Re: How to go to a new website in Safari
cmd+l takes you to the address bar. On Sep 25, 2009, at 10:53 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: Guys, AS some of you may know, I'm a guy who doesn't yet own a Mac but wishes to learn as much as I can before buying one. If I open Safari and want to go to a new website using a link which is not on the current page, How do I either move myself into the address bar to type a new url, or, what is the equivalent of the windows command CTRL o in Internet Explorer that opens the dialog box in which you type a new url to go to. Assume that I don't automatically move into the HTML content area when Safari opens. In fact, make no assumptions as to whether I'm in the toolbar, the body of a webpage, or anywhere else I might be dumped when Safari opens with VO active. Currently, I'm grabbing occasional opportunities to practice on my wife's Power PC based 17 inch Mac Powerbook running Leopard. I haven't gone into VO Utility to customize how VO navigates in Safari. I'm familiar with DOM and haven't tried Group Mode. If there's a difference between how you do this in Leopard and how you'd do it in Snow Leopard, please let me know both recipes. Thanks, Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: touch screens?
I actually learned better when I listened to the podcast before I got my IPhone. Then when I actually decided to get one I already knew how to do some thigns. It does make it a little easier to learn the Iphone if you have a little knowledge before. On 25-Sep-09, at 11:05 PM, Victor Tsaran wrote: I really would suggest reading manual. I totally understand your frustration, I went through it myself, but not after I read the manual. Vic On 9/25/2009 5:05 AM, Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: Dear May, it's just a mechanical matter. How can you know which key you press before you pressed it? Actually, you don't press anything you just touch something, but as soon as you touch it the number or function assigned to the virtual key is performed. With a mechanical keyboard you can move your fingers through keys before you press them. How can you do this if you don't feel anything ? Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - *From:* May McDonald mailto:mcdonald@gmail.com *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2009 12:34 PM *Subject:* Re: touch screens? What is it you really want to know or what can't you figure out? I have an IPhone 3gs and love it. The voice over works great and not hard to use once you get use to the touch screen and where everything is located. Would be glad to help if I can. On 25-Sep-09, at 1:30 AM, Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: Hi to all Iphone andIpod touch users. Could you explain to a newbie how you deal with touch screens, I just cant figure it out. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: load of rubbish!
Yup I do apologize, forgive me, I didn't know that non UK people could hear it, how cool, :) On 25 Sep 2009, at 23:20, Justin Harford wrote: Wow just listened. Well I would have to say that apple made a mistake. They designed their phone for competent blind people. Regards Justin Harford On Sep 25, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: For those curious, the audio can be found here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00mr52m I was able to listen here in the states just fine. CB william lomas wrote: hi for those who can listen to the In Touch listen again from last night, on bbc radio 4 they are saying the IPHone is totally inaccessible why do they not give apple credit, where it is due --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Download link for Pages
Thank you Esther, I'll try this. BTW do you use a word processor or just TEXShop? Take care James On 26 Sep 2009, at 17:06, Esther wrote: Hi James, I think you can get the trial at: http://www.apple.com/iwork/trial but I recall there was some slightly tricky interaction required to download (but that was in Safari 3). Cheers, Esther James Nash wrote: Could someone please point me to a link to download an IWork trial? I can't seem to find it on the Apple site. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Snow Leopard and mail preview pane
Hi all, I received and installed my copy of Snow Leopard and now want to turn off the preview pane in mail. Is there a different procedure for doing this in mail now? clicking on the horizontal splitters doesn't seem to work. I have mouse cursor ignores VO cursor set in navigation Any suggestions are appreciated. Bob Hill --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
daisy maker
hi all where do I get the daisy maker, i wish to try and put t.n.a.u.k. newspapers that are in text, into a daisy format Will p.s. I want the maker to keep the daisy book as text though not convert it to mp3 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
load of rubbish
Hi all, I've listened to the stereotypically high nose sounding reviewer of the iphone on BBC, and there are two things i've noticed: -He praises the web very much, and his experience is to that level because he is low vision, not totally blind. -He also congratulates Apple's efforts for a technology which, and he admits it, is still wobbly. The voice control Now the first mention sums up his bias, as if one is low vision, one can still go about the screen and find things. IN which case, for this gentle sir, is feasable on all smartphones. Also, all his comments against Apple are based on amisanthropic response to what his desires were at first. In that i mean that he really wanted the device but it felt short of his wine critic's expectations. Not short enough to lambast Apple and throw the iphone in the bin live on radio, but this says something interesting with twin blades as arbiter. It says that this man sees through marketing lines, and wishes for more advances for the accessibility options. Its actually not a negative, as his voice is one of many different ones, and Apple doesn't decide its vision based on an only partially impaired ball buster from bbc. SO it's still in some ways, constructive and permits more efforts from a company which, after all, sells its products rather expensively, makes a very good margin, and can most probably afford to increase their accessibility section. A podcast from a winge at the periphery of a continent won't either galvanize to stop doing assistive solutions for mac users. Apple Now for voice control, that is the least used feature on the iphone for me. I can seriously care less. I used the first generation iphone with ispeak, while gathering my contacts on itunes. Yes, i was using the 2g iphone as a normal phone, being totally blind. How? by using braille dots on the screen. And i used voice control for calling people. When i received a call, all i had to do is a short swipe at the bottom of the screen near the home button. For text messaging, i found iphone pc suite, and it worked fine. The phone was fine for me, for my needs at that time. But i digress. What i meant to say here, in a converging opinion, is that everyone has different needs and wants from a device. I for one, made the equation by weighing the pros and cons, and i am sticking to the iphone. Also, by using it more, so as many other VI users, it shows apple that we appreciate their efforts and wish them or encourage them to do better, either as blind fans *no pun intended* or as tech-savvy enthousiasts, or even as simple consumers who like the concept of non clutteredf devices. For instance, to get as dirty as this bib boaster, i don't like small keyboards because, living in a hot country, the keys tend to get sticky and accumulate a lot of organic and non organic crap around the creases. A swipe on my pant or shirt, or kleenex is all i need with the iphone. I have a problem with the battery life and such, but i'm more than happy to accomodate with waiting, charging, or switching from 3g to non 3g depending on the occasion. Well, it seems as though i wrote a novel again, but this is what i think about this rubbish talk on bbc. The guy should just be a bit more eye-opened, since he can still perceive light and colors, it seems though that he is darkened just by the fact that everything is a complete blur in his vision, rather the the other extremes, sighted, or totally blind and imaginative. There's no real happiness in being half-assed, so i don;t blame the guy. These opinions are just mine, and i don't mean any offence to anyone. I just don't like subjectively driven journalism, where the subjectivity isn't even funny to listen to, leaving you with a ball of spit in the mouth because there's simply too much nonsense, rigid thinking, or a paycheck that falsifies the whole sincerity of the subject. best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: daisy maker
