Re: macspeech
fromw hat i ahve seen yes i can do training fine i agree but when dictating, it doesn't echo back anything i am saying so it pointless i have to keep reading it manually On 6 May 2010, at 03:24, Ben King wrote: > Dear Phil, > > I have heard that Mac Speech Dictate works extremely well with the Mac and > Voiceover. If you want more information about this, you can listen to a > podcast done by Steeve where he does a demo of this software. I hope this > helps. Have a wonderful evening. > Blessings, > Ben > On May 5, 2010, at 10:39 AM, phil stephenson wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Very interested in how you get on with this as although I use mac at home at >> work I have jaws with the jaysay software and DRagon which works well and I >> would be interested to know wehther or not I can get a similar experience >> with the Mac or if not if anyone knows of any plans for this to come. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Phil >> >> 5 May 2010, at 12:48, william lomas wrote: >> >>> HI, >>> >>> >>> I have got macspeech dictate international now and I have a few queries. >>> Firstly how do I turn on the settings to generate the contacts in my email >>> address book? i.e. send mail to joe blogs? I can't find the settings? >>> I also like the way the training works. It appears in 1.5.8, when you do >>> training it moves on to the next sentence when it has recognised the >>> current one. Now all we need is for it to correctly with VO enabled, echo >>> our phrases rather than just the last word of 2 of a sentence. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> --- >> Phil Stephenson >> >> p...@thestephensons.org >> 07841 714931 >> www.twitter.com/stepphil >> Skype = philstephenson >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > william lomas follow me on twitter: billbow_baggins -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: macspeech
where is the podcast? On 6 May 2010, at 03:24, Ben King wrote: > Dear Phil, > > I have heard that Mac Speech Dictate works extremely well with the Mac and > Voiceover. If you want more information about this, you can listen to a > podcast done by Steeve where he does a demo of this software. I hope this > helps. Have a wonderful evening. > Blessings, > Ben > On May 5, 2010, at 10:39 AM, phil stephenson wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Very interested in how you get on with this as although I use mac at home at >> work I have jaws with the jaysay software and DRagon which works well and I >> would be interested to know wehther or not I can get a similar experience >> with the Mac or if not if anyone knows of any plans for this to come. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Phil >> >> 5 May 2010, at 12:48, william lomas wrote: >> >>> HI, >>> >>> >>> I have got macspeech dictate international now and I have a few queries. >>> Firstly how do I turn on the settings to generate the contacts in my email >>> address book? i.e. send mail to joe blogs? I can't find the settings? >>> I also like the way the training works. It appears in 1.5.8, when you do >>> training it moves on to the next sentence when it has recognised the >>> current one. Now all we need is for it to correctly with VO enabled, echo >>> our phrases rather than just the last word of 2 of a sentence. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> --- >> Phil Stephenson >> >> p...@thestephensons.org >> 07841 714931 >> www.twitter.com/stepphil >> Skype = philstephenson >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > william lomas follow me on twitter: billbow_baggins -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: macspeech
Dear Phil, I have heard that Mac Speech Dictate works extremely well with the Mac and Voiceover. If you want more information about this, you can listen to a podcast done by Steeve where he does a demo of this software. I hope this helps. Have a wonderful evening. Blessings, Ben On May 5, 2010, at 10:39 AM, phil stephenson wrote: > Hi, > > Very interested in how you get on with this as although I use mac at home at > work I have jaws with the jaysay software and DRagon which works well and I > would be interested to know wehther or not I can get a similar experience > with the Mac or if not if anyone knows of any plans for this to come. > > Cheers, > > Phil > > 5 May 2010, at 12:48, william lomas wrote: > >> HI, >> >> >> I have got macspeech dictate international now and I have a few queries. >> Firstly how do I turn on the settings to generate the contacts in my email >> address book? i.e. send mail to joe blogs? I can't find the settings? >> I also like the way the training works. It appears in 1.5.8, when you do >> training it moves on to the next sentence when it has recognised the current >> one. Now all we need is for it to correctly with VO enabled, echo our >> phrases rather than just the last word of 2 of a sentence. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > --- > Phil Stephenson > > p...@thestephensons.org > 07841 714931 > www.twitter.com/stepphil > Skype = philstephenson > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: macspeech
Dear Phil, I have heard that Mac Speech Dictate works extremely well with the Mac and Voiceover. If you want more information about this, you can listen to a podcast done by Steeve where he does a demo of this software. I hope this helps. Have a wonderful evening. Blessings, Ben On May 5, 2010, at 10:39 AM, phil stephenson wrote: > Hi, > > Very interested in how you get on with this as although I use mac at home at > work I have jaws with the jaysay software and DRagon which works well and I > would be interested to know wehther or not I can get a similar experience > with the Mac or if not if anyone knows of any plans for this to come. > > Cheers, > > Phil > > 5 May 2010, at 12:48, william lomas wrote: > >> HI, >> >> >> I have got macspeech dictate international now and I have a few queries. >> Firstly how do I turn on the settings to generate the contacts in my email >> address book? i.e. send mail to joe blogs? I can't find the settings? >> I also like the way the training works. It appears in 1.5.8, when you do >> training it moves on to the next sentence when it has recognised the current >> one. Now all we need is for it to correctly with VO enabled, echo our >> phrases rather than just the last word of 2 of a sentence. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > --- > Phil Stephenson > > p...@thestephensons.org > 07841 714931 > www.twitter.com/stepphil > Skype = philstephenson > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
status on Skype
Hello, In Skype, how can I find out the status of my contacts? As of now, arrowing up and down, I just hear the contact names, but not the status. How do I get VoiceOver to tell me? Thanks. -- Shen goalb...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
itunes question
Hello all, I'm running the latest version of itunes on a windows 7 pc. When I look in my podcasts section, I see 2 or three that have not been downloaded. How do I tell itunes to download these podcasts so I can sync them with my iphone? p.s. I'm close to getting my mac book pro. Hopefully in a couple of weeks I will be able to place the order. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Returning my iPad
Yes, that sounds good, and I thought as you. However, it doesn't work that way in practice. You can pick something from a side bar, and then tap over to the right in order to find the article or what-ever. However, when you start swiping, or if you two-finger swipe down to read from that point on, VO is just as likely to start reading from the top of the page. So, touching is only good for exploring, not for actually picking a place from where to start reading. Sometimes it works, but mostly it doesn't. On the iPhone, you have many screens where controls appear at consistent positions. On the iPad, with the extra screen area, most apps are just filling that extra space up with a browser, where touching doesn't really move your focus to that point like it should, and where you also must often scroll the content area to find what you want. So, you're thinking of the iPad like it will be a big iPhone, with lots of additional screen area for more controls. When, actually, many app developers have just turned it in to a web terminal with a bit of extra bits and pieces to frame the browser view. Browsing with Safari has never been quite as fast for me as the virtual buffer approaches available through the Windows screen readers. Browsing with Safari, while controlling it with touch, is even slower. I can do it, but it isn't the quickest approach out there. The iPad turns every freaking thing in to a web site type experience. I hate that. I don't mean to say that every app is like that. The iWork apps aren't, and neither is iBooks. However, I'd say that over half of the apps that I downloaded that were designed just for the iPad were written by devs that thought that making an iPad version meant that they could just make their app a web application with a local frame of buttons. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 4:18 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Returning my iPad Hi, Still, regardless, I can imagine that it'd be easier to explore the screen. if you frequently visit a particular webpage, you might have the table containing news categories on the left-hand side, and when tapping it, contents might appear in the center or to the right making navigation very swift. I've always loved the exploration part of a touchscreen, and I never swipe anymore. This is why it'd probably be a huge benefit for me to get one because of the size. Exploring, particularly with the iPhone on websites is not the same. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > Olivia, I like the concept of the four finger swipe for navigating between > sections, but it seems that only a few apps support this. It works on the > home screen. It works in the iWork apps. It works in Safari. However, lots of > iPad apps build their interfaces out of just large web browser views. In > these views, there is no concept of sections. You just have a huge scrolling > page with lots of links. Sometimes, they'll use headings, and I can use the > rotor and up/down swipe to navigate between sections. Quite often, though, > they don't, and, together with the problem of swiping not continuing from > where I last touched, there is a massive amount of swiping required to get > around the screen. Lots of swiping isn't a problem on the iPhone and Touch, > as those are smaller screens that hold less data at once, so there isn't much > on any single screen to swipe through. The iPad screens are very full, though. > > Bryan > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of olivia norman > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 5:53 AM > To: list voiceover > Subject: Re: Returning my iPad > > It's always interesting to get another prospective. I do have a case for my > iPad, so don't have to hold it up at all which helps. Personally, I love the > device, but as with anything, people have differing opinions and I actually > found Brian's experiences interesting and valuable to read. > I find that the four finger flick gesture really helps while moving around > most iPad screens, especially in applications such as mail and safari, this > gesture helps avoid swiping with one finger constantly. I also find that > applications such as iBooks and the iWork applications are wonderful > additions to this device, and afford the user functionality ad productivity > you just don't find on the iPhone. > In my way of thinking, these are two different kinds of devices, which > perform different functions and I use and think of them for completely > different things in my life. > There's also the issue with the iPhone's battery life. I can't f
Re: Freetalk headset
I have used one and as for ansewring and hanging up no we can not but th microphone mute (the same button) works just fine On May 5, 2010, at 3:20 PM, william lomas wrote: > hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac? > Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within skype > on a mac or not? > Thanks, WIll > > william lomas > follow me on twitter: > billbow_baggins > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mail crashes when editing sigs and creating them
Yeah really. I reported my own computer specks to them. Take care. S On May 5, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Fast reply or what? A minute later, it's been passed on. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On May 6, 2010, at 1:33 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> *smiles* Yes. This was the bug I meant to report months ago when I found it. >> I managed to create my signature successfully, but when it came to secondary >> signatures, it wasn't working out with editing or creating for me. >> >> There is a workaround, though, to make it work. It is pretty complicated, >> but I'm sure someone can explain the steps better than I can. I'm sending >> this off right now. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On May 5, 2010, at 11:58 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> I sent this to apple as well but here ya go. >>> >>> mail crashes on sig creation or editing. also for apple accessibility >>> http://twaud.io/Vn3 >>> >>> Hopefully non twitter people can play this as well. >>> >>> Take care. >>> >>> S >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mail crashes when editing sigs and creating them
Ype I got a responce. they understood what I was trying to do. hopefully you can follow up hwat I said in my explainination. Take care. On May 5, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > *smiles* Yes. This was the bug I meant to report months ago when I found it. > I managed to create my signature successfully, but when it came to secondary > signatures, it wasn't working out with editing or creating for me. > > There is a workaround, though, to make it work. It is pretty complicated, but > I'm sure someone can explain the steps better than I can. I'm sending this > off right now. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On May 5, 2010, at 11:58 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I sent this to apple as well but here ya go. >> >> mail crashes on sig creation or editing. also for apple accessibility >> http://twaud.io/Vn3 >> >> Hopefully non twitter people can play this as well. >> >> Take care. >> >> S >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mail crashes when editing sigs and creating them
Hi, Fast reply or what? A minute later, it's been passed on. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 6, 2010, at 1:33 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > *smiles* Yes. This was the bug I meant to report months ago when I found it. > I managed to create my signature successfully, but when it came to secondary > signatures, it wasn't working out with editing or creating for me. > > There is a workaround, though, to make it work. It is pretty complicated, but > I'm sure someone can explain the steps better than I can. I'm sending this > off right now. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On May 5, 2010, at 11:58 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I sent this to apple as well but here ya go. >> >> mail crashes on sig creation or editing. also for apple accessibility >> http://twaud.io/Vn3 >> >> Hopefully non twitter people can play this as well. >> >> Take care. >> >> S >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Returning my iPad
Being a newcomer to the Apple family, having just gotten a MBP back in December and an IPod Touch a few months before that, I was really giving a long look at the IPad. Of course, I have a Windows Mobile phone (an HTC Touch Pro) I bought just before the IPhone became accessible. I was a little bummed when I realized I could have bought a phone with built-in accessability for nearly the same price I paid for Mobile Speak Pocket by itself. I have another year on my contract with Sprint and then I will give the IPhone another look. Of course, I really just wish Sprint would get the IPhone so I wouldn't have to switch carriers. I have a really good plan with a really good rate that I don't think I'll be able to duplicate withAT&T.. I really appreciate everyone's input here, whether they be pros or cons. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
creating audio books from text
Hi all, I have some troubles to create spoken text from a text so that I can listen to it on my daisy/mp3 player. I have scanned a book in rtf-format and the rtf has a size of +- 4.5 MB. I have tried the following: I was trying with open office 3.2 and the plugin dtb2daisy to make a daisy book of the text/mp3 the in both processes, ooo was crashing/hanging. I had also tried with success to generate a mp3 from the text with the workflow from www.universalaccess.it. This workflow uses itunes to generate a mp3 from the text. But, the problem is here that the mp3 is so big and the mp3player can't mark places in the mp3 so I can't read the book comfortably. What I am looking for: 1. a program for the mac to generate a daisy 2.02 structure based on a text or a corresponding singel mp3-file; or 2. a extension on the workflow that converts readable text to spoken text with itunes but it should take a new mp3 for every new page; or Other suggestions are also very welcome thanx alot for your toughest about this kind regards, William -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mail crashes when editing sigs and creating them
Hi, *smiles* Yes. This was the bug I meant to report months ago when I found it. I managed to create my signature successfully, but when it came to secondary signatures, it wasn't working out with editing or creating for me. There is a workaround, though, to make it work. It is pretty complicated, but I'm sure someone can explain the steps better than I can. I'm sending this off right now. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 11:58 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I sent this to apple as well but here ya go. > > mail crashes on sig creation or editing. also for apple accessibility > http://twaud.io/Vn3 > > Hopefully non twitter people can play this as well. > > Take care. > > S > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Returning my iPad
