MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Kevin Callahan]

Is MM having hiccups sending?
I (and others) are commonly seeing an alert panel saying mail can't be sent 
with selected server.
In an effort to solve this, I've forced sending on port 587 -
but that doesn't seem to help.

Suggestions?

K

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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Cyril Niklaus]

On 22 août 2011, at 10:02, Kevin Callahan wrote:

> Is MM having hiccups sending?
> I (and others) are commonly seeing an alert panel saying mail can't be sent 
> with selected server.
> In an effort to solve this, I've forced sending on port 587 -
> but that doesn't seem to help.
Unfortunately I share your problem. I send the email, and when it comes back I 
have to change the selected by default smpt server (MobileMe) to 
smtp:smtp.mac.com:username.
Annoying, since changing the preferred smtp server in the preferences does not 
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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Derek Chesterfield]

On 23 Aug 2011, at 03:14, Cyril Niklaus  wrote:

> 
> On 22 août 2011, at 10:02, Kevin Callahan wrote:
> 
>> Is MM having hiccups sending?
>> I (and others) are commonly seeing an alert panel saying mail can't be sent 
>> with selected server.
>> In an effort to solve this, I've forced sending on port 587 -
>> but that doesn't seem to help.
> Unfortunately I share your problem. I send the email, and when it comes back 
> I have to change the selected by default smpt server (MobileMe) to 
> smtp:smtp.mac.com:username.
> Annoying, since changing the preferred smtp server in the preferences does 
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I had this problem. From the SMTP server pulldown list, there were two for 
smtp.me.com, but when I edited the server list there was only one. I deleted 
that one, and that seems to have resolved the issue. 

I think the other one that appears in the pulldown but not in the editable list 
must be automatically there just by having a MobileMe account configured. 
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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Charles Dyer]

It's a Mail issue or a Mobile Me issue, not a Lion issue, as this problem has 
been present, on and off, since at least Leopard.

On 21 Aug 2011, at 21:02 , Kevin Callahan wrote:

> Is MM having hiccups sending?
> I (and others) are commonly seeing an alert panel saying mail can't be sent 
> with selected server.
> In an effort to solve this, I've forced sending on port 587 -
> but that doesn't seem to help.
> 
> Suggestions?
> 
> K
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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[John Musbach]

It seems like no one can really reliably manage mail services (except
maybe Google?). My ISP, Comcast, frequently has such outages as well
with their mail service. Simply a waiting game I'm afraid.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Charles Dyer  wrote:
> It's a Mail issue or a Mobile Me issue, not a Lion issue, as this problem has 
> been present, on and off, since at least Leopard.
>
> On 21 Aug 2011, at 21:02 , Kevin Callahan wrote:
>
>> Is MM having hiccups sending?
>> I (and others) are commonly seeing an alert panel saying mail can't be sent 
>> with selected server.
>> In an effort to solve this, I've forced sending on port 587 -
>> but that doesn't seem to help.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> K
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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Andrew Brown]

On 24 Aug 2011, at 04:01, John Musbach wrote:

> It seems like no one can really reliably manage mail services (except
> maybe Google?).

Certainly not Google, it throws away all the messages I send to a colleague who 
uses Google, and has many pages of documentation on what to do when messages 
don't get through.

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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Kevin Callahan]

Sent from my iPad 2

On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Andrew Brown  wrote:

> On 24 Aug 2011, at 04:01, John Musbach wrote:
> 
>> It seems like no one can really reliably manage mail services (except
>> maybe Google?).
> 
> Certainly not Google, it throws away all the messages I send to a colleague 
> who uses Google, and has many pages of documentation on what to do when 
> messages don't get through.

Google makes all their money mining your personal information.  Not interest in 
Google at all. 


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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Michael_google gmail_Gersten]

> Google makes all their money mining your personal information.  Not interest 
> in Google at all.

Google makes money by selling ads; google sells ads by good matching
on search terms to relevant documents.

Google could probably give Watson a run for its money.

A while back, the U.S. government made a demand of "Give us everyone's
search records" to all the major search companies. Google was the only
one that said "no". ("Bing" was not around at that time). I trust
Google more than any other search engine for this reason alone.

I have paid attention to the Google privacy policy for Documents and
Mail, as well as the general Google privacy policy. It sure looks like
they do not sell your personal information at all.

If I missed something, please let me know: what makes you think that
Google makes money by mining your information?