You would be far better off using Daisy Pipeline for this. It is still gooing to require a great deal of marking up of the content. Greg On 26/09/2009, at 4:58 PM, william lomas wrote: hi all where do I get the daisy maker, i wish to try and put t.n.a.u.k. newspapers that are in text, into a daisy format Will p.s. I want the maker to keep the daisy book as text though not convert it to mp3 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Download link for Pages
Hi James, I think you can get the trial at: http://www.apple.com/iwork/trial but I recall there was some slightly tricky interaction required to download (but that was in Safari 3). Cheers, Esther James Nash wrote: Could someone please point me to a link to download an IWork trial? I can't seem to find it on the Apple site. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Deleting or renaming the Movies, Music and Pictures folders in Mac OS X
Hi folks, I've run into a tiny problem and it's really just a personal preference. I am not a big music fan and i don't watch movies or keep the very small collection of photos that I have on my Mac. I have tried to rename these folders unsuccessfully so I tried to delete them, only to be told that they were required by the operating system. Has anyone found a way of removing these folders or renaming them please? Thanks Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
accessible mobile phones compatible with mac?
Greetings list members, I am in the market for an accessible mobile phone. I am very interested in the iphone for several reasons including the cool factor. :) I am hesitant due to the size of iphone as well as the extra $30 a month i will have to pay for the data plan. If I were to go with a different cell phone will I actually encounter more difficulties? Will my macbook recognize the phone? Will I need to install software on the mac that goes to the phone? Will I have difficulties installing and upgrading the mobile speak, or talks software on the phone since I have a mac? Will voiceover even work with any software that goes with the cell phone? Do you suggest I just go with an iphone since it should work seamlessly with itunes and my mac? What do you all think? I've never had an accessible cell phone and would love to get one since the only thing I've ever been able to do on a cell phone is answer and place a call. :)I would love the ability to use other features such as contacts and calendar. Thanks so much for any insight, advice or shared experiences using the mac and voiceover with an accessible mobile phone. Christina --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: daisy maker
where can i get documentation for daisy pipeliner - Original Message - From: Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: daisy maker You would be far better off using Daisy Pipeline for this. It is still gooing to require a great deal of marking up of the content. Greg On 26/09/2009, at 4:58 PM, william lomas wrote: hi all where do I get the daisy maker, i wish to try and put t.n.a.u.k. newspapers that are in text, into a daisy format Will p.s. I want the maker to keep the daisy book as text though not convert it to mp3 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: daisy maker
Go to the project section of www.daisy.org Gregory Kearney Manager - Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) Email: gkear...@gmail.com On 27/09/2009, at 7:10 PM, will wrote: where can i get documentation for daisy pipeliner - Original Message - From: Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: daisy maker You would be far better off using Daisy Pipeline for this. It is still gooing to require a great deal of marking up of the content. Greg On 26/09/2009, at 4:58 PM, william lomas wrote: hi all where do I get the daisy maker, i wish to try and put t.n.a.u.k. newspapers that are in text, into a daisy format Will p.s. I want the maker to keep the daisy book as text though not convert it to mp3 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Download link for Pages
Hi folks Could someone please point me to a link to download an IWork trial? I can't seem to find it on the Apple site. Thanks james --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: How to go to a new website in Safari
do I have to type VO Command L, or just command L? Kevin -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Stegall Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:33 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: How to go to a new website in Safari Command l will take you to the address field where you can type the url. Randy On Sep 26, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: Guys, AS some of you may know, I'm a guy who doesn't yet own a Mac but wishes to learn as much as I can before buying one. If I open Safari and want to go to a new website using a link which is not on the current page, How do I either move myself into the address bar to type a new url, or, what is the equivalent of the windows command CTRL o in Internet Explorer that opens the dialog box in which you type a new url to go to. Assume that I don't automatically move into the HTML content area when Safari opens. In fact, make no assumptions as to whether I'm in the toolbar, the body of a webpage, or anywhere else I might be dumped when Safari opens with VO active. Currently, I'm grabbing occasional opportunities to practice on my wife's Power PC based 17 inch Mac Powerbook running Leopard. I haven't gone into VO Utility to customize how VO navigates in Safari. I'm familiar with DOM and haven't tried Group Mode. If there's a difference between how you do this in Leopard and how you'd do it in Snow Leopard, please let me know both recipes. Thanks, Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How to go to a new website in Safari
Command l. On Sep 26, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: do I have to type VO Command L, or just command L? Kevin -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Stegall Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:33 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: How to go to a new website in Safari Command l will take you to the address field where you can type the url. Randy On Sep 26, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: Guys, AS some of you may know, I'm a guy who doesn't yet own a Mac but wishes to learn as much as I can before buying one. If I open Safari and want to go to a new website using a link which is not on the current page, How do I either move myself into the address bar to type a new url, or, what is the equivalent of the windows command CTRL o in Internet Explorer that opens the dialog box in which you type a new url to go to. Assume that I don't automatically move into the HTML content area when Safari opens. In fact, make no assumptions as to whether I'm in the toolbar, the body of a webpage, or anywhere else I might be dumped when Safari opens with VO active. Currently, I'm grabbing occasional opportunities to practice on my wife's Power PC based 17 inch Mac Powerbook running Leopard. I haven't gone into VO Utility to customize how VO navigates in Safari. I'm familiar with DOM and haven't tried Group Mode. If there's a difference between how you do this in Leopard and how you'd do it in Snow Leopard, please let me know both recipes. Thanks, Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: twitter for the mac, what will work with vo?
