Re: iTunes Match and iOS

[Chris Meredith]

Hmmm. This is totally not what I'm seeing.  So either they are redoing how 
songs are managed on the iPhone, or they managed to break accessibility in the 
update (either of these are possible).  I suppose it's off to the forums where 
I can speak freely about such things then ...

-Chris-
On Jul 29, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> This is when you are in Songs view.  I don't believe that you'll have any 
> issues with the songs that are already uploaded to iCloud.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-07-29, at 4:01 PM, Chris Meredith  wrote:
> 
>> In what view would I find this?  Songs?  Artist?  It's possible that this is 
>> broken in ... um ... builds of iOS that I'm not permitted to talk about, in 
>> which case this is a regression and I should file a bug.  The other 
>> possibility is that my phone is syncing everything in my music library 
>> despite iTunes Match being turned on, which is about to become disastrous as 
>> I import my entire CD collection to the cloud.
>> 
>> On Jul 29, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> In iOS, if the music is locally stored, there will be no indication whereas 
>>> if it is in iCloud, part of your iTunes Match collection and thus 
>>> downloadable, there will be an iCloud Download button after the given item.
>>> 
>>> To delete an item is a little tricky but I have had success doing this:
>>> 
>>> • Double-tap and hold on the item you wish to delete.
>>> • VO will make the blip sound.
>>> • Right away after the blip sound finishes, swipe left or right.
>>> • Wait a couple of seconds then swipe right.
>>> • VO should announce "Confirm Deletion".
>>> • Double-tap on that button and it's gone.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2012-07-29, at 1:48 AM, Chris Meredith  wrote:
>>> 
 Greetings.
 
 So I just turned on iTunes Match and am in the process of uploading my 
 entire library.  One thing I'm noticing, though: It appears that VoiceOver 
 doesn't actually see the cloud icon next to songs, artists or albums that 
 indicate their status as "in the cloud" vs. locally downloaded.
 Further, I'm not entirely sure I can see an option to remove synced music 
 from my phone once downloaded.  Is there a workaround I'm missing due to 
 my expectation that the way to do things that is listed in most 
 walkthroughs actually works with VoiceOver?
 
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

[Chris Meredith]

I'll admit I was a little astounded at what actually worked on the Mac side.  
I've a machine with both platforms, as 1) I work in Windows CE, which Xcode 
oddly enough fails to develop for, 2) there are still some things that tend to 
work better on Windows (Remote Desktop being one such), and 3) my colleagues 
use Office, and I don't trust documents to make a round trip from Office to 
Pages to Office again and keep all of their schmancy formatting intact.  
Oh--and 4) my networked three-tuner CableCard device doesn't let me watch 
encrypted TV (ie. HBO and such) on the Mac.  Having said that, I've seen some 
"Web 2.0" sites (God I hate that term) that actually seem to work better with 
Safari 6, Mountain Lion and VoiceOver than they do on Windows.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I'd like to mention web browsing. I use chrome, not safari, but I find the 
> speed improvements in navigation amazing. In fact, it is as responsive now as 
> windows is on webpages, which I thought would never happen. I've been on 
> windows for years and had a horrible time getting used to the mac over the 
> last year, but now I literally turn on windows only for games. I never 
> thought I would do that, but the combination of ML, using Serena with vo, and 
> learning some really helpful commands has turned me into a shameless apple 
> fanboy.
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:38 AM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely 
>> baffled by the original post and those who
>> supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion, 
>> and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last
>> year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it, 
>> knowing that updates would come along and fix the
>> problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going 
>> to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis,
>> Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell, 
>> almost everything I hated about lion has been
>> fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my 
>> external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion
>> is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can 
>> recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at
>> start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are 
>> definitely entitled to their opinions, but this
>> almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the 
>> exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine
>> anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML.
>> OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I 
>> just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is
>> like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about 
>> using my mac now.
>> Missy
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>> 
>> I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out
>> we went through this same complaint cycle.   People want all the new stuff,
>> but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and 
>> energy to learn the new stuff.  Some how it should
>> just jump into their minds how to do everything.
>> 
>> Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain 
>> Lion and study those and learn before complaining.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>> 
>> 
>> Hello All.
>> 
>> Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one
>> for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my
>> opinion.
>> 
>> People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is
>> their right to do so of course.
>> 
>> But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have
>> been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into
>> shape.
>> 
>> So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send
>> your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work
>> with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and
>> sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If
>> everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do
>> something positive.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:
>> 
>>> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
>>> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
>>> amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
>>> thing 

Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

[Chris Meredith]

But then, aren't we beginning to see some of this with Trackpad Commander in 
VoiceOver, and the touch modifications that are present in Narrator on Windows 
8?
On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:03 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

> Cheree Heppe here:
> 
> Designing the architecture for a useable screen reader might be compared to a 
> science fiction writer designing a world or universe.  Wha if, though, the 
> original architecture of a world or a screen reader required radical changes 
> in order to keep pace with advancements unimagined in the original outlay?
> 
> Could we as users manage changes that re-mapped how keystrokes accessed 
> function?  Could a re-do of command structures be done without truly rocking 
> the world views of the users?  Could leaving a structural legacy intact, such 
> as maybe keystrokes using three and four keys at a time, a pattern that must 
> have sprung from the early beginnings of screen reader access, harm the 
> future flexibility or usability of a comman structure architecture?
> 
> What if the whole keystroke structure had to be re-done to make it more 
> streamlined and to allow for new access?  Could we tolerate that?  Or would 
> we be stuck in  some other mode?
> 
> If I could design an access model, it might allow screen gestures and tapping 
> the way an I-device such as an IPad or IPhone does, with the aded power of 
> the key commands and built-in features of a laptop design.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Cheree Heppe
> 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone 4S
> 
> On 31/07/2012, at 5:51, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> You'll agree that it is a big learning curve when you get a Mac. One will 
>> only succeed if one puts effort in. We are our own enemies. Another thought 
>> crossed my mind, we want our technology, we pay with it for a few days, then 
>> when we get board or dissatified, we bash it. Human nature! This is what is 
>> happening here!
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:40 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> 
>>> My response is simple.  If you are not going to report the issues as a bug 
>>> and are unhappy with the Mac.  Then simply don't buy one, or just take your 
>>> current one back if it is under the time limit of being able to get a full 
>>> refund.  Failing that, wipe it and stick Windows on the thing.
>>> 
>>> Bye bye 
>>> 
>>> Chris 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 12:16, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 And it ain't as if there's that much to complain about really.  Sure, 
 sometimes VO won't respond to pressing VO+space, and the time line issue; 
 but really, I think we're looking at an undercover Apple basher here.  You 
 know the type.  They get a Mac, give themselves perhaps a few  days with 
 it and expect it to be a windows machine.  So, when they find out it's 
 not, they not only take it back, they publicly condemn it to all their 
 windows friends.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:15 AM, "Christopher-Mark gilland" 
  wrote:
 
> Hear ye, hear ye!
> 
> I couldn't agree more.  That mail had me constantly over and over again, 
> saying? Drama, drama, drama!
> 
> O, K, are there some bugs, yeah, granted I really haven't found any, but 
> that isn't to say I won't eventually.  The point is, give Apple a break 
> for God sake, and before you accuse any beta tester saying, it's too 
> buggy, why did you all let the bugs come through... OK, Mister or Misses 
> Smarty-Pants? why don't we give you the source code to OSX and see what 
> you! can do!  In other words, in less blunt terms, the beta testers also 
> are human.  Just because someone is on the dev beta team does not make 
> them infalible.  They, like you and myself are human.  So cut out the 
> bashing please.  I agree. It's ok to complain, but do so construtively.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
> 
> 
> Hello All.
> 
> Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am 
> one for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my 
> opinion.
> 
> People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it 
> is their right to do so of course.
> 
> But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I 
> have been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product 
> into shape.
> 
> So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send 
> your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product 
> work with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do 
> that and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a 
> difference.  If 

Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

[Chris Meredith]

I can confirm that Safari seems to handle larger web pages significantly better 
(I used blindcooltech.com as my test page, since it still continues to be a 
mass of text, links and headings that go on for miles).  I am noticing some 
oddities with some table navigation on one site in particular that made me head 
back to my Windows installation where it worked, however.
Specifically, if you go to www.kingdomofloathing.com, create a character, go to 
Seaside Town, Market Square, Mr. Store, and attempt to buy something, not all 
of the elements appear visible to VoiceOver.  I'll ... I'll file this on 
bugreport.