Yes, Google does have that ability; yes, it is scary that there is no
law protecting you, despite a recognized 9th amendment right to
privacy; yes, it is scary that courts have ruled that you voluntarily
and knowingly give up that right to privacy when you go online. Heck,
it's scary that courts have ruled that when you call someone, you know
if they have a non-secure radio phone and know that you have no
expectation of privacy. "Expectation of privacy" is something that
courts should ask Juries, or ordinary people; instead, we have judges
saying what ordinary people know and expect with no evidence. (Hmm,
looks like another blog topic to research and post.)

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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[LuKreme]

Michael_google gmail_Gersten  squawked out on Wednesday 
07-Sep-2011@14:52:48
> It sure looks like
> they do not sell your personal information at all.

Of course they don’t. But if you require three layers of tin to go outside the 
house, Google is a big scary monster.

At the very worst, they sell non-personal data in aggregate.

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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[objectwerks inc]

On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Michael_google gmail_Gersten wrote:
> 
> If I missed something, please let me know: what makes you think that
> Google makes money by mining your information?

See those ads popping up when connected to a Google service?

Google is the new Microsoft.
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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[John Musbach]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:12 AM, objectwerks inc  wrote:
>
> On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Michael_google gmail_Gersten wrote:
>>
>> If I missed something, please let me know: what makes you think that
>> Google makes money by mining your information?
>
> See those ads popping up when connected to a Google service?
>
> Google is the new Microsoft.

It doesn't matter (at least to me), it's not like it's a human reading
your email and then configuring relevant ads--it's completely
automated. Besides, I like having relevant ads, I hate seeing things
like Viagra ads when I'm 22 and sometimes depending on the email the
ads can be quite entertaining. I find it funny that people complain
about this, yet these same people search using Google daily and that
service too tracks your searches and ultimate end point for the same
ultimate goal--advertising. But if it's all automated and it's only
for advertising what's the problem?

As I say, if you're afraid of being tracked you either have a over
inflated view of how important you are or you're doing something
illegal that you shouldn't be doing anyways. If you're one of those
people who think the government's spying on you and trying to kill
you, you need to see a therapist and get medicated.

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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Michael_google gmail_Gersten]

> As I say, if you're afraid of being tracked you either have a over
> inflated view of how important you are or you're doing something
> illegal that you shouldn't be doing anyways. If you're one of those
> people who think the government's spying on you and trying to kill
> you, you need to see a therapist and get medicated.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> John Musbach

First: Tell this to anyone that is trying to change their government
in a repressive regime. Or to the anonymous authors of the papers that
lead to revolt in the british colonies back in the 1770's.

Second: If I can target my ad specific enough, I can find out which IP
downloads that ad/graphic. Then I can hunt that person down. Is that
sufficiently non-anonymous/personalized for you?

Third: Are you really saying "If you have nothing to hide, then you
should not mind everyone else knowing everything about you"?

I happen to like my right to privacy, and anonymity.

If you are saying that the only people who are entitled to privacy and
anonymity are those few that are real changers, then you are saying
that the real changers stand out and are easy to spot. The only way
for those people to have true privacy is if everyone else demands the
privacy that they don't actually need.

This is why I'm so disappointed with Tor: they focus so much on the
security and non-trackability of those who need it to the point that
normal people can't use it -- way too slow.

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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[steve]

on 2011-09-13 08:14 John Musbach wrote

I hate seeing things
like Viagra ads when I'm 22


thank you for sharing



As I say, if you're afraid of being tracked


this premise completely misses the point; i'm personally not "afraid", and i do 
use several Google services, but i also think it's important to be skeptical 
and well-informed about Google, Facebook and the lot


while the following essay is about government surveillance, its main points 
land squarely on all types of tracking



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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Macs R We]

On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:14 AM, John Musbach wrote:

> As I say, if you're afraid of being tracked you either have a over
> inflated view of how important you are or you're doing something
> illegal that you shouldn't be doing anyways. 

I agree.  Send me your home address, and tell me where your daughters go to 
school.  After all, if you're not doing anything wrong, what have you got to 
hide?

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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[John Musbach]

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Macs R We  wrote:
>
> On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:14 AM, John Musbach wrote:
>
>> As I say, if you're afraid of being tracked you either have a over
>> inflated view of how important you are or you're doing something
>> illegal that you shouldn't be doing anyways.
>
> I agree.  Send me your home address, and tell me where your daughters go to 
> school.  After all, if you're not doing anything wrong, what have you got to 
> hide?

I don't have anything to hide at all. In fact if you google hard
enough you can find that information about me since some creep stalked
me and mailed my personal information to the linux-kernel list which
is widely mirrored... Took me a week to work with list maintainers to
have the posts removed and to notify Google of the rest that weren't
being removed to have those results buried.