Anna, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi, I use Syrinx, and one thing I love about it is how easy it is to read tweets in the order they were received. You can set a bookmark on the last tweet you read, then use a Go to Bookmark command and press the Spacebar repeatedly to move the bookmark up one tweet and hear it read. I preciously note your mac Twitter client suggestion but as I'm not a mac user yet, something which will probably change in the coming months, I would like to know if you could recommand me a Syrinx equivalent for the windows platform ? Cordialement, regards, -- Claude Renaud --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Playing folders with VLC
Hi folks, Has anyone managed to play entire folders with the latest version of VLC Media Player please and if so how? I am told that VLC cannot play my input. It always used to play anything I threw at it including folders. Thanks Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Copying and creating items in the list view
Hi folks, Can someone please explain to me how to create folders and add items to already created folders in the list view as it seems as if VO works best in this view for me at the moment. It is at the very least a little less verbose. Thanks Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Bonjour de Paris
All, Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: Hi there, my name is Jean-Philippe Rykiel, I'm a musician and I don't have a Mac yet. Very nice to see some people speaking rench there ! Jean-Philippe, I'm also a musician. I used to be a pianist till few years ago. I still have my beautiful Yamaha Disklavier DU1A but have never found the time to take music course again... Yuma, I'm also on the Cecimac mailing list as you and nextly plan to switch from the windows world and plan to dive in the mac world soon... Unfortunately I'm not so comfortable to speak english as you are I just try to do my best... Cordialement, regards, -- Claude Renaud --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: How to go to a new website in Safari
thanks -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chantel Cuddemi Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: How to go to a new website in Safari Command l. On Sep 26, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: do I have to type VO Command L, or just command L? Kevin -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Stegall Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:33 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: How to go to a new website in Safari Command l will take you to the address field where you can type the url. Randy On Sep 26, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: Guys, AS some of you may know, I'm a guy who doesn't yet own a Mac but wishes to learn as much as I can before buying one. If I open Safari and want to go to a new website using a link which is not on the current page, How do I either move myself into the address bar to type a new url, or, what is the equivalent of the windows command CTRL o in Internet Explorer that opens the dialog box in which you type a new url to go to. Assume that I don't automatically move into the HTML content area when Safari opens. In fact, make no assumptions as to whether I'm in the toolbar, the body of a webpage, or anywhere else I might be dumped when Safari opens with VO active. Currently, I'm grabbing occasional opportunities to practice on my wife's Power PC based 17 inch Mac Powerbook running Leopard. I haven't gone into VO Utility to customize how VO navigates in Safari. I'm familiar with DOM and haven't tried Group Mode. If there's a difference between how you do this in Leopard and how you'd do it in Snow Leopard, please let me know both recipes. Thanks, Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone honored by NFB
25 sep 2009 kl. 22.28 skrev william lomas: they can soon praise the iPhone yet slam the mac? hyppocrits That's exactly my thought too. Why praise one thing and diss the other? /Krister --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
VO and apple scripts
Howdy all, Can some one give me a address to check out voice over and apple scripts. Thanks for any help. louie louiem...@wavecable.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Snow Leopard and mail preview pane
You have to click the actual mouse button to do this. Randy On Sep 26, 2009, at 3:52 AM, Bob Hill wrote: Hi all, I received and installed my copy of Snow Leopard and now want to turn off the preview pane in mail. Is there a different procedure for doing this in mail now? clicking on the horizontal splitters doesn't seem to work. I have mouse cursor ignores VO cursor set in navigation Any suggestions are appreciated. Bob Hill --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How to go to a new website in Safari
Command l will take you to the address field where you can type the url. Randy On Sep 26, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: Guys, AS some of you may know, I'm a guy who doesn't yet own a Mac but wishes to learn as much as I can before buying one. If I open Safari and want to go to a new website using a link which is not on the current page, How do I either move myself into the address bar to type a new url, or, what is the equivalent of the windows command CTRL o in Internet Explorer that opens the dialog box in which you type a new url to go to. Assume that I don't automatically move into the HTML content area when Safari opens. In fact, make no assumptions as to whether I'm in the toolbar, the body of a webpage, or anywhere else I might be dumped when Safari opens with VO active. Currently, I'm grabbing occasional opportunities to practice on my wife's Power PC based 17 inch Mac Powerbook running Leopard. I haven't gone into VO Utility to customize how VO navigates in Safari. I'm familiar with DOM and haven't tried Group Mode. If there's a difference between how you do this in Leopard and how you'd do it in Snow Leopard, please let me know both recipes. Thanks, Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Playing folders with VLC
I've managed to play folders just fine. I select the folder and press ok. Keep in mind I downloaded the intel 32-bit version instead of the universal binary, don't know if that makes a difference. Mike On Sep 26, 2009, at 9:43 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Has anyone managed to play entire folders with the latest version of VLC Media Player please and if so how? I am told that VLC cannot play my input. It always used to play anything I threw at it including folders. Thanks Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
skype and the mullti tuch pad help
hey everyone need help with skype i got it installed now and that works but i cant get to my contacts list or anything need help and i mest up vo the outher nite realy bad with useing the mullti tuch pad jesters wow it wouldnt even work so if there is someone on the list that uses the mullti tuch pad conmander would love if they got in tuch with me thanks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Playing folders with VLC
Thanks, I'll see if I can get the 32-bit version in stad On 26 Sep 2009, at 20:13, Mike Reiser wrote: I've managed to play folders just fine. I select the folder and press ok. Keep in mind I downloaded the intel 32-bit version instead of the universal binary, don't know if that makes a difference. Mike On Sep 26, 2009, at 9:43 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Has anyone managed to play entire folders with the latest version of VLC Media Player please and if so how? I am told that VLC cannot play my input. It always used to play anything I threw at it including folders. Thanks Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Copying and creating items in the list view
Hi James, When you're in the folder you want to create a subfolder in, press Command-N. To put items in a folder, copy them with Command-C. HTH, anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Copying and creating items in the list view
Thanks Anna On 26 Sep 2009, at 21:43, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi James, When you're in the folder you want to create a subfolder in, press Command-N. To put items in a folder, copy them with Command-C. HTH, anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Still can't open folders within VLC
Hi folks, Despite a list member's suggestion that I download the 32-bit version of VLC, I still cannot open folders like I could in Leopard. Do I need to install Flip4Mac for VLC to open the MP3 files? Thanks Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
songs appearing in iTunes?