-Chris-
On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:55 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:

> So you sold your Mac and gave up on it?  So what now qualifies you to know 
> how Mountain Lion and Safari 6 are performing?
> 
> I would say web surfing in ML is vastly improved.  I have not heard Safari 
> say busy yet, and the rotor is turbo speed in comparison to Lion.  Safari and 
> VO see more elements than before and you can easily select text now too.
> 
> Granted there are still a couple of minor bugs, but so is JAWS and Window 
> Eyes in that arena.
> 
> Sorry to be blunt, am just sick to death of people moaning.
> 
> Chris 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41, James Mannion  wrote:
> 
>> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
>> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
>> amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
>> thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
>> the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
>> view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
>> that it gets the job done.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
>>> everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
>>> iss about.
>>> 
>>> It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
>>> Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
>>> Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
>>> got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
>>> got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
>>> better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.
>>> 
>>> I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
>>> space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features
>>> being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows
>>> how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep
>>> Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail
>>> to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to
>>> us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were
>>> bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where
>>> the significant upgrade is.
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

[Chris Meredith]

Just some thoughts from someone who's actually in software development 
professionally.
Even if you're convinced that the beta testers have found a bug and that Apple 
is squashing it, report it anyway.  Occasionally, it helps set bug priority if 
developers know how many people are seeing the bug.  Something that is only 
occasionally reproduceable and has been reported only once or twice is not 
going to get the same priority as something that's easily reproduceable and 
affects thousands.
Bug reports do not need to contain effusive praise.  Yes, Apple has included a 
free screen reader in-box.  Odds are they already know this.  Not heaping 
praise upon them for what they have done will not, as I've heard some speculate 
(though not on this list) cause them to, let's face it, waste months and months 
of developer hours, break contracts with third party providers, and delay their 
next release just to remove VoiceOver and give those blind ingrates a spanking. 
 We're usually a thick-skinned bunch, and I can assure you that no bug I've 
encountered, even when reported by external customers, has contained a hymn of 
praise.
What we do like is steps you went through to reproduce the bug.  This includes 
"enable VoiceOver", possibly even including how to do so.  If nothing else, it 
may save the developer who has never used VoiceOver in their lives a bit of 
time by looking up the key sequence in whatever internal knowledge base Apple 
uses.  I've even gone so far when filing iOS bugs as to reproduce the bug on 
camera for them, attaching it as a QuickTime movie.  Even with the company I 
work for and the people that contract us, bug reports occasionally contain 
screenshots.  Again--if you can't provide screenshots or demos, detailed repro 
instructions will work just as well.  Soapbox mode off.  And no, I am not an 
Apple employee although, in the interest of full disclosure, I did previously 
work for the other guys over in Redmond.  And no, our bug reports also didn't 
include how much our external customers ostensibly hated our products and 
wanted us destroyed, either.

-Chris-
On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:49 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:

> I have found a number of bugs, and they are all fairly minor, no show 
> stoppers.  I am sure many of the bugs were identified by the beta testers, 
> but if Apple weighted for every single bug to be squashed then the thing 
> would never get out of the door.  instead of bitching, report the issues to 
> Apple.
> 
> Let's look at Blackberry for example, where is their Blackberry 10 operating 
> system? Oh right, yeah, they are waiting to release it once it is finally 
> feature rich and bug free.  See you in 2014 RIM or will it be RIP?
> 
> Let's remember that Apple will spend the next 12 months fixing any major 
> issues with Mountain Lion, is not just dumped in your lap to never be 
> updated.  So if you have concerns or issues, then let Apple know about it 
> directly.
> 
> Our energy would be best spent on making VoiceOver great, not tearing it 
> apart.
> 
> Narrator for Windows anyone?
> 
> Chris 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 11:15, Christopher-Mark gilland  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hear ye, hear ye!
>> 
>> I couldn't agree more.  That mail had me constantly over and over again, 
>> saying? Drama, drama, drama!
>> 
>> O, K, are there some bugs, yeah, granted I really haven't found any, but 
>> that isn't to say I won't eventually.  The point is, give Apple a break for 
>> God sake, and before you accuse any beta tester saying, it's too buggy, why 
>> did you all let the bugs come through... OK, Mister or Misses Smarty-Pants? 
>> why don't we give you the source code to OSX and see what you! can do!  In 
>> other words, in less blunt terms, the beta testers also are human.  Just 
>> because someone is on the dev beta team does not make them infalible.  They, 
>> like you and myself are human.  So cut out the bashing please.  I agree. 
>> It's ok to complain, but do so construtively.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>> 
>> 
>> Hello All.
>> 
>> Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one 
>> for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my opinion.
>> 
>> People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is 
>> their right to do so of course.
>> 
>> But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have 
>> been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape.
>> 
>> So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send 
>> your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work 
>> with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and 
>> sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If 
>> everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So 

Re: Doesn't Anyone else use Web Spots in Safari?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Art,

I wonder if there is just something changed in your system Preferences.  In 
Lion, Apple introduced something called Natural Scrolling where scrolling 
happens the opposite to the way we were accustomed to in previous versions of 
the MacOS.  I know for sure that this messed up many of us who use Trackpad 
scrolling and I'm wondering if it affects mouse scrolling as well.  I don't 
have a mouse handy at home here as all my machines have Trackpads or Magic 
Trackpads.  In the system Preferences, in the Trackpad pane there is a checkbox 
that I have unchecked for Natural Scrolling.  There may be the same sort of 
option in the Mouse pane of System Preferences.  My guess is that if you 
uncheck it, your mouse should go back to what you're accustomed to.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-08-05, at 9:21 PM, arthur gindin  wrote:

> Brian, I monitor macvisionaries for my blind almost-12 year old grandchild.  
> Unfortunately she is more interested in anime than practicing typing.
> 
> I noticed with ML that the scroll wheel on my trackball was going in the 
> "wrong" direction.  At my ancient age i assumed i had just forgotten how it 
> worked before.  Thanks for letting me know my memory hasn't gone completely.
> 
> art
> 
> On 8/5/12 11:10 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> Hey guys, just wanted to give you an update as I did report this
>> misnavigation or reverse navigation to Apple, and they didn't know
>> about it and will be working on it. I to do not make enough use of my
>> trackpad just so comfortable with the keyboard for everything.
>> 
>> On Aug 1, 11:30 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I posted once about this but got no response, so wanted to try again.
>>> I make use of setting webspots and sweet spots on the pages I go to a
>>> lot, as I find this makes navigating a page much faster. Anyway, all
>>> of my webspots have been reversed in mountain lion. what I mean is to
>>> scroll down from the top to the bottom of the page in previous
>>> versions I would hit VO Command right bracket to go to the next web
>>> spot to the right, and VO command left bracket to go to the next web
>>> spot to the left. Simple. In Mountain it is completely reverse which
>>> is one of the most annoying thing as when I click VO command righ
>>> bracket it takes me to the next web spot to the left and VO command
>>> left bracket to the next web spot to the right. This makes no sense
>>> what so ever, and I am wondering if it is a setting that I have set
>>> incorrectly for navigating a page. I tried turning scrolling from
>>> normal to not clicking normal and this did nothing. This setting was
>>> under the Track pad. I don't even have a mouse connected, so maybe the
>>> setting is in that menu, as I can't even access the mouse menu since
>>> my system doesn't detect a mouse. Has anyone else experienced this? I
>>> am so used to where all of my web spots are set this is so
>>> frustrating. I even tried removing my web spots on a page and
>>> resetting them, but this didn't change the directions. It would make
>>> sense you click right and you go right you click left and you go left,
>>> but not in Mountain Lion. Would appreciate any help. Thanks
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Re: Doesn't Anyone else use Web Spots in Safari?

[Tim Kilburn]

Thanks for reporting it Brian.  As I mentioned earlier, if both the Help Viewer 
and VO Keyboard Practice say that it is to go the way you expect, then it 
certainly is a bug.  Reporting it is the best way to address it.  Simply 
creating a new key combination yourself doesn't help the new users.  It needs 
to work properly.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-08-05, at 9:10 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey guys, just wanted to give you an update as I did report this
> misnavigation or reverse navigation to Apple, and they didn't know
> about it and will be working on it. I to do not make enough use of my
> trackpad just so comfortable with the keyboard for everything.
> 
> On Aug 1, 11:30 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I posted once about this but got no response, so wanted to try again.
>> I make use of setting webspots and sweet spots on the pages I go to a
>> lot, as I find this makes navigating a page much faster. Anyway, all
>> of my webspots have been reversed in mountain lion. what I mean is to
>> scroll down from the top to the bottom of the page in previous
>> versions I would hit VO Command right bracket to go to the next web
>> spot to the right, and VO command left bracket to go to the next web
>> spot to the left. Simple. In Mountain it is completely reverse which
>> is one of the most annoying thing as when I click VO command righ
>> bracket it takes me to the next web spot to the left and VO command
>> left bracket to the next web spot to the right. This makes no sense
>> what so ever, and I am wondering if it is a setting that I have set
>> incorrectly for navigating a page. I tried turning scrolling from
>> normal to not clicking normal and this did nothing. This setting was
>> under the Track pad. I don't even have a mouse connected, so maybe the
>> setting is in that menu, as I can't even access the mouse menu since
>> my system doesn't detect a mouse. Has anyone else experienced this? I
>> am so used to where all of my web spots are set this is so
>> frustrating. I even tried removing my web spots on a page and
>> resetting them, but this didn't change the directions. It would make
>> sense you click right and you go right you click left and you go left,
>> but not in Mountain Lion. Would appreciate any help. Thanks
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Re: Preview versus skim?

[Dan Roy]

Esther:

Thanks vary much for this resource, it's most appreciated.  It does definitely 
have more options.

unfortunately, it didn't eliminate the 1 big problem I am having with Preview.

After interacting with the text and then trying to read through the file, I am 
getting words that appear to be split by either a space or a hard return.

So, the word review might come out as re view.  This happens all the time and 
is quite annoying.  I have played with all the viewing options and can't seem 
to eliminate this issue.  It seems like it first reared up in Lion and has 
continued in the mountain version.  if you or anyone else has any ideas on 
this, I would appreciate some help if possible, thanks.