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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Arno Hautala]

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 16:48, John Musbach  wrote:
>
> I don't have anything to hide at all. In fact if you google hard
> enough you can find that information about me since some creep stalked
> me and mailed my personal information to the linux-kernel list which
> is widely mirrored... Took me a week to work with list maintainers to
> have the posts removed and to notify Google of the rest that weren't
> being removed to have those results buried.

I don't get it. If you didn't have anything to hide, why did you go
about hiding the information that was posted? And why refer to the
person as a "creep stalker"? Seems like they were just posting
publicly available, relevant information. If it wasn't relevant to be
posted after all, why would they have gone looking for it and posted
it online? 

I don't think the connection between Google Ads and oppressive
governments is all that apt, but the "nothing done wrong, nothing to
hide" statement is off-base and ignorant.

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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Nathan Sims]

On Sep 29, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Arno Hautala wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 16:48, John Musbach  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't have anything to hide at all. In fact if you google hard
>> enough you can find that information about me since some creep stalked
>> me and mailed my personal information to the linux-kernel list which
>> is widely mirrored... Took me a week to work with list maintainers to
>> have the posts removed and to notify Google of the rest that weren't
>> being removed to have those results buried.
> 
> I don't get it. If you didn't have anything to hide, why did you go
> about hiding the information that was posted? And why refer to the
> person as a "creep stalker"? Seems like they were just posting
> publicly available, relevant information. If it wasn't relevant to be
> posted after all, why would they have gone looking for it and posted
> it online? 
> 
> I don't think the connection between Google Ads and oppressive
> governments is all that apt, but the "nothing done wrong, nothing to
> hide" statement is off-base and ignorant.

Guess it's time to dust off the old copy of "1984" and read it again...
Seems to me "nothing done wrong, nothing to hide" was a NewSpeak slogan.


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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Michael_google gmail_Gersten]

>>> I don't have anything to hide at all. In fact if you google hard
>>> enough you can find that information about me since some creep stalked
>>> me and mailed my personal information to the linux-kernel list which
>>> is widely mirrored... Took me a week to work with list maintainers to
>>> have the posts removed and to notify Google of the rest that weren't
>>> being removed to have those results buried.
>>
>> I don't get it. If you didn't have anything to hide, why did you go
>> about hiding the information that was posted? And why refer to the
>> person as a "creep stalker"? Seems like they were just posting
>> publicly available, relevant information. If it wasn't relevant to be
>> posted after all, why would they have gone looking for it and posted
>> it online? 
>>
>> I don't think the connection between Google Ads and oppressive
>> governments is all that apt, but the "nothing done wrong, nothing to
>> hide" statement is off-base and ignorant.
>
> Guess it's time to dust off the old copy of "1984" and read it again...
> Seems to me "nothing done wrong, nothing to hide" was a NewSpeak slogan.

Just remember, Loyal Citizen, The Computer is your friend. Disagreeing
with The Computer is treasonous. Troubleshooters will be dispatched to
deal with Treason. When they find trouble, they shoot it :-).

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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Arno Hautala]

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 19:49, Nathan Sims
 wrote:
>
> Guess it's time to dust off the old copy of "1984" and read it again...
> Seems to me "nothing done wrong, nothing to hide" was a NewSpeak slogan.

This one has a better ring to it I think.

"Nothing to hide? Nothing to hide."



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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Jared Earle]

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Michael_google gmail_Gersten <
keybou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just remember, Loyal Citizen, The Computer is your friend. Disagreeing
> with The Computer is treasonous. Troubleshooters will be dispatched to
> deal with Treason. When they find trouble, they shoot it :-).
>

"Stay where you are; an operative will be with you shortly." - SLA
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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Nathan Sims]

On Sep 30, 2011, at 3:56 AM, Jared Earle wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Michael_google gmail_Gersten 
>  wrote:
> Just remember, Loyal Citizen, The Computer is your friend. Disagreeing
> with The Computer is treasonous. Troubleshooters will be dispatched to
> deal with Treason. When they find trouble, they shoot it :-).
> 
> "Stay where you are; an operative will be with you shortly." - SLA Industries 
> RPG.

Heh, I submit we're beyond that now. SInce each of us now has a personal 
tracking device, er, cell phone, they know where we are and who we're with at 
all times...

Technology:  One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to 
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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Arno Hautala]

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 13:18, Nathan Sims
 wrote:
>
> Heh, I submit we're beyond that now. SInce each of us now has a personal
> tracking device, er, cell phone, they know where we are and who we're with
> at all times...

Pfft, they use cell phones to give us cancer. They track us through
the plastic strips in our money. That's why I trade in large stone
discs.