Hi all, I just noticed this afternoon that there are songs in my itunes library that I neither own nor purchased. I first found them on my iphone, but checked and they are also on my Macbook. A couple of the songs in question are: Vince Giraldi Lioness and Lucy Randy Neumann, You have a friend in Me, Red Garland (forget the name) and there was one other i think. Is there any way I can check on the history of these songs? I checked my Purchased playlist, and they don't show up there. I don't mind deleting them, but I want to make sure I'm not getting charged for songs I didn't buy. Anyone seen this before? Thanks, Donna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Some remaining VO issues with Nisus Writer Pro 1.3.1 beta
Hi folks, There still seem to be at least two big issues in the current beta of the Snow Leopard version of NWP 1.3.1. They re: 1. The Style Sheet is virtually inaccessible 2. Whilst the palettes now seem to be labelled, a portion of the drawers and panels are still inaccessible. I am going to send an E Mail to the folks at Nisus with these issues and ask them to fix them. Before i do though, if anyone else is using the beta and has found any issues that i may not be aware of, could they please drop me an E mail either on or off list. Thanks Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Some remaining VO issues with Nisus Writer Pro 1.3.1 beta
What is this program and what does it do? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Nash Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 4:21 PM To: Mac visionaries Subject: Some remaining VO issues with Nisus Writer Pro 1.3.1 beta Hi folks, There still seem to be at least two big issues in the current beta of the Snow Leopard version of NWP 1.3.1. They re: 1. The Style Sheet is virtually inaccessible 2. Whilst the palettes now seem to be labelled, a portion of the drawers and panels are still inaccessible. I am going to send an E Mail to the folks at Nisus with these issues and ask them to fix them. Before i do though, if anyone else is using the beta and has found any issues that i may not be aware of, could they please drop me an E mail either on or off list. Thanks Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: songs appearing in iTunes?
Hi Donna, Did your husband purchase these songs recently, by any chance? I know itunes 9 can be configured so that whenever one person on a network buys music from the iTunes store, the songs they purchase get copied to other computers on the network; could that be it? Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Snow Leopard and mail preview pane
Hi all, I received and installed my copy of Snow Leopard and now want to turn off the preview pane in mail. Is there a different procedure for doing this in mail now? clicking on the horizontal splitters doesn't seem to work. I have mouse cursor ignores VO cursor set in navigation Any suggestions are appreciated. Bob Hill --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Still can't open folders within VLC
I didn't have to install anything extra, I just installed vlc on my snowlepard mac, went to the file menu and chose open, and just pressed return on the folder after brow-zing for it and then hit ok. Really not sure what's happening on your end. Mike On Sep 26, 2009, at 4:01 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Despite a list member's suggestion that I download the 32-bit version of VLC, I still cannot open folders like I could in Leopard. Do I need to install Flip4Mac for VLC to open the MP3 files? Thanks Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VO and screenwriting software
Thank you Justin and James. I've done some early research on your suggestion. Thank you for the reply Israel Antonio Sexy Isra On Sep 25, 2009, at 2:29 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi, Just to add to Justin's post, while you'll have a bit of a learning curve as Justin has pointed out, you can use Latex to format pretty much how you like. Latex' power lies in itn its ability to format, deal with and separate content and structure. Once you've got your Screen play content writen you will be able to format it to your heart's content if the package's defaults do not fit the bill. Take care J On 25 Sep 2009, at 20:24, Justin Harford wrote: Probably better go out and google. If you end up finding that all the graphical apps don't work well however, you might consider the screenplay package class for LaTeX. You might experience a bit of a learning curve at the beginning, but it might be worth it. I looked at the manual screenplay.pdf file and it looks as though the package was written with the Academy of of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences in mind. Justin Harford On Sep 25, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Israel wrote: Hi Everyone! I am wondering does anyone use a screenwriting software with VO? Which software is accessible? All the playwrights and screenwriters I know insist on Final Draft or Movie Magic- the top two Hollywood standards. After much research, I bought Final Draft 7.13 and it worked fine when I was using my PC but upon buying my Mac, I learned that most aspects of FD and MM for that fact are accessible with VO except the actual part where I would write/ edit my screenplays. Montage by Mariner Sotware makes it a point to state that it is 100% accessible to the blind and visually impaired, but various Hollywood screenwriters including John August give them credit for at least trying to compete with the Big 2 but that the software does not always format your scripts properly as Final Draft or Movie Magic do. I know Final Draft released a version 8 a few months back, but I've not been able to find out if it is accessible with VO. So, if anyone knows or has suggestions on screenwriting software which does properly format and is very much accessible with VO, I'd appreciate it. Israel Antonio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: songs appearing in iTunes?