On Aug 5, 2012, at 12:16 AM, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> 
> Skim has been referred to as "Preview on steroids".  It's free and open 
> source with a creative commons license, and gets frequent updates.  You can 
> download the latest version from Source Forge:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/skim-app/files/
> I don't know that there are any "cons" about using Skim, except that since it 
> has a lot of options, there's more to navigate in the basic distribution, and 
> it has more features than you will use.  The quick description is that it is 
> laid out very much like Preview, but supports annotation, so there is a 
> second sidebar for notes.  Because it uses the same base as Preview, any 
> limitations that you find when reading PDFs in Preview will show up in Skim.  
> So, for example, bookmarks take you back to the page you were reading but not 
> to the exact spot in the page (unless you set hotspots).  On the other hand, 
> there are expanded features, such as being able to organize your bookmarks 
> into folders.
> 
> One situation where someone might clearly want to use Skim over Preview, is 
> if they were reviewing a PowerPoint or Keynote presentation that was exported 
> to PDF.  These don't play nicely with Preview, even using Full Screen mode.  
> But Skim has an additional "Presentation mode" for viewing, and you can 
> easily display presentations in this mode, controlling page transitions, etc. 
>  So this is an easy and accessible way to give a text-based presentation or 
> to review notes from the text content of a presentation.  
> 
> I originally started using Skim because it maintained more stable focus 
> behavior than Preview in operations like search and find.  When there are 
> really good Skim features eventually they get adopted and show up in later 
> versions of Preview.
> 
> By the way, since Skim is supported as an open source effort at Source Forge 
> and is freely available there and not through the Mac App Store, there's a 
> Skim rip-off being sold in the Mac App Store as "PDF Reader".  It's based on 
> an old version of Skim, and I'm rather surprised that Apple hasn't pulled 
> this, since there's no support, and the distributor is just profiting from 
> the (old version) open source efforts of Skim.  Since a number of Mac users 
> follow Skim, and it's highly rated at various download sites like MacUpdate, 
> a few people bought the version in the App Store when it showed up thinking 
> that it was put out by the people who work on Skim.  It's not, and you'll 
> just be paying for an unsupported, old version.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Aug 3, 2012, at 11:28 PM, chris hallsworth wrote:
> 
>> The subject says it all. What are the pros and cons please. Thanks!
>> - Original Message - From: "Esther" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 2:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: merging several PDF files into one.
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> It's actually possible to merge PDF files with Preview if you can drag and 
>> drop to the thumbnails in the sidebar, but I don't think this works with 
>> VoiceOver drag and drop -- at the very least it would be difficult.  If you 
>> have Skim downloaded there's an embedded SkimPDF command line tool that lets 
>> you perform operations like merging and extracting PDF files in Terminal.
>> 
>> If you look under: /Applications/Skim.app/Contents/SharedSupport/  there are 
>> three applications: displayline, skimnotes, and skimpdf.  You need to copy 
>> skimpdf to somewhere in your default path with executable permission using 
>> your Admin password.
>> 
>> Open Terminal and type or paste in:
>> sudo cp -p /Applications/Skim.app/Contents/SharedSupport/skimpdf /usr/bin/
>> 
>> and press "Return".  You'll be prompted to authorize with your Admin 
>> password. The "cp -p" does the copy preserving permissions so you can 
>> execute the commands.
>> 
>> Then to merge two pdf files from the command line you can type:
>> skimpdf merge file1.pdf file2.pdf merged.pdf
>> 
>> The specification of an output file like "merged.pdf"  is optional.  I think 
>> if you don't specify an output file, the second file just gets appended to 
>> the first, but you should experiment.  You can also find out the syntax of 
>> commands by typing:
>> skim

Re: Doesn't Anyone else use Web Spots in Safari?

[arthur gindin]

Brian, I monitor macvisionaries for my blind almost-12 year old 
grandchild.  Unfortunately she is more interested in anime than 
practicing typing.


I noticed with ML that the scroll wheel on my trackball was going in the 
"wrong" direction.  At my ancient age i assumed i had just forgotten how 
it worked before.  Thanks for letting me know my memory hasn't gone 
completely.


art

On 8/5/12 11:10 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:

Hey guys, just wanted to give you an update as I did report this
misnavigation or reverse navigation to Apple, and they didn't know
about it and will be working on it. I to do not make enough use of my
trackpad just so comfortable with the keyboard for everything.

On Aug 1, 11:30 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hey all,

I posted once about this but got no response, so wanted to try again.
I make use of setting webspots and sweet spots on the pages I go to a
lot, as I find this makes navigating a page much faster. Anyway, all
of my webspots have been reversed in mountain lion. what I mean is to
scroll down from the top to the bottom of the page in previous
versions I would hit VO Command right bracket to go to the next web
spot to the right, and VO command left bracket to go to the next web
spot to the left. Simple. In Mountain it is completely reverse which
is one of the most annoying thing as when I click VO command righ
bracket it takes me to the next web spot to the left and VO command
left bracket to the next web spot to the right. This makes no sense
what so ever, and I am wondering if it is a setting that I have set
incorrectly for navigating a page. I tried turning scrolling from
normal to not clicking normal and this did nothing. This setting was
under the Track pad. I don't even have a mouse connected, so maybe the
setting is in that menu, as I can't even access the mouse menu since
my system doesn't detect a mouse. Has anyone else experienced this? I
am so used to where all of my web spots are set this is so
frustrating. I even tried removing my web spots on a page and
resetting them, but this didn't change the directions. It would make
sense you click right and you go right you click left and you go left,
but not in Mountain Lion. Would appreciate any help. Thanks


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Re: Doesn't Anyone else use Web Spots in Safari?

[Brian Fischler]

Hey guys, just wanted to give you an update as I did report this
misnavigation or reverse navigation to Apple, and they didn't know
about it and will be working on it. I to do not make enough use of my
trackpad just so comfortable with the keyboard for everything.

On Aug 1, 11:30 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I posted once about this but got no response, so wanted to try again.
> I make use of setting webspots and sweet spots on the pages I go to a
> lot, as I find this makes navigating a page much faster. Anyway, all
> of my webspots have been reversed in mountain lion. what I mean is to
> scroll down from the top to the bottom of the page in previous
> versions I would hit VO Command right bracket to go to the next web
> spot to the right, and VO command left bracket to go to the next web
> spot to the left. Simple. In Mountain it is completely reverse which
> is one of the most annoying thing as when I click VO command righ
> bracket it takes me to the next web spot to the left and VO command
> left bracket to the next web spot to the right. This makes no sense
> what so ever, and I am wondering if it is a setting that I have set
> incorrectly for navigating a page. I tried turning scrolling from
> normal to not clicking normal and this did nothing. This setting was
> under the Track pad. I don't even have a mouse connected, so maybe the
> setting is in that menu, as I can't even access the mouse menu since
> my system doesn't detect a mouse. Has anyone else experienced this? I
> am so used to where all of my web spots are set this is so
> frustrating. I even tried removing my web spots on a page and
> resetting them, but this didn't change the directions. It would make
> sense you click right and you go right you click left and you go left,
> but not in Mountain Lion. Would appreciate any help. Thanks

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Re: office headset?

[Emrah]

There is no office headset that can do that.
At least not from Jabra, Plantronics or Sennheiser.

You have 3 solutions I can recommend:
1. Either get 2 simple mono headsets, one plugged to the phone, one to the 
computer. Not very elegant.
2. Get a Plantronics Savi or Jabra Pro and make sure it can mix the audio both 
from the Telephone line and the computer via USB.
3. Ask your system admin to hook you to the company's VoIP system if they use 
it. Then get yourself a nice USB headset and you'll be able to use your 
computer as a phone and still hear VoiceOver fine.
If your company uses SIP, then you have quite a few accessible softphones out 
there. The easiest being Telephone.

Best,
E
On Aug 6, 2012, at 1:55 AM, Kliphton  wrote:

> I’m looking for a headset that will allow me to hear my computer in one ear, 
> and my phone call in another.  Anyone have any suggestions?  I think 
> Plantronics sells one, but can’t think of the name off the top of my head.
> 
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Re: adium verses trillion?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Cliff. For Facebook, I think Trillion is better than Adium. What I like 
about it is not only can you chat on Facebook, but Trillion also monitors your 
contacts' news feeds and if you have Growl set up for it to run with speech, 
it'll automatically read them. I haven't tried it with my MSN and Aim but when 
my SamNet subscription expires and I have to use apps that are already 
installed on my Mac, I will eventually switch my accounts to Trillion. But as 
the previous lister has said, it's all about preference.

Shawn
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Re: Making an Install Flash Drive for Lion: Tutorial Link

[Chris Snyder]

And how do you tell the computer to boot from the flash drive? I know the CD is 
the c key, but I can't remember how to start on the flash drive. 