for me a mbp and a touch is good enough, if something packs it in I'll consider it, but for now I'm technology happy with what I have. On 2010-05-05, at 2:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I don't think I'll buy one as I have a lapotp and hopefully will be getting > an iphone so I hope for now all of my needs are solved. > > Take care. > > S > > Good luck. > On May 5, 2010, at 2:56 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> The iWork suite is probably what will cause me to buy it in the end. I have >> heard blind and sighted perspectives alike on the iPad, and some simply >> present an issue I have never even considered. Nevertheless, all opinions >> are of course valuable, and they are definitely helping me decide whether or >> not I am going to buy one. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On May 5, 2010, at 11:52 AM, olivia norman wrote: >> >>> It's always interesting to get another prospective. I do have a case for >>> my iPad, so don't have to hold it up at all which helps. Personally, I >>> love the device, but as with anything, people have differing opinions and I >>> actually found Brian's experiences interesting and valuable to read. >>> I find that the four finger flick gesture really helps while moving around >>> most iPad screens, especially in applications such as mail and safari, this >>> gesture helps avoid swiping with one finger constantly. I also find that >>> applications such as iBooks and the iWork applications are wonderful >>> additions to this device, and afford the user functionality ad productivity >>> you just don't find on the iPhone. >>> In my way of thinking, these are two different kinds of devices, which >>> perform different functions and I use and think of them for completely >>> different things in my life. >>> There's also the issue with the iPhone's battery life. I can't for >>> instance, watch a movie or stream a youtube video for any length of time >>> with out experiencing significant battery drain. On my iPad, I am able to >>> watch videos for hours, no problem. >>> The case is a great, and IMO, needed, extra with the iPad for both blid and >>> sighted users. It allows for more comfortable use of the iPad and means >>> that you don't have to hold it or risk it falling. You can purchase it >>> from apple for about $39.99. >>> I am sorry to hear the iPad didn't work for you, Brian, and your experience >>> just shows that not every piece of technology works well for every user. >>> Thank you for posting this to the list! Have a great day! :) >>> Olivia >>> On May 5, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> Hi, He was saying it was uncomfortable to move around on the larger screen. If he has the case and puts it on a table, I'd imagine this would be a lot easier. At least, it sure would for me and would give me a better overview than having it in my lap, for example. Or, the frequent complaint that is often heard is that holding it up is also uncomfortable, which makes sense too. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: > What would the case solve though? > > I also have the vo freezing problem on my touch; I expected it to be > at least partly fixed on the ipad. > > On 05/05/2010, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Just one question. >> >> Why not get the iPad case and put it in there? That just seems like a >> logical solution to your dilemma. If you haven't sold it yet, give it >> here. >> lol >> >> Really, I've always thought the iPhone was mainly for a consumer. You can >> write long documents on it, but it is far from comfortable and very >> efficient. Well, you can write really quickly on that device, but >> really, it >> might get tiresome after a while. We will have Bluetooth keyboard >> support, >> though, so that is very exciting. >> >> I imagine the screen to be exactly the opposite of what you are saying. >> Sorry to disagree. I think the larger screen would aid me a great deal, >> and >> the split-screen is just a nifty feature to me. I won't get an iPad, >> though, >> and I have a lot of reasons for that. I'll try out an iPad at the end of >> May >> when they ship internationally, but I'm not going to be that excited. >> >> First, what can the iPad do that my iPhone cannot? iWork? Perhaps. But >> right >> now, I don't see myself using an iPad. Technically, the space I would >> take >> up if I hook up a bl
bookshare on the mac
Hi I just got my subscription for bookshare but I am having trouble. Can someone tell me what they are using to download and unzip files from bookshare on the Mac? Any help would be appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
mail crashes when editing sigs and creating them
I sent this to apple as well but here ya go. mail crashes on sig creation or editing. also for apple accessibility http://twaud.io/Vn3 Hopefully non twitter people can play this as well. Take care. S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Returning my iPad
yes same here. the iphone and mac book will do what I need it to for now anyways. Take care. S On May 5, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Christina wrote: > Thanks so much for composing this e-mail. I completely appreciate it. I > tried out an i-pad at Best Buy. I was not so enthusiastic after I tried it. > So, does Best Buy charge the same restocking fee that the apple store does? > Ok, that was just a side question. :) I was not as excited about the i-pad > after I tried it because the main use I would get out of the larger screen > was surfing the web with the larger screen and maybe the ibook store. I > found the size kind of awkward and felt I would rather be on my macbook. I > have been holding out to get the iphone this summer and I just could not > justify the expense of the i-pad at this time because I could not figure out > how it would fulfill a need that the iphone would not. It is still very cool > and I love that apple has made it accessible out of the box but for now, I > just plan on waiting for improvements. I'm also waiting to see if I could > justify the expense after getting the iphone this summer. My kids loved the > i-pad though and I see how it can be used for educational purposes but it > still seems sort of large and awkward to hold. :) For me it's not a "no way > would I buy an i-pad" but I'm at a wait and see point. I'm definitely not > jumping through hoops to purchase one today. It'd still be cool to have one > but I'm just not sold enough yet to invest financially in the i-pad. Maybe > down the road it will fulfill a need for me and my family, but right now It > just does not seem to. > > Thanks for the insight in this e-mail, it really helped me with some things I > have and have not thought of. You did a great job detailing your experience. > I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one just not ready to purchase one > until I feel the ipad fills a need that justifies the expense. So, right > now, I'm eagerly awaiting getting an iphone this summer. :) Once I have an > iphone I'll have a much clearer idea if the ipad will fill a need that the > iphone cannot. > > Again, thanks for being brave enough to post this e-mail. > > Christina > On May 4, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > >> OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already >> decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the >> lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that is >> always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so >> expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. >> >> I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is >> slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is >> terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an >> impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. >> >> I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an >> iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it >> should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position of >> known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would have >> a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours using >> apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the power >> away. >> >> The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the >> battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for a >> very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, and >> the battery just keeps on going. >> >> Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the tech >> behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, though, as >> a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. >> >> Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. >> >> The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching >> video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. >> Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an >> iPad or iPhone speaker. >> >> I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, >> it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at >> different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad >> screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire >> arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of >> computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold >> your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the screen >> with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to jump to >> some random position on the screen. This is particularly fr
Re: Returning my iPad
Thanks so much for composing this e-mail. I completely appreciate it. I tried out an i-pad at Best Buy. I was not so enthusiastic after I tried it. So, does Best Buy charge the same restocking fee that the apple store does? Ok, that was just a side question. :) I was not as excited about the i-pad after I tried it because the main use I would get out of the larger screen was surfing the web with the larger screen and maybe the ibook store. I found the size kind of awkward and felt I would rather be on my macbook. I have been holding out to get the iphone this summer and I just could not justify the expense of the i-pad at this time because I could not figure out how it would fulfill a need that the iphone would not. It is still very cool and I love that apple has made it accessible out of the box but for now, I just plan on waiting for improvements. I'm also waiting to see if I could justify the expense after getting the iphone this summer. My kids loved the i-pad though and I see how it can be used for educational purposes but it still seems sort of large and awkward to hold. :) For me it's not a "no way would I buy an i-pad" but I'm at a wait and see point. I'm definitely not jumping through hoops to purchase one today. It'd still be cool to have one but I'm just not sold enough yet to invest financially in the i-pad. Maybe down the road it will fulfill a need for me and my family, but right now It just does not seem to. Thanks for the insight in this e-mail, it really helped me with some things I have and have not thought of. You did a great job detailing your experience. I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one just not ready to purchase one until I feel the ipad fills a need that justifies the expense. So, right now, I'm eagerly awaiting getting an iphone this summer. :) Once I have an iphone I'll have a much clearer idea if the ipad will fill a need that the iphone cannot. Again, thanks for being brave enough to post this e-mail. Christina On May 4, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already > decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the > lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that is > always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so > expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. > > I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is slower > to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is terrible > when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an impressive > piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. > > I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an > iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it > should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position of > known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would have > a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours using > apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the power > away. > > The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the > battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for a > very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, and > the battery just keeps on going. > > Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the tech > behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, though, as a > blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. > > Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. > > The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching > video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. > Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an > iPad or iPhone speaker. > > I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, it > makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at different > positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad screen is huge > when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire arm in order to > navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of computing, because > your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold your arm up, with > your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the screen with part of your > wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to jump to some random position > on the screen. This is particularly frustrating because there is so much > content on an iPad screen. If you navigate through controls by swiping, > you'll be swiping and swiping and swiping and swiping to get to where you'd > like. Of course, you can directly explore with your finger, but I
Re: Returning my iPad
I'm still not sure If I'd get one, but I'm leaning towards it as I'm of the low-vision caliber myself. I'd love it for instant large print reading of pdf documents, books, and web pages. You just get so much more information with that bigger screen. No, it's not a laptop replacement, but, It would allow me to leave my precious MBP at home, with its' delicate HD and cd/dvd-rw drive, that can easily break in transit. I don't know If It would allow me to leave my ipod at home, as I couldn't find a way to lock all controls, and still have music playing while the IPad hangs in a bag. I do know the $79 apple headphones will let you stop, play, and skip to the next song in a playlist, but navigation I'm not sure about. So many questions and so little precious time in the Apple store makes it hard to check out everything. On May 5, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > You are very right that, for a low vision user, the iPad would be superior > because of the larger screen. > > I left out the Touch because it lacks 3G data and GPS. Without those, many of > the possibilities of apps are cut out. > > The technology is impressive. The question is, in what form factor would it > best serve you? > > Bryan > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Nalda > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 1:19 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Returning my iPad > > I think his review is nice enough from a VoiceOver only perspective, but > there are people out there I think that are visually impaired who want the > device because of it's larger size for Zooming. The only fault I've found in > this area is working with the keyboard. He also left out the option of the > ipod touch. It was either iphone or iPad for him. > > On May 5, 2010, at 1:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Very good review, >> >> It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad. It >> was well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon. I hope even >> the people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us. Pleas. lol. >> I hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, >> respectful, and concise manor. I think the list would benefit greatly from >> such a post instead of a emotion filled rant. lol On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 >> AM, Bryan Smart wrote: >> >>> OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already >>> decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the >>> lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that >>> is always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so >>> expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. >>> >>> I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is >>> slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is >>> terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an >>> impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. >>> >>> I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an >>> iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it >>> should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position >>> of known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would >>> have a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours >>> using apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the >>> power away. >>> >>> The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the >>> battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for >>> a very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, >>> and the battery just keeps on going. >>> >>> Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the >>> tech behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, >>> though, as a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. >>> >>> Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. >>> >>> The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching >>> video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. >>> Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an >>> iPad or iPhone speaker. >>> >>> I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, >>> it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at >>> different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad >>> screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire >>> arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of >>> computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold >>> your arm up, with your fingers angled