Hi Anna, Nope. My husband doesn't purchase music on the net. I know it wasn't him. Thanks though, Donna On Sep 26, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi Donna, Did your husband purchase these songs recently, by any chance? I know itunes 9 can be configured so that whenever one person on a network buys music from the iTunes store, the songs they purchase get copied to other computers on the network; could that be it? Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
To Alex or anyone who can help: Text to speach/audio workflow
Hi there guys, Just a quick question for Alex or anyone out there that can help. Alex you earlier in the summer put me on to a workflow that opened a textedit document saved on the computer and transformed it into a computer voiced audio file for the iPod. Well it doesn't seem to work with snow leopard. It gets as far as you pick the file and it opens it then it stops. Is there something to do to make it work with SL? I hope so as I need something to convert text into audiofiles for something I'm working on. Can you or anybody help me out? Thanks in advance. :-) ~~~*~~~ Best Wishes- Jenny Kennedy (Howard) Olathe, Kansas USA Feel free to stay in contact with me with any of the following: E-Mail: blueskyes9112...@gmail.com iChat: blueskyes9112...@mac.com (for iChat contact only) Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/ben_folds_fan Friend me on FaceBook, my profile is at: http://www.facebook.com/blueskyes or read and subscribe to my blog: http://blueskyes9112006.blogspot.com Join the Blind Parents Of FaceBook BPFB group on FaceBook. A wonderful place for blind parents to join up and network, share and ask questions. I'm the admin goto person. For more information or to join please see Blind Parents of FaceBook in the search box on FB or shoot me a message via FB msg service and I will add you to the group. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: songs appearing in iTunes?
Hi Donna, Very strange. Is there anyone else on your network? And these songs are really in iTunes - you're not streaming them from a shared computer? Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
snow leopard installed
I managed to get snow leopard and the x-code tools installed. One thing that slowed the upgrade down though was software update went out looking for software to update before the snow leopard disk was ejected and I forgot to tell software update to delay. Safari and mail did take a few minutes to get synchronized but I was warned that would happen by another S.M.M.U.G. member who had already installed snow leopard but other than that the install went pretty well. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
unzipping password-protected archives
Hi, I just downloaded a book from Bookshare and tried to unpack it, and I was surprised to find out that the archive program that comes with the Mac doesn't know how to handle password-protected zip files. I was told it couldn't open the file, and that was it. Is there some setting I can change to make it work, and if not, is there an accessible program for the Mac that can do the job? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 3 features that hmm?
I use only four search rules to locate all the spam that comes into my shellworld.net account and these rules also find ham that was sent me too. The shellworld.net account is a free-bsd account with spamassassin on it. The four rules are as follows and there's no way any offender has managed to get around them either. First; search CC: field for the search term undisclosed and check out minimal information on message headers and toss in spam folder as warranted. Second, search CC: field for email domain mine is shellworld.net and toss when warranted. Third, search To: field for search term undisclosed and toss when warranted. Fourth, search To: field for email domain and toss when warranted. Failure to search for full email addresses has the effect of finding spam that uses another email address on your email domain as a BCC List address. On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Dane Trethowan wrote: My situation is very similar to yours John, if the world stopped using Outlook and Outlook Express in favour of other email clients - Including Apple Mail - then the world would largely be a SPAM-free one, the only SPAM available would be that on the supermarket shelves in cans smile. Up until December 22nd last year, I had been using a different ISP, I had been using them for just over 4 years and with various email clients including Outlook Express, that period saw me migrating from Windows to Mac with my mail. Since I started using my current ISP, I've been using only 2 email clients, Apple Mail obviously and Thunderbird for those times I've been using the Windows PC, I'm sending and receiving more email than i ever thought possible now but I very rarely get an email which is in fact SPAM, I'd be lucky to get one every month or so and the only reason that happens is because we have other people out there using Outlook Express, your email address is collected by that particular computer and transmitted. Anyway getting back to the point, I found - in the days of high SPAM content - the Junk email filtering of Apple Mail to be amongst the best I've ever used with Thunderbird a close second, the training facility is a must use at least for a while until you think you've got the balance right, obviously you're going to need to check your junk folder every now and then just to be sure that you're not throwing away content you wish to keep. I'm not using Snow Leopard yet but I doubt whether Apple Mail would have gone backwards in this regard. On 31/08/2009, at 3:26 AM, John Panarese wrote: Using Mac Mail, I get almost no spam at all. Let me put this into the proper context so you understand my point. When I was using Outlook in its various forms throughout the years, for every 100 messages I downloaded, I was, at the high point receiving about 40 or so spam messages. This is not a joke or exaggeration. It was a frustrating and annoying task to go through mail, and I had read several technical articles that explained why Outlook and Outlook Express were notoriously big spam generators in regard to how header information is easily gotten. I, btw, receive about 500 to 750 messages a day on average. By way of contrast, in the years I have been using Apple Mail, I'd say that for every 100 messages I download, I get 1 or 2 spam messages. More often than not, as this weekend has been the case, it is 0. Note that I have some 6 or 7 active email accounts that include Hotmail, Gmail and AIM as well. Only through the Hotmail account do I still get the occasional garbage on a consistent basis. So, yes, I can say that I get no spam, as I had a pretty substantial experience to compare it to. Nothing is perfect, but I'd say that going from some 40 percent of spam content down to 1 percent is a very nice change of pace and a breath of fresh air. Additionally, I do not get the pornographic and offers for various pharmaceutical products either that were common in my Outlook folders. Take Care John Panarese On Aug 30, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Chris Polk wrote: Just wondering, you said the mac doesn't get spam? I am a new mac user, but i beg to differ with you on this one.lol Spam can find its way in to any mail program.lol On Aug 30, 2009, at 9:51 AM, John Panarese wrote: I will disagree with Anyone who claims that there is no hostility or arrogance from the Windows community towards the Mac and, specifically, VoiceOver. Since VoiceOver became available in Tiger, I have encountered the very behavior and attitudes from Windows users towards the Mac as I have read some Windows users accuse Mac users of showing towards Windows. In fact, at NFB shows, this mentality has probably been the strongest. There is a mindset among hardcore members of the blindness organization of circling the wagons or protecting ones own, and I think anyone who tries to claim otherwise is not living on this planet. Sadly, I think Snow
Automator
Has anyone tried to use automator since upgrading to SL? I find I get an access of busy signals which at times renders the app nearly impossible to use. Justin Harford --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: songs appearing in iTunes?