Friendly,
Chris
On Aug 7, 2011, at 7:14 AM, Joseph Norton wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> Both CCC (Carbon Copy Cloner) and Super Duper (from Shirt Pocket
> Software) will handle this for you.  I successfully created a bootable
> flash drive with both my original OS X Snow Leopard disc and the Lion
> install image.
> 
> Super Duper worked like a champ.
> 
> On 8/7/11, Georges Zaynoun  wrote:
>> I simply accomplished this task by using CCC instead of disk utility,
>> that is much easier and it yielded same result in the end, a bootable
>> flash drive.
>> Original message:
>>> Here's how to get around the issue, click the restore tab, then in the
>>> list of disks, control click the flash drive and choose set as
>>> destination. You need to move the mouse to the item, and control click
>>> it, doing VO shift m won't work, which is probably a bug in disk
>>> utility. Once that's done, select the disk image for the source in the
>>> usual way
>>> On Aug 6, 2011, at 8:36 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote:
>> 
 Hello everybody.
 Did we ever end up solving the VO dragging and dropping of the flash
 drive on the the destination field in disc utility? I'm trying to make
 a Lion drive right now and am having this issue.
 Thanks all.
>> 
 On 2011-07-24, at 6:00 PM, Dan wrote:
>> 
> Hello,
> I followed the instructions in Disc utility and as far as the drag and
> drop, I got as far as setting the drive to be drug, but it never
> completed the drag. Then once I got it to complete, but then it became
> the source destination.
> This whole drag and drop thing is really iffy at best.
> I have Lion on a DVD, but for what ever reason, I am totally unable to
> get the dmg file to properly be placed on the flash drive. I have never
> had any problem with dealing with image files and using disk utility.
> Does any one have any suggestions for doing the whole process of
> putting the install dmg file on the flash drive as a bootable drive, I
> don't mean the part about creating the partition and stuff, I mean the
> restore part, it just isn't working at all. So again, instructions for
> VO only would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> 
> Dan
>> 
> On Jul 24, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Courtney Currant wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I partitioned a 32 gb flash drive, then I went to the restore tab in
>> disc utility. I chose the .dmg file as my source, but how can I choose
>> my destination as the flash drive?
>> Thanks,
>> Courtney
>> On Jul 24, 2011, at 5:53 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Teresa and list,
>> 
>>> Am 24.07.2011 um 08:03 schrieb Teresa Cochran:
>> 
 I saw a few questions on this list about this, so I looked it up.
 Here's a link. Note that it's geared more toward sighted users, but
 basically it involves taking the .dmg file and working with it in
 Disc Utility.
 http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-make-your-own-os-x-lion-bootable-usb-flash-drive-tutorial/
>> 
>>> Quite interesting. The only issue: There is no Lion file in my
>>> application folder. Do you have an idea what to do then?
>> 
>>> Thanks and
>>> all the best
>>> Jürgen
>> 
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Dock question

[Bill Holton]

Hi.
When I'm in the dock and I go to a file folder like download or my drop box 
which I have moved to the doc and I do a shift command control spacebar to get 
to the context menu the items I want to change   like sort by hand show by have 
been dimmed out.   how do I get these to show up ?
Thanks.

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Youtube and flash

[-]

wyou

I noted the recent thread about downloading flash for use in order for 
some videos to play inyoutube.  I 'm using snow leopard.  Some youtube 
videos don't play.  Can I download the latest flash or is there one 
specific to snow leopard?  If so where can it be found?


Thanks.
XB

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office headset?

[Kliphton]

I'm looking for a headset that will allow me to hear my computer in one ear,
and my phone call in another.  Anyone have any suggestions?  I think
Plantronics sells one, but can't think of the name off the top of my head.

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Re: adding contacts to groups?

[Ray Foret Jr]

I don't even bother interacting.  I just paste it right in.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Aug 5, 2012, at 4:50 PM, "Paul Hunt"  wrote:

> Hello Ray. You can streamline this task a little.
> 1.   Interact with the group names table.
> 2.   2. Find the group you want to add your new contact to.
> 3.   Uninteract with the group name table.
> 4.   4. Add your new contact.
> Your contact will be added to the group and the cloud will make sure that 
> this happens on all of your devices.
> The contact will also be added to the “All Contacts” group. Do not remove the 
> contact from the All Contacts group. If you do, then it’s removed from the 
> other group as well.
>  
> HTH
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 3:51 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: adding contacts to groups?
>  
> YOu want to select or create a group.  Then, you want to go in to your main 
> contacts and, from there, select the contacts you wish to add using the usual 
> methods.  Then, go back to the groups table and find the group to which you 
> wish to add those contacts.  Now, Navigate to the contacts table for that 
> group.  Paste in the contacts in the usual way.
>  
>  
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>  
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>  
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>  
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> Is there a way to add contacts to groups in Mountain Lion? I want to be abel 
> to type in the group name and have all the email addresses assigned to that 
> group filled in. I saw nothing like this in contacts; I created a new group, 
> but have no idea how to get people assigned to it. Thanks.
>  
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
>  
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Re: dictation help

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

*smile* any time at all.  Dictation works pretty well for me, and I've tested 
it with various accents and types of rant, etc.  It's almost creepy how well it 
works.  Speakable items, not so much. 


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Re: dictation help

[Caitlyn and Nickels]

Heya, Mark!  Thanks bunches!  With help from you and my husband, I got this 
thing to work, sorta!  It messes up email addresses, but that's to be expected, 
I supposes!  I guess it gets better over time, though.. speakable items, well, 
I don't expect to be useing that much, anyway, really, like you said, mostly a 
fun thing, really, except the time thing.

Thanks,
Cait

On 2012-08-05, at 2:39 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter  
wrote:

> Hey Caitlyn.
> Two separate deals here: The dictation app and the Speakable Items app.  
> First, I don' know of anyone who's gotten Speakable Items to work very well, 
> other than "what time is it."  Useful, a good conversation piece, but… a lot 
> of the other speakable items don't seem to work that well most of the time.
> 
> Second:  Dictation.  If you his the function key (or whatever you're using 
> for a shortcut) twice, you hear the "I'm listening," low B-flat tone  Talk 
> into your microphone, and when you're done, tap that shortcut key once again, 
> and you'll hear the high b-flat tone.  Within a second, you should hear VO 
> speak the things you just babbled.  
> 
> If it doesn't work that way, get back to me and we can try other avenues of 
> figuring this out. :)
> 
> 
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RE: VO behaving weird on iPhone... How to solve that?

[Shen]

Try closing apps in the app switcher.
I've found that if there are too many apps running in the background, it can
slow down VoiceOver.
I make it a habit of clearing out my apps that I don't use.
Restarting your phone is not much of a solution because the apps remain in
the app switcher. To restart your phone more effectively, close all the apps
in the app switcher, then restart it.


 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Hole
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 1:23 PM
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: VO behaving weird on iPhone... How to solve that?

Hi folks.

Sometimes after long use, VoiceOver is behaving weird on my iPhone.
When reading long sentences, VO stops reading, and I can't get it to read
everything.
For example on Twitter or on Facebook where there can be a bit longer posts,
VO reads the first part, and I can't get it to read the whole thing.
If I flick to the right, it reads the next.

I've only found two ways to solve this:
1. After flicking through lots of Facebook posts in the newsfeed or Twitter
messages, VO stops speaking.
Then I have to lock the phone, and wait a few minutes.
After that, VO works as it should.
2. Reboot the phone.

Anyone here who have a more efficient solution to this?

Thanks in advance.
-David

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enabling backspace as delete key in Safari

[Rachel Feinberg]

Hi all,

There was a thread recently in which people were discussing how the backspace 
key no longer worked to go back a page in Safari 6.
I've just stumbled upon an article thanks to twitter, that tells how to 
re-enable the backspace key in Safari, and also how to get the RSS button back.
Here's the website that explains all:
http://osxdaily.com/2012/08/05/return-safari-6-delete-key-functionality-to-go-back-a-page/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+osxdaily+%28OS+X+Daily%29
Hope that helps,
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RE: adding contacts to groups?

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Ray. You can streamline this task a little.

1.   Interact with the group names table.

2.   2. Find the group you want to add your new contact to.

3.   Uninteract with the group name table.

4.   4. Add your new contact.

Your contact will be added to the group and the cloud will make sure
that this happens on all of your devices.

The contact will also be added to the "All Contacts" group. Do not remove
the contact from the All Contacts group. If you do, then it's removed from
the other group as well.

 

HTH

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 3:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: adding contacts to groups?

 

YOu want to select or create a group.  Then, you want to go in to your main
contacts and, from there, select the contacts you wish to add using the
usual methods.  Then, go back to the groups table and find the group to
which you wish to add those contacts.  Now, Navigate to the contacts table
for that group.  Paste in the contacts in the usual way.

 

 

Sincerely,

The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

 

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

 

Skype name:

barefootedray

 

On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:





Hi all,

Is there a way to add contacts to groups in Mountain Lion? I want to be abel
to type in the group name and have all the email addresses assigned to that
group filled in. I saw nothing like this in contacts; I created a new group,
but have no idea how to get people assigned to it. Thanks.

 

Have a great day,

Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)

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numbers

[Kliphton]

Got my hands on a copy of numbers, and this is coming from someone who has
used excel extensively over the last 4 years.  Any tutorials or podcasts out
there to help me get started?

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RE: SSD external drive for Mac

[Jesus Garcia]

Perhaps this has already been posted, but I am using a my pass port one TB
external. I think I paid 84 dollars from the flash memory store. It runs off
the USB port on my mac book pro without any power supply. It will also work
on a windows machine I cannot say anything about the included software since
I have not used it, but thus, far I have had no issues using the lion or
mountain lion disc utility with this drive. It is fast and quiet. Also, it
will support USB 3.0 though no fire wire, or thunder bolt.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 10:55
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SSD external drive for Mac

Hi,

I know this isn't really an answer but, I don't think the small increase in
speed gained by an external SSd is worth the premium price. For an external
drive, I would recommend sticking with a traditional platter hard drive.

JMO.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Aug 5, 2012, at 4:11 AM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:

> Guys,
> I had a very disappointing experience today. I bought a 128GB SSD drive,
only to learn that a Mac could not write to it.  It was bad enough that I
couldn't find an SSD drive with FireWire ports, but to find a drive that
could only be written to buy a Windows computer?  This was absolutely
unacceptable. Does anyone know of an SSD drive with FireWire ports that can
be used by a Mac?  
> Thanks,
> Kevin
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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VO behaving weird on iPhone... How to solve that?