Re: Returning my iPad
Hi, Still, regardless, I can imagine that it'd be easier to explore the screen. if you frequently visit a particular webpage, you might have the table containing news categories on the left-hand side, and when tapping it, contents might appear in the center or to the right making navigation very swift. I've always loved the exploration part of a touchscreen, and I never swipe anymore. This is why it'd probably be a huge benefit for me to get one because of the size. Exploring, particularly with the iPhone on websites is not the same. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > Olivia, I like the concept of the four finger swipe for navigating between > sections, but it seems that only a few apps support this. It works on the > home screen. It works in the iWork apps. It works in Safari. However, lots of > iPad apps build their interfaces out of just large web browser views. In > these views, there is no concept of sections. You just have a huge scrolling > page with lots of links. Sometimes, they'll use headings, and I can use the > rotor and up/down swipe to navigate between sections. Quite often, though, > they don't, and, together with the problem of swiping not continuing from > where I last touched, there is a massive amount of swiping required to get > around the screen. Lots of swiping isn't a problem on the iPhone and Touch, > as those are smaller screens that hold less data at once, so there isn't much > on any single screen to swipe through. The iPad screens are very full, though. > > Bryan > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of olivia norman > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 5:53 AM > To: list voiceover > Subject: Re: Returning my iPad > > It's always interesting to get another prospective. I do have a case for my > iPad, so don't have to hold it up at all which helps. Personally, I love the > device, but as with anything, people have differing opinions and I actually > found Brian's experiences interesting and valuable to read. > I find that the four finger flick gesture really helps while moving around > most iPad screens, especially in applications such as mail and safari, this > gesture helps avoid swiping with one finger constantly. I also find that > applications such as iBooks and the iWork applications are wonderful > additions to this device, and afford the user functionality ad productivity > you just don't find on the iPhone. > In my way of thinking, these are two different kinds of devices, which > perform different functions and I use and think of them for completely > different things in my life. > There's also the issue with the iPhone's battery life. I can't for instance, > watch a movie or stream a youtube video for any length of time with out > experiencing significant battery drain. On my iPad, I am able to watch > videos for hours, no problem. > The case is a great, and IMO, needed, extra with the iPad for both blid and > sighted users. It allows for more comfortable use of the iPad and means that > you don't have to hold it or risk it falling. You can purchase it from apple > for about $39.99. > I am sorry to hear the iPad didn't work for you, Brian, and your experience > just shows that not every piece of technology works well for every user. > Thank you for posting this to the list! Have a great day! :) Olivia On May > 5, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> He was saying it was uncomfortable to move around on the larger screen. If >> he has the case and puts it on a table, I'd imagine this would be a lot >> easier. At least, it sure would for me and would give me a better overview >> than having it in my lap, for example. Or, the frequent complaint that is >> often heard is that holding it up is also uncomfortable, which makes sense >> too. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On May 5, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >> >>> What would the case solve though? >>> >>> I also have the vo freezing problem on my touch; I expected it to be >>> at least partly fixed on the ipad. >>> >>> On 05/05/2010, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, Just one question. Why not get the iPad case and put it in there? That just seems like a logical solution to your dilemma. If you haven't sold it yet, give it here. lol Really, I've always thought the iPhone was mainly for a consumer. You can write long documents on it, but it is far from comfortable and very efficient. Well, you can write really quickly on that device, but really, it mig
Re: Freetalk headset
Hi, Yeah, that version is fine. The newer one doesn't mute either when moving it upwards, but the old one does. I have one of both. I didn't get a choice between them, so I'd be curious to know how you got a hold of that privately. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 10:04 PM, william lomas wrote: > does your model have a metal headband, and fury earpads. to mute your mike do > you put it up vertically and it clicks? i so this is the one i am getting. > As long as the older freetalk model works in snowleopard we fine > > On 5 May 2010, at 20:56, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Yes. The only buttons that don't work are answer and hang up. Everything >> else works fine. But you're limited to the volume buttons. Nothing is wrong >> with the quality either. However, if you are buying the newer generation of >> the Skype Freetalk Headset, you might want to watch out for an issue with >> your volume level for the microphone. Also, the latest generation of that >> particular headset seems to have pairing issues in some instances. >> >> I don't believe there is an updated driver for Snow Leopard. At least, I >> never found it for this particular model. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On May 5, 2010, at 9:49 PM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> ah o which ones don't work then just the answer and end call? >>> >>> On 5 May 2010, at 20:47, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> Hi, yeah, they are fine. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 9:44 PM, william lomas wrote: > the volumes ones don't either? > > On 5 May 2010, at 20:39, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> The headset itself works well, but the buttons do not work unfortunately. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On May 5, 2010, at 9:20 PM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac? >>> Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within >>> skype on a mac or not? >>> Thanks, WIll >>> >>> william lomas >>> follow me on twitter: >>> billbow_baggins >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > william lomas > follow me on twitter: > billbow_baggins > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> william lomas >>> follow me on twitter: >>> billbow_baggins >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googl
Re: Freetalk headset
Hi, You'll probably be getting the newer model. I don't think they ship the old ones. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 10:03 PM, william lomas wrote: > so the older model i getting will be okw tih snowleopard? > > On 5 May 2010, at 20:56, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Yes. The only buttons that don't work are answer and hang up. Everything >> else works fine. But you're limited to the volume buttons. Nothing is wrong >> with the quality either. However, if you are buying the newer generation of >> the Skype Freetalk Headset, you might want to watch out for an issue with >> your volume level for the microphone. Also, the latest generation of that >> particular headset seems to have pairing issues in some instances. >> >> I don't believe there is an updated driver for Snow Leopard. At least, I >> never found it for this particular model. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On May 5, 2010, at 9:49 PM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> ah o which ones don't work then just the answer and end call? >>> >>> On 5 May 2010, at 20:47, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> Hi, yeah, they are fine. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 9:44 PM, william lomas wrote: > the volumes ones don't either? > > On 5 May 2010, at 20:39, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> The headset itself works well, but the buttons do not work unfortunately. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On May 5, 2010, at 9:20 PM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac? >>> Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within >>> skype on a mac or not? >>> Thanks, WIll >>> >>> william lomas >>> follow me on twitter: >>> billbow_baggins >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > william lomas > follow me on twitter: > billbow_baggins > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> william lomas >>> follow me on twitter: >>> billbow_baggins >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To u
Re: Freetalk headset
does your model have a metal headband, and fury earpads. to mute your mike do you put it up vertically and it clicks? i so this is the one i am getting. As long as the older freetalk model works in snowleopard we fine On 5 May 2010, at 20:56, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Yes. The only buttons that don't work are answer and hang up. Everything else > works fine. But you're limited to the volume buttons. Nothing is wrong with > the quality either. However, if you are buying the newer generation of the > Skype Freetalk Headset, you might want to watch out for an issue with your > volume level for the microphone. Also, the latest generation of that > particular headset seems to have pairing issues in some instances. > > I don't believe there is an updated driver for Snow Leopard. At least, I > never found it for this particular model. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On May 5, 2010, at 9:49 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> ah o which ones don't work then just the answer and end call? >> >> On 5 May 2010, at 20:47, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> yeah, they are fine. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On May 5, 2010, at 9:44 PM, william lomas wrote: >>> the volumes ones don't either? On 5 May 2010, at 20:39, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > The headset itself works well, but the buttons do not work unfortunately. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On May 5, 2010, at 9:20 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac? >> Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within >> skype on a mac or not? >> Thanks, WIll >> >> william lomas >> follow me on twitter: >> billbow_baggins >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > william lomas follow me on twitter: billbow_baggins -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> william lomas >> follow me on twitter: >> billbow_baggins >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > william lomas follow me on twitter: billbow_baggins -- You received this message because you are subsc
Re: Freetalk headset
so the older model i getting will be okw tih snowleopard? On 5 May 2010, at 20:56, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Yes. The only buttons that don't work are answer and hang up. Everything else > works fine. But you're limited to the volume buttons. Nothing is wrong with > the quality either. However, if you are buying the newer generation of the > Skype Freetalk Headset, you might want to watch out for an issue with your > volume level for the microphone. Also, the latest generation of that > particular headset seems to have pairing issues in some instances. > > I don't believe there is an updated driver for Snow Leopard. At least, I > never found it for this particular model. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On May 5, 2010, at 9:49 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> ah o which ones don't work then just the answer and end call? >> >> On 5 May 2010, at 20:47, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> yeah, they are fine. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On May 5, 2010, at 9:44 PM, william lomas wrote: >>> the volumes ones don't either? On 5 May 2010, at 20:39, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > The headset itself works well, but the buttons do not work unfortunately. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On May 5, 2010, at 9:20 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac? >> Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within >> skype on a mac or not? >> Thanks, WIll >> >> william lomas >> follow me on twitter: >> billbow_baggins >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > william lomas follow me on twitter: billbow_baggins -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> william lomas >> follow me on twitter: >> billbow_baggins >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > william lomas follow me on twitter: billbow_baggins -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send ema
RE: Returning my iPad
Olivia, I like the concept of the four finger swipe for navigating between sections, but it seems that only a few apps support this. It works on the home screen. It works in the iWork apps. It works in Safari. However, lots of iPad apps build their interfaces out of just large web browser views. In these views, there is no concept of sections. You just have a huge scrolling page with lots of links. Sometimes, they'll use headings, and I can use the rotor and up/down swipe to navigate between sections. Quite often, though, they don't, and, together with the problem of swiping not continuing from where I last touched, there is a massive amount of swiping required to get around the screen. Lots of swiping isn't a problem on the iPhone and Touch, as those are smaller screens that hold less data at once, so there isn't much on any single screen to swipe through. The iPad screens are very full, though. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of olivia norman Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 5:53 AM To: list voiceover Subject: Re: Returning my iPad It's always interesting to get another prospective. I do have a case for my iPad, so don't have to hold it up at all which helps. Personally, I love the device, but as with anything, people have differing opinions and I actually found Brian's experiences interesting and valuable to read. I find that the four finger flick gesture really helps while moving around most iPad screens, especially in applications such as mail and safari, this gesture helps avoid swiping with one finger constantly. I also find that applications such as iBooks and the iWork applications are wonderful additions to this device, and afford the user functionality ad productivity you just don't find on the iPhone. In my way of thinking, these are two different kinds of devices, which perform different functions and I use and think of them for completely different things in my life. There's also the issue with the iPhone's battery life. I can't for instance, watch a movie or stream a youtube video for any length of time with out experiencing significant battery drain. On my iPad, I am able to watch videos for hours, no problem. The case is a great, and IMO, needed, extra with the iPad for both blid and sighted users. It allows for more comfortable use of the iPad and means that you don't have to hold it or risk it falling. You can purchase it from apple for about $39.99. I am sorry to hear the iPad didn't work for you, Brian, and your experience just shows that not every piece of technology works well for every user. Thank you for posting this to the list! Have a great day! :) Olivia On May 5, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > He was saying it was uncomfortable to move around on the larger screen. If he > has the case and puts it on a table, I'd imagine this would be a lot easier. > At least, it sure would for me and would give me a better overview than > having it in my lap, for example. Or, the frequent complaint that is often > heard is that holding it up is also uncomfortable, which makes sense too. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On May 5, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: > >> What would the case solve though? >> >> I also have the vo freezing problem on my touch; I expected it to be >> at least partly fixed on the ipad. >> >> On 05/05/2010, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Just one question. >>> >>> Why not get the iPad case and put it in there? That just seems like >>> a logical solution to your dilemma. If you haven't sold it yet, give it >>> here. >>> lol >>> >>> Really, I've always thought the iPhone was mainly for a consumer. >>> You can write long documents on it, but it is far from comfortable >>> and very efficient. Well, you can write really quickly on that >>> device, but really, it might get tiresome after a while. We will >>> have Bluetooth keyboard support, though, so that is very exciting. >>> >>> I imagine the screen to be exactly the opposite of what you are saying. >>> Sorry to disagree. I think the larger screen would aid me a great >>> deal, and the split-screen is just a nifty feature to me. I won't >>> get an iPad, though, and I have a lot of reasons for that. I'll try >>> out an iPad at the end of May when they ship internationally, but I'm not >>> going to be that excited. >>> >>> First, what can the iPad do that my iPhone cannot? iWork? Perhaps. >>> But right now, I don't see myself using an iPad. Technically, the >>> space I would take up if I hook up a bluetooth keyboard to the iPad >>> is probably just as much as my Macbook, if a little bit less. The >>> Macbook is faster, and I need the superior speed. I need to be able >>> to type blazingly fast, and thou
