signatures. ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Finder Alt+Cmd+F ?
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