[David Hole]

Hi folks.

Sometimes after long use, VoiceOver is behaving weird on my iPhone.
When reading long sentences, VO stops reading, and I can't get it to
read everything.
For example on Twitter or on Facebook where there can be a bit longer
posts, VO reads the first part, and I can't get it to read the whole
thing.
If I flick to the right, it reads the next.

I've only found two ways to solve this:
1. After flicking through lots of Facebook posts in the newsfeed or
Twitter messages, VO stops speaking.
Then I have to lock the phone, and wait a few minutes.
After that, VO works as it should.
2. Reboot the phone.

Anyone here who have a more efficient solution to this?

Thanks in advance.
-David

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Re: dictation help

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

Hey Caitlyn.
Two separate deals here: The dictation app and the Speakable Items app.  First, 
I don' know of anyone who's gotten Speakable Items to work very well, other 
than "what time is it."  Useful, a good conversation piece, but… a lot of the 
other speakable items don't seem to work that well most of the time.

Second:  Dictation.  If you his the function key (or whatever you're using for 
a shortcut) twice, you hear the "I'm listening," low B-flat tone  Talk into 
your microphone, and when you're done, tap that shortcut key once again, and 
you'll hear the high b-flat tone.  Within a second, you should hear VO speak 
the things you just babbled.  

If it doesn't work that way, get back to me and we can try other avenues of 
figuring this out. :)


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Re: dictation help

[Caitlyn and Nickels]

Hi Clin and Mark,

I've done all the setting up of dictation and of the speakable items.

As far as dictation, when I hit the key I've decided to use in an edit field , 
I hear the ding sound, I say what I need to to, and when I check, nothing 
whatsoever is written in the edit box!

Supposedly, there's some setting where I can say, computer, send email to blah, 
blah, or whatever, and it does it, I guess, is this correct, or am I just  
dreaming?  lol!

Thanks for any and all help!
Caitlyn

On 2012-08-04, at 7:21 PM, "Red.Falcon"  
wrote:

> Hi there!
> I am not speaking for Caitlyn: but I she might also want speakable items 
> because she mentioned the list of phrases to say!
> that Caitlyn is not the same as Dictation,
> hth Colin
> 
> On 5 Aug 2012, at 00:15, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
> 
>> Caitlyn:
>> I am not much into bossing people around, unless they're utter morons and I 
>> have no choice, so in your case, no bossing will be necessary.  To set up 
>> Dictation, Go to the menu bar with VO M, then down arrow in the Apple menu 
>> to System preferences.  Enter there or VO Space.  Interact with the 
>> preference pane when it comes up, and press D I or VO right until you land 
>> on Dictation and Speech.  Vo Shift space there to open it.  Select the 
>> Dictation Tab, and the first thing is an "on radio button," which turns 
>> Dictation on.  After that, you just set up the rest of the configuration, 
>> find an edit box and tap your shortcut key twice, and off you go!
>> Let me know if you need more help with it; I'm around and can walk you 
>> through on Skype or by call or whatever if you want.
>> 
>> 
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>> • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>> • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>> • My home page:
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Re: More problems with Menuweather

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Alison. This has been a bug even in Lion. They're hoping to fix it soon. HTH.

Shawn
Sent from my white Mac Book

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Re: what scanning software is compadable with the mack?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Chenelle,

VueScan costs $39.95 for a one-year license, or $79.95 for a lifetime license. 
It supports the vast majority of scanners and produces excellent images. It can 
also do OCR but isn't as good as ABBYY FineReader for this. I think that 
FineReader costs around $80 dollars but can't say for sure as I'm in the euro 
zone not the US.

You have to buy VueScan direct from the developer, at


So, the combination of VueScan and ABBYY FineReader is cheaper than DocuScan 
but takes more setting up.

I put together a little user guide for VueScan with ABBYY FineReader, so if you 
choose to go that route, let me know and I'll send it to you.

Cheers,

Anne



On 5 Aug 2012, at 15:27, Chenelle Hancock wrote:

> Hi  anne,
> 
> thanks so much for the  advice i really do appreciate it.  however, do abby 
> find reader or doc you scan cost anything and how much  would they both be to 
> purchase  if i had to get either one or the other?.
> thanks so much again for your help.
> sincerely, chenelle

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Re: adium verses trillion?

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi there, that is very subjective. May I suggest you test-drive  each of them 
in order to determine which meets your needs best? As far as I'm aware they are 
both free. Adium is available at http://www.adiumx.com and trillium is 
available in the app store.On 2012-08-05, at 12:02 PM, Kliphton wrote:

> Has anyone used both these apps?  Some say trillion is the best, some say 
> adium is.  I want the best one that works with voice over.  They both say you 
> can chat on face book, windows live, yahoo chat, Google talk, and aim.  So 
> thoughts from anyone who has used both?
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adium verses trillion?

[Kliphton]

Has anyone used both these apps?  Some say trillion is the best, some say
adium is.  I want the best one that works with voice over.  They both say
you can chat on face book, windows live, yahoo chat, Google talk, and aim.
So thoughts from anyone who has used both?

 

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RE: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari

[Bill Holton]

Can I join you in that corner?  I couldn't get command left/right arrow to
work...because I was always on a new tab with no back or forward pages to go
to.



BILL HOLTON
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 11:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari

Wow!

How on earth did I miss that?  My bad. haha. I'll go sit over here in the
corner now.

Some alternatives you can use are, command left/right bracket or, command
left/right arrow. :)

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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On Aug 5, 2012, at 10:26 AM, "Bill Holton"  wrote:

> Maybe it's me who's missing something.  With ML and Safari 6, the 
> backspace key has stopped moving me back and the shift backspace key 
> has stopped moving me forward.  I have tried both with and without quick
nav on.
> 
> 
> 
> BILL HOLTON
> Email:b...@bholton.com
> Direct:   386-624-6309
> Homepage: www.bholton.com
> Home Office:  1520 Loughton ST
>   DeLand, FL  32720
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:24 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in 
> Safari
> 
> Am I missing something here? I'm able to press backspace to go back a 
> page without configuring anything.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Aug 4, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Christopher-Mark gilland 
> 
> wrote:
> 
>> I definitely wouldn't wanna do this, as like the tip states, you then 
>> lose
> your ability to delete inputted text, so, if I make a booboo on a web 
> based e-mail service and I'm 3 paragraphs deep, and I only have a 
> backspace key, not a full delete key on my keyboard, then, guess what, 
> I'm screwed.  Looks like Im gonna be typing the whole thing over from 
> the top... or... did I miss something?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Bill Holton
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 9:26 PM
>> Subject: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in 
>> Safari
>> 
>> Has anyone tried this?  Or is there a better way to get a better 
>> command
> to go back in Safari..
>> 
>> Re-enable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari 6 
>>  Aug 03, '12 07:30:00AM . Contributed by: philwo It 
>> seems like Apple disabled the "Press Backspace to go back a page" 
>> feature
> in Safari 6 due to users having complained about losing text entered 
> in text fields when they accidentally pressed the backspace key. If 
> you liked this feature, you can enable it again using this command:
>> defaults write com.apple.Safari NSUserKeyEquivalents -dict-add Back
> "\U232b"
>> If you ever want to disable it, there are two possibilities. The 
>> first, if
> you don't have any other shortcuts for Safari, is to run this command:
>> defaults delete com.apple.Safari NSUserKeyEquivalents It will delete 
>> all Safari keyboard shortcuts.
>> 
>> The second method is a bit more time-consuming. You need to first 
>> create a
> keyboard shortcut for Safari, for the "Back" command, in the preferences.
> Then, if you apply the first command above, you'll be able to delete 
> it. If you don't have a shortcut set up for the Back command before 
> running the first command above, it won't display in the Keyboard 
> Shortcut preferences, and you won't be able to delete it from the 
> preference pane. It seems like using the defaults command to set up a 
> shortcut only displays that shortcut in the preference pane if you already
have a shortcut created.
>>. 
>>  . Currently 4.17 / 5
>>  You rated: 3 / 5 (6 votes cast)
>> 
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Re: SSD external drive for Mac

[Kevin Gibbs]

Guys,
The reason I wanted SSD was because this ins a storage drive for the files of 
my latest studio CD.  Speed doesn't matter.  No moving parts should increase 
durability over the very long haul.  Drive is NTFS AND CAN't be changed, 
apparently, so must be exchanged at store.
Ideas?
Kevin
PS. Mac mini can't even see this drive.  Tried changing file system to FAT32 on 
an XP box I have.  No joy.

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Signing into iMessages with different Apple ID

[Lindsay Yazzolino]

Hi,

I recently upgraded to MOuntain Lion and am trying to sign into the Messages 
app with a different Apple ID, but cannot for the life of me figure out how to 
sign out of the other ID that I signed in with previously. I checked account 
settings in preferences, and cannot find a sign-out button. Am I missing 
something very obvious? Thanks!
Best,
Lindsay

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Re: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari

[Les Kriegler]

Ricardo,

Don't go sitting in any corners, .  Those keystrokes are great, 
especially command left and command right arrows.  They work great.  Thanks.