Re: Freetalk headset
Hi, Yes. The only buttons that don't work are answer and hang up. Everything else works fine. But you're limited to the volume buttons. Nothing is wrong with the quality either. However, if you are buying the newer generation of the Skype Freetalk Headset, you might want to watch out for an issue with your volume level for the microphone. Also, the latest generation of that particular headset seems to have pairing issues in some instances. I don't believe there is an updated driver for Snow Leopard. At least, I never found it for this particular model. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 9:49 PM, william lomas wrote: > ah o which ones don't work then just the answer and end call? > > On 5 May 2010, at 20:47, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> yeah, they are fine. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On May 5, 2010, at 9:44 PM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> the volumes ones don't either? >>> >>> On 5 May 2010, at 20:39, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> Hi, The headset itself works well, but the buttons do not work unfortunately. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 9:20 PM, william lomas wrote: > hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac? > Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within > skype on a mac or not? > Thanks, WIll > > william lomas > follow me on twitter: > billbow_baggins > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> william lomas >>> follow me on twitter: >>> billbow_baggins >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > william lomas > follow me on twitter: > billbow_baggins > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Freetalk headset
which buttons work then mate, and which don't on the headset, I am in the process of purchasing one, smile thanks, will On 5 May 2010, at 20:47, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > yeah, they are fine. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On May 5, 2010, at 9:44 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> the volumes ones don't either? >> >> On 5 May 2010, at 20:39, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The headset itself works well, but the buttons do not work unfortunately. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On May 5, 2010, at 9:20 PM, william lomas wrote: >>> hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac? Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within skype on a mac or not? Thanks, WIll william lomas follow me on twitter: billbow_baggins -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> william lomas >> follow me on twitter: >> billbow_baggins >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > william lomas follow me on twitter: billbow_baggins -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Returning my iPad
Glad to know that my posts help you out, Kim. I know that everyone has different needs, both in terms of their particular disability and what activities are part of their lives. No device is perfect, and every way of working involves tradeoffs. I know that, until many people get their hands on a device, they might not even know some of the tradeoffs that are involved. If you can accept them, that's fine, but people should at least know what they're in for. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly thurman Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:03 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Returning my iPad Once again, nice job Bryan. I've been mulling over the decision of whether to get an I pad. Your post has convinced me to wait and see how the update of the OS this summer for the Iphone and Ipod Touch effects their usage. I am interested in the Ibooks application, for instance, but that will be available on the Ipod Touch with the new OS. This is the second time you have affected my decision to do or not do something. I own a Victor Reader Stream and a Book Sense, so I thought I didn't need the NLS's new digital player. I listened to your podcast on Blind Cool Tech and decided to get the NLS player. I'm glad I did, if for no other reason than I can listen to books while moving throughout the room without having to have a device in my pocket or headset attached to my head. Once again, thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge and insight with us concerning technology. I'm sorry you have to eat the 10% restocking fee though. That's a bummer. On May 5, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > I second all this. I hadn't planned on purchasing an iPad, but appreciated > reading your review, Brian. Very nicely done. > Best, > Donna > On May 5, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Very good review, >> >> It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad. It >> was well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon. I hope even >> the people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us. Pleas. lol. >> I hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, >> respectful, and concise manor. I think the list would benefit greatly from >> such a post instead of a emotion filled rant. lol On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 >> AM, Bryan Smart wrote: >> >>> OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already >>> decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the >>> lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that >>> is always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so >>> expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. >>> >>> I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is >>> slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is >>> terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an >>> impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. >>> >>> I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an >>> iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it >>> should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position >>> of known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would >>> have a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours >>> using apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the >>> power away. >>> >>> The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the >>> battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for >>> a very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, >>> and the battery just keeps on going. >>> >>> Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the >>> tech behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, >>> though, as a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. >>> >>> Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. >>> >>> The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching >>> video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. >>> Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an >>> iPad or iPhone speaker. >>> >>> I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, >>> it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at >>> different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad >>> screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire >>> arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of >>> computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't
Re: Freetalk headset
ah o which ones don't work then just the answer and end call? On 5 May 2010, at 20:47, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > yeah, they are fine. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On May 5, 2010, at 9:44 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> the volumes ones don't either? >> >> On 5 May 2010, at 20:39, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The headset itself works well, but the buttons do not work unfortunately. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On May 5, 2010, at 9:20 PM, william lomas wrote: >>> hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac? Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within skype on a mac or not? Thanks, WIll william lomas follow me on twitter: billbow_baggins -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> william lomas >> follow me on twitter: >> billbow_baggins >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > william lomas follow me on twitter: billbow_baggins -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Freetalk headset
Hi, yeah, they are fine. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 9:44 PM, william lomas wrote: > the volumes ones don't either? > > On 5 May 2010, at 20:39, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> The headset itself works well, but the buttons do not work unfortunately. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On May 5, 2010, at 9:20 PM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac? >>> Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within >>> skype on a mac or not? >>> Thanks, WIll >>> >>> william lomas >>> follow me on twitter: >>> billbow_baggins >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > william lomas > follow me on twitter: > billbow_baggins > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Returning my iPad
You are very right that, for a low vision user, the iPad would be superior because of the larger screen. I left out the Touch because it lacks 3G data and GPS. Without those, many of the possibilities of apps are cut out. The technology is impressive. The question is, in what form factor would it best serve you? Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Nalda Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 1:19 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Returning my iPad I think his review is nice enough from a VoiceOver only perspective, but there are people out there I think that are visually impaired who want the device because of it's larger size for Zooming. The only fault I've found in this area is working with the keyboard. He also left out the option of the ipod touch. It was either iphone or iPad for him. On May 5, 2010, at 1:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Very good review, > > It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad. It > was well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon. I hope even > the people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us. Pleas. lol. > I hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, respectful, > and concise manor. I think the list would benefit greatly from such a post > instead of a emotion filled rant. lol On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Bryan > Smart wrote: > >> OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already >> decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the >> lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that is >> always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so >> expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. >> >> I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is >> slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is >> terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an >> impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. >> >> I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an >> iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it >> should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position of >> known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would have >> a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours using >> apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the power >> away. >> >> The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the >> battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for a >> very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, and >> the battery just keeps on going. >> >> Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the tech >> behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, though, as >> a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. >> >> Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. >> >> The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching >> video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. >> Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an >> iPad or iPhone speaker. >> >> I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, >> it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at >> different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad >> screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire >> arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of >> computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold >> your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the screen >> with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to jump to >> some random position on the screen. This is particularly frustrating because >> there is so much content on an iPad screen. If you navigate through controls >> by swiping, you'll be swiping and swiping and swiping and swiping to get to >> where you'd like. Of course, you can directly explore with your finger, but >> I've noticed that, in several places (like the App Store and Safari), >> tapping somewhere doesn't necessarily mean that swiping will continue from >> that point. In many places, I'll tap at a point on the screen, but, when I >> start swiping, VoiceOver will always start from the top of the screen. So, >> in those situations, if you accidentally touch the screen with some other >> skin while swiping, or if VoiceOver mistakenly interprets a swipe as a tap, >> then you'll lose your place, and need to start from the top of the screen. >> In
Re: Freetalk headset
the volumes ones don't either? On 5 May 2010, at 20:39, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > The headset itself works well, but the buttons do not work unfortunately. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On May 5, 2010, at 9:20 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac? >> Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within skype >> on a mac or not? >> Thanks, WIll >> >> william lomas >> follow me on twitter: >> billbow_baggins >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > william lomas follow me on twitter: billbow_baggins -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Returning my iPad
Absolutely. I'm not trying to discourage people from having a look and judging for themselves. I think that an iPad would make more sense for me if I wasn't going to use an iPhone. If you like Symbian or Windows Mobile for a phone, then the iPad would give you a good way to get in on the iPhone apps and other benefits. A Touch really wouldn't do that, since it doesn't have 3G data or GPS. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 10:41 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Returning my iPad The truth is, the iPhone isn't for everyone, the mac isn't for everyone and the iPad is no exception to that rule. I have to say, I still am going to purchase the iPad when it comes to the UK. I think everyone should think about what everyone has said in regards to any products but ultimately make their own decisions. On 5 May 2010, at 13:42, Donna Goodin wrote: > I second all this. I hadn't planned on purchasing an iPad, but appreciated > reading your review, Brian. Very nicely done. > Best, > Donna > On May 5, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Very good review, >> >> It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad. It >> was well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon. I hope even >> the people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us. Pleas. lol. >> I hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, >> respectful, and concise manor. I think the list would benefit greatly from >> such a post instead of a emotion filled rant. lol On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 >> AM, Bryan Smart wrote: >> >>> OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already >>> decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the >>> lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that >>> is always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so >>> expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. >>> >>> I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is >>> slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is >>> terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an >>> impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. >>> >>> I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an >>> iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it >>> should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position >>> of known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would >>> have a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours >>> using apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the >>> power away. >>> >>> The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the >>> battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for >>> a very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, >>> and the battery just keeps on going. >>> >>> Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the >>> tech behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, >>> though, as a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. >>> >>> Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. >>> >>> The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching >>> video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. >>> Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an >>> iPad or iPhone speaker. >>> >>> I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, >>> it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at >>> different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad >>> screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire >>> arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of >>> computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold >>> your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the >>> screen with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to >>> jump to some random position on the screen. This is particularly >>> frustrating because there is so much content on an iPad screen. If you >>> navigate through controls by swiping, you'll be swiping and swiping and >>> swiping and swiping to get to where you'd like. Of course, you can directly >>> explore with your finger, but I've noticed that, in several places (like >>> the App Store and Safari), tapping somewhere doesn't necessarily mean that >>> swiping will continue from that point. In many places, I'll tap at a point >>> on the screen, but, when I start swiping,