No. That's why this is so odd. It almost seems like Itunes installed them diliberately. They were all of different genres, as if they wanted to se what might appeal to me. I guess my next step is to call Apple. Thanks for confirming that this is odd. I guess on one level I was wondering if they were sojething that itunes was doing to entice me tobuy more music Best, Donna On Sep 26, 2009, at 10:13 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi Donna, Very strange. Is there anyone else on your network? And these songs are really in iTunes - you're not streaming them from a shared computer? Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone honored by NFB
its about time nfb did some good for a change - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com To: MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: iPhone honored by NFB I didn't notice this mentioned on the list previously. I was one of the speakers at the NFB Web Accessibility Day in Baltimore MD on Tuesday and during the lunch Marc Maurer, President of the NFB, gave out some awards to companies they felt were leaders in the accessibility space. In particular they gave an award of commendation to Apple for the iPhone and iPod touch for doing what many folks said could not be done - to make a touch screen UI fully accessible. I know that the NFB in the past has been a follower in recognizing the feat of design and engineering that accessibility on the iPhone is but it sounds like at least the top brass are now fully aware as Dr. Maurer gave clear praise to Apple and the work done there. Lets hope NFB now give full and fair promotion in the rest of its communications. http://www.nfb.org/nfb/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEWID=468SnID=1364143865 As a side note, it was interesting to overhear the questions folks had of the Apple rep before and after the presentation. Some wanted to know more or how it worked (apparently having never tried an iPhone/iPod Touch). The Apple rep also pointed out that the gesture technology has been backported to Snow Leopard for use with trackpads which was warmly received. I'm sure everyone on this list is fully aware of these things but it kind of surprised me that a room full of accessibility 'experts' were so unaware. CB --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone honored by NFB
Oh, and this isn't at all inflamatory. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Sep 26, 2009, at 11:05 PM, hank smith wrote: its about time nfb did some good for a change - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com To: MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:53 AM Subject: iPhone honored by NFB I didn't notice this mentioned on the list previously. I was one of the speakers at the NFB Web Accessibility Day in Baltimore MD on Tuesday and during the lunch Marc Maurer, President of the NFB, gave out some awards to companies they felt were leaders in the accessibility space. In particular they gave an award of commendation to Apple for the iPhone and iPod touch for doing what many folks said could not be done - to make a touch screen UI fully accessible. I know that the NFB in the past has been a follower in recognizing the feat of design and engineering that accessibility on the iPhone is but it sounds like at least the top brass are now fully aware as Dr. Maurer gave clear praise to Apple and the work done there. Lets hope NFB now give full and fair promotion in the rest of its communications. http://www.nfb.org/nfb/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEWID=468SnID=1364143865 As a side note, it was interesting to overhear the questions folks had of the Apple rep before and after the presentation. Some wanted to know more or how it worked (apparently having never tried an iPhone/iPod Touch). The Apple rep also pointed out that the gesture technology has been backported to Snow Leopard for use with trackpads which was warmly received. I'm sure everyone on this list is fully aware of these things but it kind of surprised me that a room full of accessibility 'experts' were so unaware. CB --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: songs appearing in iTunes?
I'm no expert, but I do a lot of things with Itunes. From the way you describe your situation it sounds like you are getting someone Elses wifi and their play list is popping up on you machine. Go into Itunes preferences, click sharing and turn all that stuff off. Hope this helps. On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.netwrote: Hi Donna, Very strange. Is there anyone else on your network? And these songs are really in iTunes - you're not streaming them from a shared computer? Best, Anna -- Check out our web site, www.giantdolphin.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: songs appearing in iTunes?