Les
On Aug 5, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Wow!
> 
> How on earth did I miss that?  My bad. haha. I'll go sit over here in the 
> corner now.
> 
> Some alternatives you can use are, command left/right bracket or, command 
> left/right arrow. :)
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> 
> On Aug 5, 2012, at 10:26 AM, "Bill Holton"  wrote:
> 
>> Maybe it's me who's missing something.  With ML and Safari 6, the backspace
>> key has stopped moving me back and the shift backspace key has stopped
>> moving me forward.  I have tried both with and without quick nav on.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> BILL HOLTON
>> Email:   b...@bholton.com
>> Direct:  386-624-6309
>> Homepage:www.bholton.com
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>>  DeLand, FL  32720
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
>> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:24 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari
>> 
>> Am I missing something here? I'm able to press backspace to go back a page
>> without configuring anything.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Aug 4, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Christopher-Mark gilland 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I definitely wouldn't wanna do this, as like the tip states, you then lose
>> your ability to delete inputted text, so, if I make a booboo on a web based
>> e-mail service and I'm 3 paragraphs deep, and I only have a backspace key,
>> not a full delete key on my keyboard, then, guess what, I'm screwed.  Looks
>> like Im gonna be typing the whole thing over from the top... or... did I
>> miss something?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Bill Holton
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 9:26 PM
>>> Subject: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in 
>>> Safari
>>> 
>>> Has anyone tried this?  Or is there a better way to get a better command
>> to go back in Safari..
>>> 
>>> Re-enable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari 6 
>>>  Aug 03, '12 07:30:00AM . Contributed by: philwo It 
>>> seems like Apple disabled the "Press Backspace to go back a page" feature
>> in Safari 6 due to users having complained about losing text entered in text
>> fields when they accidentally pressed the backspace key. If you liked this
>> feature, you can enable it again using this command:
>>> defaults write com.apple.Safari NSUserKeyEquivalents -dict-add Back
>> "\U232b"
>>> If you ever want to disable it, there are two possibilities. The first, if
>> you don't have any other shortcuts for Safari, is to run this command:
>>> defaults delete com.apple.Safari NSUserKeyEquivalents It will delete 
>>> all Safari keyboard shortcuts.
>>> 
>>> The second method is a bit more time-consuming. You need to first create a
>> keyboard shortcut for Safari, for the "Back" command, in the preferences.
>> Then, if you apply the first command above, you'll be able to delete it. If
>> you don't have a shortcut set up for the Back command before running the
>> first command above, it won't display in the Keyboard Shortcut preferences,
>> and you won't be able to delete it from the preference pane. It seems like
>> using the defaults command to set up a shortcut only displays that shortcut
>> in the preference pane if you already have a shortcut created.
>>>   . 
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>>> You rated: 3 / 5 (6 votes cast)
>>> 
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Re: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari

[Ricardo Walker]

Wow!

How on earth did I miss that?  My bad. haha. I'll go sit over here in the 
corner now.

Some alternatives you can use are, command left/right bracket or, command 
left/right arrow. :)

Ricardo Walker
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On Aug 5, 2012, at 10:26 AM, "Bill Holton"  wrote:

> Maybe it's me who's missing something.  With ML and Safari 6, the backspace
> key has stopped moving me back and the shift backspace key has stopped
> moving me forward.  I have tried both with and without quick nav on.
> 
> 
> 
> BILL HOLTON
> Email:b...@bholton.com
> Direct:   386-624-6309
> Homepage: www.bholton.com
> Home Office:  1520 Loughton ST
>   DeLand, FL  32720
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:24 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari
> 
> Am I missing something here? I'm able to press backspace to go back a page
> without configuring anything.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Aug 4, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Christopher-Mark gilland 
> wrote:
> 
>> I definitely wouldn't wanna do this, as like the tip states, you then lose
> your ability to delete inputted text, so, if I make a booboo on a web based
> e-mail service and I'm 3 paragraphs deep, and I only have a backspace key,
> not a full delete key on my keyboard, then, guess what, I'm screwed.  Looks
> like Im gonna be typing the whole thing over from the top... or... did I
> miss something?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Bill Holton
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 9:26 PM
>> Subject: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in 
>> Safari
>> 
>> Has anyone tried this?  Or is there a better way to get a better command
> to go back in Safari..
>> 
>> Re-enable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari 6 
>>  Aug 03, '12 07:30:00AM . Contributed by: philwo It 
>> seems like Apple disabled the "Press Backspace to go back a page" feature
> in Safari 6 due to users having complained about losing text entered in text
> fields when they accidentally pressed the backspace key. If you liked this
> feature, you can enable it again using this command:
>> defaults write com.apple.Safari NSUserKeyEquivalents -dict-add Back
> "\U232b"
>> If you ever want to disable it, there are two possibilities. The first, if
> you don't have any other shortcuts for Safari, is to run this command:
>> defaults delete com.apple.Safari NSUserKeyEquivalents It will delete 
>> all Safari keyboard shortcuts.
>> 
>> The second method is a bit more time-consuming. You need to first create a
> keyboard shortcut for Safari, for the "Back" command, in the preferences.
> Then, if you apply the first command above, you'll be able to delete it. If
> you don't have a shortcut set up for the Back command before running the
> first command above, it won't display in the Keyboard Shortcut preferences,
> and you won't be able to delete it from the preference pane. It seems like
> using the defaults command to set up a shortcut only displays that shortcut
> in the preference pane if you already have a shortcut created.
>>. 
>>  . Currently 4.17 / 5
>>  You rated: 3 / 5 (6 votes cast)
>> 
>> 
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Re: SSD external drive for Mac

[Ricardo Walker]

Or, better yet, XFAT which was designed to be used with flash storage.

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On Aug 5, 2012, at 7:02 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:

> Or, since it's only 128 gb, you could format it fat32 and then both mac and 
> windows could write to it.
> 
> Best,
> 
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> On 2012-08-05, at 6:41 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> My thoughts exactly. It sounds like the file system in use is one the
>> mac can't modify, probably ntfs. When you reformat it in disk utility,
>> remember that all the data on the drive will be completely erased.
>> 
>> On 8/5/12, chris hallsworth  wrote:
>>> Hmmm could you have not formatted it using Disk Utility and set it to use
>>> the Mac OSX file system?
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Kevin Gibbs" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 9:11 AM
>>> Subject: SSD external drive for Mac
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Guys,
>>> I had a very disappointing experience today. I bought a 128GB SSD drive,
>>> only to learn that a Mac could not write to it.  It was bad enough that I
>>> couldn't find an SSD drive with FireWire ports, but to find a drive that
>>> could only be written to buy a Windows computer?  This was absolutely
>>> unacceptable. Does anyone know of an SSD drive with FireWire ports that can
>>> 
>>> be used by a Mac?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kevin
>>> 
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Re: SSD external drive for Mac

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I know this isn't really an answer but, I don't think the small increase in 
speed gained by an external SSd is worth the premium price. For an external 
drive, I would recommend sticking with a traditional platter hard drive.

JMO.

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On Aug 5, 2012, at 4:11 AM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:

> Guys,
> I had a very disappointing experience today. I bought a 128GB SSD drive, only 
> to learn that a Mac could not write to it.  It was bad enough that I couldn't 
> find an SSD drive with FireWire ports, but to find a drive that could only be 
> written to buy a Windows computer?  This was absolutely unacceptable. Does 
> anyone know of an SSD drive with FireWire ports that can be used by a Mac?  
> Thanks,
> Kevin
> 
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Re: what scanning software is compadable with the mack?

[Brandon Misch]

docuscan costs 299 dollars. 

On Aug 5, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Chenelle Hancock  wrote:

> Hi  anne,
> 
> thanks so much for the  advice i really do appreciate it.  however, do abby 
> find reader or doc you scan cost anything and how much  would they both be to 
> purchase  if i had to get either one or the other?.
> thanks so much again for your help.
> sincerely, chenelle
> 
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RE: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari

[Bill Holton]

Maybe it's me who's missing something.  With ML and Safari 6, the backspace
key has stopped moving me back and the shift backspace key has stopped
moving me forward.  I have tried both with and without quick nav on.



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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari

Am I missing something here? I'm able to press backspace to go back a page
without configuring anything.

Ricardo Walker
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On Aug 4, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Christopher-Mark gilland 
wrote:

> I definitely wouldn't wanna do this, as like the tip states, you then lose
your ability to delete inputted text, so, if I make a booboo on a web based
e-mail service and I'm 3 paragraphs deep, and I only have a backspace key,
not a full delete key on my keyboard, then, guess what, I'm screwed.  Looks
like Im gonna be typing the whole thing over from the top... or... did I
miss something?
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Bill Holton
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 9:26 PM
> Subject: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in 
> Safari
> 
> Has anyone tried this?  Or is there a better way to get a better command
to go back in Safari..
> 
> Re-enable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari 6 
>  Aug 03, '12 07:30:00AM . Contributed by: philwo It 
> seems like Apple disabled the "Press Backspace to go back a page" feature
in Safari 6 due to users having complained about losing text entered in text
fields when they accidentally pressed the backspace key. If you liked this
feature, you can enable it again using this command:
> defaults write com.apple.Safari NSUserKeyEquivalents -dict-add Back
"\U232b"
> If you ever want to disable it, there are two possibilities. The first, if
you don't have any other shortcuts for Safari, is to run this command:
> defaults delete com.apple.Safari NSUserKeyEquivalents It will delete 
> all Safari keyboard shortcuts.
> 
> The second method is a bit more time-consuming. You need to first create a
keyboard shortcut for Safari, for the "Back" command, in the preferences.
Then, if you apply the first command above, you'll be able to delete it. If
you don't have a shortcut set up for the Back command before running the
first command above, it won't display in the Keyboard Shortcut preferences,
and you won't be able to delete it from the preference pane. It seems like
using the defaults command to set up a shortcut only displays that shortcut
in the preference pane if you already have a shortcut created.
> . 
>   . Currently 4.17 / 5
>   You rated: 3 / 5 (6 votes cast)
> 
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re: what scanning software is compadable with the mack?