Re: Returning my iPad
Hi, Yes, you can do Netflix with the iPad on 3G. Someone is going to see if he can use up 100GB on 3G on his unlimited dataplan for the iPad within a few weeks. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 9:07 PM, joe quinn wrote: > u can stream netflix over 3g on the ipad? With what? And, would it > work with the touch, or iphone? If so, 1 more reason for me to get > one! > > On 5/5/10, Bryan Smart wrote: >> OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already >> decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the >> lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that is >> always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so >> expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. >> >> I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is >> slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is >> terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an >> impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. >> >> I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an >> iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it >> should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position of >> known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would have >> a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours using >> apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the power >> away. >> >> The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the >> battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for a >> very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, and >> the battery just keeps on going. >> >> Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the tech >> behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, though, as >> a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. >> >> Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. >> >> The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching >> video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. >> Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an >> iPad or iPhone speaker. >> >> I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, >> it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at >> different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad >> screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire >> arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of >> computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold >> your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the screen >> with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to jump to >> some random position on the screen. This is particularly frustrating because >> there is so much content on an iPad screen. If you navigate through controls >> by swiping, you'll be swiping and swiping and swiping and swiping to get to >> where you'd like. Of course, you can directly explore with your finger, but >> I've noticed that, in several places (like the App Store and Safari), >> tapping somewhere doesn't necessarily mean that swiping will continue from >> that point. In many places, I'll tap at a point on the screen, but, when I >> start swiping, VoiceOver will always start from the top of the screen. So, >> in those situations, if you accidentally touch the screen with some other >> skin while swiping, or if VoiceOver mistakenly interprets a swipe as a tap, >> then you'll lose your place, and need to start from the top of the screen. >> In the App Store in particular, I've swiped myself to frustration. >> >> The size of the screen is also not convenient for holding the iPad like you >> would the iPhone. It must rest on your lap or a table. And, with me pushing >> and tapping on it with both hands, I've had some situations where it has >> nearly slid off of my lap. With the screen being made of glass, that is not >> a great thought to ponder. So, I think that the screen size is not only >> wasted on blind users, but is also a drawback. >> >> The on-screen keyboard is a bit nicer to use on a large screen. However, the >> touch-typing mode makes even one-handed typing on a small screen a breeze. >> Besides that, the larger screen meant that a lot more arm motion was >> required to type on an iPad. I tried the two-handed typing approach in >> landscape mode, but find that, no matter how well you place your hands, >> typing is very mistake prone. For anyone that finds it hard to type for >> ex
Re: Freetalk headset
Hi, The headset itself works well, but the buttons do not work unfortunately. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 9:20 PM, william lomas wrote: > hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac? > Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within skype > on a mac or not? > Thanks, WIll > > william lomas > follow me on twitter: > billbow_baggins > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Freetalk headset
hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac? Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within skype on a mac or not? Thanks, WIll william lomas follow me on twitter: billbow_baggins -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Returning my iPad
u can stream netflix over 3g on the ipad? With what? And, would it work with the touch, or iphone? If so, 1 more reason for me to get one! On 5/5/10, Bryan Smart wrote: > OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already > decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the > lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that is > always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so > expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. > > I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is > slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is > terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an > impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. > > I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an > iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it > should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position of > known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would have > a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours using > apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the power > away. > > The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the > battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for a > very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, and > the battery just keeps on going. > > Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the tech > behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, though, as > a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. > > Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. > > The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching > video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. > Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an > iPad or iPhone speaker. > > I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, > it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at > different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad > screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire > arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of > computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold > your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the screen > with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to jump to > some random position on the screen. This is particularly frustrating because > there is so much content on an iPad screen. If you navigate through controls > by swiping, you'll be swiping and swiping and swiping and swiping to get to > where you'd like. Of course, you can directly explore with your finger, but > I've noticed that, in several places (like the App Store and Safari), > tapping somewhere doesn't necessarily mean that swiping will continue from > that point. In many places, I'll tap at a point on the screen, but, when I > start swiping, VoiceOver will always start from the top of the screen. So, > in those situations, if you accidentally touch the screen with some other > skin while swiping, or if VoiceOver mistakenly interprets a swipe as a tap, > then you'll lose your place, and need to start from the top of the screen. > In the App Store in particular, I've swiped myself to frustration. > > The size of the screen is also not convenient for holding the iPad like you > would the iPhone. It must rest on your lap or a table. And, with me pushing > and tapping on it with both hands, I've had some situations where it has > nearly slid off of my lap. With the screen being made of glass, that is not > a great thought to ponder. So, I think that the screen size is not only > wasted on blind users, but is also a drawback. > > The on-screen keyboard is a bit nicer to use on a large screen. However, the > touch-typing mode makes even one-handed typing on a small screen a breeze. > Besides that, the larger screen meant that a lot more arm motion was > required to type on an iPad. I tried the two-handed typing approach in > landscape mode, but find that, no matter how well you place your hands, > typing is very mistake prone. For anyone that finds it hard to type for > extended periods of time on the iPhone, you can use the iPad keyboard dock > with it when the next iPhone OS comes out. > > VoiceOver is worse on the iPad. I'll just put my flame retardant suit on > right now for the hordes of people that will respond and tell me how I'm > wrong, how wonderful it is, and how it must be me. Well, I've used an iPhone > extensively, and I've used the touch gestures on my MacBook Pro a lot, so I > think that I'm pretty familiar
Re: safari question
Ah ok, it was the first part that I wasn't doing. Thanks very much. On 2010-05-05, at 11:54 AM, marie Howarth wrote: > You need to clear the cash. either command-option-E or go to Safaris menu and > also you need to clear cookies. hit CMD-comma and go to security and delete > cookies. > HTH > > On 5 May 2010, at 18:38, May McDonald wrote: > >> Ok, here's another question. How do I get safari to clear all the user names >> and passwords that I have stored in it. There's a site that I have access to >> that logs me in automatically and I don't want it to do that any longer. >> Please help. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari question
You need to clear the cash. either command-option-E or go to Safaris menu and also you need to clear cookies. hit CMD-comma and go to security and delete cookies. HTH On 5 May 2010, at 18:38, May McDonald wrote: > Ok, here's another question. How do I get safari to clear all the user names > and passwords that I have stored in it. There's a site that I have access to > that logs me in automatically and I don't want it to do that any longer. > Please help. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VO's stuck on speech off
I never new about this juster. I'm to scared to try it should I ever need to mute speech but thanks for it anyways. Take care. S On May 5, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Hai Nguyen wrote: > Good morning, > It's likely that the speech has been accidentally muted. To unmute speech, do > the following: > > 1. Make sure the trackpad commander is on by holding down the control and > option keys and rotating 2 fingers on the trackpad to the right. The action > is similar to turning a radio dial to the right. > 2. double tap the trackpad with three fingers to unmute speech and voiceover > should say "VoiceOver unmuted. > Hope this helps. > Regards: > Hai > > On May 4, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Hypnotic Consulting wrote: > >> Hey folks, My wifes broken something and now VO won't really talk. Here's >> what's happening. I turn VO on, and he then starts and says speech off. I've >> restarted and he's still doing the same thing. >> My wife said all she did was install office. Any ideas? >> Jorge >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Returning my iPad
I don't think I'll buy one as I have a lapotp and hopefully will be getting an iphone so I hope for now all of my needs are solved. Take care. S Good luck. On May 5, 2010, at 2:56 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > The iWork suite is probably what will cause me to buy it in the end. I have > heard blind and sighted perspectives alike on the iPad, and some simply > present an issue I have never even considered. Nevertheless, all opinions are > of course valuable, and they are definitely helping me decide whether or not > I am going to buy one. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On May 5, 2010, at 11:52 AM, olivia norman wrote: > >> It's always interesting to get another prospective. I do have a case for my >> iPad, so don't have to hold it up at all which helps. Personally, I love >> the device, but as with anything, people have differing opinions and I >> actually found Brian's experiences interesting and valuable to read. >> I find that the four finger flick gesture really helps while moving around >> most iPad screens, especially in applications such as mail and safari, this >> gesture helps avoid swiping with one finger constantly. I also find that >> applications such as iBooks and the iWork applications are wonderful >> additions to this device, and afford the user functionality ad productivity >> you just don't find on the iPhone. >> In my way of thinking, these are two different kinds of devices, which >> perform different functions and I use and think of them for completely >> different things in my life. >> There's also the issue with the iPhone's battery life. I can't for >> instance, watch a movie or stream a youtube video for any length of time >> with out experiencing significant battery drain. On my iPad, I am able to >> watch videos for hours, no problem. >> The case is a great, and IMO, needed, extra with the iPad for both blid and >> sighted users. It allows for more comfortable use of the iPad and means >> that you don't have to hold it or risk it falling. You can purchase it from >> apple for about $39.99. >> I am sorry to hear the iPad didn't work for you, Brian, and your experience >> just shows that not every piece of technology works well for every user. >> Thank you for posting this to the list! Have a great day! :) >> Olivia >> On May 5, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> He was saying it was uncomfortable to move around on the larger screen. If >>> he has the case and puts it on a table, I'd imagine this would be a lot >>> easier. At least, it sure would for me and would give me a better overview >>> than having it in my lap, for example. Or, the frequent complaint that is >>> often heard is that holding it up is also uncomfortable, which makes sense >>> too. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On May 5, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >>> What would the case solve though? I also have the vo freezing problem on my touch; I expected it to be at least partly fixed on the ipad. On 05/05/2010, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Just one question. > > Why not get the iPad case and put it in there? That just seems like a > logical solution to your dilemma. If you haven't sold it yet, give it > here. > lol > > Really, I've always thought the iPhone was mainly for a consumer. You can > write long documents on it, but it is far from comfortable and very > efficient. Well, you can write really quickly on that device, but really, > it > might get tiresome after a while. We will have Bluetooth keyboard support, > though, so that is very exciting. > > I imagine the screen to be exactly the opposite of what you are saying. > Sorry to disagree. I think the larger screen would aid me a great deal, > and > the split-screen is just a nifty feature to me. I won't get an iPad, > though, > and I have a lot of reasons for that. I'll try out an iPad at the end of > May > when they ship internationally, but I'm not going to be that excited. > > First, what can the iPad do that my iPhone cannot? iWork? Perhaps. But > right > now, I don't see myself using an iPad. Technically, the space I would take > up if I hook up a bluetooth keyboard to the iPad is probably just as much > as > my Macbook, if a little bit less. The Macbook is faster, and I need the > superior speed. I need to be able to type blazingly fast, and though I > could > do that with the iPad keyboard dock or bluetooth keyboards, I still don't > want t
Re: Mack Mini and Monitor?
Not portable in the sense that you could carry it to work. How many times do we have to say to people that a mini is not portable? On 05/05/2010, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > Since a new Mack mini apparently must have a monitor, are there any portable > monitors like USB monitors or something. I take my Mack mini to work a lot. > I'm not using any monitor now, Safari seems busy a lot, but is still very > functional. > Thanks, > Courtney > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Mack Mini and Monitor?