Hi Donna, I've never heard of iTunes randomly giving people songs. Are they the whole song, or just a sample? Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Welcome questions and VoiceOver Tiger Resources [was Re: Two small mail and VO questions]
Hi Stan, You wrote: Hi Esther and Anna, I have taken a long time before I replied, as I have been trying and trying to get this to work. I now have it working, and yes I should have said, I am using tiger. The VO H H has no sort option, and yes VO Shift backslash does not work for me. I found that I first had to go to the date collumn, and then using mouse keys 8 14 times to get to the heading,and then mouse key 5 to select the collumn, and then VO backslash, and Yippy It Works. Cheers Stan Tiger. Congratulations on getting your mail messages sorted. Some of the commands are indeed slightly different under Tiger, but I thought that you should have been able to use VO Shift-Backslash, which you correctly stated is announced as VO vertical line, to sort the Date Received column in your mail messages table. At least, I thought so until I went back to my version of Tiger, and found that the sort command did indeed work in Finder list and column views and in iTunes, but for some reason no longer in Mail's messages table! So good work finding a fix. Let me explain that a few of the VoiceOver command keys that use symbols, like the backslash and vertical line keys, don't have easy to type counterparts on non-English input keyboards. On French or Danish keyboards, for example, I believe that typing the backslash or vertical line characters may require pressing the Option key in combination with other keys. The fix that Apple introduced in Leopard was to add options for these hard-to-type functions to the Commands menu. So holding down the Control and Option keys and tapping the H key twice (or VO-H twice), brings up the Commands menu with extra options in Leopard and Snow Leopard for operations like sort (VO-Shift-Backslash) and expanding or collapsing folders (VO-Backslash). This last option shows up in the Leopard Commands Menu as Toggle disclosure triangle by the way -- quite a mouthful. I added a description of the Commands menu option to my reply, because I wasn't sure that you were using a standard English input keyboard. Apple has lots of different English language keyboards -- U.S., British, Canadian, Australian, etc. As far as I know, the sort keys are in the same place in all of them. Since you're posting from South Africa I suppose it's remotely possible that you're a native Afrikaans speaker and using some other input keyboard, so I wanted to cover all bases (smile). I'm puzzled that you had to use Mouse Keys to sort your columns, though this should certainly work. (I'm also impressed that you found this way to do it, using other Universal Access options). There are two different ways to sort columns on the Mac. Sighted users can sort columns by clicking their mouse or trackpad with the mouse cursor focused on the heading of a column. Each time they click the sort order will flip between ascending and descending order. VoiceOver users have a sort command (VO-Shift-Backslash on an English input keyboard) that requires they are positioned with their VoiceOver cursor on the column they wish to sort, but this command does not require that they first also have their mouse cursor routed to this column or, indeed, that the mouse cursor has to be on the heading area for the column. VoiceOver announces the header information automatically in Leopard; in Tiger you had to use VO-Shift- C to read the name of the column heading. However, the VoiceOver cursor does not actually move to the heading of a column. Turning on Mouse Keys in the Universal Access menu lets you move your mouse cursor with numeric keypad, independently of VoiceOver. It's usually used in situations where people need fine motion control of the cursor, since each press of the keypad moves the cursor by one screen pixel. When Mouse Keys are activated, you use the numeric keypad to to move the mouse from its current position by one screen pixel in the direction of each key relative to the central key in the keypad -- the 5 key. So, in the description you gave, by pressing the 8 key on the numeric keypad that is directly above the 5 key, you were able to move your mouse cursor from what was probably the top line in the messages table up to the column heading with 14 upward key presses. I'm not quite sure why using VO-backslash at this point activated your sort. At this point, clicking with a mouse (or trackpad on a laptop) should have allowed you to sort the column without recourse to VoiceOver. (It doesn't matter whether VoiceOver is turned on or not, when you click at this point to sort that column.) Also, you should have been able to sort the column just using VoiceOver (without Mouse Keys turned on), if you first interacted with the table (VO-Shift-Down Arrow), then navigated to the column (e.g. VO-Right arrow to the Date Received column in the mail messages table, optionally
Text to audio workflow solved :-)
Hi all, Just wanted to post that I have my text to audio file workflow problem sorted. Alex was able to help me out so all is grand here. Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend :-) ~~~*~~~ Best Wishes- Jenny Kennedy (Howard) Olathe, Kansas USA Feel free to stay in contact with me with any of the following: E-Mail: blueskyes9112...@gmail.com iChat: blueskyes9112...@mac.com (for iChat contact only) Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/ben_folds_fan Friend me on FaceBook, my profile is at: http://www.facebook.com/blueskyes or read and subscribe to my blog: http://blueskyes9112006.blogspot.com Join the Blind Parents Of FaceBook BPFB group on FaceBook. A wonderful place for blind parents to join up and network, share and ask questions. I'm the admin goto person. For more information or to join please see Blind Parents of FaceBook in the search box on FB or shoot me a message via FB msg service and I will add you to the group. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: songs appearing in iTunes?
If you are in an area with a lot of people using wireless routers you and they can sometimes be getting the same signal. Where I live there are 584 other units in the complex and at any given time there are at least one other wifi network open. If either network are open you and or others will see play lists from other computers. One of the new features of I tunes 9 is the ability to share Itunes content from all the computers in my home network. I have four macs and all have differing content from movies, music and pod casts. Since I neither have the time of desire to duplicate itunes libraries on all those macs I just turn on sharing between the macs I want to use. For example, the computer in my bedroom has a lot of old-time radio on it. If I want to sit in my recliner in the living room and listen to say Dragnet I just turn on sharing in my bedroom and living room, relax and enjoy. In the case of music, whole songs are played and any music I purchase can be copies and sent to any of the computers in my home. Sadly though, this can't be said for music you already own you have to burn that stuff and then take it to others machines. Maybe someday sharing will include private collections. Another added feature in Itunes 9 is one that allows someone to bring their computer into my home and share purchased music like the new Beatles collection, which is on order. I can't wait to hear it in its entirety. If you have questions, I might have answers even if I'm not Radio Shack. On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.netwrote: Hi Donna, I've never heard of iTunes randomly giving people songs. Are they the whole song, or just a sample? Best, Anna -- Check out our web site, www.giantdolphin.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: songs appearing in iTunes?