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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

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> Pfft, they use cell phones to give us cancer. They track us through
> the plastic strips in our money. That's why I trade in large stone
> discs.

Actually, given how much swipe transactions (atm or credit cards)
occur, and since these are all banks that are subject to government
regulation, and since getting records from banks is not subject to
either the "unreasonable searches" clause nor the 9th amendment right
of privacy, they really can track us through our money.

That is the current legal and technological state of affairs, at least
in the USA.

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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[steve]

on 2011-09-30 12:11 Arno Hautala wrote

Pfft, they use cell phones to give us cancer. They track us through
the plastic strips in our money. That's why I trade in large stone
discs.


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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[LuKreme]

On Sep 29, 2011, at 13:03, st...@paper-ape.com wrote:
> this premise completely misses the point; i'm personally not "afraid", and i 
> do use several Google services, but i also think it's important to be 
> skeptical and well-informed about Google, Facebook and the lot

The summary for me is I trust Apple because they've never given information to 
a third party about me, and I trust google because they don't track me 
individually, only in aggregate, and I mostly trust amazon.

I do not trust Facebook at all (in fact, specific information on the Facebook 
profile is incorrect), nor do I trust eBay, PayPal, MySpace, or most others.

When in buy something online from notAmazon, I buy through Google Checkout so 
the site doesn't get information about me, not even my email address.

Am I foolish for trusting Google? Perhaps, but I've seen nothing to convince me 
they are not trustworthy.

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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Kevin Callahan]

On Oct 1, 2011, at 7:32 PM, LuKreme wrote:

> On Sep 29, 2011, at 13:03, st...@paper-ape.com wrote:
>> this premise completely misses the point; i'm personally not "afraid", and i 
>> do use several Google services, but i also think it's important to be 
>> skeptical and well-informed about Google, Facebook and the lot
> 
> The summary for me is I trust Apple because they've never given information 
> to a third party about me, and I trust google because they don't track me 
> individually, only in aggregate, and I mostly trust amazon.
> 
> I do not trust Facebook at all (in fact, specific information on the Facebook 
> profile is incorrect), nor do I trust eBay, PayPal, MySpace, or most others.
> 
> When in buy something online from notAmazon, I buy through Google Checkout so 
> the site doesn't get information about me, not even my email address.
> 
> Am I foolish for trusting Google? Perhaps, but I've seen nothing to convince 
> me they are not trustworthy.

I wouldn't trust putting their former CEO on my board of directors! 
:-)


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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Nathan Sims]

On Oct 1, 2011, at 7:32 PM, LuKreme wrote:

> Am I foolish for trusting Google? Perhaps, but I've seen nothing to convince 
> me they are not trustworthy.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/30/us-internet-security-idUSTRE78T2GY20110930

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Re: MobileMe sending mail (LION)

[Lawrence Sica]

On Oct 2, 2011, at 10:37 PM, Nathan Sims wrote:

> 
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 7:32 PM, LuKreme wrote:
> 
>> Am I foolish for trusting Google? Perhaps, but I've seen nothing to convince 
>> me they are not trustworthy.
> 
> http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/30/us-internet-security-idUSTRE78T2GY20110930


One thing to remember with Google is your information is the product they sell 
advertisers.  Apple as a contrast sells hardware so your information is not a 
revenue stream for them.  In fact they've done a lot to prevent selling of 
information.

I'd trust Amazon before Google because Amazon sells products not information.  
It comes down to what the product is.  In Google's case their product is you 
and their customer is the advertiser or the carrier/hardware vendor.

Looking at past issues with Google I don't think full trust is warranted.   A 
list of some issues

1. Google Buzz rollout, there were serious privacy concerns there.
2. The whole wifi snooping thing.  We don't really know what they were doing 
with that data.
3. Street view in and of itself has issues since there can be personally 
identifiable images found on it in some cases.
4. The cookie that expires in 2038 for search id.

I've read it's used to tie searches to an id.  If that is true it is a big 
concern because that means your search activity is identifiable.  We know they 
keep extensive logs of searches and only anonymize the data  after 9 months, 
they used to not bother until they got some heat, dropped it to 18 months, got 
more heat and went to 9.  Not sure if it has changed since then

Each of these alone is not enough to merit concern, but in aggregate I think it 
bears watching.  Also google is becoming a storehouse of all sorts of 
information about you, that alone means it merits scrutiny.  Between mail, 
reader, goole plus, google talk, google voice, and google checkout that is a 
whole lot of data they have on you.
At the least it needs to be watched.

--Larry___
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