[Chenelle Hancock]

Hi  anne,

thanks so much for the  advice i really do appreciate it.  however, do abby 
find reader or doc you scan cost anything and how much  would they both be to 
purchase  if i had to get either one or the other?.
 thanks so much again for your help.
sincerely, chenelle

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Re: SSD external drive for Mac

[erik burggraaf]

Or, since it's only 128 gb, you could format it fat32 and then both mac and 
windows could write to it.

Best,

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On 2012-08-05, at 6:41 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

> My thoughts exactly. It sounds like the file system in use is one the
> mac can't modify, probably ntfs. When you reformat it in disk utility,
> remember that all the data on the drive will be completely erased.
> 
> On 8/5/12, chris hallsworth  wrote:
>> Hmmm could you have not formatted it using Disk Utility and set it to use
>> the Mac OSX file system?
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kevin Gibbs" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 9:11 AM
>> Subject: SSD external drive for Mac
>> 
>> 
>> Guys,
>> I had a very disappointing experience today. I bought a 128GB SSD drive,
>> only to learn that a Mac could not write to it.  It was bad enough that I
>> couldn't find an SSD drive with FireWire ports, but to find a drive that
>> could only be written to buy a Windows computer?  This was absolutely
>> unacceptable. Does anyone know of an SSD drive with FireWire ports that can
>> 
>> be used by a Mac?
>> Thanks,
>> Kevin
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: SSD external drive for Mac

[Alex Hall]

My thoughts exactly. It sounds like the file system in use is one the
mac can't modify, probably ntfs. When you reformat it in disk utility,
remember that all the data on the drive will be completely erased.

On 8/5/12, chris hallsworth  wrote:
> Hmmm could you have not formatted it using Disk Utility and set it to use
> the Mac OSX file system?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kevin Gibbs" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 9:11 AM
> Subject: SSD external drive for Mac
>
>
> Guys,
> I had a very disappointing experience today. I bought a 128GB SSD drive,
> only to learn that a Mac could not write to it.  It was bad enough that I
> couldn't find an SSD drive with FireWire ports, but to find a drive that
> could only be written to buy a Windows computer?  This was absolutely
> unacceptable. Does anyone know of an SSD drive with FireWire ports that can
>
> be used by a Mac?
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Preview versus skim?

[Les Kriegler]

I took a look at Skim and had more difficulty accessing pdf's than I did with 
Preview, although access isn't that good in Preview either from what I've seen. 
 I think the best access to pdf documents is through Adobe Reader in Windows.  
You can arrow around in documents, jump to pages, and the overall experience is 
much better and more efficient.  JMO.

Les
On Aug 5, 2012, at 6:05 AM, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:

> Skim is no better as far as access to things like tables in PDF's, compared 
> to preview is it?  
> On 2012-08-05, at 1:16 AM, Esther  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> Skim has been referred to as "Preview on steroids".  It's free and open 
>> source with a creative commons license, and gets frequent updates.  You can 
>> download the latest version from Source Forge:
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/skim-app/files/
>> I don't know that there are any "cons" about using Skim, except that since 
>> it has a lot of options, there's more to navigate in the basic distribution, 
>> and it has more features than you will use.  The quick description is that 
>> it is laid out very much like Preview, but supports annotation, so there is 
>> a second sidebar for notes.  Because it uses the same base as Preview, any 
>> limitations that you find when reading PDFs in Preview will show up in Skim. 
>>  So, for example, bookmarks take you back to the page you were reading but 
>> not to the exact spot in the page (unless you set hotspots).  On the other 
>> hand, there are expanded features, such as being able to organize your 
>> bookmarks into folders.
>> 
>> One situation where someone might clearly want to use Skim over Preview, is 
>> if they were reviewing a PowerPoint or Keynote presentation that was 
>> exported to PDF.  These don't play nicely with Preview, even using Full 
>> Screen mode.  But Skim has an additional "Presentation mode" for viewing, 
>> and you can easily display presentations in this mode, controlling page 
>> transitions, etc.  So this is an easy and accessible way to give a 
>> text-based presentation or to review notes from the text content of a 
>> presentation.  
>> 
>> I originally started using Skim because it maintained more stable focus 
>> behavior than Preview in operations like search and find.  When there are 
>> really good Skim features eventually they get adopted and show up in later 
>> versions of Preview.
>> 
>> By the way, since Skim is supported as an open source effort at Source Forge 
>> and is freely available there and not through the Mac App Store, there's a 
>> Skim rip-off being sold in the Mac App Store as "PDF Reader".  It's based on 
>> an old version of Skim, and I'm rather surprised that Apple hasn't pulled 
>> this, since there's no support, and the distributor is just profiting from 
>> the (old version) open source efforts of Skim.  Since a number of Mac users 
>> follow Skim, and it's highly rated at various download sites like MacUpdate, 
>> a few people bought the version in the App Store when it showed up thinking 
>> that it was put out by the people who work on Skim.  It's not, and you'll 
>> just be paying for an unsupported, old version.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Aug 3, 2012, at 11:28 PM, chris hallsworth wrote:
>> 
>>> The subject says it all. What are the pros and cons please. Thanks!
>>> - Original Message - From: "Esther" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 2:43 AM
>>> Subject: Re: merging several PDF files into one.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Chris,
>>> 
>>> It's actually possible to merge PDF files with Preview if you can drag and 
>>> drop to the thumbnails in the sidebar, but I don't think this works with 
>>> VoiceOver drag and drop -- at the very least it would be difficult.  If you 
>>> have Skim downloaded there's an embedded SkimPDF command line tool that 
>>> lets you perform operations like merging and extracting PDF files in 
>>> Terminal.
>>> 
>>> If you look under: /Applications/Skim.app/Contents/SharedSupport/  there 
>>> are three applications: displayline, skimnotes, and skimpdf.  You need to 
>>> copy skimpdf to somewhere in your default path with executable permission 
>>> using your Admin password.
>>> 
>>> Open Terminal and type or paste in:
>>> sudo cp -p /Applications/Skim.app/Contents/SharedSupport/skimpdf /usr/bin/
>>> 
>>> and press "Return".  You'll be prompted to authorize with your Admin 
>>> password. The "cp -p" does the copy preserving permissions so you can 
>>> execute the commands.
>>> 
>>> Then to merge two pdf files from the command line you can type:
>>> skimpdf merge file1.pdf file2.pdf merged.pdf
>>> 
>>> The specification of an output file like "merged.pdf"  is optional.  I 
>>> think if you don't specify an output file, the second file just gets 
>>> appended to the first, but you should experiment.  You can also find out 
>>> the syntax of commands by typing:
>>> skimpdf help
>>> 
>>> For more information, take a look at the SourceForge wiki for Skim:
>>> http://source

Re: Preview versus skim?

[Dan Eickmeier]

Skim is no better as far as access to things like tables in PDF's, compared to 
preview is it?  
On 2012-08-05, at 1:16 AM, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> 
> Skim has been referred to as "Preview on steroids".  It's free and open 
> source with a creative commons license, and gets frequent updates.  You can 
> download the latest version from Source Forge:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/skim-app/files/
> I don't know that there are any "cons" about using Skim, except that since it 
> has a lot of options, there's more to navigate in the basic distribution, and 
> it has more features than you will use.  The quick description is that it is 
> laid out very much like Preview, but supports annotation, so there is a 
> second sidebar for notes.  Because it uses the same base as Preview, any 
> limitations that you find when reading PDFs in Preview will show up in Skim.  
> So, for example, bookmarks take you back to the page you were reading but not 
> to the exact spot in the page (unless you set hotspots).  On the other hand, 
> there are expanded features, such as being able to organize your bookmarks 
> into folders.
> 
> One situation where someone might clearly want to use Skim over Preview, is 
> if they were reviewing a PowerPoint or Keynote presentation that was exported 
> to PDF.  These don't play nicely with Preview, even using Full Screen mode.  
> But Skim has an additional "Presentation mode" for viewing, and you can 
> easily display presentations in this mode, controlling page transitions, etc. 
>  So this is an easy and accessible way to give a text-based presentation or 
> to review notes from the text content of a presentation.  
> 
> I originally started using Skim because it maintained more stable focus 
> behavior than Preview in operations like search and find.  When there are 
> really good Skim features eventually they get adopted and show up in later 
> versions of Preview.
> 
> By the way, since Skim is supported as an open source effort at Source Forge 
> and is freely available there and not through the Mac App Store, there's a 
> Skim rip-off being sold in the Mac App Store as "PDF Reader".  It's based on 
> an old version of Skim, and I'm rather surprised that Apple hasn't pulled 
> this, since there's no support, and the distributor is just profiting from 
> the (old version) open source efforts of Skim.  Since a number of Mac users 
> follow Skim, and it's highly rated at various download sites like MacUpdate, 
> a few people bought the version in the App Store when it showed up thinking 
> that it was put out by the people who work on Skim.  It's not, and you'll 
> just be paying for an unsupported, old version.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Aug 3, 2012, at 11:28 PM, chris hallsworth wrote:
> 
>> The subject says it all. What are the pros and cons please. Thanks!
>> - Original Message - From: "Esther" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 2:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: merging several PDF files into one.
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> It's actually possible to merge PDF files with Preview if you can drag and 
>> drop to the thumbnails in the sidebar, but I don't think this works with 
>> VoiceOver drag and drop -- at the very least it would be difficult.  If you 
>> have Skim downloaded there's an embedded SkimPDF command line tool that lets 
>> you perform operations like merging and extracting PDF files in Terminal.
>> 
>> If you look under: /Applications/Skim.app/Contents/SharedSupport/  there are 
>> three applications: displayline, skimnotes, and skimpdf.  You need to copy 
>> skimpdf to somewhere in your default path with executable permission using 
>> your Admin password.
>> 
>> Open Terminal and type or paste in:
>> sudo cp -p /Applications/Skim.app/Contents/SharedSupport/skimpdf /usr/bin/
>> 
>> and press "Return".  You'll be prompted to authorize with your Admin 
>> password. The "cp -p" does the copy preserving permissions so you can 
>> execute the commands.
>> 
>> Then to merge two pdf files from the command line you can type:
>> skimpdf merge file1.pdf file2.pdf merged.pdf
>> 
>> The specification of an output file like "merged.pdf"  is optional.  I think 
>> if you don't specify an output file, the second file just gets appended to 
>> the first, but you should experiment.  You can also find out the syntax of 
>> commands by typing:
>> skimpdf help
>> 
>> For more information, take a look at the SourceForge wiki for Skim:
>> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/skim-app/index.php?title=Main_Page
>> 
>> Then use the link for the "SkimPDF Command Line Tool" to find out more. 
>> There's also a specific SourceForge wiki for the SkimPDF command line tool:
>> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/skim-app/index.php?title=SkimPDF_Tool
>> 
>> There are probably other sources of merge tools around the web, but this 
>> works if you already have Skim anyway, and are comfortable with the Terminal 
>> command line.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>