Hi, Since a new Mack mini apparently must have a monitor, are there any portable monitors like USB monitors or something. I take my Mack mini to work a lot. I'm not using any monitor now, Safari seems busy a lot, but is still very functional. Thanks, Courtney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Returning my iPad
Once again, nice job Bryan. I've been mulling over the decision of whether to get an I pad. Your post has convinced me to wait and see how the update of the OS this summer for the Iphone and Ipod Touch effects their usage. I am interested in the Ibooks application, for instance, but that will be available on the Ipod Touch with the new OS. This is the second time you have affected my decision to do or not do something. I own a Victor Reader Stream and a Book Sense, so I thought I didn't need the NLS's new digital player. I listened to your podcast on Blind Cool Tech and decided to get the NLS player. I'm glad I did, if for no other reason than I can listen to books while moving throughout the room without having to have a device in my pocket or headset attached to my head. Once again, thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge and insight with us concerning technology. I'm sorry you have to eat the 10% restocking fee though. That's a bummer. On May 5, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > I second all this. I hadn't planned on purchasing an iPad, but appreciated > reading your review, Brian. Very nicely done. > Best, > Donna > On May 5, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Very good review, >> >> It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad. It was >> well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon. I hope even the >> people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us. Pleas. lol. I >> hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, respectful, >> and concise manor. I think the list would benefit greatly from such a post >> instead of a emotion filled rant. lol >> On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: >> >>> OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already >>> decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the >>> lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that >>> is always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so >>> expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. >>> >>> I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is >>> slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is >>> terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an >>> impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. >>> >>> I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an >>> iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it >>> should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position >>> of known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would >>> have a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours >>> using apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the >>> power away. >>> >>> The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the >>> battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for >>> a very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, >>> and the battery just keeps on going. >>> >>> Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the >>> tech behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, >>> though, as a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. >>> >>> Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. >>> >>> The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching >>> video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. >>> Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an >>> iPad or iPhone speaker. >>> >>> I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, >>> it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at >>> different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad >>> screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire >>> arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of >>> computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold >>> your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the >>> screen with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to >>> jump to some random position on the screen. This is particularly >>> frustrating because there is so much content on an iPad screen. If you >>> navigate through controls by swiping, you'll be swiping and swiping and >>> swiping and swiping to get to where you'd like. Of course, you can directly >>> explore with your finger, but I've noticed that, in several places (like >>> the App Store and Safari), tapping somewhere doesn't necessarily mean that >>> swiping will continue from that point. In many places, I'll tap at a point >>> on the screen,
Re: macspeech
Hi, Very interested in how you get on with this as although I use mac at home at work I have jaws with the jaysay software and DRagon which works well and I would be interested to know wehther or not I can get a similar experience with the Mac or if not if anyone knows of any plans for this to come. Cheers, Phil 5 May 2010, at 12:48, william lomas wrote: > HI, > > > I have got macspeech dictate international now and I have a few queries. > Firstly how do I turn on the settings to generate the contacts in my email > address book? i.e. send mail to joe blogs? I can't find the settings? > I also like the way the training works. It appears in 1.5.8, when you do > training it moves on to the next sentence when it has recognised the current > one. Now all we need is for it to correctly with VO enabled, echo our phrases > rather than just the last word of 2 of a sentence. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > --- Phil Stephenson p...@thestephensons.org 07841 714931 www.twitter.com/stepphil Skype = philstephenson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
safari question
Ok, here's another question. How do I get safari to clear all the user names and passwords that I have stored in it. There's a site that I have access to that logs me in automatically and I don't want it to do that any longer. Please help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Returning my iPad
I think his review is nice enough from a VoiceOver only perspective, but there are people out there I think that are visually impaired who want the device because of it's larger size for Zooming. The only fault I've found in this area is working with the keyboard. He also left out the option of the ipod touch. It was either iphone or iPad for him. On May 5, 2010, at 1:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Very good review, > > It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad. It was > well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon. I hope even the > people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us. Pleas. lol. I > hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, respectful, > and concise manor. I think the list would benefit greatly from such a post > instead of a emotion filled rant. lol > On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: > >> OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already >> decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the >> lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that is >> always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so >> expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. >> >> I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is >> slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is >> terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an >> impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. >> >> I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an >> iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it >> should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position of >> known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would have >> a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours using >> apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the power >> away. >> >> The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the >> battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for a >> very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, and >> the battery just keeps on going. >> >> Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the tech >> behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, though, as >> a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. >> >> Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. >> >> The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching >> video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. >> Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an >> iPad or iPhone speaker. >> >> I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, >> it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at >> different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad >> screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire >> arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of >> computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold >> your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the screen >> with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to jump to >> some random position on the screen. This is particularly frustrating because >> there is so much content on an iPad screen. If you navigate through controls >> by swiping, you'll be swiping and swiping and swiping and swiping to get to >> where you'd like. Of course, you can directly explore with your finger, but >> I've noticed that, in several places (like the App Store and Safari), >> tapping somewhere doesn't necessarily mean that swiping will continue from >> that point. In many places, I'll tap at a point on the screen, but, when I >> start swiping, VoiceOver will always start from the top of the screen. So, >> in those situations, if you accidentally touch the screen with some other >> skin while swiping, or if VoiceOver mistakenly interprets a swipe as a tap, >> then you'll lose your place, and need to start from the top of the screen. >> In the App Store in particular, I've swiped myself to frustration. >> >> The size of the screen is also not convenient for holding the iPad like you >> would the iPhone. It must rest on your lap or a table. And, with me pushing >> and tapping on it with both hands, I've had some situations where it has >> nearly slid off of my lap. With the screen being made of glass, that is not >> a great thought to ponder. So, I think that the screen size is not only >> wasted on blind users, but is also a drawback. >> >> The on-screen keyboard is a bit nicer to use
Re: java version
Hi May, Try going to the web page: http://www.javatester.org/version.html Bring up item chooser menu and type "Ask" to navigate to the heading "Method 1: Ask Java". Then VO-Right arrow to read "The version and vendor from the JRE" followed by the reported version information. (There are ways to check this by querying Safari's installed plug-ins, but this is easier and the page goes on to give information and links to the latest Java versions for the Mac.) HTH Cheers, Esther May McDonald wrote: Hey there. How can I find out what version of java I have? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
java version
Hey there. How can I find out what version of java I have? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VO's stuck on speech off
Good morning, It's likely that the speech has been accidentally muted. To unmute speech, do the following: 1. Make sure the trackpad commander is on by holding down the control and option keys and rotating 2 fingers on the trackpad to the right. The action is similar to turning a radio dial to the right. 2. double tap the trackpad with three fingers to unmute speech and voiceover should say "VoiceOver unmuted. Hope this helps. Regards: Hai On May 4, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Hypnotic Consulting wrote: > Hey folks, My wifes broken something and now VO won't really talk. Here's > what's happening. I turn VO on, and he then starts and says speech off. I've > restarted and he's still doing the same thing. > My wife said all she did was install office. Any ideas? > Jorge > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Returning my iPad
Hi, I don't think anyone is intentionally attempting to directly advise people on what to do, but rather giving them advice to make their own choice. No product is for anyone. IF you have lived your life using Macs, you probably wouldn't want to switch to Windows unless you suddenly are not feeling comfortable with the Macintosh operating system. And that's always going to be an extremely important factor. Conclusion: Don't be like me and buy it just because you know a friend bought it. Especially don't follow through with that course if you haven't even tried it yet. But if your friend hands you a product, you play with it for a while, consider it from all angles and think "Holy smokes this rocks", then go shopping. Of course, that doesn't mean you won't regret it later. You might if you suddenly think of something that never entered your head before. Yeah yeah, rant over. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 4:40 PM, marie Howarth wrote: > The truth is, the iPhone isn't for everyone, the mac isn't for everyone and > the iPad is no exception to that rule. I have to say, I still am going to > purchase the iPad when it comes to the UK. I think everyone should think > about what everyone has said in regards to any products but ultimately make > their own decisions. > > On 5 May 2010, at 13:42, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> I second all this. I hadn't planned on purchasing an iPad, but appreciated >> reading your review, Brian. Very nicely done. >> Best, >> Donna >> On May 5, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >>> Very good review, >>> >>> It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad. It was >>> well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon. I hope even the >>> people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us. Pleas. lol. I >>> hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, respectful, >>> and concise manor. I think the list would benefit greatly from such a post >>> instead of a emotion filled rant. lol >>> On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>> OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that is always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position of known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would have a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours using apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the power away. The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for a very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, and the battery just keeps on going. Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the tech behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, though, as a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an iPad or iPhone speaker. I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the screen with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to jump to some random position on the scre
Re: Returning my iPad
The truth is, the iPhone isn't for everyone, the mac isn't for everyone and the iPad is no exception to that rule. I have to say, I still am going to purchase the iPad when it comes to the UK. I think everyone should think about what everyone has said in regards to any products but ultimately make their own decisions. On 5 May 2010, at 13:42, Donna Goodin wrote: > I second all this. I hadn't planned on purchasing an iPad, but appreciated > reading your review, Brian. Very nicely done. > Best, > Donna > On May 5, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Very good review, >> >> It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad. It was >> well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon. I hope even the >> people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us. Pleas. lol. I >> hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, respectful, >> and concise manor. I think the list would benefit greatly from such a post >> instead of a emotion filled rant. lol >> On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: >> >>> OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already >>> decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the >>> lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that >>> is always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so >>> expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. >>> >>> I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is >>> slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is >>> terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an >>> impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. >>> >>> I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an >>> iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it >>> should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position >>> of known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would >>> have a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours >>> using apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the >>> power away. >>> >>> The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the >>> battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for >>> a very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, >>> and the battery just keeps on going. >>> >>> Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the >>> tech behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, >>> though, as a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. >>> >>> Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. >>> >>> The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching >>> video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. >>> Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an >>> iPad or iPhone speaker. >>> >>> I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, >>> it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at >>> different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad >>> screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire >>> arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of >>> computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold >>> your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the >>> screen with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to >>> jump to some random position on the screen. This is particularly >>> frustrating because there is so much content on an iPad screen. If you >>> navigate through controls by swiping, you'll be swiping and swiping and >>> swiping and swiping to get to where you'd like. Of course, you can directly >>> explore with your finger, but I've noticed that, in several places (like >>> the App Store and Safari), tapping somewhere doesn't necessarily mean that >>> swiping will continue from that point. In many places, I'll tap at a point >>> on the screen, but, when I start swiping, VoiceOver will always start from >>> the top of the screen. So, in those situations, if you accidentally touch >>> the screen with some other skin while swiping, or if VoiceOver mistakenly >>> interprets a swipe as a tap, then you'll lose your place, and need to start >>> from the top of the screen. In the App Store in particular, I've swiped >>> myself to frustration. >>> >>> The size of the screen is also not convenient for holding the iPad like you >>> would the iPhone. It must rest on your lap or a table. And, with me pushing >>> and tapping on it with both hands, I've had some situations where it has >>> nearly slid off of