Could these tunes have come with the machine? They sound just generic enough to be something that would demonstrate the variety of music available. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:42 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: songs appearing in iTunes? Hi Anna, Nope. My husband doesn't purchase music on the net. I know it wasn't him. Thanks though, Donna On Sep 26, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi Donna, Did your husband purchase these songs recently, by any chance? I know itunes 9 can be configured so that whenever one person on a network buys music from the iTunes store, the songs they purchase get copied to other computers on the network; could that be it? Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Snow Leopard and mail preview pane
I thought I saw a response to the question of how to eliminate the preview pane a while back and lost it. Don't own a Mac yet but will want to close preview pane. So, very interested in this problem and the solution. Kevin -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Hill Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:52 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Snow Leopard and mail preview pane Hi all, I received and installed my copy of Snow Leopard and now want to turn off the preview pane in mail. Is there a different procedure for doing this in mail now? clicking on the horizontal splitters doesn't seem to work. I have mouse cursor ignores VO cursor set in navigation Any suggestions are appreciated. Bob Hill --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone honored by NFB
I am surprised and happy with their response to the iphone with voiceover. I wonder if NFB will benefit somehow from the accessible iphone. On Sep 25, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: Yes, but you'd have to turn it on using the iTunes acount to which the iPhone is conected. So, you'd have to use the iPhone owner's computer and iTunes acount, not JPR's. K. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:17 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB or you can hook it up and turn it on in itunes I believe. On 2009-09-25, at 7:27 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: You have to ask the sighted friend to turn it on in preferences, I think. K. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:30 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB Dear Chris, a friend of mine has one of these. Can you simply tell me how to turn v o on and off on his device so I can give it a try. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:05 AM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB It's called voiceover and as something that makes a device accessible via speech and controls, it is voiceover, but with a different voice (not Alex) and a phone-specific set of gestures instead of keyboard controls. That said, it's included on every iPhone 3GS and the newer iPod Touch. Previous models didn't have the hardware performance to run this so there is no upgrade to get VO on the older devices. CB Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: Sorry for a very down-to-earth question, but does the IPhone come with V O as well? JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:48 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB Some have difficulty comprehending what is new and, by definition, not well understood. So they define the new in terms of what's known from the past, but when something is a revolution rather than an evolution the comparisons fail. Some will lodge those failures as the fault of what was being measured and dismiss it as being flawed. Others, more rarely, will correctly realize that the measurement framework has failed and reevaluate their worldview. The NFB has been measuring sharks for a long while and Apple brought in an leopard. It will take time for the definition of 'good' to be redefined. CB william lomas wrote: they can soon praise the iPhone yet slam the mac? hyppocrits --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: unzipping password-protected archives
Hi Anna, You need to get the Unarchiver from: http://wakaba.c3.cx/s/apps/unarchiver.html or else use Stuffit Expander. This is actually mentioned on BookShare's FAQ page. I still keep a copy of Stuffit Expander around, though I haven't come across a file that I absolutely had to use this (and no other alternative expander) for at least three or four years. Some of the password-protected formats are proprietary, meaning that there are licensing fees involved. My main objection to using Stuffit Expander is that Smith-Micro, perhaps the third company to own this product after the original developer got bought out, makes you supply an email address to get access to the product and then sends out huge amounts of spam advertising. If anyone absolutely insists on using Stuffit Expander, the last edition that can be obtained through the versiontracker link that doesn't require you to supply an email address can be found at this link: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/182 This points to the page for Stuffit Expander 13.0.2 (2008-11-06), which is the last version that you can directly download as a diskimage file without registering an address at the Smith-Micro site. It still worked as of three months ago. Otherwise, almost every file you need to unpack that isn't already covered by the Mac's BOM Archive expansion, including the ones from BookShare, can be handled by the Unarchiver. HTH. Cheers, Esther Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi, I just downloaded a book from Bookshare and tried to unpack it, and I was surprised to find out that the archive program that comes with the Mac doesn't know how to handle password-protected zip files. I was told it couldn't open the file, and that was it. Is there some setting I can change to make it work, and if not, is there an accessible program for the Mac that can do the job? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: unzipping password-protected archives
Howdy there. You also have the option of using the built in unzip program in the terminal. 1. Open terminal from the utilities folder 2. in the terminal window, type sudo unzip file path. ~/ is a short cut for the home directory, so if I had file.zip in my home folder I would type sudo unzip ~/file.zip This is what I use to unzip my bookshare files. Regards Justin Harford On Sep 26, 2009, at 10:30 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Anna, You need to get the Unarchiver from: http://wakaba.c3.cx/s/apps/unarchiver.html or else use Stuffit Expander. This is actually mentioned on BookShare's FAQ page. I still keep a copy of Stuffit Expander around, though I haven't come across a file that I absolutely had to use this (and no other alternative expander) for at least three or four years. Some of the password-protected formats are proprietary, meaning that there are licensing fees involved. My main objection to using Stuffit Expander is that Smith-Micro, perhaps the third company to own this product after the original developer got bought out, makes you supply an email address to get access to the product and then sends out huge amounts of spam advertising. If anyone absolutely insists on using Stuffit Expander, the last edition that can be obtained through the versiontracker link that doesn't require you to supply an email address can be found at this link: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/182 This points to the page for Stuffit Expander 13.0.2 (2008-11-06), which is the last version that you can directly download as a diskimage file without registering an address at the Smith-Micro site. It still worked as of three months ago. Otherwise, almost every file you need to unpack that isn't already covered by the Mac's BOM Archive expansion, including the ones from BookShare, can be handled by the Unarchiver. HTH. Cheers, Esther Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi, I just downloaded a book from Bookshare and tried to unpack it, and I was surprised to find out that the archive program that comes with the Mac doesn't know how to handle password-protected zip files. I was told it couldn't open the file, and that was it. Is there some setting I can change to make it work, and if not, is there an accessible program for the Mac that can do the job? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