Re: SSD external drive for Mac

[chris hallsworth]

Hmmm could you have not formatted it using Disk Utility and set it to use 
the Mac OSX file system?
- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Gibbs" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 9:11 AM
Subject: SSD external drive for Mac


Guys,
I had a very disappointing experience today. I bought a 128GB SSD drive, 
only to learn that a Mac could not write to it.  It was bad enough that I 
couldn't find an SSD drive with FireWire ports, but to find a drive that 
could only be written to buy a Windows computer?  This was absolutely 
unacceptable. Does anyone know of an SSD drive with FireWire ports that can 
be used by a Mac?

Thanks,
Kevin

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Re: Dropbox alerts driving me nuts

[Ray Foret Jr]

Most of us have; I believe, upgraded to ML.  My undersanding is that for the 
most part, most of us have received ML better than Lion.  Trust me, well worth 
the effort.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
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On Aug 5, 2012, at 4:04 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

> The way I do it under Lion - and I haven't updated to the latest dropbox yet, 
> is to find the file I wish to have a link for in my folder, press vo+shift+m 
> to activate contextual menu and arrow down to "copy link" and press 
> vo+spacebar on it. In this way the link for the file will be placed to your 
> clipboard and you can then paste it wherever you wish.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Andrew
> On 5 Aug 2012, at 02:13, Bill Holton wrote:
> 
>> Thanks much.  If I want to update dropbox to the latest version, I should 
>> just download and copy over the new  app file in my app directory?
>> Also, in Windows I can get a public link to a file in my public folder with 
>> a right click.  How is this done on the Mc version?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> On Aug 4, 2012, at 9:04 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Go to dropbox in the Extras menu and open preferences from the menu. 
>>> Uncheck "show desktop notifications."
>>> 
>>> HtH,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> On Aug 4, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi.
 How can I get Dropbox to stop putting alerts in my notification center?  
 It seems to want to put a new one there every time it copies or changes a 
 file on my mini.  I don't see it on the list of programs I can uncheck.  
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Re: Dropbox alerts driving me nuts

[Andrew Lamanche]

The way I do it under Lion - and I haven't updated to the latest dropbox yet, 
is to find the file I wish to have a link for in my folder, press vo+shift+m to 
activate contextual menu and arrow down to "copy link" and press vo+spacebar on 
it. In this way the link for the file will be placed to your clipboard and you 
can then paste it wherever you wish.

Best wishes

Andrew
On 5 Aug 2012, at 02:13, Bill Holton wrote:

> Thanks much.  If I want to update dropbox to the latest version, I should 
> just download and copy over the new  app file in my app directory?
> Also, in Windows I can get a public link to a file in my public folder with a 
> right click.  How is this done on the Mc version?
> Thanks.
> 
> On Aug 4, 2012, at 9:04 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> Go to dropbox in the Extras menu and open preferences from the menu. Uncheck 
>> "show desktop notifications."
>> 
>> HtH,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> On Aug 4, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> How can I get Dropbox to stop putting alerts in my notification center?  It 
>>> seems to want to put a new one there every time it copies or changes a file 
>>> on my mini.  I don't see it on the list of programs I can uncheck.  Any 
>>> help suggested.
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SSD external drive for Mac

[Kevin Gibbs]

Guys,
I had a very disappointing experience today. I bought a 128GB SSD drive, only 
to learn that a Mac could not write to it.  It was bad enough that I couldn't 
find an SSD drive with FireWire ports, but to find a drive that could only be 
written to buy a Windows computer?  This was absolutely unacceptable. Does 
anyone know of an SSD drive with FireWire ports that can be used by a Mac?  
Thanks,
Kevin

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Re: Preview versus skim?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Esther,

thanks for your hint. I installed Skim and it seems to be a good peace of 
software. :-)

Since the update to Mountain Lion I have trouble using Preview and I hoped to 
resolve it in Skim. Unfortunately it isn't. So you might have discovered it as 
well. When I open a pdf file a line is not a real line. It accurs that a line 
is broken in middle of a word for example like this "sh
ift". It's not correct to break a line like that and it's annoying. Did you 
also notice this issue or should it be an issue of my two machines?

Thanks for your answer and
all the best
Jürgen
Am 05.08.2012 um 07:16 schrieb Esther :

> Hi Chris,
> 
> Skim has been referred to as "Preview on steroids".  It's free and open 
> source with a creative commons license, and gets frequent updates.  You can 
> download the latest version from Source Forge:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/skim-app/files/
> I don't know that there are any "cons" about using Skim, except that since it 
> has a lot of options, there's more to navigate in the basic distribution, and 
> it has more features than you will use.  The quick description is that it is 
> laid out very much like Preview, but supports annotation, so there is a 
> second sidebar for notes.  Because it uses the same base as Preview, any 
> limitations that you find when reading PDFs in Preview will show up in Skim.  
> So, for example, bookmarks take you back to the page you were reading but not 
> to the exact spot in the page (unless you set hotspots).  On the other hand, 
> there are expanded features, such as being able to organize your bookmarks 
> into folders.
> 
> One situation where someone might clearly want to use Skim over Preview, is 
> if they were reviewing a PowerPoint or Keynote presentation that was exported 
> to PDF.  These don't play nicely with Preview, even using Full Screen mode.  
> But Skim has an additional "Presentation mode" for viewing, and you can 
> easily display presentations in this mode, controlling page transitions, etc. 
>  So this is an easy and accessible way to give a text-based presentation or 
> to review notes from the text content of a presentation.  
> 
> I originally started using Skim because it maintained more stable focus 
> behavior than Preview in operations like search and find.  When there are 
> really good Skim features eventually they get adopted and show up in later 
> versions of Preview.
> 
> By the way, since Skim is supported as an open source effort at Source Forge 
> and is freely available there and not through the Mac App Store, there's a 
> Skim rip-off being sold in the Mac App Store as "PDF Reader".  It's based on 
> an old version of Skim, and I'm rather surprised that Apple hasn't pulled 
> this, since there's no support, and the distributor is just profiting from 
> the (old version) open source efforts of Skim.  Since a number of Mac users 
> follow Skim, and it's highly rated at various download sites like MacUpdate, 
> a few people bought the version in the App Store when it showed up thinking 
> that it was put out by the people who work on Skim.  It's not, and you'll 
> just be paying for an unsupported, old version.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Aug 3, 2012, at 11:28 PM, chris hallsworth wrote:
> 
>> The subject says it all. What are the pros and cons please. Thanks!
>> - Original Message - From: "Esther" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 2:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: merging several PDF files into one.
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> It's actually possible to merge PDF files with Preview if you can drag and 
>> drop to the thumbnails in the sidebar, but I don't think this works with 
>> VoiceOver drag and drop -- at the very least it would be difficult.  If you 
>> have Skim downloaded there's an embedded SkimPDF command line tool that lets 
>> you perform operations like merging and extracting PDF files in Terminal.
>> 
>> If you look under: /Applications/Skim.app/Contents/SharedSupport/  there are 
>> three applications: displayline, skimnotes, and skimpdf.  You need to copy 
>> skimpdf to somewhere in your default path with executable permission using 
>> your Admin password.
>> 
>> Open Terminal and type or paste in:
>> sudo cp -p /Applications/Skim.app/Contents/SharedSupport/skimpdf /usr/bin/
>> 
>> and press "Return".  You'll be prompted to authorize with your Admin 
>> password. The "cp -p" does the copy preserving permissions so you can 
>> execute the commands.
>> 
>> Then to merge two pdf files from the command line you can type:
>> skimpdf merge file1.pdf file2.pdf merged.pdf
>> 
>> The specification of an output file like "merged.pdf"  is optional.  I think 
>> if you don't specify an output file, the second file just gets appended to 
>> the first, but you should experiment.  You can also find out the syntax of 
>> commands by typing:
>> skimpdf help
>> 
>> For more information, take a look at the SourceForge wiki for Skim:
>> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/sk