Re: Returning my iPad
I like Brian's take on this, now we can look for ourselves and see how much we can work around these real concerns presented fairly. On 2010-05-05, at 5:52 AM, olivia norman wrote: > It's always interesting to get another prospective. I do have a case for my > iPad, so don't have to hold it up at all which helps. Personally, I love the > device, but as with anything, people have differing opinions and I actually > found Brian's experiences interesting and valuable to read. > I find that the four finger flick gesture really helps while moving around > most iPad screens, especially in applications such as mail and safari, this > gesture helps avoid swiping with one finger constantly. I also find that > applications such as iBooks and the iWork applications are wonderful > additions to this device, and afford the user functionality ad productivity > you just don't find on the iPhone. > In my way of thinking, these are two different kinds of devices, which > perform different functions and I use and think of them for completely > different things in my life. > There's also the issue with the iPhone's battery life. I can't for instance, > watch a movie or stream a youtube video for any length of time with out > experiencing significant battery drain. On my iPad, I am able to watch > videos for hours, no problem. > The case is a great, and IMO, needed, extra with the iPad for both blid and > sighted users. It allows for more comfortable use of the iPad and means that > you don't have to hold it or risk it falling. You can purchase it from apple > for about $39.99. > I am sorry to hear the iPad didn't work for you, Brian, and your experience > just shows that not every piece of technology works well for every user. > Thank you for posting this to the list! Have a great day! :) > Olivia > On May 5, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> He was saying it was uncomfortable to move around on the larger screen. If >> he has the case and puts it on a table, I'd imagine this would be a lot >> easier. At least, it sure would for me and would give me a better overview >> than having it in my lap, for example. Or, the frequent complaint that is >> often heard is that holding it up is also uncomfortable, which makes sense >> too. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On May 5, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >> >>> What would the case solve though? >>> >>> I also have the vo freezing problem on my touch; I expected it to be >>> at least partly fixed on the ipad. >>> >>> On 05/05/2010, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, Just one question. Why not get the iPad case and put it in there? That just seems like a logical solution to your dilemma. If you haven't sold it yet, give it here. lol Really, I've always thought the iPhone was mainly for a consumer. You can write long documents on it, but it is far from comfortable and very efficient. Well, you can write really quickly on that device, but really, it might get tiresome after a while. We will have Bluetooth keyboard support, though, so that is very exciting. I imagine the screen to be exactly the opposite of what you are saying. Sorry to disagree. I think the larger screen would aid me a great deal, and the split-screen is just a nifty feature to me. I won't get an iPad, though, and I have a lot of reasons for that. I'll try out an iPad at the end of May when they ship internationally, but I'm not going to be that excited. First, what can the iPad do that my iPhone cannot? iWork? Perhaps. But right now, I don't see myself using an iPad. Technically, the space I would take up if I hook up a bluetooth keyboard to the iPad is probably just as much as my Macbook, if a little bit less. The Macbook is faster, and I need the superior speed. I need to be able to type blazingly fast, and though I could do that with the iPad keyboard dock or bluetooth keyboards, I still don't want to carry those accessories around with me. Of course, that doesn't mean I can't become very efficient with the on-screen keyboard on the device. Secondly, yes, the glare from the iPad's LCD is hard on the eyes for a few hours. Having to read on the iPad or iPhone for long periods of time is a pain, and that is really only because it is bright. IF it was like the Kindle where you still need a lamp to read, great. Third, I just don't think the iPad is right for me. I want something small like my iPhone that can do all these things already, and I just can't justify buying an iPad right now. Yeah, there are probably things the iPhone will be unabl
Re: Returning my iPad
I second all this. I hadn't planned on purchasing an iPad, but appreciated reading your review, Brian. Very nicely done. Best, Donna On May 5, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Very good review, > > It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad. It was > well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon. I hope even the > people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us. Pleas. lol. I > hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, respectful, > and concise manor. I think the list would benefit greatly from such a post > instead of a emotion filled rant. lol > On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: > >> OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already >> decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the >> lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that is >> always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so >> expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. >> >> I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is >> slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is >> terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an >> impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. >> >> I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an >> iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it >> should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position of >> known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would have >> a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours using >> apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the power >> away. >> >> The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the >> battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for a >> very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, and >> the battery just keeps on going. >> >> Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the tech >> behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, though, as >> a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. >> >> Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. >> >> The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching >> video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. >> Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an >> iPad or iPhone speaker. >> >> I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, >> it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at >> different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad >> screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire >> arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of >> computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold >> your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the screen >> with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to jump to >> some random position on the screen. This is particularly frustrating because >> there is so much content on an iPad screen. If you navigate through controls >> by swiping, you'll be swiping and swiping and swiping and swiping to get to >> where you'd like. Of course, you can directly explore with your finger, but >> I've noticed that, in several places (like the App Store and Safari), >> tapping somewhere doesn't necessarily mean that swiping will continue from >> that point. In many places, I'll tap at a point on the screen, but, when I >> start swiping, VoiceOver will always start from the top of the screen. So, >> in those situations, if you accidentally touch the screen with some other >> skin while swiping, or if VoiceOver mistakenly interprets a swipe as a tap, >> then you'll lose your place, and need to start from the top of the screen. >> In the App Store in particular, I've swiped myself to frustration. >> >> The size of the screen is also not convenient for holding the iPad like you >> would the iPhone. It must rest on your lap or a table. And, with me pushing >> and tapping on it with both hands, I've had some situations where it has >> nearly slid off of my lap. With the screen being made of glass, that is not >> a great thought to ponder. So, I think that the screen size is not only >> wasted on blind users, but is also a drawback. >> >> The on-screen keyboard is a bit nicer to use on a large screen. However, the >> touch-typing mode makes even one-handed typing on a small screen a breeze. >> Besides that, the larger screen meant that a lot more arm motion was >> required to type on an iPad. I tri
Re: Block of text
Hello Edward, I think the best way is to use the commands to go to the automatic webspots. The keyboard command for this is: vo+command+n for the next and vo+command+shift+n for the previous automatic webspot. You can also reach this with the webrotor: vo+command+u. If you do this, sometimes you need to do vo+right arrow to reach the real text. Unfortunately: this works not always. e.g.: if text appears in tables, You can't find the text with this command. There is no solution for that at this moment and , in this situation , you need to look on the whole page with vo+right/left arrow. This is the explanation for the doom mode. If you use the group mode, it's more easy to find textblocks but you can't use the hockey like described above. hope this helps. best regards, William Op 5-mei-2010, om 02:08 heeft Sarah Alawami het volgende geschreven: > Oh that I don't know. I use the wet spots to kind of aid me in doing that. > > Take care. > On May 4, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Edward wrote: > >> Hello >> >> Let's say that you wanted to read text on a site. How do you get to the >> text without having to go across every other control like links edit boxes, >> and so on .How would you navigate directly to the text body of a webpage? >> >> Thanks >> Edward >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami >> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:27 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Block of text >> >> Sorry what do uou mean by a block of text? if you mean the wet spots it is >> vo command n and vo command shift n. >> >> Take care. >> >> On May 4, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Edward wrote: >> >> >> Hello all, >> >> I have been playing around with vo on the mac at college. I wanted >> to know how do you go to a block of text on the net with vo? Is there a >> way, and if not, can you assign that particular command within vo? >> >> Thanks >> Edward >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
macspeech
HI, I have got macspeech dictate international now and I have a few queries. Firstly how do I turn on the settings to generate the contacts in my email address book? i.e. send mail to joe blogs? I can't find the settings? I also like the way the training works. It appears in 1.5.8, when you do training it moves on to the next sentence when it has recognised the current one. Now all we need is for it to correctly with VO enabled, echo our phrases rather than just the last word of 2 of a sentence. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Returning my iPad
Hi, The iWork suite is probably what will cause me to buy it in the end. I have heard blind and sighted perspectives alike on the iPad, and some simply present an issue I have never even considered. Nevertheless, all opinions are of course valuable, and they are definitely helping me decide whether or not I am going to buy one. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 11:52 AM, olivia norman wrote: > It's always interesting to get another prospective. I do have a case for my > iPad, so don't have to hold it up at all which helps. Personally, I love the > device, but as with anything, people have differing opinions and I actually > found Brian's experiences interesting and valuable to read. > I find that the four finger flick gesture really helps while moving around > most iPad screens, especially in applications such as mail and safari, this > gesture helps avoid swiping with one finger constantly. I also find that > applications such as iBooks and the iWork applications are wonderful > additions to this device, and afford the user functionality ad productivity > you just don't find on the iPhone. > In my way of thinking, these are two different kinds of devices, which > perform different functions and I use and think of them for completely > different things in my life. > There's also the issue with the iPhone's battery life. I can't for instance, > watch a movie or stream a youtube video for any length of time with out > experiencing significant battery drain. On my iPad, I am able to watch > videos for hours, no problem. > The case is a great, and IMO, needed, extra with the iPad for both blid and > sighted users. It allows for more comfortable use of the iPad and means that > you don't have to hold it or risk it falling. You can purchase it from apple > for about $39.99. > I am sorry to hear the iPad didn't work for you, Brian, and your experience > just shows that not every piece of technology works well for every user. > Thank you for posting this to the list! Have a great day! :) > Olivia > On May 5, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> He was saying it was uncomfortable to move around on the larger screen. If >> he has the case and puts it on a table, I'd imagine this would be a lot >> easier. At least, it sure would for me and would give me a better overview >> than having it in my lap, for example. Or, the frequent complaint that is >> often heard is that holding it up is also uncomfortable, which makes sense >> too. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On May 5, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: >> >>> What would the case solve though? >>> >>> I also have the vo freezing problem on my touch; I expected it to be >>> at least partly fixed on the ipad. >>> >>> On 05/05/2010, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi, Just one question. Why not get the iPad case and put it in there? That just seems like a logical solution to your dilemma. If you haven't sold it yet, give it here. lol Really, I've always thought the iPhone was mainly for a consumer. You can write long documents on it, but it is far from comfortable and very efficient. Well, you can write really quickly on that device, but really, it might get tiresome after a while. We will have Bluetooth keyboard support, though, so that is very exciting. I imagine the screen to be exactly the opposite of what you are saying. Sorry to disagree. I think the larger screen would aid me a great deal, and the split-screen is just a nifty feature to me. I won't get an iPad, though, and I have a lot of reasons for that. I'll try out an iPad at the end of May when they ship internationally, but I'm not going to be that excited. First, what can the iPad do that my iPhone cannot? iWork? Perhaps. But right now, I don't see myself using an iPad. Technically, the space I would take up if I hook up a bluetooth keyboard to the iPad is probably just as much as my Macbook, if a little bit less. The Macbook is faster, and I need the superior speed. I need to be able to type blazingly fast, and though I could do that with the iPad keyboard dock or bluetooth keyboards, I still don't want to carry those accessories around with me. Of course, that doesn't mean I can't become very efficient with the on-screen keyboard on the device. Secondly, yes, the glare from the iPad's LCD is hard on the eyes for a few hours. Having to read on the iPad or iPhone for long periods of time is a pain, and that is really only
Re: Returning my iPad
It's always interesting to get another prospective. I do have a case for my iPad, so don't have to hold it up at all which helps. Personally, I love the device, but as with anything, people have differing opinions and I actually found Brian's experiences interesting and valuable to read. I find that the four finger flick gesture really helps while moving around most iPad screens, especially in applications such as mail and safari, this gesture helps avoid swiping with one finger constantly. I also find that applications such as iBooks and the iWork applications are wonderful additions to this device, and afford the user functionality ad productivity you just don't find on the iPhone. In my way of thinking, these are two different kinds of devices, which perform different functions and I use and think of them for completely different things in my life. There's also the issue with the iPhone's battery life. I can't for instance, watch a movie or stream a youtube video for any length of time with out experiencing significant battery drain. On my iPad, I am able to watch videos for hours, no problem. The case is a great, and IMO, needed, extra with the iPad for both blid and sighted users. It allows for more comfortable use of the iPad and means that you don't have to hold it or risk it falling. You can purchase it from apple for about $39.99. I am sorry to hear the iPad didn't work for you, Brian, and your experience just shows that not every piece of technology works well for every user. Thank you for posting this to the list! Have a great day! :) Olivia On May 5, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > He was saying it was uncomfortable to move around on the larger screen. If he > has the case and puts it on a table, I'd imagine this would be a lot easier. > At least, it sure would for me and would give me a better overview than > having it in my lap, for example. Or, the frequent complaint that is often > heard is that holding it up is also uncomfortable, which makes sense too. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On May 5, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: > >> What would the case solve though? >> >> I also have the vo freezing problem on my touch; I expected it to be >> at least partly fixed on the ipad. >> >> On 05/05/2010, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Just one question. >>> >>> Why not get the iPad case and put it in there? That just seems like a >>> logical solution to your dilemma. If you haven't sold it yet, give it here. >>> lol >>> >>> Really, I've always thought the iPhone was mainly for a consumer. You can >>> write long documents on it, but it is far from comfortable and very >>> efficient. Well, you can write really quickly on that device, but really, it >>> might get tiresome after a while. We will have Bluetooth keyboard support, >>> though, so that is very exciting. >>> >>> I imagine the screen to be exactly the opposite of what you are saying. >>> Sorry to disagree. I think the larger screen would aid me a great deal, and >>> the split-screen is just a nifty feature to me. I won't get an iPad, though, >>> and I have a lot of reasons for that. I'll try out an iPad at the end of May >>> when they ship internationally, but I'm not going to be that excited. >>> >>> First, what can the iPad do that my iPhone cannot? iWork? Perhaps. But right >>> now, I don't see myself using an iPad. Technically, the space I would take >>> up if I hook up a bluetooth keyboard to the iPad is probably just as much as >>> my Macbook, if a little bit less. The Macbook is faster, and I need the >>> superior speed. I need to be able to type blazingly fast, and though I could >>> do that with the iPad keyboard dock or bluetooth keyboards, I still don't >>> want to carry those accessories around with me. Of course, that doesn't mean >>> I can't become very efficient with the on-screen keyboard on the device. >>> >>> Secondly, yes, the glare from the iPad's LCD is hard on the eyes for a few >>> hours. Having to read on the iPad or iPhone for long periods of time is a >>> pain, and that is really only because it is bright. IF it was like the >>> Kindle where you still need a lamp to read, great. >>> >>> Third, I just don't think the iPad is right for me. I want something small >>> like my iPhone that can do all these things already, and I just can't >>> justify buying an iPad right now. Yeah, there are probably things the iPhone >>> will be unable to do, but that hasn't hampered my productivity any. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On May 5, 2010, at 7:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: >>> OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+
Re: Teathering with an i pad with a wireless ipad and iphone 3G s
Hi, There is plenty of reason for tethering your iPad. The money. You don't need to spend extra money on the 3G for the iPad, as your iPhone will provide the connection when you set it up properly. Of course, you might not want to tag both iPad and iPhone along, though, but that's your choice. I know it is actually possible to do this, because a sighted guy managed it. But I can't remember how to. I know it's probably pretty self-explanatory. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > Unless it was a 3g ipad then I can't see the point in teathering an Ipad. > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of olivia norman > Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 12:02 a.m. > To: list voiceover > Subject: Re: Teathering with an i pad with a wireless ipad and iphone 3G s > > I'm not sure about the UK. I know in the US, Steve Jobs himself, stated > that you couldn't get iPhone tethering for your iPad. > Olivia > On May 4, 2010, at 3:10 AM, Scott Ballard-Ridley wrote: > >> Hi all i am in the U.K where i phone teathering is allowed. I am > definately ordering an ipad on May 10th but i am now having doubts about > getting the 3G version based on reports from the U.S. My question therefore > is if i can get teathering on an iphone could i teather it to a normal > wireless ipad? >> >> Regards >> >> Scott >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Teathering with an i pad with a wireless ipad and iphone 3G s
Unless it was a 3g ipad then I can't see the point in teathering an Ipad. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of olivia norman Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 12:02 a.m. To: list voiceover Subject: Re: Teathering with an i pad with a wireless ipad and iphone 3G s I'm not sure about the UK. I know in the US, Steve Jobs himself, stated that you couldn't get iPhone tethering for your iPad. Olivia On May 4, 2010, at 3:10 AM, Scott Ballard-Ridley wrote: > Hi all i am in the U.K where i phone teathering is allowed. I am definately ordering an ipad on May 10th but i am now having doubts about getting the 3G version based on reports from the U.S. My question therefore is if i can get teathering on an iphone could i teather it to a normal wireless ipad? > > Regards > > Scott > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Returning my iPad
Hi, He was saying it was uncomfortable to move around on the larger screen. If he has the case and puts it on a table, I'd imagine this would be a lot easier. At least, it sure would for me and would give me a better overview than having it in my lap, for example. Or, the frequent complaint that is often heard is that holding it up is also uncomfortable, which makes sense too. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: > What would the case solve though? > > I also have the vo freezing problem on my touch; I expected it to be > at least partly fixed on the ipad. > > On 05/05/2010, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Just one question. >> >> Why not get the iPad case and put it in there? That just seems like a >> logical solution to your dilemma. If you haven't sold it yet, give it here. >> lol >> >> Really, I've always thought the iPhone was mainly for a consumer. You can >> write long documents on it, but it is far from comfortable and very >> efficient. Well, you can write really quickly on that device, but really, it >> might get tiresome after a while. We will have Bluetooth keyboard support, >> though, so that is very exciting. >> >> I imagine the screen to be exactly the opposite of what you are saying. >> Sorry to disagree. I think the larger screen would aid me a great deal, and >> the split-screen is just a nifty feature to me. I won't get an iPad, though, >> and I have a lot of reasons for that. I'll try out an iPad at the end of May >> when they ship internationally, but I'm not going to be that excited. >> >> First, what can the iPad do that my iPhone cannot? iWork? Perhaps. But right >> now, I don't see myself using an iPad. Technically, the space I would take >> up if I hook up a bluetooth keyboard to the iPad is probably just as much as >> my Macbook, if a little bit less. The Macbook is faster, and I need the >> superior speed. I need to be able to type blazingly fast, and though I could >> do that with the iPad keyboard dock or bluetooth keyboards, I still don't >> want to carry those accessories around with me. Of course, that doesn't mean >> I can't become very efficient with the on-screen keyboard on the device. >> >> Secondly, yes, the glare from the iPad's LCD is hard on the eyes for a few >> hours. Having to read on the iPad or iPhone for long periods of time is a >> pain, and that is really only because it is bright. IF it was like the >> Kindle where you still need a lamp to read, great. >> >> Third, I just don't think the iPad is right for me. I want something small >> like my iPhone that can do all these things already, and I just can't >> justify buying an iPad right now. Yeah, there are probably things the iPhone >> will be unable to do, but that hasn't hampered my productivity any. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On May 5, 2010, at 7:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: >> >>> OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already >>> decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the >>> lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that >>> is always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and >>> so expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. >>> >>> I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is >>> slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is >>> terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an >>> impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. >>> >>> I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an >>> iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it >>> should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position >>> of known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would >>> have a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend >>> hours using apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about >>> draining the power away. >>> >>> The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the >>> battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for >>> a very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, >>> and the battery just keeps on going. >>> >>> Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the >>> tech behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, >>> though, as a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. >>> >>> Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. >>> >>> The iPad has a larger screen. If you
Re: Returning my iPad
What would the case solve though? I also have the vo freezing problem on my touch; I expected it to be at least partly fixed on the ipad. On 05/05/2010, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Just one question. > > Why not get the iPad case and put it in there? That just seems like a > logical solution to your dilemma. If you haven't sold it yet, give it here. > lol > > Really, I've always thought the iPhone was mainly for a consumer. You can > write long documents on it, but it is far from comfortable and very > efficient. Well, you can write really quickly on that device, but really, it > might get tiresome after a while. We will have Bluetooth keyboard support, > though, so that is very exciting. > > I imagine the screen to be exactly the opposite of what you are saying. > Sorry to disagree. I think the larger screen would aid me a great deal, and > the split-screen is just a nifty feature to me. I won't get an iPad, though, > and I have a lot of reasons for that. I'll try out an iPad at the end of May > when they ship internationally, but I'm not going to be that excited. > > First, what can the iPad do that my iPhone cannot? iWork? Perhaps. But right > now, I don't see myself using an iPad. Technically, the space I would take > up if I hook up a bluetooth keyboard to the iPad is probably just as much as > my Macbook, if a little bit less. The Macbook is faster, and I need the > superior speed. I need to be able to type blazingly fast, and though I could > do that with the iPad keyboard dock or bluetooth keyboards, I still don't > want to carry those accessories around with me. Of course, that doesn't mean > I can't become very efficient with the on-screen keyboard on the device. > > Secondly, yes, the glare from the iPad's LCD is hard on the eyes for a few > hours. Having to read on the iPad or iPhone for long periods of time is a > pain, and that is really only because it is bright. IF it was like the > Kindle where you still need a lamp to read, great. > > Third, I just don't think the iPad is right for me. I want something small > like my iPhone that can do all these things already, and I just can't > justify buying an iPad right now. Yeah, there are probably things the iPhone > will be unable to do, but that hasn't hampered my productivity any. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On May 5, 2010, at 7:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: > >> OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already >> decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the >> lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that >> is always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and >> so expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. >> >> I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is >> slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is >> terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an >> impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. >> >> I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an >> iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it >> should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position >> of known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would >> have a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend >> hours using apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about >> draining the power away. >> >> The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the >> battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for >> a very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, >> and the battery just keeps on going. >> >> Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the >> tech behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, >> though, as a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. >> >> Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. >> >> The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for >> watching video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an >> eye strain. Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them >> just fine on an iPad or iPhone speaker. >> >> I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, >> it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at >> different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad >> screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire >> arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of >> computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold >> your arm up, with you
Re: Returning my iPad
Hi, Just one question. Why not get the iPad case and put it in there? That just seems like a logical solution to your dilemma. If you haven't sold it yet, give it here. lol Really, I've always thought the iPhone was mainly for a consumer. You can write long documents on it, but it is far from comfortable and very efficient. Well, you can write really quickly on that device, but really, it might get tiresome after a while. We will have Bluetooth keyboard support, though, so that is very exciting. I imagine the screen to be exactly the opposite of what you are saying. Sorry to disagree. I think the larger screen would aid me a great deal, and the split-screen is just a nifty feature to me. I won't get an iPad, though, and I have a lot of reasons for that. I'll try out an iPad at the end of May when they ship internationally, but I'm not going to be that excited. First, what can the iPad do that my iPhone cannot? iWork? Perhaps. But right now, I don't see myself using an iPad. Technically, the space I would take up if I hook up a bluetooth keyboard to the iPad is probably just as much as my Macbook, if a little bit less. The Macbook is faster, and I need the superior speed. I need to be able to type blazingly fast, and though I could do that with the iPad keyboard dock or bluetooth keyboards, I still don't want to carry those accessories around with me. Of course, that doesn't mean I can't become very efficient with the on-screen keyboard on the device. Secondly, yes, the glare from the iPad's LCD is hard on the eyes for a few hours. Having to read on the iPad or iPhone for long periods of time is a pain, and that is really only because it is bright. IF it was like the Kindle where you still need a lamp to read, great. Third, I just don't think the iPad is right for me. I want something small like my iPhone that can do all these things already, and I just can't justify buying an iPad right now. Yeah, there are probably things the iPhone will be unable to do, but that hasn't hampered my productivity any. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 5, 2010, at 7:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote: > OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already > decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the > lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that is > always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so > expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't. > > I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is slower > to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is terrible > when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an impressive > piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction. > > I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an > iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it > should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position of > known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would have > a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours using > apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the power > away. > > The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the > battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for a > very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, and > the battery just keeps on going. > > Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the tech > behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, though, as a > blind person, you're better off with an iPhone. > > Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS. > > The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching > video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. > Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an > iPad or iPhone speaker. > > I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, it > makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at different > positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad screen is huge > when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire arm in order to > navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of computing, because > your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold your arm up, with > your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the screen with part of your > wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to jump to some random position > on the screen. This is particularly frustrating because there is so much > content on an iPad screen.
